This Local PC Business... OUCH!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Here's what I would fix about the "Dauntless Computers" PC website.
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This video was filmed more than a month ago, and I still haven't heard back from them via email. Was hoping that, at some point, they'd at least respond with a more specific parts breakdown, but I'm not even sure this business is even "in business" at this point. Will try reaching out again soon. I'll also offer any assistance/guidance if they're open to it. Would make for a cool mini-series and would provide the business with decent exposure.
Maybe he's not working anymore? It seems the website only had i9s with up to 8 cores which means he probably hasn't been updating the website since the ryzen 3000 launch. On the upside you're probably not gonna get sued by him
this is kinda making me sad and angry :(
@Connectron Builds He probably put out a patent for the 250 - 450w variable psu and is earning millions of dollars right now.
Can't fault him, I wouldn't pass up a chance like that either.
Lol I live in Orlando. Didn’t know you did too bro🙏
Small world. There aren’t much or if any at all true competitors here for micro center or Best Buy. I buy stuff now from Best Buy often now.
@I OFFER YOU THIS he literally said Orlando
I made a new rule when shopping for anything PC related: If the seller doesn't explain exactly which type of hardware they are selling, i'm going to just assume its the lowest of the lowest end version of that hardware.
I've seen pc builders selling pc's with ' a ryzen 3600 + mobo'. Not even the chipset, so 'll assume it's the cheapest A320 they could find.
I've seen the video now, this was even worse.
That should apply for everything. Cars, computers, any part of sometjing that isnt explicitly stated is probably nothing special or even pretty bad.
It's been a while pewdiepie's sister.
Good rule. If people are being vague or using buzzwords to describe, that's usually a bad sign. To me, "450w PSU" sounds like "cheap PSU". If people use good/high quality parts in the builds they sell, they usually list the brand name and/or model, as it makes for a good selling point.
The Stock Trading PC has a mATX case and a ATX motherboard. I would like to see that built.
so funny story about incompatible hardware. I asked NCIX to build me a PC using their exclusive bitfenix "portal" case (it looks like a portal sentry) - I didn't want to fiddle with building it myself so I had the tech pick the parts, order them, build the PC and give me a call in 6-8 weeks or whatever. It was a no-rush PC I wanted to use to watch videos over the network
Anyway, the portal case is a mITX case and the tech managed to select the right motherboard, but ordered a full sized PSU instead of a SFX PSU. I didn't say anything.
Weeks later when the parts arrived I got an email saying there would be a delay bc the PSU didn't fit. You don't say?
(I picked NCIX because if I ordered from canada computers, they would have charged me for the PSU that didn't fit plus the new PSU that did fit. CanCom bad NCIX good. NCIX bankrupt though :( )
@@pgplaysvidya Canada Computers also just scrapped their price guarantee policy because of Covid - while simultaneously requiring an employee to shadow you at all times in-store... because of Covid? Checking a website for a competing price is a greater health risk than being within sneezing range of a stranger, apparently. Thank god for Memory Express.
They have a q500l
There's a pocket dimension inside the case apparently
hold the FFFF up 16gb of Corsair Vengeance 3200MHZ is 100-120$ and RX 470 4GB is used on the market now for 200-300$ right now on the market !!!!! sorry PC parts picker your not based in REALITY of the past 2.5 Years of economics or the Crypto Bullshit inflation on Parts.. and thats AMAZON AND NEWEGG
Dauntless Computers doesn't mark up prices by 200%, they mark up prices by 300%-500% !!! Always exceeding customers expectations!!!
I am impressed that even though Greg witnessed a ton of bad PC sellers, ads and prices which just outright stressed him, he still kept a really nice and healthy hairline
No one can argue with my forehead.
@@decodoe Some say it's full of hot air.
@@GregSalazar but all we know is: He's called the Stig
I think there's really something to this. I have almost 30 years of IT experience and our mom-and-pop (mostly enterprise IT, but a little bit of consumer boutique stuff) has been in business since 2006. My hairline now resembles Bruce Willis' hairline in the 80's...
@@GregSalazar feel free to give us a similar critique! Our web site leaves a lot to be desired, but we have stayed in business and profitable for all these years by taking pride in our honesty and transparency. Marketing has been a waste for us. We succeed and grow on repeat business and customer referrals: PC-Supreme.com (the exposure of a potential "mini-series" of criticism and debate might help us grow our consumer side of things)
Also id like to point out, there photos are old. The pc called "The Sentry" looks like it used to be a old FX system but since Ryzen has came out they haven't updated the pictures.
Look at the Enthusiast Series. The site is NOT that old.
@@yourpcmd I just took a look.. they want almost 2k dlls for a ryzen 5 3600, rtx 2070 build....
But more importantly, the pictures next to the "builds" are ridonculous... check out the "Enthusiast" intel build.... water cooled with some kind of weird cooling solution for the ram i guess??? but they don't say the build is water cooled... they don't say anything! just look at the pictures!
@@josejuanandrade4439 fr the website be looking like a Alienware pre built
That 2 or 4 gb thing almost sounds like they are just buy a bunch of miscellaneous RX 460 GPUs and just putting them into PCs lol.
From wish.com just to make it that little bit more spicy
those GPU's are *CLEARLY* used the RX 400 series were released in 2016 and were replaced by the RX 500 series in 2017 and AMD has released so many GPU's since the RX 460. They are *CLEARLY* buying a bunch of RX 460's regardless and reselling them in "pre-built" system's for an insane mark up in price
That was my thought, whatever they happened to have on hand when they got the order.
@@dankmeme8719 Nah the rx 400 series was hell of popular with miners I bet they bought a whole mining farm of rx 460s for pennies on the dollar.
WHO THE HELL trades stocks with 5K monitors???
😂😂😂😂😂
Most companies use CHEAP 1080p TN monitors.
Traders that want GAMING PSU’s
Traders that also want an ATX motherboard hanging out of a mATX case!
don't laugh, they are soon going to upgrade to rtx 3090.
Best way to see your stocks tanking.
I worked as a vendor on site for a certain high end memory manufacture. Ya the computers they supplied were still on hhd’s and intel 2nd gen i7s.
least expensive entry to pc gaming for $850
Me who built mine for $350: Guess it's not meant for gaming.
I've been working on the site and product line up for my pc building business in my area. The critisizm from this video really helps me to make sure my site is top notch for my area, can't wait to see mine on this channel in the future!
Just make sure to keep it up to date.
@@HappyBeezerStudios oh yeah for sure, once it's ready to go next year I'll be sure it's up to date
Oh boi, can't wait for them to try and sue you for defamation or some shit.
they can't... this is a review and the website is publicly accessible.
@@ishananaguru Exactly. But as we all know that doesn't stop people from trying if you really rustle their jimmies
@@ishananaguru guessing you're new around here. He was or almost was sued by a Craigslister.
So, I just checked archive.org to see when the relevant pages were last updated, that was sometime between 2018 and april 2019.
We should always call out the people trying scam non-tech buyers (parents, grandparents, etc.). Nice job, keep up the good work.
Your content is always honest and consumer focused. You need a gold medal.
I despise when a business tries to take advantage of average consumers who don't know about tech by overcharging.
Well ACTUALLY they ain't taking advantage because the computer comes with a 150 USD mouse and 200 USD keyboard!
I just totally like called the guy up 5 minutes ago!
No doubt they'll respond to Greg with that nonsense.
Controversial opinion but if you make a bad deal and were not lied to it's kind of your fault. You can literally look up the price of the parts.
Agreed. Business should be exposed, but consumers should also take some responsibility and blame for not caring or doing their own research before buying. So, it's not just on the business responsibility alone. But you as a consumer too. 😊
@@WhyteLis21 Yes, of course. But the worst are the dishonest sellers and business. They know well that they are doing scummy things, yet they don't care and do easiest move: take advantage of ignorant people
@@hojosconsal9913 😊👍
This is why I love you Greg! I did a video on “Flipping PC’s” and by far and away Rule #1 Be honest and don’t rip people off”. More towards what Bryan does but still the same concept. Good to see we’re working on the same moral fiber. I can’t stand people that take advantage of people. Great Video bud, keep up the great work!!!
I built my computer for $900 two years ago with an R5 2600, B450 Tomahawk, Corsair 650W bronze PSU, RX 580 8GB XFX OC GPU, 500GB Crucial NVME drive, Noctua NH-D9L cooler, Corsair Vengence LPX 3000Mhz CL15 RAM (2x8GB), and stuck it in a pretty unique duel chamber Rosewill case with tempered glass sides, LED fans, and dust filters (and I'm actually really happy with, and it was cheap).
I get having a mark-up, but they're building you what was a sub $500 computer 2 years ago and selling it to you today for $850. That's insane, especially without the ability to actually see, let alone choose, what you're getting.
hey can you look at lyte technology again. they have a custom pc builder nd have changed pricing
Their business model is, go after the people that "have no idea what they're buying".
Computer websites like Dauntless is the new Car Dealerships. There is no salesman to see because he/she is behind the scenes . They don’t have to lie to your face anymore , they now do it by slick suspect advertising tactics. Thx👍 Greg for this video because I am not a Gammer and I could have easily been fooled by the $800 price in which I might add that, you found one for much better price and even upgraded everything for a much much much lower price. Thank you and the fact that you are willing to help them shows how much honesty means to you. It’s rare to find people like you online.
The parts are vague because they gauge the customers knowledge and rip them off as they see fit
I hope everyone just avoids this business nothing but a scam.
I've talked so many people out of buying from shops, big and small. Once they heard that I could the same thing at a fraction of the cost they decided to build it themselves too or have a friend/family member who knows how to do it for them. If I saw a site like that I'd immediately avoid it like the plague. When they're that vague with the specs you know they're using the cheapest of the cheap.
Aaron’s Electronics is trying to sell “gaming rigs” for around $3,500 total loan that have Ryzen 5 3200g and RX550, two monitors (60Hz 1080p), mouse, keyboard, headphones. It was extremely depressing to see that there are actually a few reviews for them too
Back when local Pc shops were more common people thought when we sold a $1000 PC we’d make $1000. When we’d buy parts for about the same price they could. So our price might be $100 or so. Which means if a computer came in and needed support even once we were about break even.
Still today computer shops are going to pay the same price for parts as a user can. So damn you have to imagine these companies have to make something. They have staff. Employees. Have to build and support the thing. Etc.
Stop looking at the price of parts and expect to pay that.
Also like I said when I was working for a shop building computers fir people we didn’t quote the specific motherboard being used or power supply male/model. Either does any PC builder. Do you think Dell or IBM gives you every part model number?
But yes. They shouldn’t say “250-450w” and stuff like that. Other than some of those legit complaints you’re being a dick
It would actually be more like a car dealer listing the engine: standard I4-V8.
Its funny that they said they were revising everything, yet here it is, OVER a YEAR later and I'm looking at their site and everything is still the EXACT same as it was when this video came out. Right down to the crappy syntax and run on sentances.
Why do they have Kevin Spacey from the Advanced Warfare trailer on their home page?
Coz their scared of being found dead like the rest of Spacey's victims 😂
With this newfound exposure, they can expect a CaD from a Hollywood lawyer pretty soon.
What's going on with the GDI logo in your pfp? Is that lightning?
Cavey Möth Yeah. I assume it’s from a mod. I’m not sure because I just found it on google ages ago.
I had a system with an MATX fractal design focus G plus an aftermarket fan for exhaust (came with 2 front intake), 600W 80+ bronze EVGA ps, Adata 256 Gb SSD plus a Seagate 1Tb hybrid drive for mass storage, Intel Pentium G3258 8Gb DDR3 Asus Strix 750 ti 2Gb OC video card, cant remember Mb. Gave it to my friend for free to put in his bedroom where I knew it would be subjected to cat hair and dust from local construction and train tracks running next door. Probably set a value of $250 on it and it is comparable to their $850 system.
On top of everything else, who TF thought "dauntless" was a good name for the store!? 😂😆
Three days later, a Fisher Price "My first computer" gets delivered to your house. Yeeeeeeaah.
[Puts on sunglasses] YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
They're actually worth quite a bit now haha
I am wanting to get into a business into building PCs and I would never ever be like this, honesty pays more and makes customers happier.
good video, i hate when scammers pretend like they know nothing about their systems but claim they been doing computers for years.
This is a good one. If I didnt know anything about pc and specs, I would take their word that it’s a good “starter” and such not noticing they didn’t give specifics on their parts
I charge $300 to build PC's for my customers. I'm not shy about it. I show them the build sheet and cost and offer a one year no cost warranty. 🤷
"Ive been sued.....again"
Their site looks straight out of 2005. This place just seems lazy and a rip off.
Hello from Sanford, and thanks for the heads up on a crappy local vendor.
Greg tomorrow: "I am being sued again"
Haha that computer place is a few minutes away from my job 😝
Small world
are they still in business?
@Stuxnet Cabal Woah okay mate xD.
LOL, I didn't expect to see Kevin Spacey on the front page.
14:00 You forgot to include the dremel for the case.
For 850 bucks I could have build a PC that crushes that shit with ease and would have left enough for a monitor, mouse and a decent keyboard.
To extend the car analogy, it's like offering a car with 50000-150000 miles with standard engine
My main gaming pc consists of-
Ryzen 7 2700X
MSI B450 Tomahawk
250GB Nvme Drive
2Tb Hard Drive
16gigs of DDR4 3200Mhz ram
GTX 1070Ti
EVGA supernova 750W
Thermaltake V200 case
I built that for a little over $900. So the fact that they're selling that for $850 is already a tremendous rip off.
I'd love to see an update on this. Looking at their website it looks like they've taken a little of what was said onboard. Their cheapest PC is now $1200 though.
At competing PC companies you'll often see each of your upgrade options market up as much as 200%. At Dauntless Computers you don't have to worry about that, we do 400%.
TBH, making a business with selling desktop PCs is pointless these days. Because of competition. Especially with Amazon, Newegg and Microcenter.
While other sellers market the price up by 200% they go even further
I just went with a well balanced rig that was kind of cheap but also worth the money with a lot of flexibility on how you can use it.
As someone who lives in Florida who the hell is Dauntless computers😂
Cool name shifty service lol.
Built my first rig in 2015 from pcpartpicker.
More people need to use that resource
My neighbor sadly got scammed by a company like this, she paid $2500 for a am2 phenom and a gt 710 with 4gb ddr2, and this was 3 years ago. She wanted me to fix it, because the psu they used killed the gpu, cpu, and ram. I told her it's not worth repairing.
oh wow. that website is a graphical nightmare.
That's why the name was familiar. Getting parts is a problem and, as I expected to take a trip to Orlando, I was looking for places in Orlando to buy parts. This store was not one of them, but I found the website to be a comedy of errors.
Businesses like this epitomize the saying "There's a sucker born every minute". Uninformed consumers would be better served buying something from Dell or HP, or going to Microcenter or Best Buy and buying a PC from one of these sources. At least they know what they are buying.
I checked everything, ebay,amazon,newegg etc. and i can`t find that "Standard" producent.
Must be very high-end and it`s like RTX 3080 - out of stock everywhere
Ahh nothing like opening up that webpage to be shown a image of Kevin Spacey (I know he was in Call of Duty)
i like how on the 850 dollar rig the intel setup is seems to be more robust for a 850 dollar price tag compared to the amd setup
LMAO my PC I built last year cost me around the same price as the first one, and just completely destroys it. RTX 2060, 16gbs of 2400 ram, and ryzen 5 2600x. This is why I always tell people to build it themselves, and look for deals on parts. I got the 2060 for about $290 via amazon warehouse when they were still selling for around $350 new. And build for whay you plan on playing. I dont play many triple A games, so I just got ram thats not super fast, and a last gen cpu. Still runs all my games great!
I think the only reason those super basic specs are priced at $850 is because they're labelled as a collector's item for being so old and outdated.
I really envy US prices right now. Everything here has inflated prices. I tried to quote those exact parts here and it totals to $700 converted to US. At least the one that Greg made. Not the Sentry. Won't be able to without specifics.
Wow that website design is a huge mess.
i love these videos because i'm EXACTLY the kinda person these sorta sites prey on. i never really learned how PCs work so i get really frustrated and overwhelmed doing any sorta research on parts and cave into these sorta services. These videos are a really good reminder that i actually should just suck the frustration up and do at least the bare minimum research before just throwing my money down a well like this lmao
Funny how the "gaming" pc uses standard motherboards and psu's, but the stock trading specifically uses the actual "gaming" ones.
$850 for a PC with only an HDD. Dude that feel when i did a $110 PC with a 120gb SSD for booting. a 120gb SSD is very cheap nowadays. and plus windows 10 is just unbearable on an HDD.
It also says "full custom build, any parts you want". That's just not true... it's any part you want that they offer which isn't very many. lol
That font reminds me of those old tutorials with 009 sound system music running in the back titled "how to download more RAM for smoother club penguin money farming"
Great video Greg 👍. You are the Clark Kent of TH-cam, good looking on the outside and technical/nerdy on the inside.
*$850USD from PCpartpicker can get you this... (including crappy case and PSU but whatever)...*
R5-3600 (6-core CPU),
RX-5500XT 8GB video card
16GB DDR4 3200MHz,
120GB SSD,
1TB HDD
From what I see, the PC they offer for 850 is so pitiful.
Hi from Casselberry. Interesting that I have not heard of this huge builder before. Cringe worthy misleading website.
I've seen stuff like this before, where the info is vague and even a deliberate order looping 'glitch' on the website. The idea then was to get the prospective customer to call the store at which point the hard sell salesperson kicks in.
Also... the entry level gaming PC had non-descript mobo and power supplies but the 'Stock Trading' one had a Gaming mobo and Gaming power supply ???
If I ran a PC building business in as sketchy a fashion as I do in PC Building Simulator I can think of a good reason to not to be very specific about parts. Simply put, because they're cobbled together from whatever used components are left over after repairs and upgrades.
While others charge 200% extra for a custom PC, we charge 400%. And as you know MORE is always BETTER.
Xeon 4core 8thread 3.6ghz
16GB ram
120Gb SSD
1tb HDD
Gtx 1650
Aftermarket case with 4 RGB fans
650w corsair PSU
Thermal take HUUUGE air cooling tower
500 BUCKS.
Just sold friday
Refresh Computers is close by this place and has been my go-to for years :] they're always upfront about their prices and even show me the price of parts I need that they're going to order straight from their discount/manufacturer's site. Most trustworthy people ever! They do stuff for free all the time too, I don't deserve them hahaha
Wait till you see Giga Parts. Their lowest pc is 800 dollars and its advertised as a "gaming pc" THEY DON'T EVEN PUT A GPU IN IT.
I'm only just starting my IT program at my local college, and this was obvious to even me that this business was trying to cheat customers out of money as much as possible and being as vague as possible to trick people that aren't knowledgeable. I'm honestly impressed you weren't even more obviously angry, because tbh it made even my ignorant ass angry.
i mean, it's florida man. also, it's just this guy's house. guessing he built a few computers for friends and thought he could do it professionally. florida man.
Everything is marked up, but it's not marked up by 200%, so technically they didn't lie.
Big ouch with this company.
I just built my wife a SFF computer for 950$ w/ tax:
Ryzen 5 3600
GTX 970 4gb
MSI B450i w/ AC Wifi + BT
1TB NVME
850 Fully Modular PSU
16GB 3600Mhz DDR4 CL 18
120mm Fan
During price fluctuations with this pandemic!
Linus at LTT literally showed that you can get great gaming performance from a $69 pc, so $850 clearly isn't the "least expensive," not even subjectively
Im building a whole PC to help sell my rtx 2080 when I get a (good) 3080. R7 3600, quality b550m board, h510 case, 16gb of ram, 250gb m.2, 960 ssd, and 1tb HDD, 700w psu. I was gonna ask 1100 for it which seems like a steal compared to these.
Good luck. That gpu is slower than the 3060. You won't get any money for it
@@timothygibney5656 not if it doesnt exist. Those GPU arent worth anything if they aren't attainable. But I was able to sell it.
Would like to see a video of you visiting their store.
2:06 to be fair I've never read an About Us that didn't claim they were the best or largest, including ones I'd never heard of.
Yeah, I tried not to make a huge deal out of it, but a website of this caliber definitely shouldn’t make a statement like that, IMO. Comes across as crass.
Cool Video..Didnt ya catch the micro atx case with a ATX mother bord ? Did they just list it backwards/get them mixed up or wonder if they really even have a clue?? Thanks For Calling These Scammers/Scalpers/& Crooks Out On all thair BS ! !
“At competing PC companies you’ll often see each of your upgrade options marked up as much as 200%. At dauntless computers you don’t have to worry about that. Instead, we’ll mark it up way more than 200%.”
Those vague specifications mean they won't need to update the site for years.
Hmm charging $850 for a $500 system, they must be using Aussie dollars and not USD :P
My R5 1600 AF is 220.00 on amazon now its suppose to be 85.00 a R3 3100 180.00 suppose to be 99.00 R3 3300X 180.00 suppose to be 119.00 tech prices change a friend told me i don't build a computer on 1 to 3 % margins you go out of business that way so what seems expensive in a week can be cheap after all i remember 750.00 RX 580's so you do what you need to to stay in business.
If they stay vague about the specificities, it's not by accident.
What Greg doesn't know is that it wasn't an order loop. You just unknowingly ordered several different computers that are legally binding now. They got you Greg. You were just their next victim
PSA: You can pay 2$ US for a windows key on ebay. The websites specifically made to get these keys also buy them from ebay. Just go ahead and buy it from ebay for 10,20,30 dollars cheaper
I do enjoy these videos, however I still believe it's hard to measure values when you're not able access the margins. Usually a physical retailer won't be able to compete with an Amazon or Newegg online store and almost always your ROI is greater buying everything online and building it yourself - considering you won't mess up anything.
Do you believe it's possible to access the costs of running a small local business, including supplies, and comparing how would you fare against them in a video?
Am getting sick of people using the C 19 as an excuse these days. How is that effecting they replies and pricing?
All their social media sites are dead so I guess they are not in business or give a crap about anyone else lol. Great video Greg. This would be a great series, I think you should do more of them. I'm sure there are great private PC builders out there who are struggling to get their word out who deserve a decent exposure to get some business.
"I don't think the site is terrible" bruh it looks like a scam site and you couldn't even get an order through lmao
I'm so glad I had my Ryzeb 7 2700x and an MSI B450 gaming pro carbon AC for £150 on facebook marketplace, I had an FX8300 and it felt so slow compared. Plus going from ddr3 to ddr4 was awesome. Also bought a GTX 1060 6GB (pre lockdown) for £40. my system only cost me around £350 including a new Corsair 275R Airflow case and fully modular power supply and 2 SSD's and of course the RGB fans for more fps lol nah their just set to a light blue..looks amazing and works great...shop around and be patient
Yeah we were close in price if you add a monitor their 80 bucks a piece so for a streaming set up just over 720 with a 13 dollar an hour charge for labor 800 bucks
Yep, P2000 4 x Display ports - only used for 3 x 2560x1440 displayed so far, but more than good enough (probably not for gaming though). Good job sir! 👍