There are 3 choices for the last Gnosis. Choice 1: If most people's theories that Capitano is the Blood-stained Knight from Mondstadt He will end up betraying the Fatui by taking the last gnosis, since the Blood-stained Knight works for the Abyss. Changing Capitano's role to the 10th Harbinger Brighella the most cunning out of all the Harbingers. (Because in Commedia Dell'Arte Capitano is known as a liar. All his achievements was a lie.) Choice 2: Except me I still think Capitano is the Blood-soaked Berserker from Khaenri'ah. Because in one of Mika's logs he said, "Capitano has eerily dark blue eyes." If you read the Berserker Artifacts lore you'll understand how Capitano created Mare Jivari. "A fight that lasted days, months, and years." I believe he fought the Pyro Sovereign. (I want Choice 2 to happen because we will be able to see the Blood-stained Knight and the Blood-soaked Berserker fight) Choice 3: With the help of the Harbingers the Tsartisa can finally revive the Third Descender. Who I believe to be the Tsaritsa's husband. Making the Tsaritsa and the Tsar the Innamorati aka the Lovers, which will finish the whole troupe of the Commedia Dell'Arte. The Innamorati was the main stars of the show their known to not wear a mask, and their clothing is always up to the times. The Tsaritsa who is probably Isabella Ivanovna Nikolaevna, "The Trader of Flowers," or we know her as "J" aka I. Ivanovna N. from the Hexenzirkel. Who lost her husband to a "disease." I believe to be Abyssal Corruption.
The third descent can’t be the tsaritsas husband since we’re not even sure if she even wants to resurrect him or not idk why so many people believe this since she can bring him back without actually knowing them personally, but knowing that they have a chance on defeating the primordial one or more specifically Celestia
These are definitely wild and exciting theories, but two questions: 1: Why would they stray away from making archon names in accordance with the Ars Goetia demons? 2: While her title is the “Tsaritsa” (wife of the Tzar/literal translation), do you really think HoYo would make a love story? It’s never been done before with any playable character and so far, the idea of romance is dead and foreign in Genshin…
My own personal theory is that the Tsaritsa is actually a Seelie trying to bring back the Traveler from Afar that the Seelie Queen fell in love with. Some hints I think make it plausible are the lines from the Travail Trailer "She has no love left for her people nor do they have any for her. Her Followers only hope to be on her side..." Her "people" would be Seelies which have for the most part fallen, and the ones left have no memories of her or the past, and the her "Followers" then would be the people and Harbingers. I do agree that the 3rd Descender will be revived, but I don't think it will be in Natlan. I think it will AFTER Snezhnaya, because of several factors in the story that need to be resolved. Namely, the Tsaritsa's pact with Zhongli (which I think will get resolved in Natlan, possibly reviving or at least reanimating Guizhong) and the book Lisa gives to us that the Abyss says is the key to the world's secrets. That book is missing the rest of the volumes. Furthermore, I think the Tsaritsa needs help from a descender to resurrect another descender, since the descenders are not recorded in Irminsul. I also think other things that tie in to this are Venti's hidden secrets and lies, which may get exposed in his second story quest which might happen just before the Snezhnaya launch which might prompt us to turn against the archons we've helped so far (since I presume we still must destroy them or at least their seats).
@@RyuRyoka13 don’t think the tsaritsa is a seelie I mean she definitely has some connections between them but if she is a seelie then she wouldn’t be a archon Since the goddess of flowers was a seelie too and couldn’t be a archon either
@@isaiahhaley4816 The Goddess of Flowers died before Deshret did. In fact her death was the trigger for his descent into madness after learning the forbidden knowledge. When Deshret rejects the divine throne, she warns him that seeking forbidden knowledge will result in her death, and the two go about it anyway, leaving Rukka to be the lone surviving God king, and thus the Archon. The lore says nothing about a Seelie not being able to ascend to the archonhood. For what we know, the Tsaritsa is not the original cryo Archon, and she was around during the time of the Cataclysm, because that's when she cuts ties because she learns the secret.
I’ve read a theory about the 3rd Descendent being the Wanderer that married the Seelie Queen. If Paimon turns out to be her…… oh boy it’s gonna be an awkward reunion 😂😂😂😂
The way how Death works within the Tevyat is strange. When a god or powerful being dies, their essence or elemantal power lingers in the physical world, and return at some point. Similar how energy is ALWAYS changing and evolving to anothet stage. And from a dark view that's what happened to the Third Descender, their body remains were used as energy sources for the Gnosis and house the OG Dragons's elemental control.
Maybe the Third Descender is the other Twin, that before died send the other twin to a safe place and rest for 500 years, but the abyss kinda "ressurect" the other twin, making a corrupted version of it
Just had a theory/thought what if capitano is some part of the 3rd descender like what if they cut up only the divine parts of the 3rd descender and whatever that was left was tossed aside and capitano was born from it. That was explain his crazy strength.
Im not crazy but what if Lumine is the third descender bc she woke up earlier but maybe way earlier but was turned in the seven gnosis the khaenrians saw that she was extremely strong and made a puppet but lumines soul went into the puppet she became weaker and forgot everything but while traveler was asleep she remembered everything and joined the abyss but the tsaritsa wants to resurrect her bc she thinks that if she revives her body her powers will come back. PLEASE SEE ME!!!!
Maybe the twins are the younger brother and sister of the third descendant? They lost their brother and went to look for him. And the Тsaritsa is his sister or bride?
Nibelung is the 3rd descender he was the one that carried out the war of vengeance that severally wounded the usurper and made them lose their absolute authority,followed by the fact that the moment the 2nd "throne" came the war with the sovereigns was rekindled showing that nibelung came back with the power of darkness to fight the new order+as the dragon king and the ruler of the sovereigns his body should be the most compatible to hold the 7 elemental authorities all points in lore hint that none other than nibelung is the 3rd descender
It's true. It was stated somewhere that in a desperate attempt to fight the Primordial One, Nibelung went out of this world and sought the power of the abyss. But since he got too corrupted with the otherworldly power, Irminsul couldn't recognize him anymore and categorized him as a decender when he went back to Teyvat. We all know that dragons are elemental beings, Nibelung being the Dragon King would make sense for his corpse to actually resonate with every known element.
Well it’s not exactly confirmed for all we know he could be the second instead since neuvillette compares the gnosis to the traveler it’s fair to say the third descender might be a star like the traveler when talking abt the war of vengeance it also says that the one who came after the primordial one also fought the third descend notice how it says the one that came after instead of the second descender it self possibly meaning that the second throne doesn’t have a wheel that rivals the world which is why the celestial we have now doesn’t have absolute authority like neuvillette mentions in I think his character story five if I’m not mistaken which would mean that the first descender is the primary one the second descender is the dragon king the third is unknown, and the fourth is the traveler I really don’t see the third descender being the dragon king, especially since he had so much abyssal corruption if that’s true then the gnosis would be incapable with it and it would corrupt any archon with abyssal power remember that they had to use the gnosis as there authority over teyvat if it was corrupted by the abyss they wouldn’t have control over this world plus skirk says the gnosis are a kin to a gods curse and bring about misfortune and in Genshin when a god dies like orabashi or the god of salt it can effect the surrounding areas plus gnosis translates to heart of god so it could be possible the third descender is actually a god from beyond this world especially since genshin literally translates to “original god” what i think happened is that after the dragons lost and had their authority taken from them the dragon king left this world in search of power from beyond then some time later the one who came after the second throne descended upon this world after that the second came which is the dragon king who rekindled the war vengeance but lost despite there efforts
I think Capitano already knows about the 3rd Descender from Pierro. It's obvious by the fact they are trying to collect the Gnosis in the first place. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing that since you wouldn't know what you don't know. Surtologi knows, and even if the Tsaritsa might not be direct allies with him; the Harbingers are getting Delusions from someone's know how. One thing I keep coming too, is i don't think the 3rd Descender is dead at all. They are either in a deep slumber or weakened state; like Nahida, Gouba, Paimon(?), and so on. As far as we know, Descender's must be semi-immortal, since the fact regaining part of their lost constitution is even possible in the first place and they have immensely long lifespans. Personally; what would make me happy, is if they gather all the Gnosis together at the end of the Scheznaya, is one of two things: Either they use them and they empower, or simply hand them to the, Traveler and say, " these belong to you"! Because let us not forget, even if the Traveler has moments of clarity, they are not only missing power but most likely some memories. How can they be the 3rd Descender? It's much too long to get into but basically through misinformation that we've been given to exclude them; slight of hand if you will. But I think it's very plausible. Strange too, as the Traveler has yet to hold a Gnosis with their physical touch. Almost as if they ever did hold one they would clearly come to the conclusion that it belongs to them inherently? Lastly, how ironic would that be considering, with the exception of the Hydro Gnosis, they have literally been present when they were all handed over to the Harbingers, almost like both they're being mocked; as is the audience (players).
I actually have another theory on how Nahida wasn’t just a branch that Rukka snapped from a tree bc she was the purest branch, but how Nahida literally IS Ruk. I’m gonna start with this; we all know how Nahida was created, but was she really just the purest branch or something more? I think Rukka took Nahida bc she literally knew that Nahida was her. Rukka may have made some type of clone or puppet and put some of her consciousness into it, which is why Nahida doesn’t rememebr EVERYTHING but SOME things. Rukka knew that the war was gonna come one day and somehow she knew she was going to die, so she planned ahead. She made a clone of herself and as I said before, put some of her consciousness into it. Once it was time, she pulled that puppet/clone from the branch of (Irminsul I think is the tree? I’m sorry I don’t know much abt genshin still). She took Nahida, not bc she was just the “purest branch”, but bc Rukka knew that it was her. Why do you think they look exactly the same? Wouldn’t you think that a god would have done something like that if they knew they were going to die soon? She gave herself another life in a sense. She may have had some unfinished business and that was why she created the clone of herself, Nahida.
Ruhkkadahvata already confirmed that nahida was her in the new samsara since there from the same source they were bound to be the same since they’re both the avatars of irminsul we even see ruhkkadahvata herself take a branch from irminsul to create nahida btw the rest of your theory has already been answered in the archon quest and nahidas second story You just didn’t pay attention much
Let me tell u smthing the reason why rukkhadevata had to choose the most purest branch of irminsul because it was corrupted with forbidden knowledge so she had to get the purest branch as it would not make sense if she created another corrupted version of herself thats why and nabu malikata aka goddess of flowers foresaw the cataclysm and she realised that humanity won't be able to survive from it she told rukkhadevata abt the future she saw so it was gof who told her abt the cataclysm and after egeria died in tungi hollow egeria's body transformed into water of Amrita rukkhadevata sacrificed her mortal body(as she was already really weak if u have done Nahida's story quest u know the fireseed was unstable because when she was making it she was really weak hence it broke with only two uses of it) to transform her body into harvisptokhm which maintains the seal of abyssal rift that was the time when she went on a final journey and never returned.. before that she left a part of her consciousness in irminsul tells nahida to remove her from the existence to purge the forbidden knowledge completely that we see in the cutscene hope this helps:)
wait a sec what if the third descender is actually aethers sister at the beginning and the current sister (or vice versa depending on who you chose) is like some kind of trick or puppet or idk. DUN DUN DUUUUUN
Not possible the third descender died before the archon war and his remaines were used to make the gnosis that's why the war happened and the twins appeared 500 years ago and the archon war had ended thousands of years long before the abyss sibling awakening in khaneria
I'm actually leaning towards this option more and more as time goes by. The twins arrived in Teyvat a considerable amount of time before the Cataclysm, seeing as the Abyss twin had time to become the prince/ss. We really don't have a clue about how long this was, though, but it could have been thousands of years as we have no proof to the contrary! Khaenri'ah is the origin of the puppet making techniques, which makes for a convenient excuse as to why the "twin" is from Teyvat, as puppets like Scaramouche are recorded by Irminsul. Add that to the 3rd's similarities with the traveler and it becomes a very convenient explanation indeed. There are other possible candidates, though. Maybe I'll make a video about that in the future 🤔
imagine the third descender WAS the abyss sibling,,, i know it was mentioned how they werent recorded in irminsul, but the 3rd descender would be vague.., imagine the abyss saw her as an idol and recreated her or smth like that,,, that would be cool but i highly doubt it
It would mess with chronology a lot. I mean, the third descender has to be dead at the end of archon war 2000 years ago, but the Sibling is present at the Fall of Kaenri'ah, 500 years ago. Unless the sibling in Kaenri'ah is already the incompletely-resurrected one. That would explain why we couldn't beat the Sustainer.
We've known about the whole gnosis = shards part of an original one crystal thing since the new Wings came out, and since it was leaked early, that's been for quite some time. (Well someone leaked it in a comment on an article of mine without realizing it was a leak). Any time in an anime you got someone collecting N pieces of a shattered thingy you know that it's because they want to put the original thingy back together again. There's even the in-game example of the Legend of the Shattered Halbered. "Inuyasha" might be a better classic example. Or Dragon Ball Z. The idea that a gnosis doesn't have an inherent element it's aligned with is backed by (with more evidence I'd say) the idea that the gnosis for the nation is what hands out Visions within that nation, So for example the first Visions must come from the nations that first finished the Archon war and got a gnosis. Zhongli becomes Archon in 3000, and Ganyu gets her Vision in 3000. But it's not a Geo Vision. Therefore the Geo gnosis can hand out Cryo Visions centuries before the Cryo Archon exists. Meanwhile the Vision frame is based on the Archon, and when the Hydro Archon is replaced by Neuvillette, it's frame is changed from older Visions. This is expected to be true for all future Hydro Visions going forward under Neuvillette. Most likely 2nd has nothing to do with creating the gnoses. It makes no sense for them to help their enemy. The text from Neuvillette simply says "one" who came after not "the one" who came after. It's referring to the 3rd Descender who sacrifices themselves. God sacrificing themselves is so common in the game as to be the normal behavior.
I think that maybe the 3rd Descender is the REAL Sibling of the traveler. The "sustainer of heavenly principles" could possibly be some sort of 'harvester' who might possibly wait till twin stars pass by, and 'harvest' them by making them fulfill wishes to the the ppl of Teyvat. In that sense, the descender remains would inevitably be connected to the wishes of the Teyvat residents. Lumine (i mean the other sibling) basically granted the wishes of Khaenrians, "A dream yet to be dreamt", and travelled the world with Dain. She was then ready for the harvest, and stumbled upon the destroyed khaenriah, to he captured and dissected. Traveler is also walking in her footsteps, granting wishes across teyvat and is possibly destined to come across the destroyed monstadt or smth. Rhinedottir has been researching on the primordial human for a long time and there's a really good video talking bout Albedo being a failed prototype to recreate the other sibling on youtube. So what if the Lumine we've been seeing all this time is the successful or prototype creation of Rhinedottir? Maybe thats why we Irminsul has recorded her memories? Anyway, it is a very sadistic concept, traveler traveling to each nation to see his sister get snatched away (the gnosis), a recurring theme. That could also be why the Sustainer let Aether fall into a deep slumber for over 500 years, to let him out for the next harvest. This is a crazy theory ik 💀 but its possible since hoyoverse is notorious and even takes inspiration from different animes, and soul harvesters in worlds are not uncommon to the anime universe (for eg in Madoka Magica AND MANY MORE) If Paimon is the weakened Primordial One, maybe our job is to restore Paimon to her throne by toppling the usurpers (2nd who came). If thats what we do, teyvat might not NEED gnoses and return to the joyful single civilization rule. Since Primordial one was who created the seelie, they probably share characteristics, and the primordial one, like a seelie, is leading us to its "throne", nd we'll probably get some huge reward? Although its all really crazy theories just yet, and it doesn't sit right with me. The primordial one might not be Phanes and rather Nyx, (ashikai theory), kinda throws light on paimon who has a cape like the night sky? What about the moon sisters? Plus they're inevitably connected to venti which is sus, and he is sus. Looking deeper, Venti is someone who has been lying about his powers since day 1 and is weirdly connected to every questionable problems of teyvat in some way or the other. Then there's King Irmin, the ruler of the ancient civilization below fontaine, King Deshret, and the one eyed king. Thats so confusing - who are these god kings? This is also the 4th samsara, tf is that? Smth like the 4th harvest cycle? The celestial nails? Abyss? What about the dragon sovereigns? Why can't we just ask the fossil Apep millions of questions? That old hag should know NEAR EVERYTHING. Then where does Dain the BOUGHKEEPER stand, with the Nibelungen ring? And the dragon king Nibelung? What does Apep mean, he "returned"? Was his power summoned by Dain for his ring, thats why he's covered in abyss? Or is he the 2nd who came? (Wei theory) Makoto should know a kot but she's dead, or maybe she COULD be revived-? Her hypostatis in inazuma never moves, but after a quest it fought us? What about the electro dragon? Maybe Ouroboros? Where even is he 💀 Plus all the sumeru and alhaitham quest "hive-minds" Connection to the Primordial One's great plan for humanity.... What. Or maybe my theory is all wrong and Lumine is a star without power to shape a world, so vision fodder? What about vishaps and the light realm? THIS IS ALL SO COMPLEX MY BRAIN GOT FRIED NOW SO GOODBYE 😭
could this god br a dragon sovereign instead? Neuvillette mentioned at the end of the Fontaine AQ that ", Nathan is a nation of dragons" (evolved obes) Also I've noticed a pattern regarding the Archons Mondstadt / Liyue: OG members of the Seven Inazuman / Sumeru: look-alikes of the OG (Makoto's twin, Rukkhadevata's reincarnation) Fontaine: Hydro Sovereign (as of the moment) It's not impossible for Natlan to have an Archon AND a Sovereign ruling together, so what if the Tsaritsa is asking one of these twp for help? Anyways that's just me
What if the Third Descender is Revived and decides not to help the Tsaritsa? As in “I was tricked into destroying this World once before by the Dragon King, I will not fall for the same trick twice…” type of speech.
The ultimate betrayal lol. Depending on how powerful they are, doing so when in the clutches of the Fatui may or may not be possible. But then again, the enemies of my enemies are my friends, right? They probably want revenge against Celestia too.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs I don’t think that The Third ever had any personal reason to go against the Heavenly Principles to begin with, sure They turned Them into the Gnoses, however I think the Third chose to Sacrifice Themselves as repayment for the destruction they caused due to the Dragon King’s lies, this is to say The Third Descender might as well consider the Dragon King their enemy and not the Heavenly Principles.
@@EthHawke94 that's the thing, though. We don't know if the 3rd and Nibelung were ever in contact or if the 3rd ever caused any destruction to teyvat at all. We know the second throne did, but the timeline doesn't match, so I don't believe the throne is the 3rd. I did entertain the thought that the 3rd could have willingly chosen to sacrifice themselves, but the gnoses being objects of misfortune contradicts that, as it sounds a lot like the hatred gods leave behind when slain.
@@EthHawke94 Ooh that's a cool concept! Celestia could have put it in place to prevent the sovereigns from reclaiming their authority. Maybe that's why Skirk told Neuvillette specifically to get rid of it. I like that idea!
One thing I have my doubts about is would the Fatui bring the other 6 gnoses to Natlan for the ressurection, seems a little bit risky like why just not bring it to their base in Snezhnaya but who knows, with Capitano there and potentially Columbina as well maybe they have nothing to fear. Could have other memembers there as well. Natlan story has been theorized a lot lately and it feels like 'endgame' to me, but I start to wonder what would the plotline for cryo nation region be then.
Whoever the 3rd descender is, it'll probably shock us all. One thing that I am curious about those is this- if Signora had simply asked or try to negotiate with Venti to get his Gnosis, would he have been willing to give it up like the other Archons/Leaders up to this point? I am including Ei in this because she still didn't want her gnosis since she gave it to Yae Miko. Makes me wonder if she was aware of what it was exactly. I bet Zhongli was aware for sure. I still expect an epic clash in Natlan though and I hope my brain is ready for it. Heck, I am wondering what will happen when Dains's next quest will entail! Like would HE be aware of the 3rd Descender?
Let's not discount the possibility that the "Abyss Twin" is a fabrication based on what the Abyss knows of the 3rd Descender and that they may be leading the Traveler (who could quite possibly just be a homunculus clone of the 3rd Descender) around just as much as everyone else is. Everything according to plan. C:
Nibelung is the 3rd decender. If being a Dragon King isn't reason enough to resonate with every elements, I don't know what else is. From what I know so far, Nibelung went out of Teyvat and came back corrupted with abyssal power/forbidden knowledge to fight off Celestia. Since he's way beyond recognition of he's original self because of the corruption, Irminsul listed him as a decender. We're still not sure why The Tsaritsa is hell bent on bringing down Celestia and Celestia is letting her do exactly like that, If she is the 3rd Decender's lover, then why would she accept a gnosis which is a part of his remains. We're not even sure if her reason to fight Celestia is about her lover afterall. Maybe he's also a god who died during the Archon War, Maybe she was forced to kill him for the Gnosis in order to rule Shneznaya. All I know for certain is Nibelung is gonna come back thanks to her. And with the help of the other Archons, plus the other Elemental Dragon Sovereigns, Celestia stands no chance.
This is unlikely the Dragon King being the third descender makes some sense, but there’s also some other law that kind of doesn’t support it as for the tsaritsa I thought it was pretty clear why she wants to take down Celestia. They aren’t great rulers, or protectors of teyvat or at least the current Celestia aren’t great rulers I don’t know why people think that the third and the tsaritsa are lovers since it’s kind of out of the blue, and doesn’t make any sense on her character at all also the tsaritsa became the archon 500 years ago remember that she’s not a part of the original seven she’s only a successor, so her wanting to defy against the heavens may have something to do with the previous cryo archon
@@BluesLoreCrumbs Thanks, out of curiosity do you think that the 3rd decender is "Rhinedottir" , she is refered to as "A flower that is not of this world" or maybe Rhinedottir is one of the decenders?.
Of course! I wasn't excluding him at all. The thing is that Hoyo has confirmed that both twins are the cannon traveler, thus when in game text is referring to the traveler without the wording being sensitive to your chosen one, the pronouns cannot exclude either of them. Because of that, if traveler Lumine OR traveler Aether are excluded, we can conclude the text isn'r referring to the traveler at all. If the pronoun used by the gemstone was "she" I would have made the same argument for traveler Aether.
hmm... nothing against this video (it's a good theory, good video), but... why do I feel like after watching this, the 3rd Descender will not be coming back, instead? Like I feel like the thematic of "revival" in Genshin and how pyro element explained feels more close to "reincarnation" or "reborn" rather than "revival". It's also a thing we see in Neuvilette: he was reincarnated, not revived. (revived would be like Apep, instead. But even then the current Apep doesn't exactly work the same way as the one who swallowed Deshret's corpse, so... is that even revival, then?) Hmm....
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There are 3 choices for the last Gnosis.
Choice 1:
If most people's theories that Capitano is the Blood-stained Knight from Mondstadt
He will end up betraying the Fatui by taking the last gnosis, since the Blood-stained Knight works for the Abyss.
Changing Capitano's role to the 10th Harbinger Brighella the most cunning out of all the Harbingers.
(Because in Commedia Dell'Arte Capitano is known as a liar. All his achievements was a lie.)
Choice 2:
Except me I still think Capitano is the Blood-soaked Berserker from Khaenri'ah.
Because in one of Mika's logs he said, "Capitano has eerily dark blue eyes."
If you read the Berserker Artifacts lore you'll understand how Capitano created Mare Jivari.
"A fight that lasted days, months, and years." I believe he fought the Pyro Sovereign.
(I want Choice 2 to happen because we will be able to see the Blood-stained Knight and the Blood-soaked Berserker fight)
Choice 3:
With the help of the Harbingers the Tsartisa can finally revive the Third Descender. Who I believe to be the Tsaritsa's husband.
Making the Tsaritsa and the Tsar the Innamorati aka the Lovers, which will finish the whole troupe of the Commedia Dell'Arte.
The Innamorati was the main stars of the show their known to not wear a mask, and their clothing is always up to the times.
The Tsaritsa who is probably Isabella Ivanovna Nikolaevna, "The Trader of Flowers," or we know her as "J" aka I. Ivanovna N. from the Hexenzirkel.
Who lost her husband to a "disease." I believe to be Abyssal Corruption.
The third descent can’t be the tsaritsas husband since we’re not even sure if she even wants to resurrect him or not idk why so many people believe this since she can bring him back without actually knowing them personally, but knowing that they have a chance on defeating the primordial one or more specifically Celestia
These are definitely wild and exciting theories, but two questions:
1: Why would they stray away from making archon names in accordance with the Ars Goetia demons?
2: While her title is the “Tsaritsa” (wife of the Tzar/literal translation), do you really think HoYo would make a love story? It’s never been done before with any playable character and so far, the idea of romance is dead and foreign in Genshin…
My own personal theory is that the Tsaritsa is actually a Seelie trying to bring back the Traveler from Afar that the Seelie Queen fell in love with. Some hints I think make it plausible are the lines from the Travail Trailer "She has no love left for her people nor do they have any for her. Her Followers only hope to be on her side..." Her "people" would be Seelies which have for the most part fallen, and the ones left have no memories of her or the past, and the her "Followers" then would be the people and Harbingers.
I do agree that the 3rd Descender will be revived, but I don't think it will be in Natlan. I think it will AFTER Snezhnaya, because of several factors in the story that need to be resolved. Namely, the Tsaritsa's pact with Zhongli (which I think will get resolved in Natlan, possibly reviving or at least reanimating Guizhong) and the book Lisa gives to us that the Abyss says is the key to the world's secrets. That book is missing the rest of the volumes. Furthermore, I think the Tsaritsa needs help from a descender to resurrect another descender, since the descenders are not recorded in Irminsul.
I also think other things that tie in to this are Venti's hidden secrets and lies, which may get exposed in his second story quest which might happen just before the Snezhnaya launch which might prompt us to turn against the archons we've helped so far (since I presume we still must destroy them or at least their seats).
@@RyuRyoka13 don’t think the tsaritsa is a seelie I mean she definitely has some connections between them but if she is a seelie then she wouldn’t be a archon Since the goddess of flowers was a seelie too and couldn’t be a archon either
@@isaiahhaley4816 The Goddess of Flowers died before Deshret did. In fact her death was the trigger for his descent into madness after learning the forbidden knowledge. When Deshret rejects the divine throne, she warns him that seeking forbidden knowledge will result in her death, and the two go about it anyway, leaving Rukka to be the lone surviving God king, and thus the Archon. The lore says nothing about a Seelie not being able to ascend to the archonhood. For what we know, the Tsaritsa is not the original cryo Archon, and she was around during the time of the Cataclysm, because that's when she cuts ties because she learns the secret.
I’ve read a theory about the 3rd Descendent being the Wanderer that married the Seelie Queen. If Paimon turns out to be her…… oh boy it’s gonna be an awkward reunion 😂😂😂😂
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But wanderer is made by ei, no?
@@Primarycolours-Not that wanderer, the guy who married the seelie queen was considered a traveler, it was thousands of years ago
The way how Death works within the Tevyat is strange. When a god or powerful being dies, their essence or elemantal power lingers in the physical world, and return at some point. Similar how energy is ALWAYS changing and evolving to anothet stage.
And from a dark view that's what happened to the Third Descender, their body remains were used as energy sources for the Gnosis and house the OG Dragons's elemental control.
Maybe the Third Descender is the other Twin, that before died send the other twin to a safe place and rest for 500 years, but the abyss kinda "ressurect" the other twin, making a corrupted version of it
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That makes me so happy to hear! (｡>\\
@@BluesLoreCrumbs It certainly gave me some giggles at some parts, so definitely enjoyed it. 😊🥳
Just had a theory/thought what if capitano is some part of the 3rd descender like what if they cut up only the divine parts of the 3rd descender and whatever that was left was tossed aside and capitano was born from it. That was explain his crazy strength.
Im not crazy but what if Lumine is the third descender bc she woke up earlier but maybe way earlier but was turned in the seven gnosis the khaenrians saw that she was extremely strong and made a puppet but lumines soul went into the puppet she became weaker and forgot everything but while traveler was asleep she remembered everything and joined the abyss but the tsaritsa wants to resurrect her bc she thinks that if she revives her body her powers will come back.
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Maybe the twins are the younger brother and sister of the third descendant? They lost their brother and went to look for him. And the Тsaritsa is his sister or bride?
Nah but their homeland got destroyed to ashes
@@Pre4xes_ We don't know where their real homeland is. They saw stars being born and dying. We also know that twins do not belong to this world
Nibelung is the 3rd descender he was the one that carried out the war of vengeance that severally wounded the usurper and made them lose their absolute authority,followed by the fact that the moment the 2nd "throne" came the war with the sovereigns was rekindled showing that nibelung came back with the power of darkness to fight the new order+as the dragon king and the ruler of the sovereigns his body should be the most compatible to hold the 7 elemental authorities all points in lore hint that none other than nibelung is the 3rd descender
It's true. It was stated somewhere that in a desperate attempt to fight the Primordial One, Nibelung went out of this world and sought the power of the abyss. But since he got too corrupted with the otherworldly power, Irminsul couldn't recognize him anymore and categorized him as a decender when he went back to Teyvat. We all know that dragons are elemental beings, Nibelung being the Dragon King would make sense for his corpse to actually resonate with every known element.
Well it’s not exactly confirmed for all we know he could be the second instead since neuvillette compares the gnosis to the traveler it’s fair to say the third descender might be a star like the traveler when talking abt the war of vengeance it also says that the one who came after the primordial one also fought the third descend notice how it says the one that came after instead of the second descender it self possibly meaning that the second throne doesn’t have a wheel that rivals the world which is why the celestial we have now doesn’t have absolute authority like neuvillette mentions in I think his character story five if I’m not mistaken which would mean that the first descender is the primary one the second descender is the dragon king the third is unknown, and the fourth is the traveler I really don’t see the third descender being the dragon king, especially since he had so much abyssal corruption if that’s true then the gnosis would be incapable with it and it would corrupt any archon with abyssal power remember that they had to use the gnosis as there authority over teyvat if it was corrupted by the abyss they wouldn’t have control over this world plus skirk says the gnosis are a kin to a gods curse and bring about misfortune and in Genshin when a god dies like orabashi or the god of salt it can effect the surrounding areas plus gnosis translates to heart of god so it could be possible the third descender is actually a god from beyond this world especially since genshin literally translates to “original god” what i think happened is that after the dragons lost and had their authority taken from them the dragon king left this world in search of power from beyond then some time later the one who came after the second throne descended upon this world after that the second came which is the dragon king who rekindled the war vengeance but lost despite there efforts
i love how genshin has managed to keep a lot of secrets to unveil even up to this point. It is mind boggling really.
They may have overdone the secretiveness, to the point it feels unnatural. But the results are impressive.
@kotarouinugami1745 yeah i wish they spill a bit more. Thats going to get the lore interested players go insane lol.
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4:13 i miss her, she made me smile many times. I wonder how they will wait for us in snezhnaya ❄
I think Capitano already knows about the 3rd Descender from Pierro. It's obvious by the fact they are trying to collect the Gnosis in the first place. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing that since you wouldn't know what you don't know. Surtologi knows, and even if the Tsaritsa might not be direct allies with him; the Harbingers are getting Delusions from someone's know how.
One thing I keep coming too, is i don't think the 3rd Descender is dead at all. They are either in a deep slumber or weakened state; like Nahida, Gouba, Paimon(?), and so on. As far as we know, Descender's must be semi-immortal, since the fact regaining part of their lost constitution is even possible in the first place and they have immensely long lifespans.
Personally; what would make me happy, is if they gather all the Gnosis together at the end of the Scheznaya, is one of two things: Either they use them and they empower, or simply hand them to the, Traveler and say, " these belong to you"!
Because let us not forget, even if the Traveler has moments of clarity, they are not only missing power but most likely some memories. How can they be the 3rd Descender? It's much too long to get into but basically through misinformation that we've been given to exclude them; slight of hand if you will. But I think it's very plausible. Strange too, as the Traveler has yet to hold a Gnosis with their physical touch. Almost as if they ever did hold one they would clearly come to the conclusion that it belongs to them inherently? Lastly, how ironic would that be considering, with the exception of the Hydro Gnosis, they have literally been present when they were all handed over to the Harbingers, almost like both they're being mocked; as is the audience (players).
I actually have another theory on how Nahida wasn’t just a branch that Rukka snapped from a tree bc she was the purest branch, but how Nahida literally IS Ruk. I’m gonna start with this; we all know how Nahida was created, but was she really just the purest branch or something more? I think Rukka took Nahida bc she literally knew that Nahida was her. Rukka may have made some type of clone or puppet and put some of her consciousness into it, which is why Nahida doesn’t rememebr EVERYTHING but SOME things. Rukka knew that the war was gonna come one day and somehow she knew she was going to die, so she planned ahead. She made a clone of herself and as I said before, put some of her consciousness into it. Once it was time, she pulled that puppet/clone from the branch of (Irminsul I think is the tree? I’m sorry I don’t know much abt genshin still). She took Nahida, not bc she was just the “purest branch”, but bc Rukka knew that it was her. Why do you think they look exactly the same? Wouldn’t you think that a god would have done something like that if they knew they were going to die soon? She gave herself another life in a sense. She may have had some unfinished business and that was why she created the clone of herself, Nahida.
Ruhkkadahvata already confirmed that nahida was her in the new samsara since there from the same source they were bound to be the same since they’re both the avatars of irminsul we even see ruhkkadahvata herself take a branch from irminsul to create nahida btw the rest of your theory has already been answered in the archon quest and nahidas second story You just didn’t pay attention much
@@isaiahhaley4816I don’t know a lot abt genshin so sorry
@@Faishgly it’s ok honest mistake
Let me tell u smthing the reason why rukkhadevata had to choose the most purest branch of irminsul because it was corrupted with forbidden knowledge so she had to get the purest branch as it would not make sense if she created another corrupted version of herself thats why and nabu malikata aka goddess of flowers foresaw the cataclysm and she realised that humanity won't be able to survive from it she told rukkhadevata abt the future she saw so it was gof who told her abt the cataclysm and after egeria died in tungi hollow egeria's body transformed into water of Amrita rukkhadevata sacrificed her mortal body(as she was already really weak if u have done Nahida's story quest u know the fireseed was unstable because when she was making it she was really weak hence it broke with only two uses of it) to transform her body into harvisptokhm which maintains the seal of abyssal rift that was the time when she went on a final journey and never returned.. before that she left a part of her consciousness in irminsul tells nahida to remove her from the existence to purge the forbidden knowledge completely that we see in the cutscene hope this helps:)
@@riyamehta7960 I knew about the other things, but the additional stuff I didn’t know it’s actually really interesting how nabu foresaw the calamity
wait a sec what if the third descender is actually aethers sister at the beginning and the current sister (or vice versa depending on who you chose) is like some kind of trick or puppet or idk. DUN DUN DUUUUUN
Ooh that’s a good one 😮
Not possible the third descender died before the archon war and his remaines were used to make the gnosis that's why the war happened and the twins appeared 500 years ago and the archon war had ended thousands of years long before the abyss sibling awakening in khaneria
@@einsofjehohazabraham5957 I thought the twins appeared earlier, and 500 years ago they tried to escape from this place
@@olgazzz458perhaps a century or so earlier, but not Archon War earlier.
I'm actually leaning towards this option more and more as time goes by. The twins arrived in Teyvat a considerable amount of time before the Cataclysm, seeing as the Abyss twin had time to become the prince/ss. We really don't have a clue about how long this was, though, but it could have been thousands of years as we have no proof to the contrary!
Khaenri'ah is the origin of the puppet making techniques, which makes for a convenient excuse as to why the "twin" is from Teyvat, as puppets like Scaramouche are recorded by Irminsul. Add that to the 3rd's similarities with the traveler and it becomes a very convenient explanation indeed.
There are other possible candidates, though. Maybe I'll make a video about that in the future 🤔
imagine the third descender WAS the abyss sibling,,, i know it was mentioned how they werent recorded in irminsul, but the 3rd descender would be vague.., imagine the abyss saw her as an idol and recreated her or smth like that,,, that would be cool but i highly doubt it
It would mess with chronology a lot. I mean, the third descender has to be dead at the end of archon war 2000 years ago, but the Sibling is present at the Fall of Kaenri'ah, 500 years ago.
Unless the sibling in Kaenri'ah is already the incompletely-resurrected one. That would explain why we couldn't beat the Sustainer.
We've known about the whole gnosis = shards part of an original one crystal thing since the new Wings came out, and since it was leaked early, that's been for quite some time. (Well someone leaked it in a comment on an article of mine without realizing it was a leak).
Any time in an anime you got someone collecting N pieces of a shattered thingy you know that it's because they want to put the original thingy back together again. There's even the in-game example of the Legend of the Shattered Halbered.
"Inuyasha" might be a better classic example. Or Dragon Ball Z.
The idea that a gnosis doesn't have an inherent element it's aligned with is backed by (with more evidence I'd say) the idea that the gnosis for the nation is what hands out Visions within that nation, So for example the first Visions must come from the nations that first finished the Archon war and got a gnosis. Zhongli becomes Archon in 3000, and Ganyu gets her Vision in 3000. But it's not a Geo Vision. Therefore the Geo gnosis can hand out Cryo Visions centuries before the Cryo Archon exists. Meanwhile the Vision frame is based on the Archon, and when the Hydro Archon is replaced by Neuvillette, it's frame is changed from older Visions. This is expected to be true for all future Hydro Visions going forward under Neuvillette.
Most likely 2nd has nothing to do with creating the gnoses. It makes no sense for them to help their enemy. The text from Neuvillette simply says "one" who came after not "the one" who came after. It's referring to the 3rd Descender who sacrifices themselves. God sacrificing themselves is so common in the game as to be the normal behavior.
1:27 what is this slander of the PRIMORIDIAL ONE a PROGENITOR GOD hailing from beyond the stars
I think that maybe the 3rd Descender is the REAL Sibling of the traveler. The "sustainer of heavenly principles" could possibly be some sort of 'harvester' who might possibly wait till twin stars pass by, and 'harvest' them by making them fulfill wishes to the the ppl of Teyvat. In that sense, the descender remains would inevitably be connected to the wishes of the Teyvat residents.
Lumine (i mean the other sibling) basically granted the wishes of Khaenrians, "A dream yet to be dreamt", and travelled the world with Dain. She was then ready for the harvest, and stumbled upon the destroyed khaenriah, to he captured and dissected.
Traveler is also walking in her footsteps, granting wishes across teyvat and is possibly destined to come across the destroyed monstadt or smth.
Rhinedottir has been researching on the primordial human for a long time and there's a really good video talking bout Albedo being a failed prototype to recreate the other sibling on youtube. So what if the Lumine we've been seeing all this time is the successful or prototype creation of Rhinedottir? Maybe thats why we Irminsul has recorded her memories?
Anyway, it is a very sadistic concept, traveler traveling to each nation to see his sister get snatched away (the gnosis), a recurring theme.
That could also be why the Sustainer let Aether fall into a deep slumber for over 500 years, to let him out for the next harvest.
This is a crazy theory ik 💀 but its possible since hoyoverse is notorious and even takes inspiration from different animes, and soul harvesters in worlds are not uncommon to the anime universe (for eg in Madoka Magica AND MANY MORE)
If Paimon is the weakened Primordial One, maybe our job is to restore Paimon to her throne by toppling the usurpers (2nd who came). If thats what we do, teyvat might not NEED gnoses and return to the joyful single civilization rule. Since Primordial one was who created the seelie, they probably share characteristics, and the primordial one, like a seelie, is leading us to its "throne", nd we'll probably get some huge reward?
Although its all really crazy theories just yet, and it doesn't sit right with me. The primordial one might not be Phanes and rather Nyx, (ashikai theory), kinda throws light on paimon who has a cape like the night sky?
What about the moon sisters? Plus they're inevitably connected to venti which is sus, and he is sus. Looking deeper, Venti is someone who has been lying about his powers since day 1 and is weirdly connected to every questionable problems of teyvat in some way or the other.
Then there's King Irmin, the ruler of the ancient civilization below fontaine, King Deshret, and the one eyed king. Thats so confusing - who are these god kings?
This is also the 4th samsara, tf is that? Smth like the 4th harvest cycle?
The celestial nails? Abyss?
What about the dragon sovereigns? Why can't we just ask the fossil Apep millions of questions? That old hag should know NEAR EVERYTHING.
Then where does Dain the BOUGHKEEPER stand, with the Nibelungen ring? And the dragon king Nibelung? What does Apep mean, he "returned"? Was his power summoned by Dain for his ring, thats why he's covered in abyss? Or is he the 2nd who came? (Wei theory)
Makoto should know a kot but she's dead, or maybe she COULD be revived-? Her hypostatis in inazuma never moves, but after a quest it fought us?
What about the electro dragon? Maybe Ouroboros? Where even is he 💀
Plus all the sumeru and alhaitham quest "hive-minds" Connection to the Primordial One's great plan for humanity.... What.
Or maybe my theory is all wrong and Lumine is a star without power to shape a world, so vision fodder?
What about vishaps and the light realm?
THIS IS ALL SO COMPLEX MY BRAIN GOT FRIED NOW SO GOODBYE 😭
rukadevata said that its the 4th samsara + traveler is 4th decender sooo
could this god br a dragon sovereign instead? Neuvillette mentioned at the end of the Fontaine AQ that ", Nathan is a nation of dragons" (evolved obes)
Also I've noticed a pattern regarding the Archons
Mondstadt / Liyue: OG members of the Seven
Inazuman / Sumeru: look-alikes of the OG (Makoto's twin, Rukkhadevata's reincarnation)
Fontaine: Hydro Sovereign (as of the moment)
It's not impossible for Natlan to have an Archon AND a Sovereign ruling together, so what if the Tsaritsa is asking one of these twp for help?
Anyways that's just me
The day people realized that childe is the third descender, the day i die in peace
What if the Third Descender is Revived and decides not to help the Tsaritsa? As in “I was tricked into destroying this World once before by the Dragon King, I will not fall for the same trick twice…” type of speech.
The ultimate betrayal lol. Depending on how powerful they are, doing so when in the clutches of the Fatui may or may not be possible. But then again, the enemies of my enemies are my friends, right? They probably want revenge against Celestia too.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs I don’t think that The Third ever had any personal reason to go against the Heavenly Principles to begin with, sure They turned Them into the Gnoses, however I think the Third chose to Sacrifice Themselves as repayment for the destruction they caused due to the Dragon King’s lies, this is to say The Third Descender might as well consider the Dragon King their enemy and not the Heavenly Principles.
@@EthHawke94 that's the thing, though. We don't know if the 3rd and Nibelung were ever in contact or if the 3rd ever caused any destruction to teyvat at all. We know the second throne did, but the timeline doesn't match, so I don't believe the throne is the 3rd. I did entertain the thought that the 3rd could have willingly chosen to sacrifice themselves, but the gnoses being objects of misfortune contradicts that, as it sounds a lot like the hatred gods leave behind when slain.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs I see the Misfortune aspect as a form of Anti-Tampering system.
@@EthHawke94 Ooh that's a cool concept! Celestia could have put it in place to prevent the sovereigns from reclaiming their authority. Maybe that's why Skirk told Neuvillette specifically to get rid of it. I like that idea!
I think the 3rd decender is the dragon king. since skirk litteraly said "authority of primordial dragons"
Why did i get goosebumps? Good theory NGL
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Imagine the 3rd descender is related to the traveler, like their mother or father.
when did the Narsizzenkreuz quest line ever mentioned about Teyvat being a dream/simulation?
One thing I have my doubts about is would the Fatui bring the other 6 gnoses to Natlan for the ressurection, seems a little bit risky like why just not bring it to their base in Snezhnaya but who knows, with Capitano there and potentially Columbina as well maybe they have nothing to fear. Could have other memembers there as well. Natlan story has been theorized a lot lately and it feels like 'endgame' to me, but I start to wonder what would the plotline for cryo nation region be then.
Whoever the 3rd descender is, it'll probably shock us all. One thing that I am curious about those is this- if Signora had simply asked or try to negotiate with Venti to get his Gnosis, would he have been willing to give it up like the other Archons/Leaders up to this point? I am including Ei in this because she still didn't want her gnosis since she gave it to Yae Miko. Makes me wonder if she was aware of what it was exactly. I bet Zhongli was aware for sure.
I still expect an epic clash in Natlan though and I hope my brain is ready for it. Heck, I am wondering what will happen when Dains's next quest will entail! Like would HE be aware of the 3rd Descender?
The 3rd defender is Traveler it is said in the Fontaine Archon quest the 4th descender is the one that will be resurrected, I presume
So 3rd decender is like zarg on YuGiOh
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What if vanessa is the 3rd decender that needs to be reborn she has dragon attribute
Those who are familiar with Legends of Zelda Breath of the Wild... Which, basically, was Genshin's inspiration: 🌚🌚😹
I'm not at all convinced that the 3rd descender is dead. I think it could easily be a Furina/Focalors situation. It may even be Dain.
Let's not discount the possibility that the "Abyss Twin" is a fabrication based on what the Abyss knows of the 3rd Descender and that they may be leading the Traveler (who could quite possibly just be a homunculus clone of the 3rd Descender) around just as much as everyone else is. Everything according to plan. C:
双子は 3 番目の下降者で、それが起こるのを見たらショックを受けるでしょう。
I’ve watched some other theories about BURNING the IRMINSUL... any ideas?
Nibelung is the 3rd decender. If being a Dragon King isn't reason enough to resonate with every elements, I don't know what else is. From what I know so far, Nibelung went out of Teyvat and came back corrupted with abyssal power/forbidden knowledge to fight off Celestia. Since he's way beyond recognition of he's original self because of the corruption, Irminsul listed him as a decender.
We're still not sure why The Tsaritsa is hell bent on bringing down Celestia and Celestia is letting her do exactly like that,
If she is the 3rd Decender's lover, then why would she accept a gnosis which is a part of his remains.
We're not even sure if her reason to fight Celestia is about her lover afterall. Maybe he's also a god who died during the Archon War, Maybe she was forced to kill him for the Gnosis in order to rule Shneznaya.
All I know for certain is Nibelung is gonna come back thanks to her. And with the help of the other Archons, plus the other Elemental Dragon Sovereigns, Celestia stands no chance.
This is unlikely the Dragon King being the third descender makes some sense, but there’s also some other law that kind of doesn’t support it as for the tsaritsa I thought it was pretty clear why she wants to take down Celestia. They aren’t great rulers, or protectors of teyvat or at least the current Celestia aren’t great rulers I don’t know why people think that the third and the tsaritsa are lovers since it’s kind of out of the blue, and doesn’t make any sense on her character at all also the tsaritsa became the archon 500 years ago remember that she’s not a part of the original seven she’s only a successor, so her wanting to defy against the heavens may have something to do with the previous cryo archon
I'm alrdy dead on the 4th descender
Oi? Why are you dead? Should I call an ambulance??
Third decener is lumine and ather mom
Wasn't the Hydro Gnosis destroyed? meaning the will never be enough gnosis to collect
What was destroyed was the hydro overseer/throne in Celestia. The gnosis is still intact and Neuvillette willingly gave it to the Knave.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs Thanks, out of curiosity do you think that the 3rd decender is "Rhinedottir" , she is refered to as "A flower that is not of this world" or maybe Rhinedottir is one of the decenders?.
what if the 3rd is paimon , she was with the traveler all the time
*coughs* the traveler could also be Aether. *coughs*
Of course! I wasn't excluding him at all. The thing is that Hoyo has confirmed that both twins are the cannon traveler, thus when in game text is referring to the traveler without the wording being sensitive to your chosen one, the pronouns cannot exclude either of them. Because of that, if traveler Lumine OR traveler Aether are excluded, we can conclude the text isn'r referring to the traveler at all. If the pronoun used by the gemstone was "she" I would have made the same argument for traveler Aether.
hmm... nothing against this video (it's a good theory, good video), but... why do I feel like after watching this, the 3rd Descender will not be coming back, instead?
Like I feel like the thematic of "revival" in Genshin and how pyro element explained feels more close to "reincarnation" or "reborn" rather than "revival". It's also a thing we see in Neuvilette: he was reincarnated, not revived. (revived would be like Apep, instead. But even then the current Apep doesn't exactly work the same way as the one who swallowed Deshret's corpse, so... is that even revival, then?)
Hmm....