I’m an atheist and I’ve loved AxP for over a decade now. Therefore, I hope you’ll accept some feedback. SR and JMike, you really need to communicate your thoughts more efficiently. Both of you tend to ramble and it’s very frustrating as a viewer. Try to get to the point more quickly, because this really isn’t working.
I subscribe to this. The points are good, but they take so long that they lose much of their effectiveness. And it makes the conversation very one sided with the hosts doing most of the talking.
Jeff is a perfect example of how pastors prime their congregations to accept claims without validation, and to react combatively when atheists don't just agree with their non-arguements right away. Normally I'd say,l he was looking for a fight, but I believe Prophet of Zod when he shows how churches set them up for failure when having conversations with atheists.
Yeah, he comes in with the certainty that he's correct and immediately becomes combative and plays the victim when they simply ask for clarification on the claims he was making. He thought he could just come in and preach without pushback but couldn't handle being stopped and asked simple questions.
Ali, I might never have heard a more obvious case of a caller just turning off his brain every time a host is speaking, just watching the clock and waiting for the host to shut up so you can say the next thing on your list of things to say REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOST IS SAYING because you're not listening anyway. That's not a conversation. That's just you blathering your thoughts at two people who wanted to talk WITH you but couldn't do that because you ignored every word they said. You should be embarrassed.
Indeed and it stated right from the get-go. Ali: “Can you prove you exist” Hosts: *Both give articulate answers to the question and the issues arising from this. Ali: Can you prove you exist.” Everyone: 🤦🏻♂️
Jeff: "I floated above my body and I know god exists so I'm here to prove it". Jmike: "Can you give us a methadology for how we can know you're correct?" Jeff: "if you wanna try to be a Christian you gotta change your heart, you can't just try to prove sentences wrong!" Hell of a methadology there, Jeff. So we have to first...want to be a Christian.. And second....not try to prove it wrong. Well heck why didnt ya just say so Jeff!? We can believe anything like that!
I need Jeff's contact information, I have stuff to sell him, he just has to open his heart and stop questioning the quality and origin of my products...
@@MWVercingetorix Exactly! From which it is easy to conclude that the whole thing was set in place by an all powerful g0d because he really wanted to kill those babies.
@@petermeichan3160 Of course it never happened. The story itself completely disproves the existence of the tri-omni g0d that killed the first born and I will never pass up any opportunity to highlight that nonsense to the ones who are so desperate to believe that the tribal war g0d of Abraham is real that they will happily be apologists for crimes against humanity.
SR's default move is to just jump into an analogy regardless of whether it's actually necessary. He's constantly interrupting Jmike or just reiterating and taking twice as long to do so. The whole call with Ali was infuriating to listen to. Ali doesn't have great listening skills, but at the same time, it's not a fair thing to ask someone to repeat an explanation that was made 10 minutes ago meanwhile SR has been talking your ear off.
*_B-b-but_* ... the Bible claims (in Romans 2 : 11) that Yahweh doesn't show favoritism. So why would He be promising anything to any one group of people let alone two?
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable Your response was such an obvious foul that I'm not even adjusting my stance to scratch my balls over it. You *cannot* be for real.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppableOh god, this stupid shit again. The lack of something is not a type of that thing. So atheism doesn’t provide a basis for religion. It’s basically just a reaction to religious propaganda. BTW, why all the needlessly gruesome details? Did u just watch Passion of the Christ or some other slaughter film?
The abrahamic god had no chill when it thought "death by bear mauling" was a good punishment for the children in 2 kings. Imagine if we just had bears sitting to the side in juvenile courts, waiting.
My favorite Bible story is the one where the Apostles take a shit on a man named Thomas. Doubting Thomas they called him. He was given that offensive nickname because he was skeptical about a dude rising from the dead. He should be known as Reasonable Thomas! Maybe start his own church, the Church of Rational Thinking.
Yeah.. the other apostles told Thomas they had seen the risen Jesus but he refused to believe them unless he too could see the risen Jesus for himself. Roll forward two thousand years and doubting atheists who ask for a similar standard of evidence that was given to Thomas are labelled unreasonable by those who are prepared to believe any kind of bullshit they get told by a man in a frock.
jeff can not follow the conversation and the questions asked about the truth of his personal experience regarding his deity and any examination of it. his mind is blocked from questioning which is part of the defense mechanism his religion imposes on him.
He gets all pissy about them asking a clarifying question, right after they’d clearly explained why clarification is often needed… and especially due to his sloppy and ambiguous communication style.
Jeff is not ready for a conversation among grownups. The best he could do is quote a Bible verse that in no way even began to address what he was being asked. A Bible verse that is completely contradicted elsewhere earlier in the book.
For some unknown reason, Christians like Jeff never seem to understand what coincidences are. In their world, for some unknown reason, coincidence = their particular 'god' thing. Then they get annoyed when rational people try to simply understand their empty assertions. Weird or what?
We are at 68 days of folks failing to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings with 69 days approaching. Will the fail streak be broken by then? I doubt it.
If we consider that it is now 738,395 days since jesus was supposedly performing miracles, and you started counting 68 days ago, the probability that somebody delivers the proof required in the next 24 hours is 0.00013543%. And the day after that you will count 69 and the probability will be even less than it was today. And we know how the evolution deniers just love arguments from improbability!
You have to wait until year 2033, which is 2,000 years after the death of Jesus. At that point, Jesus will DEFINITELY come back because it's 2,000 years. So why didn't he come back in 1033? Well, that's like asking Nigel, "Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?" It's 2,000 years because of the same logic as, "these go up to eleven."
It was just SO obvious that Ali wasn't even listening when JMike challenged him to steel-man JMike's stance. It was pretty cringe when he tried to dodge the situation. It's very much like some of the trolls here. They aren't here to actually have a discussion, so any counter arguments they get won't really be considered. If they are backed into a corner, they just ignore the counter argument or go _ad hominem._
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"Supernatural" is just a word we use to identify things we imagine exist. Once we identify that something to actually exist, it becomes natural by default.
Jeff apparently didn't understand the question. WHY does he believe, not how he got to a church. The hosts were right, in that if he'd been taken to any kind of religious house of worship he'd had believed in that religion. So many theists answer the question they wanted to be asked, but not the question they WERE asked. His answer meant nothing to anyone else. And what a whiner! He can't answer the questions the hosts put to him, so he whines. He has no idea what he believes, so can't talk about it.
Great show guys! How about, "god had no chill when creating the universe, 2 billion galaxies with billions of stars and planets each, JUST for a bunch on apes on one planet!"
Nah, I'm not digging not allowing people to talk, and I have to listen to the host ramble on for 10 minutes. Allow the theist to put forth their ridiculous arguments in a reasonable amount of time, then debate it.
Been watching this show for years, alongside all the other atheist call-in shows. I generally enjoy them, but I am worried about this gradual creep of talking over callers and not allowing them to finish their thoughts under the guise of 'clarification'. Sometimes this is justified, but so many hosts across all these shows are taking up like, 70%+ airtime for each show with the callers getting, I think, justifiably frustrated more and more often. Fine, if you want to shut down what you think are bad arguments etc, but don't be surprised when no theist wants to call in anymore, and you have no shows to publish.
I used to fast forward irrational rants by guests to minimise my time hearing dumb arguments, but lately I've found myself fast forwarding the hosts to minimise my time hearing their "clarifications".
Gosh had no chill when he force-fed his chosen people spoiled quail so they would get sick and die because they had the audacity to complain about being lost in the wilderness with nothing but rain-bread to eat.
1, Jeff do better next time 2 , Ali , can you experience if you don't exist ? 3 , criticising someone for not accepting a voice they hear is god when you wouldn't either is very strange 4 , remove your religion and bias would you accept the god if you heard a voice say its god but its not Allah ?
Ali is SO incapable us undertanding what SR and JMike said. He called in with a specific argument and he was going to keep going with it even when it no longer applies after what JMike and SR said. Ali: Can you give a proof that you exist? SR/JMike: We can't give a deductive proof that we exist, but we know abductively that we exist and that's sufficient for our lives, and we don't require deductive proof for god. Ali: You atheists require deductive proof for god, but you don't apply that level of proof for anything else.
I know they seem insufferable, but I really feel for some of these callers. I grew up immersed in Christianity. When I heard atheists speak, I felt scared, confused, and attacked, like they were trying to destroy something precious to me. And I was constantly taught that standing up for christ was something to be admired, almost revered. So when these people call in and act the way they do, I think many of them genuinely feel like courageous warriors, standing up for what's right in spite of their fear. And then when they inevitably get flustered and lose, they feel like they've failed as a person, because that's actually easier than stopping to question whether their whole life might be built on a lie. At least, that's how I would have felt.
I'm trying to watch this episode but it's so difficult because the callers hardly ever get a chance to speak. It's becoming ridiculous. Time to give SR a break, he's far too in love with his own voice. Somebody please do something about how poor AE has become.
Another possible conflict between omniscience and free will. Do God see all things in the future and past? Does that includes seeing all his own past and future thoughts? Are there a difference in having a thought and seeing it? Does God therefore have every thought he will ever have in every moment? Can such a being be described as making choices? Would it be insane?
Well here is what has been said about T H E H A I R Y T H U N D E R E R He is supposed to have all knowledge, all power and is everywhere . . . ( all loving/all good/all jealous? / all cruel/all self-conscious / all acting Silly/ all confused.
25:20 Big thanks to JMike for not letting callers just abuse the word “heart.”
I’m an atheist and I’ve loved AxP for over a decade now. Therefore, I hope you’ll accept some feedback. SR and JMike, you really need to communicate your thoughts more efficiently. Both of you tend to ramble and it’s very frustrating as a viewer. Try to get to the point more quickly, because this really isn’t working.
I subscribe to this. The points are good, but they take so long that they lose much of their effectiveness. And it makes the conversation very one sided with the hosts doing most of the talking.
Jmike and SR were running circles around the theist callers without even breaking a sweat.
My current favorite Dynamic Duo.
No, I'm not talking about the Korean hip-hop group.
@@tsdbhg Who's Batman and who's the Boy Wonder?
Ali is another total ignorant , pathetic desperate fail.
Incapable of answering 😉
Stupid logic and reasoning 😅
Desperate and butthurt. 😊
Wonderful show guys, you both are awesome!
Never get tired of Jmike's reasoning and logic
God had no chill when Job asked him to justify why he was being tortured and God didn't want to admit he did it to win a bet.
"Basically for LOLz. Sry."
-- God
I am that I am. And it is what it is.
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@@theepsteindiariesthe bet was between god and Satan.
Maybe look up what a wager is.
Odd thing is that it was the same wager from the movie Trading Places.
Jeff is a perfect example of how pastors prime their congregations to accept claims without validation, and to react combatively when atheists don't just agree with their non-arguements right away.
Normally I'd say,l he was looking for a fight, but I believe Prophet of Zod when he shows how churches set them up for failure when having conversations with atheists.
Yeah, he comes in with the certainty that he's correct and immediately becomes combative and plays the victim when they simply ask for clarification on the claims he was making. He thought he could just come in and preach without pushback but couldn't handle being stopped and asked simple questions.
Holy shit, Ali spent his entire call just moving his king out of check until it was mated.
Now I imagine two kings mating... 😂
Ali,
I might never have heard a more obvious case of a caller just turning off his brain every time a host is speaking, just watching the clock and waiting for the host to shut up so you can say the next thing on your list of things to say REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOST IS SAYING because you're not listening anyway.
That's not a conversation.
That's just you blathering your thoughts at two people who wanted to talk WITH you but couldn't do that because you ignored every word they said.
You should be embarrassed.
Indeed and it stated right from the get-go.
Ali: “Can you prove you exist”
Hosts: *Both give articulate answers to the question and the issues arising from this.
Ali: Can you prove you exist.”
Everyone: 🤦🏻♂️
Jeff: "I floated above my body and I know god exists so I'm here to prove it".
Jmike: "Can you give us a methadology for how we can know you're correct?"
Jeff: "if you wanna try to be a Christian you gotta change your heart, you can't just try to prove sentences wrong!"
Hell of a methadology there, Jeff. So we have to first...want to be a Christian.. And second....not try to prove it wrong. Well heck why didnt ya just say so Jeff!? We can believe anything like that!
I need Jeff's contact information, I have stuff to sell him, he just has to open his heart and stop questioning the quality and origin of my products...
g0d had no chill when he slaughtered the Egyptian first born to punish Pharaoh for having a hardened heart.
A heart which He had also hardened.
@@MWVercingetorix Exactly! From which it is easy to conclude that the whole thing was set in place by an all powerful g0d because he really wanted to kill those babies.
@@MWVercingetorix Beat me to it 👍🏼
@@holgerlubotzki3469or you could conclude it never actually happened, that old fable has been debunked many times
@@petermeichan3160 Of course it never happened. The story itself completely disproves the existence of the tri-omni g0d that killed the first born and I will never pass up any opportunity to highlight that nonsense to the ones who are so desperate to believe that the tribal war g0d of Abraham is real that they will happily be apologists for crimes against humanity.
SR that was a masterfully executed TKO
SR's default move is to just jump into an analogy regardless of whether it's actually necessary.
He's constantly interrupting Jmike or just reiterating and taking twice as long to do so.
The whole call with Ali was infuriating to listen to. Ali doesn't have great listening skills, but at the same time, it's not a fair thing to ask someone to repeat an explanation that was made 10 minutes ago meanwhile SR has been talking your ear off.
I am sooo glad that I don't have to repeat what I think Jmike is saying.
Name a time god had no chill?
When he kept hardening Pharaoh's heart until he finally got to assassinate a bunch of children.
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Nice checkmate on Ali SR! 😂
Checkmate is the new Got Fed Through The Wood Chipper Up By The Lake. SR was cold-freakin'-blooded on that call.
@@nullverba856 I need to work "Got Fed Through The Wood Chipper Up By The Lake" into my everyday vocabulary.
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Consistently my favourite co-host pairing 🤩 SR & JMike are like Yin and Yang - perfectly complimentary
God had no chill when he promised certain land to more than one group of people
*_B-b-but_* ... the Bible claims (in Romans 2 : 11) that Yahweh doesn't show favoritism. So why would He be promising anything to any one group of people let alone two?
@@nullverba856 like I said… absolutely NO chill 😂
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable Your response was such an obvious foul that I'm not even adjusting my stance to scratch my balls over it. You *cannot* be for real.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable wow I’ve never seen this copypasta holy cow
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppableOh god, this stupid shit again. The lack of something is not a type of that thing. So atheism doesn’t provide a basis for religion. It’s basically just a reaction to religious propaganda. BTW, why all the needlessly gruesome details? Did u just watch Passion of the Christ or some other slaughter film?
Lmao “I’m sorry, I was playing the drums”
The abrahamic god had no chill when it thought "death by bear mauling" was a good punishment for the children in 2 kings. Imagine if we just had bears sitting to the side in juvenile courts, waiting.
the modern version of death by bear, is death by cowardly cop
27:34 Cut away to JMike playing air drums is gold 😂😂😂
My favorite Bible story is the one where the Apostles take a shit on a man named Thomas. Doubting Thomas they called him. He was given that offensive nickname because he was skeptical about a dude rising from the dead. He should be known as Reasonable Thomas! Maybe start his own church, the Church of Rational Thinking.
there are some people who think the gospel of Thomas might have predated Luke which is why Luke singled him out for attack.
Yeah.. the other apostles told Thomas they had seen the risen Jesus but he refused to believe them unless he too could see the risen Jesus for himself.
Roll forward two thousand years and doubting atheists who ask for a similar standard of evidence that was given to Thomas are labelled unreasonable by those who are prepared to believe any kind of bullshit they get told by a man in a frock.
@isiahs9312 really? Because Bart Erhman dates that one in the early second century 113 to 140 ad
And the entire Jesus Seminar thinks Thomas predates the canonical gospels. Plus Elaine Pagels is a proponent of an early Thomas. So there you are.
@@johnrobinson5623 hah ok
jeff can not follow the conversation and the questions asked about the truth of his personal experience regarding his deity and any examination of it. his mind is blocked from questioning which is part of the defense mechanism his religion imposes on him.
😂😂😂😂I am a 64 year old woman and I have never believed in god and from what I see I never will.
Name a time god had no chill?
She-bears. 'Nuff said.
Circularity is my favorite host
lol!
When god had no chill: When god invoked "no backsies" on Jephthah.
so far (27 minutes in) all jeff wants to do is call in and preach, he doesn't want to have a conversation.
He gets all pissy about them asking a clarifying question, right after they’d clearly explained why clarification is often needed… and especially due to his sloppy and ambiguous communication style.
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Jeff is not ready for a conversation among grownups. The best he could do is quote a Bible verse that in no way even began to address what he was being asked. A Bible verse that is completely contradicted elsewhere earlier in the book.
WEIRD I'AM named JOHN and I just clicked the THUMBS UP at that exact moment.
I really hope SR sees this comment
42:15 wonderful and comprehensive response. Beautifully articulated. Shame it was lost on this bloke. Why bother calling ?
For some unknown reason, Christians like Jeff never seem to understand what coincidences are. In their world, for some unknown reason, coincidence = their particular 'god' thing. Then they get annoyed when rational people try to simply understand their empty assertions. Weird or what?
Name a time god had no chill?
When he sent his kid to be murdered so he could forgive the murderers.
We are at 68 days of folks failing to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings with 69 days approaching.
Will the fail streak be broken by then?
I doubt it.
If we consider that it is now 738,395 days since jesus was supposedly performing miracles, and you started counting 68 days ago, the probability that somebody delivers the proof required in the next 24 hours is 0.00013543%.
And the day after that you will count 69 and the probability will be even less than it was today.
And we know how the evolution deniers just love arguments from improbability!
You have to wait until year 2033, which is 2,000 years after the death of Jesus. At that point, Jesus will DEFINITELY come back because it's 2,000 years.
So why didn't he come back in 1033? Well, that's like asking Nigel, "Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?"
It's 2,000 years because of the same logic as, "these go up to eleven."
@@holgerlubotzki3469the thing is I’m aiming at all gods.
And figuring out a date in the very first god claim has been tricky.
As soon as the caller is tipped off their script, no one is listening and no one is respectful.
Mission accomplished: WWLib thread deletion count is up by 2 within the last 10 minutes.
She deletes because she has a very important message for her fellow man and comes here with the truth.
LOL
@@holgerlubotzki3469 That's her 5 year mission.
@@Tuna_Man2323not far off, her idea of heaven has a startrek quality with god continually creating new worlds to explore
Ali is nowhere near equipped to deal with these two guys.
It felt like a dude who is a self described "street fighter" challenges a bjj black belt and proceeds to be choked out with his own collar.
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its funny when callers get so upset when the hosts cut them off as they try to preach,
This is among my favorite host combination. SR and JMike are philosophy geniuses.
I love when JMike uses the word "justificatory". It just lifts him higher on the intellectual pedestal above all the theists.
It was just SO obvious that Ali wasn't even listening when JMike challenged him to steel-man JMike's stance. It was pretty cringe when he tried to dodge the situation.
It's very much like some of the trolls here. They aren't here to actually have a discussion, so any counter arguments they get won't really be considered. If they are backed into a corner, they just ignore the counter argument or go _ad hominem._
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@@369spartanderp derp spam.
@@369spartan Who's your engineering daddy now Ricky Lamebot? I'm your engineering daddy now Ricky Lamebot! Speed of light squared is 5 right Ricky Lamebot?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 It's so funny when he claims to be an engineer, then does ciphering like Jethro Bodine. Sofa king funny.
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1 gazinta 1 once
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Right Mr. Engineer? Sixth grade math HAW HAW
You guys are my favorite pair. I like Jim Burrows too. Thank you for your patience with people and viewpoints.
Jmike is awesome but SR is so terrible.
nah, they let them go on far to long,
God had no chill when he killed Uzzah for touching his Ark. That part always sounds like a scene from Goodfellas, to me.
"Supernatural" is just a word we use to identify things we imagine exist. Once we identify that something to actually exist, it becomes natural by default.
Sky Daddy had no chill when he slapped the pieces off the board because he didn't like how they were playing without him. (Noah's flood) lol
😶🌫️sky daddy tantrum😅
Unlike his namesake, Ali floats like a brick and stings like a butterfly
Sad Ricky Spartan LameBOT has to reply to his own posts just to pretend somebody thinks he might have something to say...
@@holgerlubotzki3469he's just being pissy because I'm ignoring him.
@@joshsheridan9511nice.
@@joshsheridan9511 The boy is stuck on stupid.
Jeff apparently didn't understand the question. WHY does he believe, not how he got to a church. The hosts were right, in that if he'd been taken to any kind of religious house of worship he'd had believed in that religion. So many theists answer the question they wanted to be asked, but not the question they WERE asked. His answer meant nothing to anyone else.
And what a whiner! He can't answer the questions the hosts put to him, so he whines. He has no idea what he believes, so can't talk about it.
Great show guys!
How about, "god had no chill when creating the universe, 2 billion galaxies with billions of stars and planets each, JUST for a bunch on apes on one planet!"
Nah, I'm not digging not allowing people to talk, and I have to listen to the host ramble on for 10 minutes. Allow the theist to put forth their ridiculous arguments in a reasonable amount of time, then debate it.
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Is there, like, a book that I could read that would allow me to understand JMike? That dude’s brain must have way more folds than mine.
Been watching this show for years, alongside all the other atheist call-in shows. I generally enjoy them, but I am worried about this gradual creep of talking over callers and not allowing them to finish their thoughts under the guise of 'clarification'. Sometimes this is justified, but so many hosts across all these shows are taking up like, 70%+ airtime for each show with the callers getting, I think, justifiably frustrated more and more often. Fine, if you want to shut down what you think are bad arguments etc, but don't be surprised when no theist wants to call in anymore, and you have no shows to publish.
I used to fast forward irrational rants by guests to minimise my time hearing dumb arguments, but lately I've found myself fast forwarding the hosts to minimise my time hearing their "clarifications".
God had no chill when he realized that humankind could reach their naughty bits with their own hands.
God had no chill when it invented volcanoes.
Asks for clarification… “You’re disrespectful!”
time god had no chill: when it made the honey badger in his image
Holy shit these guys got it down to an art.
God had no chill when he created Hell... because temperature-wise, it's diametrically the opposite of "chill".
IJMike and SR, I love you guys together! Great pic JMike, love the dino! And SR, great laugh!
JM & SR make excellent points. I just wish they would make them more concisely.
😢😢You're being fecitious, right?
They are quite verbose.
I've always felt that the show would benefit from having a guest Chupacabra.
A guest capybara.
This is a good host-combo.
God had no chill that time he almost killed Moses over his son not being circumcised.
Gosh had no chill when he force-fed his chosen people spoiled quail so they would get sick and die because they had the audacity to complain about being lost in the wilderness with nothing but rain-bread to eat.
1, Jeff do better next time
2 , Ali , can you experience if you don't exist ?
3 , criticising someone for not accepting a voice they hear is god when you wouldn't either is very strange
4 , remove your religion and bias would you accept the god if you heard a voice say its god but its not Allah ?
Sky daddy had zero chill when Jesus forgot to take out the trash, so he sent him to Earth to get crucified
Ali is SO incapable us undertanding what SR and JMike said. He called in with a specific argument and he was going to keep going with it even when it no longer applies after what JMike and SR said.
Ali: Can you give a proof that you exist?
SR/JMike: We can't give a deductive proof that we exist, but we know abductively that we exist and that's sufficient for our lives, and we don't require deductive proof for god.
Ali: You atheists require deductive proof for god, but you don't apply that level of proof for anything else.
This was the exact point summed up extremely well
@@369spartan Go back to school Ricky.
Gosh! I hope Ali heals up quickly.
God clearly had no chill and lost his holy shit when he wrecked the money changers racket in the temple and chased them around with a whip
just think how much roman centurion ass jesus must have kicked that day. I mean that place was HEAVILY secured
Jess really nailed discussion with Jeff. Kind, non-hostile but it was the other party that was neither of those.
No, no SR, it was all Jeff. 😂 He definitely felt attacked- when that definitely wasn’t the case!
Worshipping a torture story
Rocking the cardigan btw mate……
38:19 OMG! Ali literally did the thing that Rainbow Wolf was talking about in the chat 😂
If Jeff answered the question the debate would be over.
God had zero chill when he hooked up with Mary but needed an angel to do the dirty bits.
Man, I really wish Ali’s god would have helped listen to J Mike during his call.
"Maybe, if Jesus told me to be a muslim" That is comedy gold.
I admire you guys a lot, because you are honest in your conversations, i found out that religions particularly Christianity is all about dishonesty!😊
God had no chill when Adam and Eve ate the one ripe fruit that he had been saving for himself on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
OK OK OK... I'll hit like
I must be watching an edited version of the show because I only heard the guy say "prove it" once, not again, and again, and again.
God had no chill when he foresaw at the beginning of time everything that everyone would do and then later declared some of those things to be sinful.
God had no chill when he defended a bald man from a group of children.
I know they seem insufferable, but I really feel for some of these callers. I grew up immersed in Christianity. When I heard atheists speak, I felt scared, confused, and attacked, like they were trying to destroy something precious to me. And I was constantly taught that standing up for christ was something to be admired, almost revered. So when these people call in and act the way they do, I think many of them genuinely feel like courageous warriors, standing up for what's right in spite of their fear. And then when they inevitably get flustered and lose, they feel like they've failed as a person, because that's actually easier than stopping to question whether their whole life might be built on a lie.
At least, that's how I would have felt.
Ironic that the biggest atheist is basically Jesus' twin brother
Jmike is the reincarnation of Rasputin.
There lived a certain man in US long ago....
Rate of god talking to people (literally) vs rate of people hallucinating
I'm trying to watch this episode but it's so difficult because the callers hardly ever get a chance to speak. It's becoming ridiculous. Time to give SR a break, he's far too in love with his own voice. Somebody please do something about how poor AE has become.
SR should have dropped the mic😂😂😂 Ali got caught then he realize what a fuck up he did 😂😂😂😂
God had no chill when he made everything but then got mad about it.
God had no chill when he allowed the '69 Mets to win the World Series. Change my mind....
Ali got owned 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!!
SR has such a nice smile. ❤😊
Another possible conflict between omniscience and free will. Do God see all things in the future and past? Does that includes seeing all his own past and future thoughts? Are there a difference in having a thought and seeing it? Does God therefore have every thought he will ever have in every moment? Can such a being be described as making choices? Would it be insane?
Well here is what has been said about T H E H A I R Y T H U N D E R E R He is supposed to have all knowledge, all power and is everywhere . . . ( all loving/all good/all jealous? / all cruel/all self-conscious / all acting Silly/ all confused.
Does* god...
Therefore*
Why does jMike have an oil painting of him doggy styling a dinosaur?