I think the main issue with this whole debate is what people label as dysphoria. I agree you don’t have to HATE your body to be trans but that’s only the physical side of dysphoria and I think too many people forget that as you said, there’s more than one type of gender dysphoria. I think you have to have at least SOME discomfort regarding your gender (dysphoria) as you said but I respect that you’re not gonna tell people what they can identify as.
I agree completely , I'm never going to tell anyone they are not the identity that they are. But I feel like you have to have some type of discomfort with their gender assigned at birth otherwise ... why would you feel the need to transition? (social or phsyicaly or any other type of transition) But like you said I would never tell someone they are not trans* because at the end of the day it's their life and their decisions and I will respect that
i cannot wrap my head around the idea of someone being fine with their body (pre-transition) claiming they have no physical dysphoria, but still say that they're transgender. it makes no sense.
Dysphoria is literally categorized as distress associated with a disconnect between gender and assigned sex. That’s the definition. The disconnect (trans ness) is its own category. You can have both, or just be trans with no distress by still experiencing a disconnect.
I'm glad someone got the actual point of what I was saying tbh. My argument of 'not needing dysphoria' is actually more like people not labeling their discomfort as dysphoria - which like, each to their own and all that. I just disagree so heavily with people who go out of their way to angrily invalidate other people based on their own opinions. I think we should all just leave each other be and agree that we don't see eye to eye.
When I was first figuring out that I was trans I thought that I didn't have gender disphoria because I didn't know what it meant and how it felt but further on when I understood gender disphoria more, it turned out that I did have gender dysphoria. People can have different 'levels' of disphoria. I personally am body positive, but I hate all the feminine/female traits.
@@GabS-o1m a lot of trans are being hateful and saying you have to want to transition and dislike your body yo be trans... Just ridiculous, but invalidates nonbinary trans as well
I have the exact same experience and while I find it important that I can classify my discomfort as dysphoria I find it really cool that I can share trans people who have much more severe dysphoria and say “wow I am so glad I haven’t had to go through the pain that they have and I would love to support them in all the small ways I can to make them have less pain and discomfort”
*To everyone giving their logical arguments about why they don't think non-dysphoric trans people exist:* what I got from what Jake said is that their problem is mostly just the way people try to enforce beliefs onto others. I too, and it sounds like Jake as well, can't really understand how it is possible for someone to be a non-dysphoric trans person, but I also strongly believe that it's not my place to come at somebody else for defining themselves in a way that I don't agree with. Bottom line is, even if someone bothers me a bit, I still don't want to cause them any pain by pushing my ideals onto their lifestyle. *Also, I'm aware that non-dysphoric trans people, as well as people who have detrasitioned due to being mistaken in their identities, pose a threat to cis people's ease of acceptance with trans people as a whole.* Trust me, I am very, VERY personally aware of this issue. I think it's a large part of what keeps my parents from accepting me, their impression that being trans is "trendy" and that lots of people regret transitioning. It makes me angry and it breaks my heart. However, I don't think the correct way to solve this issue is to verbally attack often very young people who already suffer from low self-esteem, depression, rejection, etc. They might already be very vulnerable. So I just can't respect that approach.
oh yeah, non dysphoric trans* people and non-binary people are so AWFUL for the trans* community!!!! i think transphobes like you pose a threat, to all trans* people, no matter if dysphoric and binary or not.
meowverique I have to admit, my opinion one way or the other is not very strong. Mostly I just want everyone to stop yelling at each other. I love and welcome all my trans brothers and sisters, all my nonbinary siblings. I’m a willing ear ready to learn from anyone’s experiences.
Meowverique Linden Acer made a very considerate and reasonable comment trying to better define what this TH-camr meant in their video, so why are you coming at them with such an antagonistic attitude and accusing them of being transphobic??? Even in their reply to you they remained sensible and respectful. Can you not also voice your opinion in a civil and rational manner without accusing others of being transphobic?
Hey , I love you and I love your content , but without dysphoria you literally have no reason to be trans ? If you don’t feel any kind of disconnect with your gender assigned at birth then there’s no reason to transition ? Like if you’re okay with how you look , feel , and how other people perceive you then why would you transition ? That’s just my opinion
I think that's what he means by the issue of definition and language. I think certain people wouldn't label what you just described as dysphoria. Most people only really know about physical dysphoria and to a certain extent, social dysphoria and it's all associated with absolute hatred and disgust and discomfort, not that disconnect with your assigned gender. Obviously people feel some kind of disconnect to their assigned gender or feel that they wouldn't be happy living as their assigned gender but they don't believe it matches up with the definition of dysphoria they've been given. That's my view on it, anyways.
*To me it sounded like you believe that you need gender dysphoria* (meaning you’re uncomfortable being seen or referred to as the gender you were assigned at birth) *to be trans and that some people experience that exact same feeling but just don’t call it dysphoria...* I get that completely, that’s chill, call it what you want but at the same time *it is* still dysphoria. People can accept they have dysphoria but choose not to label it that generally, simply not calling it something doesn’t eradicate the definition. *For the record there’s no bad blood in this.* This is just taking what was said & sharing my opinion, Jake’s a great person, not agreeing with him doesn’t mean I now automatically hate the guy. Not sharing an opinion doesn’t mean you have to dislike someone. *Before anyone comes for me just cause I said I disagree.*
meowverique No, not at all. I literally said that’s fine and you can label it however you want but that deep down you should accept what it is. As an example, I call my chest just that “my chest”, it makes me wholely uncomfortable to refer to it as “breasts” but I know that logically speaking that’s what it is, I just generally don’t call it that because it makes me uncomfortable. That’s fine. It’s just that there’s not much sense in completely denying you have something when it fits the definition exactly, but that doesn’t mean people have to call it that if they don’t like the label.
The problem is that gender dysphoria is also a medical diagnosis. Not all trans people meet the criteria for said medical condition. And that's what people mean when they say you don't have to experience gender dysphoria to be trans. But yeah, all trans people experience dysphoria towards their assigned gender to some extent, it's just that in some cases it's not damaging enought to qualify as the medical diagnosis.
Yes, but any credible, capable gender specialist will know and recognise what is and isn’t gender dysphoria, however mild or severe, if it falls under the definition it will be diagnosed. If it’s so mild or so that it can’t be diagnosed by a specialist in the field that’s more than likely because it doesn’t fit the definition and the person is confusing a feeling for it. Obviously there are cases of misdiagnosis, so this could possibly be a factor but if you’re giving your honest experience and explaining your feelings exactly as you are experiencing them and don’t get diagnosed it’s 99.9% gonna be that you don’t have that condition.
Guys hes right! The actual meaning of gender dysphoria is feeling distress and anxiety from it, but the discomfort and misalignment is called gender incongruence!
Dysphoria is what being trans is???like if you're comfortable with the gender you were assigned at birth, why would you change it? It's like saying Yea I'm schizophrenic. No I've never been diagnosed. No I dont hallucinate. No I dont have a disconnection from society. But I'm schizophrenic because I SAY I AM and you cant tell me I'm not I am valid. You dont need physical dysphoria to be trans but if socially non dysphoric about your birth assigned gender YOU ARE NOT TRANS! AND YES! IT IS HARMFUL TO OTHERS SAYING YOU ARE TRANS WITHOUT DYSPHORIA because you are keeping people who actually ARE DYSPHORIC from transitioning because as a result, nobody takes them seriously. Lastly, when going through the process of taking hormones, A DOCTOR LITERALLY NEEDS TO DIAGNOSE YOU WITH DYSPHORIA. say you were AFAB. You're fine with your body, but SOCIALLY you cannot imagine living life as a female and you feel that you are male. If that is you, congrats toots YOU ARE DYSPHORIC! I said this twice and I'll say it again IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE PRESENTING AS YOUR BIRTH GENDER, YOU HAVE NO REASON TO TRANSITION. YOU ARE NOT TRANS.
okay so I Hope this doesnt come off as rude but i dont think im cis but i dont know if I have dysphoria, i dont dislike my.body as It is but i would like to have flatter chest and use neutral pronouns, and I also feel kinda weird being called a woman or a girl (Im a female assigned at birth) Is that dysphoria ?
Honestly i don't care if it hurts someones feelings anymore, if you don't have dysphoria you don't need to transition and shouldn't. people who say you can have no dysphoria and still be trans ARE harming the community. partly because they can confuse gender non conforming kids into thinking that gender non conforming means trans. I've legit seen it first hand how not addressing dysphoria as the main cause of being trans can confuse and ultimately harm people. I'm not one of those who writes off non binary people either, as it makes sense to me that you could have non binary gender dysphoria, especially with intersex people, a lot of whom dont know they're intersex.
Gender non conforming is by definition also trans. You're not what you were assigned at birth cause you're a different gender/have no gender (e.g. being gender non conforming)? That's being trans.
I personally agree with the message that you are putting out here, Jake. Regardless of what your opinion is on this topic, a person's personal autonomy comes before anything else. So whether you think you need dysphoria to be trans or not, you only get to decide whether your own identity is valid. And acting like you get to decide the validity of someone else's identity is incredibly immature, and only adds to the gatekeeping and infighting within the community.
We really need to think about finding the balance between the needs of one's self in the community and the needs of the whole. As Camden suggested one person's actions can and do reflect on the community at large and those actions can have consequences for everyone involved in the said community.
"It doesn't actually make me feel negative, it's just something that makes me realize it's not quite right and I would be happier and live a more fulfulling live if those things weren't there" accurate description of how I feel about myself.
I actually have quite a similar opinion on this topic. I don't understand it either how you can be trans but not have dysphoria. Like you need to experience something like a mismatch between your gaab and the gender you identify as. But at the same time, who am I to tell anyone who they are? I'm SO annoyed by gatekeeping. We're a community that isn't fully accepted as valid in our society because people don't UNDERSTAND. But still some of us project this same thing down to people WE don't understand and invalidate them (I'm talking about binary trans people who say nb trans people don't exist, and trans people who experience dysphoria who say people without dysphoria aren't trans). We don't NEED to understand, we just need to accept people for who they are. (Obviously medical treatment should only be given to people who saw a psychiatrist who made sure that there isn't any other psychiatric condition that makes the person think they're trans.)
Let me tell you a story. Growing up, I lived next door to this boy named Chief. We were best friends, practically siblings. We used to play this game, just the two of us, called "it." In the game, I would bring Chief things and he would categorize them as "it" or "ain't it." Hours and hours of our childhoods were spent with this game. Once we entered high school, the game was slowly forgotten by both of us as studies consumed our lives. Nevertheless, the game had a huge impact on our lives. It brought us together. We attended the same college, worked at the same office, and eventually got married. When we had our first child, the memories of the game started to surface. We taught it to our children, and it became a large part of our life again. Right as I saw this post, I knew what to do. I brought it to my husband. With a sly smile on his face, he uttered the words "This ain't it."
Gender euphoria is an interesting addition to this and I think it makes more sense when you realise that this is what some people experience and affirms their transness more than the lack of dysphoria they experience.
As someone who has pretty “truscum” beliefs I have to say I completely agree with Jake and commend the way he has approached this video. I completely agree. I’ve heard some people say they don’t have dysphoria and when I asked them how they knew they were trans, they quote on quote explained their feelings in what I would call dysphoria. They just didn’t label it that way. I feel every trans person experiences or has experienced “dysphoria”, they just didn’t call it dysphoria because they didn’t like the word or other reasons. All trans people have some sort of social, mental or physical “disconnect” with their biological sex and there is an array of different ways to interpret or language that experience. And that’s the thing it’s all language and semantics and I think getting upset or denying the identity of someone because they don’t use one specific term to describe themselves is silly.
Roman chan I don’t feel there’s anything wrong with it personally. Some people just don’t like to use it to describe what they’re feeling. They may feel it has too much of a negative stigma attached to it idk. That’s them, they’re preference. I don’t give a fuck personally how someone chooses to describe what they’re experiencing or if they want to choose to reject certain words. I just know that regardless of what you call it, it’s something that every trans person experiences and I don’t get why some people get so hell bent out shape and emotional about how someone chooses to describe it.
and again, you don't force labels on people. if they don't call it dysphoria then it's not dysphoria for them. like those people trying to tell others they aren't really bi or some shit.
meowverique So if someone is hallucinating but they don’t want to call it hallucinations, then it shouldn’t be considered hallucinations? What is this logic? Just cause someone doesn’t want to call their feelings dysphoria doesn’t mean that it isn’t dysphoria.
A lot of people who transition dont have dysphoria hence why many transition back. Also I've noticed a lot of people saying you can be trans before you're actually trans. Trans means to have transitioned.
The problem with most people who say that you do need dysphoria is that they forget that some people are confused or because of trauma, fear etc.. can't feel/recognize their feelings. By saying "you need it or you're not trans" they confuse even more, block and hurt people who are still trying to find out who they are. Even more when these people grew up in transphobic community and so, never even heard of the word "dysphoria" and have a wrong definition. It just hurt, you feel more confused, you try to hold on but just feel bullied and misunderstood by people that you thought would support you. I'm not talking only about me, some of my friends experienced de same problem. Is it really gonna change anything in your life if you "prove" that someone isn't trans without even knowing them? I thought we were better than that.
@@b0illin_mud0ne79 well no, but it applies to lots of things. Korean was just one example. It could apply to quantum physics, how a car engine works, childbirth, anxiety disorders............... Just because one doesn't understand something, that doesn't mean it's automatically not real, same goes for gender
Flynn Bantau you do have to know that saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans is harmful to the community. I don’t just not understand it, I resent it
Flynn Bantau people will think that it’s a choice. I saw this post where this person’s mom looked up something about trans people and saw a video of someone saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans. Their mom took that as “oh so it’s a choice” and used that information to be transphobic to her son. This shit happens. It’s very harmful. When I’m telling people you need dysphoria I’m not trying to be mean or anything but I’m just trying to make shit like this clear
*struggles not to look at the comments* Honestly, when people say they're trans and don't experience dysphoria, I just assume that their definition of dysphoria is more specific than mine and move on. Haven't really had to worry about any of it, cause I have basically every kind of dysphoria possible, lol.
I think you can be trans without dysphoria because you could experience gender euphoria instead (obviously you can experience both but this is about no dysphoria). If you don’t hate your body but feel a lot a happier when it’s different (eg binding) then that’s euphoria. If you are fine with your assigned pronouns but feel happier being called different ones, that’s euphoria. And in the end, it all comes down to what you feel in your mind. If you are a trans person who feels euphoria not dysphoria, you are privileged in the trans community. You can identify and present how you like, and spread awareness that a lot of trans people DO feel dysphoria. Tell people your pronouns and say that you don’t feel dysphoric if they get it wrong, but that a lot of trans people DO. As long as you respect people who do feel dysphoria, then I like you. End of conversation.
I personally feel that if you do not experience gender dysphoria then there is no reason to transition. I feel like having ‘gender dysphoria’ and being ‘transgender’ are interchangeable and one cannot exist without the other. Consider: Being unable to see means that you need glasses, if you can see perfectly fine... don’t wear glasses.
Thank god someone said it that's exactly how I feel about this topic. Im okay to leave people who wanna identify a certain way. I'd never tell someone they weren't something because I disagree. The argument with religion is a perfect example because everyone has to respect peoples religions in society even if they don't believe them.
@@misfitrmdiqpiq y can't people just let people be its there fault if they make a fool of themselves I only care about me and my friends. As long as we are respected idc about transtender people
Exactly. Very well said. I feel the same. I don't see how you could be trans and not have dysphoria, but that doesn't mean there aren't people like that out there. Doesn't mean there are either, but I just don't understand how people could claim that they don't exist when that's hard to prove. It's why I'm agnostic and not atheist. I don't understand how God could exist, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't, just because I can't understand it. The universe is such a complicated place, and it's not *my* place to claim things are a certain way without hard evidence to back it up.
I think you have to have dysphoria to be trans. Because if u don’t have dysphoria then u don’t feel as the opposite gender therefore have no reason to transition making u cis. But I do think u can love your body when trans, I just think u need some form of dysphoria
If you’re saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans, you’re implying that being trans is a choice. That’s a very hurtful mentality to actual trans people.
What about euphoria and cross-gender identification? I don't have to dislike my current state (dysphoria) to prefer another state (euphoria). I don't need to want something to be true "I wish god weren't real" to know it isn't true "god isn't real". I might even wish god were real but I still can't force myself to believe. I can send you a 3-page paper I wrote on this.
@@6iaZkMagW7EFs I completely agree with you. I wrote this comment years ago and I disagree with it now. Thanks for replying so I can remember to delete it
To the overwhelming amount of people in the comments who dont seem to understand anything at all... *NOT ALL TRANS PEOPLE CAN OR EVEN WANT TO PHYSICALLY TRANSITION. MEDICAL TRANSITION IS NOT A NECESSARY PART OF BEING TRANS*
Luis Vaughan I disagree in a way. I feel like if you identify as trans and physically cannot receive treatment (hormones,surgery,therapy) due to medical issues or a lack of resources. You are still valid. But if you don't want any kind of treatment even when it's available? Nah. If you're trans and don't want to transition. You should probably think it over a little more.
@@radiocure5459 deciding weather or not to physically transition is a very personal thing. You have no idea why a trans person might decide not to. Doesnt make them not trans.
I personally do think you need dysphoria to be trans but that’s based on the research done (male brain vs female brain kind of thing) and my own understanding of gender and being trans from a dysphoric perspective. Like you said, I just don’t understand how or why someone would identify as trans if they don’t even have a bit of social dysphoria. But that’s also just my opinion and not something I force onto other people or non-dysphoric people. I believe being respectful is more important than identity politics. Non-dysphoric people haven’t infringed on my life in any way or stopped me from transitioning so I’ll stay out of their way as well.
hey I pretty much agree with you but the thing about male and female brains being different (I think that's what you're saying??) has been disproven - www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds. a quote if you cba to read it all- The majority of the brains were a mosaic of male and female structures.
Non dysphorics have pushed back my transition.... Just because they don't affect you doesn't mean they don't fuck over anyone else. I had to wait another full 8 months in order to get hormones.... I didn't get hormones until I was 20, and I knew I was trans since I was 12 and I came out at 14. I suffered for awhile.
SkinNYmini just curious, how is it non dysphoric people's fault that your transition got pushed back? Like, im just wondering how it would have anything to do with them.
@@LuisVaughan44 because non dysphorics sue and hurt the psychologist/therapist who diagnosed them so in order for it to not happen again they make the processes of diagnosing longer for other future patients. I was one of those patients whose process was lengthened.
I don't identify as having dysphoria because I don't fit the criteria for gender dysphoria, but I am trans. I will copy-paste from a website that has the diagnostic criteria for it (at least according to the DSM V, which is what my country uses): Gender Incongruence (in Adolescents or Adults) A. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration, as manifested by 2* or more of the following indicators: 1. a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or, in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics) 2. a strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or, in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics) 3. a strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender 4. a strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender) 5. a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender) 6. a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender) For me, I only have 2 of these things. The letter A. and the number 1. Everything else, I don't identify with. People say, hey, you don't have to have all of these stereotypical strong feelings about needing certain parts or needing to look a certain way or present a certain way! Well. It does seem that way according to this definition. "Strong desire" is the important part of this. I've never had such a "strong desire". So by my own experience, because I only have A. and not 2 or more of the rest of the symptoms, I don't feel comfortable saying I have gender dysphoria. I am still trans, I am still transitioning, and I will continue transitioning in the future. I know that I rather my life now than go back, and I wouldn't go back. But not because of some "strong desire". It's because this is who I am. One thing I will not tolerate is people saying that I'm not trans enough or people like me are not trans enough. Bump all of that. I don't dislike my body, but I've been changing it and will continue to change it because that is me living my truth. And I don't have to experience discomfort to change my body. It's like saying no one can feel just okay. You can only feel extreme happiness! Or very sad. Or incredibly angry. And if you feel happy tomorrow and claimed to feel okay yesterday, that means that the day before when you were feeling okay was a negative feeling. The world isn't black and white, or binary. To say that me living my truth is a lie, is so disrespectful. We all have a trans experience, although different. Just let people be themselves ★ some of y'all in the comments need to chill.
Also, some people are saying, go to a professional and they will tell you whether you are trans or not! ...professionals, especially in the mental health field, give you their educated opinion. and at the end of the day, it is an opinion. I've been to many, many professionals about this, all saying different things about me. From saying I'm lying for attention to transitioning seems to be the only thing that will help you. And even professionals that would say things that you'd never in a million years say to a questioning and vulnerable youth. professionals are not the end all be all of validating the trans experience, and certainly not central to validating the trans experience. that comes from us as trans people. Like how a person doesn't need to feel discomfort over being right- or left- handed, or ambidextrious. It can be a consequence that people would feel discomfort, especially when you're left-handed living in a mostly right-handed world. but the discomfort is not necessary. you were right- or left-handed the moment you realized that putting something in your nondominant hand, it just wasn't who you were. it doesn't need to cause pain or distress to any capacity. it's just hey. i can't do this. and if you're ambidextrious and/or you're able to switch hands doing different tasks, the lines aren't as clear. and to reduce those people to be right-handed is denying their experience, just because it doesn't match your personal experience
This is gonna piss of so many people but I really don't care anymore As a dysphoric trans-masc person, I don't think you need it. You can have a disconnection between your assigned gender at birth, but not have the distress accompanied by it. Gender Incongruence is the disconnect, and gender dysphoria is defined by significant distress. I don't understand what it is like to be trans without gender dysphoria. I don't know what it's like. I don't understand non-dysphoric trans people, but do I think they don't exist? No. I don't understand what it's like to be schizophrenic, but schizophrenic people exist. I've seen multiple non-dysphoric trans people transition and be happy and not regret it. They don't choose to be trans, just like a dysphoric trans person doesn't. This video is very well worded in my opinion. Non-dysphoric trans people aren't harming you, you're just a dick. Proudly lgb or t people who are happy with being loud and proud aren't hurting you or "making the community look like a joke." it's not "trenders" that's why transphobes hate us. Do you think transphobes know anything about the dysphoria debate or what a transmed or a tucute is? No. They don't care. They hate us BECAUSE WERE TRANS.
I will always be a strong believer that a person needs gender dysphoria to be trans, however people experience gender dysphoria in several different ways and there isn’t a one size fits all
Thank you so much for this, Jake. I have so far not seen any other person phrasing their opinion on the topic this respectfully. Personally I do not really understand why it is a debate in the first place, and I don't usually mind debates, but this one has turned more into people attacking each other and you didn't do that, which is a relief. I just feel like you tackled it really well and it makes me glad. Sorry for rambling
Thank you, I've currently questioning myself for a second time, the first identifying as a bigendered person. But the more and more that I think about it, the more and more I think I'm a guy. I mean I've used the he/him pronoun online for almost three years now, and I feel good when someone actually calls me a he/him when they know biologically I'm not. I'm comfortable with my body (besides that I'd rather have short hair, and maybe different lower parts, but yeah), my boobs don't give me most of my dysphoria, and generally ignore them (except when they get in the way). I still don't know what to do...
I thought I was bigender for awhile and had the same experience, but I realized over time that for me it was that I liked the attention I got as a 'girl' and how special I felt I was being treated. I also was uncomfortable 24/7 even when I wasn't being catcalled. Then as I started to transition and decided I'd rather be comfortable than complemented I realized that I was a guy and that I was trying to make my identity more appealing to those around me who wouldn't take it well. But when I did I felt so much better and more confident and it's amazing. Like I said this was just my experience, but I hope you get to figure yourself out and be happy.
So now the oppression Olympics has moved up a gear to " What level of dysphoria you have" .. Next in the NPC dictionary will be Dys-Trans and Dys+Trans. " Oh Bob is so Privileged she is only Dys-Cis-Trans.. I'm Dys-Dat-Trans fat. I win the Opression Olympics Gold this week"..
I love it when trans masculine peeps don't push their beliefs on others and are being considerate. You legit see who grew up in an accepting environment and who had conservative relatives or friends who didn't take them seriously and it traumatised them to the extent that it's now their mission to make trans community to be 'taken seriously' by putting down anyone who doesn't live up to their standards. They are desperately seeking approval from transphobes, trying to distance from the most marginalised and vulnerable within the community. It is absolutely trauma based. I just think we should let them, because truly I think people only care about the subject because they're being loud and obnoxious. I will still fight for their rights, even if they deny mine.
I totally agree, thank you for making a video on this (I don't really get how someone could be trans without dysphoria, but I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone how they feel or identify is wrong)
"YOU DONT NEED DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS" continues to explain that you do need dysphoria just not an extreme amount. Yeah, we know. Thanks for the clickbait
@@free_h2o142 I think you've misunderstood. Yes, doctors diagnose gender dysphoria but doctors as in surgeons make someone trans. I'm going by the actual defintion of trans and not the recent activist definitions. Trans as in a person who transitions their sex through gender reassignment surgery. A person isn't trans until theyve transtioned no matter how much activists and infiltrates at Stonewall try to implement new defintions. Trans comes from the transitioning of your physical gender.
@@DarkAngel2512 There is no such thing as an 'actual definition'. Words have evolved since their invention. However, I believe in subjective language, so your definition isn't really 'wrong' either. That being said, I think that the more recent definition of trans is more useful and relevant in the world we live in. I myself identify as trans. I am biologically female, I have lived as male for five years and I've been on testosterone for over two years. If you think I'm not really trans because I haven't had GRS, I think nothing of that except that its a little strange and undeniably outdated.
@@free_h2o142 if you're living as the opposite sex and are on medication you fall under trans as you are taking medication that has altered your body and brain. People who just say "hey, I'm a man" are not trans as there is nothing discernable to show that. You I assume sound like a man or are able to grow facial.hair and build more muscle. You have transtioned, unlike those who simply "say" they are the opposite sex. Those guys haven't transitioned one bit.
Well said. As a transman, my opinions on other people’s dysphoria, is simply that - my opinion. And my own experiences with dysphoria, are simply my own my own experiences. I don’t care how someone identifies or what they wear to express how they identify. And I won’t judge another person by their experiences (or lack of) with dysphoria. If all someone wants to do is live socially as the gender they identify as and don’t feel the need for anything medical, because they don’t experience dysphoria, that’s fine. My personal opinion on whether they are trans or not, doesn’t matter.
gender👏euphoria👏is👏fucking👏valid And also can be a *really* good identifier of whether you're trans or not, that's how I started seriously questioning my gender
im extremely happy you went into the different types of dysphoria right off the bat! i feel that most videos on this topic only focus on body dysphoria, but heck, its not that simple XD
the comments on this video are disgusting. no one here has any right to dictate what people can or can't identify as. if someone is trans, they're trans, whether they experience dysphoria or not.
thank you for sharing this. your opinions are mine exactly. i think people getting worked up on either side comes from a place of insecurity. i don’t really know what i believe but i’m comfortable enough with myself that it doesn’t matter that much. i’ll accept anyone who feels they belong.
social dysphoria is literally based on social roles though, like you can’t be diagnosed with social dysphoria alone because of how broad social dysphoria is, in that it can be caused by sexism, gender roles, homophobia, etc. It’s more to do with gender non-conformity rather than the distress with biological sex characteristics and ICD at least makes this very clear that they are different and you must show signs having distress with sex characteristics. if these are both going to be labelled as trans then there needs to be a VERY clear distinction between the two. Body dysphoria is the result of a mismatch between your biological sex and gender, whereas social dysphoria is an issue with societal roles and how people are socially perceived... often experienced by gender non-conforming people. Pretty much all trans ppl experience social dysphoria because of how we’re not being perceived as the gender we feel more comfortable with, which often is attaching an idea of masculinity or femininity to a gender. For example, I had social dysphoria over my pronouns and clothes because I wasn’t being perceived as what society views as a man (masculine, he pronouns) but without those labels and assumptions you’re left with nothing but body dysphoria. When I transitioned, feminine clothes and she pronouns don’t bother me because I’m comfortable with myself as a man due to finally having hormones. I don’t believe being trans is socially constructed, so that’s why I don’t believe that you can be trans with social dysphoria alone. it’s true you can be unaware of your body dysphoria, while experiencing social dysphoria, but this is aimed more at people who have an issue with society rather than the mismatch with their gender and bodies. they’re completely different imo; regarding people with no dysphoria at all, I just don’t believe that’s possible in the slightest. There’s a criteria to having gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria = trans. If you didn’t need dysphoria to be trans, why do the majority of people experience it? Are trans people who experience dysphoria experiencing it because of something else? Our dysphoria doesn’t come from nowhere, it’s apparent because of our gender and brain mismatch. It just seems bizarre to me that anyone would believe you don’t need dysphoria to be trans, when it’s a medical condition with literal signs to it. everything has a criteria, you can’t just be something without any sort of official criteria but your own subjective feeling.
Jake- you express your opinion in such an articulate and intelligent manner, thank you for this! I really enjoyed you talking about this issue- one that I am actively trying to educate myself on as the debate continues- I am very much interested in your merch when my payday comes because i miss seeing your lovely face at work so much, I need myself a Jakey polaroid!! Lots of love, Abbey xxxx
Yesss boy. Honestly I stopped arguing with the people that say you can't be trans without dysphoria because basically they say anything and everything is dysphoria. But they still say dysphoria is a mental illness. I really don't get how you can say gender euphoria means you have dysphoria and then say gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That's not what a mental illness is. They get so caught up in "tHE bRain sCieNCe" and refuse to stop and think that people may have different experiences and different language for those experiences. You're just stating your opinion because that's all it is. There is no authority that unequivocally decides who is trans and who isn't. Honestly loved the vid.
This makes me feel so much better. Because I don't have body dysphoria, which I've seen every trans person I've been around have, but I have a lot of social dysphoria. I told my bf last night that I just wished that people would view me as a man but not have to go through surgery or hormones because I don't feel like I need that. I don't hate my body, I'm just a guy. I had a lot of dysphoria at the beginning of me realizing I was trans, but that was mainly because I felt horrible with my body in general, and realizing I was trans just made that already existing dysphoria worse.
I recently came out as a trans boy and I have body dysphoria bc I hate looking like a girl when I don’t feel like one and I also have social dysphoria bc hate being called a girl. It makes me so mad when people say that u have to have body dysphoria AND social dysphoria to be trans. U can have both or one. Or none of u feel that way. As long u are not harming anyone or forcing ur opinions on people and very happy with ur identity then u do u fren. I completely agree with him and I want everyone to get along and love each other in this community instead of attacking each other💖🖤 I hope that at least SoMeOnE agrees😅
“Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. In this case, the assigned sex and gender do not match the person's gender identity, and the person is transgender.”
THANKS JAKE ilysm for calling out this abhorrent thing going on in the community rn 💕 Too many trans people, usually teens finding certain trans youtbers, have been very ugly toward other trans people over this. :/
I stand with you jake, even if there are so many hate comments on this video. I believe trans people can be without dysphoria because they can instead have gender euphoria. Keep doing you!
@@silver4831 there’s a video on yt which is called do you need dysphoria to be trans and it talks about gender euphoria. I am a trans person who doesn’t fully experience gender dysphoria and I am valid
i feel exactly the same way. as a trans man who has dysphoria i can't conceptualise how a person without dysphoria could be trans, or why they would identity that way if they don't but i also don't want to tell anybody what they can or can't do or tell them their identity is wrong. like you said, language around these topics is inexact, it can lead to a lot of confusion and miscommunication in these discussions. i also certainly don't want to create an environment where people feel they have to prove their trans-ness and fit certain definitions and words. so while i don't understand how a person with no dysphoria of any type could be trans, I'm not going to go out of my way to make anybody who says they fit this category feel unwelcome, or question them in any way. if people say they identify a certain way we should just believe them. as far as i can tell the existence of people identifying this way isn't harming anybody. what is harming the entire trans community is all the identity policing that makes many people in an already vulnerable person question themselves further. we don't need that kind of toxicity in our own community when there's already so much directed at us from outside the community. it's not healthy or sustainable.
this video helped me understand a bit more why some of my friends don't think you need dysphoria to be trans. i don't really agree with them, but its such a brain fuzz to even talk about
You have to have some level of dysphoria to be transgender. Otherwise doctors wouldn't be evaluating trans people or they wouldn't need to see a Gender therapist. most Trans folk go to a therapist to ask for help on ways that they can relive their dysphoria. Also doctor's would just be giving out hormones to anyone who identifies as Trans because of how they feel.
Gatekeeping makes me so confused and frustrated. I don’t have time to repress and hate other people simply for not understanding their identity, I don’t have time to waste my time on that. Well said!
I just wanted to say thanks. I've been asking this question a lot lately. I think there is probably a better label for gender non conforming people than trans, but that label is only found through the kindness of people who are willing to show the way. These people are a minority of a minority of a minority, but I appreciate you giving them some space.
“trans” includes binary and non-binary trans people! Anyone whose gender isn’t what they were assigned at birth. I think a lot of people who say they don’t have dysphoria but are gender non-conforming are probably that (gender non-conforming: GNC) but if they’re medically and/or socially transitioning with a new name, new pronouns, etc. and they feel like “trans” is right for them, I’m all for it! I’m a non-binary trans person with physical and social dysphoria. I’m on T & have had top surgery, so a lot of my body dysphoria is gone, but unfortunately not all of it. I’ve never met another trans person who said they didn’t have any dysphoria at all, personally, but I accept that everyone’s experience is different, and we can’t know what it’s like to be in someone else’s mind
i feel like the "discomfort" word to define something like this is a little vague. cisgender people and transgender people can feel discomfort with their bodies but that does not equal dysphoria. people often times feel dscomfort with my weight, trans or cis, but that does not qualify for "dysphoria". now, if a person feels dysphoria because their hips are too wide to be seen as male, and they feel REALLY negative about it because they can not connect with that part of their body, identity and gender, then yes, it is dysphoria at some level. so, in that context we can uderstand that wanting to loose weight to look slimmer and wanting to loose weight because of a characteristic of you body that does not match your identity and genrder are COMPLETELY different. we MUST use the right terms for everything, it's important t get the right message out there and not confuse people. plus, dysphoria is not only physical dysphoria, so you MUST have social dysphoria to be trans, because if you don't feel a disconnect with your birth pronuns and name, then there is no way you can identify as the opposite gender.
all jokes aside There’s a few holes in your argument For one dysphoria” is also a vague word because the literal definition of dysphoria is “a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.” Which literally anybody in the world can experience It is not a trans specific term, trans people don’t own it. Hence “gender dysphoria” which definition includes a “disconnect”. Also You can be ok with your name and still be trans, the concept of gendered names is socially constructed. Where I’m from Ashley and Leslie are male names.....
its not vague because we are obviously talking about gender dysphoria, not everyone can experiences gender dysphoria, ONLY trans people can. yes, we know that names are socially constructed but that lays on the social dysphoria part. i mean, if some people have a gender neutral name then it is understandable why they do not have this disconnect with that part of themselves. but if you are a trans guy and your birth name was "sarah" or "emily" then, yes, there is a 99% chance you will feel the dysphoria in that case. gender is a huge part of our society as well, so taking as an argument that not all people feel the disconnect with the name JUST because it's socially constructed, is completely ironical when the social aspect of our lives is part of our identities (trans or cis) and it's important to understand that.
all jokes aside - [x] Before I start I just want to say I’m not arguing with you, just having a conversation and maybe shedding a light on a different view. - [ ] - [ ] “Disconnect” isn’t vague when it’s obvious we’re talking about gender either. That was my argument with your first post about we need to only use the word “dysphoria” to explain the trans experience. Both the terms disconnect and dysphoria are vague on their own. My entire point is everything boils down to preferential language. To me the definition of transgender is someone who on some level experiences a disconnect with their biological sex. Whether that be physically, socially etc. Someone might experience this disconnect but due to personal preference choose not to label it “dysphoria” for whatever reason. I’m personally not going to tell that person they’re not trans based on what language they choose to label their experience. As a point on names. Because names are socially based, what is considered a female or male name is based on culture and the country you live in. I’m going to assume you’re North American so your experience may make sense based on where you live. I see things differently because I’m from an African country and the name my parents gave me is gender neutral/more male in my parents country however in western countries (where I live now) it’s coded as heavily female. As in you probably couldn’t even imagine a male having this name yet many do where from. So some people may live in a place where someone wouldn’t blink an eye at Sarah for a male, who is anyone to tell this person that they should dislike their name based on social standards. Because it’s socially constructed Society could easily today decide Emily and Sarah are perfectly ok names for boys, mothers could easily name their sons Laura and Lisa and soon people will be used to them as male or unisex names. So it’s a very shaky foundation to base authenticity of trans identity on. Though I do see where your point comes from. Trans people change their names for a hole bunch of reasons including safety and I understand how trying to navigate the USA as a man names Mellisa currently would be difficult, all I’m saying is I wouldn’t be quick to judge a dude who wants to keep his name “Stacy”, not everyone experiences dysphoria the same for different reasons and culture may be one of them. Also where I’m from there’s no such thing as pronouns - as in gendered pronouns, it’s all neutral. So the concept of birth pronouns makes me laugh. I’m just saying that things aren’t black and white and there’s shade of grey. I’m just not gonna stress myself on how others live their lives and what they call themselves I guess.
So here's the TRUE answer to this whole debate. You do need dysphoria to be trans. Its just that the suicide inducing, overstimulating and terrifying kind isnt needed for you to be valid. Wanting to "live as a woman/man/adult" isn't what makes you trans, its rather the aspect of how your current identity feels to you, and how comfortable you are in it.
I totally agree, I’m not sure where I stand on this debate but I do kind of feel uncomfortable when people say that you need dysphoria to be trans, and I think that more of an issue with gatekeeping. I think it’s a great mindset to have to know that you can’t tell people what they can or can’t do/be!
Legit my exact thoughts, I disagree with his opinion but guy’s a really nice, great person. Idk why in today’s world so many people think that having conflicting opinions means you have to automatically hate each other.
Woah what?! A nice, polite comment agreeing to disagree without further discourse? I think I found the saints of the internet ‘cause that’s not what the rest of the comments are like. Thank you for actually being decent human beings!
I will happily share my side of an argument and have a discussion with someone about it respectfully, things can get pretty heated tbh but as soon as there are insults thrown or it becomes immature I’m out lmao.
You say "if they're not harming anyone what's the issue" so what do you think about people that create crazy genders they seem to identify with? Because here's my problem. And sorry if that's kinda mean but I feel like those people harm the trans-community because we're not being taken seriously by other people. People make fun of trans people because some people on the internet think being trans is some kind of trend and they need to create crazy genders. I hate labels in general but why don't you just explain how you feel instead of create 500 genders and expect people to learn about them? I don't get it I'm sorry it just makes me kinda mad. And maybe that's a little bit off topic but it's still kinda connected because I feel like those are the same people who say they don't have dysphoria.
"it's not harming anyone" and yet the reason so many transgender teenagers have to wait years upon years to even get seen by the services is because people who a) have no dysphoria or b) don't even have a desire to transition even if they happen to have dysphoria are going to the services set up directly for trans people to transition so they, y'know, don't wake up wanting to fucking die. What angers me the most is when people say non dysphorics don't harm trans people, they do. The waiting lists are sky high, detransitions happen (usually only in America) because people lie to their therapists or just pay for hormones, trans people are seen more and more as a joke because of people like this.
Yeah that's a big problem. In Germany you have to get two indepentent survey's so you'll even be allowed to transition. You have to write a fucking essay about how you grew up as a trans person. It's kinda hard to get through the whole process and that's because some people are just lying. Things could be easier for everybody but no.
I honestly don't know but I feel that if I didn't have dysphoria I could still be trans, you don't have to hate your body to know your no in the right gender. And I think people are getting all mixed up and saying that they just want attention or their bored and wanna do something to pass time. But if they really truly know who they are we should love them for who they are.
bottom line: you absolutely *100%* need dysphoria to be trans, otherwise there'd be *no* reason to transition people who say they don't experience dysphoria but identify as trans are clearly experiencing dysphoria but unaware that it is labelled as such in any case, i appreciate you being respectful, jake
Being male or female does not feel like anything. Authentic identity is not fragile or powerful either. It just is. You are either male or female, simple. Do not fall for gender ideology, this is a religion.
If you wish you could flip back and forth very often over short period of time I suggest researching "genderfluid" and identities under 'multigender'...either way u might be more so under the nonbinary umbrella than the trans umbrella (umbrella as in facet of diff gender identities that fall under the label)
just because someone has a more positive way of viewing their own dysphoria doesn't mean that it isn't still dysphoria, if the gender you were assigned at birth isn't the one you feel most comfortable with, that shows that you have some level of gender dysphoria
Yes! I think that people think of dysphoria as experiencing distress. Some trans people experience gender incongruence without experiencing a high level of distress over it. Dysphoria can be mild to severe. So we need to start recognizing that. Having dysphoria doesn't have to mean experiencing distress. It means that you simply experience gender incongruence which can cause mild discomfort to severe distress. Conservation solved.
I do agree you don't need to hate your body (body dysphoria) or have social discomfort/dysphoria to be trans. However, that mismatch you're describing is the definition of gender dysphoria. The mismatch between your sex and gender is the textbook definition of gender dysphoria, and that's what you said is needed to be trans. So by definition, you need gender dysphoria to be trans. Gender dysphoria can CAUSE body dysphoria and social dysphoria, but it doesn't ALWAYS cause those types of dysphoria. And gender dysphoria doesn't always cause discomfort. It's just the mismatch of gender and sex. TDLR: You need gender dysphoria, which is the psychological state of identifying as anything other than cisgender, but you do NOT need the typical way dysphoria is seen, which is body dysphoria or social dysphoria, which can be CAUSED by gender dysphoria.
Thanks for that video mate! I couldn’t agree more. People just need to chill out and focus on their issues rather then telling other people what to do!
As a non-binary person, I have a weird relationship with my dysphoria bc it’s always fluctuating. Like, sometimes I’m just chill and even happy with my assigned gender. And then sometimes I have dysphoria so strong that it depresses the hell out of me to see my reflection and feel like I’m looking in a funhouse mirror bc i CANT pass as masculine on the days I really want to. But since my dysphoria fluctuates, getting anything done that’s permanent like surgery or hormones won’t help me bc I don’t want to always be seen as a man or a woman. So honestly, my method has been trying to slowly accept my body the way it is and tell myself my body isn’t gendered. It’s been a slow process and been really helping and now I’m actually really comfortable with my chest where as like, 3 years ago I was hurting myself trying to bind bc my chest is too big for me to do that and not have trouble breathing climbing the flight of stairs in my own home. I’m still working being comfortable with my hips and thighs but I’m slowly trying to work on accepting those too bc again, I can’t fix that medically. And probably TMI but I still know I’m non-binary bc I don’t dislike the pants parts I already have but also highkey I wish I somehow had both - and I don’t think cis people want that. So like, idk I feel like the argument that you have to have dysphoria is especially harming to non-binary people who could have a really complicated relationship with it and if they’re fluid like me, they probably already have a lot of doubt they’re trying to deal with bc it’s not constant. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that like, even people with dysphoria have different ways of trying to cope with it. And I get really mad when people are like “you have to be on hormones or want surgery to be trans” or “you have to have body dysphoria” and I’m like, bro, I can’t change myself the way Id want to bc for my non-binary ass to be happy I’d have to be able to change my gender like I change my clothes and also somehow be able to wear both at once. So for me, the only way to actually move forward is try to lessen my dysphoria and people saying you can’t be trans/non-binary without dysphoria honestly makes me feel like they’re saying I can’t do that because once I fully accept my body I’m not non-binary anymore. Like bich, I’m helping my dysphoria by trying to train myself to detach gender associations from my body cus I don’t have any other choice if I don’t want to be miserable. Gate keeping hurts everyone and no one deserves to have their identities doubted when we’re all just trying to take the hands we were dealt and find our path to happiness best we can.
They mean you shouldnt become trans unless you're dysphoric. Trans used to mean when you transitioned but since Stonewall recently changed it to mean how you identify before surgery its caused confusion. Not everyone uses the new definition of trans to mean identity. Most people use it to mean actually changing your sex.
But by definition if you are ‘trans’ you don’t identify with you assigned gender, so if you don’t feel discomfort then you’d feel comfortable with your assigned gender right, otherwise you’d have at least 1 type of dysphoria which leads you to not identify with your assigned gender. I get so confused with this debate
I have been fence-sitting about if I am a trans male or something else mostly because I don't feel dysphoria that often or that strongly as it's shown in memes and stuff, and some folks online say that you have to be dysphoric to be trans. But I have just understood something. Perhaps I don't feel dysphoria because I already commonly pass as a man, surprisingly even when people kinda see my boobs (under clothes ofc) or wide-ish hips - they address me as a guy. I look like a guy without any extra effort. Now if I was forced to wear a dress, or make-up, or present femininely not as a joke - I imagine I would feel miserable. Another thing is that dysphoria can be just toned down by personality traits. For instance, as a cheerful person, I find it hard to be sad for long periods of time. Sometimes I think: "if I was born male, I would be stronger by default, I wouldn't inconveniently bleed every month, I would have a proper cock" etc., but I don't want to let those thoughts bring my mood down as it's simply not worth of it, I would rather go play outside with my friends and laugh instead of feeling pity for myself. So my message to aforementioned folks: maybe those who you call "not trans" just for not feeling upset 24/7 are just, well, happy people? Happy trans people who already pass? Happy trans people who bury ugly dysphoric feelings under the bright greenery of joy? P.S. recently I started addressing myself as male, felt a huge relief, including improved social functioning. I think I am on the right way.
THANK YOU, i find this to be a very extensive, eloquent, and wise take on the topic. be kind to one another. speak kindly. and listen. like seriously, people, don't we have to deal with enough bullshit from *outside* the community already. 💖
I think you do need dysphoria cuz that’s the whole point to transition. I think if everyone thought they didn’t need dysphoria, we’d all think we might be trans lol
But the thing is. If you transition you are trans (this is tangible, visible and objective) so if they say look I transitioned but I don’t have dysphoria. Then how can they magically not be trans ? I know it doesn’t make sense to transition then, but you can, you are allowed. It’s a free country
all i have to say is this, “what someone defines as dysphoria is not dysphoria for another person” you can’t redefine medical terminology? just because i would ‘define’ something as anxiety but someone else doesn’t doesn’t mean it’s ? not anxiety? i just don’t understand what you meant by this or how that makes sense. as for the rest of the video, if you don’t feel it’s right to tell someone what’s wrong or right as far as how they identify or whatever, that’s your choice and i’ll respect that.
I think the main issue with this whole debate is what people label as dysphoria. I agree you don’t have to HATE your body to be trans but that’s only the physical side of dysphoria and I think too many people forget that as you said, there’s more than one type of gender dysphoria. I think you have to have at least SOME discomfort regarding your gender (dysphoria) as you said but I respect that you’re not gonna tell people what they can identify as.
The title is misleading FHHDHS I agree with you on the most part it’s all just language
I agree completely , I'm never going to tell anyone they are not the identity that they are. But I feel like you have to have some type of discomfort with their gender assigned at birth otherwise ... why would you feel the need to transition? (social or phsyicaly or any other type of transition)
But like you said I would never tell someone they are not trans* because at the end of the day it's their life and their decisions and I will respect that
i cannot wrap my head around the idea of someone being fine with their body (pre-transition) claiming they have no physical dysphoria, but still say that they're transgender. it makes no sense.
Dysphoria is literally categorized as distress associated with a disconnect between gender and assigned sex. That’s the definition. The disconnect (trans ness) is its own category. You can have both, or just be trans with no distress by still experiencing a disconnect.
I'm glad someone got the actual point of what I was saying tbh. My argument of 'not needing dysphoria' is actually more like people not labeling their discomfort as dysphoria - which like, each to their own and all that. I just disagree so heavily with people who go out of their way to angrily invalidate other people based on their own opinions. I think we should all just leave each other be and agree that we don't see eye to eye.
When I was first figuring out that I was trans I thought that I didn't have gender disphoria because I didn't know what it meant and how it felt but further on when I understood gender disphoria more, it turned out that I did have gender dysphoria. People can have different 'levels' of disphoria.
I personally am body positive, but I hate all the feminine/female traits.
Honestly same even though I'm still figuring things out.
And that’s totally ok! You don’t have to hate your body or transition in order to be trans.
@@GabS-o1m a lot of trans are being hateful and saying you have to want to transition and dislike your body yo be trans... Just ridiculous, but invalidates nonbinary trans as well
I have the exact same experience and while I find it important that I can classify my discomfort as dysphoria I find it really cool that I can share trans people who have much more severe dysphoria and say “wow I am so glad I haven’t had to go through the pain that they have and I would love to support them in all the small ways I can to make them have less pain and discomfort”
Same Alex
You guys should probably watch the video before commenting tbh
NoahFinnce no
i watched the video. he’s a fucking idiot.
I’m just scrolling though because it’s a habit but I’m gonna regret it
I love you but he is just saying nonsense
yeet Bro that’s not necessary like chill. Just because you don’t agree or understand it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Dysphoria. Is. Not. Hating. Yourself.
it kinda is
For me is lmao (or i maybe just casually hate myself regardless of dysphoria)
Yes it is. Why do you trans tenders try to change everything? We clearly all hate our bodies or we would not want to change. 🤦🏼♀️
there are different types of dysphoria. there are types where you hate yourself and/or body, but not limited to that.
it is. if there are no elements of dysphoria then being trans is simply a life choice
*To everyone giving their logical arguments about why they don't think non-dysphoric trans people exist:* what I got from what Jake said is that their problem is mostly just the way people try to enforce beliefs onto others. I too, and it sounds like Jake as well, can't really understand how it is possible for someone to be a non-dysphoric trans person, but I also strongly believe that it's not my place to come at somebody else for defining themselves in a way that I don't agree with. Bottom line is, even if someone bothers me a bit, I still don't want to cause them any pain by pushing my ideals onto their lifestyle.
*Also, I'm aware that non-dysphoric trans people, as well as people who have detrasitioned due to being mistaken in their identities, pose a threat to cis people's ease of acceptance with trans people as a whole.* Trust me, I am very, VERY personally aware of this issue. I think it's a large part of what keeps my parents from accepting me, their impression that being trans is "trendy" and that lots of people regret transitioning. It makes me angry and it breaks my heart. However, I don't think the correct way to solve this issue is to verbally attack often very young people who already suffer from low self-esteem, depression, rejection, etc. They might already be very vulnerable. So I just can't respect that approach.
oh yeah, non dysphoric trans* people and non-binary people are so AWFUL for the trans* community!!!! i think transphobes like you pose a threat, to all trans* people, no matter if dysphoric and binary or not.
meowverique I have to admit, my opinion one way or the other is not very strong. Mostly I just want everyone to stop yelling at each other. I love and welcome all my trans brothers and sisters, all my nonbinary siblings. I’m a willing ear ready to learn from anyone’s experiences.
Linden Acer well said!
Meowverique
Linden Acer made a very considerate and reasonable comment trying to better define what this TH-camr meant in their video, so why are you coming at them with such an antagonistic attitude and accusing them of being transphobic??? Even in their reply to you they remained sensible and respectful. Can you not also voice your opinion in a civil and rational manner without accusing others of being transphobic?
Shut up I'm not reading that lol
Hey , I love you and I love your content , but without dysphoria you literally have no reason to be trans ? If you don’t feel any kind of disconnect with your gender assigned at birth then there’s no reason to transition ? Like if you’re okay with how you look , feel , and how other people perceive you then why would you transition ? That’s just my opinion
I feel the same way ... but I wouldn't ever tell someone they're not trans bc of the fear of hurting them ... but yeah I agree
I think that's what he means by the issue of definition and language. I think certain people wouldn't label what you just described as dysphoria. Most people only really know about physical dysphoria and to a certain extent, social dysphoria and it's all associated with absolute hatred and disgust and discomfort, not that disconnect with your assigned gender. Obviously people feel some kind of disconnect to their assigned gender or feel that they wouldn't be happy living as their assigned gender but they don't believe it matches up with the definition of dysphoria they've been given. That's my view on it, anyways.
why do you need a reason to be trans? you're either trans or not. also some trans people don't transition ya know
This is such a fucking wide description of dysphoria that anyone uncomfortable with their body qualifies as trans.
Exactly!
*To me it sounded like you believe that you need gender dysphoria* (meaning you’re uncomfortable being seen or referred to as the gender you were assigned at birth) *to be trans and that some people experience that exact same feeling but just don’t call it dysphoria...*
I get that completely, that’s chill, call it what you want but at the same time *it is* still dysphoria. People can accept they have dysphoria but choose not to label it that generally, simply not calling it something doesn’t eradicate the definition.
*For the record there’s no bad blood in this.*
This is just taking what was said & sharing my opinion, Jake’s a great person, not agreeing with him doesn’t mean I now automatically hate the guy. Not sharing an opinion doesn’t mean you have to dislike someone.
*Before anyone comes for me just cause I said I disagree.*
forcing labels on people much huh?
meowverique No, not at all. I literally said that’s fine and you can label it however you want but that deep down you should accept what it is.
As an example, I call my chest just that “my chest”, it makes me wholely uncomfortable to refer to it as “breasts” but I know that logically speaking that’s what it is, I just generally don’t call it that because it makes me uncomfortable. That’s fine. It’s just that there’s not much sense in completely denying you have something when it fits the definition exactly, but that doesn’t mean people have to call it that if they don’t like the label.
This is a good point
The problem is that gender dysphoria is also a medical diagnosis. Not all trans people meet the criteria for said medical condition. And that's what people mean when they say you don't have to experience gender dysphoria to be trans. But yeah, all trans people experience dysphoria towards their assigned gender to some extent, it's just that in some cases it's not damaging enought to qualify as the medical diagnosis.
Yes, but any credible, capable gender specialist will know and recognise what is and isn’t gender dysphoria, however mild or severe, if it falls under the definition it will be diagnosed. If it’s so mild or so that it can’t be diagnosed by a specialist in the field that’s more than likely because it doesn’t fit the definition and the person is confusing a feeling for it.
Obviously there are cases of misdiagnosis, so this could possibly be a factor but if you’re giving your honest experience and explaining your feelings exactly as you are experiencing them and don’t get diagnosed it’s 99.9% gonna be that you don’t have that condition.
Guys hes right! The actual meaning of gender dysphoria is feeling distress and anxiety from it, but the discomfort and misalignment is called gender incongruence!
ty that actually helped me a little 🥺
that actually makes sense, thx for putting it that way! i think i get it now
Meaning the same thing.
Dysphoria is what being trans is???like if you're comfortable with the gender you were assigned at birth, why would you change it? It's like saying Yea I'm schizophrenic. No I've never been diagnosed. No I dont hallucinate. No I dont have a disconnection from society. But I'm schizophrenic because I SAY I AM and you cant tell me I'm not I am valid. You dont need physical dysphoria to be trans but if socially non dysphoric about your birth assigned gender YOU ARE NOT TRANS! AND YES! IT IS HARMFUL TO OTHERS SAYING YOU ARE TRANS WITHOUT DYSPHORIA because you are keeping people who actually ARE DYSPHORIC from transitioning because as a result, nobody takes them seriously. Lastly, when going through the process of taking hormones, A DOCTOR LITERALLY NEEDS TO DIAGNOSE YOU WITH DYSPHORIA. say you were AFAB. You're fine with your body, but SOCIALLY you cannot imagine living life as a female and you feel that you are male. If that is you, congrats toots YOU ARE DYSPHORIC! I said this twice and I'll say it again IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE PRESENTING AS YOUR BIRTH GENDER, YOU HAVE NO REASON TO TRANSITION. YOU ARE NOT TRANS.
Finn Beall ❤️ I wish I could like this comment a hundred times more. This topic makes me so extremely frustrated. And yes; it is extremely hurtful!
okay so I Hope this doesnt come off as rude but i dont think im cis but i dont know if I have dysphoria, i dont dislike my.body as It is but i would like to have flatter chest and use neutral pronouns, and I also feel kinda weird being called a woman or a girl (Im a female assigned at birth) Is that dysphoria ?
@@redacted5078 I'm so sorry I'm late but you might be nb? I'd really suggest you watch a few videos. There's like three types of dysphoria
@@wanderer_808I did more research and Im pretty sure im nb. But thanks for answering!
" IT IS HARMFUL" No it isn't, that's fucking pathetic. Your "birth gender" is literally what you are.
Honestly i don't care if it hurts someones feelings anymore, if you don't have dysphoria you don't need to transition and shouldn't. people who say you can have no dysphoria and still be trans ARE harming the community. partly because they can confuse gender non conforming kids into thinking that gender non conforming means trans. I've legit seen it first hand how not addressing dysphoria as the main cause of being trans can confuse and ultimately harm people. I'm not one of those who writes off non binary people either, as it makes sense to me that you could have non binary gender dysphoria, especially with intersex people, a lot of whom dont know they're intersex.
they're not harming the community, the gatekeepers do
being intersex and enby is not related ffs
Daniel Washburn Say it louder for the people in the back!!!
Gender non conforming is by definition also trans.
You're not what you were assigned at birth cause you're a different gender/have no gender (e.g. being gender non conforming)? That's being trans.
@@arenc4169 gender non conforming means not conforming to gender stereotypes of gender roles. It isn't the same as trans.
I personally agree with the message that you are putting out here, Jake.
Regardless of what your opinion is on this topic, a person's personal autonomy comes before anything else. So whether you think you need dysphoria to be trans or not, you only get to decide whether your own identity is valid. And acting like you get to decide the validity of someone else's identity is incredibly immature, and only adds to the gatekeeping and infighting within the community.
We really need to think about finding the balance between the needs of one's self in the community and the needs of the whole. As Camden suggested one person's actions can and do reflect on the community at large and those actions can have consequences for everyone involved in the said community.
@@sandyg4646 Collective punishment of minorities based on one person. That's called oppression.
@@awwtergirl7040 are you serious?
"It doesn't actually make me feel negative, it's just something that makes me realize it's not quite right and I would be happier and live a more fulfulling live if those things weren't there" accurate description of how I feel about myself.
Why the fuck do people actually believe that you don’t have to have dysphoria to be trans. Pees me off, great vid
I actually have quite a similar opinion on this topic. I don't understand it either how you can be trans but not have dysphoria. Like you need to experience something like a mismatch between your gaab and the gender you identify as. But at the same time, who am I to tell anyone who they are? I'm SO annoyed by gatekeeping. We're a community that isn't fully accepted as valid in our society because people don't UNDERSTAND. But still some of us project this same thing down to people WE don't understand and invalidate them (I'm talking about binary trans people who say nb trans people don't exist, and trans people who experience dysphoria who say people without dysphoria aren't trans). We don't NEED to understand, we just need to accept people for who they are. (Obviously medical treatment should only be given to people who saw a psychiatrist who made sure that there isn't any other psychiatric condition that makes the person think they're trans.)
Samuel bee very week said! I agree
Thank you, verbilized my exact opinion on the matter
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that is so cute I'm actually crying
also congrats
Maggie Ann-Mae ??
This is beautiful
Thank you
Gender euphoria is an interesting addition to this and I think it makes more sense when you realise that this is what some people experience and affirms their transness more than the lack of dysphoria they experience.
Dysphoria isn’t hating your body. It’s that your body doesn’t belong to you. If you have no dysphoria then there is no reason to transition.
Perfectly said
As someone who has pretty “truscum” beliefs I have to say I completely agree with Jake and commend the way he has approached this video. I completely agree. I’ve heard some people say they don’t have dysphoria and when I asked them how they knew they were trans, they quote on quote explained their feelings in what I would call dysphoria. They just didn’t label it that way. I feel every trans person experiences or has experienced “dysphoria”, they just didn’t call it dysphoria because they didn’t like the word or other reasons. All trans people have some sort of social, mental or physical “disconnect” with their biological sex and there is an array of different ways to interpret or language that experience. And that’s the thing it’s all language and semantics and I think getting upset or denying the identity of someone because they don’t use one specific term to describe themselves is silly.
Ash Kaye Whats wrong with using the word “dysphoria” if you feel it? Thats just stupid why would you call it something else
Roman chan I don’t feel there’s anything wrong with it personally. Some people just don’t like to use it to describe what they’re feeling. They may feel it has too much of a negative stigma attached to it idk. That’s them, they’re preference. I don’t give a fuck personally how someone chooses to describe what they’re experiencing or if they want to choose to reject certain words. I just know that regardless of what you call it, it’s something that every trans person experiences and I don’t get why some people get so hell bent out shape and emotional about how someone chooses to describe it.
and again, you don't force labels on people. if they don't call it dysphoria then it's not dysphoria for them. like those people trying to tell others they aren't really bi or some shit.
meowverique So if someone is hallucinating but they don’t want to call it hallucinations, then it shouldn’t be considered hallucinations? What is this logic? Just cause someone doesn’t want to call their feelings dysphoria doesn’t mean that it isn’t dysphoria.
David R
Well said. I like your analogy.
A lot of people who transition dont have dysphoria hence why many transition back. Also I've noticed a lot of people saying you can be trans before you're actually trans. Trans means to have transitioned.
The problem with most people who say that you do need dysphoria is that they forget that some people are confused or because of trauma, fear etc.. can't feel/recognize their feelings. By saying "you need it or you're not trans" they confuse even more, block and hurt people who are still trying to find out who they are. Even more when these people grew up in transphobic community and so, never even heard of the word "dysphoria" and have a wrong definition. It just hurt, you feel more confused, you try to hold on but just feel bullied and misunderstood by people that you thought would support you. I'm not talking only about me, some of my friends experienced de same problem. Is it really gonna change anything in your life if you "prove" that someone isn't trans without even knowing them? I thought we were better than that.
I saw a tweet a couple weeks ago that was absolutely brilliant about this: "I don't understand Korean, but I still know it's real."
Flynn Bantau yes but this isn’t a language
@@b0illin_mud0ne79 well no, but it applies to lots of things. Korean was just one example. It could apply to quantum physics, how a car engine works, childbirth, anxiety disorders............... Just because one doesn't understand something, that doesn't mean it's automatically not real, same goes for gender
Flynn Bantau you do have to know that saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans is harmful to the community. I don’t just not understand it, I resent it
@@b0illin_mud0ne79 how is that harmful?
Flynn Bantau people will think that it’s a choice. I saw this post where this person’s mom looked up something about trans people and saw a video of someone saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans. Their mom took that as “oh so it’s a choice” and used that information to be transphobic to her son. This shit happens. It’s very harmful. When I’m telling people you need dysphoria I’m not trying to be mean or anything but I’m just trying to make shit like this clear
*struggles not to look at the comments*
Honestly, when people say they're trans and don't experience dysphoria, I just assume that their definition of dysphoria is more specific than mine and move on. Haven't really had to worry about any of it, cause I have basically every kind of dysphoria possible, lol.
I think you can be trans without dysphoria because you could experience gender euphoria instead (obviously you can experience both but this is about no dysphoria). If you don’t hate your body but feel a lot a happier when it’s different (eg binding) then that’s euphoria. If you are fine with your assigned pronouns but feel happier being called different ones, that’s euphoria. And in the end, it all comes down to what you feel in your mind. If you are a trans person who feels euphoria not dysphoria, you are privileged in the trans community. You can identify and present how you like, and spread awareness that a lot of trans people DO feel dysphoria. Tell people your pronouns and say that you don’t feel dysphoric if they get it wrong, but that a lot of trans people DO.
As long as you respect people who do feel dysphoria, then I like you. End of conversation.
I personally feel that if you do not experience gender dysphoria then there is no reason to transition. I feel like having ‘gender dysphoria’ and being ‘transgender’ are interchangeable and one cannot exist without the other.
Consider: Being unable to see means that you need glasses, if you can see perfectly fine... don’t wear glasses.
Thank god someone said it that's exactly how I feel about this topic. Im okay to leave people who wanna identify a certain way. I'd never tell someone they weren't something because I disagree. The argument with religion is a perfect example because everyone has to respect peoples religions in society even if they don't believe them.
exactly. i hate people who try to force labels on people.
@@misfitrmdiqpiq y can't people just let people be its there fault if they make a fool of themselves I only care about me and my friends. As long as we are respected idc about transtender people
i identify as a rasin.
Exactly. Very well said. I feel the same. I don't see how you could be trans and not have dysphoria, but that doesn't mean there aren't people like that out there. Doesn't mean there are either, but I just don't understand how people could claim that they don't exist when that's hard to prove. It's why I'm agnostic and not atheist. I don't understand how God could exist, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't, just because I can't understand it. The universe is such a complicated place, and it's not *my* place to claim things are a certain way without hard evidence to back it up.
Because many doctors dont care of you have dysphoria before making you trans.
"Words fail us. Feelings are more important when looking at this" Well said, Jake.
I think you have to have dysphoria to be trans. Because if u don’t have dysphoria then u don’t feel as the opposite gender therefore have no reason to transition making u cis. But I do think u can love your body when trans, I just think u need some form of dysphoria
If you’re saying you don’t need dysphoria to be trans, you’re implying that being trans is a choice. That’s a very hurtful mentality to actual trans people.
What about euphoria and cross-gender identification? I don't have to dislike my current state (dysphoria) to prefer another state (euphoria). I don't need to want something to be true "I wish god weren't real" to know it isn't true "god isn't real". I might even wish god were real but I still can't force myself to believe. I can send you a 3-page paper I wrote on this.
@@6iaZkMagW7EFs I completely agree with you. I wrote this comment years ago and I disagree with it now. Thanks for replying so I can remember to delete it
To the overwhelming amount of people in the comments who dont seem to understand anything at all... *NOT ALL TRANS PEOPLE CAN OR EVEN WANT TO PHYSICALLY TRANSITION. MEDICAL TRANSITION IS NOT A NECESSARY PART OF BEING TRANS*
Luis Vaughan I disagree in a way. I feel like if you identify as trans and physically cannot receive treatment (hormones,surgery,therapy) due to medical issues or a lack of resources. You are still valid.
But if you don't want any kind of treatment even when it's available? Nah.
If you're trans and don't want to transition. You should probably think it over a little more.
@@radiocure5459 deciding weather or not to physically transition is a very personal thing. You have no idea why a trans person might decide not to. Doesnt make them not trans.
there’s a reason it’s called TRANSgender,,,,,,y’know.....TRANSition.....fucking idiot...
@@onge1273 social transition is a thing
Nope. Transgender - adjective - denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.
"because guess what, I don't have the right to do that"
yes Jake 👏👏👏
Need dysphoria to be trans
I personally do think you need dysphoria to be trans but that’s based on the research done (male brain vs female brain kind of thing) and my own understanding of gender and being trans from a dysphoric perspective. Like you said, I just don’t understand how or why someone would identify as trans if they don’t even have a bit of social dysphoria. But that’s also just my opinion and not something I force onto other people or non-dysphoric people. I believe being respectful is more important than identity politics. Non-dysphoric people haven’t infringed on my life in any way or stopped me from transitioning so I’ll stay out of their way as well.
hey I pretty much agree with you but the thing about male and female brains being different (I think that's what you're saying??) has been disproven - www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds. a quote if you cba to read it all- The majority of the brains were a mosaic of male and female structures.
Non dysphorics have pushed back my transition.... Just because they don't affect you doesn't mean they don't fuck over anyone else. I had to wait another full 8 months in order to get hormones.... I didn't get hormones until I was 20, and I knew I was trans since I was 12 and I came out at 14. I suffered for awhile.
SkinNYmini just curious, how is it non dysphoric people's fault that your transition got pushed back? Like, im just wondering how it would have anything to do with them.
found the transphobe
@@LuisVaughan44 because non dysphorics sue and hurt the psychologist/therapist who diagnosed them so in order for it to not happen again they make the processes of diagnosing longer for other future patients. I was one of those patients whose process was lengthened.
I didn't really experience dysphoria, but I did experience some social dysphoria?
That's still valid
So, short answer is you actually do
I don't identify as having dysphoria because I don't fit the criteria for gender dysphoria, but I am trans. I will copy-paste from a website that has the diagnostic criteria for it (at least according to the DSM V, which is what my country uses):
Gender Incongruence (in Adolescents or Adults)
A. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration, as manifested by 2* or more of the following indicators:
1. a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or, in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
2. a strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or, in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
3. a strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
4. a strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
5. a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
6. a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
For me, I only have 2 of these things. The letter A. and the number 1. Everything else, I don't identify with. People say, hey, you don't have to have all of these stereotypical strong feelings about needing certain parts or needing to look a certain way or present a certain way! Well. It does seem that way according to this definition. "Strong desire" is the important part of this. I've never had such a "strong desire". So by my own experience, because I only have A. and not 2 or more of the rest of the symptoms, I don't feel comfortable saying I have gender dysphoria. I am still trans, I am still transitioning, and I will continue transitioning in the future. I know that I rather my life now than go back, and I wouldn't go back. But not because of some "strong desire". It's because this is who I am.
One thing I will not tolerate is people saying that I'm not trans enough or people like me are not trans enough. Bump all of that. I don't dislike my body, but I've been changing it and will continue to change it because that is me living my truth. And I don't have to experience discomfort to change my body. It's like saying no one can feel just okay. You can only feel extreme happiness! Or very sad. Or incredibly angry. And if you feel happy tomorrow and claimed to feel okay yesterday, that means that the day before when you were feeling okay was a negative feeling. The world isn't black and white, or binary. To say that me living my truth is a lie, is so disrespectful. We all have a trans experience, although different. Just let people be themselves ★ some of y'all in the comments need to chill.
Also, some people are saying, go to a professional and they will tell you whether you are trans or not!
...professionals, especially in the mental health field, give you their educated opinion. and at the end of the day, it is an opinion. I've been to many, many professionals about this, all saying different things about me. From saying I'm lying for attention to transitioning seems to be the only thing that will help you. And even professionals that would say things that you'd never in a million years say to a questioning and vulnerable youth. professionals are not the end all be all of validating the trans experience, and certainly not central to validating the trans experience. that comes from us as trans people.
Like how a person doesn't need to feel discomfort over being right- or left- handed, or ambidextrious. It can be a consequence that people would feel discomfort, especially when you're left-handed living in a mostly right-handed world. but the discomfort is not necessary. you were right- or left-handed the moment you realized that putting something in your nondominant hand, it just wasn't who you were. it doesn't need to cause pain or distress to any capacity. it's just hey. i can't do this. and if you're ambidextrious and/or you're able to switch hands doing different tasks, the lines aren't as clear. and to reduce those people to be right-handed is denying their experience, just because it doesn't match your personal experience
You need dysphoria to be trans
@@torrinashley6076 wow that was a pretty whatever response. Thanks, I suppose
This is gonna piss of so many people but I really don't care anymore
As a dysphoric trans-masc person, I don't think you need it. You can have a disconnection between your assigned gender at birth, but not have the distress accompanied by it. Gender Incongruence is the disconnect, and gender dysphoria is defined by significant distress.
I don't understand what it is like to be trans without gender dysphoria. I don't know what it's like. I don't understand non-dysphoric trans people, but do I think they don't exist? No. I don't understand what it's like to be schizophrenic, but schizophrenic people exist.
I've seen multiple non-dysphoric trans people transition and be happy and not regret it. They don't choose to be trans, just like a dysphoric trans person doesn't.
This video is very well worded in my opinion. Non-dysphoric trans people aren't harming you, you're just a dick. Proudly lgb or t people who are happy with being loud and proud aren't hurting you or "making the community look like a joke."
it's not "trenders" that's why transphobes hate us. Do you think transphobes know anything about the dysphoria debate or what a transmed or a tucute is? No. They don't care. They hate us BECAUSE WERE TRANS.
They see videos like this and think we all are trans tenders.
I will always be a strong believer that a person needs gender dysphoria to be trans, however people experience gender dysphoria in several different ways and there isn’t a one size fits all
Thank you so much for this, Jake. I have so far not seen any other person phrasing their opinion on the topic this respectfully. Personally I do not really understand why it is a debate in the first place, and I don't usually mind debates, but this one has turned more into people attacking each other and you didn't do that, which is a relief. I just feel like you tackled it really well and it makes me glad. Sorry for rambling
Thank you, I've currently questioning myself for a second time, the first identifying as a bigendered person. But the more and more that I think about it, the more and more I think I'm a guy. I mean I've used the he/him pronoun online for almost three years now, and I feel good when someone actually calls me a he/him when they know biologically I'm not. I'm comfortable with my body (besides that I'd rather have short hair, and maybe different lower parts, but yeah), my boobs don't give me most of my dysphoria, and generally ignore them (except when they get in the way). I still don't know what to do...
I thought I was bigender for awhile and had the same experience, but I realized over time that for me it was that I liked the attention I got as a 'girl' and how special I felt I was being treated. I also was uncomfortable 24/7 even when I wasn't being catcalled. Then as I started to transition and decided I'd rather be comfortable than complemented I realized that I was a guy and that I was trying to make my identity more appealing to those around me who wouldn't take it well. But when I did I felt so much better and more confident and it's amazing.
Like I said this was just my experience, but I hope you get to figure yourself out and be happy.
maybe you're a demiboy?
So now the oppression Olympics has moved up a gear to " What level of dysphoria you have" .. Next in the NPC dictionary will be Dys-Trans and Dys+Trans. " Oh Bob is so Privileged she is only Dys-Cis-Trans.. I'm Dys-Dat-Trans fat. I win the Opression Olympics Gold this week"..
I love it when trans masculine peeps don't push their beliefs on others and are being considerate. You legit see who grew up in an accepting environment and who had conservative relatives or friends who didn't take them seriously and it traumatised them to the extent that it's now their mission to make trans community to be 'taken seriously' by putting down anyone who doesn't live up to their standards. They are desperately seeking approval from transphobes, trying to distance from the most marginalised and vulnerable within the community. It is absolutely trauma based. I just think we should let them, because truly I think people only care about the subject because they're being loud and obnoxious. I will still fight for their rights, even if they deny mine.
Who am I to say who's trans and who's not? Let them work on discovering themselves!
I totally agree, thank you for making a video on this (I don't really get how someone could be trans without dysphoria, but I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone how they feel or identify is wrong)
Even when they are acting irrational and probably going to hurt themselves and the trans community? Just look at the Keira bell nonsense.
"YOU DONT NEED DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS"
continues to explain that you do need dysphoria just not an extreme amount. Yeah, we know. Thanks for the clickbait
Doctors shouldnt make anyone trans unless they have dysphoria but these days they tend to offer trans surgery at the drop of a hat.
@@DarkAngel2512 Doctors don't make people trans, they just diagnose gender dysphoria if someone's trans so they can get hormones, surgery, etc.
@@free_h2o142 I think you've misunderstood. Yes, doctors diagnose gender dysphoria but doctors as in surgeons make someone trans. I'm going by the actual defintion of trans and not the recent activist definitions. Trans as in a person who transitions their sex through gender reassignment surgery. A person isn't trans until theyve transtioned no matter how much activists and infiltrates at Stonewall try to implement new defintions. Trans comes from the transitioning of your physical gender.
@@DarkAngel2512 There is no such thing as an 'actual definition'. Words have evolved since their invention. However, I believe in subjective language, so your definition isn't really 'wrong' either. That being said, I think that the more recent definition of trans is more useful and relevant in the world we live in. I myself identify as trans. I am biologically female, I have lived as male for five years and I've been on testosterone for over two years. If you think I'm not really trans because I haven't had GRS, I think nothing of that except that its a little strange and undeniably outdated.
@@free_h2o142 if you're living as the opposite sex and are on medication you fall under trans as you are taking medication that has altered your body and brain. People who just say "hey, I'm a man" are not trans as there is nothing discernable to show that. You I assume sound like a man or are able to grow facial.hair and build more muscle. You have transtioned, unlike those who simply "say" they are the opposite sex. Those guys haven't transitioned one bit.
My "dysphoria" for example i dont mind my chest when im alone but when im with others i hide it and im not any less trans for that
Well said.
As a transman, my opinions on other people’s dysphoria, is simply that - my opinion. And my own experiences with dysphoria, are simply my own my own experiences. I don’t care how someone identifies or what they wear to express how they identify. And I won’t judge another person by their experiences (or lack of) with dysphoria. If all someone wants to do is live socially as the gender they identify as and don’t feel the need for anything medical, because they don’t experience dysphoria, that’s fine. My personal opinion on whether they are trans or not, doesn’t matter.
gender👏euphoria👏is👏fucking👏valid
And also can be a *really* good identifier of whether you're trans or not, that's how I started seriously questioning my gender
im extremely happy you went into the different types of dysphoria right off the bat! i feel that most videos on this topic only focus on body dysphoria, but heck, its not that simple XD
What’s the point in the word transgender if someone experiences no gender dysphoria?
the comments on this video are disgusting. no one here has any right to dictate what people can or can't identify as. if someone is trans, they're trans, whether they experience dysphoria or not.
I’m uncomfortable with being referred to as male or female, but I’m fine with my body. Is that dysphoric or not?
You need dysphoria to be trans. Without dysphoria your basically playing dress up.
thank you for sharing this. your opinions are mine exactly. i think people getting worked up on either side comes from a place of insecurity. i don’t really know what i believe but i’m comfortable enough with myself that it doesn’t matter that much. i’ll accept anyone who feels they belong.
social dysphoria is literally based on social roles though, like you can’t be diagnosed with social dysphoria alone because of how broad social dysphoria is, in that it can be caused by sexism, gender roles, homophobia, etc. It’s more to do with gender non-conformity rather than the distress with biological sex characteristics and ICD at least makes this very clear that they are different and you must show signs having distress with sex characteristics. if these are both going to be labelled as trans then there needs to be a VERY clear distinction between the two. Body dysphoria is the result of a mismatch between your biological sex and gender, whereas social dysphoria is an issue with societal roles and how people are socially perceived... often experienced by gender non-conforming people. Pretty much all trans ppl experience social dysphoria because of how we’re not being perceived as the gender we feel more comfortable with, which often is attaching an idea of masculinity or femininity to a gender. For example, I had social dysphoria over my pronouns and clothes because I wasn’t being perceived as what society views as a man (masculine, he pronouns) but without those labels and assumptions you’re left with nothing but body dysphoria. When I transitioned, feminine clothes and she pronouns don’t bother me because I’m comfortable with myself as a man due to finally having hormones. I don’t believe being trans is socially constructed, so that’s why I don’t believe that you can be trans with social dysphoria alone. it’s true you can be unaware of your body dysphoria, while experiencing social dysphoria, but this is aimed more at people who have an issue with society rather than the mismatch with their gender and bodies. they’re completely different imo; regarding people with no dysphoria at all, I just don’t believe that’s possible in the slightest. There’s a criteria to having gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria = trans. If you didn’t need dysphoria to be trans, why do the majority of people experience it? Are trans people who experience dysphoria experiencing it because of something else? Our dysphoria doesn’t come from nowhere, it’s apparent because of our gender and brain mismatch. It just seems bizarre to me that anyone would believe you don’t need dysphoria to be trans, when it’s a medical condition with literal signs to it. everything has a criteria, you can’t just be something without any sort of official criteria but your own subjective feeling.
Jake- you express your opinion in such an articulate and intelligent manner, thank you for this! I really enjoyed you talking about this issue- one that I am actively trying to educate myself on as the debate continues- I am very much interested in your merch when my payday comes because i miss seeing your lovely face at work so much, I need myself a Jakey polaroid!! Lots of love, Abbey xxxx
Yesss boy. Honestly I stopped arguing with the people that say you can't be trans without dysphoria because basically they say anything and everything is dysphoria. But they still say dysphoria is a mental illness. I really don't get how you can say gender euphoria means you have dysphoria and then say gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That's not what a mental illness is.
They get so caught up in "tHE bRain sCieNCe" and refuse to stop and think that people may have different experiences and different language for those experiences.
You're just stating your opinion because that's all it is. There is no authority that unequivocally decides who is trans and who isn't. Honestly loved the vid.
Thanks for this Jake.
I’m just here because I love you... being educated about trans issues is a byproduct and I’m totally happy with that 💜
You're watching the wrong person if you wanna be educated about trans issues.
@@kaiwildsmith4731 Let them watch
This makes me feel so much better. Because I don't have body dysphoria, which I've seen every trans person I've been around have, but I have a lot of social dysphoria. I told my bf last night that I just wished that people would view me as a man but not have to go through surgery or hormones because I don't feel like I need that. I don't hate my body, I'm just a guy. I had a lot of dysphoria at the beginning of me realizing I was trans, but that was mainly because I felt horrible with my body in general, and realizing I was trans just made that already existing dysphoria worse.
just rolled my eyes into the back of my skull
I recently came out as a trans boy and I have body dysphoria bc I hate looking like a girl when I don’t feel like one and I also have social dysphoria bc hate being called a girl. It makes me so mad when people say that u have to have body dysphoria AND social dysphoria to be trans. U can have both or one. Or none of u feel that way. As long u are not harming anyone or forcing ur opinions on people and very happy with ur identity then u do u fren. I completely agree with him and I want everyone to get along and love each other in this community instead of attacking each other💖🖤 I hope that at least SoMeOnE agrees😅
“Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. In this case, the assigned sex and gender do not match the person's gender identity, and the person is transgender.”
THANKS JAKE ilysm for calling out this abhorrent thing going on in the community rn 💕 Too many trans people, usually teens finding certain trans youtbers, have been very ugly toward other trans people over this. :/
I stand with you jake, even if there are so many hate comments on this video. I believe trans people can be without dysphoria because they can instead have gender euphoria. Keep doing you!
Then why would they want to change...? This makes no sense!
@@silver4831 there’s a video on yt which is called do you need dysphoria to be trans and it talks about gender euphoria. I am a trans person who doesn’t fully experience gender dysphoria and I am valid
@@silver4831 it’s like you could just keep your body the way it is but you could feel even better in a new body that fits your gender identity
@@slenderchorley-3570 Then that's a level of dysphoria. I feel people just want to avoid the terms sometimes.
i feel exactly the same way. as a trans man who has dysphoria i can't conceptualise how a person without dysphoria could be trans, or why they would identity that way if they don't but i also don't want to tell anybody what they can or can't do or tell them their identity is wrong. like you said, language around these topics is inexact, it can lead to a lot of confusion and miscommunication in these discussions. i also certainly don't want to create an environment where people feel they have to prove their trans-ness and fit certain definitions and words. so while i don't understand how a person with no dysphoria of any type could be trans, I'm not going to go out of my way to make anybody who says they fit this category feel unwelcome, or question them in any way. if people say they identify a certain way we should just believe them. as far as i can tell the existence of people identifying this way isn't harming anybody. what is harming the entire trans community is all the identity policing that makes many people in an already vulnerable person question themselves further. we don't need that kind of toxicity in our own community when there's already so much directed at us from outside the community. it's not healthy or sustainable.
this video helped me understand a bit more why some of my friends don't think you need dysphoria to be trans. i don't really agree with them, but its such a brain fuzz to even talk about
... yes you do.
You have to have some level of dysphoria to be transgender. Otherwise doctors wouldn't be evaluating trans people or they wouldn't need to see a Gender therapist. most Trans folk go to a therapist to ask for help on ways that they can relive their dysphoria. Also doctor's would just be giving out hormones to anyone who identifies as Trans because of how they feel.
You just worded my exact thoughts and feelings on this topic in one video, thank you 👌🏻
Gatekeeping makes me so confused and frustrated. I don’t have time to repress and hate other people simply for not understanding their identity, I don’t have time to waste my time on that. Well said!
this comment section is a fun one jesus. I love the video, and completely agree Jake!
I just wanted to say thanks. I've been asking this question a lot lately. I think there is probably a better label for gender non conforming people than trans, but that label is only found through the kindness of people who are willing to show the way. These people are a minority of a minority of a minority, but I appreciate you giving them some space.
“trans” includes binary and non-binary trans people! Anyone whose gender isn’t what they were assigned at birth. I think a lot of people who say they don’t have dysphoria but are gender non-conforming are probably that (gender non-conforming: GNC) but if they’re medically and/or socially transitioning with a new name, new pronouns, etc. and they feel like “trans” is right for them, I’m all for it! I’m a non-binary trans person with physical and social dysphoria. I’m on T & have had top surgery, so a lot of my body dysphoria is gone, but unfortunately not all of it. I’ve never met another trans person who said they didn’t have any dysphoria at all, personally, but I accept that everyone’s experience is different, and we can’t know what it’s like to be in someone else’s mind
i feel like the "discomfort" word to define something like this is a little vague. cisgender people and transgender people can feel discomfort with their bodies but that does not equal dysphoria. people often times feel dscomfort with my weight, trans or cis, but that does not qualify for "dysphoria". now, if a person feels dysphoria because their hips are too wide to be seen as male, and they feel REALLY negative about it because they can not connect with that part of their body, identity and gender, then yes, it is dysphoria at some level. so, in that context we can uderstand that wanting to loose weight to look slimmer and wanting to loose weight because of a characteristic of you body that does not match your identity and genrder are COMPLETELY different. we MUST use the right terms for everything, it's important t get the right message out there and not confuse people.
plus, dysphoria is not only physical dysphoria, so you MUST have social dysphoria to be trans, because if you don't feel a disconnect with your birth pronuns and name, then there is no way you can identify as the opposite gender.
hopefully i don't come across as rude because that was not my goal, i just want people to understand the differences between somthings
all jokes aside There’s a few holes in your argument
For one dysphoria” is also a vague word because the literal definition of dysphoria is “a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.” Which literally anybody in the world can experience It is not a trans specific term, trans people don’t own it. Hence “gender dysphoria” which definition includes a “disconnect”.
Also You can be ok with your name and still be trans, the concept of gendered names is socially constructed. Where I’m from Ashley and Leslie are male names.....
its not vague because we are obviously talking about gender dysphoria, not everyone can experiences gender dysphoria, ONLY trans people can. yes, we know that names are socially constructed but that lays on the social dysphoria part. i mean, if some people have a gender neutral name then it is understandable why they do not have this disconnect with that part of themselves. but if you are a trans guy and your birth name was "sarah" or "emily" then, yes, there is a 99% chance you will feel the dysphoria in that case. gender is a huge part of our society as well, so taking as an argument that not all people feel the disconnect with the name JUST because it's socially constructed, is completely ironical when the social aspect of our lives is part of our identities (trans or cis) and it's important to understand that.
all jokes aside - [x] Before I start I just want to say I’m not arguing with you, just having a conversation and maybe shedding a light on a different view.
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- [ ] “Disconnect” isn’t vague when it’s obvious we’re talking about gender either. That was my argument with your first post about we need to only use the word “dysphoria” to explain the trans experience. Both the terms disconnect and dysphoria are vague on their own. My entire point is everything boils down to preferential language. To me the definition of transgender is someone who on some level experiences a disconnect with their biological sex. Whether that be physically, socially etc. Someone might experience this disconnect but due to personal preference choose not to label it “dysphoria” for whatever reason. I’m personally not going to tell that person they’re not trans based on what language they choose to label their experience.
As a point on names. Because names are socially based, what is considered a female or male name is based on culture and the country you live in. I’m going to assume you’re North American so your experience may make sense based on where you live. I see things differently because I’m from an African country and the name my parents gave me is gender neutral/more male in my parents country however in western countries (where I live now) it’s coded as heavily female. As in you probably couldn’t even imagine a male having this name yet many do where from. So some people may live in a place where someone wouldn’t blink an eye at Sarah for a male, who is anyone to tell this person that they should dislike their name based on social standards. Because it’s socially constructed Society could easily today decide Emily and Sarah are perfectly ok names for boys, mothers could easily name their sons Laura and Lisa and soon people will be used to them as male or unisex names. So it’s a very shaky foundation to base authenticity of trans identity on. Though I do see where your point comes from. Trans people change their names for a hole bunch of reasons including safety and I understand how trying to navigate the USA as a man names Mellisa currently would be difficult, all I’m saying is I wouldn’t be quick to judge a dude who wants to keep his name “Stacy”, not everyone experiences dysphoria the same for different reasons and culture may be one of them.
Also where I’m from there’s no such thing as pronouns - as in gendered pronouns, it’s all neutral. So the concept of birth pronouns makes me laugh. I’m just saying that things aren’t black and white and there’s shade of grey. I’m just not gonna stress myself on how others live their lives and what they call themselves I guess.
So here's the TRUE answer to this whole debate. You do need dysphoria to be trans. Its just that the suicide inducing, overstimulating and terrifying kind isnt needed for you to be valid. Wanting to "live as a woman/man/adult" isn't what makes you trans, its rather the aspect of how your current identity feels to you, and how comfortable you are in it.
I totally agree, I’m not sure where I stand on this debate but I do kind of feel uncomfortable when people say that you need dysphoria to be trans, and I think that more of an issue with gatekeeping. I think it’s a great mindset to have to know that you can’t tell people what they can or can’t do/be!
Tea With Teddy facts over feelings bro
i disagree with some of this video but thanks for sharing your opinion with everyone💖💖
Legit my exact thoughts, I disagree with his opinion but guy’s a really nice, great person.
Idk why in today’s world so many people think that having conflicting opinions means you have to automatically hate each other.
Woah what?! A nice, polite comment agreeing to disagree without further discourse? I think I found the saints of the internet ‘cause that’s not what the rest of the comments are like. Thank you for actually being decent human beings!
I will happily share my side of an argument and have a discussion with someone about it respectfully, things can get pretty heated tbh but as soon as there are insults thrown or it becomes immature I’m out lmao.
They said you need Gender Dysphoria to be trans, not Body Dysphoria lmfaooooo
You say "if they're not harming anyone what's the issue" so what do you think about people that create crazy genders they seem to identify with? Because here's my problem. And sorry if that's kinda mean but I feel like those people harm the trans-community because we're not being taken seriously by other people. People make fun of trans people because some people on the internet think being trans is some kind of trend and they need to create crazy genders. I hate labels in general but why don't you just explain how you feel instead of create 500 genders and expect people to learn about them? I don't get it I'm sorry it just makes me kinda mad. And maybe that's a little bit off topic but it's still kinda connected because I feel like those are the same people who say they don't have dysphoria.
"it's not harming anyone" and yet the reason so many transgender teenagers have to wait years upon years to even get seen by the services is because people who a) have no dysphoria or b) don't even have a desire to transition even if they happen to have dysphoria are going to the services set up directly for trans people to transition so they, y'know, don't wake up wanting to fucking die. What angers me the most is when people say non dysphorics don't harm trans people, they do. The waiting lists are sky high, detransitions happen (usually only in America) because people lie to their therapists or just pay for hormones, trans people are seen more and more as a joke because of people like this.
Yeah that's a big problem. In Germany you have to get two indepentent survey's so you'll even be allowed to transition. You have to write a fucking essay about how you grew up as a trans person. It's kinda hard to get through the whole process and that's because some people are just lying. Things could be easier for everybody but no.
Agreed!!
@@raven9091 in England you need therapy sessions (if you go private), but if you go on the NHS, it's like a three year waiting to be even seen.
found the transphobe who's hates non-binary people. you are a threat to our trans* community.
Watch 👏 the 👏 whole 👏 video 👏 before 👏 commenting!!
Tea With Teddy with something so stupid, nah
' juste because i don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist'
Fuck yeah/thank you/ily
I honestly don't know but I feel that if I didn't have dysphoria I could still be trans, you don't have to hate your body to know your no in the right gender. And I think people are getting all mixed up and saying that they just want attention or their bored and wanna do something to pass time. But if they really truly know who they are we should love them for who they are.
bottom line: you absolutely *100%* need dysphoria to be trans, otherwise there'd be *no* reason to transition
people who say they don't experience dysphoria but identify as trans are clearly experiencing dysphoria but unaware that it is labelled as such
in any case, i appreciate you being respectful, jake
What if you're indifferent and don't feel completely Male or female? Like if I could I would flip back and forth between genders.
Being male or female does not feel like anything. Authentic identity is not fragile or powerful either. It just is. You are either male or female, simple. Do not fall for gender ideology, this is a religion.
If you wish you could flip back and forth very often over short period of time I suggest researching "genderfluid" and identities under 'multigender'...either way u might be more so under the nonbinary umbrella than the trans umbrella (umbrella as in facet of diff gender identities that fall under the label)
just because someone has a more positive way of viewing their own dysphoria doesn't mean that it isn't still dysphoria, if the gender you were assigned at birth isn't the one you feel most comfortable with, that shows that you have some level of gender dysphoria
If you don’t feel any discomfort with your birth gender you’re 👏not👏trans👏
YOU ARE MY ICON I LOVE YOU SO MUCH JAKE YOU ARE THE BEST HOOMAN
YES JAKE! This video is fucking perfect You are so great honestly ❤️
Jay Peg nah
Yes! I think that people think of dysphoria as experiencing distress. Some trans people experience gender incongruence without experiencing a high level of distress over it. Dysphoria can be mild to severe. So we need to start recognizing that. Having dysphoria doesn't have to mean experiencing distress. It means that you simply experience gender incongruence which can cause mild discomfort to severe distress. Conservation solved.
I do agree you don't need to hate your body (body dysphoria) or have social discomfort/dysphoria to be trans.
However, that mismatch you're describing is the definition of gender dysphoria. The mismatch between your sex and gender is the textbook definition of gender dysphoria, and that's what you said is needed to be trans. So by definition, you need gender dysphoria to be trans. Gender dysphoria can CAUSE body dysphoria and social dysphoria, but it doesn't ALWAYS cause those types of dysphoria. And gender dysphoria doesn't always cause discomfort. It's just the mismatch of gender and sex.
TDLR: You need gender dysphoria, which is the psychological state of identifying as anything other than cisgender, but you do NOT need the typical way dysphoria is seen, which is body dysphoria or social dysphoria, which can be CAUSED by gender dysphoria.
So basically you are saying that you need dysphoria but don't need to hate your body or feel social discomfort, which I do agree with!!
@@shimmerwolfarts Yes, bc here we don't stan self loathing we stan good self esteem and self love.
Thanks for that video mate! I couldn’t agree more. People just need to chill out and focus on their issues rather then telling other people what to do!
As a non-binary person, I have a weird relationship with my dysphoria bc it’s always fluctuating. Like, sometimes I’m just chill and even happy with my assigned gender. And then sometimes I have dysphoria so strong that it depresses the hell out of me to see my reflection and feel like I’m looking in a funhouse mirror bc i CANT pass as masculine on the days I really want to. But since my dysphoria fluctuates, getting anything done that’s permanent like surgery or hormones won’t help me bc I don’t want to always be seen as a man or a woman. So honestly, my method has been trying to slowly accept my body the way it is and tell myself my body isn’t gendered. It’s been a slow process and been really helping and now I’m actually really comfortable with my chest where as like, 3 years ago I was hurting myself trying to bind bc my chest is too big for me to do that and not have trouble breathing climbing the flight of stairs in my own home. I’m still working being comfortable with my hips and thighs but I’m slowly trying to work on accepting those too bc again, I can’t fix that medically. And probably TMI but I still know I’m non-binary bc I don’t dislike the pants parts I already have but also highkey I wish I somehow had both - and I don’t think cis people want that. So like, idk I feel like the argument that you have to have dysphoria is especially harming to non-binary people who could have a really complicated relationship with it and if they’re fluid like me, they probably already have a lot of doubt they’re trying to deal with bc it’s not constant.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that like, even people with dysphoria have different ways of trying to cope with it. And I get really mad when people are like “you have to be on hormones or want surgery to be trans” or “you have to have body dysphoria” and I’m like, bro, I can’t change myself the way Id want to bc for my non-binary ass to be happy I’d have to be able to change my gender like I change my clothes and also somehow be able to wear both at once. So for me, the only way to actually move forward is try to lessen my dysphoria and people saying you can’t be trans/non-binary without dysphoria honestly makes me feel like they’re saying I can’t do that because once I fully accept my body I’m not non-binary anymore. Like bich, I’m helping my dysphoria by trying to train myself to detach gender associations from my body cus I don’t have any other choice if I don’t want to be miserable. Gate keeping hurts everyone and no one deserves to have their identities doubted when we’re all just trying to take the hands we were dealt and find our path to happiness best we can.
They mean you shouldnt become trans unless you're dysphoric. Trans used to mean when you transitioned but since Stonewall recently changed it to mean how you identify before surgery its caused confusion. Not everyone uses the new definition of trans to mean identity. Most people use it to mean actually changing your sex.
But by definition if you are ‘trans’ you don’t identify with you assigned gender, so if you don’t feel discomfort then you’d feel comfortable with your assigned gender right, otherwise you’d have at least 1 type of dysphoria which leads you to not identify with your assigned gender. I get so confused with this debate
I have been fence-sitting about if I am a trans male or something else mostly because I don't feel dysphoria that often or that strongly as it's shown in memes and stuff, and some folks online say that you have to be dysphoric to be trans. But I have just understood something. Perhaps I don't feel dysphoria because I already commonly pass as a man, surprisingly even when people kinda see my boobs (under clothes ofc) or wide-ish hips - they address me as a guy. I look like a guy without any extra effort. Now if I was forced to wear a dress, or make-up, or present femininely not as a joke - I imagine I would feel miserable. Another thing is that dysphoria can be just toned down by personality traits. For instance, as a cheerful person, I find it hard to be sad for long periods of time. Sometimes I think: "if I was born male, I would be stronger by default, I wouldn't inconveniently bleed every month, I would have a proper cock" etc., but I don't want to let those thoughts bring my mood down as it's simply not worth of it, I would rather go play outside with my friends and laugh instead of feeling pity for myself. So my message to aforementioned folks: maybe those who you call "not trans" just for not feeling upset 24/7 are just, well, happy people? Happy trans people who already pass? Happy trans people who bury ugly dysphoric feelings under the bright greenery of joy?
P.S. recently I started addressing myself as male, felt a huge relief, including improved social functioning. I think I am on the right way.
THANK YOU, i find this to be a very extensive, eloquent, and wise take on the topic.
be kind to one another. speak kindly. and listen. like seriously, people, don't we have to deal with enough bullshit from *outside* the community already. 💖
I think you do need dysphoria cuz that’s the whole point to transition. I think if everyone thought they didn’t need dysphoria, we’d all think we might be trans lol
not all trans people physically transition
But the thing is. If you transition you are trans (this is tangible, visible and objective) so if they say look I transitioned but I don’t have dysphoria. Then how can they magically not be trans ?
I know it doesn’t make sense to transition then, but you can, you are allowed. It’s a free country
If it doesn't make sense and is medically unesessery why encourage it? All we will get is more Keira Bells.
all i have to say is this, “what someone defines as dysphoria is not dysphoria for another person” you can’t redefine medical terminology? just because i would ‘define’ something as anxiety but someone else doesn’t doesn’t mean it’s ? not anxiety? i just don’t understand what you meant by this or how that makes sense. as for the rest of the video, if you don’t feel it’s right to tell someone what’s wrong or right as far as how they identify or whatever, that’s your choice and i’ll respect that.
"you dont need the reason to be trans to be trans"
Does the dysphoria have to be about your chest or genitals? Cant it be your face or you r hair or ur legs or something on the lines or that?
Whole body.