How America’s Two Abortion Realities Are Clashing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, it scrambled the landscape of abortion access in America, including in ways that one might not entirely expect. Many conservative states made the procedure essentially illegal - that part was predictable. But there’s also been this striking backlash in blue states, with many of them making historic efforts to expand abortion access, for both their residents and for women living in abortion-restricted states.
And this has created all kinds of new battle lines - between states, and states and the federal government - involving travel, speech, privacy and executive power. It’s an explosion of conflicts and constitutional questions that the legal historian Mary Ziegler says has no parallel in modern times. She’s the author of six books on reproductive rights in America, including “Roe: The History of a National Obsession (yalebooks.yale.edu/book/97803...) ,” and the Martin Luther King Jr. professor of law at the University of California, Davis. “We’re seeing, from conservative and progressive states, moves to project power outside of their borders in ways we really haven’t seen in a really long time,” she told me.
In this conversation, Ziegler explains the bifurcated abortion landscape that has emerged since the decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization overturned Roe. We discuss the different political and legal strategies conservative and progressive states are using to pursue their opposing goals; why the abortion rate has gone up, even as 14 states have implemented near-total bans on abortion; and how a second Trump administration could try to restrict access to abortion for all Americans, no matter what states they live in.
Mentioned:
“Harsh Anti-abortion Laws Are Not Empty Threats (www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc...) ” by Mary Ziegler
Book Recommendations:
The Family Roe (wwnorton.com/books/9781324036074) by Joshua Prager
Tiny You (www.ucpress.edu/book/97805202...) by Jennifer L. Holland
Defenders of the Unborn (global.oup.com/academic/produ...) by Daniel K. Williams
“Before Roe v. Wade (papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...) ” by Linda Greenhouse and Reva B. Siegel
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast (www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-k...) . Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-... (www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-...) .
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Claire Gordon and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing from Efim Shapiro. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin and Rollin Hu. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.
If Trump and the maga party win, the terrible mess going on in Alabama and Texas for women will be nationwide. Vote.
What mess in Texas? Do you mean that bs story of the woman trying to get an abortion whom would absolutely be able to have one if her doctor would just say it's necessary?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:52 *Abortion rates increased.*
01:20 *America bifurcated on abortion.*
02:34 *Abortion bans challenging.*
03:58 *Dos backlash impact.*
05:48 *Voters defy pro-life.*
08:22 *Abortion politics diverge.*
09:30 *Red states tighten.*
11:33 *Blue states shield.*
12:18 *Mail-order abortion rise.*
14:34 *Pro-life challenges FDA.*
17:22 *Red states extreme.*
18:17 *Republicans conflicted.*
21:02 *Exceptions' impact debated.*
22:13 *Red states pursue unpopular policies.*
24:31 *IVF example challenges.*
25:55 *Borders affect reproductive rights.*
27:06 *Travel and Mifeprestone impact.*
28:31 *Changes in blue states.*
29:54 *Blue states enhance protections.*
31:05 *Shield laws and constitutionality.*
33:20 *Interstate conflicts escalate.*
34:44 *Blue states address provider shortage.*
36:35 *Democratic shift destigmatizes abortion.*
39:30 *Public opinion shifts post-Dobs.*
41:26 *Democrats support Women's Health Protection Act.*
42:34 *Abortion bill challenges.*
43:02 *Democrats face public opinion.*
45:20 *GOP struggles with stance.*
46:14 *Trump's potential actions.*
48:37 *Pro-life movement plans.*
49:19 *Trump's view post-reelection.*
50:01 *Administrative State impact.*
51:53 *Biden Administration's limits.*
54:13 *Stable solution challenges.*
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After the State of the Union address do you still believe President Biden should be replaced, Mr. Klein.
One of the commentators on The Bulwark was saying she was sitting on the edge of her chair with white knuckles, until he started. Me? I used to say I'd vote for Biden over the criminal if Biden was in a permanent vegetative state and on life support.
Obviously, Mr. Biden is neither of those things. I feel much better going forward after the state of the union address.
Very true.
The rub is determining what is moral.
Moralists should be conflicted.
Okay But like where is the video? This is not Spotify. Its TH-cam.
Why/how do you look to appease "the 50th percentile voter" when each side have fundamentally irreconcilable views. "a fetus is a person, but yes it's ok to kill them" "a fetus is not a person, but abortion is banned anyway for some other reason"
I think most important issues in society cannot be solved through compromise between opposing political constituents.
It is a conundrum. Maybe you take it out of the legal arena and talk pragmatically about what actually saves lives. If women have back ally abortions then the babies are still dying and the women may die too. What I really don't like is when a politician like Warren undermines birth centers trying to help women who want to keep their babies, though they should be regulated for deception. It is also helpful that if a judge invokes religion in Alabama to restrict abortion that not even all major religions agree on " personhood". Some believe it's quickening. Also interestingly even liberal countries in Europe do have abortion cut offs. Their debates do question what it means for human dignity when people with Down's Syndrome get aborted so readily.
The compromise is federalism but for that to work everyone needs to set their sets a little lower.
That Ezra feels pretty stupid after last night state of the union. Sad! He only wishes he could be as smart as sleepy Joe, at the age of 81.
At 74 years I have never been anti abortion, but there have to be rules.
The political process determines the rules.
The problem now and has been for most of my adult life is one side in the political process cannot, will not, live within in the rules.
Any consensus deal arrived at will be relentlessly attacked until a few decades later the original deal is not recognizable and a large part of the original consensus will become estranged from the result.
Therefore it is fool hardy to make a consensus deal - because ultimately you lose.
Consensus rule on an issue such as abortion is not an argument for said issues validity in so far as morality is concerned. I can think of some things theres been legal consensus on that hasn't been the shining beacon of morality
The Alabama case is being miss cast.
The ruling was concerning the cavalier manner the embryos were handled and protected by the purveyors of the process.
The purveyors freaked out and stopped the IVFs until such time as rules were agreed upon to properly protect the embryos instead of each purveyor having their own process which tragically failed in the cases brought in the courts.
IFV is not threatened.
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boring
Is there any other species or creature that kills its own ' the way we do...?..
Um
@@audimaster5000 what don't you understand..?
Oh I understand...do you..
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If a male is just a donor… then a female is just the deliverer!
A baby is Not her body! It’s someone else’s!
And she should never have the right to murder it! The Baby has the right to Live! If she won’t speak out for it…I will!
It has a Heart ❤️ Beat for a Reason!
(You can hear the heartbeat 💓 before 5 weeks!)
Tell her to put her Big girl pants on and take responsibility for her actions!
If she was raped it’s not the babies fault and she still has a responsibility to deliver it ! She’s a deliverer!
No one has the right to murder
EVER period!
Wanna argue with murder?
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What's your view on raising your taxes for the money to raise the crotch goblin to adulthood?