Guys I know conservatives have a problem with terms like borderless world, but in this context its talking about communication and travel not citezenship and migration. Dont think the hate for this video is warranted.
+UrinalCakeSorcerer Did you not read my comment? My point was that migration and citezenship is not what this video is about. In the context of this video border-less world is in reference to two people opposite sides of the planet can communicate with VR as if they are in the same room - you can hire anyone anywhere in the world for the same job with no need for travel or migration essentially making interaction and hiring borderless. I, and the video, make no comment about physical national borders, cultural difference or migration. Hell the concepts in this video may even reduce migration as the purpose of migrating is negated.
@LordSear1982 Social conservatism focuses on hating those who are either a different nationality or race than they are. Radical Muslims for instance are extreme social conservatives. Just like extreme Christians. Both groups are extreme social collectivists.
In a lot of ways, technology already has helped us to communicate throughout the world as if we had no borders. That might not have been the original intention, but that's how it worked out.
I'm skeptical of how his vision would work for people with average to below average intelligence. Sure, if you're a genius who can code or loves technology, a virtual GoFundMe system based on skills and hardwork would work to grow seeds into trees. But this is very narrow and one-sided. As someone who works remotely from my computer 8 hours a day, there is a toll on your mental and physical health. You need plenty of sunshine and in-person interactions to experience what beauty there is in life.
Ideally, with the colluding effects of both automation at the ends, thanks to AI and Machine Learning, and at the centre through web 3.0, we should have arrived at a stage where survival is a less and less of a worry for an individual. More time spent with people we love, doing things we want to do is more important and the hopefully the end goal, not necessarily creating the next big trend.
The nation-state and borderless world can coexist with no problem. That was the assumption of the US Constitution; anyone was welcome, but people entering America would be "naturalized", brought under American law, become citizens with equal rights. Denying people entry at the border was a late 19th century and Progressive Era invention. The alt-right's brand of nationalism goes back to the "progressive" early 20th century continental European/Germanic concept of the nation-state, as opposed to the Anglo-Saxon/Dutch concept of the nation-state. Alt-right nationalism is an insult to everything America used to stand for; individual liberty, limited government, equal opportunity under rule of law.
It's mostly white men who demand small government. Women and minorities want big gov to take care of them. "Individual liberty, limited government, equal opportunity under rule of law" are threatened by third world immigration. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
At 14:58.. there is no such thing as good and bad. Everything is cause and effect. Some effects or unwanted by some while being wanted by others. Positive and negative in relation to what direction we are trying to go is what we have here.. there is always push and pull. There is always both.
What predicts the success of people? Access to information, access to transportation. The internet + VR, hyperloop and stuff, further away FTL and Fulldive VR...thats what really matters, not government policy lol.
I took notes on this interview that you can find here, with timestamps (built using Roam Research - you can easily copy and paste into your own Roam database): www.marknagelberg.com/notes-on-balaji-srinivasan-interview-technology-will-lead-to-a-borderless-world/
lol ali the middle east and africa are very squarely in the 3rd world. there's no use denying it. btw did you notice that the categories you defined "developed, developing, underdeveloped" are three in number xD
I disagree. I think technology will lead to a world with virtual borders. If you think about it, they exist already. When was the last time you cruised the Arabic speaking section of TH-cam? I think the borders will become muddier, but they'll still be there. In terms of physical borders, those will change, but those will always exist. Borders, walls, fences, and boxes are ways that humanity has for psychologically simplifying what is and is not important to them.
Ignorance will always be a 'border' but it can be overcome much more easily than immigrating to a far-away place where people may be hostile. The last borders will be those created by encryption.
there wont be any last borders, borders will multiply faster than they can ever be removed in the not so distant future i'll further put forward that there is a fundamental, inescapable border in what we call lag time and it's far more consequential than people think
Unmannedair everybody learns English worldwide, you'd be surprised by the number of non native English speakers in the English speaking virtual world. I for one am from Belgium. A borderless virtual world already happened now we have censorship happening (see China's great firewall).
at 7:28... My next door neighbor is probably a total fucking piece of shit. 90% of the population is. I invite thousands of people to Xbox Live parties and maybe one out of a thousand is somebody I actually want to talk to.
We are moving towards a nationless, atheistic society but this will not improve race relations. Race will become a more central identity piece in a global world without god or country to derive meaning.
no one has got the merit. well, maybe 1/1000. so, 999 -to much of a friction for such frail a structure. the very consept of revolution should be questioned and answered . and if you look for an antiseptic link for sound q/a -any suggestion that uses the western liberal democracy as a possible draft- just wont do, im afraid..
nope i have only very little clues as to what you're actually saying "look for an antiseptic link for sound q/a" antiseptic (adj) Capable of preventing infection by inhibiting the growth of microorganisms wtf mate
When Google, twitter, Facebook, amazon and apple colluded to silence and censor the duly elected president of the United States, and succeeded. They'll say this was the moment the industrial age ended. Welcome to the new oligarchy. Very few people are about to control everything Hahaha
We’re not a nation of immigrants were a nation of settlers, and the founding fathers said citizenship is for white Men of good character. Are native Americans immigrants ?
At what point did they ever say that? The closest thing I can find to that is they were in fact appalled at the lack of freedom of others like slaves, but hardly put that into action since it was a large part of the economy (or they just liked benefiting from it since some were slave owners despite their words).
He seems to be in his own bubble. Lots of declarative statements. He offers insights but only into his imagination. An imagination that adores crypto currencies and everything he imagines comes from that place. He is very wrong about that so...The rest is basically corrupted accordingly.
At 13:42... "No amount of violence can solve a math problem"...
That's the beginning of a truly civilized civilization.
Incredible
Guys I know conservatives have a problem with terms like borderless world, but in this context its talking about communication and travel not citezenship and migration. Dont think the hate for this video is warranted.
the500mphtortoise , cultural differences absolutely matter, look at Sweden last 2 years of crime statistics.
+UrinalCakeSorcerer Did you not read my comment? My point was that migration and citezenship is not what this video is about. In the context of this video border-less world is in reference to two people opposite sides of the planet can communicate with VR as if they are in the same room - you can hire anyone anywhere in the world for the same job with no need for travel or migration essentially making interaction and hiring borderless.
I, and the video, make no comment about physical national borders, cultural difference or migration. Hell the concepts in this video may even reduce migration as the purpose of migrating is negated.
Conservatives are social collectivists who are scared of anyone who has a skin tone darker than their's.
@LordSear1982
Social conservatism focuses on hating those who are either a different nationality or race than they are. Radical Muslims for instance are extreme social conservatives. Just like extreme Christians. Both groups are extreme social collectivists.
i dont hate it but i do think it's incorrect about that particular point. technology will create new forms of borders/communities
Best video ever. 10 years ago I tried to convince my coworkers that this was the future of humanity.
Title is misleading. This guy is a real futurist, and his points aren't just about "border-less worlds""
Now I understand why Lex Fridman spoke to Srinivasan for about 8 hours, I just cleared up my calendar to listen to that podcast!
In a lot of ways, technology already has helped us to communicate throughout the world as if we had no borders. That might not have been the original intention, but that's how it worked out.
I'm skeptical of how his vision would work for people with average to below average intelligence. Sure, if you're a genius who can code or loves technology, a virtual GoFundMe system based on skills and hardwork would work to grow seeds into trees. But this is very narrow and one-sided. As someone who works remotely from my computer 8 hours a day, there is a toll on your mental and physical health. You need plenty of sunshine and in-person interactions to experience what beauty there is in life.
Ideally, with the colluding effects of both automation at the ends, thanks to AI and Machine Learning, and at the centre through web 3.0, we should have arrived at a stage where survival is a less and less of a worry for an individual.
More time spent with people we love, doing things we want to do is more important and the hopefully the end goal, not necessarily creating the next big trend.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Phenomenal interview! Thanks a lot Nick
25:18 😮
The nation-state and borderless world can coexist with no problem. That was the assumption of the US Constitution; anyone was welcome, but people entering America would be "naturalized", brought under American law, become citizens with equal rights. Denying people entry at the border was a late 19th century and Progressive Era invention. The alt-right's brand of nationalism goes back to the "progressive" early 20th century continental European/Germanic concept of the nation-state, as opposed to the Anglo-Saxon/Dutch concept of the nation-state. Alt-right nationalism is an insult to everything America used to stand for; individual liberty, limited government, equal opportunity under rule of law.
The founders wanted to ship the Africans back. They were Natural Law guys...
It's mostly white men who demand small government. Women and minorities want big gov to take care of them. "Individual liberty, limited government, equal opportunity under rule of law" are threatened by third world immigration. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
14:30 happening now in 2022.
Way ahead of his time
Balaji is ahead of his time. Few.
I enjoyed this video so much more when I changed the speed to .75x. Him talking so fast is hard to listen to.
At 14:58.. there is no such thing as good and bad. Everything is cause and effect. Some effects or unwanted by some while being wanted by others. Positive and negative in relation to what direction we are trying to go is what we have here.. there is always push and pull. There is always both.
to many people knee jerkin without even watching the video clearly.
Reason deserves most of the blame for their clickbait headline.
chrimony exactly, they deserve it
chrimony Translation: knee-jerk downvoters aren't to blame. Please.
@abcw: I said Reason deserves MOST of the blame, not all of it. They initiated with the misleading headline.
This guy is fucking smart
stateless world is better term - local municipalities, decentralized reputation system.....
"Where are you ideologically?" response "I don't like labels." and then proceeds to describe himself as a free-market guy to a T.
Guest outs himself as a libertarian on a Libertarian channel. Shocker.
@Shiv He said that Lee Kwon Yew is one of his heros. You can make a good argument that Yew is an Authoritarian.
What predicts the success of people? Access to information, access to transportation. The internet + VR, hyperloop and stuff, further away FTL and Fulldive VR...thats what really matters, not government policy lol.
I spedran this at 2x.
This sounds somewhat like the "Snow Crash" world in which countries essentially become "franchises".
The cloud economy is technologically possible,but the social barriers are a different matter.
I took notes on this interview that you can find here, with timestamps (built using Roam Research - you can easily copy and paste into your own Roam database):
www.marknagelberg.com/notes-on-balaji-srinivasan-interview-technology-will-lead-to-a-borderless-world/
Balaji casually predicting WW3 15:00 & 31:30
True
Meh. This didn't happen in Wakanda! the one and only 1st world country in Africa 😂😂😂😂
younes jorge You haven't seen the movie, have you?
lol ali the middle east and africa are very squarely in the 3rd world. there's no use denying it. btw did you notice that the categories you defined "developed, developing, underdeveloped" are three in number xD
weaksauce non-response, i know they aren't directly those three categories, makes it no less funny. well it didn't til u were a party pooper
Internet is bordeless next step is making the real world virtually borderless eventually.
More real now
"Property rights are going to be the network effect" I wonder what he means by that.
Balaji is a White Tiger.
What an exciting time to be alive!
Definitely
Balaji’s utopia sounds like a dystopia to me.
Separation of church and state = scientific revolution
Separation of state and money = ??
Balaji gang
"Sovereign funds"
I disagree. I think technology will lead to a world with virtual borders. If you think about it, they exist already. When was the last time you cruised the Arabic speaking section of TH-cam? I think the borders will become muddier, but they'll still be there. In terms of physical borders, those will change, but those will always exist. Borders, walls, fences, and boxes are ways that humanity has for psychologically simplifying what is and is not important to them.
yup basically same thing i think as a developer
Ignorance will always be a 'border' but it can be overcome much more easily than immigrating to a far-away place where people may be hostile. The last borders will be those created by encryption.
there wont be any last borders, borders will multiply faster than they can ever be removed in the not so distant future
i'll further put forward that there is a fundamental, inescapable border in what we call lag time and it's far more consequential than people think
Unmannedair everybody learns English worldwide, you'd be surprised by the number of non native English speakers in the English speaking virtual world. I for one am from Belgium. A borderless virtual world already happened now we have censorship happening (see China's great firewall).
A better way to look at it is as filters, not borders.
Then we best break all of these humanity destroying gadgets.
do a shot every "ossified"
6:40 is that a boob stimulator ? Sex toy technology is going on a whole new level
at 7:28... My next door neighbor is probably a total fucking piece of shit. 90% of the population is. I invite thousands of people to Xbox Live parties and maybe one out of a thousand is somebody I actually want to talk to.
Balaji would like this to happen but Europeans are not going to let people like him destroy us
We are moving towards a nationless, atheistic society but this will not improve race relations. Race will become a more central identity piece in a global world without god or country to derive meaning.
more than 70% of the US is Christian, and statistically we appear to have hit peak secularism. it is already beginning to rock back the other way
Is there any value in a borderless world? I know John Lennon thinks it's a great idea, But is it necessary for anything?
This guy is the classic person who has a hammer and therefore, everything looks like a nail.
Nah, technology will increase specialization of nations. It's a mathematic inevitability
I can see it now you wake up put on your vr gear and control a drone in a factory in some remote corner of the world.
Does this guy ever sleep?
Our current reality is the Matrix. What you're talking about will be a matrix inside a matrix. Lol
Any similar persons like BS
>borderless world
WTF, I love the luddites now
First?
no one has got the merit. well, maybe 1/1000.
so, 999 -to much of a friction for such frail a structure.
the very consept of revolution should be questioned and answered .
and if you look for an antiseptic link for sound q/a -any suggestion that uses the western liberal democracy as a possible draft- just wont do,
im afraid..
...that uses the western liberal democracy- just wo...
do even you know what you're saying
garet claborn yes. do you?
nope i have only very little clues as to what you're actually saying
"look for an antiseptic link for sound q/a"
antiseptic (adj) Capable of preventing infection by inhibiting the growth of microorganisms
wtf mate
garet claborn right.true. Correct.virtue.equity.legal.valid.remedy.privilege.due.
Right?
antiseptic. Kills germs. antiseptic financial practices. Antiseptic link- it’s validity is not prone to bias
2020 says: hahahahahaha!
When Google, twitter, Facebook, amazon and apple colluded to silence and censor the duly elected president of the United States, and succeeded.
They'll say this was the moment the industrial age ended.
Welcome to the new oligarchy. Very few people are about to control everything Hahaha
And then the power goes out and your all screwed lmao
if it goes out now we are screwed. Its doomsday if you are out of power for more than few hours.
gay
"Cocaine is a helluva drug"
sorry, hypey bullshit to actual content ratio too high. bailing after 5 minutes
We’re not a nation of immigrants were a nation of settlers, and the founding fathers said citizenship is for white Men of good character. Are native Americans immigrants ?
At what point did they ever say that? The closest thing I can find to that is they were in fact appalled at the lack of freedom of others like slaves, but hardly put that into action since it was a large part of the economy (or they just liked benefiting from it since some were slave owners despite their words).
He seems to be in his own bubble. Lots of declarative statements. He offers insights but only into his imagination. An imagination that adores crypto currencies and everything he imagines comes from that place. He is very wrong about that so...The rest is basically corrupted accordingly.