I play Rugby in college and played high school football. When I started to play rugby, my open field tackling improved as well as my form. Looking back, I think its important to learn to tackle without pads in American football. It helps with form and the magnitude for injury is less.
I think it's easier to tackle in rugby though. With no forward pass and 4 extra players it's easier to be in formation to stop the run; spread out evenly across the field. In football you have to account for the forward pass, which vertically stretches the defense; and you have to counter the blocking with a d-line, so you condense it horizontally. Rugby is simply more defense friendly. Football players gain the ability to block and throw forward, giving the defense the responsibility to cover the pass and evade the blocking. Meanwhile the defense loses the ability to win the ball in a ruck, which takes away the offensive responsibility of dedicating players to support.
+Anon ymous. I'd say yes to the formation aspect, but in terms of straight up technique, one on one, I'd say that both tackling in football and in rugby is about the same.
great video i play both and they really help to feed each other. I play o-line and in rugby primarily loosehead prop and knowing anatomy from rugby in football i am for the sternum so they lose power. Also the conditioning programs feed each other for rugby i have a head start for football and football keeps me loose and ready for rugby. NFL teams might want to keep players rested but rugby would help get teams fast paced Oregon style offense and test the condition and tired ability of opponents
I remember when we were trying to grow high school rugby in Denver some 35+ years ago. The football coach of South High was against it. The fall after South's first rugby season one of his defensive tackles one handedly scooped up a fumble and rambled 30 yards for a touchdown. The coach asked him where he learned to do that. The player informed the coach that despite his objections he had played rugby and learned it there. The following spring there were a lot more football players playing rugby and the coach was a regular attendee to both practices and games.
Both great sports!! I love rugby though its what i play. But agree it will help alot of football players become more conditioned. And with that in mind.. More people playing rugby in the states the better the sport and national team will be.. Rugby gets dominated by certain teams. Be good to have it alot closer
Fan of both sports . Played 1 year of junior high A/F . Played 10 plus of rugby union years ago. Rugby was very fun to play everybody gets in on the action,but A/F players are bad ass as well, just more stop and go but those big guys need it . Go Pittsburgh Steelers!!!!
@BodybuildinginTX You may have to wait. You can join a rugby club in college. There's one in practically every university in Texas. However, it depends on the college if it's a tryout or an open team.
That is a great story. I played college football and rugby. I made a huge differene only as a kicking specialist. Imagine every football player learning the skills and culture of rugby. USA Rugby can defend and win 2016 Gold Medal
With the awareness of concussions growing, I think you might see the practice of teaching heads "on the ball" go away if not more drastic changes to the sport of football. Lacrosse has spread just fine. So I dont think rugby's growth is dependent on football coaches promoting it. But I agree it would help.
Im from England and the ground freezes solid in the winter and is dry and solid in the summer, only time its not is when its raining and its a mud bath. Bit harder to play all year round over here mate ;)
@91gt306 safely. Instead they HAVE to wrap which makes it more difficult. Thus their tackling form is by necessity better than NFL'ers b/c it is their 2nd most critical skill.
On either stationary targets, or targets that aren't trying to necessarily get away from them 100% of the time. In rugby the aim isn't (always) to smash your opposing number, it's to make sure you get him to the ground without conceding any territory. That goes in NFL too, fair enough, but in rugby you have a bigger motivation to stop the guy dead because it's free flowing. All in all, they're completely different sports with a few similarities, and it all depends on what you prefer as players
I used to be a bit of a football fan 'till I got into rugby. To me it is obviously a more tougher, phsyical sport than football while football holds a greater tactical element. The conditioning point is a major thing to 'cause if you play like a football player in rugby you aren't gonna last more than a few minutes before you are wiped.
A/F is much more (Bad spell) persise, maybe exact due to measurements by yards and inches. The body of the game is different from rugby but the main purpose is the same invade your opponent's end zone or try zone ,same thing. Love both games.
This makes perfect sense ... Running back can perfect their open field skills , running and breaking tackles ... defensive players can perfect their tackling accuracy ....
@mataelepaul Rugby is played in whatever season the people who are playing it DECIDE to play it in. In THIS COUNTRY, we play high school rugby in the Spring. Some colleges play in the Fall and some play in the Spring. We don't play any rugby in the winter in most parts of the country because most parts are covered in snow. It may be different in YOUR country. Try to wrap your mind around that.
I have been playing rugby since i waas 5 (i am now 16) you dont ever run side to side in rugby, you always go forward to gain the extra meter, even if that means running as hard as you can at your top speed towards a person much stronger, harder and heavier than you. In rugby we have the scrum where 16 men (8 of each side) have to drive head on into each other to win the ball. The scrum can result in serious injury or death due to the impact and possible collapse.
Rugby is a Winter Sport in New Zealand, every season(except for PRO) is played during WINTER, think about it, most clubs take their posts down in Summer
@kiundot Hey genius. Rugby is played in whatever season the people who are playing it decide it will be played in. In this country, USA, high school rugby is in the Spring. High schoolers dont just play one sport here. So they are playing other sports in the Fall and Winter.
@jmanistheman12345678 u recognize that sports might be played in different seasons in different countries right? Here, rugby is a spring sport. Being a large country with much of it covered in snow during our winters, we traditionally confine our field sports to the fall/spring school seasons
@miltime27 "but his ability to cover wideouts & get ints makes him an NFL star". Yes I agree with this aswell, but then again thats another reason why the sports differ so much. Some are bad and some are good like troy and patrick are excelllent tacklers among others and asante and dominique cromartie are not so good but they are great cover guys. I agree with most you have said. I just had an issue with his challenge at the end, altho he could be right that his guys would fare better...
Rugby league is played with teams of 13 players. Same length of halves but different rules pertaining to the tackle & scrum. There are no lineouts in league, no rucks, no mauls. The attacking team has 6 tackles to make it from one end of the field to the other. Tactically teams choose to kick on the fourth or fifth tackle to gain ground and pin the opposing team as deeply in their end as possible.
I play rugby but i have never played american football and i honestly think that unless your playing against really high standard playeds in football, then it becomes dangerous but unlike in rugby when the 7 year olds are only wearing mouthguards but tackling and squashing people, i think rugby is the harder sport
And I stand by that suggestion. If you let a team build up momentum in open play then giving up an extra metre IS devastating. In AF if you give up an extra metre is can also be devastating, but momentum stops when the play stops. Sure, you can talk about confidence moving with a team throughout the game, but trying to stop a team in open play who have MOMENTUM and are gaining territory in rugby is bad. Therefor you try to stop the momentum to sitting the other guy down on his arse.
Rugby is different for sure and requires more teamwork as Football teams are made up of an offense and defense with each player having his own job to do seperately from eachother.
@kiundot I do get it. The context of the comments is the content of the video under which the comments are posted. The video is about American rugby. So when people start saying that "rugby is not played in the spring" they are incorrect regarding the season in America. But I get your point. But you didn't exactly say "in England..." You just said "the rugby season is ..." So it is that sweeping assertion that I am correcting.
mate believe me when you step in a rugby game you have no subs, no breaks you know time outs, no protection and when you start the game you have to be on the field to the very end and you can't be reckless in rugby its all about being precise and tough remember american football has its origins from rugby and the guys at the end of the video were not lying
Fan of both sports here. Yes, what you said is very true, but I don't think you understand just big the rolefield position and territory are in Gridiron. It's absolute and is literally the meaning of the game. You must stop the opponent immediately. Every single inch of the field matters and is contested violently.
My objection to your original comment was that you suggested there was a bigger motivation for Rugby tacklers to stop a guy dead than AF tacklers, which is flat out wrong. In R, there is no negative consequence for yielding an extra meter, while in AF yielding a few extra centimeters could mean absolute death to your teams chances of winning. In AF the runners forward progress must be stopped Now, violently. In addition to the stop, an attempt to jar the ball loose, must be made as well.
Curtis, I dont think you understood what he said. He is saying that if you took the total number of the program's wins during its entire history, 40% of those victories occurred in the past 2 years. Which is pretty impressive considering the program has been around for a few decades.
@miltime27 no rugby like soccer is a winter sport. 7s is played all year round but mostly in spring/summer i think when they travel. umm 15s is winter!!!!!!!! jus like they play in winter in england (where it was invented) and everywhere else in the world ( bar america apparently (always gotta be different))
@miltime27 Dont get me wrong I totally agree that there is an epidemic of poor tackling in the nfl, but I believe it stems from the reasons that I stated. It irritates me when I see a guy fly in with a shoulder charge and either miss the guy or just bounce off him and the receiver gains another 10-15 yards before hes brought down or scores, but in his mind he wants to jar the ball loose instead of tackling properly. But I know those guys are taught at a young age proper tackling...
Scott Gibbs went from union to league and then back to union. Many teams are after Quade Cooper, a union guy. It is the same skill set. Many other players have come from schools which predominantly play union and then shift to league. To say that Hosea Gear "can't" play means that he is physically incapable. That is not true. He is physically capable of doing it and I am sure that many teams would love to have him. By definition, can = ability; he has the ability.
I don't think that going out of bounds is a negative, especially if the yardage you've made in the previous play is more than enough to set your team up for an attacking next play. My point is it slows the game down, lets people rest for a bit and doesn't make it a free flowing, constant tackling game like rugby. You rest for a second in rugby game over. I understand plenty how AF works, you're just not reading my comments the way I'm intending them to be heard which is neither of our faults.
@miltime27 but theres things his guys wouldnt be able to do better then nfl guys aswell. "And atho I do agree to an extent that coaches would want the players to choose to tackle correctly, if he can shut down the reciever and get an interception or 2 in games then sadly the coaches will look past their tackling abilities which is what i believe is the problem, unfortunetly. Looks like alot of offensive players are seeing it aswell as im starting to see guys getting hurdled these days lol.
Not in the same way though - how many times have you seen an AF player in a game run out of bounds, or take a knee? Fair enough, the aim in both games isn't to get tackled, and you do see players in rugby taking a pick and drive to suck players into rucks but when players are in space rugby players seem to be more reluctant to get tackled and run into contact. Therefore, tackling in rugby has a very different dynamic.
@91gt306 I agree with the basis of your point, but if ur trying to deny that there is an epidemic of poor tackling in the NFL then ur way off. That's not even his point. his point is that....
Who said anything about "missing" a tackle? I was talking about "made" tackles. Again giving up an extra meter to a runner in Rugby is no big deal. In AF, giving up an extra inch can mean total defeat. watch?v=XwRAQXx5Sd4.
the ball causing an incompletion or a fumble and defense recovers? Im sure most players and even coaches would rather go with the 2nd choice. Its not that nfl players dont know how to tackle properly, but theres a reason they wear the gear they do and they put it to use. Now see if the guy at the end will except a challenge of any of his rugby players to cover calvin johnson in a game, or fight off blockers to make tackles or get qb sacks, they are very different sports.
@91gt306 bc rugby players dont wear that padding, they cant safely launch like nfl players. hes saying that launching is the best way to knock someone down & rugby players cant safely do...
@jmanistheman12345678 in america at the club level it is played in the fall, winter and spring. But because of dumb ass football U18 and high school teams only play in the spring. We pass our time by playing sevens in the fall and summer with whats left of our U18 team
HUh,, Rugby is not a Winter Sport!! Its a all-round game that is played in any circumstances. Hot, Cold, Rain etc. Anyone that doesn't believe me, Come to New Zealand or any of the rugby countries. :D Kbye
No.Take all the football team's wins in their entire history. He is saying that 40% of those wins have been in the past 2 years. Which is very impressive.
That challenge at the end, is nonsense. First off guys like troy polomalu, patrick willis, etc have proven time and again that they are great form tacklers in the open field. The problem is cornerbacks, safeties, and most linebackers are always looking for that knockout blow, so proper form tackling goes right out the window for those guys. What more valuable? Tackling a guy properly in the open field after a catch and a gain of 20 yards, or hitting the receiver so hard he drops...
dude, 7s and 15s are also different sports if you really want to split hairs. Different rules in both. You could also include 10s rugby which is played in several countries world wide. Or beach rugby which is 5 a side on the beach. League devolved from union but is essentially the same game. Just as Canadian football is essentially the same as NFL. Same idea, different rules.
continued. Why do you think when teams are penalized, it's with loss of territory? Again It means everything! Why is "free flowing" gamplay so desireable? I'm also a Hockey fan, which is more "free flowing" than Rugby can even imagine. AF is a different animal. It's flow is that of military strikes. Every play is a game unto itself. Btw, running out of bounds is most often a strategic choice, and is part of a strategic time management layer of gameplay, that doesn't even exist in Rugby.
let me translate for him *i am american, i have been taught rugby by welsh and english people. i have also played football except that i hate the "no head on head rule". i shall state a number of words with no punctuation. Only the best americans play NFL not people who are rejects of the social normality. Negatat showed up for a scrum and walked around. For his other comment: I agree that i am shit, apart from the fact that i am in the middle of a lawsuit and cannot afford my food bill of $250
@91gt306 eh.i think ur on shaky ground. there r plenty of NFL players who r notoriously bad tacklers. Assante Samuel for example. He would never survive rugby without that skill, but his ability to cover wideouts & get ints makes him an NFL star. A lot of cbs are like that. And I think a lot of NFL coaches would prefer their players "choose" to tackle the correct way. I think over time, whatevr good tacking skills they had have eroded over time for some players
@BodybuildinginTX you didnt pay attention.Take all the football team's wins in their entire history. He is saying that 40% of those wins have been in the past 2 years. get it? As in this coach has used rugby to take a historically terrible program and make it into a contender. To your other point. Yes, training for fball year round would probably be better. But if they dont allow that (which they shouldnt) then rugby's a great offseason sport choice. HS kids should be play more than 1 sport.
if you take the percentage of americans that play football, i can guarantee that this percentage would be lower than that of the rugby players in new zealand
Because he doesn't or because he is incapable? If it is the latter, I would draw your attention to Brad Thorne, Lote Tuquiri, Wendel Sailor, Sonny Bill Williams, Matt Rogers, Andy Farrell, Scott Gibbs, etc. etc. If it is because of contractual obligations to his employer, that is a different matter. But hey, I was just trying to answer a question that you posed in the first place. I mistakenly believed that you did not know anything about rugby, but, obviously, you do.
I agree,thats the rule except if the person is pissed as hell in a law suit so he can pay his food bill to be 250 again to prove it I had 2nd best job in america after nfl football i did not know i was still in high school, i thugt this was like twitter,unlike u i have a life
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good video guys! nice to see the sport of rugby is spreading, the future is bright
I play Rugby in college and played high school football. When I started to play rugby, my open field tackling improved as well as my form. Looking back, I think its important to learn to tackle without pads in American football. It helps with form and the magnitude for injury is less.
I think it's easier to tackle in rugby though. With no forward pass and 4 extra players it's easier to be in formation to stop the run; spread out evenly across the field. In football you have to account for the forward pass, which vertically stretches the defense; and you have to counter the blocking with a d-line, so you condense it horizontally.
Rugby is simply more defense friendly. Football players gain the ability to block and throw forward, giving the defense the responsibility to cover the pass and evade the blocking. Meanwhile the defense loses the ability to win the ball in a ruck, which takes away the offensive responsibility of dedicating players to support.
+Anon ymous. I'd say yes to the formation aspect, but in terms of straight up technique, one on one, I'd say that both tackling in football and in rugby is about the same.
great video i play both and they really help to feed each other. I play o-line and in rugby primarily loosehead prop and knowing anatomy from rugby in football i am for the sternum so they lose power. Also the conditioning programs feed each other for rugby i have a head start for football and football keeps me loose and ready for rugby. NFL teams might want to keep players rested but rugby would help get teams fast paced Oregon style offense and test the condition and tired ability of opponents
rugby has the best footwork in all sport
I remember when we were trying to grow high school rugby in Denver some 35+ years ago. The football coach of South High was against it. The fall after South's first rugby season one of his defensive tackles one handedly scooped up a fumble and rambled 30 yards for a touchdown. The coach asked him where he learned to do that. The player informed the coach that despite his objections he had played rugby and learned it there.
The following spring there were a lot more football players playing rugby and the coach was a regular attendee to both practices and games.
That's great.
Both great sports!! I love rugby though its what i play. But agree it will help alot of football players become more conditioned. And with that in mind.. More people playing rugby in the states the better the sport and national team will be.. Rugby gets dominated by certain teams. Be good to have it alot closer
Spring is 7's season! I'm from HK and we always have the big tournament in March so that's when I get all 7's crazy
"If you want them to be better football players in the fall, have them playing rugby in the spring"
I agree, just pray that they don't get injured!
Fan of both sports . Played 1 year of junior high A/F . Played 10 plus of rugby union years ago. Rugby was very fun to play everybody gets in on the action,but A/F players are bad ass as well, just more stop and go but those big guys need it . Go Pittsburgh Steelers!!!!
Awesome.
Rugby does have money internationally it's just that it's not as emphasized as in either formats of football
@BodybuildinginTX You may have to wait. You can join a rugby club in college. There's one in practically every university in Texas. However, it depends on the college if it's a tryout or an open team.
thank you for letting the world no what rugby can do for people
That is a great story. I played college football and rugby. I made a huge differene only as a kicking specialist. Imagine every football player learning the skills and culture of rugby. USA Rugby can defend and win 2016 Gold Medal
With the awareness of concussions growing, I think you might see the practice of teaching heads "on the ball" go away if not more drastic changes to the sport of football. Lacrosse has spread just fine. So I dont think rugby's growth is dependent on football coaches promoting it. But I agree it would help.
Im from England and the ground freezes solid in the winter and is dry and solid in the summer, only time its not is when its raining and its a mud bath. Bit harder to play all year round over here mate ;)
@91gt306 safely. Instead they HAVE to wrap which makes it more difficult. Thus their tackling form is by necessity better than NFL'ers b/c it is their 2nd most critical skill.
On either stationary targets, or targets that aren't trying to necessarily get away from them 100% of the time. In rugby the aim isn't (always) to smash your opposing number, it's to make sure you get him to the ground without conceding any territory. That goes in NFL too, fair enough, but in rugby you have a bigger motivation to stop the guy dead because it's free flowing.
All in all, they're completely different sports with a few similarities, and it all depends on what you prefer as players
I used to be a bit of a football fan 'till I got into rugby. To me it is obviously a more tougher, phsyical sport than football while football holds a greater tactical element. The conditioning point is a major thing to 'cause if you play like a football player in rugby you aren't gonna last more than a few minutes before you are wiped.
nice video..love it..
A/F is much more (Bad spell) persise, maybe exact due to measurements by yards and inches. The body of the game is different from rugby but the main purpose is the same invade your opponent's end zone or try zone ,same thing. Love both games.
This makes perfect sense ... Running back can perfect their open field skills , running and breaking tackles ... defensive players can perfect their tackling accuracy ....
Not to mention it can also help o line too
@mataelepaul Rugby is played in whatever season the people who are playing it DECIDE to play it in. In THIS COUNTRY, we play high school rugby in the Spring. Some colleges play in the Fall and some play in the Spring. We don't play any rugby in the winter in most parts of the country because most parts are covered in snow. It may be different in YOUR country. Try to wrap your mind around that.
I have been playing rugby since i waas 5 (i am now 16) you dont ever run side to side in rugby, you always go forward to gain the extra meter, even if that means running as hard as you can at your top speed towards a person much stronger, harder and heavier than you. In rugby we have the scrum where 16 men (8 of each side) have to drive head on into each other to win the ball. The scrum can result in serious injury or death due to the impact and possible collapse.
Rugby is a Winter Sport in New Zealand, every season(except for PRO) is played during WINTER, think about it, most clubs take their posts down in Summer
@kiundot Hey genius. Rugby is played in whatever season the people who are playing it decide it will be played in. In this country, USA, high school rugby is in the Spring. High schoolers dont just play one sport here. So they are playing other sports in the Fall and Winter.
yeah touch rugby is fun, but i play football/soccer in the summer. also play a bit of 7s in the spring
Fantastic vid.
We play both, but I'd say that touch is more the summer game but it's not uncommon for people to play union in the summer
@jmanistheman12345678 u recognize that sports might be played in different seasons in different countries right? Here, rugby is a spring sport. Being a large country with much of it covered in snow during our winters, we traditionally confine our field sports to the fall/spring school seasons
Trying to change the minds of HS AD's.
I would be down to play rugby and football.
Wow
@miltime27 "but his ability to cover wideouts & get ints makes him an NFL star". Yes I agree with this aswell, but then again thats another reason why the sports differ so much. Some are bad and some are good like troy and patrick are excelllent tacklers among others and asante and dominique cromartie are not so good but they are great cover guys. I agree with most you have said. I just had an issue with his challenge at the end, altho he could be right that his guys would fare better...
i agree, the game is just more enoyable as a player.
Amen!!!!!
As I say and many have said before me "Rugby is a gentlemen's sport"
You meant to say "Rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen".
Rugby league is played with teams of 13 players. Same length of halves but different rules pertaining to the tackle & scrum. There are no lineouts in league, no rucks, no mauls. The attacking team has 6 tackles to make it from one end of the field to the other. Tactically teams choose to kick on the fourth or fifth tackle to gain ground and pin the opposing team as deeply in their end as possible.
I play rugby but i have never played american football and i honestly think that unless your playing against really high standard playeds in football, then it becomes dangerous but unlike in rugby when the 7 year olds are only wearing mouthguards but tackling and squashing people, i think rugby is the harder sport
playing rugby in the summer is suicidal, the ground is simply too hard
And I stand by that suggestion. If you let a team build up momentum in open play then giving up an extra metre IS devastating. In AF if you give up an extra metre is can also be devastating, but momentum stops when the play stops. Sure, you can talk about confidence moving with a team throughout the game, but trying to stop a team in open play who have MOMENTUM and are gaining territory in rugby is bad. Therefor you try to stop the momentum to sitting the other guy down on his arse.
Rugby is different for sure and requires more teamwork as Football teams are made up of an offense and defense with each player having his own job to do seperately from eachother.
@kiundot I do get it. The context of the comments is the content of the video under which the comments are posted. The video is about American rugby. So when people start saying that "rugby is not played in the spring" they are incorrect regarding the season in America. But I get your point. But you didn't exactly say "in England..." You just said "the rugby season is ..." So it is that sweeping assertion that I am correcting.
@tazwildcat7 i agree.
mate believe me when you step in a rugby game you have no subs, no breaks you know time outs, no protection and when you start the game you have to be on the field to the very end and you can't be reckless in rugby its all about being precise and tough remember american football has its origins from rugby and the guys at the end of the video were not lying
Fan of both sports here. Yes, what you said is very true, but I don't think you understand just big the rolefield position and territory are in Gridiron. It's absolute and is literally the meaning of the game. You must stop the opponent immediately. Every single inch of the field matters and is contested violently.
@miltime27 thanks mate
Unfortunately quite a few people die playing rugby here in NZ.
My objection to your original comment was that you suggested there was a bigger motivation for Rugby tacklers to stop a guy dead than AF tacklers, which is flat out wrong. In R, there is no negative consequence for yielding an extra meter, while in AF yielding a few extra centimeters could mean absolute death to your teams chances of winning. In AF the runners forward progress must be stopped Now, violently. In addition to the stop, an attempt to jar the ball loose, must be made as well.
Rugby really does help out when you go into the football season. And rugby season is during winter not spring.
Yea well Haloti Ngata, a future hall of famer, says your wrong.
@91gt306 I hate that he said that though. Its stupid to compare sports. They are both tough as hell to play and both require some serious physicality.
2015 and since it is home turf i hope that england will win
Curtis, I dont think you understood what he said. He is saying that if you took the total number of the program's wins during its entire history, 40% of those victories occurred in the past 2 years. Which is pretty impressive considering the program has been around for a few decades.
@miltime27 no rugby like soccer is a winter sport. 7s is played all year round but mostly in spring/summer i think when they travel. umm 15s is winter!!!!!!!! jus like they play in winter in england (where it was invented) and everywhere else in the world ( bar america apparently (always gotta be different))
my bad, i though u lads played cricket in the summer, same as here?
rugby is a winter sport.but good on americans for giving it a go
good rugby players do not run side to side. and contact happens all over the field, so the field size doesnt matter
True
@miltime27 Dont get me wrong I totally agree that there is an epidemic of poor tackling in the nfl, but I believe it stems from the reasons that I stated. It irritates me when I see a guy fly in with a shoulder charge and either miss the guy or just bounce off him and the receiver gains another 10-15 yards before hes brought down or scores, but in his mind he wants to jar the ball loose instead of tackling properly. But I know those guys are taught at a young age proper tackling...
Scott Gibbs went from union to league and then back to union. Many teams are after Quade Cooper, a union guy. It is the same skill set. Many other players have come from schools which predominantly play union and then shift to league. To say that Hosea Gear "can't" play means that he is physically incapable. That is not true. He is physically capable of doing it and I am sure that many teams would love to have him. By definition, can = ability; he has the ability.
Anybody who says high school football is less competitive than the rugby equivalent in England is flat out wrong.
I don't think that going out of bounds is a negative, especially if the yardage you've made in the previous play is more than enough to set your team up for an attacking next play. My point is it slows the game down, lets people rest for a bit and doesn't make it a free flowing, constant tackling game like rugby. You rest for a second in rugby game over. I understand plenty how AF works, you're just not reading my comments the way I'm intending them to be heard which is neither of our faults.
@miltime27 but theres things his guys wouldnt be able to do better then nfl guys aswell. "And atho I do agree to an extent that coaches would want the players to choose to tackle correctly, if he can shut down the reciever and get an interception or 2 in games then sadly the coaches will look past their tackling abilities which is what i believe is the problem, unfortunetly. Looks like alot of offensive players are seeing it aswell as im starting to see guys getting hurdled these days lol.
I don't doubt that either. But It will never happen now.
Not in the same way though - how many times have you seen an AF player in a game run out of bounds, or take a knee? Fair enough, the aim in both games isn't to get tackled, and you do see players in rugby taking a pick and drive to suck players into rucks but when players are in space rugby players seem to be more reluctant to get tackled and run into contact. Therefore, tackling in rugby has a very different dynamic.
Give a football player pads and it makes him hit a little harder. Give a rugby player pads and he'll hit a moving car
Rugby is better than American football snm
@91gt306 I agree with the basis of your point, but if ur trying to deny that there is an epidemic of poor tackling in the NFL then ur way off. That's not even his point. his point is that....
hmmmm... I'd put my money on the car.
Who said anything about "missing" a tackle? I was talking about "made" tackles. Again giving up an extra meter to a runner in Rugby is no big deal. In AF, giving up an extra inch can mean total defeat.
watch?v=XwRAQXx5Sd4.
the ball causing an incompletion or a fumble and defense recovers? Im sure most players and even coaches would rather go with the 2nd choice. Its not that nfl players dont know how to tackle properly, but theres a reason they wear the gear they do and they put it to use. Now see if the guy at the end will except a challenge of any of his rugby players to cover calvin johnson in a game, or fight off blockers to make tackles or get qb sacks, they are very different sports.
@91gt306 bc rugby players dont wear that padding, they cant safely launch like nfl players. hes saying that launching is the best way to knock someone down & rugby players cant safely do...
@jmanistheman12345678 in america at the club level it is played in the fall, winter and spring. But because of dumb ass football U18 and high school teams only play in the spring. We pass our time by playing sevens in the fall and summer with whats left of our U18 team
HUh,, Rugby is not a Winter Sport!! Its a all-round game that is played in any circumstances. Hot, Cold, Rain etc.
Anyone that doesn't believe me, Come to New Zealand or any of the rugby countries. :D Kbye
@CollegeRugbyFilms not really, its played in winter everywhere else
@MrMemememe1234 There's actually 3.
@kmtb1991 wat u on about i play rugby in nz???... y wuld i call a rugby player a wimp?
Rugby is a winter sport bro
No.Take all the football team's wins in their entire history. He is saying that 40% of those wins have been in the past 2 years. Which is very impressive.
where did get that lie from?
@91gt306 yep agreed. the challenge was dumb. But that's a coach of an emerging sport just trying to push his sport anyway he can. still dumb.
Wait, 40%? As in less than half your games?
Well 15's is winter. My bad
proof that rugby is a tougher, more physical, more intelligent and more skillful sport than american football
That challenge at the end, is nonsense. First off guys like troy polomalu, patrick willis, etc have proven time and again that they are great form tacklers in the open field. The problem is cornerbacks, safeties, and most linebackers are always looking for that knockout blow, so proper form tackling goes right out the window for those guys. What more valuable? Tackling a guy properly in the open field after a catch and a gain of 20 yards, or hitting the receiver so hard he drops...
@miltime27 but they choose not to do it.
dude, 7s and 15s are also different sports if you really want to split hairs. Different rules in both. You could also include 10s rugby which is played in several countries world wide. Or beach rugby which is 5 a side on the beach. League devolved from union but is essentially the same game. Just as Canadian football is essentially the same as NFL. Same idea, different rules.
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Why do you think when teams are penalized, it's with loss of territory? Again It means everything!
Why is "free flowing" gamplay so desireable? I'm also a Hockey fan, which is more "free flowing" than Rugby can even imagine.
AF is a different animal. It's flow is that of military strikes. Every play is a game unto itself.
Btw, running out of bounds is most often a strategic choice, and is part of a strategic time management layer of gameplay, that doesn't even exist in Rugby.
That's just 7 in union you spend most of the time in rucks or making tackles.
@CollegeRugbyFilms u hear about england? they get snow and manage to play it in winter..u guys scared of the cold or something?
i'm english mate, sorry but the ground is too hard here to play contact safely. my bro broke 4 bones in his ankle doing so.
let me translate for him *i am american, i have been taught rugby by welsh and english people. i have also played football except that i hate the "no head on head rule". i shall state a number of words with no punctuation. Only the best americans play NFL not people who are rejects of the social normality. Negatat showed up for a scrum and walked around.
For his other comment:
I agree that i am shit, apart from the fact that i am in the middle of a lawsuit and cannot afford my food bill of $250
No there are 30 players on the field? 15 on each team.
@91gt306 eh.i think ur on shaky ground. there r plenty of NFL players who r notoriously bad tacklers. Assante Samuel for example. He would never survive rugby without that skill, but his ability to cover wideouts & get ints makes him an NFL star. A lot of cbs are like that. And I think a lot of NFL coaches would prefer their players "choose" to tackle the correct way. I think over time, whatevr good tacking skills they had have eroded over time for some players
@BodybuildinginTX you didnt pay attention.Take all the football team's wins in their entire history. He is saying that 40% of those wins have been in the past 2 years. get it? As in this coach has used rugby to take a historically terrible program and make it into a contender. To your other point. Yes, training for fball year round would probably be better. But if they dont allow that (which they shouldnt) then rugby's a great offseason sport choice. HS kids should be play more than 1 sport.
if you take the percentage of americans that play football, i can guarantee that this percentage would be lower than that of the rugby players in new zealand
Because he doesn't or because he is incapable? If it is the latter, I would draw your attention to Brad Thorne, Lote Tuquiri, Wendel Sailor, Sonny Bill Williams, Matt Rogers, Andy Farrell, Scott Gibbs, etc. etc. If it is because of contractual obligations to his employer, that is a different matter. But hey, I was just trying to answer a question that you posed in the first place. I mistakenly believed that you did not know anything about rugby, but, obviously, you do.
I agree,thats the rule except if the person is pissed as hell in a law suit so he can pay his food bill to be 250 again to prove it I had 2nd best job in america after nfl football
i did not know i was still in high school, i thugt this was like twitter,unlike u i have a life