Talk about a big distraction, you get Coach Prime if you take his son. Good luck with that scenario. If Rodgers comes back it will only be for a short time. I'm not in for a rebuild, team needs a coach more then a QB right now.
I'm with Jake here. You have to build the infrastructure. Good coaching and a quality GM combo make a world of difference. There is a base of talent here to start with. Get the momentum going forward to create a winning culture.
Haven’t seen anyone bring up the fact that Rodgers was thinking of going to titans when he left packers. And it was due to Vrabel ! It was down to jets and titans for him
Horrible take by Frankie. Tanking next year would be the worst thing they could do. Theres no guarantee the QB you draft is gonna hit, the young talent will definitely want out! And it would be a disastrous start for a new regime
I like when Jake and the guests push back on eachother the Jet youtube space could use a little disagreement and conflict once in awhile. This was an enteraining show.
Just commented this …. That’s why I like Alon as a caller so many callers just regurgitate what Jake says … I like different takes even if I hate the other take
Jake, great battle with Frankie! Happy that Alon went to the realm again! And Bobby singing Santa Claus is Coming to Town towards the end of the show and at the same time insulting the Boss is hysterical!! Thanks for singing Bobby!!😂😂
Vrabel never said that he’d “take the job.” He said that he would be open to taking the job. That could very well mean that he’s trying to increase his leverage with other teams.
If Frankie was following closely he would know that Rodgers had the titans as one of his possible teams when he left packers! And it was down to jets and titans because of VRABEL!
Frankie was preaching. After 14 playoff less years, I fear that the franchise and its fans are so desperate for a taste of winning that they’d rather go all in with a 41 year old QB and settle for a 9-10 win season and a playoff birth, even if it risks delaying a true proper rebuild which has a higher chance of giving us long term success. This approach which is focused solely on ending the playoff drought, is a short term fix that goes against the strategies of sustainable organizations, which prioritize building a foundation for continuous success over fleeting milestones aimed at short term success. I’m as big a Jet fan as any of you, but I refuse to lie to myself and say that the Jets will win a Super Bowl with Rogers. This experiment was a failure (that’s okay), and it’s over.
No one believes that we are all in for next year. The disagreement is how to approach the transition with a new coach and GM. You have to change the culture and find a quarterback of the future. There is no guarantee that tanking will produce a top QB, but it will erode a damaged culture. You have to trust the ability of a new GM to find a QB without destroying the team for a lottery ticket. So many of the top QBs are not top picks now. Coaching matters!!
Is that guy Frankie V drinking? I’ve never heard somebody get so much time to articulate their point and make absolute nonsense. OMG what is he talking about!!!
42:35 Jake I agree with you cause this guy would rather start in a hole and build it the “right way” then on level/ elevated ground with young players getting a winning mentality and playoff experience to build the dynasty we all dream of. And he calls you delusional. . . that’s wild. He want Sauce, G5, and those young guys turn into Jamal. Crazy take
Great point by Jake ..if you want to throw away 25 keep Ulbrich and this terrible staff..any new coach worth his salt would never sign here to tank in 25
ESPN Orlovsky stated Vrabel is interested in coaching the Patriots. Robert Kraft is not happy with the current coach. Woody Johnson has really damaged the Jets.
Give Vrable a 6 year deal, next year for eval, then build on the good. In 26 they have a lot more money, so they can do whatever they have to to get their shot at a franchise QB.
Frankie continues to make an argument about brady and Vrable past relationship with no pull on Vrable decisions where he wants to go. Jake has a lot of good talking points especially why Vrable wants to face Mahomes every year and coach in harder division, also the Raiders lost their chances of getting Sanders here going to the Giants. Frankie acting like Sanders is next coming of Mahomes or Lamar Jackson even Josh Allen seriously. The facts are the Jets has a better roster and more talent for Vrable to come and win right away especially playing in a division that is not tough to win in it seriously
If the QB class is as deep as people think’s it’s going to be in 2026 there should be opportunities to get a good player even in the middle of the first round (not to mention a trade up scenario). Another losing season is going to definitely push guys like Sauce and Garrett out of town, discourage free agents from signing here and the last thing a new regime needs to do is to start out on the wrong foot in this city. The media will dog them relentlessly. Gotta get the right coach and GM, gotta shoot for a winning season next year and if we hit on GM and Coach have faith they’ll find and develop our franchise QB one way or another.
Frankie is legit crazy what Joe Douglass did is a true rebuild he got the qb wrong lol Frankie is wild but once again I like him as a guest cuz he always has a wild take
Packers fan here, still watching since the "who has leverage discussion" from 2 summers ago. I miss when Jake started his livestreams with a little synopsis of what's going on in Jets' world before he brings on his guests. I like his guests but I value Jake's opinion above all....am I the only one? I am probably over stepping my welcome here....any Jets fans agree? Please don't shadow ban me for this.....I am still recovering from the last time I was placed in that sensory deprivation chamber:)
I want to be honest with you guys, i am a pats fan from Boston, and here's what im guessing, yea the jets have a better roster than LV... but that report from the athletic about the owner and his goofy family is brutal, does vrabel want to report to people like that, im guessing not, thats a pretty bad look
Get Vrabel before he’s gone elsewhere! Then see what A Rod can do when healthy With good coaches for a change! **As bad as this year has been his #’s are best we’ve had in Decades!! If it unravels again, then do everyting possible to get setup to draft Arch Manning… who may end up the best of the Mannings…! Just imagine that eh? A Decade of Domination to come. Draft Your foundation from the inside out with O & D lineman and linebackers… F/A’s will be falling over themselves to be a part of it…💰🏆🏆 The football GODS OWE US Big Time!!🏈
Also claiming some of these QBs are the real deal like CJ stroud and Jayden Daniels is premature…. CJ stroud looks mediocre, Jayden Daniels has played great but it’s rookie year but let’s see him next year with a year of film on him
I like having Frankie on cuz it’s good to get seperate views but this team is too good to be the worst team in football next year we won 7 games with Zach Wilson… We have 4 wins this year but should have 8 wins … Tyrod wins minimum 6 games ..: jake u won the debate obviously does Frankie not remember Zach was the number 2 pick lol a top 5 pick doesn’t mean u get the franchise guy
Ustadium guy is dumb, Andy Reid makes 20 mil a year, so how much really is Vrabel gona get? This is not madden, coach salary are super fixed, its more so about the Power and control for coaches and roster talent, this guy is dumb
Jake, I think you contradict your self a little. If ending the playoff drought is as big a deal as you make it out to be, then you can’t look back at 2021 and say even if the Jets successfully tanked for Lawrence things wouldn’t have worked out. If we went 0-16 and got Trev, we undoubtedly make the playoffs in 22 and end the streak. Lawrence isn’t generational but he is average and he was/is much better than Zach Wilson (statistically worst QB ever). Argument to be made that with Lawrence we make the playoffs in 23 as well. Who knows where we would be right now but we also wouldn’t have Rogers, wouldn’t have hired Hackett, and perhaps Lafluer wouldn’t have been fired (his offense was elite with every QB not named ZW). So don’t say tanking does not work because if the Jets did it right in 2021 then by your own account they would have done great things by ending the playoff drought which would have happened with Lawrence.
What a reprehensible "interview". All you want it seems is an echjo chamber agreeing with your take that Vrabel is the answer and we should run things back again. He told you that Vrabel was not even in his Top 2 HC candidates and you never asked who was and why. All you care about is your desire to somehow hope that doing the same thing with a different coach will somehow be the answer. Last year and the year before it was just get competent QB play. Now it's the coaching and yet another super conservative head coach is going to fix things. It is idiotic. You need to do things the right way and not care about 2025. He was right but you just wanted to shout over him that your plan is the only plan. You get good people to interview but you have lost all journalistic integrity and your show has just become a bizarre echo chamber where dissent is not allowed and filled with your creepy sycophants. Kinda sad, you did a good job at once but I guess you think this approach is what will make you money. Unsubscribed and please delete the "free" membership I got which is all you talk about other than Vrabel.
I'm okay with Vrabel going to the Raiders. He was 4th on my list. I don't think he's earned having full control of the roster or input into picking the GM.
If only you argued with Beningo like this. You let him speak nonsense the whole time and make things political. Any opinion different than yours you act like they are so wrong.
@@JakeAsmanI disagree with people that come on a sports pod and make it political. From either side. Yes, I am aware I’m not being forced. I enjoy Jet talk. I haven’t tuned in when he’s on in a while.
Did you agree with Frankie or Jake during the debate on the best path forward for the Jets future?
Talk about a big distraction, you get Coach Prime if you take his son. Good luck with that scenario. If Rodgers comes back it will only be for a short time. I'm not in for a rebuild, team needs a coach more then a QB right now.
I'm with Jake here. You have to build the infrastructure. Good coaching and a quality GM combo make a world of difference. There is a base of talent here to start with. Get the momentum going forward to create a winning culture.
Haven’t seen anyone bring up the fact that Rodgers was thinking of going to titans when he left packers. And it was due to Vrabel ! It was down to jets and titans for him
Horrible take by Frankie. Tanking next year would be the worst thing they could do. Theres no guarantee the QB you draft is gonna hit, the young talent will definitely want out! And it would be a disastrous start for a new regime
Frankie
Frankie is a top 3 guest. Hoping for more of him
I like when Jake and the guests push back on eachother the Jet youtube space could use a little disagreement and conflict once in awhile. This was an enteraining show.
Just commented this …. That’s why I like Alon as a caller so many callers just regurgitate what Jake says … I like different takes even if I hate the other take
Tthis was a heavyweight bout. Maybe the best piece of Jets content I've seen in a while. You guys are also nuts LOL
This guy has the football IQ of a 13 year old.
The amount of times he says “i agree” without actually agreeing at all is insane
I hate the belief that you have to tank to get a franchise quarterback, if you like a prospect you give up assets not seasons !
Jake, great battle with Frankie! Happy that Alon went to the realm again! And Bobby singing Santa Claus is Coming to Town towards the end of the show and at the same time insulting the Boss is hysterical!! Thanks for singing Bobby!!😂😂
Vrabel never said that he’d “take the job.” He said that he would be open to taking the job. That could very well mean that he’s trying to increase his leverage with other teams.
“Stuck in mediocrity” is a term for the Steelers, we aren’t even mediocre. And it’s been since Rex minus 2015
If Frankie was following closely he would know that Rodgers had the titans as one of his possible teams when he left packers! And it was down to jets and titans because of VRABEL!
Frankie was preaching. After 14 playoff less years, I fear that the franchise and its fans are so desperate for a taste of winning that they’d rather go all in with a 41 year old QB and settle for a 9-10 win season and a playoff birth, even if it risks delaying a true proper rebuild which has a higher chance of giving us long term success. This approach which is focused solely on ending the playoff drought, is a short term fix that goes against the strategies of sustainable organizations, which prioritize building a foundation for continuous success over fleeting milestones aimed at short term success. I’m as big a Jet fan as any of you, but I refuse to lie to myself and say that the Jets will win a Super Bowl with Rogers. This experiment was a failure (that’s okay), and it’s over.
No one believes that we are all in for next year. The disagreement is how to approach the transition with a new coach and GM. You have to change the culture and find a quarterback of the future. There is no guarantee that tanking will produce a top QB, but it will erode a damaged culture. You have to trust the ability of a new GM to find a QB without destroying the team for a lottery ticket. So many of the top QBs are not top picks now. Coaching matters!!
Agree Jake is an if guy it’s an is business!
@@JeffGoldberg561you are talking to someone who can’t think at that level. No point.
Loved Bobby’s Song!!🎉🌲 💚🤍
Is that guy Frankie V drinking? I’ve never heard somebody get so much time to articulate their point and make absolute nonsense. OMG what is he talking about!!!
LOL that was so funny the Arod/B-mac video! REPEAT please 😂 too funny
42:35 Jake I agree with you cause this guy would rather start in a hole and build it the “right way” then on level/ elevated ground with young players getting a winning mentality and playoff experience to build the dynasty we all dream of. And he calls you delusional. . . that’s wild. He want Sauce, G5, and those young guys turn into Jamal. Crazy take
Great point by Jake ..if you want to throw away 25 keep Ulbrich and this terrible staff..any new coach worth his salt would never sign here to tank in 25
Way to go Connor! He is a mini Jake!😢😅😊
ESPN Orlovsky stated Vrabel is interested in coaching the Patriots. Robert Kraft is not happy with the current coach. Woody Johnson has really damaged the Jets.
Arch manning is who we should be preparing for in the future
Ive actually read that he could pull a Eli and refuse to play for certain teams Aka the Jets
Give Vrable a 6 year deal, next year for eval, then build on the good. In 26 they have a lot more money, so they can do whatever they have to to get their shot at a franchise QB.
Frankie continues to make an argument about brady and Vrable past relationship with no pull on Vrable decisions where he wants to go. Jake has a lot of good talking points especially why Vrable wants to face Mahomes every year and coach in harder division, also the Raiders lost their chances of getting Sanders here going to the Giants. Frankie acting like Sanders is next coming of Mahomes or Lamar Jackson even Josh Allen seriously. The facts are the Jets has a better roster and more talent for Vrable to come and win right away especially playing in a division that is not tough to win in it seriously
Jake you and this guy brought entertainment today but damn you schooled his ass
If the QB class is as deep as people think’s it’s going to be in 2026 there should be opportunities to get a good player even in the middle of the first round (not to mention a trade up scenario). Another losing season is going to definitely push guys like Sauce and Garrett out of town, discourage free agents from signing here and the last thing a new regime needs to do is to start out on the wrong foot in this city. The media will dog them relentlessly. Gotta get the right coach and GM, gotta shoot for a winning season next year and if we hit on GM and Coach have faith they’ll find and develop our franchise QB one way or another.
Frankie is legit crazy what Joe Douglass did is a true rebuild he got the qb wrong lol Frankie is wild but once again I like him as a guest cuz he always has a wild take
Packers fan here, still watching since the "who has leverage discussion" from 2 summers ago. I miss when Jake started his livestreams with a little synopsis of what's going on in Jets' world before he brings on his guests. I like his guests but I value Jake's opinion above all....am I the only one? I am probably over stepping my welcome here....any Jets fans agree? Please don't shadow ban me for this.....I am still recovering from the last time I was placed in that sensory deprivation chamber:)
Appreciate you tuning into the show! Wish I was a Packers fan haha!
Bet Frankie has his covid booster
Never have him on again Jake… thanks!
im new here Jake.. trying to figure nav out
I'm sorry but Frankie has some terrible takes.
Frankie V has some god awful takes. Thank god he’s not making decisions for this team
I can’t bare another terrible season, that’s a terrible take by Frankie
This guy keeps going back to the same talking points that are not football related. He doesnt know what he is talking about 😂
It wouldn't shock me if Belicheat suggested to vrabel to coach the Giants
I want to be honest with you guys, i am a pats fan from Boston, and here's what im guessing, yea the jets have a better roster than LV... but that report from the athletic about the owner and his goofy family is brutal, does vrabel want to report to people like that, im guessing not, thats a pretty bad look
Bruce Springsteen is the Boss! Jake you should know that!!
Shadow realm frankie
This conversation is exactly why the jets job is not good
After the two puff pieces I have no faith in this franchise until proven otherwise
This dude is 🤡
David T 😆
Parcells came in and had us winning from day 1, and the 96 team didn’t have as much talent as this one,
Get Vrabel before he’s gone elsewhere! Then see what A Rod can do when healthy With good coaches for a change! **As bad as this year has been his #’s are best we’ve had in Decades!!
If it unravels again, then do everyting possible to get setup to draft Arch Manning… who may end up the best of the Mannings…! Just imagine that eh? A Decade of Domination to come.
Draft Your foundation from the inside out with O & D lineman and linebackers… F/A’s will be falling over themselves to be a part of it…💰🏆🏆
The football GODS OWE US Big Time!!🏈
With Frankie on this one, this team is going nowhere next year & your paying rodgers too, no sense in delaying the rebuild.
Also claiming some of these QBs are the real deal like CJ stroud and Jayden Daniels is premature…. CJ stroud looks mediocre, Jayden Daniels has played great but it’s rookie year but let’s see him next year with a year of film on him
Is Frankie woody Johnson’s other kid? Dude prob wanted gase with his takes
I like having Frankie on cuz it’s good to get seperate views but this team is too good to be the worst team in football next year we won 7 games with Zach Wilson… We have 4 wins this year but should have 8 wins … Tyrod wins minimum 6 games ..: jake u won the debate obviously does Frankie not remember Zach was the number 2 pick lol a top 5 pick doesn’t mean u get the franchise guy
I’m tired of re-builds, this guy is talking about 8 years down the line
It really doesn't matter ...you fire everyone mid-season to......rebuild
All of this guys opinions are the exact opposite of what any team should do, holy shit it’s terrible 😂😂
Ustadium guy is dumb, Andy Reid makes 20 mil a year, so how much really is Vrabel gona get? This is not madden, coach salary are super fixed, its more so about the Power and control for coaches and roster talent, this guy is dumb
Sanders is fool's gold
Jake, I think you contradict your self a little. If ending the playoff drought is as big a deal as you make it out to be, then you can’t look back at 2021 and say even if the Jets successfully tanked for Lawrence things wouldn’t have worked out. If we went 0-16 and got Trev, we undoubtedly make the playoffs in 22 and end the streak. Lawrence isn’t generational but he is average and he was/is much better than Zach Wilson (statistically worst QB ever). Argument to be made that with Lawrence we make the playoffs in 23 as well. Who knows where we would be right now but we also wouldn’t have Rogers, wouldn’t have hired Hackett, and perhaps Lafluer wouldn’t have been fired (his offense was elite with every QB not named ZW). So don’t say tanking does not work because if the Jets did it right in 2021 then by your own account they would have done great things by ending the playoff drought which would have happened with Lawrence.
Jets have a better roster but ownership is to much
Involved;Woody is a cancer to this franchise
Bad bad takes from Frankie. 😑
I like Frankie, but I TOTALLY disagree with his take on this pod, terrible ideas on this one, Frankie.
This dude is Debbie downer and negative Nancy rolled into one. No mas with this guy
Jake this guys clueless.
Frankie makes 0 sense
Sounds about right Raiders get Vrabel and jets maybe get a has been Carroll
I'm with Frani. All aboard the Tankathon in 2025?
I AM TIRED OF LOSING OK, HOW MANY BUST QBS IN THE FIRST ROUND, I WOULD NOT DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB OK!!!!!
Mmmkay
Franie fraud.... Lol
What a reprehensible "interview". All you want it seems is an echjo chamber agreeing with your take that Vrabel is the answer and we should run things back again. He told you that Vrabel was not even in his Top 2 HC candidates and you never asked who was and why. All you care about is your desire to somehow hope that doing the same thing with a different coach will somehow be the answer. Last year and the year before it was just get competent QB play. Now it's the coaching and yet another super conservative head coach is going to fix things. It is idiotic. You need to do things the right way and not care about 2025. He was right but you just wanted to shout over him that your plan is the only plan. You get good people to interview but you have lost all journalistic integrity and your show has just become a bizarre echo chamber where dissent is not allowed and filled with your creepy sycophants. Kinda sad, you did a good job at once but I guess you think this approach is what will make you money. Unsubscribed and please delete the "free" membership I got which is all you talk about other than Vrabel.
Thanks for watching my friend, enjoy the rest of your day!
I'm okay with Vrabel going to the Raiders. He was 4th on my list. I don't think he's earned having full control of the roster or input into picking the GM.
He has earned that kind of respect, he’s an outstanding coach.
If only you argued with Beningo like this. You let him speak nonsense the whole time and make things political. Any opinion different than yours you act like they are so wrong.
Just say you disagree with Joe politically and don’t watch the segment with him. Nobody is forcing you to tune in.
Leave Joe alone ok .go.treat ur tds
@@JakeAsmanI disagree with people that come on a sports pod and make it political. From either side. Yes, I am aware I’m not being forced. I enjoy Jet talk. I haven’t tuned in when he’s on in a while.
Because this guy is a horrible analyst and knows nothing about the Jets. Nothing to do with JB 😂
This guy sucks
Mark Davis got the money now so we spending.
This guy is annoying,
Rodgers doesn't make this more attractive, he makes it less attractive. Especially for Vrabel
Are you really this clueless? Vrabel LOVES Rodgers. Read and educate yourself
Jets are trash the raiders are a way better job
Vegas clearly has a better facility
@yoholmes273 and the new York media is ass. The worst media besides LA.
Frankie is awful