NorBoLine Theory - ParaNorman, Coraline, and Kubo & the Two Strings are ALL Connected! - The Fangirl
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- Okay, I had a little break-through, and I've now connected three of the four Laika movies! ParaNorman, Coraline, and Kubo & the Two Strings all share a common thread - the Beldam!
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I also want to add to this theory that Agatha might be the Beldam's daughter. Aggie was killed as a witch and I think Coraline is witch. At the beginning she is dowsing for water, also called water witching. She uses an oak branch, a tree sacred to Druids and Witches throughout history. Her father calls her a 'twitchy-witchy' girl. Coraline is left handed and in Arabic countries, they believe the left hand is the devil's hand. Perhaps the Beldam lured Coraline's family to the Pink Palace. She may have sent her feelers out to find a child with magical abilities either to keep herself rejuvenated or because she missed Aggie. Coraline says she's originally from Michigan and her mother gets into an accident so they go ALL the way to Oregon? Coraline has suitcase with blue flowers on it. 5 pointed flowers allude to the pentagram(the 5 pointed witch's star) and inside is a hat with a lotus flower on it. The 7th chakra is a purple lotus at the top of our heads that governs spiritual awakening, psychic(magic) abilities and our connection to the Universe as a whole. And why are Misses Spink and Forcible into the occult? I think Wybie might be aware of the occult as well because he knows about water witching. Witches are often accompanied by a familiar(owls, toads, black cats!)and it's apparent that he talks to the cat and the cat also talks back.
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Holy wow! It happened again! Lol! In the last 30 seconds of my ParaNorman theory (being released on August 18th), I bring up the concept of how Agatha's mother could be the Beldam (because of the Massachusetts location/whatnot), though it's very briefly at the end of my vid, but wow! We have some similar ideas...
At the time, all I had was the location evidence, so in the vid I call the mom-Beldam idea a bit over-the-top-outlandish, but based off of your evidence, I think tis a bit more convincing than I thought before
The Theorizer MAYBE THE BELDAM MADE THIS WORLD SO SHE COULD REMEMBER AGATHA?!,!?!!( v #collab?
that's what I say in my upcoming video, but I still really glossed over it. The main theory is about Agatha's mom before Agatha's death, and not her life afterwards.
Collab???
If it helps, I had to go over your Moana theory to make sure it didn't already use the the idea that my daughter pitched me.
I think the theorizing gods are sending us a sign. Fate is telling us it's time we sit down for a collaborative project.
Lol I like how there's always like this perfect Paranorman-Coraline-Kubo Triforce that we fawn over, and then there's the Boxtrolls that we forget/actively brush aside 😅
Whoops finished the video and you addressed that Boxtrolls might come in later. But I still stand by the fact that Boxtrolls doesn't seem to "fit in" like the others and I find that amusing.
The Boxtrolls really is so weird compared to the others. It's lacks that haunting quality and it's got such an odd feel to it all around. Even as a solo movie it never clicked with me, just not my cup of tea.
The Fangirl box trolls backstory is basically about an orphan boy who gets adopted by them
Yeah, they're definitely not connected. Maybe they all take place in the same universe, but The Boxtrolls seems much more likely to be the start of a completely different story. Maybe the next Laika film will be connected to The Boxtrolls.
Maybe she's taking the children because she wants other parents to feel the way she did when she lost hers and perhaps she takes children that have a connection to the judges that called agatha a witch.
True
Paranorman always makes me cry... it's probably because I'm a little crybaby when it comes to sad/emotional things. I just couldn't handle the feels, man. ;-;
Oh Sangwoo i feel u
Coraline: Speaks to the dead (sometimes)
Kubo: Speaks to the dead
Norman: Speaks to the dead
Agetha(I'm guessing how to spell it): Speaks to the dead
See where I'm going here?
Oh yeah, Agatha, Norman, and Kubo are all related in my opinion. Coraline is a possibility, but there's no solid connection that presents itself right away. Maybe she's one of Kubo's great-great-great-great-great grandchildren.
Sounds like the bleach anime
I found another connection in the Kuboline theory. The hand that's holding the sword in Kubo resembals the hand clouds at the end of Coraline and the Beldams hands. I'm not sure if you said it but I thought it was worth a mention. Hope this helps! 😊😊
+TheFangirl +TheTheorizer I think that you two should finish the Laika connection - two heads are better than one and all that
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PARANORMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have it on CD and watch it all the time again and again.🤣
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you mean DVD
what if the Beldam IS Agatha?????
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OOOOH NICE THEORY 👍☺
that was also MY IDEA!!! (oh and what if {before corline} the beldam, and Ms. jones were long lost SISTERS!! (mind blown!) and what happened to the beldam/Agatha became the motives for why she is the way she is. its PERFECT!!!
Then she can’t be kubo’s aunt
evan potter well then that wouldn’t work with the theory that the beldam shapeshifts to look like the kids parents to lure them in and say she is their other mother
Coraline is the best
Totally
Yes I was born in 2009 haha my parents said I watched it as a baby
I like kubo
I like paranorman he’s dope
I know I’m super late but
Coraline is for horror
Paranorman for comedy
Kubo for action
And the box trolls is extremely forgettable
I literally had to to go back to your kubo theory because I hadn't seen the kuboline one yet but here I am 3 videos later & now I need to watch all three & maybe even the box trolls just for kicks haha wonderful points though I really do enjoy your input on these films
If the beldam can speak to ghosts wouldn’t she be able to speak to her daughter, could the beldam give her daughter the soul of one of her victims so she can return to human form. that just a theory. I love your channel I’ve been watching it all day
Hello! I am just wondering, If Agatha WAS called a which and has all these supernatural abilities per say, Like being able to talk to desised ones and whatnot, And then having the Glowing magic orb and Witch ora around her shown in the picture at 3:59, Then is it possible that Maybe Agatha IS the Beldam? i mean, She has all the checkmarks:
She has a motive to turn evil: check: everyone calling her a which and her parent(s) abandoning her
Glowing orb ora thing: check: HOWEVER- i Must point out, that although the beldam has no distinct features of the glowing ora thing, she WAS capable of luring kids into this alternate pocket universe where SHE created the pink palace limbo. So you know, close enough. So perosing that, maybe she was able to control her powers?
AND THEN:: at 4:28, you state that BELDAM wasn't her actual name, SO- her real name could be, Agatha as it has never been mentioned in the movie AT ALL.
Then, you state that " beldam" is an old fashioned word for "which" which Agatha was called during trial.
Now, looking at the pictures at 4:37 and 4:41, The Beldam looks like a grown version of Agatha. Although it has been many decades since Agatha was killed, that would give her time to rebuild herself, make a plan to kill anyone in the bloodline of the people who killed her. So what I'm guessing, The Beldam is killing people (more specifically kids) because she docent know the ancestors of who killed her. AND SO
The Magic Sand: It might not be magic sand at all! It could be power from the beldam (Agatha). She has like all these little minions and is able to transform into any parent or anything you have a close bond to, that would put her motives and full steam.
1 Make victims feel comfortable
2 Persuade kids that i and this place is better than the real world
3 Cut out kids eyes
4 Avenge my death for my powers
I know this is ALOT to take in, but just watch paranormal and the scenes with Agatha in it and THEN just watch the scenes with Beldam in it in Coraline. It kinda DOES make sense if you think about it.
OH AND PLEASE DO THIS AS A THEROY IN THE FUTERE!!
hey fan girl I think i found a plot hole in your limbo pink palace theory.
well if the picture of Mrs Lobats (i'm sorry if i spelt it wrong) sister was taken before she disappeared then how did she return to the real world to take said picture, and she was in the Beldam's grasp because she had the doll. so how could she go to the real world if she was only able to go to the limbo pink palace?
maybe like the stairs in harry potter it moved again?
Actually, I have a few thoughts about that, but instead of typing it all out here, I might just make it into a theory for the not-too-distant future. :) Thanks!
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Personally I would say that Agatha is not the child of one of Kubo's aunts/ the Beldam, but a younger version. The Beldam was never human but maybe not a God either. I mean demi-gods have powers too. So maybe Agatha grew up and her powers evolved over time. She's always been evil so why suddenly go out and have a kid with someone and then completely forget about her? This is just a theory and hasn't had much thought put into it so is easily discredited but it somewhat makes sense right?
Some more evidence for Coraline being stuck in the Limbo Palace: At the end of the movie- in the garden scene- the camera zoooms out and we see the whole garden. It's shaped like Coraline's head, all down to the dragonfly pin. That'd be an awfully odd coincidence, and a very large mistake on Laika's part.
omg good job for noticing!!!
Can you do all the stop motion de in the same universe of some sorts
Coralines number 1
So happy to see a video of yours pop up on my notifications. Your theories surprise me every time and I'm convinced mid through the video. I know your plate is full, but it would be cool to see Treasure planet, like who is jims dad? Your material is awesome!
Aww, thank you! I am actually working on a lot of Disney right now, so Treasure Planet might just cross my path in the next few weeks/months.
Paranoman,alike Coraline,Corpse bride,The nightmare before Christmas,Kubo and the two strings,and pretty much every creepy film,is great at keeping secrets hidden!
wow! this blew my mind. you are a really good theory girl and i love ur theories to death! keep up the good work
I really loved watching this theory because I love all four of the movies mentioned in the video. Thank you!
U know the drill
U might know the screw to😂😂
Oof
Ha
Let's play a game
Every time you say The Belldam, I'll eat a jellybean
If coraline is 100 yrs old, then what about the years - that are more recent than 100 years ago - above the bowls of candy in the two old lady's home
I love your theories I never thought of using them all and making one big Theory out of them
You know now that I think of it. Its possible that all three movies are connected each character had clues that there connected from magic to the dead to even all three movies where about the main kids
Great video like always and i thought the same thing that those 3 movies were connected great video love this
If this theory were to hold water, then Norman would be descended from the Beldam as well. He is related to Aggie via his mother. His uncle is Mr. Prenderghast. Prenderghast is also Aggie's last name. Aggie's mother had more children than just Aggie. We also know that the magic isn't inherent in everyone in the line. Norman's mother and sister can't see the dead until Aggie awakens. By then everyone in town sees them.
Sorry i could not comment erlier about this(i was on a trip)
But Thank You again For Putting the fan art in the video
I JUST SAW KUBO AND THE TWO STRINGS AND IM SO HAPPY THIS CAME OUT!!
Ride to theory town! SUCH INTEREST AHHHH I LOVE THESEEEE
I was thinking about all your theories and I may have something about the Paraline(?)theory. I saw all your Coraline theories and you said in one of them that the cat can be working for the Beldam because he had her "claw" on his hear,I thought than,back in the days when she had Agatha,she had a husband too,and maybe he noticed that she had this powers and told all the village but not meaning than she was dangerous,but everybody thought so and started to haunt her as a witch,so she escaped in Oregon and his husband followed her 'cause he still was in love,maybe,and she decided to keep him with her transforming him in a cat,wich means bad luck,wich is what he bought her,and is always witch's pet,so maybe she decided then than she actually wanted to become what everybody thought she was,but never stopped looking for her daughter too...I don't know,it could make any sense but,I just thought about it
Ok idk if it’s just ur voice then makes me believe things or smth else but literally in love w this theory
Oh you're such a sweetheart to listen to. Love your videos 💕
Aww thank you!
My mind is just blown away you always give me something to think about every day 🤔🤔🤔😊
Aww, thank you Mia!
Wait!
What da Beldam is Agatha
:o
Such mind blown
Owlursus Boi but what happens if she wants to go back? If she's a witch she can easily do magic and go into a human body, she can become evil with dark magic cause the most powerful magic IS dark magic and wouldn't the beldam need magic to make the other world cause its obviously all white. So she needs magic. Get it? Probably not but she can talk to ghosts if she can talk to the ghost children
James Hyfield No that wouldn't make sense I mean check out the theorizer's theory on if agatha's mother is the Beldam
I did Massachusetts as my colony for our social studies billboard test in school.
Btw, Fangirl, I'm agreeing VERY MUCH with your theories and watch them any time I geg the chance to and I am allowed to!
The way you sad Agatha was "murdered" tho...
there was a judgement against her, so she wasn't murdered but executed
Hey! on a red car there is something on the bumper that says "My other car is a broom"
What if the beldam came to the real world and brought Agatha to the tree pretending to be her mother? I think the tree might have something to do with the other world. Dunno though
This is awesome x
I appreciate the analysis of all three movies. I noticed that at 2:54 of this particular video the Other Mother's robe. This may be a moot point and something you noticed. However, i noticed the cut and embellishment that adorn the robe. They appear to be Eastern Asian in origin. Where would the Beldam/ Other Mother get the idea to form material to make those embellishments? Or the cut of the robe? You may have already noticed and I am very late to the Norboline Land, but I thought that I should drop this thought here. Another detail that adds weight to your theory.
Congratulations on 48k :)
Omg, that was amazing!
this theory punched me right in the face, i loved it
I really like this theory. It makes a lot of sense and is really cool to think about. It would be really cool if somehow all these characters could meet. Like maybe, if Coraline was stuck in the other world, maybe a way she could escape was through reaching out to Norman for help through some kind of psychic connection... MAYBE, the cat is actually the lingering spirit of Kubo, who grew up and died, but realized one of his aunts was still out there, and goes around trying to help her victims? Or even if not, maybe his spirit could still help connect Coraline to Norman, the only one who can get her back to the world of the living... :O
I just love how they r animated
Now all we need is @filmtheorist and we should be good
This is an amazing theory with in-depth analysis. I hope to make a fan video about this theory 1 day.
lol, make it now! :)
Haha, I wish it was easy. Rick and Morty fan video coming in 4 weeks.
I don't believe that Kubo and Coraline are connected but I do like this theory that Agatha was the other mother's daughter
I feel like some people would call this a bit of a stretch, but I fucking love it all the same! headcanon accepted, at the very least...
+TheFanGirl The other mother is a Japanese spirit of a woman that has lost her child but not a goddess
This makes so much sense lol I have watch all this movies except for boxtrols I'm gonna go watch it right now
Great theory! You are amazing!
Thank you
Oh can I try to add to the theory?
Well basically I thought:
"Wait, this theory does not make sense, because why would Agatha be a demigod, if Norman and his uncle had the same powers, even his uncle demonstrated that he was a very powerful ghost compared to others by basically making a toilet explode due to his emotions, Agatha isn't too abnormal to be a demigod."
But then it hit me. Norman could be the descendant of Kubo!
This would make sense, since he would have the same powers of Agatha, and his uncle having the same powers. So that would mean that Norman is the descendant of the moon king (from his mother's side) giving him the powers that he has now.
(plus there's that scene of Kubo hanging with his ghost mom and dad at the end of the move)
Holy missing link was just announced by laika and I can’t wait to see how it’s gonna tie into this theory. This is kinda like the Pixar theory
The Beldam could be Agatha plot twist
just a quick note i want to add after watching this video (great job by the way!). In the other world from coraline, it is only night time with the full moon in the sky. i believe this can be connected to kubo because his grandfather and aunts belong to the MOON kingdom and because (if i remember correctly....) kubo's aunts only come to confront him at night (which is why his mother in the begining of the movie doesnt want kubo to be out when its night time). when i say this i believe that the aunts strength are at their strongest when it it night time and the moon is out. if that is true, this could be why the beldam keeps the other world in night time so that her powers can be at their strongest. this can also be proven (or potentially proven) because the beldam uses her "powers" with a great amount of strength when the moon is full and when coraline gathers the ghost children's eyes and the moon gets darker, the beldam gets weaker. still trying to think of how to connect paranorman to all of this....... anyways here is my "quick" thought i hope it can help with something!! :D
Thanks for the post.
I would think they would just be easter eggs left by the company for the viewers to point out, but this works too
I love your theories ❤️ greats from 🇨🇭 👌🏻😅
YYAAAAAASSSSS CORALINE IS BACK
So I don't know if you or some one else connected this cause I haven't seen all your videos yet any or others on Paranorman and it's currently 10pm so I'm too tired to look, I'm sorry. But configuring a sleep schedule for college, which starts in three days.
Either way I've always thought of Norman as being a descendant/relative of Agatha and her family. Their similar appearance and his family's generation skipping, closely related, powers.
What if the mother of Agatha had a younger child, or was with child and forced to give it up because her first born was accused of witchcraft.
I say younger because generation skipping(maybe this comes later from increasingly muddied bloodlines, idk) and Agatha didn't mention older siblings or any siblings, but either way an older sibling would probably be executed too on the grounds they may just be a witch like Agatha and being older, unsavable.
But a younger kid could be "rehabilitated". So again what if there was another child born with or without powers and taken away at a young age and raised to prevent it from becoming Agatha and on a personal mission or whatever, to keep Agatha from fulfilling her curse.
And as their kids were born with powers they trained them based on what memories they had or what they were told about poor Agatha.
And seeing how much power Agatha had while dead, she was obviously quite powerful when alive. And seeing what power Norman has, maybe the bloodline becomes muddied and weak (so much so as to skip generations, IF that does come later in the family) as more regular humans are added to it. Causing weaker powers, probably why he couldn't even put her back to sleep. He didn't have enough power. But the rest of his ancestors could. He also probably connected more with her still by being a relative and she subconsciously recognized that.
Idk I'm tired but this is what my brain concocted at 10:57 pm so enjoy. I hope it makes sense and adds life to your theory in some way. Either way enjoy and I'm sorry for any grammar mistakes. I woke up at 11:30 to add on to this. Paranorman is a favorite of mine and I have a lot of theories on it.
Also I'm not taking credit for the base of him being related, because it's probably meant to be implied, I'm mainly trying to say why his powers may be weak and why his family is against Agatha. Plus how he too could be related to "beldam" and Agatha.
Again I'm tired and haven't looked anything up and this comment is basically spur of the moment. (Already considering deleting it) and have no base other what's really obvious (his relation to agatha) and how or why his powers are weaker and how he again, may be related to The Aunt/Beldam.
If any one believes I've stolen an idea or used to many already existing ideas, please alert me and I'll delete this post. Thank you for even taking the time to read this
But there's a lukia theory that no one has ever made and solved (hope I spelled it right)
Why are guys hair colour black
* Laika
I love it definitely a great theory if one like to do a crossover with the three
This theory is AMAZING!!! But I just ended up questioning myself: how can Norman see ghosts if, at least in this theory, he is not related to the Moon King???
I think Agatha and Norman are related on his mother's side
If the boxtrolls is connected will you call it eggsnorboline ?
MAN UR TOO GOOD!!!
Dear The Fangirl, I have some evidence that the beldam is one of the sisters from kubo and the two strings, notice how the beldam and the sister are both right handed and Agatha from paranorman is also right handed ( I think) so it is quite possible Agatha could be the daughter of the beldam. greetings from the UK
I'm kinda worried you may not find much connecting all of these movies. The BoxTrolls is gonna be a tricky cuz there's nothing really 'paranormal'. just a town with little monsters. but i may have a thought for you: Perhaps, the order of the beldam's story is Kubo, Boxtrolls, Paranorman, and then Coraline. In Kubo, when the Beldam is 'first formed', perhaps she wandered and found her way to Cheesebridge. What if in The Boxtrolls, the Beldam is trying out her new shapeshifting abilities and posing as Winnifred's mother (Lady Portlyrind). She tries to adjust herself and her personality, trying to make an image that children will like. But since she's so new at the game, she's not the best mother to Winnifred (explaining why she's barely in the movie). She does her best, not trying to make her Limbo worlds or any sort of thing. The Boxtrolls could be the recovery area if you will for the Beldam. A safe place to rest, recover, and to experiment her new abilities
Wow I never thought of that
Wait, so did she start in Japan? Go across the sea pass Oregon. Go to Massachusetts and end up in Oregon again or did she across the sea into Asia, then Europe across the sea again to get to the Americas. Go to Massachusetts and then Oregon?
can’t wait for The Box TroNoBoLine
So that why Coraline, ParaNorman and Kubo are my most favorite LAIKA movie ever. Especially Coraline and ParaNorman... after I watching this video, so I make "Coraline, Norman and Kubo vs Sinister"😁👍
hi so i was watching all your coraline videos and i realized there hasn't been a reason why there is an interest with the gardening. so I've seen the movie a couple of times and noticed that the tunnel to the other world looks like a rose almost. Her parents know alot about gardening so what if the other mother saw this when coraline was taking the doll with her especially when she was talking to her parents, and figured why not make the tunnel a blue rose (we associate blue with calm, and obviously coraline also likes gardening). do you think this could be another way the other mother got coraline to go through the door?. i haven't read the book so i don't know all the details. but do you think that coraline and her family's hobby of gardening could be apart of a bigger picture? i mean the other mother even makes a special garden for coraline. it was just a thought so i hope you read this.
How did i miss that
I believe they're connected! :3
Ohhh that's so cool
I don't think the box trolls and this is connected. I've seen it 3 times and I don't see any connection to it but I also wasn't looking for a connection at that time
In general, I really like this theory! But, you added a point about the ghosts from the book, and Neil Gaiman wasn't thinking about Paranorman or Kubo during his writing that. So, idk. .
Lets not forget that the Beldam can shapeshift into anybody's mother, thats how she seeks the children.
Personally? I dont think these movies are connected per say, but Coraline and Paranorman definately take place in the same universe and around the same time
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Good point
I was just thinking the will guy and Caroline had kubo as a son and Agatha's mother was the beldam like you said
Abby could be the beldams daughter since she’s a witch and did get hanged for that but also
Maybe the bedlam missed aggy and decided to get others children and lure them in her trap for revenge or something like that-
But I also think Agatha is the bedlam since her soul could turn into the beldam?
Maybe the Beldam doesn't know he daughter is dead (maybe she forgot or something or refused to accept it and thought it was a dream) and lours these children in to hopefully one day find her daughter among the children, and she mistaked Coraline for her lost daughter. I don't really know, I haven't seen ParaNorman or whatever but there's my theory lol
What about the boxtrolls I feel like it has something to do with this
Interesting theory. But I can't really get behind it as Coralime was originally just adapted from a book. I don't think Laila would build a universe around that.
But the book is very different from the movie too. So, that's like comparing Disney's Hercules to mythologies Hercules - some things will overlap, but a lot of things are only from the movie.
I'm not trying to say the movie is the same as the book? I'm sorry if it came off that way. I'm simply saying that I think it's rather doubtful a that there was any intention to build a connected universe with something that was an adaption while the others are original. If that makes any more sense?
(On an off-topic note I'm not a big fan of Hercules the Disney version. I do love the music and the greek/roman art influences but that's about it. The way they handled the mythology itself I wasn't exactly too fond of. Sure they have to make it kid-friendly and they had to have some sort of antagonist...but poor Hades and the Titans. The way they depicted the underworld was also a disservice to the mythology.)
I went back and rewatched a few of your Coroline theories and while most of them I agreed and understood, I began to ponder you theories. If everything your saying is true (or even plausible, which it is), then how is the Belldam related to M(r)s. Lovat? And who could the cat truly be? Could the cat be (by Kubo's movie) the Belldams brother, M(r)s. Lovat's son or brother or Agatha's father. I am curious to know and would appreciate any theories and/or proof you could show me that would tie your previous theories together. Thanks.
Ok this video is very interning 🙏
kubo and the two strings is my favorite story
And also Coraline yells at the bedlam “ EVIL WITCH”
The image of the woman kissing the little boy is from once upon a time
P.s it’s so good 🙂🙂
The first two season were soooo good! OUAT lost me when Gold started finding other villains hanging out in the real world outside of Storybrook.
And they don't stop coming
Im really sad kubo didnt do so well in the box office. Its an amazing movie. Its so amazing
Oh god I'm early, I don't know what to comment
Mr Glasses
Like same though
Well its been 2 years now...