I have to give Letitia huge credit for taking the task of going from supporting character to being the emotional center of the movie. She did it incredibly it's my second favorite movie of the year
I'll never complain about a movie with "too long" a run time. Much preferred for me, as opposed to "too short", and lacking needed elements. In total agreement regarding Winston Duke! Loved him as an actor, since his portrayal of "Mini" on "Person of Interest"! Thanks for the review! Love your channel!
Very few people remember his role in Person of Interest, and I enjoyed his performance in that! Thanks for pointing it out. I kind of feel bad for the way they handled his character (sniper shot). After that big climax, he deserved a better death than that.
Nah. Bloat can severely, if not irreparably, damage the narrative, tension, flow, and overall enjoyment of films. From the last James Bond, No Time To Die (which admittedly had other problems too) to the otherwise excellent Blade Runner 2049, there are tons of films that are screaming to have 10 to 20 minutes shaved off. Knowing what to leave out is as essential as knowing what to leave in.
@@ElectroPopSelection Good point regarding how his arc concluded! Amazingly composed, and nuanced character performance! In a show stuffed with an embarrassment of talent, Mr Duke rose to the occasion!
Less is more you can enjoy deleted scenes Concepts and other things to expand it but if it hurts the overall story due to bloat or fatigue then it drags.
Has the MCU really leaned too much on comedy in phase 4, though? More on the serious side: WandaVision (?) Falcon And Winter Soldier Loki Black Widow Shang-Chi Eternals Hawkeye Moon Knight Ms. Marvel Doctor Strange 2 Werewolf By Night More on the comedy side Thor: Love And Thunder She-Hulk
SO glad to hear your positive review! I’ve TOTALLY been with you about the yuk-yuk comedy approach in most of phase 4. It’s great to hear that this one gets back to the Marvel most of us love.
I thought it was amazing. It really talks about culture, dealing with loss, handle your demons. This is top notch marvel. Probably up there in my higher marvel films. I did enjoy this more than the first film.
That’s just how RiRi is. Even in most of her own books. I always thought she’d be a good villain but them making a black girl an evil person is less likely than me becoming US president in todays election 🤷🏾♂️😱🤪👍🏾
Thanks for your honest review. I tend to agree that sometimes less is more and that can be just as powerful. I'm looking forward to seeing this on Friday.
Really enjoyed the movie! I agree it did feel too long and T'challa's presence is clearly missed but nonetheless the rest of the cast delivered. I still do think as much as Shuri's character is great, the character can't take centre stage in the same way as T'challa, she still is a supporting character for me. Regardless Coogler did a great job!
I have to admit that I really enjoyed this movie!! Very good especially since they had to do this with the absence of Chadwick! We touch on some similar points. 🍿🍿🍿
I was a bit skeptical about this movie being almost 3 hours long , but as long as it's good it shouldn't matter as long as the writing and flow of the film is , seeing it on Friday in IMAX so hyped
Haven’t seen the movie yet, but my big worry with Namor going is a lot of what made him a neat character has been done by characters that came later but their movies first. Aquaman being the big one, but he was really the first comic book antihero. Be interested to see how they handle him.
I think I prefer a little long then quite short, because short one can often undercut crucial developments IMO. Can't wait, watching this on Friday. Cool review. Mbaku should get a Marvel short at least.
Spoilers alert!!: In the climax fight when ShuRiri gets destroyed cause of being tired and blown fuse, Naymore asks Wakandans "are there no one else?". We hear its morbing time by undercover Morbeus and he says " Bats fly Fish die" fighting and destroying Naymore. Turns out the blue blood is in the sea people all along and being a avid Sushi eater Morbeus enjoys killing them and drinking their blood ending the war. The after credits scene Morbeus makes a joke of women not having hair ala GI Jane, Hancock shows up and chases Morbeus to slap him to the moon. I cant wait for epic Morbeus vs Hancock fight. Its 6.935/11 for me. one time watch, two time sleep.
What I’m hearing from this, by piecing together what you’re saying, is that Ironheart didn’t really need to be introduced in this movie, and they spent too much time on her.
100% agree, I thought about 30 minutes too long for the exact reasons you gave. I thought the introduction of Namor however is my favorite of a new character so far in phase 4. The loss of Chadwick Boseman is not only felt within the MCU but also in this world in general.
I just got out from the movie it was just ok. And I really wanted to like it. Angela Bassett was the best thing from the movie, the passing of T'Challa was well handled considering, Tenoch did a good job, and that's it from me🤔
I think you meant to comment on another video because I said exactly what I was feeling actually and gave my critiques. All good, your computer fucked up and you commented on the wrong review! All good K!
I’d rather it be 15 to 20 minutes longer than 15 or 20 minutes too short that was my one of my biggest criticism of Multiverse of madness it was way too short and Thor love and thunder was too short to but definitely can’t wait to see Black Panther Wakanda forever
So the movie is too long but you also wanted more scenes with MBaku? Which one is it? I also don't agree with the characters not needing to be there it like doesn't even make sense to me if a character is in a scene they are part of the story
Glad to hear you really enjoyed it Kristian! I loved it, I actually just put my review up for it! Also, I wanted to let you know I am doing a Top 100 Movies list in my channel comprising of votes from across my community and I was wondering if perhaps you’d be interested in contributing a list to the poll!
The "new character" they crammed in has always been detrimental to Marvel and has never been popular or liked by comics fans. So that character is perfect for the new MCU
Great comments Kristian. I personally have no issues with long movies.. in fact, the longer the better because I feel I am getting my money's worth. I recently watched this in imax and the ticket by itself nearly cost usd20 . So longer movies are better. But I really like this movie personally. Just like you I found the phase 4 offerings are bit too jokey and lighthearted - I can close an eye for D+ series, but Thor4 was a major letdown in terms of humour; I felt that Taika was given too much free reign - so BP2 was a breath of fresh air. In short I think the cast gave a stellar performance and brought their grief for Chadwick Boseman into their performances... Although some story plots left my head scratching, especially the 3rd act. I think Ryan George nailed it best in his pitch meeting of this movie. 😅
I think in like 3 years we're going to look back and say, man we really did need all that comedy because what came after was super dark and filled with death lol. I feel like that's what's coming
If you look back, Ragnarok came out right before Black Panther & Infinity War, giving some light hearted action before the heavy stuff kicked in. And now L&T comes out before Wakanda and Ant Man 3, where some serious stuff is rumored.
So what you're saying is... Ironheart felt out of place. I've heard that a side plot seems to just be there to set up the next thing. I feel it has to be Ironheart, since it felt extra in all the trailers.
I've seen the movie and I actually beg to differ. I can't say much cz I'm afraid it will be spoiler, but she fits the main plot because of *reasons.* You'll see what I mean later when you have watched it.
@@kanomee i saw it. She was out of place. Between her Power Rangers suit at the end and her overall part in the story, they could’ve literally plucked her out and nothing changes.
They drag certain scenes which is unnecessary. Not recasting T'Challa and trying to make his son his predecessor without his father and grandfather is not going to make sense.....
The wife and I saw Wakanda Forever last night. Now she hates long movies starts to fidget quite a bit buttttttt she loved the movie and did not think it was to long. We all agree that Winston Duke needs more time. So we disagree on a few things that you didn't like about the movie but overall agree that we all enjoyed the movie to varying degrees.
Riri storyline could of been kept out considering Shuri virtually built Iron Man suits anyway so Riri felt like she was just there to be introduced. That Iron Heart suit wasn't great, looked like a power Ranger. M'Baku was wasted he should be the protector of Wakanda. It was 30 minutes too long for me, there were times I was just sitting there wondering what the time was.
I think Ryan Coogler handled this uphill battle as best as he could. Hats off to him. Not a perfect film. But this film needed to be made. The circumstances behind this film were unique, especially for a superhero film, as it marries real life tragedy with fictional tragedy and Ryan did a stellar job at exploring many stages of grief.. including sadness, revenge, retribution, misplacing blame, and finally... letting go. Well done. As for Namor, he may have been my favorite part of this film. His background, his culture and most of all.. his vulnerability.. all of thus makes you draw closer to him. With all of that being said, I need to sit on this film for a while. I dont think Im rush back out to see it right away. Emotionally it's very heavy.
I think the potential for Phase 4 after Endgame that the MCU would get morose and depressing due to dealing with all the losses, so Marvel overcompensated by becoming too jokey for most people. Not too much for me. Humour makes life worth living.
I think the movies wouldn’t be so disappointing for people if there weren’t also a million mediocre Disney+ shows coming out constantly. I mean, don’t get me wrong, some of the shows are decent. But there are just so many that it’s draining and makes the movies more disappointing when they don’t deliver. I hope they switch over to doing more special presentations/short films or anthology shows. It just seems like they have a hard time stretching out these stories over entire seasons and making them interesting.
I’m wondering which introduction you were less high on. The one I was less high on wasn’t actually an introduction but the first full fledged role in a film. Not as great. I thought the complete introduction was done perfectly. But I’m with you for the most part. I was good with the runtime and there was sooo much to get done. Great review
10-15 minutes isn't too bad. Some of movies I'm like it was 45 minutes too long. I'm also NOT A FAN of most of phase 4. I want to get back to where we were with marvel
Great articulate non-spoiler review Kristian! Got my tickets for Thursday and can’t wait to watch this. Definitely feels like the pallet cleanser I need from a lot of what was given in phase 4
This is a fine, honest, balanced non-spoiler review, thank you. Re one of your small negative points, I would bet that Coogler was required by the studio to put in material introducing what will apparently become a major character in a different movie. He’s pretty good at sticking to the story, so I don’t think he would have added this side character otherwise. From what I have heard, he handled this assignment pretty well.
Your like the only TH-camr I trust in regards to reviewing this film. There's gonna be a lot of 'fake positive' reviews based on political reasons. And this is coming from a black dude
Killing off T’Challa will end up being the biggest miss step in the MCU. I have no doubt that Wakanda Forever will be a beautiful film, but the best way to kill a legend is to stop telling their story. #savetchalla #recasttchalla
Here is a little peek behind the curtain on why in certain Marvel movies some characters get limited screen time even though they are popular. Marvel writes up their contracts in such a way that if you are on screen for less than a certain percentage of time or have less than a certain amount of lines you are paid for a "cameo" which is less than an actors usual rate. This may explain why M'Baku was not in the movie as long as we might have liked. ✌🏾✌🏾
Kristian really doesn't like long movies lol. I thought it was too long and could have been edited better. But length doesn't really impact my enjoyment.
They should have recast regardless as this was such a pivotal character. Boseman wanted the part recast and this happens all the time or they introduce the recast character in multi-verse type of way.
@@similarrose5811 is that a clue? All I'm saying is Chadwick Boseman told his family he didn't want the character to end with his portrayal. For Reeve is the best Superman ever but so many people have taken on the role since he last did. Ryan Coogler didn't get to tell the story he originally wanted to tell as well. Don't get me wrong I have tickets, but this character made such an positive impact with black boys and men and the wider black community it seems a real shame.
I want T’Challa recasted. I’m not mad at Shuri being the Black Panther in this film. But there was no need to kill off T’Challa. That was just not smart. It’s insensitive and was extremely unnecessary, given the theme of black man dying in this story. They should have set the movie during the blip and brought him back in the next film.
You didn’t like previous comedic marvel movies then almost immediately say the funny character “M’baku” wasn’t in it enough. Knew I shouldn’t come back to these guys reviews
When Kristian doesn't like a movie, instead of giving a negative review, he gives these painful lists of what he tried to like and what just didn't work. It's really hard to watch. Just say it wasn't good and list what you didn't like. No one will call you racist. If you're a reviewer its OK to not like something.
@@turvey12 Absolutely nothing. Youre right, you should be free to like or dislike any movie. But certain movies are taken up by the woke crowd and if you dislike them, then you are labeled a racist. Or, if it's a female lead, you will be labeled a sexist if you don't like it.
I’m going to see Black Panther 2 this Friday opening night! It’s going to be an awesome movie! Namor is Marvel’s version of Gaston from Beauty and The Beast. He tried to steal Reed Richard’s wife Sue Richards, and he ruined T’Challa and Storm’s marriage. Tenoch definitely challenged Namor here, and I can’t to see his performance. He’s an antihero for a reason. He’s a prick, a homewrecker, and a jerk in the MCU and in the comics 🤣🤣
Kobe Bryant, Chadwick Boseman even though none of us knew them when they both passed it felt a blood related family member had die !! Am in LA It took some time for people to get past both of those men passing on !!
Ironheart didn’t need to be in this movie. Her character did not work for me at all, but most of the movie I quite enjoyed. I especially loved all the scenes with Namor.
The emotion, the drama, the action, the character dynamics, the loss of someone that you loved all things Wakanda Forever I am excited to see day after tomorrow.
How would you high would you rate this movie on all of the MCU movies and where would you put on your list? Also do you think that this movie could win tons of awards at the Oscars? I'm going to see this movie this Friday and I'll give you all the rankings of all 30 MCU movies on my list another question does the run the time fly or does it take it's time?
"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Understands the Power of Grief, (featuring a slew of Oscar wotthy performances)." "This sequel is a fitting tribute to Chadwick Boseman's legacy and the future of Wakanda." (To be continued)... #WakandaForever!!!!! ➖➖➖➖ ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ ➖➖➖➖
Acting is amazing in this film, what they overcame to make this film is amazing, everything else is okay.. I loved a lot but also didn’t like things and there’s so much that makes no sense.. For being a 2-45 minute movie it felt a bit all over the place. Still 10x better than Thor Love and Thunder lol
Time to suck it up my peoples. You grieve, you heal, and then it’s time TO GO MAKE THE BIG DECISIONS. Why in the he🏒🏒 didn’t management step in on this? If Moore or Coogler _couldn’t_ (as they both said in an interview) see another in the role to succeed Boseman that casting wasn’t an option FOR THEM, then they should have been taken off the project and told “thank you but we must move on” (eventually). Based on an interview I saw Coogler do, I don’t think he should have even directed THIS movie. That dude was straight up still traumatized, just grieving. Nah, they shoulda benched this squad, told this story as a Disney + series, and recast for T’Challa in mid phase 5 or something. This is a travesty.
I've watched it and am mostly OK with it. They had an immense task to go beyond Chadwick and I think they did not achieve it. It felt like listening to Queen with Adam Lambert instead of Freddie Mercury. It's fine, but just not as good as the original and *spoiler* feels like an imposter. Lacks the charisma altogether
He’s definitely talking about Riri being in the movie and not really needing to be there. I’m interested to see what her role is but it is weird to introduce her in this film but who knows.
This movie doesn’t make itself a joke like Thor 4 does, but lower expectations.. it’s good compared to the rest of phase 4, but it’s probably at the same level of Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
Well $hit. Just saw it. Was too dark (lighting) and out of focus, in EVERY screen at the multiplex. The manager thought the 3D was being played instead of the 2D. It looked worse than a pirated VHS.
Ocean man throws water balloons like a pokemon bro they had no tech riding on whales. I was thinking...how were they threatening, is this a joke? In all seriousness this was just a miss for me, did not stick the landing. The stakes are incredibly low. It’s hard to become invested in a story and the idea of Namor as a villain when there are no consequences whatsoever. Everyone knew Wakanda wasn’t going to fall, or that no notable characters were going to die, or suffer any tragedy that could be used as character development. This saps the life out of the movie, and makes it seem pointless.
I'm very curious to see how Ironheart is introduced. It may have worked better in a Wakanda show, highlighting the outreach/exchange centers introduced at the end of the first film. That could have included a few notable tech geniuses, including Shuri, Riri and Bruno from Ms Marvel. But, I'm looking forward to seeing her in this.
U MEAN America has an ongoing microwave attention span the movie the story has to be told in full context in order to honor Mr. Boseman and put NAMOR on the map !!
This was a good film. Folks complaining are just sensitive that it contained snippets of America's past treatment of minorities and they didn't anticipate that it would be in the film because the trailers had no indicators and they were caught off guard and couldn't explain it to their new millennial children.
I think it also depends on the actual criticism and what is said no? I don't disagree with your points just don't think that anyone who doesn't like aspects of the film should fit into the category you suggested.
I didnt care for the original Black Panther as much as many others did. Mostly cause I wasn't a big fan of the story where T'Challa died then came back. It was a little weird especially how it was done. I didn't want him to ever die at all. I liked Black Panther but didn't love it. I was a big fan of Chadwick Boseman though seeing his last movie 21 Bridges and wished I could of see more of him. I feel bad he's not with us anymore. This Wankanda Forever movie though I'm a little more excited for cause it seems intriguing and maybe a better story to me. I know it's two different movies than the first but it looks at least more entertaining. I also like Michael B. Jordan and him as an actor in other movies like Just Mercy wasn't crazy about him in original. R.i.p. Chadwick Boseman.
Yeah...Riri Williams was inserted into this but it wasn't necessary. A better character to introduce in this would've been Kraven or maybe even White Tiger.
I am expecting, going off the cast listing, that Wakanda is now a Matriarchy? I mean other than Namor and M'Baku every other main character is female:)
Interesting review. I think my issue will be is the new Black Panther. And I know who your talking about. I guess a set up for Disney + series. Hmmmmm..I shall see 👀
Exactly the first film DID NOT have good action, one good car chase in the street the rest is a CG rhino battle and another fight between two people with the same exact powers...boring
I've seen the movie and I can say you're in for a treat, especially when Namor is in the scene. He's such a badass and probably one of my favorite MCU character to date
@@kanomee good to know bro, thanks for the recommendation. I have one question though, i have a dream that T’Challa come back for a moment in the climax as a panther animal to help out with the power of Bast haha. Does that happen?
Just saw the movie, it is awesome, a great tribute to Chadwick while also being one of the better MCU movies, if not the best. In any case it is the best fase four movie in my opinion. I agree that some scenes could've been a little shorter to shave 10 to 15 minutes of the run-time, but everything else is great. 9.5/10 for me.
Almost fell asleep at parts too as it drags and unnecessary side questing that is inconsequential to the plot gets boring fast. Follows the same MCU formula to play it safe, at this point, it is such a meme.
I have to give Letitia huge credit for taking the task of going from supporting character to being the emotional center of the movie. She did it incredibly it's my second favorite movie of the year
What was better?
@@booboo4ever24 the batman
I'll never complain about a movie with "too long" a run time. Much preferred for me, as opposed to "too short", and lacking needed elements. In total agreement regarding Winston Duke! Loved him as an actor, since his portrayal of "Mini" on "Person of Interest"! Thanks for the review! Love your channel!
Very few people remember his role in Person of Interest, and I enjoyed his performance in that! Thanks for pointing it out. I kind of feel bad for the way they handled his character (sniper shot). After that big climax, he deserved a better death than that.
Nah. Bloat can severely, if not irreparably, damage the narrative, tension, flow, and overall enjoyment of films. From the last James Bond, No Time To Die (which admittedly had other problems too) to the otherwise excellent Blade Runner 2049, there are tons of films that are screaming to have 10 to 20 minutes shaved off. Knowing what to leave out is as essential as knowing what to leave in.
@@ElectroPopSelection Good point regarding how his arc concluded! Amazingly composed, and nuanced character performance! In a show stuffed with an embarrassment of talent, Mr Duke rose to the occasion!
The batman felt too long
Less is more you can enjoy deleted scenes Concepts and other things to expand it but if it hurts the overall story due to bloat or fatigue then it drags.
Has the MCU really leaned too much on comedy in phase 4, though?
More on the serious side:
WandaVision (?)
Falcon And Winter Soldier
Loki
Black Widow
Shang-Chi
Eternals
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
Ms. Marvel
Doctor Strange 2
Werewolf By Night
More on the comedy side
Thor: Love And Thunder
She-Hulk
As I understand it, there has been goofy comedy in a lot of things not just the ones that you indicated.
SO glad to hear your positive review! I’ve TOTALLY been with you about the yuk-yuk comedy approach in most of phase 4. It’s great to hear that this one gets back to the Marvel most of us love.
@@joshhunt4146 yes but not to the extent like recently
Y’all overblow comedy since that’s the trend to hop on. Humor bad. Stop being an NPC
@@imhim3717 oh shut up lol
@@joshhunt4146 she hulk? ms marvel? lol my guy not just films. moon knight was way too funny for a chrachter like that too.
@@SsbPrime nope.
I SAW THE MOVIE . I'M GOING TO EVERY REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THEY TELL THE TRUTH. IT'S AN EXCELLENT MOVIE EVERYONE SHOULD SEE. PERIOD!
Bullshit. Movie was overhyped trash
I personally felt the first black panther movie was significantly more entertaining but I’m glad other people seem to be enjoying the film a good bit.
I thought it was amazing. It really talks about culture, dealing with loss, handle your demons. This is top notch marvel. Probably up there in my higher marvel films. I did enjoy this more than the first film.
"This person" and "that character" is quite obviously Riri Williams ✌😁
💯 that exactly what I was thinking it the iron heart character. No reason to be in this one
@@deshunsmith7828 my guess, Shuri needs a new tech expert since she's assuming her role in the throne.
Yup. Right now…
That’s just how RiRi is. Even in most of her own books. I always thought she’d be a good villain but them making a black girl an evil person is less likely than me becoming US president in todays election 🤷🏾♂️😱🤪👍🏾
Riri is central to the plot and conflict. Martin Freeman however is not.
Thanks for your honest review. I tend to agree that sometimes less is more and that can be just as powerful. I'm looking forward to seeing this on Friday.
You and me both!
The only review i care about. Honest and not fishing for Marvel fanboys and definitely not saying that everything Marvel is perfect.
Really enjoyed the movie! I agree it did feel too long and T'challa's presence is clearly missed but nonetheless the rest of the cast delivered. I still do think as much as Shuri's character is great, the character can't take centre stage in the same way as T'challa, she still is a supporting character for me. Regardless Coogler did a great job!
I agree. The movie indeed felt longer then 2 hours and 40ish minutes.
I'm glad they aren't emphasizing comedy. This movie more than any other recent MCU film feels like it genuinely needed to be serious.
I have to admit that I really enjoyed this movie!! Very good especially since they had to do this with the absence of Chadwick! We touch on some similar points. 🍿🍿🍿
Glad you enjoyed it
I was a bit skeptical about this movie being almost 3 hours long , but as long as it's good it shouldn't matter as long as the writing and flow of the film is , seeing it on Friday in IMAX so hyped
Haven’t seen the movie yet, but my big worry with Namor going is a lot of what made him a neat character has been done by characters that came later but their movies first. Aquaman being the big one, but he was really the first comic book antihero. Be interested to see how they handle him.
I had to read this like 45 times.
Hes 1 hundred percent talking about Everett Ross and a New Person intro’d here lol
I think I prefer a little long then quite short, because short one can often undercut crucial developments IMO. Can't wait, watching this on Friday. Cool review. Mbaku should get a Marvel short at least.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your honesty. Very refreshing to hear. I really enjoyed this one. I wish they'd give OKOYE a solo film.
Spoilers alert!!: In the climax fight when ShuRiri gets destroyed cause of being tired and blown fuse, Naymore asks Wakandans "are there no one else?". We hear its morbing time by undercover Morbeus and he says " Bats fly Fish die" fighting and destroying Naymore. Turns out the blue blood is in the sea people all along and being a avid Sushi eater Morbeus enjoys killing them and drinking their blood ending the war.
The after credits scene Morbeus makes a joke of women not having hair ala GI Jane, Hancock shows up and chases Morbeus to slap him to the moon. I cant wait for epic Morbeus vs Hancock fight.
Its 6.935/11 for me. one time watch, two time sleep.
What I’m hearing from this, by piecing together what you’re saying, is that Ironheart didn’t really need to be introduced in this movie, and they spent too much time on her.
100% agree, I thought about 30 minutes too long for the exact reasons you gave. I thought the introduction of Namor however is my favorite of a new character so far in phase 4. The loss of Chadwick Boseman is not only felt within the MCU but also in this world in general.
I just got out from the movie it was just ok. And I really wanted to like it. Angela Bassett was the best thing from the movie, the passing of T'Challa was well handled considering, Tenoch did a good job, and that's it from me🤔
People are scared to shit on this movie for the obvious reason and it’s so annoying. A lot of beating around the bush with this one
I think you meant to comment on another video because I said exactly what I was feeling actually and gave my critiques. All good, your computer fucked up and you commented on the wrong review! All good K!
T'Challa will be Black Panther. Don't worry about it
I’d rather it be 15 to 20 minutes longer than 15 or 20 minutes too short that was my one of my biggest criticism of Multiverse of madness it was way too short and Thor love and thunder was too short to but definitely can’t wait to see Black Panther Wakanda forever
Excited to see it this weekend.
God bless Chadwick Boseman.
#WakandaForever
Killing character in black panther character there won't be another next black male panther 🤣
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@@celestialx8 Are you literate?
God blessed him with cancer...
So the movie is too long but you also wanted more scenes with MBaku? Which one is it? I also don't agree with the characters not needing to be there it like doesn't even make sense to me if a character is in a scene they are part of the story
Glad to hear you really enjoyed it Kristian! I loved it, I actually just put my review up for it! Also, I wanted to let you know I am doing a Top 100 Movies list in my channel comprising of votes from across my community and I was wondering if perhaps you’d be interested in contributing a list to the poll!
So happy to hear that you liked this one..looking forward to seeing it this weekend 🎉
The "new character" they crammed in has always been detrimental to Marvel and has never been popular or liked by comics fans. So that character is perfect for the new MCU
Excited for this but I wish they Recast T'Challa With John David Washington RIP Chadwick Boseman.
Great comments Kristian. I personally have no issues with long movies.. in fact, the longer the better because I feel I am getting my money's worth. I recently watched this in imax and the ticket by itself nearly cost usd20 . So longer movies are better.
But I really like this movie personally. Just like you I found the phase 4 offerings are bit too jokey and lighthearted - I can close an eye for D+ series, but Thor4 was a major letdown in terms of humour; I felt that Taika was given too much free reign - so BP2 was a breath of fresh air. In short I think the cast gave a stellar performance and brought their grief for Chadwick Boseman into their performances... Although some story plots left my head scratching, especially the 3rd act. I think Ryan George nailed it best in his pitch meeting of this movie. 😅
Thank you and great comment and love the detail. I am glad you enjoyed it!!
I think in like 3 years we're going to look back and say, man we really did need all that comedy because what came after was super dark and filled with death lol. I feel like that's what's coming
No we don't need all that goofy comedy ever. They need to stop.
Nope
If you look back, Ragnarok came out right before Black Panther & Infinity War, giving some light hearted action before the heavy stuff kicked in. And now L&T comes out before Wakanda and Ant Man 3, where some serious stuff is rumored.
Its all in the hips
So what you're saying is... Ironheart felt out of place. I've heard that a side plot seems to just be there to set up the next thing. I feel it has to be Ironheart, since it felt extra in all the trailers.
I've seen the movie and I actually beg to differ. I can't say much cz I'm afraid it will be spoiler, but she fits the main plot because of *reasons.* You'll see what I mean later when you have watched it.
@@kanomee I agree. I really enjoyed her character.
@@kanomee i saw it. She was out of place. Between her Power Rangers suit at the end and her overall part in the story, they could’ve literally plucked her out and nothing changes.
They drag certain scenes which is unnecessary. Not recasting T'Challa and trying to make his son his predecessor without his father and grandfather is not going to make sense.....
Spoilers??
His son???
Why spoil?
Creed
The wife and I saw Wakanda Forever last night. Now she hates long movies starts to fidget quite a bit buttttttt she loved the movie and did not think it was to long. We all agree that Winston Duke needs more time. So we disagree on a few things that you didn't like about the movie but overall agree that we all enjoyed the movie to varying degrees.
Riri storyline could of been kept out considering Shuri virtually built Iron Man suits anyway so Riri felt like she was just there to be introduced. That Iron Heart suit wasn't great, looked like a power Ranger. M'Baku was wasted he should be the protector of Wakanda. It was 30 minutes too long for me, there were times I was just sitting there wondering what the time was.
Letitia did an amazing job and the rest of the characters did really well too, awesome review Kristian.
I’m glad that someone is brutally honest and not just randomly just saying it’s awesome for the sack of it
Should of recast tchalla. This should of been pushed back to 2024/5. People are ready for tchalla to be recast
I think Ryan Coogler handled this uphill battle as best as he could. Hats off to him. Not a perfect film. But this film needed to be made. The circumstances behind this film were unique, especially for a superhero film, as it marries real life tragedy with fictional tragedy and Ryan did a stellar job at exploring many stages of grief.. including sadness, revenge, retribution, misplacing blame, and finally... letting go. Well done.
As for Namor, he may have been my favorite part of this film. His background, his culture and most of all.. his vulnerability.. all of thus makes you draw closer to him.
With all of that being said, I need to sit on this film for a while. I dont think Im rush back out to see it right away. Emotionally it's very heavy.
I’d definitely say this is probably the film I’ve looked forward to the most in this phase.
I think the potential for Phase 4 after Endgame that the MCU would get morose and depressing due to dealing with all the losses, so Marvel overcompensated by becoming too jokey for most people. Not too much for me. Humour makes life worth living.
I think the movies wouldn’t be so disappointing for people if there weren’t also a million mediocre Disney+ shows coming out constantly. I mean, don’t get me wrong, some of the shows are decent. But there are just so many that it’s draining and makes the movies more disappointing when they don’t deliver.
I hope they switch over to doing more special presentations/short films or anthology shows. It just seems like they have a hard time stretching out these stories over entire seasons and making them interesting.
Lol. Phase 4 is trash and Thor 4 was crap
I’m wondering which introduction you were less high on. The one I was less high on wasn’t actually an introduction but the first full fledged role in a film. Not as great. I thought the complete introduction was done perfectly. But I’m with you for the most part. I was good with the runtime and there was sooo much to get done. Great review
10-15 minutes isn't too bad. Some of movies I'm like it was 45 minutes too long. I'm also NOT A FAN of most of phase 4. I want to get back to where we were with marvel
Great articulate non-spoiler review Kristian! Got my tickets for Thursday and can’t wait to watch this. Definitely feels like the pallet cleanser I need from a lot of what was given in phase 4
Thank you for your time. Appreciate the review.
This is a fine, honest, balanced non-spoiler review, thank you. Re one of your small negative points, I would bet that Coogler was required by the studio to put in material introducing what will apparently become a major character in a different movie. He’s pretty good at sticking to the story, so I don’t think he would have added this side character otherwise. From what I have heard, he handled this assignment pretty well.
Your like the only TH-camr I trust in regards to reviewing this film. There's gonna be a lot of 'fake positive' reviews based on political reasons. And this is coming from a black dude
Killing off T’Challa will end up being the biggest miss step in the MCU. I have no doubt that Wakanda Forever will be a beautiful film, but the best way to kill a legend is to stop telling their story. #savetchalla #recasttchalla
I’m interested to see how you feel about the mid credit scene.
@@gheTTogabulous so we have to wait 15 years? I hope secret invasion corrects the killing of post endgame T’Challa.
@@ThomasBrownRant I highly doubt it’s going to take that long. You just gotta be patient.
@@gheTTogabulous Time jump? I mean, Nate Moore and Kevin Fiege said no recast.
@@ThomasBrownRant Maybe. Considering the mid credit scene there may not be another T’Challa but there will always be a black panther.
Here is a little peek behind the curtain on why in certain Marvel movies some characters get limited screen time even though they are popular.
Marvel writes up their contracts in such a way that if you are on screen for less than a certain percentage of time or have less than a certain amount of lines you are paid for a "cameo" which is less than an actors usual rate. This may explain why M'Baku was not in the movie as long as we might have liked. ✌🏾✌🏾
Kristian really doesn't like long movies lol. I thought it was too long and could have been edited better. But length doesn't really impact my enjoyment.
They should have recast regardless as this was such a pivotal character. Boseman wanted the part recast and this happens all the time or they introduce the recast character in multi-verse type of way.
Just watch it before using words like ‘regardless’
@@similarrose5811 is that a clue? All I'm saying is Chadwick Boseman told his family he didn't want the character to end with his portrayal. For Reeve is the best Superman ever but so many people have taken on the role since he last did.
Ryan Coogler didn't get to tell the story he originally wanted to tell as well.
Don't get me wrong I have tickets, but this character made such an positive impact with black boys and men and the wider black community it seems a real shame.
I want T’Challa recasted. I’m not mad at Shuri being the Black Panther in this film. But there was no need to kill off T’Challa. That was just not smart. It’s insensitive and was extremely unnecessary, given the theme of black man dying in this story. They should have set the movie during the blip and brought him back in the next film.
The new actor would have gotten hate anyway
hey Kristian, great to see ya back where you belong, great review, thanks
You didn’t like previous comedic marvel movies then almost immediately say the funny character “M’baku” wasn’t in it enough. Knew I shouldn’t come back to these guys reviews
When Kristian doesn't like a movie, instead of giving a negative review, he gives these painful lists of what he tried to like and what just didn't work. It's really hard to watch.
Just say it wasn't good and list what you didn't like. No one will call you racist. If you're a reviewer its OK to not like something.
whats racism have to do with this movie ffs?
@@turvey12 Absolutely nothing. Youre right, you should be free to like or dislike any movie.
But certain movies are taken up by the woke crowd and if you dislike them, then you are labeled a racist. Or, if it's a female lead, you will be labeled a sexist if you don't like it.
One question, does that Dragon's Lair machine still work?
really wish i could see this one but i wont be able to until it streams. glad you enjoyed it
No way home, Shang Chi,Eternals and Wakkanda Forever are the better films of Phase 4? Namor like Killmonger of this sequel?
I’m going to see Black Panther 2 this Friday opening night! It’s going to be an awesome movie! Namor is Marvel’s version of Gaston from Beauty and The Beast. He tried to steal Reed Richard’s wife Sue Richards, and he ruined T’Challa and Storm’s marriage. Tenoch definitely challenged Namor here, and I can’t to see his performance. He’s an antihero for a reason. He’s a prick, a homewrecker, and a jerk in the MCU and in the comics 🤣🤣
Kobe Bryant, Chadwick Boseman even though none of us knew them when they both passed it felt a blood related family member had die !! Am in LA It took some time for people to get past both of those men passing on !!
Hi
waited years for Namor the Sub-Mariner of Atlantis.....got a mayan warrior calling himself Nah-mor. smh
They had to pivot no choice with aqua man and avoiding confusion. With needing to adjust they did it right.
@@imallstar1 no they didnt
Ironheart didn’t need to be in this movie. Her character did not work for me at all, but most of the movie I quite enjoyed. I especially loved all the scenes with Namor.
The emotion, the drama, the action, the character dynamics, the loss of someone that you loved all things Wakanda Forever I am excited to see day after tomorrow.
How would you high would you rate this movie on all of the MCU movies and where would you put on your list? Also do you think that this movie could win tons of awards at the Oscars? I'm going to see this movie this Friday and I'll give you all the rankings of all 30 MCU movies on my list another question does the run the time fly or does it take it's time?
"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Understands the Power of Grief, (featuring a slew of Oscar wotthy performances)."
"This sequel is a fitting tribute to Chadwick Boseman's legacy and the future of Wakanda."
(To be continued)... #WakandaForever!!!!!
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Nice
10-15min? ......come on.
my biggest problem is that they didn't just re-cast....
Acting is amazing in this film, what they overcame to make this film is amazing, everything else is okay.. I loved a lot but also didn’t like things and there’s so much that makes no sense.. For being a 2-45 minute movie it felt a bit all over the place. Still 10x better than Thor Love and Thunder lol
I feel this movie was a perfect tribute to Chadwick Boseman. It was as good as they couldve done without him, imo.
Time to suck it up my peoples. You grieve, you heal, and then it’s time TO GO MAKE THE BIG DECISIONS. Why in the he🏒🏒 didn’t management step in on this? If Moore or Coogler _couldn’t_ (as they both said in an interview) see another in the role to succeed Boseman that casting wasn’t an option FOR THEM, then they should have been taken off the project and told “thank you but we must move on” (eventually). Based on an interview I saw Coogler do, I don’t think he should have even directed THIS movie. That dude was straight up still traumatized, just grieving. Nah, they shoulda benched this squad, told this story as a Disney + series, and recast for T’Challa in mid phase 5 or something. This is a travesty.
I believe it nonsensical that we complain about a three hour movie, but will binge watch 10 hours on a Netflix season. 🤔
I've watched it and am mostly OK with it.
They had an immense task to go beyond Chadwick and I think they did not achieve it.
It felt like listening to Queen with Adam Lambert instead of Freddie Mercury.
It's fine, but just not as good as the original and *spoiler* feels like an imposter. Lacks the charisma altogether
He’s definitely talking about Riri being in the movie and not really needing to be there. I’m interested to see what her role is but it is weird to introduce her in this film but who knows.
That was my only gripe with this movie I prolly would have given it a 10 if she wasn’t in it
I don’t think so, I think he’s referring to Martin Freeman & whats-her-face’s stuff. Definitely NOT Riri, she’s crucial to the plot.
This movie doesn’t make itself a joke like Thor 4 does, but lower expectations.. it’s good compared to the rest of phase 4, but it’s probably at the same level of Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
Any chance of you doing a series review of the Sopranos? I love your background on this, the picture with Tony and the horse (pie-o-my)
Disagree about post credit. Definitely a set up but it was a great introduction.
Not once did I feel the length of this movie.
Happy to hear it!
Dragons Lair? I haven't seen one of those in close to 40 years. Does it still work?
Well $hit. Just saw it. Was too dark (lighting) and out of focus, in EVERY screen at the multiplex. The manager thought the 3D was being played instead of the 2D. It looked worse than a pirated VHS.
Does this lead to Wakkanda series and Armor Wars series?
Welp Kristian is clearly talking about Riri and I BIG disagree. She was amazing.
How many post credit scenes?
I’ve heard only one mid credit scene
Trying to replace Boseman is impossible, it’s like what their tying to do with Blade, Wesley Snipes is and will always be.
Lmao Blade was NOT iconic cause of Wesley lol...
Thursday 3pm ct couldn’t get here quick enough
After seeing the final phase 4 movie.. would you be able to confirm which was your fav
Ocean man throws water balloons like a pokemon bro they had no tech riding on whales. I was thinking...how were they threatening, is this a joke? In all seriousness this was just a miss for me, did not stick the landing. The stakes are incredibly low. It’s hard to become invested in a story and the idea of Namor as a villain when there are no consequences whatsoever. Everyone knew Wakanda wasn’t going to fall, or that no notable characters were going to die, or suffer any tragedy that could be used as character development. This saps the life out of the movie, and makes it seem pointless.
Fair enough
I'm very curious to see how Ironheart is introduced. It may have worked better in a Wakanda show, highlighting the outreach/exchange centers introduced at the end of the first film. That could have included a few notable tech geniuses, including Shuri, Riri and Bruno from Ms Marvel. But, I'm looking forward to seeing her in this.
It works in the film
U MEAN America has an ongoing microwave attention span the movie the story has to be told in full context in order to honor Mr. Boseman and put NAMOR on the map !!
This was a good film. Folks complaining are just sensitive that it contained snippets of America's past treatment of minorities and they didn't anticipate that it would be in the film because the trailers had no indicators and they were caught off guard and couldn't explain it to their new millennial children.
I think it also depends on the actual criticism and what is said no? I don't disagree with your points just don't think that anyone who doesn't like aspects of the film should fit into the category you suggested.
guessing you're talking about Ironheart with a character that didnt need to be in the movie.
I didnt care for the original Black Panther as much as many others did. Mostly cause I wasn't a big fan of the story where T'Challa died then came back. It was a little weird especially how it was done. I didn't want him to ever die at all. I liked Black Panther but didn't love it. I was a big fan of Chadwick Boseman though seeing his last movie 21 Bridges and wished I could of see more of him. I feel bad he's not with us anymore. This Wankanda Forever movie though I'm a little more excited for cause it seems intriguing and maybe a better story to me. I know it's two different movies than the first but it looks at least more entertaining. I also like Michael B. Jordan and him as an actor in other movies like Just Mercy wasn't crazy about him in original. R.i.p. Chadwick Boseman.
The biggest loss is the loss of MCU fans. It’s really bad
So iron heart you didn't mind but wish she had her debut somewhere else
Yeah...Riri Williams was inserted into this but it wasn't necessary. A better character to introduce in this would've been Kraven or maybe even White Tiger.
I am expecting, going off the cast listing, that Wakanda is now a Matriarchy? I mean other than Namor and M'Baku every other main character is female:)
Interesting review. I think my issue will be is the new Black Panther. And I know who your talking about. I guess a set up for Disney + series. Hmmmmm..I shall see 👀
They can always bring back T'Challa when they need to. Multiverse duh? 😅
Is it better than The Dark Knight?
Nah, TDK one of the best all time.
How’s the action though? While i appreciate less humor and emotional moments, this is a superhero movie, we need a lot of awesome action
Exactly the first film DID NOT have good action, one good car chase in the street the rest is a CG rhino battle and another fight between two people with the same exact powers...boring
I've seen the movie and I can say you're in for a treat, especially when Namor is in the scene. He's such a badass and probably one of my favorite MCU character to date
also the CGI is probably one of the best in this phase 4
@@kanomee good to know bro, thanks for the recommendation. I have one question though, i have a dream that T’Challa come back for a moment in the climax as a panther animal to help out with the power of Bast haha. Does that happen?
@@fakhrirhizadi5585 unfortunately no. but there is some surprising cameo though, look forward to that
Just saw the movie, it is awesome, a great tribute to Chadwick while also being one of the better MCU movies, if not the best. In any case it is the best fase four movie in my opinion. I agree that some scenes could've been a little shorter to shave 10 to 15 minutes of the run-time, but everything else is great. 9.5/10 for me.
Almost fell asleep at parts too as it drags and unnecessary side questing that is inconsequential to the plot gets boring fast. Follows the same MCU formula to play it safe, at this point, it is such a meme.
Fair.
I bought my ticket as I was watching this :) So stoked!!! Well kind of... gonna be draining emotionally :(