That fight in Superman vs The Elite is really a commentary on why comicbook heroes being "darker" because it's "realistic" or having "new takes" to "humanize" and "make them more relatable" isn't always a good thing, and often actually takes away what makes them the heroes we look up to. Because reality sucks, humanity can suck, but having an ideal to live up to encourages us to keep trying to be better people instead of making excuses to wallow in our collective misery and failings.
@@Dunge0n Batman doesn't suck, but, by refusing to kill, under ANY circumstances, he HAS allowed many to be killed by those without his reservations against the use of lethal force to gain their main objective! Personally, I can see using lethal force on an individual who will use any means, including murder/mass murder, to gain some material benefit! They don't care, why should you hamstring yourself while trying to stop them, when, in many cases, they're relying on that very thing!?
@@Dunge0n that is not true and I think you know it. There are absolutely realities where living up to that principle led one of them to be a beacon of what it means to be a hero for good and have a hard but accomplished and happy life, even having a family. Life isn't just supposed to be sunshine and rainbows. If you were "happy" all the time it would lose meaning becoming worthless. You would create destructive scenarios just to change that (there have been many studies that show this look them up). We struggle to better ourselves, improve our lives, and be able to *value* the good times. But I understand the feeling and thought process behind your comment.
I really like the version that is the son of Zod, unlike the regular version that one is perfect, because it is nature vs nurture, in the regular he is the son of good people raised by good people, meanwhile he is the son of a bad person, that condemn others and basically killed the regular superman and sent his son in his place, but then he arrives and learn, and he becomes good despite being the son of who we can see as a villain, it is a much better message.
Take the nature vs nurture a step further. OG supes had a relatively idealistic upbringing and inherently always looked for the scenario where he could save everyone. Whereas GaM superman was raised by illegal immigrants, and while still taught to be good and virtuous probably had a bit of a rougher upbringing, resulting in him being taking the more immediate route when saving lives and carrying those choices as a burden.
Good Superman isn’t perfect. No need to put down Clark to prop Hernan up. They’re both great characters but a redemption arc doesn’t necessarily make Hernan a better character, just different. Also implies he’s never had an arc. You also focus on nature quite a bit when really *nurture* is why both are the way they are, as Hernan had it a lot rougher than Clark. Nurture v Nature has always been a big part of the character
Ok, you can’t fault him for dealing with Doomsday that way because.... it’s Doomsday! He can’t die the same way twice and he’s so lethal you can’t hold back. Either kill him or detain him
They can't keep Joker, a human with no powers, detained. You got to kill Doomsday because he can't be detained and will only cause death. There is no redemption.
@@SantaPorter420 doomsday doesn't have personhood. He had 0 humanity, he's basically an animal wth no higher conscious thought. Killing him was like killing an animal which supes is find with.
as far as i can tell doomsday is barely sentient so its not a great loss. there isnt a whole lot of nature vs nurture going on with him, hes just built to be a menace. sucks to be him
he should play that version of batman in a live action film. i think that would be cool he looks like Bruce Wayne would look at that age. legit id definitely cast him for that then Batman Beyond right after.
What if Superman sent all of Arkham Asylum’s inmates into The Phantom Zone? None of them would escape and IMHO it would be a perfect prison, Not even Batman could object to the Joker never being able to hurt or kill anyone ever again. Yeah right, He probably would one way or another.
@@justin42520 u know we all know that the only reason villains aren't killed or permanently dealt with is cuz they need plot for the next comic or show or movie but it feels like batman sorta needs joker's presence to function, batman has given brain damage, unrecoverable body damage to crooks and other villains but its like with the joker he's always lenient, heck he even laughed with the joker once, batman doesn't even laugh with his friends/partners/teammates but he did with a psychotic mass murderer? Thats just weird
@@ridgefrost geez... you didn't really have to go into all of that a similar plot has been played out in a family oriented film from years ago xD he essentially stolen The Phantom Zone projector from Superman's Fortress of Solitude during a Justice League anniversary party that he was not invited at. He and Robin snuck to Arkham and transported his whole entire Rogues gallery into The Phantom Zone where they were all judged accordingly to be imprisoned there. That is until the Joker made a proposition to get them all out of there and storm Gotham City
@@ridgefrost although, if you do want to get psychological about Batman's need for his identity and villains oh, it is mainly on the aspect of him using his childhood trauma as a crutch in order to give a more symbolic tribute to his parents either just out of flat out, or the need to just be a hero. Joker is that reluctant kingship that he has with someone of a similar yet entirely different psychological state that he is in. The Killing Joke did illustrate that point along with several others on why Batman has chosen this nature to not kill despite his origins of killing villains including the Joker being not such a troublesome moral issue as it is now. You could also see this as him essentially wanting to be a sane man and proving that it is possible through trying to rehabilitate someone as broken as him much like The Joker is. While also trying to pursue that, he ends up doing the very thing that he sets out to destroy, which was he often price himself on the aspect of not killing because he knows he is teetering on that bridge of insanity if he does and a lot of his aggression would come out in the form of mutilation and murder if he kills that version of him that has been responsible for and holding back those urges. There has been possibilities on the fact that he doesn't really want to get better but just wants to have a purpose. White Knight definitely showcased that when Joker did get better by pointed out that Batman was a worse plague on Gotham than he ever was both in its economics and its reputation. Not only that but he also went as far as to clean up the streets of Gotham in a much more organized way even by working with the law itself despite his identity and reputation. There was even another case where Joker believed Batman to be dead and went on to try to have a normal life complete with Wife and Kids. Another case was even when he was involved in a catatonic state Batman was retired in Dark Knight Returns. You can imagine what happened when Batman came into the picture. The point is that Batman is the way he is for multiple reasons either having to try to fix his own mistakes or struggling to keep his mental health in check while giving himself a further purpose. This purpose also could have been a better thing for him if he focused on trying to fix a lot of Gotham's problems economically and do a lot more cracking down on the corrupt system they have within the city both medical and law official. There have been plenty of villains killed but he also does feel the need to try to heal them before anything but it became a further purpose because he selfishly focused on his own.
Didn't they do that already in one of the comics? Where they imprisoned every villain on earth and it backfired horribly leading to Martian Manhunter's gruelsome death.
I just realized we like our anti heros weak. If Superman’s an anti hero he’s terrifying. But when the punisher is an anti hero we’re like sure as a normal human he’s scary but when your a god like thor or even a superhuman like the captain is like Ight I can probably beat him hand to hand so less scary. So we like our anti heros weak
This really depend on the story, in most, yes, also, it is almost impossible to make an antihero that is godlike, if you try the natural course will lead to basically injustice, if there is all powerful it will end up like that, it is even recognized in the series itself, when superman says that with his power batman would have done the same, and batman recognize that is true when he says that superman is not batman.
@@emilialittle1002 i mean i guess but like the fear of deadpool comes less from his skill and more from his insane healing power. if you removed that bit then he's far less scary than the objectively insane powerhouses like thor or superman lol
Superman vs the Elite is so much better than anything Injustice has given." This is the unrestrained Superman." No, he still holds back. He even holds back in SvE and he's still many more times powerful than in Injustice. Black: Where did he go? Superman: Into orbit at Mach 6. If you had super-hearing then any moment you'd hear the...pop. There's no way Batman even with a super-strength serum can battle that.
@@javontetreault6713 True, that can happen. There was after all a JL storyline where they were given Nth metal armour in order to defeat the big bad. Literal plot armour.
@@nielsjensen4185 Supes vs the Elite is just considered a better movie overall. Superman's power level in that movie is the cherry on top because villains were humbled big time. If Injustice superman (comics or movie) was that superior like he was in the Elite film, it wouldn't be much of a story. He'd kill advisary including that version of Batman within the 1st month of his tyranny "techinically." I'm not sure Injustice & the Elite stories were meant to be compared side by side like that.
@@e-roc6472 Indeed they never were, however, doing so showcases the logical inconsistencies in Injustice as the only story that should be there was Superman roflstomiping everyone because he feels he has no need to hold back anymore. His new goal would be to protect people against themselves like any person with a Fascistic ideology would because "people can not be trusted to govern themself. They clearly need some sort of leader" (an ubermensch fuhrer if you will) and that would be a far more interesting story. However, it would have a certain part of the fanbase screaming about politics in comics (unless it's politics they agree with).
@@nielsjensen4185 oh yeah lots of writers will play it safe in politics lol Logical inconsistency with his power level? There's different version of him. Superman Prime 1 Million cud prolly challenge Dr. Manhattan. Injustice Superman is very strong but he can still be beaten by certain characters like the Olympians. What makes the Injustice interesting (at least in the 1st 3 volumes) is that even tho he's broken he doesn't become a true tyrant overnight. He still puts in an attempt to hold on to some morals. You see the slippery slope Batman always talks about as he & gradually gets worse. It doesn't help that his supporters enable/justify his actions at a vulnerable (not physical) state. Kidnapping his parents wasn't great for his psyche either. Red Son supes has similar aspects. He's not all righteous one day then all evil the following week. Someone mite adapt your example one day. There's always new talent & ideas🤷🏿♂️
The scene in which Dan Turpin gets killed by Darkseid, even though it really didn't get shown in this video, was one of the most shocking and heartbreaking moments in the Superman series. After Darkseid escapes back to Apocalypse, when Superman was pounding that massive tank into pieces, you can so feel his anger and pain from the death of Turpin.
Ain’t nothin more dark than when Superman lost his mind after he accidentally killed his wife cause of the Joker. Joker most definitely turned him into a monster.
@@Rairyuujin she does what Joker say. Joker broke Harley mind into becoming who she was now. Once she broke that bond she really just kinda did her own thing yeah it was crime but she started being on the hood guy side at the end. Joker even admitted to batman why he did it. He was tired of losing to batman no matter what joker planned superman was able to save everyone. With superman however he saw it as easy beaten a kitten to death with a puppy. That right there told me joker didn’t have no moral only to cause pain and destruction.
funny how superman is more lighthearted and seemingly a more wholesome hero, but more often than not he ends up killing more than the dark and violent batman.
@@SirDankleberry He was just traumatized until that point was Batman and everybody lack or understanding and judgamental attitudes who damaged his mind.
The thing about injustice, I've thought about... in the old TV show, he flew around the earth backwards to revive Louis...what's to say he didn't do that for when joker killed Louis? Also, I thought superman was like completely useless against magic?
@@samuraijackoff5354 He can absolutely be killed by a strong enough magical force lol. This is the same franchise that sports literal Christian God and his nigh-omnipotent right hand man, The Specter. Most magical characters aren't sufficiently capable of producing enough magical might to harm Supes though.
this isn't a superman exclusive thing, every hero is turned to a bad guy when they kill the bad guys, i hate the fact that they always try to justify not killing the joker, but injustice superman can't be redeemed, he is an evil piece of sh*t, he isn't just killing bad people he was willing to kill anyone including friends and kids even innocent as long as they oppose him
@@ridgefrost Yeah the writers want you to think that killing murderers is a slippery slope that will inevitably turn someone into a bloodthirsty psychopath. They don't want you to think about the people who killed Nazis in WWII or fought for freedom in The American Revolution who killed evil people and went back home as loving, functional members of society. There's nothing wrong with killing mass murderers and there never will be.
@@duberdurm yeah its stupid and its like they think we are stupid to, cuz alot of people have gone, "u dont want to kill him?, fine, break his legs then, paralyse him, throw him into the phantom zone, get martian manhunter to leave him in a comatose state, immobilise him somehow just don't let him roam around freely" which is really what putting a comics villain in jail actually is but the writers don't want to do that either, also batman used to kill before and he got convinced pretty easily to stop doing that what says he can't get himself or can't be convinced again to stop killing if he ever went punisher mode, its just dumb
It isn't really about the killing, though that is part of it, it's the idea that when you use your personal power to be judge jury and executioner for one thing then you will find the reason to do it again for another. You start with the absolute worst like joker, and most people will agree with you. Then you end up going after the people who have killed people before but they aren't the insane serial murderers. Then there are those who commit crimes recklessly but don't actually try to kill anyone, and what if you personally think that a war is unjust but you actually don't know the facts? Where does the line finally end? And what stops you from moving it once you moved it the first time? When you have massive amounts of power you need to have control. It's why even in self defense cases there sometimes is a trial, even if it's obvious. Or a person accused of murder but evidence comes out they were framed or blackmailed etc. The more power you have the more careful you need to be
Injustice does a good job of exploring why superheroes don't kill. It became a real slippery slope for Superman. From justified (Joker, Robin offing Zsasz) to a grey area (Clark killed Ollie over an accident) to just murder (Shazam is killed for questioning Clark's methods. In the game it shows Superman suffocating Shazam which wouldn't work as Shazam is immune to Clark's powers however it is more likely he was in Billy form but Netherrealms would never get DC to approve Superman offing a child but that was what happened.) Killing became an addiction to Clark and like many other addicts, it started because of pain.
injustice superman didn't fall because he killed, he fell because joker made him emotionally vulnerable and nobody was there to help. batman basically abandoned him, and wonder woman stoked his anger/vulnerability causing him to go down the path we saw him go. superman isn't emotionally invulnerable, but he's not so out of his mind one kill would throw him down that path like it would have with batman.
@@dragnbreath1yeah. He just froze Shazam's mouth beforehand. I forgot the heat vision. I'm pretty sure that Superman's powers (ice breath and heat vision) can't impact magic users. Which is why I suspect Shazam would actually have been Billy Batson at the time he was killed but DC wouldn't go for the child murder that likely happened.
you mean why DC hero's don't kill, Marvel Hero's kill all the time, usually in combat against evil foes, only certain Marvel Heros don't kill, such as Spider-man, who are more morally minded, but MOST of the Avengers and X-Men will and have killed.
Yeah, you can even hear Billy go "sha-" right before his mouth is frozen. Which would have turned him to turn him into kid form, so it only makes sense if he was doing it as a kid to turn into Shazam. He also uses heat vision to burn through Billy's eyes and fry his brain.
Capt. Atom is a man with atomic powers while the guy whose powers let him shrink to microscopic sizes is The Atom. Two totally different characters and power sets. Love these videos though!! Keep up the great work!!
Most awesome dark Superman moment, Lex Luthor goes into a Red Sun room puts on a pair of Kryptonite gauntlets and challenges Superman to come for him. (Clone) Superman closes the door, rips the room out of the skyscraper, and chucks it into the street.
@10:15 - Love the video but I really have to point this out... You say that amazo kills Cyborg and "Hawkeye"... I think you may have meant Hawkman. Unless Sups is crossing into Marvel to impose his will.
That's because some people don't believe that even a benevolent god-like being can have a sudden heel turn, should he ever desire. Devilish variants of you are never a pleasant thought but, in some ways, it tests your resolve and dedication to your cause, to ensure that you never become like them or worse (basically, cautionary tales). Above all else, it forces you to revise yourself and temper your power before it invites misery and suffering. This may sound philosophical, but these are my thoughts. I would like to hear your thoughts.
Ya know I really don't like how today's writers in DC are doing these stories and alternate world stories trying to make Superman look bad and like a dumb failure as a hero. He was not meant to be that way when he was first made, he was made to be the world's greatest superhero who stands for truth justice & the american way, a symbol, a beacon, very intelligent and a great inspiration to others as well as a great natural leader of the JLA.
If you're complaining about all this then you're not a true fan of comic books. Comics aren't ment to stick to making a particular character the same for all time,comics give us different versions of heroes becoming villains and vice-versa. You disliking Superman being turned into a villain or a flawed hero my not be to your liking. But it also means you're not right.
@@vladimir-savage72 I'm not talking about the comics, I'm talking about in the DCAU and it's recent movies. Today's writers in the DCAU don't really know Superman too well as the old school writers did like Dwayne McDuffie.
Yes ik what u mean, it's interesting to see an evil or twisted minded Superman in alternate realities but it does seem like they're trying to outweigh the badness over the goodness of Superman and it kinda worries me how kids might not be able to see that he's better than he's shown in recent medias. Justice League animated series was probably even the peak of all heroes there.
@@f32lex36 Glad to see you agree with me on this. It's like I said, today's writers are just not like Dwayne McDuffie who did JL TAS/Unlimited and actually knew how to write Superman the right way.
People are bored of perfect Mary Sues. There is a reason a lot of writers try to make their characters more edgy/depressed/cold etc. Because they need it to write... That being said I find the stories where superman is just his typical boyscout self but having to deal with something he can't just punch away. The one comic where he tries to talk a suicidal girl out of jumping and promising her not to catch her if she truely choose to jump so REALLY good. Unfortuently most writers just dont do well with an overpowered perfect Mary Sue
Man when Superman-Zod said “I can” ,i think he is more likely into the opinion of “I can control my power by myself ,so you can do it too” , more than intention of “I can end your life to stop this “. It might be sadder for the us, the watchers to understand this way because it’s much more heavier in emotion.
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Great video, wish you included the Justice League Unlimited : Superman vs Shazam (aka Never meet your hero's moment) and Superman/Batman Apocalypse: Superman vs Brainwashed SuperGirl
honestly,that Braniac episode was for me a nod to the episode where Batman sits on a swing with Ace until she dies (simply had a feeling that creators took a notice and made an alike episode for Supes-this one)
Love the video, but just one thing, the so called Superman with the goatee is actually a What if style world where Zod's son is sent to earth, instead of Jor-El's.
Interesting contents, specially abt Superman true self. Thou the amount of adds, im little bit concern with my decisions if i wanna scroll around the contents. Thts just me i guess hahahah....Meow
Come on how you going to do cold-cast like that? He's one of the backbone of the elite raw physical power even if he doesn't have a whole lot of Versatility
Captain Atom controls Atomic Energy, and the Atom can shrink to a subatomic scale. Raz Al Ghul. The Justice Lords have been fighting as a government for 2 years, unused to the threats the other league deal with, such as Doomsday
Because in the Gods And Monsters universe, this Superman is the son of General Zod and Lara Lor Van, via artificial procreation, raised by Mexican-American Immigrants. Wonder Woman is also a warrior from Apokalypse, with an on-off relationship with Superman, and Batman is a Vampire with the secret identity of Kirk Langstrom
That wasn't Captain Atom, that looked like The Atom, Ray Palmer, that had shrank down, inside Superman, and, was attacking Him with a Kryptonite Sliver he'd apparently brought in with him!
10:10 "But Amazo is programed by Ra and kills Cyborg and Hawkeye" The the Egyptian sun god programs Amazo to kill DC and Marvel heroes, the ultimate crossover 😂
Batman didn't beat superman to death or even anywhere to that extreme He just won the fight between them And also superman didn't tip off Kelly about Bruce being alive She already knew and had a shovel to dig him out of the grave
Superman: Red Son was pretty good. The comic was even better. Gods and Monsters was pretty dope too. I'm not the biggest Superman fan but a lot of his, I guess, Elseworld stories, are really good.
@@SantaPorter420 no that drove him to do something drastic. The fact that he could not make a world where it would never happen again because his best friends were hostile to him drove him insane.
@@neutroniumranger9036 You think it wasn't flying his family into space, but his friends justifiable reaction to him punching a hole through joker that drove him insane?
@@SantaPorter420 honestly it wasn't justifiable. That's like saying Hitler deserved mercy, or Stalin. The joker flat out deserved death,and in a much more brutal way than his came
@@neutroniumranger9036 lol don't try to make superman seem in the right 😂😂 "his best friends were hostile" he tried to FORCE his will on an entire world more complicated than he could possibly understand
What’s the name of that song playing in the background at 11:27 minute mark? I hear it all the time in TH-cam videos but I have no clue what song it is.
The injustice universe is wrong in its portrayals of superman and wonderwoman as they wouldnt act like that at all. Clark wouldn't go evil just because Lois dies as the same thing happened in kingdom come and instead of been a villain, superman took the joker to prison. The injustice universe was basically nrs and the writers way of sucking batmans d*co because they worship batman
@@lynnerose7891 ye superman wouldn't do that. Nrs just wanted superman to be evil because they hate the character and worship batman. It's a very common mentality when it comes to DC comics and nrs
@@mattyt3625 Wonder Woman WOULD and has killed. She committed cold blooded murder to stop Superman from being mind controlled by Maxwell Lord, for example. The entire point of Injustice was to show that everyone DOES have a breaking point. Even Superman. In Kingdom Come, Lois dies of old age. In Injustice, Superman brutally beats his own wife to death, which set off a nuclear bomb killing thousands of innocent people. Without the fear toxin then he wouldn’t do that but THAT was the problem bc Superman should be immune to its effects.
@@lynnerose7891 Lois doesn't die of old age in kingdom come. Joker killed her. I don't know what comic your talking about. Also no clark wouldn't break because Lois dies. That isn't who the character is. He is this way because he was raised by Martha and Jonathan kent. If it was a universe were that was different then it would be possible. Wonderwoman has killed before yes but she wouldn't do so as if it's natural. That isn't who the character is. Also they would never do this to batman who would turn evil way before superman.
It's incredible how DC has so many interesting and amazing storylines and yet not a single good movie has been made, no body has been able to adapt the material to the bog screen.
Wow! How are you gonna just leave out Coldcast from the Elite like that?☹️🙍🏿♂️ I know it was intentionally, but yeah I caught you slipping my guy 🤦🏿♂️
The Superman animated series that was part of the whole Batman, JLA & JLA Unlimited animated Universe was a great show. I think it’s underrated because it wasn’t quite as good as the others.
2:55 i love this version of superman, because he is not the son of jor'el but the son of Zod , gods and monster verse is awesome, havving a vampiric batman and a more dubious wonder woman . Also remember great power means great responsibility and also the literal weight of the world
Darker tone and evil Superman stories works great in animation. Too bad it didn't work well in live action movies. Gods and Monsters, Red Son, and Superman vs The Elite are my all time favorite Superman animated movies.
No one tops D.C.'s animation.By far the best.im a die hard marvel guy.collected them from the late 70s thru 80s as a kid.iron man was my fav.read about them all.my late bro.loved d.c.Warlord was his guy.But when iron man came out in 08 I about died.he was getting aodern day tech movie.i was there the 1st availible night to watch.ohhh man I was a kid again.The mcu is great but in the animation world I don't see that same quality or passion.I wish,,but not yet...
In the graphic novel where the last one was adapted from, the Joker straight up murders a bunch of kids with cotton candy. That really stuck with me as a kid - the entire book was so much darker then anything I had read from DC at the time.
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That fight in Superman vs The Elite is really a commentary on why comicbook heroes being "darker" because it's "realistic" or having "new takes" to "humanize" and "make them more relatable" isn't always a good thing, and often actually takes away what makes them the heroes we look up to.
Because reality sucks, humanity can suck, but having an ideal to live up to encourages us to keep trying to be better people instead of making excuses to wallow in our collective misery and failings.
There are practical reasons as well. By not killing, they can get assistance from the dominant human institutions.
Well said don't think I have anything to add. One of my favorite scenes for this very reason.
Any father that tells even his own sons "never shoot back, EVER," inspires nothing but misery; in every reality. Batman sucks.
@@Dunge0n Batman doesn't suck, but, by refusing to kill, under ANY circumstances, he HAS allowed many to be killed by those without his reservations against the use of lethal force to gain their main objective! Personally, I can see using lethal force on an individual who will use any means, including murder/mass murder, to gain some material benefit! They don't care, why should you hamstring yourself while trying to stop them, when, in many cases, they're relying on that very thing!?
@@Dunge0n that is not true and I think you know it. There are absolutely realities where living up to that principle led one of them to be a beacon of what it means to be a hero for good and have a hard but accomplished and happy life, even having a family. Life isn't just supposed to be sunshine and rainbows. If you were "happy" all the time it would lose meaning becoming worthless. You would create destructive scenarios just to change that (there have been many studies that show this look them up). We struggle to better ourselves, improve our lives, and be able to *value* the good times. But I understand the feeling and thought process behind your comment.
I didnt know there was more to the Gods and Monsters universe. I was really impressed by the development of that Superman
Yeah but he is zod son not kal El so really not superman
I thought there was only one movie
@@asherif3893 but the point of the movie was that he was still Superman
@@asherif3893 Kal El isn’t the only Superman 💀
There's the comic the three shorts uwu
“Luthor gives him another speech Superman never asked for.”
Fucking hilarious!
I really like the version that is the son of Zod, unlike the regular version that one is perfect, because it is nature vs nurture, in the regular he is the son of good people raised by good people, meanwhile he is the son of a bad person, that condemn others and basically killed the regular superman and sent his son in his place, but then he arrives and learn, and he becomes good despite being the son of who we can see as a villain, it is a much better message.
Take the nature vs nurture a step further. OG supes had a relatively idealistic upbringing and inherently always looked for the scenario where he could save everyone. Whereas GaM superman was raised by illegal immigrants, and while still taught to be good and virtuous probably had a bit of a rougher upbringing, resulting in him being taking the more immediate route when saving lives and carrying those choices as a burden.
Good Superman isn’t perfect. No need to put down Clark to prop Hernan up. They’re both great characters but a redemption arc doesn’t necessarily make Hernan a better character, just different.
Also implies he’s never had an arc. You also focus on nature quite a bit when really *nurture* is why both are the way they are, as Hernan had it a lot rougher than Clark. Nurture v Nature has always been a big part of the character
@@kyriss12 I’m gonna be pedantic here but ideal rather than idealistic 🗿
Otherwise, good comment
He's not perfect, he's just a good person. Good people aren't perfect people, they're just good people.
@@Auron1Roxas2 yeah. I could make a whole list of Clark’s flaws, he just not as severely flawed as I am, for example :p
Ok, you can’t fault him for dealing with Doomsday that way because.... it’s Doomsday! He can’t die the same way twice and he’s so lethal you can’t hold back. Either kill him or detain him
They can't keep Joker, a human with no powers, detained. You got to kill Doomsday because he can't be detained and will only cause death. There is no redemption.
@@kurtwagner1915 lulz just keep doomsday in arkham asylum im sure their revolving door would keep him contained🤣
If you kill him he’ll just come back stronger. Imprisoning will keep him the same but he’ll escape again. There is no winning.
@@SantaPorter420 doomsday doesn't have personhood. He had 0 humanity, he's basically an animal wth no higher conscious thought. Killing him was like killing an animal which supes is find with.
as far as i can tell doomsday is barely sentient so its not a great loss. there isnt a whole lot of nature vs nurture going on with him, hes just built to be a menace. sucks to be him
I just gotta say RoboCop(Peter Weller) as Batman in The Dark Knight Returns parts 1&2 is simply amazing.
I watched both of those just yesterday
Holy shit I never realized!!!
Definitely one of THE best written plots in comics.
he should play that version of batman in a live action film. i think that would be cool he looks like Bruce Wayne would look at that age. legit id definitely cast him for that then Batman Beyond right after.
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Thing is the Superman of Gods & Monsters was not Kal-El but the son of Zod. Also he didn't grow up in Smallville, Kansas but in Tijuana, Mexico.
I thought he did land in Kansas, but was picked up by farm workers.
Mexico? That explains everything
@@masterwizard8090 whoa there what do u mean by that
@@tzzxzz5379 it's American writers. What do you think? LOL
@@tzzxzz5379 his beard
Good job capturing the context of each one in just a few short minutes.
What if Superman sent all of Arkham Asylum’s inmates into The Phantom Zone?
None of them would escape and IMHO it would be a perfect prison, Not even Batman could object to the Joker never being able to hurt or kill anyone ever again.
Yeah right, He probably would one way or another.
Funny enough, that was literally the plot to The Lego Batman Movie xD
@@justin42520 u know we all know that the only reason villains aren't killed or permanently dealt with is cuz they need plot for the next comic or show or movie but it feels like batman sorta needs joker's presence to function, batman has given brain damage, unrecoverable body damage to crooks and other villains but its like with the joker he's always lenient, heck he even laughed with the joker once, batman doesn't even laugh with his friends/partners/teammates but he did with a psychotic mass murderer? Thats just weird
@@ridgefrost geez... you didn't really have to go into all of that a similar plot has been played out in a family oriented film from years ago xD he essentially stolen The Phantom Zone projector from Superman's Fortress of Solitude during a Justice League anniversary party that he was not invited at. He and Robin snuck to Arkham and transported his whole entire Rogues gallery into The Phantom Zone where they were all judged accordingly to be imprisoned there. That is until the Joker made a proposition to get them all out of there and storm Gotham City
@@ridgefrost although, if you do want to get psychological about Batman's need for his identity and villains oh, it is mainly on the aspect of him using his childhood trauma as a crutch in order to give a more symbolic tribute to his parents either just out of flat out, or the need to just be a hero. Joker is that reluctant kingship that he has with someone of a similar yet entirely different psychological state that he is in. The Killing Joke did illustrate that point along with several others on why Batman has chosen this nature to not kill despite his origins of killing villains including the Joker being not such a troublesome moral issue as it is now. You could also see this as him essentially wanting to be a sane man and proving that it is possible through trying to rehabilitate someone as broken as him much like The Joker is. While also trying to pursue that, he ends up doing the very thing that he sets out to destroy, which was he often price himself on the aspect of not killing because he knows he is teetering on that bridge of insanity if he does and a lot of his aggression would come out in the form of mutilation and murder if he kills that version of him that has been responsible for and holding back those urges.
There has been possibilities on the fact that he doesn't really want to get better but just wants to have a purpose. White Knight definitely showcased that when Joker did get better by pointed out that Batman was a worse plague on Gotham than he ever was both in its economics and its reputation. Not only that but he also went as far as to clean up the streets of Gotham in a much more organized way even by working with the law itself despite his identity and reputation. There was even another case where Joker believed Batman to be dead and went on to try to have a normal life complete with Wife and Kids. Another case was even when he was involved in a catatonic state Batman was retired in Dark Knight Returns. You can imagine what happened when Batman came into the picture.
The point is that Batman is the way he is for multiple reasons either having to try to fix his own mistakes or struggling to keep his mental health in check while giving himself a further purpose. This purpose also could have been a better thing for him if he focused on trying to fix a lot of Gotham's problems economically and do a lot more cracking down on the corrupt system they have within the city both medical and law official. There have been plenty of villains killed but he also does feel the need to try to heal them before anything but it became a further purpose because he selfishly focused on his own.
Didn't they do that already in one of the comics? Where they imprisoned every villain on earth and it backfired horribly leading to Martian Manhunter's gruelsome death.
I just realized we like our anti heros weak. If Superman’s an anti hero he’s terrifying. But when the punisher is an anti hero we’re like sure as a normal human he’s scary but when your a god like thor or even a superhuman like the captain is like Ight I can probably beat him hand to hand so less scary. So we like our anti heros weak
This really depend on the story, in most, yes, also, it is almost impossible to make an antihero that is godlike, if you try the natural course will lead to basically injustice, if there is all powerful it will end up like that, it is even recognized in the series itself, when superman says that with his power batman would have done the same, and batman recognize that is true when he says that superman is not batman.
Cosmic Ghost Rider is calling
What about Deadpool? His an anti hero and is fairly overpowered
He is*
@@emilialittle1002 i mean i guess but like the fear of deadpool comes less from his skill and more from his insane healing power. if you removed that bit then he's far less scary than the objectively insane powerhouses like thor or superman lol
Superman vs the Elite is so much better than anything Injustice has given." This is the unrestrained Superman." No, he still holds back. He even holds back in SvE and he's still many more times powerful than in Injustice.
Black: Where did he go?
Superman: Into orbit at Mach 6. If you had super-hearing then any moment you'd hear the...pop.
There's no way Batman even with a super-strength serum can battle that.
Yes there is it's called plot armor. Also batman can beat anyone sooooooooo
@@javontetreault6713 True, that can happen. There was after all a JL storyline where they were given Nth metal armour in order to defeat the big bad. Literal plot armour.
@@nielsjensen4185 Supes vs the Elite is just considered a better movie overall. Superman's power level in that movie is the cherry on top because villains were humbled big time.
If Injustice superman (comics or movie) was that superior like he was in the Elite film, it wouldn't be much of a story. He'd kill advisary including that version of Batman within the 1st month of his tyranny "techinically."
I'm not sure Injustice & the Elite stories were meant to be compared side by side like that.
@@e-roc6472 Indeed they never were, however, doing so showcases the logical inconsistencies in Injustice as the only story that should be there was Superman roflstomiping everyone because he feels he has no need to hold back anymore. His new goal would be to protect people against themselves like any person with a Fascistic ideology would because "people can not be trusted to govern themself. They clearly need some sort of leader" (an ubermensch fuhrer if you will) and that would be a far more interesting story. However, it would have a certain part of the fanbase screaming about politics in comics (unless it's politics they agree with).
@@nielsjensen4185 oh yeah lots of writers will play it safe in politics lol
Logical inconsistency with his power level? There's different version of him. Superman Prime 1 Million cud prolly challenge Dr. Manhattan. Injustice Superman is very strong but he can still be beaten by certain characters like the Olympians.
What makes the Injustice interesting (at least in the 1st 3 volumes) is that even tho he's broken he doesn't become a true tyrant overnight. He still puts in an attempt to hold on to some morals.
You see the slippery slope Batman always talks about as he & gradually gets worse. It doesn't help that his supporters enable/justify his actions at a vulnerable (not physical) state. Kidnapping his parents wasn't great for his psyche either.
Red Son supes has similar aspects. He's not all righteous one day then all evil the following week.
Someone mite adapt your example one day. There's always new talent & ideas🤷🏿♂️
The scene in which Dan Turpin gets killed by Darkseid, even though it really didn't get shown in this video, was one of the most shocking and heartbreaking moments in the Superman series. After Darkseid escapes back to Apocalypse, when Superman was pounding that massive tank into pieces, you can so feel his anger and pain from the death of Turpin.
superman as an apokolips prince actually seems really sick. id kind of like to see more of it.
Ain’t nothin more dark than when Superman lost his mind after he accidentally killed his wife cause of the Joker. Joker most definitely turned him into a monster.
his PREGNANT wife
Why do people always not mention Harley Quinn is just as much responsible for their deaths and millions other too? She helped.
@@Rairyuujin she does what Joker say. Joker broke Harley mind into becoming who she was now. Once she broke that bond she really just kinda did her own thing yeah it was crime but she started being on the hood guy side at the end. Joker even admitted to batman why he did it. He was tired of losing to batman no matter what joker planned superman was able to save everyone. With superman however he saw it as easy beaten a kitten to death with a puppy. That right there told me joker didn’t have no moral only to cause pain and destruction.
@@FreemindRicochet So she is completely innocent of her actions? Hardly.
@@FreemindRicochet nope, fuck that. She is just as responsible. She won't get no white knighting from any reasonable person.
funny how superman is more lighthearted and seemingly a more wholesome hero, but more often than not he ends up killing more than the dark and violent batman.
Batman has killed too and he mutilates and maims in regular basis while Superman avoids hurting humans.
Batman: what did you do?
Superman: what you refused to do
*superman after killing joker
And in doing so he became the very thing he swore to fight, a villian and a tyrant.
@@SirDankleberry He was just traumatized until that point was Batman and everybody lack or understanding and judgamental attitudes who damaged his mind.
Superman didn't hear Batmans heart through the coffin.... Superman can tune into the sound of Batmans heart beat from anywhere on the planet...
He chose not to react IMO.
The thing about injustice, I've thought about... in the old TV show, he flew around the earth backwards to revive Louis...what's to say he didn't do that for when joker killed Louis? Also, I thought superman was like completely useless against magic?
Superman isn't weak to magic like he is to Kryptonite. He simply isn't super resistant towards magic so magic can actually hurt him.
Magic It’s like getting pinched. You are weak to bullets, it hurts and can kill you. A pinch hurts like hell but you won’t die.
@@samuraijackoff5354 He can absolutely be killed by a strong enough magical force lol. This is the same franchise that sports literal Christian God and his nigh-omnipotent right hand man, The Specter. Most magical characters aren't sufficiently capable of producing enough magical might to harm Supes though.
I hate how they try to make Superman look evil for killing people who deserve it.
Same here
this isn't a superman exclusive thing, every hero is turned to a bad guy when they kill the bad guys, i hate the fact that they always try to justify not killing the joker, but injustice superman can't be redeemed, he is an evil piece of sh*t, he isn't just killing bad people he was willing to kill anyone including friends and kids even innocent as long as they oppose him
@@ridgefrost Yeah the writers want you to think that killing murderers is a slippery slope that will inevitably turn someone into a bloodthirsty psychopath. They don't want you to think about the people who killed Nazis in WWII or fought for freedom in The American Revolution who killed evil people and went back home as loving, functional members of society. There's nothing wrong with killing mass murderers and there never will be.
@@duberdurm yeah its stupid and its like they think we are stupid to, cuz alot of people have gone, "u dont want to kill him?, fine, break his legs then, paralyse him, throw him into the phantom zone, get martian manhunter to leave him in a comatose state, immobilise him somehow just don't let him roam around freely" which is really what putting a comics villain in jail actually is but the writers don't want to do that either, also batman used to kill before and he got convinced pretty easily to stop doing that what says he can't get himself or can't be convinced again to stop killing if he ever went punisher mode, its just dumb
It isn't really about the killing, though that is part of it, it's the idea that when you use your personal power to be judge jury and executioner for one thing then you will find the reason to do it again for another. You start with the absolute worst like joker, and most people will agree with you. Then you end up going after the people who have killed people before but they aren't the insane serial murderers. Then there are those who commit crimes recklessly but don't actually try to kill anyone, and what if you personally think that a war is unjust but you actually don't know the facts? Where does the line finally end? And what stops you from moving it once you moved it the first time? When you have massive amounts of power you need to have control. It's why even in self defense cases there sometimes is a trial, even if it's obvious. Or a person accused of murder but evidence comes out they were framed or blackmailed etc.
The more power you have the more careful you need to be
Injustice does a good job of exploring why superheroes don't kill. It became a real slippery slope for Superman. From justified (Joker, Robin offing Zsasz) to a grey area (Clark killed Ollie over an accident) to just murder (Shazam is killed for questioning Clark's methods. In the game it shows Superman suffocating Shazam which wouldn't work as Shazam is immune to Clark's powers however it is more likely he was in Billy form but Netherrealms would never get DC to approve Superman offing a child but that was what happened.) Killing became an addiction to Clark and like many other addicts, it started because of pain.
injustice superman didn't fall because he killed, he fell because joker made him emotionally vulnerable and nobody was there to help. batman basically abandoned him, and wonder woman stoked his anger/vulnerability causing him to go down the path we saw him go. superman isn't emotionally invulnerable, but he's not so out of his mind one kill would throw him down that path like it would have with batman.
@gabriel Carter In the game he used his heat vision to boil shazaam's brain thru his eyeballs
@@dragnbreath1yeah. He just froze Shazam's mouth beforehand. I forgot the heat vision. I'm pretty sure that Superman's powers (ice breath and heat vision) can't impact magic users. Which is why I suspect Shazam would actually have been Billy Batson at the time he was killed but DC wouldn't go for the child murder that likely happened.
you mean why DC hero's don't kill, Marvel Hero's kill all the time, usually in combat against evil foes, only certain Marvel Heros don't kill, such as Spider-man, who are more morally minded, but MOST of the Avengers and X-Men will and have killed.
Yeah, you can even hear Billy go "sha-" right before his mouth is frozen. Which would have turned him to turn him into kid form, so it only makes sense if he was doing it as a kid to turn into Shazam. He also uses heat vision to burn through Billy's eyes and fry his brain.
Capt. Atom is a man with atomic powers while the guy whose powers let him shrink to microscopic sizes is The Atom. Two totally different characters and power sets. Love these videos though!! Keep up the great work!!
Most awesome dark Superman moment, Lex Luthor goes into a Red Sun room puts on a pair of Kryptonite gauntlets and challenges Superman to come for him. (Clone) Superman closes the door, rips the room out of the skyscraper, and chucks it into the street.
Superman: Doomsday.
Good movie
In the comics Wonder woman is ironically the main villain as she manipulates superman to do her bidding and shape the world through him
Fun Fact: Superman in SM vs The Elite is voiced by the same guy who voiced Sephiroth.
❤.
He also voice Superman in Justice League animated series
who?
@@raymondtomas2294 George Newbern
Man someone's got to do a remix with this scene combined with the One Winged Angel music from Kingdom hearts.😂😂😂
@10:15 - Love the video but I really have to point this out... You say that amazo kills Cyborg and "Hawkeye"... I think you may have meant Hawkman. Unless Sups is crossing into Marvel to impose his will.
I wish they did more with Gods and Monsters. I really liked that Superman.
Superman being so dark DC really does make you feel like the hero’s aren’t hero’s anymore and it’s hella scary.
That's because some people don't believe that even a benevolent god-like being can have a sudden heel turn, should he ever desire. Devilish variants of you are never a pleasant thought but, in some ways, it tests your resolve and dedication to your cause, to ensure that you never become like them or worse (basically, cautionary tales). Above all else, it forces you to revise yourself and temper your power before it invites misery and suffering. This may sound philosophical, but these are my thoughts. I would like to hear your thoughts.
Ya know I really don't like how today's writers in DC are doing these stories and alternate world stories trying to make Superman look bad and like a dumb failure as a hero. He was not meant to be that way when he was first made, he was made to be the world's greatest superhero who stands for truth justice & the american way, a symbol, a beacon, very intelligent and a great inspiration to others as well as a great natural leader of the JLA.
If you're complaining about all this then you're not a true fan of comic books. Comics aren't ment to stick to making a particular character the same for all time,comics give us different versions of heroes becoming villains and vice-versa. You disliking Superman being turned into a villain or a flawed hero my not be to your liking. But it also means you're not right.
@@vladimir-savage72 I'm not talking about the comics, I'm talking about in the DCAU and it's recent movies. Today's writers in the DCAU don't really know Superman too well as the old school writers did like Dwayne McDuffie.
Yes ik what u mean, it's interesting to see an evil or twisted minded Superman in alternate realities but it does seem like they're trying to outweigh the badness over the goodness of Superman and it kinda worries me how kids might not be able to see that he's better than he's shown in recent medias. Justice League animated series was probably even the peak of all heroes there.
@@f32lex36 Glad to see you agree with me on this. It's like I said, today's writers are just not like Dwayne McDuffie who did JL TAS/Unlimited and actually knew how to write Superman the right way.
People are bored of perfect Mary Sues.
There is a reason a lot of writers try to make their characters more edgy/depressed/cold etc. Because they need it to write...
That being said I find the stories where superman is just his typical boyscout self but having to deal with something he can't just punch away.
The one comic where he tries to talk a suicidal girl out of jumping and promising her not to catch her if she truely choose to jump so REALLY good.
Unfortuently most writers just dont do well with an overpowered perfect Mary Sue
Man when Superman-Zod said “I can” ,i think he is more likely into the opinion of “I can control my power by myself ,so you can do it too” , more than intention of “I can end your life to stop this “. It might be sadder for the us, the watchers to understand this way because it’s much more heavier in emotion.
I always loved that scene when the slaves on apocalypse saves darkseid
Superman having forays into dark places should be the extreme exception and not the norm. Modern Superman has been way too dark for way too long.
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Honestly great video bruh
The micro hero is " The Atom". Not Captain Atom.
The ridiculousness of the Injustice league movie plot had me dying laughing as he explained it I know that’s comics but wow😂
The comics are ridiculous too.
Great video, wish you included the Justice League Unlimited : Superman vs Shazam (aka Never meet your hero's moment) and Superman/Batman Apocalypse: Superman vs Brainwashed SuperGirl
Good stuff 👍🏿
10:14 Amazo killed Cyborg and HAWKEYE.
You have no idea how much you've just cleared up for me thanks
honestly,that Braniac episode was for me a nod to the episode where Batman sits on a swing with Ace until she dies (simply had a feeling that creators took a notice and made an alike episode for Supes-this one)
Love the video, but just one thing, the so called Superman with the goatee is actually a What if style world where Zod's son is sent to earth, instead of Jor-El's.
I love the superman vs the elites moment.
Interesting contents, specially abt Superman true self. Thou the amount of adds, im little bit concern with my decisions if i wanna scroll around the contents. Thts just me i guess hahahah....Meow
I hate how they make Super heroes be guilty to kill Villains and if they do, they get hate.
Come on how you going to do cold-cast like that? He's one of the backbone of the elite raw physical power even if he doesn't have a whole lot of Versatility
Captain Atom and the Atom are not the same person. Who is this Rah? How can the League be outclassed if the Justice Lords are fighting Doomsday?
Captain Atom controls Atomic Energy, and the Atom can shrink to a subatomic scale. Raz Al Ghul. The Justice Lords have been fighting as a government for 2 years, unused to the threats the other league deal with, such as Doomsday
I also realized the mistakes and inconsistencies in this video. It's really annoying
Rah is basically an evil Dr strange, but in all seriousness he's an evil wizard when ya break it down
@@emilialittle1002
I thought he was just mispronouncing Ras al Ghul, the Batman villain.
10:16 you called Hawkman Hawkeye 😂
3:24 why does Superman look like Adam Sandler?
I was thinking, "Why does he look like John McAffe?"
Because in the Gods And Monsters universe, this Superman is the son of General Zod and Lara Lor Van, via artificial procreation, raised by Mexican-American Immigrants. Wonder Woman is also a warrior from Apokalypse, with an on-off relationship with Superman, and Batman is a Vampire with the secret identity of Kirk Langstrom
@@aaronalkor Batman Here Is Voiced By Dexter.
Just Amazing 😆🥳🥰
Great ✨✨ 🌼😄
That wasn't Captain Atom, that looked like The Atom, Ray Palmer, that had shrank down, inside Superman, and, was attacking Him with a Kryptonite Sliver he'd apparently brought in with him!
4:30 A magician that wears a fedora. Pretty damn evil
10:10 "But Amazo is programed by Ra and kills Cyborg and Hawkeye"
The the Egyptian sun god programs Amazo to kill DC and Marvel heroes, the ultimate crossover 😂
Batman didn't beat superman to death or even anywhere to that extreme
He just won the fight between them
And also superman didn't tip off Kelly about Bruce being alive
She already knew and had a shovel to dig him out of the grave
What's the song name for the injustice one
This would be even darker with the theme from spiderman 3 where Peter is in the black suit
Great compilation. Love the video
Please. DCs „Empty Hand“ explained . The Destroyer of Multiverses and End of all Stories
Superman: Red Son was pretty good. The comic was even better. Gods and Monsters was pretty dope too. I'm not the biggest Superman fan but a lot of his, I guess, Elseworld stories, are really good.
I like the true Injustice Comic. Poor superman just wanted there to be peace but humanity's ego drove him insane.
No the joker tricking him into killing his family (Lois and child) drove him insane
@@SantaPorter420 no that drove him to do something drastic. The fact that he could not make a world where it would never happen again because his best friends were hostile to him drove him insane.
@@neutroniumranger9036
You think it wasn't flying his family into space, but his friends justifiable reaction to him punching a hole through joker that drove him insane?
@@SantaPorter420 honestly it wasn't justifiable. That's like saying Hitler deserved mercy, or Stalin. The joker flat out deserved death,and in a much more brutal way than his came
@@neutroniumranger9036 lol don't try to make superman seem in the right 😂😂 "his best friends were hostile" he tried to FORCE his will on an entire world more complicated than he could possibly understand
Thanks for this
Damn, he actually met kid Megamind
What’s the name of that song playing in the background at 11:27 minute mark? I hear it all the time in TH-cam videos but I have no clue what song it is.
I think in the injustice univers wonder woman is the biggest villain Cuz she was the one who pushes superman to kill instead of grieve.
The injustice universe is wrong in its portrayals of superman and wonderwoman as they wouldnt act like that at all. Clark wouldn't go evil just because Lois dies as the same thing happened in kingdom come and instead of been a villain, superman took the joker to prison.
The injustice universe was basically nrs and the writers way of sucking batmans d*co because they worship batman
Not until long after Superman killed Joker, his own wife, and thousands of ppl with a nuclear weapon.
@@lynnerose7891 ye superman wouldn't do that. Nrs just wanted superman to be evil because they hate the character and worship batman. It's a very common mentality when it comes to DC comics and nrs
@@mattyt3625 Wonder Woman WOULD and has killed. She committed cold blooded murder to stop Superman from being mind controlled by Maxwell Lord, for example. The entire point of Injustice was to show that everyone DOES have a breaking point. Even Superman. In Kingdom Come, Lois dies of old age. In Injustice, Superman brutally beats his own wife to death, which set off a nuclear bomb killing thousands of innocent people. Without the fear toxin then he wouldn’t do that but THAT was the problem bc Superman should be immune to its effects.
@@lynnerose7891 Lois doesn't die of old age in kingdom come. Joker killed her. I don't know what comic your talking about. Also no clark wouldn't break because Lois dies. That isn't who the character is. He is this way because he was raised by Martha and Jonathan kent. If it was a universe were that was different then it would be possible.
Wonderwoman has killed before yes but she wouldn't do so as if it's natural. That isn't who the character is.
Also they would never do this to batman who would turn evil way before superman.
Oooh, the hints.
Gods and Monsters was badass.
is the song playing in the background CHEEL-KURT?
The fact that Superman can be mortally wounded but never be killed.
Literally one of the biggest comics in the world is “The Death of Superman.”
@@pennywise8994 "Superman is Dead" then volumes later Superman comes back with lumberjack looking while wearing black.
But he still was killed
@@pennywise8994 oh, yeah. I think only Snyder's version actually made Doomsday killed him. Others just badly wounding him.
@@vuvuvu6291 nah, he gets killed dude,you're wrong
What's the song at 11:15?
Superman was right though!!
I love how when you introduce the elite you completely left out cold cast lol
Dont forget lois was pregnant in injustice.
Very nice vidio
The mixture doesn’t kill captain atom. It kills the atom. Amazo didn’t kill Hawkeye because he is marvel. You mean hawk man
It's incredible how DC has so many interesting and amazing storylines and yet not a single good movie has been made, no body has been able to adapt the material to the bog screen.
Wow! How are you gonna just leave out Coldcast from the Elite like that?☹️🙍🏿♂️ I know it was intentionally, but yeah I caught you slipping my guy 🤦🏿♂️
By MacGyver's shining light, I had no idea there was a part 2 of Gods & Monsters !?
24:48 there was great big flash everything just changed, her molecules got all rearranged
9:52 correction: superman kidnaps Mr. Traffic and steals his technology.
Gutsy move with the backlash the Powergirl video got. I wonder what the outrage will be here.
Yo what's that music in the very first part of the video?
When Superman loses it it is always quite terrifying.
The Superman animated series that was part of the whole Batman, JLA & JLA Unlimited animated Universe was a great show. I think it’s underrated because it wasn’t quite as good as the others.
Superman with kid Braniac looks almost identical to Vandal Savage from the Justic League cartoon!!
i still just love the batman vs superman animated movie. its so well executed.
2:55 i love this version of superman, because he is not the son of jor'el but the son of Zod , gods and monster verse is awesome, havving a vampiric batman and a more dubious wonder woman .
Also remember great power means great responsibility and also the literal weight of the world
The gods and monsters superman looks so cold. Such a great design
His name isn't 'Ra' it's "Ra's" pronounced Rah'z
Ra's al Ghul is Arabic for "the demon's head". The Arabic pronunciation for the first syllable is "rah-us"
I know I get nitpicky about that too.
It's pronounced Raysh.
@@alchemicmercury Sorry boyo, Arabic name, arabic pronunciation.
This video was great !
Darker tone and evil Superman stories works great in animation. Too bad it didn't work well in live action movies. Gods and Monsters, Red Son, and Superman vs The Elite are my all time favorite Superman animated movies.
You promised to make me a King....And so you are... KING OF FOOLS 😂😂😂
Batman didn't beat Superman to death in TDKR pt 2, actually watch the movie next time dude.
No one tops D.C.'s animation.By far the best.im a die hard marvel guy.collected them from the late 70s thru 80s as a kid.iron man was my fav.read about them all.my late bro.loved d.c.Warlord was his guy.But when iron man came out in 08 I about died.he was getting aodern day tech movie.i was there the 1st availible night to watch.ohhh man I was a kid again.The mcu is great but in the animation world I don't see that same quality or passion.I wish,,but not yet...
I love DC because of their insane multiveree and just generally way darker stories compared to Marvel.
23:56 is that peacemaker? 🤔
It's weird that you mispronounce names like Ra's and Silas when these are names you can audibly hear in the movies you reference.
Exactly. Ra is Reich Algoul (If that's how it's spelled)
@@jellybean7283 It's spelled Ra's, but it's pronounced like "raysh"
In the graphic novel where the last one was adapted from, the Joker straight up murders a bunch of kids with cotton candy. That really stuck with me as a kid - the entire book was so much darker then anything I had read from DC at the time.
OKAY THE MOVIE INJUSTICE LOOKS BAD.
Indeed. I just couldn't get past the extra black on everyone's knuckles. It just stood out so much and was totally unnecessary.
@@locutus442 OKAY
@@locutus442 YES IS INNESESARY AND THIS IS A BAD FILM.
WonderThot was definitely egging things on in injustice.