A tuned hw98 takes some beating but I'm really interested in the gasram ....is it quieter than a spring ? and how quiet is it with a silencer ?... cheers 🍻
Nice review. I've had an HW90 .22 for around three years from new. It's an incredibly well engineered rifle. Power dropped to around 8.5 fpe so I had my local gunsmith replace the valve for a new one and refill the cylinder. Back up to 11.5 fpe. The rifle is consistently accurate and the drop off of power is barely noticable over time so it's worth running it through the chronograph every few months to stay at the optimum. Worth noting is the lock to pull time with the HW90, it is very quick and the trigger is as good as many that are claimed to be better. Needless to say that I won't be selling this one of mine. It really is superb.
love to see a review of the Theoben Richard. I went to the Scottish game fair last year with the intention of buying a new rifle, my brother in law said don't bother i've got one you can have. WOW a Scirocco, sub 12 with less than a tin of pellets through it from new. What a gun!!
Bought one many years ago when they first came out, I'm left handed with a weak left eye but I still managed to achieve amazing accuracy with this fantastic bit of kit. Heavy but still fantastic 👍
Richard is a icon in the airgun industry. Whom is highly respected, brilliant review. I would love to add this one to my collection. Thank you for sharing… Cheers Tom LI NY
I had one for about a week. This is an old school gas ram design from way before the gas rams of today. The idea of being able to adjust the ram pressure was cool. German built was cool. THe trigger was good. In it's day this was a magnum break barrel but today their more mid level putting out about 20 FPE. It broke my Center point scope that has been on my Hatsan 125 Sniper in about 5 shots. It's got a horrendous shot cycle. This was going to be my dream setup and I ordered the barrel and parts to swap it to .20 cal. I sent it back along with the extra barrel. The finish on the stock wasn't what I would expect from around a 600.00 German spring either and was the final straw that made me return it. The butt stock and buttplate was rough with gaps inbetween. I shoot and collect and keep every gun in pristine condition for resale some day and this already came with flaws that would ding the value. Love my HW97K in blue lament. As far as power and gas rams I have a Gamo Hunter Extreme Pro I bought on sale new from GAMO USA for just under 200.00 in .22 that is an amazing shooter at 27-30 FPE with a select beech stock that sits proudly among my German springers.
Another great review Richard. Many congratulations on your millionth view, a fantastic achievement! The HW90 is a very attractive, and appealing rifle. As for your Sirocco though, wow!! What a beautiful gun. Very best wishes.
I was another one who lusted after a Theoben. I did get a Feinwerbau Sport Mk2 124 in the early 80's, I bought it out of the Freemans catalogue :). I currently have 2 springers, an early HW99s and HW97k Silverhawk. They are both in .177 and a HW90 would round off this little collection nicely. I also have an Airtech converted BSA R10se and a highly modified SMK 78. Nice review. I have found the new BSA range of pellets work very well in my HW's
I had the HW77k and was more than happy with it, then went to Air Arms EX88 which I found almost as good for accuracy, I did want the HW90 but lost the area I used to shoot at.
Freemans catalogue, brilliant. Guns and lovely Ladys. A FREEMANS ! catalogue, lol. Kays was good also. Get it on the "weekly" never never. A bloke would call, you paid CASH !!, and he would sign your payment book. It worked.
Hi Richard, Thank you for another great, indepth review. I especially liked your close up shots of the gun and of the trigger mechanism. Thank you also for showing us your Theoben gas ram in the initial stages. I have to agree, I adored those air rifles back then too, though owning one was completely out of the question. Up until now, I've never really taken the modern gas rams on board as I presumed they'd be prone to problems and would spend more time in the gunsmiths than out. Watching your review with the rifle straight in front, made my knees go weak. What a gorgeous looking air rifle. It looks fantastic. I have quality springers, though not one of these. I'm sure youll agree, if Weihaurch are making them, theyll be quality. I havent time to shoot and enjoy the rifles I have, let alone buy another. I missed the boat with Theoben. By the time I could afford their sublime quality kit, they were long gone, bless them. That was a great loss, with respect to RAW now. I would see this rifle as the modern equivalent and would definately think of it as half Theoben and fantastic quality and engineering. So proud, like BSA, Air Arms and Theoben, they were all british with fantastic design and quality. Best wishes, R.
Thanks Ian. Theoben rifles were ahead of their time for sure. I just picked up a Theoben Eliminator which at 22 ft/lbs is a real thunderbolt! I hope you are keeping well? Rich.
I owned a cheap Nova Vista gas ram a few years ago. It’s action was sooo smooth. I think a HW90 needs to be in my collection at some point. Great review 👍
Thanks very much. Certainly a great rifle and I don't think there are any other better gas rams on sale right now. Thanks for watching and you're continued support.
@@airgunextra do you hold a gas ram like a springer? I don't use strict artillery hold myself but is it the same deal with the recoil forces and so on?
I bought a HW 90, back in the late 80s which was superb, however cocking the long barrel of the HW 90 was sometimes tricky when shooting in the field or confined spaces.So I bought a carbine barrel and had it fitted.This solved the cocking issues, but it never quite compared to the long barrel for accuracy.Just part exchanged it for the HW 100…….gone modern 😁
Nice to see the Sirocco Richard, a rifle I always wanted but life and the expense of two kids said Noo! I did manage a 77k though 😁 A great review of a classic Air Rifle 👍
I loved mine in. 22. Sadly had it stolen and never replaced it. A few folks say they aren't as good as a hw 80 or 95 as the trigger isnt the Rekord unit.
If its worth stealing, it gives me additional incentive to buy one. Besides it 600 EUR full power price, Theoben gas ram, Weihrauch name, the rifle of a conoisseur.
An excellent review as always Richard, that’s really informative. Back in the 90’s I was tempted to have my BSA Supersport converted to Gas Ram but it never happened. I still like the concept of GR and this HW90K is top of the list should I get one 👍
I had a go with one of these in 22cal recently and was pleasantly surprised. They don't seem to be as popular as the 95K but as far as I could tell it was every bit as accurate, zero spring vibration (obviously) and the safety being resettable is a bonus. It's a nice looking rifle too. I imagine a gas ram is more prone to failure and more costly to replace than a coil spring, I could be wrong.
Had the he classic carbine,was one of the most beutifull rifles I ever owned ,the finish was sublime and accuracy was second to none.wish I still had it😯
Great review Richard,and a lovely rifle.Never considered a gas ram,but I’m very impressed with that and the group. Also congratulations on 1m views👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻😀Atvb
I have owned my hw90k since the late 90's. In .22. no screw thread moderator - just the weihrauch with the grub screw..never lost any pressure and shoots as goo as my PCP. Whenever I go to the range people comment on how quiet it is
Another good review Richard. Would love to see you do a review on the sirocco as I always wanted one back in the day. I also noticed the gun racks behind you. Have you got a link for them as I'm on the look out for 2. Thanks and keep up the good work
Hello ,is that a 16 joule rifle? i tested a time a diana 350 springer with a coil spring cocked for 3 months ,nota big change in the output , it was not a restricted gun. also build a full power webley patriot spring in the HW 90 for testing ,made a new end piece for it ,it was easy`r to cock and output the same .same as 30 pumps with the orginal hw pump. i think weihrauch does not have more gasrams ,because they both have there good points, i got the first gun from the serie hw 90 ,there where little problems ,they changed the gas ram from alu to steel . trigger systeem was changed and the dovetail was not with arrestor holes . i stil have one in .25 kal. its shoots smoother then the hw 80 .output also the same 30 joule .
My local air gun shop owner asked me to cock one of these in store the other day when I expressed an interest in it. but I couldn’t even get it half way down.. would you say cocking the HW90 becomes easier the more the gun is used? Or is it always incredibly tough to do even after years of use? You make cocking it look like a walk in the park 😅
Great review Richard, I want a gas ram and this could be the one! I would like to know if you could fit some sort of open sights set on one of these or any other rifle designed for a scope please. I have a hankering for 25yd target shooting au naturel so to speak! Cheers mate 👍
Hi. Thanks very much. The trouble is that most decent gas ram/spring powered rifles are set up to accept a scope in order to exploit their accuracy potential. Open sights tend to go on cheaper and less accurate rifles. That's not a hard rule but a generalisation. The exception is The Weihrauch HW77 which is an excellent and very accurate spring powered rifle but also comes with open sights. We reviewed it on the channel (with a scope) here: th-cam.com/video/UuTi2MjmL6w/w-d-xo.html I've not seen it done, but I'm sure a competent gunsmith could attach open sights for you. Though it might be cheaper, quicker and easier to go for an HW77.
Hi Richard, Thank you for your great review. My question is, am I likely to get any issues with loss of pressure in the gas ram unit? If there are any issues, can they be fettled with common sense and not having to trail to the local gunsmith? If I purchased this air rifle, I'd partly look at it as a Theoben, as Theoben assisted Weihrauch in the early days and I dont particularly want to buy a second hand Theoben rifle that I dont know how's been treated. I'm very particular with my belongings and I wouldnt want anything that hasnt been looked after. I hope youre well, Rich. Thank you, Ian.
Hi Ian - nice to hear from you. The gas ram on the HW90K is a Theoben unit and very reliable. I've not heard of one letting go, but if it did I'd imagine it would need some kind of specialist attention. I am very good thanks, hope you are too?
Hi Rich, I Hope you are keeping well! I am considering buying this air rifle. Would you think it a good idea to purchase the pump with it? Would I need it to top up the air pressure for different demands of the air rifle? Example, ratting at 15 yards, then pigeons in trees 30-40 yards away? I was thinking it may be handy to have, as if you don't have one, you'd be stuck with whatever air pressure you have. Is there a pressure gauge on the pump in terms of knowing how much pressure is in and not over filling the cylinder? Thank you, Rich, Ian.
Looks like a solid well engineered rig. I see checkering on the foregrip, the current photos I see online dont have this. Have they updated the look of the stock?
Thinking of adding a gas ram to my collection and I’ve always loved my Weihrauch’s but I’ve also been looking at a Diana 340 n-tec premium pro. What are your thoughts between the two, Stick to what I know or go for the Diana?
This is a connoiseurs gun, coming in different guises, with a silencer,modified at the end, the carbine version and bloody expensive. The two Theobens I am contemplating are the Theoben Eliminator in .22(which can be 28-30ft/lb and the original Weihrauch HW90 which is less powerful. I need the first choice to be target,not hunting, but they're the same price and I'm spoiled for choice?
Very good review. Back then I bought a Theoben Custom Euro from the factory. It's Theoben version the HW90, possibly a prototype. Anybody know anything about Custom Euro, it would be appreciated
Brilliant review (as always - learning so much through your channel!!) When you compare this to the BSA GRT Lightning XL SE, is the HW90K significantly better in terms of feel or is the BSA version able to hold its own? Was thinking of upgrading from my current Webley VMX 'springer' as find the resonance a problem, and like the look (and cost) of the BSA so appreciate your thoughts. The alternative is something like the HW77K though like the idea of the gas ram simply from a technology point of view.
Hi Arthur. Thanks for your very kind comments. The Lightning is a lovely rifle but I think the HW90K would get my heard earned. Its more expensive but pretty much the best gas ram money can buy right now (even if it is more £ than the BSA). Springers are pretty simple tech as well though and you wouldn't go wrong with an HW77K either. I've got a couple and reviewed one of them here in the channel. Thanks for watching...
@@airgunextra Just a quick update - I ended up with an HW95K as there was a great second-hand one available. Great rifle and again really appreciated your review of that gun. Think I shall still look to an HW90 in the longer run but loving the HW95 at the moment.
Hello. Nice review!! I own a HW 90 wich I bought in 2020 at Metura Gunshop in the Netherlands. Airguns from Weihrauch sold in Europe mainland are sold without moderator/ silencer. How come in UK Weihrauch airguns almost any time come with moderators?
Mine was horrible! It was inaccurate with every pellet I tried it with and it was a bunch! I adjusted the gas ram pressure to no avail nothing worked to get it accurate, it finally quit latching when you cocked it so now it sits and gathers dust! I mainly shoot My TX200'S now and break out the old R1 to keep My springer hold on point.
Sorry to hear that. I've had mine for years and it's never missed a beat. Did you buy it new? Did you return it to the gunshop you bought it from? From the sounds of it the latching problem would be an easy fix.
I bought it brand new from pyramid air guns about 5 years ago. I just gave up on it, 1st HW I ever had trouble with and I absolutely hate it. @@airgunextra
I have 2 questions : firstly what scope did you have mounted and do you know the optimum distance to target for this rifle @11.5ft/lbs with Air Arms field Diablo pellets in .22 before the trajectory starts to drop off ? Great review by the way…
Hi Campbell. I can't be sure but I think the scope was a Weihrauch model. In terms of optimum distance, if shooting at live quarry I'd say 40 metres in .177 and 30 in .22. If you're shooting at targets, you can push it out and try your luck to 100 metres or more. To stress the point though, if you're planning on hunting and pest control, the maximum distance is whatever you can hit a 10p coin 10 times out of 10 in whatever position you intend shooting from - only practice will tell you that. Hitting a target at 60 metres sat down behind a bench with a support having had a few shots to work out the wind speed and direction does not mean you can shoot squirrels or pigeons at the same distance standing up! Good luck.
Great reviews from you sir, can I ask, if you could keep only one weihrauch springer (including this gas ram in the selection) , what would be your choice? Thanks
Hi Stephen. Thanks very much. Personally it would be my mk1 HW80, but that's mainly because it was my first rifle (and one I still have). If it had to be a current model, I'd say an HW77K. How about you?
@@airgunextra Thanks for reply, I don't know truthfully as I haven't used many, I have a hw99s in .177 which is quite nice, looking at others now, and really don't know which way to go. Fancy a 22 as they're supposed to be a bit smoother firing cycle. Like the idea of a 77 but have never used an underlever, it's a high contender though, between the 95 and 80 people seem to rate both, forums are awful for making choices because everyone who's got one will recommend it and same for the other etc, I've got a couple of pcps also but I like the idea of a springer being suitable for hunting and want something really smooth to cock and fire and be a lifelong joy to own.
You make cocking that rifle look very easy, My HW90 is almost impossible to cock with one hand, I have to use both arms to cock mine (8.22 gr at 1043 fps or 20 fpe). What is the chamber pressure tuned to? Factory is 26 Bars, many people like 18 to 22 bars for easy cocking and better performance.
Hi Lincoln. The only difference between the 90 and the 90K is barrel length (and therefore overall length). In all other respects they are the same. The HW90 has a 500mm barrel. The HW90K has a 310mm barrel and is usually finished with a silencer.
Hi Jake. The FWB 124 / 127 is an excellent rifle. You can buy 12 ft/lbs Siroccos, but the majority of the ones I've seen (including my own) are FAC rated. I'm sure there are some FAC HW90Ks as well, but in the UK, most come in at close to the 12 ft/lbs limit.
Absolutely a nice shooting rifle but i would rather buy a HW80K. Way more reliable than that gas ram system, even when it is the best gas ram on the market i would prefer the HW95,98 or 80. Coil springs and piston seals are easy to replace and springs can easy be adjusted with washers to get as close as possible to the 12 foot pound.
I agree with karlos543. I have had one since 1992 and replaced the O rings and Schrader valve 3 years ago - just because, not because it had lost pressure. I thought that after nearly 30 years of use, the rings should be changed. It took about an hour to do. I used a generic RockShox monarch type air valve adapter tool on a high pressure bicycle shock pump to re-pressurize the gas ram to 18 bar. I had to wrap the thread with teflon tape to ensure a tight fight.
I resealed mine and took out the horrible inertia weight, shoots better, less recoil. Pumped it myself with a slimjim pump..be careful though, it's easy to take it over the limit.
I had one of these years ago, I had a pump for mine putting to much pressure in the cylinder caused me a lot of issues, it was very difficult to cock and knackered a few internal parts, it weighed a ton as well, moved it on shortly after.
@@chrisgreenwood271 should have kept it.. it's an incredible gun tuned to the right power. I've resealed mine,taken the inertia weight out and shoot rats every week. It's my most used reliable gun I have.
@@karlos543 I didn't miss it to be honest had a few others on the go, only one I kept was a Webley FX2000 PCP, bought in 2000 not used in years but brought of its retirement to sort some squirrels out, was still holding 50bar after 13 years of no use, started to leak air from the air valve when I tried to fill it, found the seal had gone hard over the years, changed it and it's back in action.
Hi. Much depends on your budget. As a general rule I always recommend a scope with adjustable parallax so you can focus on close targets. And ideally with parallax adjustment via a side wheel rather than a collar on the objective lens. This might help: th-cam.com/video/waOLuSpq8qw/w-d-xo.html
THIS COMPANY NEEDS TO DO A .22 Rreakbarrel with 25 to 30 pound feet like the Hatsan 125. IF EVERYONE DEMANDS IT! They'll do it! We need a quality break barrel that can take game accurately at 100 yards!
Hi. I'd say the HW90K is a little bit smoother yes. Probably the best gas ram on the market right now in my opinion. That's not to say the Lightning isn't a good rifle too, especially at the price, but I think the HW90K shades it. Thanks for watching.
Hi Tom. I'd stick to one of the main brands - Hawke has a scope for every specification and budget. Most of my springers have Hawkes on them. MTC is good too, but cost a little more. The main requirement is a scope with adjustable parallax. What kind of budget are you working with? And what kind of shooting?
I have the bt9 gas ram in my crossman. I believe its 60 kg Any chance you know whats the strongest one i can put thats crossman compatible? Will the gamo magnum fit it or maybe the benjamin trail xl ? I see one its the np2 214012 it claims 70kg. Can you confrim that would be stronger than my bt9??
@@airgunextra I am in india. The scopes available are Hawke, Made in China, and Leupold. These I am told these are not suitable due to the high recoil of HW 90. Is Nikko STERLING a good option. I can spend approx 300US$
@@mahiarhng Hi. I've not had any issues with Hawke scopes on recoiling rifles and to be honest, the recoil on an HW90 is not excessive. Most of the Hawke products are a great option for airguns - just make sure you get one that has adjustable parallax and is also short enough to not get in the way of the barrel when you break the action. This is a great product: uk.hawkeoptics.com/airmax-30-sf-compact-3-12x40-amx-ir.html In terms of mounts, I've never had an issue with Sportsmatch (assuming you can get them in India?). If you are concerned about the scope moving under recoil ('scope creep') you might also want to consider getting an arrestor block. Good luck!
At a prison outside of London.... 3 convicts sit around a table playing cards, 1st convict says: did I tell you mates I was in for murder? 5 years I got! 2nd convict says: Yeah? Double murder I done, 10 years I got! 3rd convict says: Ha, I got you both! I had an extra bar in me Hw90, 15 years I got! After a moment of silence, it was back to the cards......
Yes, I commented to someone its an incentive to buy the rifle if its stolen. Thats two so far, but all my air rifles,bows and crossbows were stolen from my home by Lancs. Police of all people. They did it without a warrant, like the Israeli raid on Entebbe airport with Mossad intelligence reports prompting them. I have to rebuild my collection again with nothing but the best, and this one will knock their socks off.
Hi I’m totally new to this and wish to take up target shooting. My dad passed away and this is something we used to do when I was very young. I’m well versed in where and where not to shoot as I do the odd bit of archery. However I want the best quality gas ram rifle that “dose not require” any fire arms certificate. Any recommendations
@@airgunextra ty for your sentiments but we are adapting to our new situation covid 19 is a bastard. The reviewed rifle looks nice I looked on line is there a difference between a hw90k and a hw90 or are they the same. Also do they require a licence of can you buy them for sensible use
In the late 80s I purchased the theoben grand prix the blueing and woodwork was exquisite but the little darling smashed every scope i put on it yes the quality Japanese tascos plus one optima 3 x9x56 yes I'm old. the weihrauch 90 is a lump that's its problem but crosman premier in the 90s made a massive leap forward their pellets they sold in the box i remember paying £18 for 625 matched with the hw90 hunting was taken to a new level
@@airgunextra yes I'm afraid it was the moonlighter if my memory serves me right it was about £120 theoben kept very quite about there guns killing scopes and the airgun magazines to their shame never mentioned it they wanted the advertising revenue I'm sure the damper mounts were designed to sort the problem never trusted theoben after that
Hi, Good morning brother.... I'm from Indonesia, I have one unit HW 90K gas ram Theoben. I'm sorry,Can I ask you? What's the mean is gas ram system.? Can you give me 3D video mechanism of gas ram. Sorry I'm newcomer use the spring coil airgun. Thanks you very much to yrs collaboration. 🙏🙏🙏 Yulianto.
Hi Yulianto. I'm afraid I don't have a video showing how a gas ram works. It's quite simple really. With a spring powered rifle a mainspring is compressed when you break the barrel and cock the rifle. When you you pull the trigger the spring expands again and pushes the air in front of it to propel the pellet. With a gas ram, the spring is replaced by a chamber of air. So when you break the barrel and cock the rifle you compress the air (instead of a spring). When the trigger is release, the air expands again and propels the pellet. I hope that helps.
@@airgunextra It is the most accurate air rifle in the world. Superb in fact. Also gas ram. About 700 EUR. About 14-15 ft/lb fantastic, easy cocking effort and I've seen it for sale in the UK as FAC. You'd have a hard time not encountering this US made air rifle by Sig Sauer. You must have a certificate somewhere, I assume.
I don’t get why you’d want an HW90 if you’re restricted to 12 fpe. It’s like buying a Ferrari but with a Honda four cylinder engine or a Barrett .50 cal chambered in .223
Well it's just something different. We all get bored and want to try something new or of a different design, right? Limeys are permitted to have a +12fpe rifle if they have a license. (And many do). We Americans also tend to hit the same "legal" wall in regards to toys. For example, why would someone want a semi auto Browning BAR or M2? Yet I see them around........Alot of the joy in the Hw90 is that it's a gas ram with unique properties and you can experiment with it too good success even at lower FPE levels.
In cold weather gas and air get weaker than springers in really cold a lot weaker. I've tested some.gas ram and springers. C02 really decreases in mass with cold weather just test with your car tires. On a warm day fill your tires to required amount if it gets really cold it will show less pressure.
I was shooting with mine last week next to a frozen lake it was that cold and no power loss on mine, hitting 70meter target easily every time, chronographed the power and was shooting at 11.6ftlbs like it has been for 30 years! There is 305psi pressure in the ram, alot more pressure than a car tyre, but Co2 guns do lose a lot of power when cold.
I have one of these rifles. I don't like it. It began to discharge without my finger being on the trigger. The casette type trigger unit is not very good by way of design. I find it hard to cock, and very heavy. I've been shooting air rifles for over 66 yrs.. I'm 76. I have always owned and respected wiehrauch, but not this gun.
@@airgunextra Hello, yes I have adjusted the trigger, and it seems OK, I was wondering, because of the hot weather, if the sears ore something had expanded causing them not to engage properly, because it seemed OK up until the heatwave. I don't know, just guessing.
Why do you keep putting targets out at different ranges!!. Should all be 30 metres as easier for us idiots to tell the difference between different gun lol!!. 20 metres is not much of a challenge to any gun really!.
Hi Steve. Sorry about that. I shoot lots of squirrels, rats and pigeons at 20 metres so it seems a fair test to me. In fact, I only ever test 12 ft lbs rifles at 20 or 30 metres.
@@airgunextra love the show and many thanks!. Just meant be easier to make a judgement between 2 rifles if they are tested at the same range 30m would make things fairer ìs all. Keep up the good work and many thanks for putting the work in!!.
Hi Dave. Yes, as I suspect you have probably worked out, the reference to the HW95K was a slip of the tongue. I hope it didn't ruin the video for you. If you'd like to know more about the HW95K please check out our review of it: th-cam.com/video/_mOZJ6jzMiI/w-d-xo.html
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The HW90K was the best break barrel I've ever owned. Fantastic gun 👍🏻
A tuned hw98 takes some beating but I'm really interested in the gasram ....is it quieter than a spring ? and how quiet is it with a silencer ?... cheers 🍻
All these HW air rifles are just to fall in love with. Nice product presentation!!!
Thanks very much.
Nice review. I've had an HW90 .22 for around three years from new. It's an incredibly well engineered rifle. Power dropped to around 8.5 fpe so I had my local gunsmith replace the valve for a new one and refill the cylinder. Back up to 11.5 fpe. The rifle is consistently accurate and the drop off of power is barely noticable over time so it's worth running it through the chronograph every few months to stay at the optimum. Worth noting is the lock to pull time with the HW90, it is very quick and the trigger is as good as many that are claimed to be better. Needless to say that I won't be selling this one of mine. It really is superb.
love to see a review of the Theoben Richard. I went to the Scottish game fair last year with the intention of buying a new rifle, my brother in law said don't bother i've got one you can have. WOW a Scirocco, sub 12 with less than a tin of pellets through it from new. What a gun!!
Bought one many years ago when they first came out, I'm left handed with a weak left eye but I still managed to achieve amazing accuracy with this fantastic bit of kit. Heavy but still fantastic 👍
Richard is a icon in the airgun industry. Whom is highly respected, brilliant review. I would love to add this one to my collection. Thank you for sharing… Cheers Tom LI NY
Gosh - thanks Tom. I'm just a bloke who loves his air rifles. But thanks for the sentiment... And yes, you need an HW90K!
I had one for about a week. This is an old school gas ram design from way before the gas rams of today. The idea of being able to adjust the ram pressure was cool. German built was cool. THe trigger was good. In it's day this was a magnum break barrel but today their more mid level putting out about 20 FPE. It broke my Center point scope that has been on my Hatsan 125 Sniper in about 5 shots. It's got a horrendous shot cycle. This was going to be my dream setup and I ordered the barrel and parts to swap it to .20 cal. I sent it back along with the extra barrel. The finish on the stock wasn't what I would expect from around a 600.00 German spring either and was the final straw that made me return it. The butt stock and buttplate was rough with gaps inbetween. I shoot and collect and keep every gun in pristine condition for resale some day and this already came with flaws that would ding the value. Love my HW97K in blue lament. As far as power and gas rams I have a Gamo Hunter Extreme Pro I bought on sale new from GAMO USA for just under 200.00 in .22 that is an amazing shooter at 27-30 FPE with a select beech stock that sits proudly among my German springers.
Congratulations on reaching that fantastic milestone, a testament to your Brilliant reviews 👏 well done.
Thanks very much Gary. Very kind of you to say so...
Great review as ever Rich and a good group too. 👍
Would love to see a review of the Sirocco. Like you that was on the childhood dream list!
Thanks Jonny. Let me know when you're next at the club and I'll bring it down...
Yet again another great video Richard, can’t wait for the next one👍
Thanks Carl Watch this space!
Lovely looking rifle and accurate. I just might add a gas ram to my collection.
Very capable and value for money rifle. Enjoyed watching you put it through its paces.
Another great review Richard. Many congratulations on your millionth view, a fantastic achievement! The HW90 is a very attractive, and appealing rifle. As for your Sirocco though, wow!! What a beautiful gun. Very best wishes.
Thanks very much. Getting that Sirocco was a long held ambition reliased. Thanks for the kind words and your support.
If Top Gear reviewed cars like you do air rifles they would still be running. Always to the point and informative, thanks.
😂 That's very kind. I wish was paid the same as Clarkson, Hammond and May! Thanks for watching.
I was another one who lusted after a Theoben. I did get a Feinwerbau Sport Mk2 124 in the early 80's, I bought it out of the Freemans catalogue :). I currently have 2 springers, an early HW99s and HW97k Silverhawk. They are both in .177 and a HW90 would round off this little collection nicely. I also have an Airtech converted BSA R10se and a highly modified SMK 78. Nice review. I have found the new BSA range of pellets work very well in my HW's
Thanks very much. I just picked an FWB124 mk2 myself. Beautifully made rifles...Thanks for watching.
I had the HW77k and was more than happy with it, then went to Air Arms EX88 which I found almost as good for accuracy, I did want the HW90 but lost the area I used to shoot at.
Freemans catalogue, brilliant. Guns and lovely Ladys. A FREEMANS ! catalogue, lol. Kays was good also. Get it on the "weekly" never never. A bloke would call, you paid CASH !!, and he would sign your payment book. It worked.
Hi Richard,
Thank you for another great, indepth review. I especially liked your close up shots of the gun and of the trigger mechanism.
Thank you also for showing us your Theoben gas ram in the initial stages.
I have to agree, I adored those air rifles back then too, though owning one was completely out of the question.
Up until now, I've never really taken the modern gas rams on board as I presumed they'd be prone to problems and would spend more time in the gunsmiths than out.
Watching your review with the rifle straight in front, made my knees go weak. What a gorgeous looking air rifle. It looks fantastic. I have quality springers, though not one of these.
I'm sure youll agree, if Weihaurch are making them, theyll be quality.
I havent time to shoot and enjoy the rifles I have, let alone buy another.
I missed the boat with Theoben. By the time I could afford their sublime quality kit, they were long gone, bless them. That was a great loss, with respect to RAW now.
I would see this rifle as the modern equivalent and would definately think of it as half Theoben and fantastic quality and engineering. So proud, like BSA, Air Arms and Theoben, they were all british with fantastic design and quality.
Best wishes, R.
Thanks Ian. Theoben rifles were ahead of their time for sure. I just picked up a Theoben Eliminator which at 22 ft/lbs is a real thunderbolt! I hope you are keeping well? Rich.
@alphamilitaria2756 Hi Rich, Yes, keeping well, thank you, and I hope you are too. Thank you for a great, informative reply. Take care!
This thing looks incredible
I owned a cheap Nova Vista gas ram a few years ago.
It’s action was sooo smooth.
I think a HW90 needs to be in my collection at some point.
Great review 👍
Thanks very much. Certainly a great rifle and I don't think there are any other better gas rams on sale right now. Thanks for watching and you're continued support.
Great review. Biggest mistake I ever made was selling my 90k. Definitely getting another one soon
Thanks very much. I still believe the HW90k is the best gas ram you can buy right now...Thanks for watching.
Christ Richard, that was a cracking group you threw together! 😮 Great video, if I'm ever in the market for a rammer this is the one 👌
Thanks. I surprised myself! You could do a lot worse than an HW90k. Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra do you hold a gas ram like a springer? I don't use strict artillery hold myself but is it the same deal with the recoil forces and so on?
@@OffGridMadMan Hi. Yes, at least I do!
Great video , I just bought a HW80 .25 no twang at all.
Thanks Lewis. Yes, the HW80 is a great rifle. I still have mine from when I was a kid. Still shoots great as well! Thanks for watching.
How is it in .25? I assume it's FAC rated?
Thanks for a great review. Beautiful looking rifle
Thanks for watching. And no argument here!
Great review, I’ve owned my HW 90 for decades and shot many critters with it, it’s like a faithful old spaniel!
I'm not surprised Chris. Great rifle. Thanks for watching!
Very nice and did u get sometimes problem with gasram nitron piston?? I heard about sometimes brome of theoben gasram
I bought a HW 90, back in the late 80s which was superb, however cocking the long barrel of the HW 90 was sometimes tricky when shooting in the field or confined spaces.So I bought a carbine barrel and had it fitted.This solved the cocking issues, but it never quite compared to the long barrel for accuracy.Just part exchanged it for the HW 100…….gone modern 😁
Will Pierce: HW90: I Best go to gun going.Will out live your HW 100
Great review Rich, thanks. And congrats on the 1 million plus views, excellent achievement.
Thanks very much John. See you Saturday?
@@airgunextra My pleasure Rich, hopefully see you on Saturday, bit under the weather at the moment.
Very nice review! Better than most I've seen.
Nice to see the Sirocco Richard, a rifle I always wanted but life and the expense of two kids said Noo! I did manage a 77k though 😁 A great review of a classic Air Rifle 👍
Hi David. TH HW77K is a classic too! Thanks for watching.
I loved mine in. 22.
Sadly had it stolen and never replaced it. A few folks say they aren't as good as a hw 80 or 95 as the trigger isnt the Rekord unit.
If its worth stealing, it gives me additional incentive to buy one. Besides it 600 EUR full power price, Theoben gas ram, Weihrauch name, the rifle of a conoisseur.
An excellent review as always Richard, that’s really informative.
Back in the 90’s I was tempted to have my BSA Supersport converted to Gas Ram but it never happened. I still like the concept of GR and this HW90K is top of the list should I get one 👍
I had a go with one of these in 22cal recently and was pleasantly surprised. They don't seem to be as popular as the 95K but as far as I could tell it was every bit as accurate, zero spring vibration (obviously) and the safety being resettable is a bonus. It's a nice looking rifle too. I imagine a gas ram is more prone to failure and more costly to replace than a coil spring, I could be wrong.
@Air cooled Interesting, thanks.
Had the he classic carbine,was one of the most beutifull rifles I ever owned ,the finish was sublime and accuracy was second to none.wish I still had it😯
Ha ha! We've all been there Samantha!
Your gonna end up costing me a fortune , great rifle , and equally good video ..
Thanks Mark, And sorry about that!
Great review Richard,and a lovely rifle.Never considered a gas ram,but I’m very impressed with that and the group.
Also congratulations on 1m views👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻😀Atvb
Thanks Justin. The HW90K is well worth a look.
Excellent review as always. 👍👀🇬🇧
Thanks Philip. Very nice of you to say so...
Had one ten years back 10/10
Id love to see that vs the bsa lightening at 35yards
The best hunting rifle I've ever had 😎👍
I have owned my hw90k since the late 90's. In .22. no screw thread moderator - just the weihrauch with the grub screw..never lost any pressure and shoots as goo as my PCP. Whenever I go to the range people comment on how quiet it is
Owned my 90k for 30 years absolute beast. Only rifle I’ve had better was a webley eclipse with ox power spring for extra power.
That theoben is stunning....always wanted one
You know you have to have one!
Another good review Richard. Would love to see you do a review on the sirocco as I always wanted one back in the day. I also noticed the gun racks behind you. Have you got a link for them as I'm on the look out for 2. Thanks and keep up the good work
Thanks Roy. The racks came from gunracks.co.uk. Great products, nice guys and very reasonably priced...
@@airgunextra Thanks Richard. Keep up the good work and take care
Hello ,is that a 16 joule rifle?
i tested a time a diana 350 springer with a coil spring cocked for 3 months ,nota big change in the output , it was not a restricted gun. also build a full power webley patriot spring in the HW 90 for testing ,made a new end piece for it ,it was easy`r to cock and output the same .same as 30 pumps with the orginal hw pump.
i think weihrauch does not have more gasrams ,because they both have there good points,
i got the first gun from the serie hw 90 ,there where little problems ,they changed the gas ram from alu to steel . trigger systeem was changed and the dovetail was not with arrestor holes . i stil have one in .25 kal.
its shoots smoother then the hw 80 .output also the same 30 joule .
My local air gun shop owner asked me to cock one of these in store the other day when I expressed an interest in it. but I couldn’t even get it half way down..
would you say cocking the HW90 becomes easier the more the gun is used? Or is it always incredibly tough to do even after years of use?
You make cocking it look like a walk in the park 😅
Great review Richard, I want a gas ram and this could be the one! I would like to know if you could fit some sort of open sights set on one of these or any other rifle designed for a scope please. I have a hankering for 25yd target shooting au naturel so to speak! Cheers mate 👍
Hi. Thanks very much. The trouble is that most decent gas ram/spring powered rifles are set up to accept a scope in order to exploit their accuracy potential. Open sights tend to go on cheaper and less accurate rifles. That's not a hard rule but a generalisation. The exception is The Weihrauch HW77 which is an excellent and very accurate spring powered rifle but also comes with open sights. We reviewed it on the channel (with a scope) here: th-cam.com/video/UuTi2MjmL6w/w-d-xo.html
I've not seen it done, but I'm sure a competent gunsmith could attach open sights for you. Though it might be cheaper, quicker and easier to go for an HW77.
Good review
Thanks Tyson.
excellent video again Richard and boy does she sound like a rim fire going off.... what a crack lol
Thanks Steve.
Hi Richard,
Thank you for your great review. My question is, am I likely to get any issues with loss of pressure in the gas ram unit? If there are any issues, can they be fettled with common sense and not having to trail to the local gunsmith?
If I purchased this air rifle, I'd partly look at it as a Theoben, as Theoben assisted Weihrauch in the early days and I dont particularly want to buy a second hand Theoben rifle that I dont know how's been treated. I'm very particular with my belongings and I wouldnt want anything that hasnt been looked after.
I hope youre well, Rich.
Thank you, Ian.
Hi Ian - nice to hear from you. The gas ram on the HW90K is a Theoben unit and very reliable. I've not heard of one letting go, but if it did I'd imagine it would need some kind of specialist attention. I am very good thanks, hope you are too?
Hi Rich,
I Hope you are keeping well!
I am considering buying this air rifle. Would you think it a good idea to purchase the pump with it?
Would I need it to top up the air pressure for different demands of the air rifle? Example, ratting at 15 yards, then pigeons in trees 30-40 yards away?
I was thinking it may be handy to have, as if you don't have one, you'd be stuck with whatever air pressure you have.
Is there a pressure gauge on the pump in terms of knowing how much pressure is in and not over filling the cylinder?
Thank you, Rich, Ian.
Looks like a solid well engineered rig. I see checkering on the foregrip, the current photos I see online dont have this. Have they updated the look of the stock?
I believe some chequering on the forend has been added, but I'm afraid I couldn't tell you when. Thanks for watching.
Thinking of adding a gas ram to my collection and I’ve always loved my Weihrauch’s but I’ve also been looking at a Diana 340 n-tec premium pro. What are your thoughts between the two, Stick to what I know or go for the Diana?
Hi Jonathan. The Diana is a lovely rifle, but I think the HW90K has the edge...Thanks for watching,
This is a connoiseurs gun, coming in different guises, with a silencer,modified at the end, the carbine version and bloody expensive. The two Theobens I am contemplating are the Theoben Eliminator in .22(which can be 28-30ft/lb and the original Weihrauch HW90 which is less powerful. I need the first choice to be target,not hunting, but they're the same price and I'm spoiled for choice?
Nice piece of wood 👍🏻
Very good review. Back then I bought a Theoben Custom Euro from the factory. It's Theoben version the HW90, possibly a prototype. Anybody know anything about Custom Euro, it would be appreciated
Brilliant review (as always - learning so much through your channel!!)
When you compare this to the BSA GRT Lightning XL SE, is the HW90K significantly better in terms of feel or is the BSA version able to hold its own? Was thinking of upgrading from my current Webley VMX 'springer' as find the resonance a problem, and like the look (and cost) of the BSA so appreciate your thoughts. The alternative is something like the HW77K though like the idea of the gas ram simply from a technology point of view.
Hi Arthur. Thanks for your very kind comments. The Lightning is a lovely rifle but I think the HW90K would get my heard earned. Its more expensive but pretty much the best gas ram money can buy right now (even if it is more £ than the BSA). Springers are pretty simple tech as well though and you wouldn't go wrong with an HW77K either. I've got a couple and reviewed one of them here in the channel. Thanks for watching...
@@airgunextra Just a quick update - I ended up with an HW95K as there was a great second-hand one available. Great rifle and again really appreciated your review of that gun. Think I shall still look to an HW90 in the longer run but loving the HW95 at the moment.
Hello. Nice review!! I own a HW 90 wich I bought in 2020 at Metura Gunshop in the Netherlands. Airguns from Weihrauch sold in Europe mainland are sold without moderator/ silencer. How come in UK Weihrauch airguns almost any time come with moderators?
Hi Dirk. I believe it has something to do with local laws and deals that distributors agree with Weihrauch. Nice rifle either way though!
Mine was horrible! It was inaccurate with every pellet I tried it with and it was a bunch! I adjusted the gas ram pressure to no avail nothing worked to get it accurate, it finally quit latching when you cocked it so now it sits and gathers dust! I mainly shoot My TX200'S now and break out the old R1 to keep My springer hold on point.
Sorry to hear that. I've had mine for years and it's never missed a beat. Did you buy it new? Did you return it to the gunshop you bought it from? From the sounds of it the latching problem would be an easy fix.
I bought it brand new from pyramid air guns about 5 years ago. I just gave up on it, 1st HW I ever had trouble with and I absolutely hate it. @@airgunextra
I have 2 questions : firstly what scope did you have mounted and do you know the optimum distance to target for this rifle @11.5ft/lbs with Air Arms field Diablo pellets in .22 before the trajectory starts to drop off ? Great review by the way…
Hi Campbell. I can't be sure but I think the scope was a Weihrauch model. In terms of optimum distance, if shooting at live quarry I'd say 40 metres in .177 and 30 in .22. If you're shooting at targets, you can push it out and try your luck to 100 metres or more. To stress the point though, if you're planning on hunting and pest control, the maximum distance is whatever you can hit a 10p coin 10 times out of 10 in whatever position you intend shooting from - only practice will tell you that. Hitting a target at 60 metres sat down behind a bench with a support having had a few shots to work out the wind speed and direction does not mean you can shoot squirrels or pigeons at the same distance standing up! Good luck.
Great reviews from you sir, can I ask, if you could keep only one weihrauch springer (including this gas ram in the selection) , what would be your choice? Thanks
Hi Stephen. Thanks very much. Personally it would be my mk1 HW80, but that's mainly because it was my first rifle (and one I still have). If it had to be a current model, I'd say an HW77K. How about you?
@@airgunextra Thanks for reply, I don't know truthfully as I haven't used many, I have a hw99s in .177 which is quite nice, looking at others now, and really don't know which way to go. Fancy a 22 as they're supposed to be a bit smoother firing cycle. Like the idea of a 77 but have never used an underlever, it's a high contender though, between the 95 and 80 people seem to rate both, forums are awful for making choices because everyone who's got one will recommend it and same for the other etc, I've got a couple of pcps also but I like the idea of a springer being suitable for hunting and want something really smooth to cock and fire and be a lifelong joy to own.
Pulled the trigger on a 2nd hand hw95 in .22 so looking forward to that one coming. Watched your review on that one too!!
Just picked up an early 2000 90k in .20 so i think it will be a fun little gun. I've missed gas ram after selling my Fenman and Evolution.
Good choice!
You make cocking that rifle look very easy, My HW90 is almost impossible to cock with one hand, I have to use both arms to cock mine (8.22 gr at 1043 fps or 20 fpe). What is the chamber pressure tuned to? Factory is 26 Bars, many people like 18 to 22 bars for easy cocking and better performance.
Hi Steve. The rifle in the review was UK legal limit 12 ft lbs.
Thanks for the video and information. Do you know if there is a difference between the HW90 and HW90K? So far I'm only able to locate the HW90 online.
Hi Lincoln. The only difference between the 90 and the 90K is barrel length (and therefore overall length). In all other respects they are the same. The HW90 has a 500mm barrel. The HW90K has a 310mm barrel and is usually finished with a silencer.
@@airgunextra thanks for the info!
Your Theoben is beautiful!
Thanks David - it took a lot if finding but worth the wait.
I too wanted a theoben scrroco back in the day; but I just settled on my fwb 124. Is the HW 90 more powerful than the theoben scrrocco??
Hi Jake. The FWB 124 / 127 is an excellent rifle. You can buy 12 ft/lbs Siroccos, but the majority of the ones I've seen (including my own) are FAC rated. I'm sure there are some FAC HW90Ks as well, but in the UK, most come in at close to the 12 ft/lbs limit.
The early 90k’s had a shorter stroke allowing the breech to be fully exposed.
Absolutely a nice shooting rifle but i would rather buy a HW80K. Way more reliable than that gas ram system, even when it is the best gas ram on the market i would prefer the HW95,98 or 80. Coil springs and piston seals are easy to replace and springs can easy be adjusted with washers to get as close as possible to the 12 foot pound.
Rapalaron: Trust me, I changed o'rings once in 30 years on HW90, first rings were ok. Never had a problem.
I agree with karlos543. I have had one since 1992 and replaced the O rings and Schrader valve 3 years ago - just because, not because it had lost pressure. I thought that after nearly 30 years of use, the rings should be changed. It took about an hour to do. I used a generic RockShox monarch type air valve adapter tool on a high pressure bicycle shock pump to re-pressurize the gas ram to 18 bar. I had to wrap the thread with teflon tape to ensure a tight fight.
I resealed mine and took out the horrible inertia weight, shoots better, less recoil. Pumped it myself with a slimjim pump..be careful though, it's easy to take it over the limit.
I had one of these years ago, I had a pump for mine putting to much pressure in the cylinder caused me a lot of issues, it was very difficult to cock and knackered a few internal parts, it weighed a ton as well, moved it on shortly after.
@@chrisgreenwood271 should have kept it.. it's an incredible gun tuned to the right power. I've resealed mine,taken the inertia weight out and shoot rats every week. It's my most used reliable gun I have.
@@karlos543 I didn't miss it to be honest had a few others on the go, only one I kept was a Webley FX2000 PCP, bought in 2000 not used in years but brought of its retirement to sort some squirrels out, was still holding 50bar after 13 years of no use, started to leak air from the air valve when I tried to fill it, found the seal had gone hard over the years, changed it and it's back in action.
When you squeez the trigger not pull that's for shot guns a beautiful rifle and it could be my next rifle
Hi Sir
Which is the best scope and mounts you would recommend for a HW 90, I own one
Hi. Much depends on your budget. As a general rule I always recommend a scope with adjustable parallax so you can focus on close targets. And ideally with parallax adjustment via a side wheel rather than a collar on the objective lens. This might help: th-cam.com/video/waOLuSpq8qw/w-d-xo.html
THIS COMPANY NEEDS TO DO A .22 Rreakbarrel with 25 to 30 pound feet like the Hatsan 125. IF EVERYONE DEMANDS IT! They'll do it! We need a quality break barrel that can take game accurately at 100 yards!
Hi did you notice any more recoil on this rifle over the lightning grt?
Hi. I'd say the HW90K is a little bit smoother yes. Probably the best gas ram on the market right now in my opinion. That's not to say the Lightning isn't a good rifle too, especially at the price, but I think the HW90K shades it. Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra Thank you
Can you recommend a good scope for a spring air rifle please
Hi Tom. I'd stick to one of the main brands - Hawke has a scope for every specification and budget. Most of my springers have Hawkes on them. MTC is good too, but cost a little more. The main requirement is a scope with adjustable parallax. What kind of budget are you working with? And what kind of shooting?
Shame it hasn't got the slimline lighter stock same as the HW57.
Out of interest what was the scope Richard?
Hi Damian. It was a Weihrauch scope that came with the review rifle. Sorry I can't tell you the model, but it was pretty good....
Is the trigger guard/safety metal? Is there any plastic on the gun?
All metal John...
@@airgunextra thank you for the reply. I have been looking for a all metal/ wood air rifle.
I have the bt9 gas ram in my crossman. I believe its 60 kg Any chance you know whats the strongest one i can put thats crossman compatible? Will the gamo magnum fit it or maybe the benjamin trail xl ? I see one its the np2 214012 it claims 70kg. Can you confrim that would be stronger than my bt9??
Hi Tavis. I'm afraid I can't. Have you contacted Crosman? I'm sure they'd be able to help...Good luck.
Why not an under lever?
They say gas ram is better then the springer but why do they only make 1 I'll stick to the springer
Do 'they' say that? I'm not sure I've ever heard it said to be honest...
I have a HW 90 in .22 calibre, which is the best scope and mounts for this Air Rifle
Hi. What's your budget?
@@airgunextra I am in india. The scopes available are Hawke, Made in China, and Leupold. These I am told these are not suitable due to the high recoil of HW 90.
Is Nikko STERLING a good option.
I can spend approx 300US$
@@mahiarhng Hi. I've not had any issues with Hawke scopes on recoiling rifles and to be honest, the recoil on an HW90 is not excessive. Most of the Hawke products are a great option for airguns - just make sure you get one that has adjustable parallax and is also short enough to not get in the way of the barrel when you break the action. This is a great product: uk.hawkeoptics.com/airmax-30-sf-compact-3-12x40-amx-ir.html
In terms of mounts, I've never had an issue with Sportsmatch (assuming you can get them in India?). If you are concerned about the scope moving under recoil ('scope creep') you might also want to consider getting an arrestor block.
Good luck!
At a prison outside of London....
3 convicts sit around a table playing cards,
1st convict says: did I tell you mates I was in for murder? 5 years I got!
2nd convict says: Yeah? Double murder I done, 10 years I got!
3rd convict says: Ha, I got you both! I had an extra bar in me Hw90, 15 years I got!
After a moment of silence, it was back to the cards......
😂
Had a 90 when they first came out and really liked it for the 6 months I had it until some scumbag nicked it .
Yes, I commented to someone its an incentive to buy the rifle if its stolen. Thats two so far, but all my air rifles,bows and crossbows were stolen from my home by Lancs. Police of all people. They did it without a warrant, like the Israeli raid on Entebbe airport with Mossad intelligence reports prompting them. I have to rebuild my collection again with nothing but the best, and this one will knock their socks off.
BSA can say what they like the lighting is not in the same League as the 90
Hi I’m totally new to this and wish to take up target shooting.
My dad passed away and this is something we used to do when I was very young.
I’m well versed in where and where not to shoot as I do the odd bit of archery.
However I want the best quality gas ram rifle that “dose not require” any fire arms certificate.
Any recommendations
Sorry to hear about your dad. The best gas ram on sale right now, in my opinion, is the HW90K.
@@airgunextra ty for your sentiments but we are adapting to our new situation covid 19 is a bastard.
The reviewed rifle looks nice I looked on line is there a difference between a hw90k and a hw90 or are they the same. Also do they require a licence of can you buy them for sensible use
Type of barrel please!!
I believe Weihrauch make their own. Is that what you mean Les?
In the late 80s I purchased the theoben grand prix the blueing and woodwork was exquisite but the little darling smashed every scope i put on it yes the quality Japanese tascos plus one optima 3 x9x56 yes I'm old. the weihrauch 90 is a lump that's its problem but crosman premier in the 90s made a massive leap forward their pellets they sold in the box i remember paying £18 for 625 matched with the hw90 hunting was taken to a new level
Was that the Super Mooonlighter? Now there's a scope. Wish I could get my hands on one now! Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra yes I'm afraid it was the moonlighter if my memory serves me right it was about £120 theoben kept very quite about there guns killing scopes and the airgun magazines to their shame never mentioned it they wanted the advertising revenue I'm sure the damper mounts were designed to sort the problem never trusted theoben after that
Hi, Good morning brother....
I'm from Indonesia, I have one unit HW 90K gas ram Theoben.
I'm sorry,Can I ask you? What's the mean is gas ram system.?
Can you give me 3D video mechanism of gas ram. Sorry I'm newcomer use the spring coil airgun.
Thanks you very much to yrs collaboration. 🙏🙏🙏
Yulianto.
Hi Yulianto. I'm afraid I don't have a video showing how a gas ram works. It's quite simple really. With a spring powered rifle a mainspring is compressed when you break the barrel and cock the rifle. When you you pull the trigger the spring expands again and pushes the air in front of it to propel the pellet. With a gas ram, the spring is replaced by a chamber of air. So when you break the barrel and cock the rifle you compress the air (instead of a spring). When the trigger is release, the air expands again and propels the pellet. I hope that helps.
Oow, I think this is like hill pump mechanism for PCP.
Ok, brother I Understod.
Thanks you very much. 🙏🙏👍👍
How much fps on the hw90?
The rifle I reviewed was putting out 11.4 ft/lbs which equates to just over 780fps with 8.4 grain pellets. Thanks for watching.
You can't go wrong with a weihrauch in my opinion....they tend to do exactly what they say on the tin.
Thought about buying one, but I chose to biy a firearm pistol instead !
Chronograph in the future 😒, thanks
Its all there friend. 16:57 '11.4 ft lbs'. With .177 AA DF pellets at 8.4 gns that equates to an average of 782 fps.
The sig asp20 will do the same
Hmmmn.
@@airgunextra It is the most accurate air rifle in the world. Superb in fact. Also gas ram. About 700 EUR. About 14-15 ft/lb fantastic, easy cocking effort and I've seen it for sale in the UK as FAC. You'd have a hard time not encountering this US made air rifle by Sig Sauer. You must have a certificate somewhere, I assume.
I don’t get why you’d want an HW90 if you’re restricted to 12 fpe. It’s like buying a Ferrari but with a Honda four cylinder engine or a Barrett .50 cal chambered in .223
If you come from the USA I'm really not surprised that you don't understand. Thanks for watching anyway.
Well it's just something different. We all get bored and want to try something new or of a different design, right? Limeys are permitted to have a +12fpe rifle if they have a license. (And many do). We Americans also tend to hit the same "legal" wall in regards to toys. For example, why would someone want a semi auto Browning BAR or M2? Yet I see them around........Alot of the joy in the Hw90 is that it's a gas ram with unique properties and you can experiment with it too good success even at lower FPE levels.
Nice rifle.
Totally agree!
In cold weather gas and air get weaker than springers in really cold a lot weaker. I've tested some.gas ram and springers. C02 really decreases in mass with cold weather just test with your car tires. On a warm day fill your tires to required amount if it gets really cold it will show less pressure.
I was shooting with mine last week next to a frozen lake it was that cold and no power loss on mine, hitting 70meter target easily every time, chronographed the power and was shooting at 11.6ftlbs like it has been for 30 years! There is 305psi pressure in the ram, alot more pressure than a car tyre, but Co2 guns do lose a lot of power when cold.
I can't honestly say I've found that Jose, but I don't shoot the Theoben often enough to say for sure...Thanks for watching.
I have one of these rifles. I don't like it. It began to discharge without my finger being on the trigger. The casette type trigger unit is not very good by way of design. I find it hard to cock, and very heavy. I've been shooting air rifles for over 66 yrs.. I'm 76. I have always owned and respected wiehrauch, but not this gun.
Hi John. Did you try adjusting the trigger? Set too light they can go off on their own. Just make it a little heavier and you should be fine.
@@airgunextra Hello, yes I have adjusted the trigger, and it seems OK, I was wondering, because of the hot weather, if the sears ore something had expanded causing them not to engage properly, because it seemed OK up until the heatwave. I don't know, just guessing.
Its a german rifle says it all superior some would say
You've got me thinking you're not the real Winston Churchill.
Guys please don’t ever de cock any other gas ram
Not all do this de cock system
Why do you keep putting targets out at different ranges!!. Should all be 30 metres as easier for us idiots to tell the difference between different gun lol!!. 20 metres is not much of a challenge to any gun really!.
Hi Steve. Sorry about that. I shoot lots of squirrels, rats and pigeons at 20 metres so it seems a fair test to me. In fact, I only ever test 12 ft lbs rifles at 20 or 30 metres.
@@airgunextra love the show and many thanks!. Just meant be easier to make a judgement between 2 rifles if they are tested at the same range 30m would make things fairer ìs all. Keep up the good work and many thanks for putting the work in!!.
It isn't good accuracy on 20 meters.
Based on watching this video, or you're own experience? I've used the HW90k to shoot rabbits out to 30 metres with no problems at all.
@@airgunextra Based on watching this video it isn't good group.
You mentioned HW90k then you Quoted HW 95 k was this an error
Hi Dave. Yes, as I suspect you have probably worked out, the reference to the HW95K was a slip of the tongue. I hope it didn't ruin the video for you. If you'd like to know more about the HW95K please check out our review of it: th-cam.com/video/_mOZJ6jzMiI/w-d-xo.html