Shut the water off at the street, went slow and steady removing the balancing spool as I was only getting hot water and had already replaced the cartridge. Spool came out intact. Had a new spool and installed that versus trying to rehab the old one. Did free the piston in the old one by tapping it brass cap down on concrete but parts of the brass broke off in the process. Appreciate the tips in this and other videos that gave this DIY task a happy ending.
NOTE: For this particular Moen faucet model, you can also avoid having to turn off the water to the entire bathroom by simply closing the two screws (the one on far left, and the one on far right [in the video above it's covered by some tape], both clockwise AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO - till the screw heads are only about a 1/16th of a inch visible). Doing so, closes/shuts down the water flow into the faucet--e.g., both the center cartridge and the pressure/anti-scald regulator cartridge, making it easy to change each of them out and/or clean each one anytime you want. Then after you reinstall the cartridges, you open up the screws all the way counter-clockwise to resume water flow to the faucet. Saves some time and headache.
@@m.j.9627 yes indeed, although helpful to know especially in cases of downtime, I wouldn’t recommend messing with those valves unless it’s entirely necessary. They aren’t really there for convenience. They are there to break when you use them as convenience. Something about Murphy’s law. 🤷♂️🤦🏼♂️
Frank although my valve is of a different brand your info is correct for various brands. removed and boiled mine and back in business. thank you for sharing. very valuable
Worked like a charm. Used citric acid powder in water since I had it, nearly instant. Pro tip, make sure to have enough water for boiling before you turn off the water and have a giant opening in your pipes.
If the pressure valve is frozen and you're not able to turn open, per Moen (and this worked for me[!]), insert a wide blade screwdriver into the pressure balance cartridge slot, and then use a hammer to gently tap the other end of the screwdriver while it's against the cartridge slotted head a few times to loosen any mineral deposits in the threads. Then turn screwdriver counter-clockwise to open and remove the cartridge. Repeat as necessary.
I thought I finally fixed my problem with no cold water after removing and cleaning (boiled in vinegar) the balance spool and noting it rattled completely freely. But I'm still not getting cold (yes I reversed 180 degree the cartridge also, which is new). When I open the cold water screw, I do get water flowing into the balancing spool's housing, so it's the spool or after the spool. When I shine a light into the cartridge housing, the light does not shine through to the spool housing, or vice versa. Could the passage between the cartridge and spool housing (cylinders) be clogged? I bent up some bore brushes to reach into the passage, but got no apparent effect.
Wow, cool. Let me try that. Have so much build up cleaned out everywhere else. Now I'm at this point. Cheers :) Maurice I shutdown 2 side water valves, turned on faucet to check, no water. Now try with all my strength to turn the Positemp valve counter clockwise to remove, with no avail. If anyone has a rick would be nice to know right now. Ouff Christmas eve lol.
My spool would not move even with a large screwdriver - after trying several things like drilling two holes and using needle-nose pliers and vice grips to turn it (which didn't work plus it broke 3 drill bits) I finally drilled a small hole in the face and used a punch and a hammer hitting it counter clockwise to break it free - it worked with just a few gentle taps with the punch got it unstuck ....
Per Moen (and this worked for me[!]), insert a wide blade screwdriver into the pressure balance cartridge slot firmly, and then use a hammer to gently tap the other end of the screwdriver while it's against the cartridge slotted head a few times to loosen any mineral deposits in the threads. Then turn screwdriver counter-clockwise to open and remove the cartridge. Repeat as necessary.
hi. i think i hv this problem. I've changed the main control valve, operation is ok but not as hot as it should be. all other fixtures in house get hotter. so this is next step.
@@SteveMillerBlog I had to grind a 1 inch wood chisel's blade flat so it essentially became a massive screwdriver. Worked like a charm, but took about an hour of grinding on the bench grinder and the diamond stone. I think I went a bit "ocd" on it, but it's looking like a good tool to keep in the plumbing box.
I had to take a cold chisel and drive the plug counter clockwise to get it unscrewed. Then I just drilled out the slider to allow hot water flow and put it back together. Never could get the sliding piece out and I don't want to wreck the tile to replace the valve.
a new one is 110.00 us dlls part #1423 great but the copper screw bust the HEAD 0ff yep moen is weak stuff...American standard is the best...repairing is just kicking the can down the road with this 3570 valve...its now or later.cut it out an replace it now with a brand that is the dependable
My experience with MOEN has been good. I have a MOENTROL that is over 30 years old and am having a problem for the first time now. I think my cartridge is worn? I contacted MOEN. Lets see what they say. I'm sure American Standard is good also. Thanks for the video.
Moen for life of headaches - no cold water - no hot - water not hot enough - cheap Chinese made plastic parts - you pay premium money for Moen and get poor quality products.. Moen for life no more.
Shut the water off at the street, went slow and steady removing the balancing spool as I was only getting hot water and had already replaced the cartridge. Spool came out intact. Had a new spool and installed that versus trying to rehab the old one. Did free the piston in the old one by tapping it brass cap down on concrete but parts of the brass broke off in the process. Appreciate the tips in this and other videos that gave this DIY task a happy ending.
You’re a life saver. I’ve been dealing with a low pressure shower for 6 months now. I just followed your video and I have a normal shower again!!!!!!
NOTE: For this particular Moen faucet model, you can also avoid having to turn off the water to the entire bathroom by simply closing the two screws (the one on far left, and the one on far right [in the video above it's covered by some tape], both clockwise AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO - till the screw heads are only about a 1/16th of a inch visible). Doing so, closes/shuts down the water flow into the faucet--e.g., both the center cartridge and the pressure/anti-scald regulator cartridge, making it easy to change each of them out and/or clean each one anytime you want. Then after you reinstall the cartridges, you open up the screws all the way counter-clockwise to resume water flow to the faucet. Saves some time and headache.
Tempting... As for myself, I have learned to leave established temperature valves well alone, lest they take on a new leaky behavior.
@@m.j.9627 yes indeed, although helpful to know especially in cases of downtime, I wouldn’t recommend messing with those valves unless it’s entirely necessary. They aren’t really there for convenience. They are there to break when you use them as convenience. Something about Murphy’s law. 🤷♂️🤦🏼♂️
Frank although my valve is of a different brand your info is correct for various brands. removed and boiled mine and back in business. thank you for sharing. very valuable
Worked like a charm. Used citric acid powder in water since I had it, nearly instant. Pro tip, make sure to have enough water for boiling before you turn off the water and have a giant opening in your pipes.
totally happened to me but busted open a bottle of water i had handy
That is a pressure balanced moentol with a 1225 cartridge. Posi-temps are 1222 with balancing spool built in.
Thanks for this video. I soaked mine in a bowl of CLR for about 10 minutes and presto!!
If the pressure valve is frozen and you're not able to turn open, per Moen (and this worked for me[!]), insert a wide blade screwdriver into the pressure balance cartridge slot, and then use a hammer to gently tap the other end of the screwdriver while it's against the cartridge slotted head a few times to loosen any mineral deposits in the threads. Then turn screwdriver counter-clockwise to open and remove the cartridge. Repeat as necessary.
Can't open mine for the live of mine
This saved me a trip to the store! Thanks
Can you do a video on how the balancing spool work? Why do we need such a part (as opposed to just let hot cold water mix at the ball joint)?
Thank you so much you save me from having to call the fucking plumber you’re the best🙏🏽
I thought I finally fixed my problem with no cold water after removing and cleaning (boiled in vinegar) the balance spool and noting it rattled completely freely. But I'm still not getting cold (yes I reversed 180 degree the cartridge also, which is new). When I open the cold water screw, I do get water flowing into the balancing spool's housing, so it's the spool or after the spool. When I shine a light into the cartridge housing, the light does not shine through to the spool housing, or vice versa. Could the passage between the cartridge and spool housing (cylinders) be clogged? I bent up some bore brushes to reach into the passage, but got no apparent effect.
Excellent advice. Worked really well.
Considering the cartridge is around 40-50 bucks, you may want to try the cleaning balancing spool first it seems.
best just dont buy a moen
Wow, cool. Let me try that. Have so much build up cleaned out everywhere else. Now I'm at this point. Cheers :) Maurice
I shutdown 2 side water valves, turned on faucet to check, no water. Now try with all my strength to turn the Positemp valve counter clockwise to remove, with no avail. If anyone has a rick would be nice to know right now. Ouff Christmas eve lol.
Exactly the right information. Thanks!
Thank you! Great video. Do you need to adjust the balancing spool or does it just screw in and do its thing?
I needed this! Thank you for posting. Fixed my issue!
Did you take the o-rings off before boiling?
I'd like to know that too. Did you attempt to remove the o-rings before boiling?
My spool would not move even with a large screwdriver - after trying several things like drilling two holes and using needle-nose pliers and vice grips to turn it (which didn't work plus it broke 3 drill bits) I finally drilled a small hole in the face and used a punch and a hammer hitting it counter clockwise to break it free - it worked with just a few gentle taps with the punch got it unstuck ....
Next time just call us we will charge u to take it out.
I’m having same problem - cant move it!
dang0088 da . Hi, I know everyone not do for free, but can you show me how to get it out, give me some ideas, thank you 🙏
Per Moen (and this worked for me[!]), insert a wide blade screwdriver into the pressure balance cartridge slot firmly, and then use a hammer to gently tap the other end of the screwdriver while it's against the cartridge slotted head a few times to loosen any mineral deposits in the threads. Then turn screwdriver counter-clockwise to open and remove the cartridge. Repeat as necessary.
thank you very much I was stumped
It worked after boiling it like you said, thanks!!
What if the piece inside that is clanking around pops right out? Is that bad or not a issue?
wonderful video. Thank you!
What's the secret to get one that is ceased up unscrewed?
Do you need to turn off water supply in the house before doing this?
yes, would be good to know before i start!
That's a different Posi temp than I have I have the one with the flanged cartridge top and bottom flange
Very helpful. Thanks
Gob bless you 🙏 thank you for the video
hi. i think i hv this problem. I've changed the main control valve, operation is ok but not as hot as it should be. all other fixtures in house get hotter. so this is next step.
i have same valve as you but do not know my part number. also it water hammers bad . trying to fix .can you help. thanks ; please reply
I was told it was a 1423 if it has the spool. Is that what you found out too?
This is a moentrol, not a positemp valve.
Do you know if the same technique can be applied on the positemp valve?
@@tponce No, different design.
@@cjvernon Do you know how to fix a positemp valve that doesn't deliver cold water?
@@tponce I had the e axt same problem. You need to replace the cartridge which is, unfortunately, rather pricey.
no posi temp. Trol over there fella !
I love how all these videos are able to just turn it out with a screwdriver, that wont happen after it's been in service for 20years
How do you get it unscrewed?
@@SteveMillerBlog I had to grind a 1 inch wood chisel's blade flat so it essentially became a massive screwdriver. Worked like a charm, but took about an hour of grinding on the bench grinder and the diamond stone. I think I went a bit "ocd" on it, but it's looking like a good tool to keep in the plumbing box.
I had to take a cold chisel and drive the plug counter clockwise to get it unscrewed. Then I just drilled out the slider to allow hot water flow and put it back together. Never could get the sliding piece out and I don't want to wreck the tile to replace the valve.
you ned a big electricians screwdriver and a pair of channellocks to turn it
a new one is 110.00 us dlls part #1423 great but the copper screw bust the HEAD 0ff yep moen is weak stuff...American standard is the best...repairing is just kicking the can down the road with this 3570 valve...its now or later.cut it out an replace it now with a brand that is the dependable
My experience with MOEN has been good. I have a MOENTROL that is over 30 years old and am having a problem for the first time now. I think my cartridge is worn? I contacted MOEN. Lets see what they say. I'm sure American Standard is good also.
Thanks for the video.
An easy step that we missed (embarrassed to admit) MAKE SURE BOTH HOT & COLD WATER IS TURNED ON.
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Moen for life of headaches - no cold water - no hot - water not hot enough - cheap Chinese made plastic parts - you pay premium money for Moen and get poor quality products.. Moen for life no more.