How nostalgic! Several of your examples I used as a youngster, and also had one of the early Lazer 80’s that I used in aerobatic RC models. Very smooth and powerful; they were made a few miles from where I lived near Hemel Hempstead. Made by a couple of guys, fascinating to watch the CNC lathes turning out the parts! Thanks again, Roger Bourne 76
I have converted a couple glow fuel engines to diesel. The power output was fantastic. And the runtime was amazing. A glow engine would run ten minutes on Alcohol. On diesel it would run for an hour. The conversion was a kit. It consisted of a cylinder head with a screw crank and counter piston. You would simply lower the compression. Start spinning the engine and slowly raise the compression until it started.
I'm enjoying the model/toy videos. I also have a handful of mainly Cox engines that haven't been out of the box for years. They bring back great memories of flying U control and radio control airplanes. Thank you!
I had one of those little diesel engines but didn't realise it was diesel so never got it going, in fact it's only now after seeing your videos that it makes any sense. I don't know how it came into my possession but I probably swapped it for something else but I definitely remember the screw in the top of the head that increased the compression by pushing down on a little upturned cup in the cylinder. The was no prop so I was trying to spin it with a bit of string as a pull cord and probably going in the wrong direction and using lighter fuel or something ! I'm not sure how old I was but it must have been over 50 years ago now and had forgotten all of this until I watched this video ! Thanks for reminding me of some good but forgotten childhood memories !
Memories of my 1st control line Diesel engine, an early 1960's Frog 1.5cc. It had a Blue anodized head. It took me months to get it started, ( I just could find the "sweet spot" with the compression setting.) After the initial run, it always started within 2 or 3 flicks and was very reliable.
I just pick a frog 150 yesterday in a box of 17 motors. Paid $40AUD. picture was bad on FB marketplace. Did show the 3 diesel in the picture. Rear exhaust motor and cox caught my eye. She had $200 and drop to $150. I message her, from the pic, they look like they had been damp. She says d there were her father and she didn't know. Couple days down to $50, I offered $40 as it was 150kms around trip. She gave me the box to have a look and I saw the 3 diesel on top, I could not my wallet out fast enough
Yes I've put my hand through the propeller arc to adjust the needle valve too, but I only did it once! you certainly get the message when you haver done it once!!!
Love it! Brings back memories...... I now remember where all the scars on my fingers came from...... I got an exploded view on my Saito 4 stroke but that was after if came down vertically from 1000ft flat out and buried itself 8inches under the ground.
I'm pretty sure I've got some old DC and PAW model motors in a box in the garage somewhere. There might even be an ED Bee amongst them. Really ought to dig them out to see exactly what I do still have. I know some of my control line planes were powered by a DC Wasp glow motor, but I'm pretty sure I no longer have those.
About 14 years old I launched a Kiel Kraft free flying aero with an ED Bee1 cc. Went beautifully. 200 yards straight up in to a massive row of trees. S..t. No way was I going to get that back. I suspect when autumn came someone had a nice new engine. I must admit I enjoyed making many models by this company. Thanks for your videos.
I have a couple of ED engines in the shed. They were my late father in laws who used to use them in his model boats. Should really sell them on as I really have enough steam toys to sort out already.
The second engine shown is a D-C Ltd Bantam. Essentially it is a bored out glow conversion of the D-C Dart. The D-C Wasp was its successor, and was a completely different design.
Thank you. I can't remember what they are as they are quite old now. I have just bought a large, vintage mixed model engine collection to add to mine and I will be featuring shortly in a video. I am going to Ultrasonically clean them.
Imagine trying these days as a boy of 11 going to my local chemist, an avid free flight modeller, for a pint of ether to make some diesel fuel. Still got an Marine ED Racer in a Veron Marlin boat with MacGregor 'tone' single channel on the rudder. On/off switch and a push button to send the tone, nothing like having a rudder going left, straight, right, straight, repeat, in sequence! Bless the early 70's...
Better still, at 14 years of age in 1970, going to the local chemist in New Zealand who had no clue about model aircraft and asking for some amyl nitrite (makes the heart go Boom BOOM BOOM when inhaled plus psychoactive effects) and getting the third degree from the chemist...no Google to show him why I needed it...went back after I mixed the diesel model fuel, gave him the pint bottle and said "Give it the sniff test if you want"...he declined.
Hi Keith, Watching the previous videos had me almost commenting, and then you showed one. A Mills Diesel. My dad has a few and love it when we start them. They can start backwards and tend to bight you then. Need to find some Ether to mix up some fresh fuel and make an oily mess. Best regards and keep it up, Paul
Beautiful engine collection there I got into rc model aircraft when I was a kid but never had the spondoolys to carry on with it the only thing I have left from that time is an old thunder tiger engine my dad got from his mate
ED were based in Kingston, Surrey. They made RC and related electronics equipment. One of my schoolfriends worked for them, in the 70s. The company shut up shop about 5 years ago.
Kieth, that brought back some memory’s, on this side of the pond we started out with the O - 49 glow plug engines. And you are right about the props, I to have some scars to go along with the memory’s . 😉 Thanks !
Gr8 video. I pick up box with 17 motors and 3 electric and old trannie for $40AUD. In poor condition. In the box was elfin 249, DC Spitfire, frog 150 which the same as the spitfire, cox (someone on FB said it got rare fuel tank), os 15x2 and 10. Enya 40, 35 and 19x2. kB 40 and another K&b a bit bigger(no size on it). Webra 61 and 10ccm. Glo chief 35 and 29 plus 3 electric motors, cheers Graham.
As a kid, probably about 1968-70 my dad and I built a dope and tissue covered Mosquito control line plane. We only had one engine, I'm sure it was a Wasp Glowplug, 0.5cc. Thx for this vid, great stuff. PS. We couldn't afford the second engine and it never flew ...I wonder what happened to it...
I have some fond memories of building tissue covered balsa planes, I particularly remember coating them with layers banana oil and dope, that smell will never be forgotten !
That mills 0.75 definitely looks like an Indian Aurora. Genuine mills have a treated magnesium crankcase and stamped motor mount. The Indian engines are cast in aluminium alloy
Ha Ha Bit of Nostalgia, l have something like 100 old engines in a large box, all well oiled and preserved, as a teenager l worked with Gig Eifflander making PAW engines - Ah those were the days, all engines were "hand-made" none of this CAD/CAM stuff - ended up manufacturing Marine diesel engines
Mr.Appleton branches out. I must say, I do like these 'old toy' videos you're doing, having similar interests myself, and an amount of similar stuff 'stored' in my attic. You're dead right, there was something about these things that I too feel kids of today are getting short changed on with their modern tat. It's an age thing, I suppose. They can't see it, but we can- I guess you had to be there then, as they say. Engineered things will always be interesting to me, mechanical, slightly dangerous to modern eyes, but merely demanding a little common sense and care in use, strangely lacking in a lot of people, who have no desire to acquire these attributes. I know where my money would (and did) go. And a lot of it was on fireworks, too, at the right time of year! How DID we all survive, bless my snowflake heart! Cheers, Keithy.
Did you ever find the laser would get a stuck exhaust valve ? Reason i am asking is me and a friend bought two lasers new years ago (mid 90's) and even running the fuel they said the exhaust valve would stick after a few tanks. They still make them and from what i see they are alot better than some of the early ones. Love the ED engines as i use those in my models and also use a ED transmitter with escapments on one of my boats.
Hi Keith, I think the one you describe as a Dc Wasp is a 0.75cc Dc Bantam, the Wasp came later and I'm fairly sure they didn't have an aluminium fuel tank like the one in your picture. I have a Bantam that's in its original box that has never been run. Your Coxes, the front induction series with a plastic venturi are Medallions (made in .049, .09 and .15 cu ins versions) and the ones like the 010 are Tee Tees' (made in .010, ,020, .049, .051, .09, & .15 cu ins versions) which had more power. The bigger one with a silencer is a Cox Queen Bee of about 1.5 cc, I think it was 0.061 cu and the rear induction is a Babe Bee 049. Cox also made the Pee Wee, an 020 that looks just like a smaller Babe Bee with rear induction, most had a red fuel tank and gold backplate. The original L.M Cox engines were best, when the company was sold to various other manufacturers the quality and tolerances were not as good.
I thought that diesel model aircraft engines used the yellow tygon tubing like the gasoline engines do. Does the model diesel fuel dissolve the silicone like gasoline does?
I was given a couple of model diesel engines back when I used to fly U-Control, but could never get them to run. If may have been being in Canada all the hobby shops only sold glow fuel, and the diesel would not run on it or truck diesel fuel.
the mills shown here is a replica ! original Mills.75 where black and had magnesioum crankcases...the replica u have is probably a indian mills or a russian mills.
How nostalgic! Several of your examples I used as a youngster, and also had one of the early Lazer 80’s that I used in aerobatic RC models. Very smooth and powerful; they were made a few miles from where I lived near Hemel Hempstead. Made by a couple of guys, fascinating to watch the CNC lathes turning out the parts! Thanks again, Roger Bourne 76
I have converted a couple glow fuel engines to diesel. The power output was fantastic. And the runtime was amazing. A glow engine would run ten minutes on Alcohol. On diesel it would run for an hour.
The conversion was a kit. It consisted of a cylinder head with a screw crank and counter piston. You would simply lower the compression. Start spinning the engine and slowly raise the compression until it started.
I'm enjoying the model/toy videos. I also have a handful of mainly Cox engines that haven't been out of the box for years. They bring back great memories of flying U control and radio control airplanes. Thank you!
Very interesting thanks , Takes me back and i can still remember the smell and noise these little engines used to make , Happy days !
I had one of those little diesel engines but didn't realise it was diesel so never got it going, in fact it's only now after seeing your videos that it makes any sense.
I don't know how it came into my possession but I probably swapped it for something else but I definitely remember the screw in the top of the head that increased the compression by pushing down on a little upturned cup in the cylinder. The was no prop so I was trying to spin it with a bit of string as a pull cord and probably going in the wrong direction and using lighter fuel or something !
I'm not sure how old I was but it must have been over 50 years ago now and had forgotten all of this until I watched this video !
Thanks for reminding me of some good but forgotten childhood memories !
Memories of my 1st control line Diesel engine, an early 1960's Frog 1.5cc. It had a Blue anodized head. It took me months to get it started, ( I just could find the "sweet spot" with the compression setting.) After the initial run, it always started within 2 or 3 flicks and was very reliable.
I just pick a frog 150 yesterday in a box of 17 motors. Paid $40AUD. picture was bad on FB marketplace. Did show the 3 diesel in the picture. Rear exhaust motor and cox caught my eye. She had $200 and drop to $150. I message her, from the pic, they look like they had been damp. She says d there were her father and she didn't know. Couple days down to $50, I offered $40 as it was 150kms around trip. She gave me the box to have a look and I saw the 3 diesel on top, I could not my wallet out fast enough
Yes I've put my hand through the propeller arc to adjust the needle valve too, but I only did it once! you certainly get the message when you haver done it once!!!
Just a whiff of old model aircraft diesel takes me back 50 years to control line flying on sunny days.
Love it! Brings back memories...... I now remember where all the scars on my fingers came from...... I got an exploded view on my Saito 4 stroke but that was after if came down vertically from 1000ft flat out and buried itself 8inches under the ground.
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These little engines are getting some good stories told. First flying in the house, and now covering a man with blood.
I'm pretty sure I've got some old DC and PAW model motors in a box in the garage somewhere. There might even be an ED Bee amongst them. Really ought to dig them out to see exactly what I do still have. I know some of my control line planes were powered by a DC Wasp glow motor, but I'm pretty sure I no longer have those.
About 14 years old I launched a Kiel Kraft free flying aero with an ED Bee1 cc. Went beautifully. 200 yards straight up in to a massive row of trees. S..t. No way was I going to get that back. I suspect when autumn came someone had a nice new engine. I must admit I enjoyed making many models by this company. Thanks for your videos.
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I have a couple of ED engines in the shed. They were my late father in laws who used to use them in his model boats. Should really sell them on as I really have enough steam toys to sort out already.
Gorgeous engines, thanks for sharing.
The second engine shown is a D-C Ltd Bantam. Essentially it is a bored out glow conversion of the D-C Dart.
The D-C Wasp was its successor, and was a completely different design.
Thank you. I can't remember what they are as they are quite old now. I have just bought a large, vintage mixed model engine collection to add to mine and I will be featuring shortly in a video. I am going to Ultrasonically clean them.
Imagine trying these days as a boy of 11 going to my local chemist, an avid free flight modeller, for a pint of ether to make some diesel fuel. Still got an Marine ED Racer in a Veron Marlin boat with MacGregor 'tone' single channel on the rudder. On/off switch and a push button to send the tone, nothing like having a rudder going left, straight, right, straight, repeat, in sequence! Bless the early 70's...
Better still, at 14 years of age in 1970, going to the local chemist in New Zealand who had no clue about model aircraft and asking for some amyl nitrite (makes the heart go Boom BOOM BOOM when inhaled plus psychoactive effects) and getting the third degree from the chemist...no Google to show him why I needed it...went back after I mixed the diesel model fuel, gave him the pint bottle and said "Give it the sniff test if you want"...he declined.
Hi Keith,
Watching the previous videos had me almost commenting, and then you showed one. A Mills Diesel. My dad has a few and love it when we start them. They can start backwards and tend to bight you then. Need to find some Ether to mix up some fresh fuel and make an oily mess.
Best regards and keep it up,
Paul
Beautiful engine collection there I got into rc model aircraft when I was a kid but never had the spondoolys to carry on with it the only thing I have left from that time is an old thunder tiger engine my dad got from his mate
ED were based in Kingston, Surrey. They made RC and related electronics equipment. One of my schoolfriends worked for them, in the 70s. The company shut up shop about 5 years ago.
Kieth, that brought back some memory’s, on this side of the pond we started out with the O - 49 glow plug engines. And you are right about the props, I to have some scars to go along with the memory’s . 😉
Thanks !
Scars are tatoo s with better stories!
Got a really nice scar right forefinger from my 049 with one of them new fangled nylon props in the early 70s!
I have some neat ones on the fourth finger of my left hand {:-)))
That DC engine which you named a Wasp is actually a DC Bantam. I have 2 of these. The Wasp came later.
Thank you for correcting me.
Gr8 video. I pick up box with 17 motors and 3 electric and old trannie for $40AUD. In poor condition. In the box was elfin 249, DC Spitfire, frog 150 which the same as the spitfire, cox (someone on FB said it got rare fuel tank), os 15x2 and 10. Enya 40, 35 and 19x2. kB 40 and another K&b a bit bigger(no size on it). Webra 61 and 10ccm. Glo chief 35 and 29 plus 3 electric motors, cheers Graham.
Fox, Rossi, Supertiger, cox, my dad had lots of them
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Love it we come from the same place.I was part of 3 sisters mac in the 80 s
Pulse jets team race n speed and combat.
having the original box really increases the value of the item
I think your DC Wasp is actually a DC Bantam.
I still have a DC Spitfire from the control line days!
Enjoyed, cheers!
As a kid, probably about 1968-70 my dad and I built a dope and tissue covered Mosquito control line plane. We only had one engine, I'm sure it was a Wasp Glowplug, 0.5cc. Thx for this vid, great stuff.
PS. We couldn't afford the second engine and it never flew ...I wonder what happened to it...
I have some fond memories of building tissue covered balsa planes, I particularly remember coating them with layers banana oil and dope, that smell will never be forgotten !
Nice video, maybe you can start up a few of those engine and present them on YT.
Maybe one day .....
I use car sensor cleaning spray to loosen up gummed up diesels
That mills 0.75 definitely looks like an Indian Aurora. Genuine mills have a treated magnesium crankcase and stamped motor mount. The Indian engines are cast in aluminium alloy
You are probably right, I don't know where it came from .....
Nice
Blue cylinder head is Spitfire red is Sabre.
Ha Ha Bit of Nostalgia, l have something like 100 old engines in a large box, all well oiled and preserved, as a teenager l worked with Gig Eifflander making PAW engines - Ah those were the days, all engines were "hand-made" none of this CAD/CAM stuff - ended up manufacturing Marine diesel engines
I have over 150 and still collecting.. I still fly nitro and electric. And I have a collection of finished planes and unopened kits.
Mr.Appleton branches out.
I must say, I do like these 'old toy' videos you're doing, having similar interests myself, and an amount of similar stuff 'stored' in my attic. You're dead right, there was something about these things that I too feel kids of today are getting short changed on with their modern tat. It's an age thing, I suppose. They can't see it, but we can- I guess you had to be there then, as they say.
Engineered things will always be interesting to me, mechanical, slightly dangerous to modern eyes, but merely demanding a little common sense and care in use, strangely lacking in a lot of people, who have no desire to acquire these attributes. I know where my money would (and did) go. And a lot of it was on fireworks, too, at the right time of year!
How DID we all survive, bless my snowflake heart! Cheers, Keithy.
Well, I don't know about *useful* but it *WAS* entertaining!
Just kidding, really enjoying the Vintage Toys series!
You should make a little test stand to mount these engines to and give them a run.
McCoy he had one but he said it was bad motor.
I think you should get an RC model aircraft and modify it with one of your diesel Engines on the front with remote control throttle included
Keith... If you want a "Round the pole" power supply.... I have one here, free to good home.
Did you ever find the laser would get a stuck exhaust valve ? Reason i am asking is me and a friend bought two lasers new years ago (mid 90's) and even running the fuel they said the exhaust valve would stick after a few tanks. They still make them and from what i see they are alot better than some of the early ones. Love the ED engines as i use those in my models and also use a ED transmitter with escapments on one of my boats.
Never had that problem, mine always ran faultlessly.
Hello, sir I am from India, I love watching your videos ... by any chance I am able to buy any of small engine in india ?
There are plenty for sale on Ebay ......
Hi Keith, I think the one you describe as a Dc Wasp is a 0.75cc Dc Bantam, the Wasp came later and I'm fairly sure they didn't have an aluminium fuel tank like the one in your picture. I have a Bantam that's in its original box that has never been run. Your Coxes, the front induction series with a plastic venturi are Medallions (made in .049, .09 and .15 cu ins versions) and the ones like the 010 are Tee Tees' (made in .010, ,020, .049, .051, .09, & .15 cu ins versions) which had more power. The bigger one with a silencer is a Cox Queen Bee of about 1.5 cc, I think it was 0.061 cu and the rear induction is a Babe Bee 049. Cox also made the Pee Wee, an 020 that looks just like a smaller Babe Bee with rear induction, most had a red fuel tank and gold backplate. The original L.M Cox engines were best, when the company was sold to various other manufacturers the quality and tolerances were not as good.
Thank you for the information.
I thought that diesel model aircraft engines used the yellow tygon tubing like the gasoline engines do. Does the model diesel fuel dissolve the silicone like gasoline does?
Yes it probably does.
You're right. In the UK silicon tubing is fine for glow motors, but neoprene tubing is the choice for diesels.
I was given a couple of model diesel engines back when I used to fly U-Control, but could never get them to run. If may have been being in Canada all the hobby shops only sold glow fuel, and the diesel would not run on it or truck diesel fuel.
hi Keith i have an old FROG 5cc glow plug engine were they made in England? thanks
Yes as far as I know they were.
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Wot. No PAWs or Oliver Tigers?
I could never afford an Oliver Tiger ......
@@keithappleton me too, until I bought a complete combat plane with one fitted from someone who was giving up. I never ran it or flew it, sadly.
Perhaps the prize was a homing model. Flew out of sight back to its loft.
the mills shown here is a replica ! original Mills.75 where black and had magnesioum crankcases...the replica u have is probably a indian mills or a russian mills.
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Nothing to bring back memories like a freshly propeller cut finger with alcohol fuel on it & the smell of burnt castor oil!