Hi Alex. I have had my 2015 Promaster City Wagon SLT now for almost 10 months now. I purchased it new in June 2016. I have now had it long enough to have formed my opinion overall about it. My opinion matches closely with yours. The reasons I had for selecting this van very much still apply and it has lived up to my expectations in those areas quite well. I wanted a stylish, smaller van with a good usable amount of room in it with big doors, low step in height, chair like seating, seat up to 4 or 5 people, lots of head and elbow room, and a low load floor with enough cargo area height so I could easily put bulky items in the rear and get reasonably good fuel economy. It had to fit in a length limited parking space and be narrow enough to park in those narrow store spaces we now have where you cannot open your doors on a full size car or truck to get in or out of. The roof had to be low enough to fit in a standard house garage. Chrysler used to call that a 'garagable' van. The additional accessories I have purchased for the van are the factory screw in tow bar for the bumper so if necessary, I can hook a tow rope to the van. I also purchased the Ram factory rubber rear floor mat that has molded in openings for the factory cargo tie down hooks in the floor. I already had the receiver tow hitch for the factory tow package so I can pull a small trailer. It rides and drives just ok. Nothing special there except that the independent rear suspension really copes well with bumps encountered in corners which cause other vans and trucks to step sideways on. This one stays straight and doesn't get out of line. When you step on it, this van will scoot pretty good. It's no rocket, but it moves out much better than you would expect a 178 hp truck that weighs in at 3800 pounds to do. The big down side is the large throttle lag from the time you say let's go to when it says ok. It reminded me of the bad old days of the turbo lag you would get back in the 80's and 90's when you asked for power and there was a wait before it arrived. The transmission is not as smooth or responsive as it should be. It takes to long to react. Both the engine and transmission take to long to respond to your foot inputs. I have almost 5000 miles on the van now. I am averaging about 19 to 26 mpg per tank. Mostly in the 21.5 to 24.5 range. Mostly city, suburban driving with an occasional freeway jaunt.
As a note to help. My Courier business bought a 2016 Ram Pro City exactly a year ago. We've put 40K fairly easy miles on it and we now need a new motor because of oil consumption issues which apparently is a common problem. I was told by a Chrysler mechanic the van is, are you ready, made to turn off completely when low on oil. One of my Drivers said that it shut off twice both times on the highway. He was lucky enough to pull over to safety. We also just paid $1.200 to repair various items that included new sway bar linkages. Again, one year and 40k in well maintained ownership.
I purchased this vehicle new as a 2019 model. Oil level would slowly go down, a total of 2 quarts over 3200 miles! A little research showed at least one lawsuit for the loss of oil shutting down the engine, creating a dangerous driving situation. As I wanted to do a road trip to visit family during this pandemic, I had a local shop perform an oil/filter change except with a heaver oil (5W30) V: 0W20. The oil was full synthetic. During the trip, I kept notes. Driving speeds were typically 70-80 MPH. Each evening, I check oil consumption. NO OIL LOSS! Total mileage at end of trip, 4800. No oil added whatsoever. I don't contribute weight of new oil making this change as much as the long, high speed engine burning itself in, as in sealing the rings. In the ensuing 8 months of my return, back to local driving, no additional oil loss.
I purchased a new 2015 Promaster City SLT 5 passenger wagon about a month ago. It meets my specific requirements. It's 188 inch length fits my short driveway, its 74 inch height allows it to fit in my garage and clear the open door. It's 72 inch width helps with today's skinny parking stalls while providing adequate 59 inch interior width for sufficient elbow room. It has a low step in and load floor height, a tall cargo area so I do not have to turn bulky items on their side, However, make sure you specify that the owners manual is supplied when you purchase it because it's not supplied standard. And you will need it to figure out how to use some of the features. Like how to turn on the parking lights (hint, there is no parking light setting on the headlight switch.), adjust the backlight (dimmer) on the dash (you have to turn on the headlights then uses some radio buttons!) and some other things. The 178 hp engine uses more RPM than I have been accustom to. It runs to about 6400 RPM when you step on it and that 9 speed automatic takes some getting used to to learn how to take best advantage of its capabilities with the engine. This van can scoot along pretty darn good if you want it to. The independent rear suspension really works on a washboard road that makes other vans dance around. The low hanging air dams under the front bumper like scraping on driveway aprons as you enter and leave parking lots. Just the way it is on many newer vehicles. Every newer car I have driven will do that. The only vehicle I drive regularly that does not do that is my 89 F150 pickup. This is not a Mustang. It's cornering limits are pretty modest. It could use more tire grip. Speaking of tires, there is no spare tire. Instead an air compressor with some flat fix goo in a can is supplied. If you want a spare you have to buy a spare tire kit and a jack kit from dealer parts. The spare tire kit includes the spare and the storage winch. The jack kit includes the jack and some jack tools and wheel chicks. Both are quite spendy. And not in inventory at my local dealer. Also at the present time, you will not find dealer or aftermarket support available for the Promaster City like you will for a Wrangler or Ram Pickup. I need some warranty parts for my mine which the spare part numbers do not exist yet. We will see how long it will take to get them. This is a stylish van. I like its looks and size. It's comfortable for me. The painted bumpers and alloy wheel and light options really add to its looks. It has a low stance that works. Mine has the factory mud flaps. They really do a good job protecting the lower body. It also has the factory tow package and the 4/7 pin wire harness. With that I may be able to replace my old pickup truck with a smallish utility trailer to haul dirty stuff. I do not need to haul heavy loads.
American Rambler I take it you purchased the SLT with fog lights and color coded bumpers? The tradesman does not have the same clearance issues you stated. Mine will not hang on parking blocks. Instead of going with the spare tire kit (which is useless) I opted instead to get run flat tires. I have an automotive business and acquired them, and installed them myself for about the same as what Fiatsler wants for their spare tire kit. Mine doesn't come with rear lights, and so I guess those other features would not apply to me. I did get an owners manual, and the transmission is probably the one thing I hate, and I know it's a grenade with a loose pin. Only a matter of time.
Lynx Star Automotive. The van I purchased is the SLT Wagon. It has all the options but 3. Those are: Backup Camera, Navigation and the Roof Rack. It has everything else. For navigation, I use my cell phone or iPad. With Bluetooth, the instructions come through the speakers and I like its navigation software better than the factory one. It's easier to use. I do not plan to carry anything on the roof. But I do miss the backup camera function. I use the fog lights from time to time. I like how they light up the immediate area around the front of the van and to the immediate side. Very helpful in dark wet areas not well marked at night. As far as I know, every PMC gets the same suspension, tires, shocks springs and brakes wheather it's a Tradesman 2 seater or the Wagon 5 seater in either the base or SLT trim. I have the heated seats, lumbar adjustment and the power rear windows in the sliding doors. I really like those. I use them much more than I thought I would.
What I like about my PMC Wagon. 1) Its size. 2) Head room! 3) Its big easy to use front doors. 4) Its looks. It looks better than the Transit Connect. 5) It does not have a 3rd row seat! 6) Tall cargo bay. 7) Its low step in height front and rear. 8) Its low cargo floor. 9) Its independent rear suspension. 10) Its seats are comfortable for me. Leg and elbow room. 11) Good purchase price for me. 12) it has a 9 speed automatic transmission instead of a CVT Or 5 or 6 speed. 13) Fits in my driveway. Most of the other vans I looked at were to long. 14) It comes with a factory tow package. I can tow small trailers. 15) Its just over 48 inches between the wheel wells. So 4 foot wide cargo fits flat on the floor. The floor is totally flat to the back of the folded rear seat. 16) installed factory tie down rings. 17) Overhead storage shelf. That thing is great! It spans the full width of the van above the windshield. And has room to actually store real stuff. 18) Big windshield and door windows. 19) it works for what I use it for. It's my preferred vehicle in our household.
What problems have I had with my Promaster City SLT Wagon? 1) Trailer Tow Package Wiring. This was a recall repaired prior to delivery. 2) Drivers sun visor missing its parked position bump stops. Parcel shelf replaced under warranty. Could not get just the missing bumpers. 3) Repair non working drivers side sliding door power window. The window would not go up or down after opening and closing the door. The door power connector alignment was adjusted after delivery. Under warranty. This was identified prior to delivery but ran out of time to fix that day. 4) rear door weather stripping seal. 5) On trip in Hells Canyon dirt roads, found dust was getting in around the seal between the rear doors. Adjusted under warranty shortly after delivery. Another recall item was identified and repaired while the other warranty repairs were being worked. My local dealer has provided excellent support.
Awesome Detailed Review as always - talking about the things that really matter to car buyers. Still waiting on a Transit Connect Detailed Review (Passenger Wagon version, preferably) since no other reviewer wants to tackle it.
I have one. It’s a phenomenal little work truck. It’s unbelievable how much stuff you can carry in it and on it. I bought roof racks for it. The acceleration has always been choppy since the day I bought it. It doesn’t switch gears easily or smoothly. But it is good on gas. My biggest complaint is I can’t get a row of seats anywhere to place in back.
What design changes would I make? 1) this is the one that annoys me the most! Put a new modern design instrument cluster in the dash! The current one is pretty bad in function and visibility. 2) Change the remote key fob. The current one in a word, sucks. It jams in the ignition, will not stay closed in your pocket. So it keeps opening up and poking you in the leg. 3) Recalibrate the engine and transmission to improve initial responsiveness and eliminate the delay when you step on it. Get rid of the lag. 4) Increase front suspension travel. Mine bottoms out on the bump stops to easily. 5) Add rear disk brakes. 6) Add LED exterior lighting. 7) Tighten the turning circle. This van makes unexpectedly wide turns. Would help in tight parking lots and streets. 8) increase the range of motion for the power mirrors. Current ones do not adjust up and down or to the outside far enough. 9) Better road noise insulation. 10) Some features are currently available on the European Fiat Doblo version of this van and not the PMC. These are allready designed in so could be added to our vans without much trouble. I doubt any tooling would need to be changed. A) add the rear quarter panel window from the Doblo Maxi for the 5 seat Wagon models. The sheet metal quarter panels already exist and so does the glass. B) Add the forward fold down front passenger seat option. The backrest on the front seat can fold down flat. You could fold down the rear seat backrest on this Wagon, and then on the Tradesman and Wagon, fold down the front passenger seat backrest. That would allow you to items like boards up to 9 feet or more in the van and close the rear doors. This is already available on the European Doblo. No design change required. C) add the climate control option available on the European Doblo. No design change required.
To engage 9th gear drive up to 72mph and set cruise. Then hit the minus 2-4 times and itll engage 9th gear. Mostly works on flats. And cancel cruise when going down hill to keep 9th gear and press the rsm/cancel button again. Or repeat process.
I’ve been driving one for 90,000+ miles. It’s a company vehicle, and I would NEVER buy one personally. It’s spent WAY too much time in the shop. Parts have been hard to find, and it’s just left me stranded too many times. Also I never gotten more than 20 MPG city OR highway. I seriously doubt that you can haul any kind of a load and get good mileage.
Having owned 7 vans alone during my driving life, I drove all 3 vehicles in this segment. I had been leaning toward the Ford, until I drove the Promaster City. It drove and handled more to my liking than the others, and had more than enough performance and hauling factors. Lastly, the Ford could be configured to price itself way out of my range, still had to be "custom ordered" to get things like split rear doors. I purchased a Ram configured very close to the one in this review, a 2015 set to clearance for a very attractive price. I've had it for over a month now, and believe I made the right call for myself. If anybody finds the 'Perfect" vehicle, well, it isn't. Please let me know.
+David Cardillo Pardon my rudeness, the review was Top Notch. I'd also like to add that I'm not particularly fond of Chryslers, now owning one since the K-car concept in the early 1980's, and having soured on the corporation at that time. My bias was overcome by experiencing this vehicle for my purposes.
Thanks so much. I run a food bank and need to purchase a new vehicle for pick ups. I plan to combined my new vehicle for my personal use and the food bank.
If you get a Promaster City, make sure you get the factory installed backup camera. You will be glad you did. It's well worth the money they charge for it. I did not get it on mine. I will be correcting that mistake. Just have not decided on the one I want yet.
American Rambler interesting. Pretty much all the dealers in my area have the PMC with the rear camera. Even the tradesman trims. I have to be honest with you, never really pay it any mind. I use my mirrors and call it a day
I have not installed a backup camera yet. I am a big fat dude. So I sit tall in the seat and run it in the 2nd to the last notch to the rear setting. My problem with the existing mirrors is they run out of adjustment range of motion. I cannot pivot them to a position where they cover my blind spots to the rear and side as much as I would like. So it makes it very difficult to clear the right and left rear quarter when backing out of a parking stall or changing lanes to the right or left. For the left I can turn my head and look over my shoulder or if I am stopped, I can open the drivers door and move the mirror with the door frame to expose the area I want to look at. Backing up, the view out the rear windows is not all that good. The center door posts get in the way and the bottom of the window is to high. The mirrors respond to slow when you want to motor them around with the power adjusters. I cannot pivot them sideways far enough to see approaching people or vehicles.
There is also the RAM CV, which is a Caravan with a little heavier suspension and dedicated cargo configuration. It has a bit less payload capacity than ProMaster City but, as mentioned, can tow quite a bit more. The drawbacks to the CV are the lower fuel mileage and the rear hatch, which effectively prevents forklift loading. Of course both RAM CV and the Caravan go away later this year when the 2016 Town and Country comes out. The lower priced options in the Caravan line will not be offered with the new Town and Country. You would need to move to something like the ProMaster City or perhaps the Dodge Journey for lower cost people hauling.
Would I buy another one. Yes. What would I change if I were to get one today? The only item I would spec differently would be sure to get the backup camera. Mine already has almost everything else. Mine is almost completely loaded with options. The navigation I could go either way. If it comes with it, fine, but I will not pay the extra price they want for it. My iPhone and iPad navigation apps work just fine and will connect to the media Bluetooth interface. I do not need the roof rack. Won't pay for that either. I would prefer it came with a jack and spare tire. I have yet to own a car or truck that did not get a flat tire I did not have to replace because it could not be inflated. My current PMC is the exception. It's still too new with not to many miles.
The areas I do not like in the PMC van are as follows. 1) The speedometer. You cannot read it much of the time. The lower side is difficult to see in the daylight and the numbers are too small and it's poorly lighted. It does not show up in regular day light. 2) Dash dimmer switch. You cannot adjust it without the ignition on and the engine not running. 3) No parking light setting on the head light switch. It's a bother to activate them. To many steps and conditions. 4) Intermittent windshield wiper setting is not adjustable. Or at least not without reading the owners manual. The passenger side front door will not activate the power lock function. That feature is not available in my van. No switch in the door. Drivers door or key fob only. 5) Front seat back rest adjustment. Angle is adjusted by a knob instead of a handle or lever. Very difficult to do while sitting in the seat. Hard to reach and hard to turn. 6) Door Handles! Surprise! This one doesn't bother me, but it causes problems for other people. People who ride in the van have problems opening the doors. The way the door handles work is not intuitive for them so they pull on them wrong and they do not respond to their inputs fully. They either do not release or release fully. It's not a smooth operation for them. Also, they have trouble finding and activating the trigger style release on the rear sliding doors. 7) rear cargo door catches. The rear doors open 90 degrees and step and are held in place by a detent. To release and open past 90 degrees is easy enough, but there is no resistance to hold them in position after that. They swing freely with nothing to hold them in place. Wind or gravity will push them around. It's very annoying. 8) rear cargo hook ring location. The rear tie down hooks at the rear of the van are less than 48 inches apart. Thus if you want to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood, you have to run your tie down straps through the tie down rings before you load the wood, because they will be covered up after you insert the load. You will need to leave the rear doors open because the load floor is less than 8 feet. And the rings are your only tie down location in back.
Either the driver or the passenger can rest their arm on the ultra-narrow single armrest between the seats. There's simply not enough room for both front occupants to have relaxed arms (nor backs, as a result). Flip a coin to decide who gets the aching back, I guess.
This vehicle even loaded down with a lot of weight has a lot of pickup. The accelerator is extremely touchy. I find I have to be extremely gentle on it when I pull out. Otherwise the front wheels slip on the road.
I know that in US, diesel is not so common, but it's so strange you can't get diesel engine. In the Fiat Doblò (the EU version of the ProMaster) diesel are the best engines, both for efficiency, performance and mileage, even when fully loaded with people\items. :p
Anyone have this van? How’s it be so far? Looking at a 2015 with 95km but want to know what I’m getting into first before buying it? How’s yall experience with them?
Promaster City Wagon SLT crashability. This was one I would have preferred not to find out about. How tough is the van in a crash? Well it's no tank. On Christmas Eve, a 1st gen Dodge Durango made a left turn in front of me at a traffic light. Unfortunately there was not quite enough room to stop before impact. I T-boned him in the right front wheel and fender. I hit him hard enough that I pushed him sideways about 10 feet +/- . No air bags popped but I could feel things bending in the front end during impact. Felt kind of like squeezing a Cush ball. Sounded like a soft bang followed by some stuff rattling around inside the van. All the cargo straps I had stored in the package shelf above the rear wheels flew forward, hit the backrest on the front seats and landed on the rear seat or floorboards. The front end was a mess. The hood was buckled up quite a bit, both front fenders bent and buckled, the grill smashed, both headlight lenses broken, bumper cover mangled, the bumper structure bent and pushed into the radiator, it pushed back to the exhaust manifold on the engine. Lost the coolant. The right passenger front fender was up against the door edge so it was binding on the door when we went to open it. I went away on a flatbed tow truck. The Durango drove home. Those things are tough. It did not look like it was hardly damaged. He drove home. It took 3 months and about $13,500 dollars to fix my van. I got it back at the end of March. I am driving it now. Cannot tell it was ever hit. I can tell because some parts look just a bit different that what came on the van under the hood. But except for about 2, they are all Fiat Chrysler parts. About the only non Chrysler parts were the headlights. And they have a better warranty than the OEM FCA parts. They did a very good job. The warranty is a lifetime repair. If anything on the repair fails, they fix it for as long as I own the van.
This was a d*mn good review of the vehicle. I sat in this vehicle at the dealer today with a salesperson. I liked the inside, but not the leg room. I did not like the front bumper and plastic fairing hanging low to the ground. I do not like the departure angle, as the roadway dips at typical driveways is terribly steep in the city where I drive. I am not prepared to pay $ 25,000+ for a Fiat. The sticker-price was $ 27,000 on the model I sat in, and it was not the wagon version. Not having a tow package and spare tire for that price is just ridiculous. It would be cheaper, better and more practical to get a Honda Ridgeline and weld a roof over the bed.
It is front wheel drive so that helps a lot with weight over those wheels. Some concern about ground clearance as it low for snow drifts. Euro vehicles seem to handle well in snow and ice conditions.
i looked on your website and it said you wre gonna do the 2015 Buick Encore but you already did the Encore were there any changes between when you last reviewed it and 2015 model?
No, but since the Encore came out we have more options in this arena like the Renegade, Trax and HR-V. The Encore video was also an older cheesier video and with the time since that review I have started to wonder if it was as good as I remember. Sometimes it's good to circle back around.
My testing is real world 30k as a work van. All I can say is, Its Crap! I had one of these for my work van. company payed for everything so that's all cool. BUT its a Fiat, not a Ram. The 9 speed is so bad ! it never can make up its mind! It also is crap for MPGs mixed 21mpg. I also had several break downs in 30k. is it "quick!" NOO A 2005 corolla has more go juice! the Only good thing I can say, its good for putting stuff in! But thats about all it does good. HATED driving that van, but if was free so whatever. Also NOTE if you'er over 6' don't buy the van with the cage you will not fit! My sum up ITS a POS shop other vans.
ChrisSoCalm -this Promaster City looks waaaaaaaay better than the transit. It’s reminiscent of the original panel vans from a hundred years ago. Super stylish
@ChrisSoCalm Older work vans had V8 and where based off truck platforms..Thats what I expect! to get 21MPG you drive like your 80 years old. I Had work to do, no time for old man driving!
on the hole a really informative review on what is after all only a rebadged Fiat Doblo. with a wierd name (Tigershark) tacked on to the fiat/alfa MultiAir engine. it's not quite right what is said about a seven seat configuration, the doblo has had a seven seat version for over twenty years in Mk 1/2/and 3 models but it looks like it's not something you are getting in the u.s. + the u.s. has some way to go on those performance figures too! if I got any less than 45 mpg round town I'd take it to the fiat dealer and ask for my money back. fiat doblo family (7 seater) Fuel Consumption EC Combined 47.9 MPG, EC Extra Urban 55.4 MPG, EC Urban 47.9 MPG, DOHC 4 Cylinder IN-LINE Engine Layout Front Transverse, Fuel Delivery COMMON RAIL, 6 SPEED Transmission MANUAL, 135 bhp (246 lb·ft) tq. with a range of 746 miles you can drive cost to cast across the u.s.a. on only four tanks of fuel. as for comparing this to a larger van such as the Chevy Astro as in a previous comment, there is no comparison to be made (1) they are two different sizes of van (2) vans like the Chevy Astro and similar with their out of date engines that give poor power return for the fuel they consume can barely managed to squeeze 190 bhp out of a 4.3 L power unit that is 2.26 times bigger than most modern turbo diesel engine for only 55 bhp more! this is not surprising considering most of the technology in engines of this type comes from the 1970's and 80's so their power to weight superiority is a myth! and (3) I have over my long driving career in many countries around the world have on occasion driven american cars and vans of all sizes and it has to be said that the build quality and reliability is questionable. it's not uncommon for a vehicles like the doblo with a the 1.9 TD multijet engine to do 200,000 miles with no more than its standard service intervals and another 100,000 miles without major engine problems. for me I found the reviewers fascination and constant references to the 0 to 60 stats particular entertaining, I don't think we are going to see it going off the line to the roar of the crowd anytime soon it's just a van.
7:50 false ... the rear seat in the Transit C. do not go into the floor like the Caravan. They simply make a higher flat platform if all the seat are fold , that why only about 75 pi2 is avalaible instead of 122 pi2 of max cargo , if you remove all the seat on the TC .
Joe Blo Sorry to say but the Transit Connect is superior to the PM City in every way. The TC brings a 2.5 Mazda based (bulletproof) non turbo engine as standard with the ecoboost an option. There is a long wheel base version, and it comes better equipped and more refined than the PMC. The engine in the PMC is the boat anchor 1.6 Fiat multiair which is found in the 500 and has well known documented issues. The transmission is also a clumsy slushbox which I find using more out of the overdrives because of its quirky, erratic shifting which makes the vehicle feel like a weedwhacker with loose throttle. It does make good use out of the cargo area and that is probably the only pro to the Promaster City.
The only engine for the US Promaster City is the Chrysler sourced 2.4L Tigershark engine built in the US. It does incorporate the Fiat designed Multiair technology in the head, but the rest is domestic Chrysler. It and the 9 speed automatic are built in the US then sent to Turkey for installation in the van. I cannot speak to how good or bad it is compared to the other motors because I just do not know. But it's not the same engine found in the Fiat 500. It was one of the multiple engine choices for the Dart and Chrysler 200. It's also used in some of the Jeep crossovers like the Renegade, Cherokee and Compass. Not used in the Wrangler or Grand Cherokee.
In Europe, the Doblo (same body) is used a lot for wheelchair conversions. They cut out the floor all the way from the back to just behind the front seats over the width of a wheelchair, and add a ramp that folds down once the rear doors are open. Because of this modification, the rear seats are replaced by a narrow single seat on either side of the wheelchair track, you get a smaller fuel tank, and the spare wheel has to be placed inside the vehicle. However, this is for the short wheelbase Doblo, which is shorter than the P/M City. Maybe they'd be able to keep the rear seat
How do you review a cargo van without going over the cargo area and how it is setup for holding cargo? There are a lot of holes in the walls. But i need to be able to tie down frieght.
I realize that it's function first but It's like they tried hard to make it extra ugly. I would have love to have seen that 4cyl operate up a long steep grade at maximum load capacity.
Too much comparing of "the average American minivan" - being much, much larger - to this. I can't imagine someone actually cross-shopping an Odyssey, Sienna, etc. with this more-compact van. Thorough reviews are appreciated, but, at 25 minutes, this is overkill.
I'm a fan of your format but you're graphically challenged. Leaving graphics on screen for so long is distracting. I've got annotations turned off anyway.
Sorry, but although there is great information here, the presenter speaks so fast - it's like he's used to selling low quality used cars to unsuspecting, gullible customers. Wanting to understand hat is being said - I had to stop the video every half a minute and even go back. Great information and a presenter that if couched how to share information rather than sell, sell, sell ... we'd have a winner
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Hi Alex. I have had my 2015 Promaster City Wagon SLT now for almost 10 months now. I purchased it new in June 2016. I have now had it long enough to have formed my opinion overall about it. My opinion matches closely with yours. The reasons I had for selecting this van very much still apply and it has lived up to my expectations in those areas quite well. I wanted a stylish, smaller van with a good usable amount of room in it with big doors, low step in height, chair like seating, seat up to 4 or 5 people, lots of head and elbow room, and a low load floor with enough cargo area height so I could easily put bulky items in the rear and get reasonably good fuel economy. It had to fit in a length limited parking space and be narrow enough to park in those narrow store spaces we now have where you cannot open your doors on a full size car or truck to get in or out of. The roof had to be low enough to fit in a standard house garage. Chrysler used to call that a 'garagable' van. The additional accessories I have purchased for the van are the factory screw in tow bar for the bumper so if necessary, I can hook a tow rope to the van. I also purchased the Ram factory rubber rear floor mat that has molded in openings for the factory cargo tie down hooks in the floor. I already had the receiver tow hitch for the factory tow package so I can pull a small trailer. It rides and drives just ok. Nothing special there except that the independent rear suspension really copes well with bumps encountered in corners which cause other vans and trucks to step sideways on. This one stays straight and doesn't get out of line. When you step on it, this van will scoot pretty good. It's no rocket, but it moves out much better than you would expect a 178 hp truck that weighs in at 3800 pounds to do. The big down side is the large throttle lag from the time you say let's go to when it says ok. It reminded me of the bad old days of the turbo lag you would get back in the 80's and 90's when you asked for power and there was a wait before it arrived. The transmission is not as smooth or responsive as it should be. It takes to long to react. Both the engine and transmission take to long to respond to your foot inputs. I have almost 5000 miles on the van now. I am averaging about 19 to 26 mpg per tank. Mostly in the 21.5 to 24.5 range. Mostly city, suburban driving with an occasional freeway jaunt.
As a note to help. My Courier business bought a 2016 Ram Pro City exactly a year ago. We've put 40K fairly easy miles on it and we now need a new motor because of oil consumption issues which apparently is a common problem. I was told by a Chrysler mechanic the van is, are you ready, made to turn off completely when low on oil. One of my Drivers said that it shut off twice both times on the highway. He was lucky enough to pull over to safety. We also just paid $1.200 to repair various items that included new sway bar linkages. Again, one year and 40k in well maintained ownership.
Yikes!
GM Dela Cruz - How often did you change the oil?
@@KZ-vs8ke every 5k with synthetic oil.
I run BG EPR and MOA. No more oil consumption, and it comes with some warranty. $6k of coverage. I drive about 600-800 miles a week.
@@KZ-vs8kehey! I recently picked up a 2017. How has your experience been? I hope I made a wise purchase
Best review of the Ram Promaster City on TH-cam (and I have watched quite a few!). Detailed and thorough.
I purchased this vehicle new as a 2019 model. Oil level would slowly go down, a total of 2 quarts over 3200 miles! A little research showed at least one lawsuit for the loss of oil shutting down the engine, creating a dangerous driving situation. As I wanted to do a road trip to visit family during this pandemic, I had a local shop perform an oil/filter change except with a heaver oil (5W30) V: 0W20. The oil was full synthetic. During the trip, I kept notes. Driving speeds were typically 70-80 MPH. Each evening, I check oil consumption. NO OIL LOSS! Total mileage at end of trip, 4800. No oil added whatsoever. I don't contribute weight of new oil making this change as much as the long, high speed engine burning itself in, as in sealing the rings. In the ensuing 8 months of my return, back to local driving, no additional oil loss.
Hey, I recently bought a 2017. How is/ was your experience with your City? I hope I made a good choice
@@cameroncrosby778 Solid on the oil....everything else, no issues. Fun to drive. Good luck
@@babarumraisin4863 oh man I’m so glad to hear that. I really hope this thing is better than the internet is trying to make it seem
@@cameroncrosby778 Rest easy!
I purchased a new 2015 Promaster City SLT 5 passenger wagon about a month ago. It meets my specific requirements. It's 188 inch length fits my short driveway, its 74 inch height allows it to fit in my garage and clear the open door. It's 72 inch width helps with today's skinny parking stalls while providing adequate 59 inch interior width for sufficient elbow room. It has a low step in and load floor height, a tall cargo area so I do not have to turn bulky items on their side, However, make sure you specify that the owners manual is supplied when you purchase it because it's not supplied standard. And you will need it to figure out how to use some of the features. Like how to turn on the parking lights (hint, there is no parking light setting on the headlight switch.), adjust the backlight (dimmer) on the dash (you have to turn on the headlights then uses some radio buttons!) and some other things. The 178 hp engine uses more RPM than I have been accustom to. It runs to about 6400 RPM when you step on it and that 9 speed automatic takes some getting used to to learn how to take best advantage of its capabilities with the engine. This van can scoot along pretty darn good if you want it to. The independent rear suspension really works on a washboard road that makes other vans dance around. The low hanging air dams under the front bumper like scraping on driveway aprons as you enter and leave parking lots. Just the way it is on many newer vehicles. Every newer car I have driven will do that. The only vehicle I drive regularly that does not do that is my 89 F150 pickup. This is not a Mustang. It's cornering limits are pretty modest. It could use more tire grip. Speaking of tires, there is no spare tire. Instead an air compressor with some flat fix goo in a can is supplied. If you want a spare you have to buy a spare tire kit and a jack kit from dealer parts. The spare tire kit includes the spare and the storage winch. The jack kit includes the jack and some jack tools and wheel chicks. Both are quite spendy. And not in inventory at my local dealer. Also at the present time, you will not find dealer or aftermarket support available for the Promaster City like you will for a Wrangler or Ram Pickup. I need some warranty parts for my mine which the spare part numbers do not exist yet. We will see how long it will take to get them. This is a stylish van. I like its looks and size. It's comfortable for me. The painted bumpers and alloy wheel and light options really add to its looks. It has a low stance that works. Mine has the factory mud flaps. They really do a good job protecting the lower body. It also has the factory tow package and the 4/7 pin wire harness. With that I may be able to replace my old pickup truck with a smallish utility trailer to haul dirty stuff. I do not need to haul heavy loads.
American Rambler I take it you purchased the SLT with fog lights and color coded bumpers? The tradesman does not have the same clearance issues you stated. Mine will not hang on parking blocks. Instead of going with the spare tire kit (which is useless) I opted instead to get run flat tires. I have an automotive business and acquired them, and installed them myself for about the same as what Fiatsler wants for their spare tire kit. Mine doesn't come with rear lights, and so I guess those other features would not apply to me. I did get an owners manual, and the transmission is probably the one thing I hate, and I know it's a grenade with a loose pin. Only a matter of time.
Lynx Star Automotive. The van I purchased is the SLT Wagon. It has all the options but 3. Those are: Backup Camera, Navigation and the Roof Rack. It has everything else. For navigation, I use my cell phone or iPad. With Bluetooth, the instructions come through the speakers and I like its navigation software better than the factory one. It's easier to use. I do not plan to carry anything on the roof. But I do miss the backup camera function. I use the fog lights from time to time. I like how they light up the immediate area around the front of the van and to the immediate side. Very helpful in dark wet areas not well marked at night. As far as I know, every PMC gets the same suspension, tires, shocks springs and brakes wheather it's a Tradesman 2 seater or the Wagon 5 seater in either the base or SLT trim. I have the heated seats, lumbar adjustment and the power rear windows in the sliding doors. I really like those. I use them much more than I thought I would.
What I like about my PMC Wagon. 1) Its size. 2) Head room! 3) Its big easy to use front doors. 4) Its looks. It looks better than the Transit Connect. 5) It does not have a 3rd row seat! 6) Tall cargo bay. 7) Its low step in height front and rear. 8) Its low cargo floor. 9) Its independent rear suspension. 10) Its seats are comfortable for me. Leg and elbow room. 11) Good purchase price for me. 12) it has a 9 speed automatic transmission instead of a CVT Or 5 or 6 speed. 13) Fits in my driveway. Most of the other vans I looked at were to long. 14) It comes with a factory tow package. I can tow small trailers. 15) Its just over 48 inches between the wheel wells. So 4 foot wide cargo fits flat on the floor. The floor is totally flat to the back of the folded rear seat. 16) installed factory tie down rings. 17) Overhead storage shelf. That thing is great! It spans the full width of the van above the windshield. And has room to actually store real stuff. 18) Big windshield and door windows. 19) it works for what I use it for. It's my preferred vehicle in our household.
Hey! I recently bought a 2017. How has your van held up? I hope I made a good choice.
Perfect Review! love all the details about what fits in it and how the back doors work!! you need to do one for the 2022!!
What problems have I had with my Promaster City SLT Wagon? 1) Trailer Tow Package Wiring. This was a recall repaired prior to delivery. 2) Drivers sun visor missing its parked position bump stops. Parcel shelf replaced under warranty. Could not get just the missing bumpers. 3) Repair non working drivers side sliding door power window. The window would not go up or down after opening and closing the door. The door power connector alignment was adjusted after delivery. Under warranty. This was identified prior to delivery but ran out of time to fix that day. 4) rear door weather stripping seal. 5) On trip in Hells Canyon dirt roads, found dust was getting in around the seal between the rear doors. Adjusted under warranty shortly after delivery. Another recall item was identified and repaired while the other warranty repairs were being worked. My local dealer has provided excellent support.
Awesome Detailed Review as always - talking about the things that really matter to car buyers. Still waiting on a Transit Connect Detailed Review (Passenger Wagon version, preferably) since no other reviewer wants to tackle it.
I have one. It’s a phenomenal little work truck. It’s unbelievable how much stuff you can carry in it and on it. I bought roof racks for it. The acceleration has always been choppy since the day I bought it. It doesn’t switch gears easily or smoothly. But it is good on gas. My biggest complaint is I can’t get a row of seats anywhere to place in back.
Hey! I just bought a 2017. How is/ was your experience with your PMC? I hope I made a good choice
Excellent review Alex. You give CR a run for their money in the thoroughness of your work. Very informative!
What design changes would I make? 1) this is the one that annoys me the most! Put a new modern design instrument cluster in the dash! The current one is pretty bad in function and visibility. 2) Change the remote key fob. The current one in a word, sucks. It jams in the ignition, will not stay closed in your pocket. So it keeps opening up and poking you in the leg. 3) Recalibrate the engine and transmission to improve initial responsiveness and eliminate the delay when you step on it. Get rid of the lag. 4) Increase front suspension travel. Mine bottoms out on the bump stops to easily. 5) Add rear disk brakes. 6) Add LED exterior lighting. 7) Tighten the turning circle. This van makes unexpectedly wide turns. Would help in tight parking lots and streets. 8) increase the range of motion for the power mirrors. Current ones do not adjust up and down or to the outside far enough. 9) Better road noise insulation. 10) Some features are currently available on the European Fiat Doblo version of this van and not the PMC. These are allready designed in so could be added to our vans without much trouble. I doubt any tooling would need to be changed. A) add the rear quarter panel window from the Doblo Maxi for the 5 seat Wagon models. The sheet metal quarter panels already exist and so does the glass. B) Add the forward fold down front passenger seat option. The backrest on the front seat can fold down flat. You could fold down the rear seat backrest on this Wagon, and then on the Tradesman and Wagon, fold down the front passenger seat backrest. That would allow you to items like boards up to 9 feet or more in the van and close the rear doors. This is already available on the European Doblo. No design change required. C) add the climate control option available on the European Doblo. No design change required.
This is the best review I’ve ever seen! Thank you!
To engage 9th gear drive up to 72mph and set cruise. Then hit the minus 2-4 times and itll engage 9th gear. Mostly works on flats. And cancel cruise when going down hill to keep 9th gear and press the rsm/cancel button again. Or repeat process.
I’ve been driving one for 90,000+ miles. It’s a company vehicle, and I would NEVER buy one personally. It’s spent WAY too much time in the shop. Parts have been hard to find, and it’s just left me stranded too many times. Also I never gotten more than 20 MPG city OR highway. I seriously doubt that you can haul any kind of a load and get good mileage.
I just bought one, really happy with it.
Having owned 7 vans alone during my driving life, I drove all 3 vehicles in this segment. I had been leaning toward the Ford, until I drove the Promaster City. It drove and handled more to my liking than the others, and had more than enough performance and hauling factors. Lastly, the Ford could be configured to price itself way out of my range, still had to be "custom ordered" to get things like split rear doors. I purchased a Ram configured very close to the one in this review, a 2015 set to clearance for a very attractive price. I've had it for over a month now, and believe I made the right call for myself. If anybody finds the 'Perfect" vehicle, well, it isn't. Please let me know.
+David Cardillo Pardon my rudeness, the review was Top Notch. I'd also like to add that I'm not particularly fond of Chryslers, now owning one since the K-car concept in the early 1980's, and having soured on the corporation at that time. My bias was overcome by experiencing this vehicle for my purposes.
amazing detailed video - Alex does his research and he drives the vehicles
Thanks so much. I run a food bank and need to purchase a new vehicle for pick ups. I plan to combined my new vehicle for my personal use and the food bank.
Base engine in the Transit Connect is a 2.5, not a 2.4. Great video as always!
Wow ! The very best detailed review ever.
I don't know why you only have 140k subscribers...you are awesome just got one from me. Keep up great work.
Great review. Too bad they do not make this passenger version any longer. Would make a great campervan.
If you get a Promaster City, make sure you get the factory installed backup camera. You will be glad you did. It's well worth the money they charge for it. I did not get it on mine. I will be correcting that mistake. Just have not decided on the one I want yet.
American Rambler interesting. Pretty much all the dealers in my area have the PMC with the rear camera. Even the tradesman trims. I have to be honest with you, never really pay it any mind. I use my mirrors and call it a day
I have not installed a backup camera yet. I am a big fat dude. So I sit tall in the seat and run it in the 2nd to the last notch to the rear setting. My problem with the existing mirrors is they run out of adjustment range of motion. I cannot pivot them to a position where they cover my blind spots to the rear and side as much as I would like. So it makes it very difficult to clear the right and left rear quarter when backing out of a parking stall or changing lanes to the right or left. For the left I can turn my head and look over my shoulder or if I am stopped, I can open the drivers door and move the mirror with the door frame to expose the area I want to look at. Backing up, the view out the rear windows is not all that good. The center door posts get in the way and the bottom of the window is to high. The mirrors respond to slow when you want to motor them around with the power adjusters. I cannot pivot them sideways far enough to see approaching people or vehicles.
There is also the RAM CV, which is a Caravan with a little heavier suspension and dedicated cargo configuration. It has a bit less payload capacity than ProMaster City but, as mentioned, can tow quite a bit more. The drawbacks to the CV are the lower fuel mileage and the rear hatch, which effectively prevents forklift loading. Of course both RAM CV and the Caravan go away later this year when the 2016 Town and Country comes out. The lower priced options in the Caravan line will not be offered with the new Town and Country. You would need to move to something like the ProMaster City or perhaps the Dodge Journey for lower cost people hauling.
Sadly the RAM CV is being canceled shortly. It won't exist as a 2016 model year.
Detailed and thorough. Thank you.
Would I buy another one. Yes. What would I change if I were to get one today? The only item I would spec differently would be sure to get the backup camera. Mine already has almost everything else. Mine is almost completely loaded with options. The navigation I could go either way. If it comes with it, fine, but I will not pay the extra price they want for it. My iPhone and iPad navigation apps work just fine and will connect to the media Bluetooth interface. I do not need the roof rack. Won't pay for that either. I would prefer it came with a jack and spare tire. I have yet to own a car or truck that did not get a flat tire I did not have to replace because it could not be inflated. My current PMC is the exception. It's still too new with not to many miles.
@7:13 how much does that sliding door window latch crack open? enough so that somebody can reach in and open the door open?
The areas I do not like in the PMC van are as follows. 1) The speedometer. You cannot read it much of the time. The lower side is difficult to see in the daylight and the numbers are too small and it's poorly lighted. It does not show up in regular day light. 2) Dash dimmer switch. You cannot adjust it without the ignition on and the engine not running. 3) No parking light setting on the head light switch. It's a bother to activate them. To many steps and conditions. 4) Intermittent windshield wiper setting is not adjustable. Or at least not without reading the owners manual. The passenger side front door will not activate the power lock function. That feature is not available in my van. No switch in the door. Drivers door or key fob only. 5) Front seat back rest adjustment. Angle is adjusted by a knob instead of a handle or lever. Very difficult to do while sitting in the seat. Hard to reach and hard to turn. 6) Door Handles! Surprise! This one doesn't bother me, but it causes problems for other people. People who ride in the van have problems opening the doors. The way the door handles work is not intuitive for them so they pull on them wrong and they do not respond to their inputs fully. They either do not release or release fully. It's not a smooth operation for them. Also, they have trouble finding and activating the trigger style release on the rear sliding doors. 7) rear cargo door catches. The rear doors open 90 degrees and step and are held in place by a detent. To release and open past 90 degrees is easy enough, but there is no resistance to hold them in position after that. They swing freely with nothing to hold them in place. Wind or gravity will push them around. It's very annoying. 8) rear cargo hook ring location. The rear tie down hooks at the rear of the van are less than 48 inches apart. Thus if you want to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood, you have to run your tie down straps through the tie down rings before you load the wood, because they will be covered up after you insert the load. You will need to leave the rear doors open because the load floor is less than 8 feet. And the rings are your only tie down location in back.
Such a good video. Honestly this is what I've been looking for. Thank you
Wow, great job Alex! Very thorough. Thanks for the review.
Is anything made by Fiat Chrysler reliable?
great review just picked up this van for my business very comfortable and great gas mileage !
Robert Gooch has it been reliable? Mine has definitely shown transmission issues.
Is it dead yet?
Either the driver or the passenger can rest their arm on the ultra-narrow single armrest between the seats. There's simply not enough room for both front occupants to have relaxed arms (nor backs, as a result). Flip a coin to decide who gets the aching back, I guess.
One of the best , always lots of info.
Best reviews online bar none
+CheekyMonkey888
Best reviews? Really?
They never showed it on the move...
νικος γιώργος You ve obviously never owned a Chrysler product
They don t actually move
+CheekyMonkey888
Never have never will, really liked your comment.
This vehicle even loaded down with a lot of weight has a lot of pickup. The accelerator is extremely touchy. I find I have to be extremely gentle on it when I pull out. Otherwise the front wheels slip on the road.
Wish this was available in Jamaica. Great review.
I know that in US, diesel is not so common, but it's so strange you can't get diesel engine. In the Fiat Doblò (the EU version of the ProMaster) diesel are the best engines, both for efficiency, performance and mileage, even when fully loaded with people\items. :p
Anyone have this van? How’s it be so far? Looking at a 2015 with 95km but want to know what I’m getting into first before buying it?
How’s yall experience with them?
Promaster City Wagon SLT crashability. This was one I would have preferred not to find out about. How tough is the van in a crash? Well it's no tank. On Christmas Eve, a 1st gen Dodge Durango made a left turn in front of me at a traffic light. Unfortunately there was not quite enough room to stop before impact. I T-boned him in the right front wheel and fender. I hit him hard enough that I pushed him sideways about 10 feet +/- . No air bags popped but I could feel things bending in the front end during impact. Felt kind of like squeezing a Cush ball. Sounded like a soft bang followed by some stuff rattling around inside the van. All the cargo straps I had stored in the package shelf above the rear wheels flew forward, hit the backrest on the front seats and landed on the rear seat or floorboards. The front end was a mess. The hood was buckled up quite a bit, both front fenders bent and buckled, the grill smashed, both headlight lenses broken, bumper cover mangled, the bumper structure bent and pushed into the radiator, it pushed back to the exhaust manifold on the engine. Lost the coolant. The right passenger front fender was up against the door edge so it was binding on the door when we went to open it. I went away on a flatbed tow truck. The Durango drove home. Those things are tough. It did not look like it was hardly damaged. He drove home. It took 3 months and about $13,500 dollars to fix my van. I got it back at the end of March. I am driving it now. Cannot tell it was ever hit. I can tell because some parts look just a bit different that what came on the van under the hood. But except for about 2, they are all Fiat Chrysler parts. About the only non Chrysler parts were the headlights. And they have a better warranty than the OEM FCA parts. They did a very good job. The warranty is a lifetime repair. If anything on the repair fails, they fix it for as long as I own the van.
Very good, thorough video
Your reviews are awesome....
By the way, I LOVE the table of contents idea. Never seen that before on youtube. Nice.
Works for me. Not sure why it wouldn't for you.
I'll buy one when there's a v6
This was a d*mn good review of the vehicle. I sat in this vehicle at the dealer today with a salesperson. I liked the inside, but not the leg room. I did not like the front bumper and plastic fairing hanging low to the ground. I do not like the departure angle, as the roadway dips at typical driveways is terribly steep in the city where I drive. I am not prepared to pay $ 25,000+ for a Fiat. The sticker-price was $ 27,000
on the model I sat in, and it was not the wagon version. Not having a tow package and spare tire for that price is just ridiculous. It would be cheaper, better and more practical to get a Honda Ridgeline and weld a roof over the bed.
I did not buy due to the lack of leg-room
How does it handle in the winter snow & ice?
It is front wheel drive so that helps a lot with weight over those wheels. Some concern about ground clearance as it low for snow drifts. Euro vehicles seem to handle well in snow and ice conditions.
very nice...will it fit a motorcycle into it?
How does this compare to my rusty GMC Vandura?
Best review, about time.
QNX is pronounced "cue-nix." It is a play on "UNIX."
Very good
i looked on your website and it said you wre gonna do the 2015 Buick Encore but you already did the Encore were there any changes between when you last reviewed it and 2015 model?
No, but since the Encore came out we have more options in this arena like the Renegade, Trax and HR-V. The Encore video was also an older cheesier video and with the time since that review I have started to wonder if it was as good as I remember. Sometimes it's good to circle back around.
Do you have a Ford Transit Connect Wagon XLT review? ?
I like the way the City look, not that the Connect is bad looking, it has a very muscular stand.
What about the ram c/v has divider and metal windows in back . And much cheeper . With v6
680ecks you can add a partition here too. This vehicle just makes access to your cargo much easier than the CV oh and no windows
My testing is real world 30k as a work van. All I can say is, Its Crap! I had one of these for my work van. company payed for everything so that's all cool. BUT its a Fiat, not a Ram. The 9 speed is so bad ! it never can make up its mind! It also is crap for MPGs mixed 21mpg. I also had several break downs in 30k. is it "quick!" NOO A 2005 corolla has more go juice! the Only good thing I can say, its good for putting stuff in! But thats about all it does good. HATED driving that van, but if was free so whatever. Also NOTE if you'er over 6' don't buy the van with the cage you will not fit! My sum up ITS a POS shop other vans.
ChrisSoCalm -this Promaster City looks waaaaaaaay better than the transit. It’s reminiscent of the original panel vans from a hundred years ago. Super stylish
@ChrisSoCalm Older work vans had V8 and where based off truck platforms..Thats what I expect! to get 21MPG you drive like your 80 years old. I Had work to do, no time for old man driving!
@@kingofepicvlogs4666 HAHAHA NOPE
14:06 - Stop sign in the middle of nowhere?
sic22l Teeny-tiny one-lane road section.
some city councilman owns the adjacent lot and plans to put a taco stand there. Until he does.. beware of cops and lizards.
on the hole a really informative review on what is after all only a rebadged Fiat Doblo. with a wierd name (Tigershark) tacked on to the fiat/alfa MultiAir engine. it's not quite right what is said about a seven seat configuration, the doblo has had a seven seat version for over twenty years in Mk 1/2/and 3 models but it looks like it's not something you are getting in the u.s. + the u.s. has some way to go on those performance figures too! if I got any less than 45 mpg round town I'd take it to the fiat dealer and ask for my money back. fiat doblo family (7 seater) Fuel Consumption EC Combined 47.9 MPG, EC Extra Urban 55.4 MPG, EC Urban 47.9 MPG, DOHC 4 Cylinder IN-LINE Engine Layout Front Transverse, Fuel Delivery COMMON RAIL, 6 SPEED Transmission MANUAL, 135 bhp (246 lb·ft) tq. with a range of 746 miles you can drive cost to cast across the u.s.a. on only four tanks of fuel. as for comparing this to a larger van such as the Chevy Astro as in a previous comment, there is no comparison to be made (1) they are two different sizes of van (2) vans like the Chevy Astro and similar with their out of date engines that give poor power return for the fuel they consume can barely managed to squeeze 190 bhp out of a 4.3 L power unit that is 2.26 times bigger than most modern turbo diesel engine for only 55 bhp more! this is not surprising considering most of the technology in engines of this type comes from the 1970's and 80's so their power to weight superiority is a myth! and (3) I have over my long driving career in many countries around the world have on occasion driven american cars and vans of all sizes and it has to be said that the build quality and reliability is questionable. it's not uncommon for a vehicles like the doblo with a the 1.9 TD multijet engine to do 200,000 miles with no more than its standard service intervals and another 100,000 miles without major engine problems. for me I found the reviewers fascination and constant references to the 0 to 60 stats particular entertaining, I don't think we are going to see it going off the line to the roar of the crowd anytime soon it's just a van.
+robert josele I have one and it's great
7:50 false ... the rear seat in the Transit C. do not go into the floor like the Caravan. They simply make a higher flat platform if all the seat are fold , that why only about 75 pi2 is avalaible instead of 122 pi2 of max cargo , if you remove all the seat on the TC .
Joe Blo Sorry to say but the Transit Connect is superior to the PM City in every way. The TC brings a 2.5 Mazda based (bulletproof) non turbo engine as standard with the ecoboost an option. There is a long wheel base version, and it comes better equipped and more refined than the PMC. The engine in the PMC is the boat anchor 1.6 Fiat multiair which is found in the 500 and has well known documented issues. The transmission is also a clumsy slushbox which I find using more out of the overdrives because of its quirky, erratic shifting which makes the vehicle feel like a weedwhacker with loose throttle. It does make good use out of the cargo area and that is probably the only pro to the Promaster City.
The only engine for the US Promaster City is the Chrysler sourced 2.4L Tigershark engine built in the US. It does incorporate the Fiat designed Multiair technology in the head, but the rest is domestic Chrysler. It and the 9 speed automatic are built in the US then sent to Turkey for installation in the van. I cannot speak to how good or bad it is compared to the other motors because I just do not know. But it's not the same engine found in the Fiat 500. It was one of the multiple engine choices for the Dart and Chrysler 200. It's also used in some of the Jeep crossovers like the Renegade, Cherokee and Compass. Not used in the Wrangler or Grand Cherokee.
According to this guy the pro master city is almost as good as a ford transit connect if you don't mind it not being as good as a Dodge Caravan.
Is there anything worst than a caravan?
Have you ever seen any wheelchair conversions of this van?!!!!
In Europe, the Doblo (same body) is used a lot for wheelchair conversions.
They cut out the floor all the way from the back to just behind the front seats over the width of a wheelchair, and add a ramp that folds down once the rear doors are open.
Because of this modification, the rear seats are replaced by a narrow single seat on either side of the wheelchair track, you get a smaller fuel tank, and the spare wheel has to be placed inside the vehicle.
However, this is for the short wheelbase Doblo, which is shorter than the P/M City.
Maybe they'd be able to keep the rear seat
Thanks man! So good!
Good job!!!
Do you (or any viewers) happen to know of any minivans have a comprable **interior** cargo height?
It’s a Fiat Doblo
This looks like a French van or an Italian
How do you review a cargo van without going over the cargo area and how it is setup for holding cargo? There are a lot of holes in the walls. But i need to be able to tie down frieght.
dude if you drank every time you said connect i would be plastered.
He lost me at “Fiat”
I realize that it's function first but It's like they tried hard to make it extra ugly. I would have love to have seen that 4cyl operate up a long steep grade at maximum load capacity.
Looks like a Peugeot to me
Why are you talking about minivans
Who sales ram
This is a Fiat Qubo. Or whatever it's called...
Too much comparing of "the average American minivan" - being much, much larger - to this. I can't imagine someone actually cross-shopping an Odyssey, Sienna, etc. with this more-compact van. Thorough reviews are appreciated, but, at 25 minutes, this is overkill.
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ok half way you are long winded. see ya
I'm a fan of your format but you're graphically challenged. Leaving graphics on screen for so long is distracting. I've got annotations turned off anyway.
DO NOT BUY. real piece of work. Made in Turkey.
Sorry, but although there is great information here, the presenter speaks so fast - it's like he's used to selling low quality used cars to unsuspecting, gullible customers. Wanting to understand hat is being said - I had to stop the video every half a minute and even go back. Great information and a presenter that if couched how to share information rather than sell, sell, sell ... we'd have a winner