MY dad said that John Deere and International Harvester after WW2 took their war profits and used it to floorplan their dealerships... they built a great dealership network...My grandfather, dad and my uncles opened an BF Avery dealership in 1949 and with the acquisition of BFAvery by Minneapolis Moline became a MM dealer but they closed the dealership in mid to late 50,'s primarily because when they ordered a tractor they had to pay for it in 30 days. Whereas John Deere and IHC could hold a unit for 6 months before having to pay. So they could stock more units.. plus had time to make sales.. John Deere and IHC were building a loyal dedicated clientele of Customers... both with franchisees and end users
It seems MM struggled from the 50s to the 70s when the brand was phased out. Moline made some good machines. So did Oliver. You are 100% correct that the other brands similar did not have the string dealership network to grow theirs sales.
I love how AGCO talked about being proud of the fact that their business model was to buy the brands but keep the branding. It wasn't too long after that video was made that they got rid of the Allis and White brands. Now it's all mostly MF.
I really like this video. I buy almost all Agco equipment and have never regretted it. I grew up on Massey Ferguson tractors, still running them today. The Massey /Hesston large square baler is the best there is...
I also grew up on Massey Ferguson tractors My dad started out in 1952 with a Allis and a Ford 9n. Then he switch to Massey Ferguson's the first two he bought was a MF35 and MF 65 then he had a 135, 165. a175, then a 255 , 265, 275 ,285 my favorite. Then he had a 461 and a 471. Today my older brother owns my dad's 471 and a brother in law owns my dad's old 255. Today I have a Massey Ferguson 3070 and a IMT 539 and a John Deere 5320 . The Massey 3070 is my favorite
@@donaldthomas5852 The IMT is very interesting. Is this model a three or four cylinder, based on the MF35 or 65 respectively? I remember my 1979 MF590 tractor’s Perkins engine having an inlet manifold [and probably many other parts] made by IMT. Later 600 series tractors had their UK-style automatic trailer hitches made by another licensee, Ursus of Poland. I’m almost certain that many components used in the 1970’s Coventry factory, on the last 100, the 200, 500 and 4200/4300 were actually made by these companies and their Pakistani and Indian licensees, Millat and TAFE respectively.
I respect your comment, you have been around them all, so you should know. I've cut with jd, case, and lexion, The S88 Gleaner out performs all of them in every category. By the way I love your videos, you are so professional.
Massey Ferguson was very popular in Canada. We used Massey Ferguson on our farm. I still remember the controversy here in Canada when AGCO bought Massey Ferguson. It was big news here. Since then, pretty much every farmer switched to CASE. Today, John Deere is the leader in sales.
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Crazy, I am 50, and I remember Gleaner, Case , JD, Oliver , Case and IH all by themselves. And our neighbor was the “Weird farmer” with White products.
I am in my 40s and like you I removed all those brands at dealers and on farms. I grew up 7 miles from my home town and there 7 dairy farms on the way to down. Almost every one was totally loyal to one brand. There was an all Ford farm, all J.I. Case farm, all Allis-Chalmers farm, all Massey farm, all IH farm. Two big grain farms were loyal as well. One was all John Deere and the other Oliver and Steiger. I sure wish I could go back in time and film at those farms. Today only the John Deere, Oliver farm now John Deere and Steiger and the IH farm are still going.
I love how they write history to suit their marketing scheme. Duetz sold off Duetz -Allis because they grossly overestimated the market in north America. Duetz bought Allis Chalmers then destroyed the product and dealer net work by ramming the underbuilt German tractor on the north American farmer. Destroyed the 3rd best selling line of tractors in America by disposing of the complete line. Destroyed the most popular conventional combine and forced an air cooled rotary into a market that didn't want it. Took the orange paint and threw it out forcing the line in duetz green, even threatening to paint the Gleaner slime green. Once they completely destroyed their market they dumped it off to Radcliff and investors. Agcos growth has been only by acquisitions not by gaining market share. They're an embarrassment to the name Allis Chalmers, and thankfully they quit using the Allis name. Thumbs up for the video, Thumbs down for the propaganda from Agco
I remember our dealer during and after the deutz mess. Their entire parts lot was burnt up air cooled deutz Gleaners. Took them a while to convince the country to become silver again. Now there's a cat dealer in its place and they refuse to carry anything besides cat. You'll be hard pressed to find anything agco up here(unless it's pre deutz). Apparently people learned their lesson. Since you seem to know somethings on Allis, what ever happened to their tractors since deutz didn't buy them or West Allis, just Gleaner and Independence? And there was a few ugly green fire starters...
@@J-1410 What happened to the Allis tractors? Deutz didn't buy the west Allis factory, or Harvey engine plant. They ran the line until the parts already made were depleted then stopped production. The engineering and drawings were hauled to the landfill, the molds were destroyed and the machines were taken out and shipped to mexico, so there was 0 chance the great Allis Chalmers tractor could be made again. Deutz plan was to destroy the Allis Chalmers legacy at all cost. They announced after the merger that the tractors and combines were still going to be made just rebadged deutz-allis, even printed a landhandler magazine to tell everyone it was business as usual, while they already had started destroying the line. At the time deutz stopped supplying the parts for Allis Chalmers was just running out the parts inventory and jacked the parts prices to discourage anyone from keeping an Allis Chalmers. The only credit I'll give Agco is when they took over they knew parts meant cash flow, so they lowered the prices on started restocking the parts chain again to keep the Allis Chalmers equipment running. I went through the Gleaner plant in Independence after Agco bought them, took a tour but seen no parts being made for the conventional combines, I asked the guy from Agco where those parts were manufactured his reply was we don't build anything to support conventional gleaners they need to buy a rotary. I left the plant and my next combine was a New Holland
@@J-1410 To give you an idea of how badly the Germans over estimated their ability, at the time I worked for the the largest Allis Chalmers dealer east of the Mississippi, new and used Gleaners their peak was a 120 machines a year, 45 8000 series and 60 6000 series tractors per year. After Allis Chalmers closed the Gleaners saless dropped to 1 new and about 5 used machines, and in the whole run of the 9000 series tractors, the green and orange they sold 3 total. Thankfully the owner had bought out the CaseIH dealership before Deutz destroyed Allis Chalmers, keeping the dealership going.
@@RJ1999x Thanks. I didn't know if whatever is the heir of AC just kept the plans and molds(etc) and they are just sitting in a warehouse some where or what... The conventional part is untrue(now days ) as we have gotten new style and production parts for our L2 and L3, just you have to find a dealer willing to carry them. We'll probably run them until they fall apart, as no one makes a conventional combine anymore.
Thanks for another impressive video! An excellent Tractor and Harvester! I know lot of information to your video's! I really appreciate to making this video's! Many thanks for making this video's!. Have a wonderful weekend!
Our youth should really learn where our food supply comes from. Before I retired in 2010 some kids would pass me on my 46 Farmall B and didn't know what a tractor was.
They destroyed the A.C. name brand when they bought it. Local A.C. dealer was shut down when he refused to take 8 tractors he did not want or could sale. AGRO Declared we are shipping you 8 100 +hp tractors and we want our money in 90 days. Some compete idiots decide his sales area need tractors that size. He knew he could never sale them and turn a profit so he said no. They shut him down and lost sales on everything. We went from Gleaner on almost every farm for 50 miles to zero in less than 5 years. When asked what tractors we had at trade show we told aggro JD because we sold all our A.C. tractors because of the crap support and lack of dealrships. We told them how badly they marketing screwed by destroying the dealer network trying to sell tractors that did not fit into what farmers in our area wanted.
It’s very unfortunate what happens to Allis-Chalmers. Ultimately what destroyed Allis was the farm economy of the late 70’s and early 80’s. High 19% interest rates crippled sales. AC ag fell apart in 1979 Sperry-New Holland sold $1 billion in hay and forage tools where AC had $300 million in sales. AC was falling behind. Money ran out and Allis decided to sell its ag division. Allis-Chalmers built hundreds of products outside of farming. Deutz bout Allis ag. Yes Deutz really messed up dropping the orange paint. AGCO picked up the pieces and it corrected the corse. Allis-Chalmers remained its own company in 1990 and AGCO could not use the AC name. The AC tractor line was gone so AGCO had to use WHItE to build tractors. AC lost allot of market and it did not come back but AGCO was able to build new markets through new brands plus supply parts of the range of brands it owned. It’s a negative thing that AC is gone but AGCO grew into a much bigger company based on the foundation of AC.
I'm just getting my teeth cut working on agriculture equipment for AGCO I've not seen any tractors come in with engine issues. Every other component may have its foibles but that magnificent Sisu seems to be flawless.
Thank you for posting. It's too bad some of the names of those great companies like Allis Chalmers, Oliver Minneapolis Moline and New Idea have faded away into the history book forever. Not farm equipment but soon Chrysler and Dodge will be history as well.
thank you so much for posting this video. the history portion answered many questions. agco’s multibrand approach is extremely interesting to me. i work in an industry where an acquired firm’s brand name rarely survives (e.g. Sikorsky helicopter name survived.).
What they did was true at the time but in the years since more of the brands shown in this video have been done away with and a lot of the smaller companys that they bought that were small didn't even make it through the purchase before the name was gone
Nice video now make a follow up on how many brands they have got rid of and how many dealers they have done away with. when they took over almost every company show here had a dealer with in 25 miles of where i live now the one agco dealer that is even close is 70 plus miles away. Anyone else seen this?
The part where you talked about the Gleaner combine showing an S 97 ..do you have any previous footage of that machine?..I might of missed it..that’s a nice machine!!!
i love this video. im from Kansas and the Hesston AGCO plant is something we're proud of. My grandfather always had an affinity for Allis-Chalmers tractors and almost bought a brand new one as his first tractor in the 50s but was swayed by his dad to buy a used John Deere because it was a green farm (and still is under my cousin.) This history is so very neat.
I wonder how AGCO was able to buy up all these company without there being any kind of push back from the governments, I know in the US alone if two competing companies wish to merge its a nightmare and a absolute headache to achieve it for fear of creating a monopoly
Most of the brands acquired by AGCO were in bankruptcy or near shuttering. AGCO bought up short line brands to build a full line company. The government gets more involved if a company is taking up to much market share. For example in 1986 John Deere made a bid to Versatile for its 4wd line. The combined company’s would have had more than 50% market share and the bid was given to Ford because they were not in the 4wd tractor market. In 1999 when Fiat the owner of Ford New Holland acquired Case IH to form CNH they controlled New Holland hay tools , Case IH Hesston hay tools, New Holland Versatile 4wds and Case IH Steiger 4wds and New Holland Genesis tractors and Case IH Magnum tractors. In the CNH case one of each brand had to be spun off.
I found this very interesting I am a 86 year old going back to the horse, then my father buying a new ACWC in 1937 . At 4 years old I was sitting on the tool box where ever My father went. after 4 years in the Airforce during the Korean war, I came home to farm with my father, buying the last 2 clynd.JD 630. But the Lord had other things for me. so spent flying for and starting flight programs for a mission. But as the old saying goes," you can take the boy of the farm but can't take the farm out of the farm". This was the very best story of how many of these companies merged together, as i well remember most of these when they were first showing up on the farm market. **************for this presentation. Jim ferguson
Great video. As I was watching, I thought about how awesome it would be if Fiat saw how successful this strategy was and followed suit by making IH and Case as stand alone brands again. A highly unlikely pipe dream, I know.
Doesn't agco own GSI now as well? I live in Taylorville Illinois. GSI has a factory here in town and a 2nd factory about 15 miles down the road in Assumption Illinois.
Interesting video. I was growing up when all this started back in the day. What is interesting is looking at just AGCO, in general the only info easily found is simply the aquisitions of the bigger companies mostly starting when the actual AGCo name came to be. But there were SO MANY little companies, a lot of them fairly specialized, that were consolidated either by AGCo, or were picked up by other companies right before AGCo bought them that the list of ALL the companies under the AGCo nameplate is simply immense. I remember in the late 80's reading about companies that produced only one or two items, sometimes just cultivators or spring tooth drags etc getting aquired by Hesston, or New Idea, or White, etc. Then AGCo came by and bought up those companies. It is really hard to find a good list nowdays, a google search of any of the "AGCo brands" doesn;t really show their history very well, mostly just links to stuff about AGCo itself. I suppose that's a product of our modern global economy and merged up megacorps. But it is a shame in a way that all that "little guy" history is so hard to find. Sort of like how AGCo doesn't seem to like talking about how they own the Oliver nameplate, or MM. Those old companies get treated as irrelevant in today's market, and that's really too bad. But as the saying goes, nothing stays the same.
AGCO was built on multiple brands but in 2006 they began to consolidate the brands. Same machinery but painted in “key” brand colors. AGCO has a cool history and great brands but by 2006 as the company was rapidly growing it changed course. AGCO’s primary competitors are John Deere and Case IH. The top 2 brands are one solid color and AGCO has progressed to be core brands to match the other big two.
@@bigtractorpower Ratlif retired, and everything changed. since then everyone around here left agco and went to IH, as when brands got consolidated(under massey) and parts discontinued, everyone left, and Gleaner was left, until red massey-gleaners started showing up online. We're the only ones who run Gleaners anymore in my area. They may have a good machine, but people got burnt by massey bad(from combines, to the 2000 series transmission issues), and many vowed to never go back to it. Perhaps they have a plan, but it sure isn't working or looking good up here. Also would have helped if they would have backed the brands they are named after: Allis Chalmers and Gleaner.
I would love to do the Ford/New Holland story. My issue at this time is finding the classic blue machines to film. I get to see the new NH T8, T9 tractors and the CR combines. Unfortunately I have not been able to find the classic Fords, Sperry New Holland’s, Versatiles and early New Holland’s like I would like too to tell a complete story. I am always looking so as I get the blue machines filmed I will be able to make the history video.
Now I understand why some brands haven’t merged because sales recognition. For AGCO to grow it need to build better dealerships that can train farmers in handling n understanding of their products. Some AGCO products have high cost to their spare parts compared to CNH. I do see GSI playing bigger part maybe other farm related products been brought by AGCO for total farm solution. Great vid BTP👍👍
I know what they have done but they need to take the A out of there name .They retained none of the great Allis Chalmers heritage. And soon I think Gleaner will be an afterthought as the new Fendt Dream or what it is called will replace Gleaner.
I agree with the statement that the dealer creates a client base and people stick with the dealer not the equipment. Our massey dealer honers the warranty, never a fight🤘🤘
Yes. I hope to do 60 years of John Deere 4wds this year. I need to find an 8850, 60 and 70 series to film to complete that story. I want to do 60 years of Steiger. I need to find a series I, a green Series II and a 9300 series to complete that story.
AGCO’s relationship with TAFE is worth exploring, especially the relative financial strength of both companies. Also, in your summary of the video there are hay mowers shown which are a result of buying and re-branding Fella hay products of Germany. Later on they also buy the Lely grass machinery business as Lely exits to concentrate on robotic dairy cow management. Lely included the Welger round baler business which at last has brought some stability to AGCO’s implement businesses, at least in Europe. Let’s not forget Valtra either, bought partly to get back into the engine manufacturing business but also adding another exclusive line of tractors which are gaining market share steadily.
AGCO has an impressive history. It is hard to link all the brands world wide. It is a challenge to track down and film the 22 brands that are part of AGCO’s history in North America.
They are built near Albion, NY. I had a chance to tour their factory in 2003. I plan to start a video series on veggie harvesters. There are lots of interning machines like this Shuknecht out there.
I'm a fan of AGCO and their brands, so I always enjoy these videos highlighting their history along with the "then versus now" comparison. There does seem to be a fair bit of disdain due to their phase-out of the Allis name and the orange paint, but their quality has continually improved and I feel they made a strategically smart decision by focusing on Massey Ferguson. MF seems to have a global presence that dwarfs the presence Allis-Chalmers ever had (globally; too many people get hung up on the North American market only), and they had so many brands under their belt that consolidation was badly needed. They have a smart portfolio in NA now with Massey (full line, consumer and prosumer brand), Challenger (commercial use brand), and Fendt (the "Cadillac"). You still see some co-branding, such as Hesston by Massey Ferguson, which works well, in my opinion. And in the last few years they have really been pushing the envelope with features and technology, which I sincerely hope will gain them some serious market share. Their only weakness in my eyes are the dealer network in NA; that is the biggest issue I see, and one where John Deere really dominates the market. Just my two cents; great video!
Great post. I am an Allis fan and miss orange but Allis helped build AGCO as a foundation and built a company 8 times bigger than AC was. Hart-Parr coined the term tractor in 1903 and had a loyal following. In 1929 Hart-Padd the original tractor became Oliver. I bet there were loyal Hart-Parr owners that thought what’s this Oliver. Oliver grew and grew and eventually became White Farm Equipment which then became part of AGCO. Unfortunately time changes things but AGCO has progressed and grown and has nearly 30 years of its own history now.
Awesome! Love all the old videos. I wonder which ag-manufacturer buyout Ratcliffe was referencing when he was talking about the brand consolidation - Case buying IH, or Fiat buying Ford?
Awesome video. i love history. Where i live in central Minnesota Agco isn't as popular. it was great hearing the history behind the company. i am looking forward to future videos about their products. thanks for doing this.
Thank you for watching. There is a ton of history to cover with AGCO. This video is just the basics. I hope to find more AGCO machines to film to tell more of the detailed story.
Cracking video. Very informative. First tractor I ever drove was my grandfathers T20. There's such a resurgence in the vintage stuff especially here in Ireland.
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AGCO is a amazing brand but my grandfather wished they never quit making Oliver tractors
White is to blame for the end production of Oliver, Minneapolis Moline, Cockshutt
@@Ihfarmer23 its too bad they did that but white did a pretty good job later on
@@Dirtanddieselphotography I agree I just don't agree with white getting rid of 3 pretty successful farm equipment manufacturers
great job of explaining AGCO thank you for your hard work and research
MY dad said that John Deere and International Harvester after WW2 took their war profits and used it to floorplan their dealerships... they built a great dealership network...My grandfather, dad and my uncles opened an BF Avery dealership in 1949 and with the acquisition of BFAvery by Minneapolis Moline became a MM dealer but they closed the dealership in mid to late 50,'s primarily because when they ordered a tractor they had to pay for it in 30 days. Whereas John Deere and IHC could hold a unit for 6 months before having to pay. So they could stock more units.. plus had time to make sales.. John Deere and IHC were building a loyal dedicated clientele of Customers... both with franchisees and end users
It seems MM struggled from the 50s to the 70s when the brand was phased out. Moline made some good machines. So did Oliver. You are 100% correct that the other brands similar did not have the string dealership network to grow theirs sales.
I love how AGCO talked about being proud of the fact that their business model was to buy the brands but keep the branding. It wasn't too long after that video was made that they got rid of the Allis and White brands. Now it's all mostly MF.
That Massey Combine with the flag is so awesome
I really like this video. I buy almost all Agco equipment and have never regretted it. I grew up on Massey Ferguson tractors, still running them today. The Massey /Hesston large square baler is the best there is...
Very cool. I like Massey tractors and Hesston hay equipment.
I also grew up on Massey Ferguson tractors My dad started out in 1952 with a Allis and a Ford 9n. Then he switch to Massey Ferguson's the first two he bought was a MF35 and MF 65 then he had a 135, 165. a175, then a 255 , 265, 275 ,285 my favorite. Then he had a 461 and a 471. Today my older brother owns my dad's 471 and a brother in law owns my dad's old 255. Today I have a Massey Ferguson 3070 and a IMT 539 and a John Deere 5320 . The Massey 3070 is my favorite
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The IMT is very interesting. Is this model a three or four cylinder, based on the MF35 or 65 respectively? I remember my 1979 MF590 tractor’s Perkins engine having an inlet manifold [and probably many other parts] made by IMT. Later 600 series tractors had their UK-style automatic trailer hitches made by another licensee, Ursus of Poland. I’m almost certain that many components used in the 1970’s Coventry factory, on the last 100, the 200, 500 and 4200/4300 were actually made by these companies and their Pakistani and Indian licensees, Millat and TAFE respectively.
Great video, Agco has a lot of good products and dealers, with the Gleaner combine being it's best product.
I think Gleaner is the best combine in the market today.
I respect your comment, you have been around them all, so you should know. I've cut with jd, case, and lexion, The S88 Gleaner out performs all of them in every category. By the way I love your videos, you are so professional.
Massey Ferguson was very popular in Canada. We used Massey Ferguson on our farm. I still remember the controversy here in Canada when AGCO bought Massey Ferguson. It was big news here. Since then, pretty much every farmer switched to CASE. Today, John Deere is the leader in sales.
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Awesome video on AGCO!
I left farming in 1990 so this was mostly new news to me.
Thank you for watching. Farming sure has changed allot. When I was born there were 7 major tractor brands now there are 4.
Crazy, I am 50, and I remember Gleaner, Case , JD, Oliver , Case and IH all by themselves. And our neighbor was the “Weird farmer” with White products.
I am in my 40s and like you I removed all those brands at dealers and on farms. I grew up 7 miles from my home town and there 7 dairy farms on the way to down. Almost every one was totally loyal to one brand. There was an all Ford farm, all J.I. Case farm, all Allis-Chalmers farm, all Massey farm, all IH farm. Two big grain farms were loyal as well. One was all John Deere and the other Oliver and Steiger. I sure wish I could go back in time and film at those farms. Today only the John Deere, Oliver farm now John Deere and Steiger and the IH farm are still going.
My dad still had a 1370 White he bought new in the 70s that he uses all the time. It’s green so I think it is a rebranded Oliver
I'm still confused why are challenger combines made by Claas???
I love how they write history to suit their marketing scheme. Duetz sold off Duetz -Allis because they grossly overestimated the market in north America. Duetz bought Allis Chalmers then destroyed the product and dealer net work by ramming the underbuilt German tractor on the north American farmer. Destroyed the 3rd best selling line of tractors in America by disposing of the complete line. Destroyed the most popular conventional combine and forced an air cooled rotary into a market that didn't want it. Took the orange paint and threw it out forcing the line in duetz green, even threatening to paint the Gleaner slime green. Once they completely destroyed their market they dumped it off to Radcliff and investors. Agcos growth has been only by acquisitions not by gaining market share. They're an embarrassment to the name Allis Chalmers, and thankfully they quit using the Allis name.
Thumbs up for the video,
Thumbs down for the propaganda from Agco
I remember our dealer during and after the deutz mess. Their entire parts lot was burnt up air cooled deutz Gleaners. Took them a while to convince the country to become silver again. Now there's a cat dealer in its place and they refuse to carry anything besides cat. You'll be hard pressed to find anything agco up here(unless it's pre deutz). Apparently people learned their lesson.
Since you seem to know somethings on Allis, what ever happened to their tractors since deutz didn't buy them or West Allis, just Gleaner and Independence?
And there was a few ugly green fire starters...
@@J-1410 What happened to the Allis tractors? Deutz didn't buy the west Allis factory, or Harvey engine plant. They ran the line until the parts already made were depleted then stopped production. The engineering and drawings were hauled to the landfill, the molds were destroyed and the machines were taken out and shipped to mexico, so there was 0 chance the great Allis Chalmers tractor could be made again.
Deutz plan was to destroy the Allis Chalmers legacy at all cost. They announced after the merger that the tractors and combines were still going to be made just rebadged deutz-allis, even printed a landhandler magazine to tell everyone it was business as usual, while they already had started destroying the line. At the time deutz stopped supplying the parts for Allis Chalmers was just running out the parts inventory and jacked the parts prices to discourage anyone from keeping an Allis Chalmers. The only credit I'll give Agco is when they took over they knew parts meant cash flow, so they lowered the prices on started restocking the parts chain again to keep the Allis Chalmers equipment running. I went through the Gleaner plant in Independence after Agco bought them, took a tour but seen no parts being made for the conventional combines, I asked the guy from Agco where those parts were manufactured his reply was we don't build anything to support conventional gleaners they need to buy a rotary. I left the plant and my next combine was a New Holland
@@J-1410 To give you an idea of how badly the Germans over estimated their ability, at the time I worked for the the largest Allis Chalmers dealer east of the Mississippi, new and used Gleaners their peak was a 120 machines a year, 45 8000 series and 60 6000 series tractors per year. After Allis Chalmers closed the Gleaners saless dropped to 1 new and about 5 used machines, and in the whole run of the 9000 series tractors, the green and orange they sold 3 total. Thankfully the owner had bought out the CaseIH dealership before Deutz destroyed Allis Chalmers, keeping the dealership going.
@@RJ1999x Thanks. I didn't know if whatever is the heir of AC just kept the plans and molds(etc) and they are just sitting in a warehouse some where or what...
The conventional part is untrue(now days ) as we have gotten new style and production parts for our L2 and L3, just you have to find a dealer willing to carry them. We'll probably run them until they fall apart, as no one makes a conventional combine anymore.
@@J-1410 the conventional parts might be available, but they're not made by Agco
Thanks for another impressive video!
An excellent Tractor and Harvester!
I know lot of information to your video's!
I really appreciate to making this video's!
Many thanks for making this video's!. Have a wonderful weekend!
Thank you for watching and sharing. I enjoy sharing farming history.
@@bigtractorpower Thanks for watching!
Our youth should really learn where our food supply comes from. Before I retired in 2010 some kids would pass me on my 46 Farmall B and didn't know what a tractor was.
I am going to make some videos on machines that harvest the vegetables we eat.
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They destroyed the A.C. name brand when they bought it. Local A.C. dealer was shut down when he refused to take 8 tractors he did not want or could sale. AGRO Declared we are shipping you 8 100 +hp tractors and we want our money in 90 days. Some compete idiots decide his sales area need tractors that size. He knew he could never sale them and turn a profit so he said no. They shut him down and lost sales on everything. We went from Gleaner on almost every farm for 50 miles to zero in less than 5 years. When asked what tractors we had at trade show we told aggro JD because we sold all our A.C. tractors because of the crap support and lack of dealrships. We told them how badly they marketing screwed by destroying the dealer network trying to sell tractors that did not fit into what farmers in our area wanted.
It’s very unfortunate what happens to Allis-Chalmers. Ultimately what destroyed Allis was the farm economy of the late 70’s and early 80’s. High 19% interest rates crippled sales. AC ag fell apart in 1979 Sperry-New Holland sold $1 billion in hay and forage tools where AC had $300 million in sales. AC was falling behind. Money ran out and Allis decided to sell its ag division. Allis-Chalmers built hundreds of products outside of farming. Deutz bout Allis ag. Yes Deutz really messed up dropping the orange paint. AGCO picked up the pieces and it corrected the corse. Allis-Chalmers remained its own company in 1990 and AGCO could not use the AC name. The AC tractor line was gone so AGCO had to use WHItE to build tractors. AC lost allot of market and it did not come back but AGCO was able to build new markets through new brands plus supply parts of the range of brands it owned. It’s a negative thing that AC is gone but AGCO grew into a much bigger company based on the foundation of AC.
Thanks for all your great videos! I was curious about the AGCO history and this answered a lot of questions.
Glad BTP could fill in the gaps.
Also the great SISU engines from Valtra in Finland. Used in most AGCO machines.
I'm just getting my teeth cut working on agriculture equipment for AGCO I've not seen any tractors come in with engine issues. Every other component may have its foibles but that magnificent Sisu seems to be flawless.
It's so cool to learn about such a great brand thanks for the video!
It sure stands out. 9560s were also sold with the Canadian flag as well.
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I consider you one of the top authorities on farm equipment. Thanks.
Thank you. I have collected and read tractor brochures since I was 3. I have absorbed allot of information over the years. Thank you for watching.
Well that was just *AWESOME* !! Thanks for sharing! It really is quite the story and I'm glad you're telling it as it was! Thanks for the video!
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I really miss New Idea and White equipment and tractors. I know White still makes planters, but it's just a matter of time before they're gone too.
2021 was the last year for WFE planters. For model year 2022 the planters are now Massey Ferguson.
That sucks.
I wish someone could make allis chalmers tractors again! Then we would have a real tractor back.
Allis-Chalmers made great tractors.
Thank you Mike. This was just an amazing video. I have often wondered about the history of AGCO and you connected 100's of dots. Awesome!!!
Thank you for watching. I am glad the video was helpful.
Great video. Harry Ferguson was from Northern Ireland like me and we have one of his first tractors ever built in our family. A 1938 Ferguson Brown.
GavinGTINI and hart Massy was canadian
GavinGTINI I have always dreamt of going to Ireland.
Very cool. Did Harry Ferguson work with David Brown tractors as well as Ford?
bigtractorpower yes, that’s were he started from before moving to Ford.
Thank you for posting. It's too bad some of the names of those great companies like Allis Chalmers, Oliver Minneapolis Moline and New Idea have faded away into the history book forever. Not farm equipment but soon Chrysler and Dodge will be history as well.
I believe the sunshine McKay combine harvester made in Australia built the first self propelled combine but I could be wrong
thank you so much for posting this video. the history portion answered many questions. agco’s multibrand approach is extremely interesting to me. i work in an industry where an acquired firm’s brand name rarely survives (e.g. Sikorsky helicopter name survived.).
What they did was true at the time but in the years since more of the brands shown in this video have been done away with and a lot of the smaller companys that they bought that were small didn't even make it through the purchase before the name was gone
Nice video now make a follow up on how many brands they have got rid of and how many dealers they have done away with. when they took over almost every company show here had a dealer with in 25 miles of where i live now the one agco dealer that is even close is 70 plus miles away. Anyone else seen this?
The part where you talked about the Gleaner combine showing an S 97 ..do you have any previous footage of that machine?..I might of missed it..that’s a nice machine!!!
I filmed that S97 in the fall of 2017. I have not shown it in a full video yet.
i love this video. im from Kansas and the Hesston AGCO plant is something we're proud of. My grandfather always had an affinity for Allis-Chalmers tractors and almost bought a brand new one as his first tractor in the 50s but was swayed by his dad to buy a used John Deere because it was a green farm (and still is under my cousin.) This history is so very neat.
Very cool. Great history. He should have bought a new Allis 😁
Wish you could do more allis the way wd wd45 gas and diesel d19 also that is what we used when we farmed
So it’s like the gm of agriculture things
Yes that would be a good comparison.
I wonder how AGCO was able to buy up all these company without there being any kind of push back from the governments, I know in the US alone if two competing companies wish to merge its a nightmare and a absolute headache to achieve it for fear of creating a monopoly
Most of the brands acquired by AGCO were in bankruptcy or near shuttering. AGCO bought up short line brands to build a full line company. The government gets more involved if a company is taking up to much market share. For example in 1986 John Deere made a bid to Versatile for its 4wd line. The combined company’s would have had more than 50% market share and the bid was given to Ford because they were not in the 4wd tractor market. In 1999 when Fiat the owner of Ford New Holland acquired Case IH to form CNH they controlled New Holland hay tools , Case IH Hesston hay tools, New Holland Versatile 4wds and Case IH Steiger 4wds and New Holland Genesis tractors and Case IH Magnum tractors. In the CNH case one of each brand had to be spun off.
Brilliant video ! Great history and nostalgia .
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My uncle is proud to run massey Ferguson planter, baler, and self propelled discbine
Very nice.
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Really enjoyed the history of the company. Thanks bigtractorpower!
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I found this very interesting I am a 86 year old going back to the horse, then my father buying a new ACWC in 1937 . At 4 years old I was sitting on the tool box where ever My father went. after 4 years in the Airforce during the Korean war, I came home to farm with my father, buying the last 2 clynd.JD 630. But the Lord had other things for me. so spent flying for and starting flight programs for a mission. But as the old saying goes," you can take the boy of the farm but can't take the farm out of the farm". This was the very best story of how many of these companies merged together, as i well remember most of these when they were first showing up on the farm market. **************for this presentation. Jim ferguson
Great video. As I was watching, I thought about how awesome it would be if Fiat saw how successful this strategy was and followed suit by making IH and Case as stand alone brands again. A highly unlikely pipe dream, I know.
It would be neat to see a modern IH or Case.
A lot has changed since the making of that AGCO video. The went the compete opposite of what the video said and got rid of Allis and White brands.
Doesn't agco own GSI now as well? I live in Taylorville Illinois. GSI has a factory here in town and a 2nd factory about 15 miles down the road in Assumption Illinois.
Interesting video. I was growing up when all this started back in the day. What is interesting is looking at just AGCO, in general the only info easily found is simply the aquisitions of the bigger companies mostly starting when the actual AGCo name came to be.
But there were SO MANY little companies, a lot of them fairly specialized, that were consolidated either by AGCo, or were picked up by other companies right before AGCo bought them that the list of ALL the companies under the AGCo nameplate is simply immense. I remember in the late 80's reading about companies that produced only one or two items, sometimes just cultivators or spring tooth drags etc getting aquired by Hesston, or New Idea, or White, etc. Then AGCo came by and bought up those companies.
It is really hard to find a good list nowdays, a google search of any of the "AGCo brands" doesn;t really show their history very well, mostly just links to stuff about AGCo itself.
I suppose that's a product of our modern global economy and merged up megacorps. But it is a shame in a way that all that "little guy" history is so hard to find. Sort of like how AGCo doesn't seem to like talking about how they own the Oliver nameplate, or MM. Those old companies get treated as irrelevant in today's market, and that's really too bad.
But as the saying goes, nothing stays the same.
I believe their current idea is to have everything under Massey and fendt...
AGCO was built on multiple brands but in 2006 they began to consolidate the brands. Same machinery but painted in “key” brand colors. AGCO has a cool history and great brands but by 2006 as the company was rapidly growing it changed course. AGCO’s primary competitors are John Deere and Case IH. The top 2 brands are one solid color and AGCO has progressed to be core brands to match the other big two.
@@bigtractorpower Ratlif retired, and everything changed.
since then everyone around here left agco and went to IH, as when brands got consolidated(under massey) and parts discontinued, everyone left, and Gleaner was left, until red massey-gleaners started showing up online. We're the only ones who run Gleaners anymore in my area.
They may have a good machine, but people got burnt by massey bad(from combines, to the 2000 series transmission issues), and many vowed to never go back to it.
Perhaps they have a plan, but it sure isn't working or looking good up here. Also would have helped if they would have backed the brands they are named after: Allis Chalmers and Gleaner.
I love my allises and gleaners
Great machines.
Loved the video! Could you do a similar video on Ford/New Holland?
I would love to do the Ford/New Holland story. My issue at this time is finding the classic blue machines to film. I get to see the new NH T8, T9 tractors and the CR combines. Unfortunately I have not been able to find the classic Fords, Sperry New Holland’s, Versatiles and early New Holland’s like I would like too to tell a complete story. I am always looking so as I get the blue machines filmed I will be able to make the history video.
that was beautiful! thanks for making this video!
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Now I understand why some brands haven’t merged because sales recognition. For AGCO to grow it need to build better dealerships that can train farmers in handling n understanding of their products. Some AGCO products have high cost to their spare parts compared to CNH. I do see GSI playing bigger part maybe other farm related products been brought by AGCO for total farm solution. Great vid BTP👍👍
I know what they have done but they need to take the A out of there name .They retained none of the great Allis Chalmers heritage. And soon I think Gleaner will be an afterthought as the new Fendt Dream or what it is called will replace Gleaner.
I do not think Gleaner is going away. The brand is 98 years old and still accounts for 70% of AGCO combine sales.
What was the acquisition case buying ih?
Great video!! This is very informative..
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Outstanding! Excellent information, THANKS!!
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Nice history lesson! That's the only way a lot of those brands were going to survive at that time.
Very true. AGCO provided the dealerships and backing to keep many great products going.
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I agree with the statement that the dealer creates a client base and people stick with the dealer not the equipment. Our massey dealer honers the warranty, never a fight🤘🤘
Can you do more tractor history? Claas, steiger, versatile, big bud?
Yes. I hope to do 60 years of John Deere 4wds this year. I need to find an 8850, 60 and 70 series to film to complete that story. I want to do 60 years of Steiger. I need to find a series I, a green Series II and a 9300 series to complete that story.
@@bigtractorpower nice that would be epic
I wish AGCO Make Volvo Bm Traktor
Volvo made some good tractors.
No sound med-all most to the end.
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I So appreciate you putting this together. Please explore it more as you suggest.
AGCO’s relationship with TAFE is worth exploring, especially the relative financial strength of both companies. Also, in your summary of the video there are hay mowers shown which are a result of buying and re-branding Fella hay products of Germany. Later on they also buy the Lely grass machinery business as Lely exits to concentrate on robotic dairy cow management. Lely included the Welger round baler business which at last has brought some stability to AGCO’s implement businesses, at least in Europe. Let’s not forget Valtra either, bought partly to get back into the engine manufacturing business but also adding another exclusive line of tractors which are gaining market share steadily.
AGCO has an impressive history. It is hard to link all the brands world wide. It is a challenge to track down and film the 22 brands that are part of AGCO’s history in North America.
Whoah, what was that crazy implement @3:31 ? Great video as always BTP!
That is a Shuknecht Onion Harvester.
@@bigtractorpower That's really neat, I'll have to see what else I can find on that.
They are built near Albion, NY. I had a chance to tour their factory in 2003. I plan to start a video series on veggie harvesters. There are lots of interning machines like this Shuknecht out there.
I'm a fan of AGCO and their brands, so I always enjoy these videos highlighting their history along with the "then versus now" comparison. There does seem to be a fair bit of disdain due to their phase-out of the Allis name and the orange paint, but their quality has continually improved and I feel they made a strategically smart decision by focusing on Massey Ferguson. MF seems to have a global presence that dwarfs the presence Allis-Chalmers ever had (globally; too many people get hung up on the North American market only), and they had so many brands under their belt that consolidation was badly needed. They have a smart portfolio in NA now with Massey (full line, consumer and prosumer brand), Challenger (commercial use brand), and Fendt (the "Cadillac"). You still see some co-branding, such as Hesston by Massey Ferguson, which works well, in my opinion. And in the last few years they have really been pushing the envelope with features and technology, which I sincerely hope will gain them some serious market share. Their only weakness in my eyes are the dealer network in NA; that is the biggest issue I see, and one where John Deere really dominates the market. Just my two cents; great video!
Great post. I am an Allis fan and miss orange but Allis helped build AGCO as a foundation and built a company 8 times bigger than AC was. Hart-Parr coined the term tractor in 1903 and had a loyal following. In 1929 Hart-Padd the original tractor became Oliver. I bet there were loyal Hart-Parr owners that thought what’s this Oliver. Oliver grew and grew and eventually became White Farm Equipment which then became part of AGCO. Unfortunately time changes things but AGCO has progressed and grown and has nearly 30 years of its own history now.
Awesome! Love all the old videos. I wonder which ag-manufacturer buyout Ratcliffe was referencing when he was talking about the brand consolidation - Case buying IH, or Fiat buying Ford?
Case IH
Man I wish Ethan still had his channel up and running. The kid was extremely knowledgeable in everything he did. Another get video!
Oliver66 was one of my favorite channels to watch. I miss it. It was great to meet Ethan at the 2017 Half Century Show.
If you going to tell the story, tell the whole story.
What additional part of the AGCO Story do want to hear?
We have a massy furguson tedder best envestment ever
Very cool.
Why didn't John Deere ever try to buy up any of these companies as they were sold?
They didn't need to
Why would they? They like to steal ideas and claim that they did it firs
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First tractors I drove were a MM 670 Super and a 2-105 White. The MM670 is still on the farm today.
That’s awesome. Toy Tractor Times has a 1/64 2-105 that will be released this month.
Awesome video. i love history. Where i live in central Minnesota Agco isn't as popular. it was great hearing the history behind the company. i am looking forward to future videos about their products. thanks for doing this.
AGCO has grown allot but there are still places it can grow. It’s all about dealers. Thank you for watching.
Now i understand why kirovets tractors that was built in the 1990s and early 2000s used deutz technoliogi.
Deutz made some tough engines.
This was informative. I did not know AGCO had so many brands. You should do this type of videos for the other farm tractor brands.
I plan to make a 60 Years of John Deere 4wds this year.
Our family's Massey Ferguson 1100 and Super 90 have served us well.
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First tractor I ever drove was my grandfathers Oliver 1650
Mine was a 1655, Could turn on a dime and shift on the go
Very cool. I got to drive a 1600 in 2017.
Very cool. The 55 series were nice tractors.
Mine was dads 1755. Miss them days
I wish agco would make a updated video..... Thanks for making this i really enjoyed it.
Thank you for watching. AGCO has accomplished allot in 30 years. It would be neat to see a new AGCO video on their history and future.
I like the cameo by the Claas Combine.
I wish you showed off more Valtra tractors. They are the best looking tractor on the planet.
The only way he will film Valtra is if he can find one. As far as I know, no one has Valtra in the US
Enjoyed Agco corp history video. So many great brands, with it's own past. Richly told 🚜👍
Thank you for watching. There is a ton of history to cover with AGCO. This video is just the basics. I hope to find more AGCO machines to film to tell more of the detailed story.
There were a few brands that I did not realize AGCO owns. Great video!!
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I did not know that AGCO had that many companies under their belt. This was interesting.
Thank you for watching. AGCO has acquired many brands all over the world. Maybe some time I can put a chart together to show all of them.
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Thank you for this video
Thank you for sharing. AGCO has an interesting story to share.
How about an infographic with a flowchart showing how and when all of the brands merged, from Hart-Parr to present?
I will work on that for a future video. It’s a big chart.
Very informative and interesting, I like the combine with the flag, it looks awesome
The flag Massey combines were neat when they made them a few years ago. There is a Canadian flag 9560 as well.
Cracking video. Very informative. First tractor I ever drove was my grandfathers T20. There's such a resurgence in the vintage stuff especially here in Ireland.
Wow that is very cool on the T20.
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Great video. Would be cool if you are going on with the history of AGCO.
I plan too. It’s just a matter of finding the machines from each time period to film to tell the story.
on the 1st of january tracked tractors have become legal to drive on danish roads. i cant wait to se them in the wild instead of only seeing them at farm shows
Very cool to know. Thanks for the update.
I want it
Challenger is a truly American line, also no more Duetz Fahr/ Duetz Allis/ Allis Chalmers/ Oliver/ MM/ White tractors. Such sadness
Lots of great brands have been retired. Although Deutz-Fahr just opened 80 dealers in the United States in 2018. Deutz is building back.
bigtractorpower that’s good, wish they still made 2wd, ill always prefer that look to the 4wd computered up tractors
Very good summary of all the brands that form the history of AGCO.
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Class! IS! THE! BEST!
It's claas. Yes they're decent tractors.
Awesome video! The first tractors I drove were my grandfather’s Allis Chalmers D17 and 185.
D17 one of the toughest meanest 56hp tractor ever made
Very cool. The D17 is a great tractor as is the 185.
Very informative video about the history of Adco think you very much
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I love AgCo tractors.
They need to do a better job with their warranty's
Awesome video BTP ,you really know your stuff.
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Well done! Very informative and the video content supported the storyline so well.
Thank you for watching. I am working on a video covering 6 years of John Deers 4wds for latter this year.
Great video! I can't wait for the next segment on AGCO history.
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I've only have 15 acres but I have a wd45 and a round baler. I luv it like it's directly of the line
Very cool. What brand of baler do you use?
@@bigtractorpower an 1956 small round baler. Of course Allis charmels
So is glenco tillage equipment from agco as well
Glencoe is an AGCO brand. AGCO squired Farmhand/Glencoe in the mid-90’s. Glencoe was retired in 2006 as Sun Flower became the main AGCO tillage brand.
Love these videos with history incorporated into them makes them alot more interesting
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