An Innovative Fighter Thwarted By A Petty Feud: Heinkel He 219 Uhu
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we take a look at the Heinkel He 219 Uhu, a German Night Fighter from mid-to-late World War II that sought to bring a true, specially designed night fighter to the Luftwaffe. We first talk about the origins of the project in a private venture from Heinkel, to effectively make their own version of the Junkers Ju 88. We talk about the multitude of innovative features in that initial design, and how those features led to the project being cancelled. We then talk about the revival of the project a year later, with Germany's stable of night fighters in the Messerschmitt Bf 110 and Ju 88 starting to lose effectiveness.
We take a look at the initial design schematics and how they outlined a very promising fighter. We also talk about some early initial delays in the project caused by British attacks and the lack of the proposed engine, and then one of the biggest obstacles of the He 219 in one of the Luftwaffe leaders in Erhard Milch, who despised the plane and the company behind it. We talk about his hatred of many in the aircraft industry, and how this led to his opposition to the project entirely. We talk about the eventual solid reported performance of the He 219, and how it was later ended by its biggest enemy.
I love that over time you’re slowly becoming more unhinged
He's letting more of his personality show instead of being 100% serious and straight faced all the time, and I also love it!
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Solid bonafides, pleasant personality.
@@maxo.9928- Nazi mentality, personal interest come first. Safety of the nation comes last.
He is a born communicator I often know about the subject but he is still entertaining and gives a different perspective.
..fly at night BLIND nowadays ♥
Weird that they were afraid of looking American, because this design is the most Luftwaffe-like I have ever seen...
Should've named it the dragonfly.
the front looks very american
All the Heinkel He-219's produced were technically underpowered. The design was originally designated to use the Daimler-Benz DB-610 engines, but had to adopt the DB-603 series as the 610 would never even reached the working protoptye stage. (The 210 engine was slated to produce the equivalent of 2,300 Hp.) The DB-603G, the "pinnacle" of all the DFB-603s made, had a max output of 2000 HP. Eric Brown's Post War comments also reflected that he did expect it to be more agile in the air - but Heinkel had never designed extra agility into the He-219 - at night it was a Hunter that stalked it's target - it did not need to swoop in like a falcon, or to leap from cover to strike and then run. It sneaked in on the traget, got into firing position slowly then fired and pulled off to to one side find another unsuspecting target. (The Germans almost never put tracers in their night fighters guns - to other RAF crews (IF they saw it) it was as if the victim simply exploded for no apparent reason.)
The Allies did introduce defensive sensors on their night bombers, so a sneak attack was not certain.
The main one was a system that allowed the H2S navigation radar to detect aircraft below the bomber. They also introduced a tail warning radar called Monica (which backfired, as the Germans developed a device that allowed night fighters to home in on its transmissions) and late in the war a tail mounted fire control radar called Village Inn that could search behind the bomber and provide aiming data for the tail guns.
@@brettpeacock9116 DB-610s certainly reached widespread production & used in the Heinkel He-177A-5. I think you might be confused with the Jumo 222?
@@nerd1000ify H2S wasn’t defensive, it was a navigation aid and was detected by the Naxos system mounted on German night fighters. This was a bump above the canopy on Ju-88Gs. it wasn’t often if ever used on the He-219 because of the absence of additional crew to use it effectively. The FuG 217 Neptune rear warning radar was used on some late war night fighters but absent on most he-219 except a few late He219A-7s I believe.
"Believe me as someone who has never been wrong about anything ever, it's hard to admit when you're wrong" - IHYLS 2024
Beautifully written, man! 👏🏻😄
It's hard to be humble when I'm perfect in every way.
He219 my beloved
I don’t disagree with your opinion but I just wonder why you hold it in so high regard?.
@@allandavis8201 Pretty and unique plane. Simple as. Also " my beloved" is a meme stemming from NCD and War Thunder Communities.
Milch hated everybody because that's what happens in disorganizations where power and advancement are based on the cult of personality rather than merit.
Milch wasn't perfect himself and engaged in petty squabbles himself, notably how he and Willy Messerschmitt absolutely hated each other. A lot of the reason the Me 163 was a thing was because Milch knew it would be of little use, but forced Messerschmitt to take up the project to drain the company's resources. And on the subject, he hated Willy Messerschmitt for the death of Milch's best friend in the Interwar Years when a plane made by Messerschmitt crashed.
Last time I was this early, something creative that I cant think of right now.
Have a nice day
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I love those retro table lighters, I restored my grandmother's after she passed and I was pretty stoked about that
Some very cool retro modern lighters of what a future aircraft would look like when they were made in the 1920 or 30s. Usually always chrome & heavy.
Still have my Tamiya 1:48 kit.
I see your Tamiya and raise you one Revell 1/32 one Great Wall 1/48 one Revell 1/48 and seven Dragon 1/72. And also one Tamiya 1/48.
I recall a kit that I think was 1/72 from the late 70s.
@@robdgaming I had that one....no idea who made it though
@@clc2328probably heller
As a Project Manager that intro was GOLD. The He 219 is such a cool plane.
It's not often that you're wrong, but you're right again.
Very good program Sir ; and I love the Uhu ; I think it is an absolutely ingenious aircraft with amazing pilot / radar operator visibility , and with tricycle gear stunning and modern , I listened to another video on the Black Widow , and a Black Widow chased an Uhu at low altitude during the Battle of the Bulge , but the Black Widow was too slow to catch the German aircraft. So the plane being chased was probably the latter variant with the larger engines Sir.
Erhard Milch, wunderwaffe for the Allied forces. Master saboteur and Uhu killer.
Love your docs, but as a German I really wonder why you are pronouncing the "U" in "UHU" as it should be, but always ignoring it in "Luftwaffe" ;-) It`s not "Laftwaffe", it`s (phonetical) the "Looftwaffe". Apart from that... great job!!
Your videos always make me chuckle. And I always learn something!
3:05 the cream always rises to the top
I really love the design of this one and I'm glad I got to learn about it to this very day. The nose and forward fuselage on this one is very powerful looking in a way. The radar assembly is a tad strange looking but otherwise it's a very cool design
The co-designer of the Ju-88 was an American, Alfred Gassner. The other designer was W. H. EVERS who worked in the USA.
I remember reading in a booklet on WWII aircraft that six Mosquitoes fell victim to the He 219 in one night, it was an English publication as much of our magazines, books and comics were over sixty years ago. Who remembers the Lion, Eagle and Beano English comics (and more)?
Awesome commentary on an obscure plane and the chaos that was the German "Government ".
Heinkel UWU
Screech Owl with Schragemusik.
Screech owls being only in the Americas, that would have been an ironic name.
There were good reasons to stick with the Ju88. It was a proven airframe already in large scale production, it had greater range, a crew of three for better shared work load, could be used and was used as night bomber/ attacker, had more reliable and proven engines (BMW 801 and Jumo 213) and was liked by all Pilots who ever flew one including Eric Brown, one of his work mates even won a turnfight against a mosquite in Ju88g. The He 219 and Ju88 were both to slow, if fully geared up with nightfighting equipment, to catch a mosquito. But with the Ju88gs you can at least win a turnfight against the mosquito and it accelrated good in a dive. This big ship was suprisingly agile.
If you flew a bf 110 befor, the He 219 maybe was a welcome increase in power, but if you came from a trusted Ju 88 there are probably a lot of things you would miss, like reliable engines.
now I want to see an 3/4 scale RC version fly with the weight bias fixed and the power to weight ratio matching the original final version of the 219
The claims against Mosquitos in mid 1943 are complete bollocks!! During the period of the He219 Trials, the RAF lost one Mosquito over Germany, on a Daylight weather reconnaissance mission where it was shot down by Fw-190's. What the RAF did lose during the period were a number of Wellingtons. They were still on active bomber missions over Germany until August 1943. The First He219 combat sortie definitely killed 2 RAF Bombers as the Claims of the pilot and crash of the RAF aircraft correlate in post war RAF research. The RAF lost 40 aircraft that night and a number are listed as attacked by Night Fighter or lost without trace.
IHYLS did say “allegedly” and that he could not find any evidence for anything that was related to the claim, and I for one think it was pure propaganda because of the grudge Milch had with Heinkel, and he needed to prove, however he could, that the HE-219 was a brilliant aircraft and should have been made more available to the Luftwaffe, but I’m glad that they didn’t get more of them, night fighters were probably more scary for the bombers than searchlights or AAA, but I don’t know, just my opinion.
And?
OH! You're saying; shitty/scheiße design?
@@dallesamllhals9161 , No, just that the claims were exaggerated about the combat victories, something all sides did.
@@allandavis8201and combat losses were hidden too.
@@allandavis8201you say that. But, in the case of allied losses over Germany, the lost bombers were evidenced as wrecks and dead or better parachuted crews on the ground in the fatherland, a much valued intelligence value. Allied claims of course remained just that, claims. Eric Brown is more complimentary as you claim. According to Brown on the very first mission of a UHU, it shot down seven Lancaster bombers , it had ejection seats which is on record of having six double ejections of pilot and radar op, all totally successful. It was a compressed air system superior to later Martin Baker cordite systems which often caused spinal injuries. Oh, the speed deficit over the Mossie is a moot point, the UHU was fighting bombers. Mossies fell victim to Me 262 night fighters.
Mahalo for the excellent work. Aloha!
Thats sick, lighting candles with a peoper lighter means you'll be lighting alot more candles im sure!
The XP-51 was initially ignored at Wright Field for testing because it was a "private venture" (for the British) and wasn't the AF's idea.
my grandfather was a B-17 bomber ace over Europe all through WW2
21:35 Eurobeat referenced!
Yes it was...
A landing gear in taildragger configuration was considered more robust on for landing on grass.
Was that the Tamiya or Zoukei-Mura cockpit shot you used? Lol.
16:15 I read a long time ago in the book “Fighter “ by Ken Follett, that Milch’s hatred for Messerschmitt stemmed from a close friend of his (Milch) dying in a crash while flying in a BF-108 Taifun; Milch wanted to have his plant closed, claiming a bad design / lack of quality control (can’t remember that part, exactly), but the board of enquiry exonerated Messerschmitt.
Brown flew the very best and fasted. Hardly surprising that he was harsh.
He fasted? So he was hangry when flying, no wonder he flew like the devil. Was this to keep his weight down in the plane?
Thank you youtube algorithm
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The whole idea that there were ideological reasons for German governmental infighting is a myth, though. This was never encouraged. A survey of other governments at the time shows just as much infighting and interservice rivalry. Famous examples include the many IJA/IJN feuds. Italy failed to develop a strong naval air arm due to the Regia Aeronautica wanting sole command over all air units. A similar rivalry played out in Britain. The US also had a separate Naval department until 1947 that cause plenty of issues. The US strategic bomber command during WW2 was plagued by its commanding officers’ desire to prove that strategic bombing was effective, even though it sucked up huge amounts of resources that could have been put towards supporting ground forces. This led to several ill-advised raids and the overall horrendous casualties of bomber crews throughout 43-44.
It’s a human problem, not one specific to Germany or Hitler’s government.
I disagree. This was a thing.
@@user-kd2ij7te5v evidence?
@@Ras_al_Gore a lot. In a radical authoritarian system you need your dogs to guard each other and to fear each other.
@@user-kd2ij7te5v that’s not evidence.
@@user-kd2ij7te5v I agree, the deliberate creation of overlapping unclear centers of authority & political ambition was structural feature of Nazism, a Darwinian power politics that was genuinely negative to the German war effort.
Huh. I don't think I've seen this type before. It has a certain lumpy charm.
It looks like the grandaddy of the A10 from the front
Heinkel was always at odds with the RLM. Of course a specialist night fighter, even for Germany, was a real luxury. The Ju88 was already very good at the job and the Me110 not bad.
After the war many claimed the bombing campaign did very little except make Germany more determined to resist. This is fortunately becoming discredited by research. As you point out, the He219 development was greatly slowed by air attacks. The Ta154 night fighter was also halted by bombing. The Do335 early models were mostly destroyed by air attacks. It's funny how this ineffective bombing campaign seems to so often feature in these stories.
Please ensure your next script does not contain the word 'solid'.
I love your channel.
Ah yes, the UwU
Beloved by furry pilots.
my Grandfather smoked Salem Red after the war till his death in the GDR (strong and cheap, that´s what a soldier would prefer) , but anyway, he was a gunner on a 88 ;-) i personaly share your oppinion about E.Milch!
I still love the OWL, best recon. plane of WW2
That OwO joke at 3:46 would have been even better with a "notices your buldge" line above that bulging cockpit.
Yes!!!!!! Fresh off the press, 2hrs, its a bootiful thing alright. Thanks again. Scottish Borders.
New sub here. Love your videos.😊
I build and unfortunately crash rc planes. I've recently taken a shine to the weird world of ww2 german aircraft and the he-219 is definitely tickling my fancy! I've only recently flown a blohm&voss p212 i built. Its a real handful! 😄
Anyway, i love your work! All the best from Ireland.
I would be honoured if you let me tickle your fancy!😘
Milch does bear a striking resemblance to Peter Sellers' offsider in The Pink Panther now that you mention it. 🤔🤭
"We have a P-61 Black Widow at home"
P-61 Black Widow at home:
The Arado Ar 240 had the same DB603A engines.
Delightful!!! 😉
The American parallel w/b the Northrup P-61 night fighter
Erhard Milch deserving something like a Victoria Cross/Medal of Honour, for the "aiding the allied war effort" is just in the same category as Putin deserving the "recruiter of the year" from NATO.😂
Just as Napoleon said: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
Tbh I think the he-219 is completely overrated. I think what most people miss is that the he-219 could only out perform the early Ju-88 night fighters due to its much greater power provided by rare db-603 engines. later Ju-88 night fighters with similar power from bmw 801s or Jumo213s could match its performance while being based on an existing aircraft already in mass production, having longer range and being able to carry a third or fourth crew member to effectively use additional detection systems in use. finally the he-219 simply weighed too much and wasn’t low drag enough regardless of power to catch mosquitoes.
Modernized Ju-88s could be made in thousands with available engines shared with the fw-190 where the He-219 would have needed thousands of advanced dedicated db603s that never came..
Late model Dornier 217M bomber and N night fighter, the last of the line , used the DB 603 engine.
@@lowellwhite1603 but actually relatively very few of them were manufactured, with DB-603As which actually didn’t give in practice their rated power. the DB-603 had many issues, was very heavy and actually represented older technology than the Jumo 213 which was lighter and in practice gave the same or in the 213E better power at altitude. more importantly it entered higher rates of production so was available later in the war in quantity. one of the reasons the Do-335 didn’t enter service later in the war was because there just weren’t DB603 engines available in quantity.
Trying to add some information on the infighting, but Google's idiotic algorithm filters things to the point that makes mention of certain terms impossible, even in proper historical context.
Eatch whole video of Brown he slso said it was wonderful and technology great, blind hunting and defense, bilnd as in allieds could not tell they were being hunted or being trapped when the were.
@@DucDervin Eric Brown far preferred the Ju-88 though, it was less underpowered and handled better at heavier loads than the heavier he-219.
20:40 "Schräge Musik"
No escaping LS. Bratty
So, a nation known for making unnecesarily complex machines decided that the Uhu was too complex… ok.
LOOFT-voffuh
Luftwaffe is pronounced "looft-waffa".
Just to help you.. pronounced is pronounced pronounced... Not pronounced
Everybody misspells once in a while, don't regurt it!
Why is the lady in the office wearing a hard hat?
A-10 thunderbolt night fighter comes to mind!
I don't know anything about its weight or power to weight ratio, but it may have been a German Mosquito equivalent?
There was an actual Mosquito equivalent produced by the Germans and it was called... The Moskito. They literally just tried to copy the Mosquito, at least in concept with a twin engine fighter-bomber, built with a wooden airframe
@@weldonwinnope...!
The Tan 154 was NOT a copy of the british mosquito!
Rather, an attempt to build an aircraft utilizing wood LIKE the mosquito!
i dont think its unfair to say the nazis pretty much defeated themselves. turns out fascism isnt a very good from of management and just leads to even more stupid failing out/in fighting/and bizarre evil stuff than is usual.
Ahem, the mosquito was never an escort aircraft.
UHU ISN'T PRONOUNCED UwU wtf
It was a joke
Nothing gets by you, genius!
uwu :3
its basicaly 40s A10
LOOFT-vaffa. The Ghost Army folk (World War Two, YT) pronounce every German word in its Germanic pronunciation and now I am compelled to follow suit to the best of my ability. Then again I don't spend two days editing vids so maybe I'm just an innocent yet critical Virgo with research time for non-essential data. Just listen to how folk pronounce Goring's name ("GARE-ing" is close to proper)! Where I live making vids indoors is impossible due to sado-narcissistic neighbors. No singing, no playing or loud talking allowed. This is an odd and excellent channel. There are posers like Dark Skies who ride on everybody else's work (warbird specialists, mostly WWII) and often get the slideshow aircraft wrong and emphasize narratives that display an incredibly simplified and dramatic interpretation of complex subjects and machines. Thank you IHYLS.
We agree about the Dark Skies. He has more than one channel, all starting with Dark, and they are all sh*t in that they are always end up with people having to correct him because he is factually incorrect on most of it. He puts out almost as much fake news as Trump.
GFDI I thought you were mispronouncing it unintentionally the second time…
Silly selection office, missed out on a very good attack aircraft.
The Uhu was a bad aircraft. It had a too high landing speed for night operations in combat conditions.
He 219 Boo Woo?
Salam Lighter... isn't that well "in bad taste?"
Woo-hooo!
Why do you insist on including a photo that is too dark in nearly every video? It is really annoying. Not Cool
Racist
Never thought I’d see YOU reference uwu what’s this lmao
Milch really did have a bad case of small man syndrome and as his surname translates as milk, maybe he went sour???
..or Scheiße same BLOODY engines?
Aw yeah found my shower video for today 😈😈
27.02 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uhu… Uh huh 219 Kaput.
Milch was also a Jew
Dude the Mossie kicks 219 butt anytime! I'm being a 13 year old fanboy.
Just what exactly is in their pockets to make their pants bulge like that .They look ridiculous. Are they the shor version of clown pants 👖 🤔 🤣
Sandwiches? Big cigars? A flask? Kitchen sink?
Pease stop saying "Laftuafa"...
Come on man, it is pronounced Looft-waffa. German.
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You mean eu government to date.? Any data is spot on.
Your pronunciation of Luftwaffe is killing me....love the videos but its like nails on a chalk board.
Were those designers very “ideological”? Since Marshall Milch were part Jewish I’d think that’d be a reason.
More German Apologetics ?
Lol whut ? Comments section always filled with brit apologetics and crying Mosquito ultras.
Eagle owl, Flaco's kin indeed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaco_(owl)