But we know that Mythal 'made them forget'. That the shaperate has no record of titans existence. Wouldn't that make the titans the forgotten ones? That Solas sealed away both the gods AND the forgotten ones could be why the titans are sleeping. We also know that Andruil hunted the forgotten ones, and then 'made weapons of darkness and plague ate her lands'. If the forgotten ones are titans, wouldn't this support the notion that dead titan = blight? Titans are constantly associated with the earth, with creation. We are told that they 'sang thought into being'. Perhaps with their death they bring the absense of creation, the 'utter darkness' that is the blight. I suspect Mythal made them forget by removing their recorded memories of the titans.
oooh this is a really cool theory. It also immediately brought to mind the 'song' the Wardens hear towards the end of their life, when they feel compelled to go into the Deep Roads to end it (or is that only tradition? Regardless, it's a bit ironic.) If they became Wardens through consumption of darkspawn blood i.e. the blight-- and if the blight comes from the death of a titan and perhaps their tainted blood-- and of course all lyrium is said to 'sing' ... It just seems very interesting and connected. And as it's commented in the game that dwarves really do 'return to the stone' when they die, and that lyrium with its ability to hold memories and thoughts might in fact be the collective consciousness of all dwarves past (and, if some of the other theories here are correct, all dwarves living used to be connected to it like some sort of hivemind) then perhaps that is connected to the death of a titan = blight. Maybe upon the death of the titan, without the greater force for creation and harmony or whatever it is the titan IS, perhaps all the souls/minds within the lyrium go mad in the silence/void or whatever you might call the absence where there once was something as powerful and all-encompassing as a titan. Or just somehow the death of the titan twisted them, altered them-- quite literally blighted them. Maybe this is what creates darkspawn and their drive to destroy?
I really like the theory but if the death of a titian is connected to the blight we have only 2 recorded times of a titian being awoke yet there has been 5 blights I dont know maybe it's only being recorded twice but more died far down into the stone I dont know ethier way I love the theory
isabella stens A Blight (as in the event) comes when there’s a corrupted Old God. The origin of the blight (as in the disease) is what we’re talking about here. As an origin for the blight, I like this theory. And it would go a long way to explain where the blight actually comes from since a) it effects the Elven gods/Old gods/Old God Avatars(?) and b) it clearly was around before the Magisters played themselves. My only issue is aren’t the forgotten ones supposed to be Elves as well? And if not, then how did Solas become so familiar with the dwarves? The Dread Wolf tricked both sides after all. Plus, why does the corrupted song seek out whatever the old gods are? If it’s the madness of the collected dwarves consciousness you’d think the dark spawn target would be Titans or their hearts? Granted, we don’t know what the Wardens are guarding at the old god locations, but dragons have never really been a dwarf thing. I’ve always assumed the old gods (either the forgotten ones or the Evanuris) tricked the magisters into unleashing the blight in order to corrupt the other party and break the veil in doing so.
This makes sense. If the dwarves and Titans were once connected, maybe Solas creating the Veil was what separated them and is the reason why dwarves can't be mages, because dwarves have been cut off from the source of lyrium that they were once intrinsically connected to, and thus have no connection to the Fade. Humans and Elves never had such a connection, so their connection to lyrium mustn't have been so deeply affected. So this is the state in which Titans are sleepinh. This fits in with The Descent, in which the Breach, or a connection to the Fade, has reawoken the Titan, and because of the Titans reconnection to the Fade, Dagna, a dwarf, (and dwarves were once intrinsically linked to the Stone aka Titans) is now able to possess magic, as dwarves once did before the Titans slept because of the creation of the Veil. Additionally, if the Blight is "Dead Titan" then this would mean that it's the opposite to the Fade, or severs a connection to the Fade. I believe that Sandal was perhaps touched by a Titan like Dagna was at the end of The Descent, however the Titan Sandal encountered was blighted. So upon being touched by a normal and healthy Titan, Dagna re-established/strengthened her connection to the Fade and became almost like a spirit (more on that later). However, upon being touched by a blighted Titan Sandal lost his connection to the Fade, being made Tranquil. With all this in mind, it seems to me that because of the Dwarves special relationship with the Titans, as they appear in the games (when the Titans are asleep, or between death and life), they are in a sort of limbo state, if the titans are dead the dwarves are completely cut off from the fade and, if touched, made tranquil, if the titans are alive then the dwarves would be extremely connected to the the Fade, through the Titans, even more so than regular mages and being almost spirit-like, this is why Dagna's connection to the Fade has produced such bizarre results, her magic seems unlike any other we've seen and her thoughts become rambled and incoherent much like how we've seen spirits express themselves. Dagna seems a lot like a spirit, who would be able to appear in multiple places without regard for roads etc. This explains her notes being found randomly about Skyhold.
Mythal has a shrine atop Sundermount, beneath which is (probably) a Blighted Titan she killed. There are seven such "sacred mountains" There are seven Old Gods There are seven elven gods excluding Solas and Mythal I don't know what but there's *something* in all that
Cole says in trespasser when you go in the deep roads something like ‘it wants to wake up but it can’t remember how. This isn’t right no one should be here’ so there is another on nearby. Also the human qunari we meet says that the more they dig, the more lyrics there is.
If the Elven gods managed to kill things that are bigger than mountains and have lyrium for blood then they clearly didn't need a power boost to rule over the elves.
@@No_Plays_Hand_Empty Oh I have no doubt they'd covet the power. Dictators (and wannabe gods) generally do. I just don't think they'd NEED it to 'become so powerful and rule over' the elves. If they can kill a Titan, they're already powerful enough for that. If anything they were like human nobles (Magisters in Tevinter or nobility in Orlais) and they did it to gain a leg up on some other group that they were rivals with. Or maybe just power for powers sake. That's always an option.
It's literally Blood Magic... Magical Blood consumed to combat magic through bending reality into stability. The hypocrisy and irony here knows no bounds.
Back from veilguard. I’ve learned one simple fact that has made the Titans and my previous theories about Sandel so much more fucking sad. Titans were once powerful constructs of elemental fury, born of the world itself. They shaped the earth with their dreams, giving rise to the wind and the rain, and the skies and the land. In time, spirits of tremendous power manifested in physical bodies as the first of the Elves, confirming theories of Elves not being native to Thedas in the most literal sense. These first elves became maddened by the presence of the Titans, viewing their shaping of the world as chaos that needed to be curbed. They severed their minds from their bodies, cutting the Titans off from the world itself, and leaving their sleeping bodies behind on Thedas. In the Fade, the Titans dreams soured into nightmares, warping them into the first spectral tentacles of the Blight. After the Titans fell, the Dwarves broke from them and built their civilization atop their bodies. Originally, they lived _within_ the Titans, walking their veins and organs like vast palatial chambers, and guarding them against all who’d seek to destroy them. They were child and caretaker, blood _and_ skin. During this time, the Dwarves had magic of a kind. The Song of the Stone, which could call upon a small portion of the Titan’s strength to augment that of a Dwarf to new heights. After the Elves brought them down, the Song ceased and the Dwarves lost their magic. Sander is good at enchantment, I think, because he’s an Avatar of the Titan. He remembers the days of the old Dverga, who lived within the Gods, and so he can work Lyrium like no one else. The reason he’s so child-like is because the Titans themselves have been rendered child-like by the severing of their dreams. They’re Tranquil, and as such they’ve become more innocent in their mindset.
I like the idea of Sandal being touched by a Titan like Valta, but instead of being a spy or like the Sha-Brytol what if he was touched by a titan that died and the death of it negatively affected his mind? If someone is connected to a being of thought what happens to them when that being dies? What happens to their thoughts? Their mind?
Personally, i think sandal is exactly what the inquisitor was thought to be, on a greater scale. Rather than a herald of a god, a god in mortal form, Like solas, but even older... Older than the elder gods, so old he has forgotten how to pass as mortal. Sandal is the thedas version of odin. Or he is the only dwarven mage. Ever. I just hope hes back in 4.
Im pretty sure that markings were Ancient Elven origin, not titans. Especially considering that Magisters stole and still are stealing from Ancient Elves.
I believe Titans are likely the equivalent of giant Golems, but instead of one Dwarf soul inside them, it was a MASSIVE amount of them. A hivemind. The Stone. When the Dwarves were disconnected from the Titans, they gained independance, but lost their connection to the Fade (which they might have gotten from the Titan's Lyrium. The Titan's blood). Though maybe the dwarves weren't "inside" the Titans, but connected to them through a colective consiousness. Or maybe they were inside and had no bodies. Or maybe they were sometimes inside and sometimes given a temporary body to serve as essentially slaves? This last bit I'm not too sure. Maybe the Titans were rendered Tranquil? Severing the link between them and the Dwarves. We saw in the murals from Tresspasser that the Elven Gods used orbs to render the Titans Asunder. Yet these orbs were likely the same that tore the veil open and created the Breach in Inquisition. Yet this was before the Veil was created. Meaning that perhaps the Titans being disconnected from the Fade (which was a part of the world at the time) using these orbs effectively put them down. Asleep, dormant or Traquil. But not dead. Just disconnected from the world. And from the Dwarves. Maybe. Just thinking out loud on this last bit. Golems are merely an imitation of what Titans once were.
oooh i like this "titans were made tranquil" and this both immunised dwarves against lyrium/magic and severed them from the Titan hivemind & The Fade. ...which makes Sandal FASCINATING.
I think that the Golems are a smaller, lesser version of the Titans as well. I question the idea that Dwarfs came from Titans though, I know Solas says they're "like the severed arm of a great hero lying in a pool of blood" and many take that and other lore such as the lines about being "as tall as a mountain... Or I was the mountain? And my thought was everybodys thoughts" along with other lore to be they were a hive-mind or something like that. I think it is entirely possible for that theory to be true, but I think it's also possible that the Dwarfs discovered the Titans during the war with the Ancient Elves and struck a bargain to save themselves from being wiped out by what would've seemed the most terrifying spirits ever, to become physical beings with magical abilities the Dwarfs never could or have possessed and that appear to be unkillable (the ones that lore tells us are Gods and that came from the Fade.) As far as I know and have researched the lore is the Ancient Elves fought the Titans and Dwarfs, but what if we're putting the Titans first due to their size, power, and lack of true knowledge-- what if the war was among the Ancient Elves and Dwarfs first? Dwarfs would likely have been terrified of these new beings, their power, and their quick ability to spread throughout the world. The Ancient Elves might have seen them as a threat for not bowing to them or useless as slaves and thus simply beneath them, somehow a war begins between the two fight but it's clear the Ancient Elves will destroy the Ancient Dwarven people because of their magic. The Dwarfs would've used the Deep Roads and many cave entrances on the surface to their advantage, but still become pushed back farther and farther. I believe it is possible that one party of Ancient Dwarfs found a Titan or many Titans and the ruler of Dwarfs plead for his people to survive the war and a bargain was struck between the two. The Ancient Dwarfs would gain new and guarded secrets about Lyrium aka Titan Blood, such as it's use in weapons and ways to use it in building materials or perhaps protection for the remaining Dwarfs once the Elves claim victory by believing to have killed the Dwarfs or the Dwarfs surrender and the Titans would gain knowledge of the world outside as they slept for thousands of years. If the place where we find the Titan in the DLC is similar for all places Titans find it could explain why Dwarfs fear falling into the sky, as it is seen below in that area with the Titan. It may explain why they revere the Stone, as through oral record keeping it got jumbled in years leading up to the Shaperate in the capital and later intentionally kept out to keep peace within their culture and people and the world at large. But that's just my thought, I recognize that this assumes Dwarfs lived topside for a bit and are already unable to use magic (unless aided by Titans? Not sure still) and could work with lyrium as present day Dwarfs... So extra tin?
Oh one of the old tall dwarves. Not said in games but they could have been slowly getting shorter as they aged as a species. Just like the elves because mortal. Slowly dying younger and and younger.
And if a Titan was rendered Tranquil before the Veil was created, then the Breach opening would make sense why the Titan in The Descent started to act up.
there's a mine in the western approach that has a grey warden journal that says they thought a arch demon was there because they could hear a song that grew stronger as they went deeper, but the song weaken the tunnels till the wardens were forced to abandon it. I kinda thought it was a hint to Titans when the dlc came out, that there could be another Titan under the sands.
"What secrets does the butt of a Titan hold?" 1. This was fucking hilarious. 2. Seriously what is down there? Is there even a center of the earth in Thedas? Or just a void that goes on forever?
it could be THE Void or this could be more "ancient elves effing about with reality & The Fade" - eluvians lead to all sorts of places that exist physically yet don't match up with any known places in Thedas nor seem touched since before The Veil. alt: Titans are like that big sphere in ST:TNG that has a sun within it or Titans are worlds in & of themselves.
Cole's comment at 7:08, about the ancient shapers "walking their memories into valleys of the world", reminds me of a passage from the Chant of Light: "Seven times seventy men of stone immense" [walked around] "And in the hollows of their footprints / Paradise was stamped, indelible". Which gives us a ballpark estimate for the number of titans. I had originally assumed that the line about Paradise meant that the land left in their footprints was somehow idyllic, but I think it might instead refer to _memories_ of Paradise.
Do you remember Nexus Golem from DA2? I jaw-dropped when I saw the Descent and remembered his exact quote: 'The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast.'
Regarding what happened to the dead titan, here's my theory. In the codex entry 'Vir Dirthara: Signs of Victory,' it describes "a monument made in a single afternoon by a thousand-thousand toiling servants swarming over a lump of fallen stone as large as a collapsed mountain. By the end of the day, the stern figure of Elgar'nan stares down into a valley, carved out from the foothills of the rock." Similarly, in the codex entry 'Song to Elgar'nan', one of the lines is "Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities." and another is "Burn the ground under your gaze." It seems to me these two codex entries refer to the same thing - a massive monument to Elgar'Nan that was (in my theory) carved from the corpse of a titan to shame and terrify the dwarves, which is referenced in the 'Torn Notebook in the Deep Roads, Section 2' codex entry with this bit: "Though I remember my Keeper telling a story about how the dwarves fear the sun because of Elgar'nan's fire. A metaphor for the elves of Arlathan driving the dwarves underground?" Elgar'Nan's fire here, being the giant Elgar'Nan statue they carved: "Light radiates from the eidolon's narrowed eyes and its open, snarling mouth." Not 100% sure where it all leads - particularly with regards to "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger." Though I suppose the most obvious answers would be something to do with the blight / the fade / the source of magical power blooming from titans (lyrium) / or just generally having a bunch of living mountains with thousands of mind controlled antibodies to fight you. I bet it sure makes Solas glad that the Titans and Dwarves are now more like "... the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. "
Some believe the Titans could've possibly been made BY the elves, and some say the Titans made the Dwarves,....... the Titans are also known to be in a Slumber or deep sleep,..... the Sha-Brytol guard them..... from what tho!? I believe the Sha-Brytol Guard the Titans as an Old God to not become corrupted by the Taint/Darkspawn.... we know the Red Lyrium is Lyrium corrupted by the Blight ... does this mean since Lyrium is the Blood of the Titan that THEY can become tainted as well!? Dwarves have always fascinated me in multiple mythos/stories .... the Dragon Age Dwarves in my opinion have a unique Similarity to Tolkiens Dwarves of Middle Earth.... they have a Lost history/empire that can never be FULLY restored/recovered! If you see any correlation between these facts/clues .. please feel free to tell me what you make of it... :D Atrast nal tunsha! (May you always find your way in the Dark)
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq Wow. I only now realized, that the words atrast and tunsha, kind of sound similar to the same words in my language. Atrast-to find , and tunsha-tumsa means dark/darkness.
@@seelfire4725 OR, it's possible the Sha-Brytol guard the Titans, NOT because THE TITANS can become corrupted, but what IF the Titans THEMSELVES ARE the Underground Prisons the Old Gods are sleeping in and their Body is a giant Shell containing them. They're bigger than an Archdemon in Size, so it IS Possible. Not only that but it would explain why it takes so long in BETWEEN Blights.. the Darkspawn have to search deep in the Earth, "digging blind" as it were, and then once they FIND the source of the Old Gods calling, they'd have to get past the Sha-Brytol who guard it as WELL as the Titan that can fend for itself. In 1 codex in Dragon Age: Origins, there's a Dwarven Scouts report of a bloody underground chamber that had tons of Giant Claw marks on the walls and stains of blood... the scout concluded it was an Archdemon's Lair.. or Prison Cell so to speak. If that's true, who's to say that since the Titans don't just fall apart once opened by Darkspawn, and appear to simply be part of the caves and terrain seeing as how they're made of rock, someone wouldn't know if the difference between a Titans Corpse and a Small hill/Mountain (:/)! *That being said, I believe Titans have more to do with the Blights than we realize.. and since no one has ever witnessed an Old Gold become corrupted by the Darkspawn, than no one can really DISprove this theory just as much as we can't actually prove it (:/)*
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq but that would not explain why there is no dark spawn there unles the sha-brytol are the best dark spawn killer to ever exist.. there was a little camp of them jsut above that mine but it seemed like non tried t ogo down so i dont know :c
I believe Mythal created her Well of Sorrows using a technique similar to the dwarven Memories from the Titans, through observation and experimentation.
Interesting. I always thought that the Titans form the planet(or world) Thedas is on. When Mythal "killed" the Titans to harness their power, they fell together and created all of the solid world. When the Veil was created, it separated Titans and the Fade, stranding the Elves on the Titans themselves. Dwarfs were always part of the Titans, whether they were created by the Titans or they created the Titans - it doesn't matter that much as they forgot about it but it hints that the ancient Dwarfs were at odds with ancient Elves. Maybe it really is a neverending mythical battle of Reality against Dreams - dreams shaping reality, reality giving basis for dreams. Also, there are a lot of parallels between the conflict Mythal and Fen'Harel vs Evanuris(God-mages) and the that whole thing between Andraste and Shartan vs Tevinter mages. For a long time I believed Andraste was Mythal or at least possessed by Mythal and the similarities between Fen'Harel and Shartan the Liberator are obvious. Maybe there's some kind of vicious cycle going on for eternity. I love how they bundled up all the ancient lore of the game so I hope they don't do anything way to definitive with it.
dwarfes dont dream and cant do magic, but once they are connected back to a titan they seem to be able to do both.. so can titans dream? and what if lyrium in the fade is just a dream of a titan?
The biggest question I would love the answer to is “how did mythal even kill a titan?” I don’t want to see them killed, but if the descent DLC took place within the titan’s body, we’ve still never seen what it actually looks like in it’s entirety so the corpse of a titan would have to be absolutely massive, and yet it’s nowhere to be seen… perhaps “the stone” is a sort of afterlife that, when enough dwarf souls go into it, it creates a titan. it makes sense because if a titan is a collection of dwarven thoughts and memories given physical form, then wouldn’t it make sense for this to be the case?
there was no clear cut of where the deep roads ended and the titan begun so i think a dead titans corpse would also just be.. stone but a strange stone but still just stone laying in the earth with not much diffrence to it as to how she could kill them.. well magic prob, not stabbing with a sword
As an Aeuducen Dwarf Lord Grey Warden, I find the titans fascinating and terrifying, what ancient history have the Dwarves in their halls of stone have forgotten? And what once were they?
Theory: The Titans were made Tranquil. The Lyrium is their physical bodies (working as both a circulatory system, a brain, and a memory repository of souls). But because the Titan's are Tranquil, their 'consciousness' was ripped away and IS the Fade. What Solas may be trying to do is unTranquil the Titans.
I have a theory that there is a Titan underneath the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Oghren, while you are speaking to the Guardian guy, mentions there being a large amount of Lyrium in the mountain, enough to almost have a smell. He even theorizes that it could be the Lyrium that keeps the Guardian alive. Perhaps the mountain itself is a Titan? That would be incredible! A high dragon, the Ashes of Andraste, and a Titan, all in one place! If that's the case, I'm surprised it didn't wake up when the Breach was created. Maybe it's dead? Maybe it was in a deeper sleep than the one we encounter in Inquisition? Who knows!
Ghil Dirthalen: "What secrets does the butt of a Titan hold?" Varric Tethras: Nothing good EVER comes out of the Deep Roads, This won't be any different. if the orbs of destruction are all across the Vir'durthara, it makes no sense that Solas was so pissed about his getting broken ? Theory 1 : They were sort of orbs of destruction or Foci (as Solas calls them) but "cheaper" weaker version that is useless to Solas. Theory 2 : They requre a key to use just like the eluvians, remember Corypheus had to UNLOCK Fen'Harell's orb.
Nothing good comes out of the Deep Roads, but the Titans aren't the Deep Roads. Valta, even before the Titan changes her, can immediately tell that the Titan is something else. Something different. Perhaps the Deep Roads are only as bad as they are because they're separate from the Titan.
Theory 3: Each of the Evanuris had created one, as a vanity project, Flemeth says that Solas gave Corypheus 'his' orb. Does that mean that the discarded foci belong to the Evanuris that are trapped? Did any particularly powerful mage make one as proof that they were powerful? needing a certain amount of power to unlock them in the first place as a security measure explains why Solas needed to find someone powerful to unlock his for him. Does Flemeth have one squirreled away somewhere? (Does Abelas know where it is?)
More than likely they were just replicas. There are large orbs held in the talons of owl statues in the Vir-Dirthara as well, but these are obviously just decorations.
Odhran , Solas and the Evanuris are f*cking immortal mage kings, if they can make such orbs before so they can now that waste the entire point of Solas's orb being so priceless. i think that critical ingridient for making the orb is something from the titan's body, something rare.
Do you think that the missing memories, about the Titans, might be in Kal-Sharok? Kal-Sharok was the Capitol of the Dwarven Kingdom before it was moved to Orzimmar by Endrin Stonehammer.
That is Chantry doctrine though. Its why Dwarves, Elves, Vashoth/Tal Vashoth are not allowed to join the Chantry in a formal role. It could be that Faith knew something but it could also be good old fashioned raceisim.
Theory: old eleven gods killed or subdued the titans and mined them for lyrium, using this to gain power. One or more of them lived in or above a titan in the golden city. When the veil was created the titan that they lived on/in was separated into the fade with them as they had lots of magic around it. All titans are somehow connected which is why lyrium still connects to the fade. When the magisters entered the golden city they found the heart of the titan and tried to harness its power. This caused the corruption and the blight. The golden city itself is a titan and it is the blighted titan that is the source of red lyrium. To the titans the blight is more akin to a blood sickness, so the titan is not evil itself but is infected with it. It reached out its song through dreams and was heard by andraste. Thus the maker is actually the titan. I’m not perfectly knowledgeable on all the lore but I’d be interested to hear other people opinions on this idea!
Sooo The fade is a collection of dreams and memories. The lyrium came from the fade, all of it. Including the titans. The titans are the dwarves collective dreams, they are the dwarves' collective "spirit". Like spirits forcefully pulled from the fade the titans may have been forcefully summoned into the physical world. This may have been the ancient dwarves collective decision, to separate themselves from the fade. But instead the used the earth, the mountains, as mediums to possess and give the titans form. Maybe instead of the dwarves fearing falling into the sky because of the upturned sky inside that titan. Maybe it's because theyve always lived underground as we all originally thought and that space inside the titan is a physical representation of that fear just as in the fade. Just like nightmare in the fade.
I'm too cheap to buy the DLCs for Inquisition so I just looked them up on here to see what happens. I watched the last 17 minutes of Decent and the uploader had Varric in their party. And i'm confused as to why Varric wasn't affected but Bolta was? If all dwarves are "children of the stone" shouldn't he of gone through the samething she did?
I’d love to see what they actually looked like, titans are so massive that when it breathes it causes earthquakes, at least that’s what I think due to a bit of dialogue in the descent. But like Dragons are big but based on the fact that we played inside the titan they would probably be able to pick up dragons with two fingers like a piece of lego.
I've been playing DA origins and DA inquisition alot lately. The most common types of darkspawn are the 4. Hurlock, genlock, ogres, and emissaries. They all seem to be corrupt versions of the 4 playable races from DA inquisition. Hurlocks are the race of men, genlocks are dwarves, ogres are qunari, and emissaries are elves. The other types of darkspawn are corrupted animals and other creatures, like the shrieks seem to be werewolves.
Emissaries are darkspawn mages, they can be any of the races. (Although I have never seen an ogre mage.) I think you meant that the elven-origin darkspawn are Shrieks. Oh that is something that never occurred to me before, dwarves cannot do magic, but dwarven-origin darkspawn can be Darkspawn Emissaries. The blight makes dwarves able to use magic.
Well i say that emissaries are elves because they use magic, and when i think elf i think magic, also i thought about it and while there were the genlock emissaries, i meant more of the emissaries from the descent dlc. those ones looked a lot different and reminded me of ancient elves for some reason. Probably because of renn talking about how they're more intelligent than the other darkspawn and all that. i didnt even think about the blight making dwarves able to use magic though which would explain why they can use magic in DA origins. Thats pretty cool
Origins literally states that in one of the Codex entries. Well, almost. They are not as much "corrupt forms", as an actual, DIFFERENT race, with different biology (for example, the notorious "darkspawn blood"). But the Broodmothers actually ARE corrupted females, abducted by the Darkspawn. Broodmothers converted from humans produce Hurlocks, Dwarves - Genlocks, Elves - Sharlocks (commonly known as "Shrieks", due to the sound they make) and Kossith (The primary race of the Qun) - Ogres. Emmisaries use the type of magic, known as "Blight Magic", which is a separate, ehm, school of magic from your usual "Fade Magic". It does not even require a connection to the Fade, thus, might be used by anyone (who is blighted, that is - even Grey Wardens - see "Soldier's Peek" DLC for Origins)
That's right I had forgotten about Avernus' codex entries. He had discovered in his experimentation that demons fear the blight as written in his journal. So blight-magic is demon free, because the blight has some strange relationship with the Fade. Possibly because it is coming from the Abyss, as noted in Andruil's codex entries. I want to learn more about the blight, the fade and the abyss so bad!
I had a thought during your video. What if red lyrium is the blood of dead titans. Perhaps the blight started when the elves killed the first titan to mine their corpse....
Azura Star mind blown if I remember correctly there were codex's form origins found in the deep roads that talk about dwarfs first encounter with darkspawns, and then in Inquisition Dorian talked about how the tervinter empire thinks that they didn't start the blights that the darkspawn was always there. so what if coryphaeus and the other magisters used the corpse of a Titan killed by the elves to enter the vail and weren't cast out as darkspawn because they were already darkspawn.
andrew j Kipp I'm thinking more like, what if the Black City is the current occupation of the Evanuris - as most probably is; and what if when Mythal killed the titan, it became corrupted. Then she forbid anyone to get near it, recognising the danger. The rest of the Evanuris, however, fought her for it, and using the dead corrupted titan, they killed her. In doing so, they became carriers of taint. Then Solas locked them down, and the magisters later visited, only to find this horrible tainted city, and became tainted as well. And the first darkspawn that the dwarves met were the Evanuris followers, who were at the titan carcass with their masters. *tinfoil off*
In regards to “the stone” I have my own theory but it really isn’t anything crazy. As a history major while taking classes one thing I’ve noticed is all the vast different cultural influence from real life people’s goes into the fictional races of DA. The dwarves being ancestor worshipers is very similar to a common Chinese practice, and one of the Chinese philosophies is Taoism also know as “the way” Which to put it REALLY SIMPLY is the idea of this supreme force that everyone goes back to when they die. Very much like the stone, there are more connections such as the value of tradition and such but I don’t intend on writing an essay here hahaha. That could just be the base for the stone and it could very well be more then that in the DA universe but it’s just something I’ve thought about.
Creating a believable culture could be very difficult if it isn't based on anything. If you notice, in science fiction, alien cultures always seem to have one religion (my best example is a season 1 episode of Babylon 5) and, in general, you don't know much about the depth and real culture--you know their government system, and their religion, but don';t really hear many folk stories or anything. I think this is because culture shapes and is shaped by itself and a culture's religion(s) shapes and is shaped by its culture. long story short: it was probably intentionally based on those practices XD
When they keep to the ancient Greek version there is the mother of the titans Gaia/Terra(Earth) and her children Oceanos(Ocean), Cronos(Time), Koios(North), Kreios(South), Hyperion(Sun, Father, East), Iapetos(West){the last 4 are the pillars of the world holding up the sky}, Theia(Moon, Mother), Rhea(Mother of Gods and humans), Mnemosyne(Memories, River of the underworld), Themis(divine order, fairness, law, natural law, and custom) Tethys(Freshwater), Phoibe(Light, grandmother of Artemis(moon) and Apollo(sun), Titan of Prophecy). So we see, when we theoretically give th Ancient Greek Titans/AG Titans, a place in game and belief Solas, perhaps the elven gods somehow connected with the titans? The overarching theme is... kinda similar.
Those gold orbs seem reminiscent of the anchor that solas had. Which we find out was a factor in the construction of the veil and the separation of the worlds. Perhaps that cataclysm affected the titans as well.
The dwarven empire was founded by seven brothers/titans? Or maybe they were like valta like the high priest or strongest connection to the titans maybe this is how paragons started as paragons are supposed to be the will of the ancestors, maybe if the hive mind theory is right the titans could be viewed as the ancestors so valta would carry out their will
Is the sky explicitly inside the titan? Because if it’s not then it could be that Thedas doesn’t have a planet shape. Maybe it’s just a disk and the sky in the ground is literally the other side of the disk.
...or spherical world but Fade Effery/Titan Lyrium Shortcut & so they are observing the opposite side of Thedas? I prefer to think of that inner world as being "Fade Effery" that moved a physical part of the world deep into the earth as a refuge from... idk, probably Alger'non. Maybe the insides(?) of Titans are the physical entrances to the "crossroads" eluvians use & it was through Titan killing that eluvian tech was developed? EDIT: otherwise there is the Old Saying: "it's turtles all the way down".
I have a theory, and I think it might work with all the mythos of the Dragon Age Universe. The Titans are the primordial definition of existence. In our own mythos, the Primordials- Gaea, Uranus, Nyx, Thanatos, Aether, and Tartarus, literally created the universe, or at least, Earth. In Dragon Age, the Titans are shown to be connected to the world in such a way that their essence is tied to the very fabrics of reality. The Evanuris hunted them, killed them, made them afraid, but that is entirely because they understood the power that their opposites harnessed. While the Titans were the physical proof of magick, of eternity, of reality, the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones weren't bound to the confines of reality. Both needed each other, and were connected...but like the wolf chasing the doe, one became overzealous and consumed the other entirely. Prior to that, the Titans begat, or at least took part in the shaping of the Dwarves. We know that anyone touched by the Titans gains mystical powers, and that Dwarves weren't always 'blind' to magic. It states, however indirectly, that the Dwarves gained an aversion over time. Perhaps at one time the Dwarves were mages like the Evanuris, but rather than traversing the Fade or learning to bend the realms of the metaphysical, they learned other magics. Enchantment, lyrium scribing, spiritual cohabitation, and even crafting such elaborate weaponry. We can at least speculate that they had some kind of golems before the Anvil was built, as the Primeval Thaig in DA2 houses them, and it existed long before Caridin or the Anvil. Not only that, but they were known to work side by side with the Imperium during the height of its power, as they helped to build Kirkwall and the Imperium used the Deep Roads. Two sects of powerful mages, both seeking divinity in different ways. As the Evanuris hunted their makers, the Dwarves slowly lost their connection to the Titans and the Stone. It is likely that the Stone is a euphemism for Gaea, the Earth Mother, and her children. With each attack, their strength and attachment dwindled, until the Dwarves underwent a process similar to the Right of Tranquility- they could no longer work magic, but could work amidst its affects unhindered. This is likely how the Right was developed to begin with, by studying the Dwarves and their detachment to their powers, even if it was millennia after the fact. Eventually the Dwarves would fall prey to the Darkspawn, who drove deep enough that they wiped out the outlying thaigs connected to the Titans, removing contact entirely. Only the Sha'Brytol remained to protect their creators. Beyond that, red lyrium would begin to spawn due to the Corruption of the Darkspawn, who were birthed by the Magisters who sundered the Fade with their foul magic. Their essences and demonic allies spread into the territory of the Titans, and infected their blood, creating two separate beings- the red lyrium, which lives and sings in hate, and the Profane, rock wraiths inhabited by demons and the Corruption.
I think Shapers are giant sized dwarves, enlarged by a Titan? Titans make their own bodies from the earth with veins of lyrium running through them, essentially like golems? Dwarves are like Titans' ant workers and the Titan is the queen ant? The Veil has cut off part of Titans making them sleep? They will wake again when Solas takes down the Veil? Maybe giants are giant dwarves cut off from their Titan making them brainless?
I think certain ancient elves killed the Titans and then mined the Titans for their hearts (Foci) and blood (Lyrium) thus becoming the Evanuris due to the power it gave them. Because of their power they started being worshipped as gods. My bet is the Evanuris killed a lot of Titans. Almost a genocide in fact.
Re: "Its workers are witless and soulless". I know there's little to connect Thedas with Middle-Earth, but I thought this was very interesting, as so much of modern fantasy goes back to Tolkien's take on it. In Tolkien works, Eru Iluvatar(God) made the humans and elves and the Valar(gods) and everything around. But it was one of the Valar, who tried to copy Eru Iluvatar and create life who created the Dwarves, and he failed. The end result was weird and short, witless and soulless. They only did what their Maker wanted, and didn't have a life of their own. This makes me wonder- were the Titans like Mahal, trying to create an imperfect form of life? Did some godly force step in to help complete the Titans' works and give them life? The Old Gods, the Evanuris, the Maker? It's not so much an in-universe theory, but one based on the history of fantasy lit. Just a thought.
Since both the dragons and the titans exist beyond the viel, what if the titans form cysts of blighted tissue to protect itself like the dragons. It could be because they are products of both worlds ( "real" and fade) and the blight is foreign to both and their bodies reject it, like an infection. Another theory, what if the old gods where an attempt to combine the titans and dtagons?
Here's a theory for you. These references all seem to point to dwarves having a sort of hive-mind. What if the Stone... Is basically their queen? Moreover, what is that "queen"... Is sandal? Awakened, weakened, cut off from his mind collective. Might explain how he's especially powerful.
I have an interesting theory what if the Titans Are Guardians the planets own defense against the fade before solas tricked the old gods and trapped them they maintained the balance keep magic in check so with magic a shadow of its former power the titans rested and only awaken during events on the level of the breach that would explain why mages need to use lyrium to preform higher levels of mage craft it acts as a seal to keep the fade out but is also allows just enough to come through to performs certain task that explains why coryphius only used corrupted red lyrium because he was trying to avoid waking a titan but thats just a theory
Basically the Titans are the most incomprehensible thing in the in the DA lore. How large do they get? It seems they are larger than Mass Effect Reapers. Where is the border between the usual rocks and the titan? How beings infinitely smaller like the elves defeated them? How the anatomy of the titan even work? All of this is very unclear, and even detracting from the rather detailed and facinating DA lore.
What if the _'they made them forget'_ wasn't referring to the Titan's but the dwarves instead? The elves were responsible for breaking their connection to the Titans, whatever that truly was, and they were fearful of the power they possessed because they could shape and move the ground as they saw fit. It is no secret that Mythal and her ilk waged war against them because of this. Mythal slew the first Titan and encountered lyrium. The pantheon followed suit and slew more in their quest for power by gaining more lyrium. Whether the blight came before or during the war they enslaved dwarves to continue mining lyrium, saying that they 'freed' them from the titan's hold. The blight was created or unleashed in reaction to this violation due to their greed over want of more lyrium, not realising that the titans served multiple functions as not just shapers of the land. Mythal realised too late the mistake they made and attempted to seal the corruption away, only by doing so creating a half-measure that would only buy them time. Over time, due to many unforeseen circumstances, many of the dwarves 'forgot' where they came from and their connection to the titans due to the violation at the hands of the ancient elves. Some pockets of dwarves loyal to the titans remained and took measures to ensure they wouldn't be discovered or interrogated. It could be a massive collective consciousness that is able to communicate in another state of being that anyone but dwarves could ever really understand. Which is why Dagna has trouble trying to explain what she experienced. How do you explain sight to the blind? There is also one thing I want to venture into the discussion; Memories. When something dies, it returns to the earth. It doesn't matter how or in what state it is in, it _always_ returns to the ground. Would it be far-fetched to say that the memories of that being is accumulated by the titans and shared through the collective consciousness or even added to it? Spirits have an understanding of them, if Cole is any indication.
My question is, how do titans produce lyrium exactly? Because if you take human anatomy, the heart (while surely being a vital organ lol) only pumps blood but doesn’t produce it. Blood cells are produced in the bone marrow. I know of course that titans aren’t humans or even mammals for that matter. Still, I’m thinking, is there maybe something like the bone marrow somewhere in a titan? Some weird organ which makes new lyrium? And how would that work? Would there be a magical equivalent of stem cells?? Could you use it to grow something else entirely??? One more thing I’m curious about is the titan mural in Trespasser. Many people speculate how it depicts the process of creating a foci. But I think it depicts the process of… splitting an atom? Magical fission, so to speak. I think ancient elves discovered a new source of energy within a titan and tried to utilize it somehow. Naturally, it didn’t end well.
I’m very comfused about what dreaming is like in thedas. do you travel to the fade when you dream? could you maybe do an episode about that and possibly the somniari?
What I find quite interesting about the Titans on top of everything you just said is something quite basic: their name. Why did Bioware decide on the name Titan? Just because of the size? Because we associate them with immense size? What if it’s something else? What if it’s a slight nod to Greek/Roman mythology? This is totally tinfoil hat type stuff, but in Greek mythology, titans were the 12 primeval deities and parents of the Gods. I find that especially interesting since we don’t really know where or what the “Forgotten Ones” might be. We know that Old Gods get awakened and an arch demon shows up, but that always happens under the earth. Why? Ok, enough of the random theory, this was, as always, a fantastic video. You always put them together so well!
makanivalur also in Norse mythology the giant ymir gave life to the dwarves through his blood so kind of similar connection to titans and dwarves of dragon age
Is Korth a titan? A fight between him and a serpent destroyed mount Belenas, he carved caves for the Avvar to live in, he fathered dwarves, his heart was sealed away (which you yourself have connected to titans)... Mount Belenas was moved to the realm of the lady of the skies, which might be how they "made them forget". Basically, my headcanon is that there's a titan in the fade.
Regarding the Titans' connection to the dwarves: Wouldn't this mean that they are the dwarves' connection to the fade? Raw lyrium permeates the fade and that means the blood of titans flows and forms a bridge between this world and the fade. If Valta actually feels the Titan's blood flowing through her, she could have its properties. Valta could literally be weaving between the fade and reality, and that could be why she struggles with time and able to have journal pages appear in skyhold.
You mentioned a Titan maybe being the Stone and it’s some kind of leader, but what if the Stone is just a term for Titans in general? What if Titans are just the collected thoughts of dwarves made physical? I think you said something about golems just becoming the thoughts of the dwarf who is encased in the armor so it could maybe support the idea of Titans just being hive minds of dead dwarves
First of all, great video. I'll check out more of your content. Criticisms. Idk how much of the "lyrium connects to the titan hivemind" theory i like, because then wouldn't templars and mages act dwarfy? People mention they think red lyrium is lyrium that's "dead", but why is it stronger then regular lyrium? I like the idea that something happened to make the dwarves forget about the Stone/Titan, and not just"eh, it was a long time ago". But i dont want it to be as simple as some of the comments saying "Mythal/an Evanuris made them forget". Some comment also mention maybe Mythal killed a Titan, I dont want her to be that strong, you know, think about how strong a Titan with its...billions of gallons of lyrium blood it has, it would have to be stronger than all the mages on Thedas combined. I think i like the idea of maybe the Evanuris mining the Titan after it died, but then, how the hell would Solas be stronger than them? If we're to take that mural literally, why is a human there on the left? On a larger note, I want aspects of all the theologies, the Titans, Maker, Elves, Tevinter God dragons, to be true and maybe the elven Forgotten Ones could be TDG, or something else. One of the things that made DAO good, was that there was a bit of mystery with the religions, and each race had something. Dwarves had lyrium, elves had eluvians, humans, well they were given kind of a pass, but later had the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Which, when you first played DAO, you didnt really know that the temple had lyrium in it. I cant be the only one to notice this, but the DA universe lore is like a mix of Witcher, Elder Scrolls and World of Warcraft. Its like Witcher because elves have ways to travel across worlds, were immensely powerful(granted this could be said about most rpgs but i think its more focal/unique in terms of these two universes), there was a rebellion of sorts, even the idea that humans interacting with elves caused them mortality. Its like WoW because of the Titans. They're basically the same thing, both have powerful blood, lyrium vs. Azerite, create(probably) the dwarves, are kind of mechanical, and are inside the world(s). Its like Elder Scrolls because dragons are primordial, i guess most mythologies and fantasies they are, have ties to gods, there's mystery to what's really true and how one culture thinks what a god is but its something different to another one. Plus, Old Gods tied to darkspawn? Sounds like the curse of flesh to me that Yogg-Saron gave.
So if the Titan was asleep, does that mean that maybe it was in the Fade for some reason? Maybe holding something back or doing something important there? Is that maybe why Dwarves cannot go to the Fade for some reason and the theories on that involving Lyrium are incorrect or incomplete? And if it's a collection of Dwarven memories, is a Titan maybe some kind of pre-cursor to Golems? A much more complicated Golem that wasn't just one Dwarf inside but many from some primal time in the Dwarves history? And love the thought of the 'sky' from inside the Titan is what gave Dwarves a fear of the sky on the surface and makes them seem less silly and is a fear rooted in the real history of their people. Great video!
What if Corypheus literally slew a titan when he created the breach, as he was using an orb as Mythal did. Thus the source of the red lyrium at the temple of sacred ashes is the slain titan. This might also explain why the breach cause the other titan to stir. It on some empathic level was reacting to the death of its kin?
What the Sha-Brytol are to a healthy titan darkspawn are to a blighted one. Both titan and old gods sing to their servants, both have a means of telepathy. Also darkspawn are akin to a tranquility that has been awoken. I am going out on a limb and going to say the Golden City isn't not Arlathan but the heart/open space of the blighted titan.
it would not be too far stretched to assume most solid land is/was titan as lyrium veins are the "veins" of a titan which are found in a lot of places.
Also haven't all broodmothers been dwarven? That might also be a good hint that the blight is related to titans and their children. It is revealed in DAO that the dwarves had long encountered darkspawn before humans where conscious of them and that they only bore dwarven form initially. It seems obviously to me that genlocks are impure/infected Sha-Brytal from the death of their titan. I have a feeling though that something changed that when the magisters entered the black city they changed the nature of this infection. That they are the ones who incorporated the old ones into it in some misguided veneration.
It's interesting how a sleeping Titan "still sings a song", I immediately thought of the sleeping Old Gods who are... also attracting darkspawn by a song.
Codex entries mention that the Sylvan encountered in Origins are trees possessed by Fade spirits, who then warp the wood over generations to be able to move freely and speak. The Rock Wraiths in DA2 are what I assume to be the stone equivalent to the Sylvan, which is enforced by the Rock Wraith that attempts to make a deal with Hawke to get them out of the Deep Roads, identified by both Anders and Merrill as being a demon.
I have two theories about sandals 1 is that he is King garotte mentioned in the Descent DLC becoming connected to the Titan then living hundreds of years past is natural limit which makes him mentally slower then he should be the other three is he has the soul of one of the tavinter magisters like corpheus and the architect from Awakening there is a codex that said dwarfs found 3 tall speaking darkspawn in the Deep roads one fled one killed and ate the other since both corypheus and the architect has no knowledge on the others theres 3 are not them and we saw corypheus revive once he is killed in the Forest Temple perhaps was a blighted baby dwarf and the dead Magister so went into him and he became like Connor with the old God's soul in him
so if lyrium is the blood of titans does that mean that there is a titan darkspawn/ghoul, because after that one mission in dragon age inquisition Bianca says that red lyrium has the blight, so if lyrium is the blood of titans then red lyrium would be the blood of a titan darkspawn/ghoul
Hope your Thanksgiving was a good one! I love the idea of titan purity mirroring real human blood inside vs outside the body. Blue before oxidation, but red afterwards. Maybe titans view beings that would bleed red as impure? Also, I know that magic fueled with blood has some different rules than being fueled by lyrium. Since going inside the titan though, it framed absolutely all magic as a sort of "blood magic" to me. Lyrium being just blood from a giant creature instead of a person. Do you think this will impact the Chantry and Circles in the next game? If all magic is kind of like blood magic, I can see there being huge pushback against the old ways and church laws. Possible magical anarchy.
I think titans are spirits. They both birthed the dwarves somehow and are in turn birthed by them. This is the connection. The spirits that took the earth as flesh are linked to their creation. Spirits are, we know, basically what happens when an idea takes on a life of its own. It can be simple, performing a specific task, or complex and make its own decisions. But it is a thought entity. This is why I think dwarves make new titans. And why the titans see the dwarves as their children. A bit chicken or the egg but in general the bond between them makes them one entity. They may be seperate from each other in body but in spirit they are entwined. Each renewing and enriching the other.
A bit late to the party but, I believe Sandal is an ancient dwarf who once had magic, but when the Veil was created his connection was severed, hence why he is simple in that respect he is much like the tranquil, as we have seen in DA2 you can be made(for lack of a better term un-tranquil) temporarily but maybe he found a sleeping titan and he was reconnected to the fade however he is not fully reconnected
idk if any one has ever put this forward but is it possible that because lyrium kind of...enforces reality, and elven immortality went away because the veil went down, that the process was already beginning when mythal began using lyrium? idk
Dwarves were magic and could weild magic but they were also more like automatons "apart of it" as Dagna says to such a degree they had no will and were controlled by the will of Lyrium and the Titans when the Titans were struck down Dwarves gained control of their senses but lost their ability to use magic. This is why they are immune to Lyrium's negative effect but also why they are no longer "Tall" sort of like the Leviathans from Mass effect 3 or think of them like a mech suit and the Titans their Pilots.They had no true minds of their own till a Titan sort of drove them so all acient acient Dwarven history is actually the history of what the Titans experienced so those memories are memories of Dwarven Bodies but Titan minds inside of them.
The craziest mystery aside from Valta’s disappearance after the scream is what the hell is up with Leliana? Normal Leliana is mysteriously resistant to the Blight, and if you killed her in DA:O and don’t make her divine, she disappears with a note saying that she was sung into being by Lyrium. She’s not a dwarf, so what makes this random human so special?
My theory is that Solas will attempt to awaken the titans to enact his plan to destroy the world, smashing through the veil in the process and then unlocking his full magical abilities with a now free fade to remake the world. Fairly easy overarching story there. You can have the Anderfels, Dornak jungle, Tevinter, Seheron and Par Vollen as locations to explore. Think it will be a good story that.
So the forgotten ones are the titans? The elves at war with these titans and they were seen as gods for winning a war? Because everyone have forgotten them
Do you think that, if the Titan in the dlc awakens, then we'll see dwarves with magic or was that a Valta-specific event? Also, Happy Thanksgiving from Canada! Your videos have really made me think about the games, even though I've only played DAI and I really admire how much research and critical analysis goes into them.
Watching this on Halloween morning 2024, to brush up on my lore, while i watch Steam like a hawk for Veilguard release. LOL. THANK YOU for making these videos!!
firstly fantastic video and channel. Secondly here is my theory I think the taint is the true enemy, it aims to kill all the ancestor gods of the various races It seems to me that almost every race has some sort of god. The Elves have the Evurianians The Dwarves have the Titans The Humans may have the Old Gods? The Qunari seem to have some sort of blood connection to Dragons? The taint can infect titan blood (lyrium), it can infect an Old God (Archedemon), and it can infect a dragon (Cophy's pet). We haven't seen it infect a Evurian yet, so maybe we will in the future, or maybe they are the ones who created it in the first place Also re my qunari theory - Given the comments made by Old God Kerien to a Qunari inquisitor, Qunari blood is related to dragons, and as Iron bull said a lot of their traits perhaps originate from Dragons, but most interestingly he said that he can here dragon blood singing to him. Now this theory is weak given Cophy calls Qunari race a mistake, and a lot of other people think they could be Elf reavers , maybe some Tevinter experiment with elf slaves and dragon blood? but who knows, maybe they are a race of dragon men
We have seen an Evanuris, Solas. But, also, they are only gods to the Dalish, I believe in the time before they were locked in the Fade by Solas, they were simply extremely powerful elves. (note: all elves were mages before the Veil was created) I think only Tevinter venerated the Old Gods, and then that was before the blights; now it's the Maker (and Andraste if you aren't from Tevinter)
Yeah, I'm resurrecting this as I wanna go back and play things again. I never did get to play DA:I past level 7 cuz I broke my game. BAD. I broke all my DA games somehow. Now, some years later, I wanna try again and I have a super soft spot for DA games, so this channel has been cool to rekindle the old memory and get juices flowing again. So these Titans... they ARE the memories, right? Dwarves make so much of memories and keeping history and going back to the Stone... becoming part of the collective memory? Never being forgotten, no experience wasted, the ultimate in eternal life (Heaven for a dwarf)... except the one that was killed. So many memories lost, so much of the Deep Roads forgotten. because the Titan that held those memories was slain. Maybe? It would explain thinking all the thoughts, walking tall- Dagna, the cutie, connected through the Lyrium which is the literal blood of the Titans. huh. Elves have the Fade (or came from it) and Dwarves have the Stone (or came from it?) and it's sort of the same thing, respectively. Leaving Templars as vampires. And in their armor, they sparkle. Oh, bad territory, here.
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But we know that Mythal 'made them forget'. That the shaperate has no record of titans existence. Wouldn't that make the titans the forgotten ones? That Solas sealed away both the gods AND the forgotten ones could be why the titans are sleeping. We also know that Andruil hunted the forgotten ones, and then 'made weapons of darkness and plague ate her lands'. If the forgotten ones are titans, wouldn't this support the notion that dead titan = blight? Titans are constantly associated with the earth, with creation. We are told that they 'sang thought into being'. Perhaps with their death they bring the absense of creation, the 'utter darkness' that is the blight. I suspect Mythal made them forget by removing their recorded memories of the titans.
I think you very, very close to the mark.
oooh this is a really cool theory. It also immediately brought to mind the 'song' the Wardens hear towards the end of their life, when they feel compelled to go into the Deep Roads to end it (or is that only tradition? Regardless, it's a bit ironic.) If they became Wardens through consumption of darkspawn blood i.e. the blight-- and if the blight comes from the death of a titan and perhaps their tainted blood-- and of course all lyrium is said to 'sing' ... It just seems very interesting and connected.
And as it's commented in the game that dwarves really do 'return to the stone' when they die, and that lyrium with its ability to hold memories and thoughts might in fact be the collective consciousness of all dwarves past (and, if some of the other theories here are correct, all dwarves living used to be connected to it like some sort of hivemind) then perhaps that is connected to the death of a titan = blight. Maybe upon the death of the titan, without the greater force for creation and harmony or whatever it is the titan IS, perhaps all the souls/minds within the lyrium go mad in the silence/void or whatever you might call the absence where there once was something as powerful and all-encompassing as a titan. Or just somehow the death of the titan twisted them, altered them-- quite literally blighted them. Maybe this is what creates darkspawn and their drive to destroy?
I really like the theory but if the death of a titian is connected to the blight we have only 2 recorded times of a titian being awoke yet there has been 5 blights I dont know maybe it's only being recorded twice but more died far down into the stone I dont know ethier way I love the theory
isabella stens A Blight (as in the event) comes when there’s a corrupted Old God. The origin of the blight (as in the disease) is what we’re talking about here.
As an origin for the blight, I like this theory. And it would go a long way to explain where the blight actually comes from since a) it effects the Elven gods/Old gods/Old God Avatars(?) and b) it clearly was around before the Magisters played themselves. My only issue is aren’t the forgotten ones supposed to be Elves as well? And if not, then how did Solas become so familiar with the dwarves? The Dread Wolf tricked both sides after all. Plus, why does the corrupted song seek out whatever the old gods are? If it’s the madness of the collected dwarves consciousness you’d think the dark spawn target would be Titans or their hearts? Granted, we don’t know what the Wardens are guarding at the old god locations, but dragons have never really been a dwarf thing. I’ve always assumed the old gods (either the forgotten ones or the Evanuris) tricked the magisters into unleashing the blight in order to corrupt the other party and break the veil in doing so.
This makes sense. If the dwarves and Titans were once connected, maybe Solas creating the Veil was what separated them and is the reason why dwarves can't be mages, because dwarves have been cut off from the source of lyrium that they were once intrinsically connected to, and thus have no connection to the Fade.
Humans and Elves never had such a connection, so their connection to lyrium mustn't have been so deeply affected. So this is the state in which Titans are sleepinh. This fits in with The Descent, in which the Breach, or a connection to the Fade, has reawoken the Titan, and because of the Titans reconnection to the Fade, Dagna, a dwarf, (and dwarves were once intrinsically linked to the Stone aka Titans) is now able to possess magic, as dwarves once did before the Titans slept because of the creation of the Veil.
Additionally, if the Blight is "Dead Titan" then this would mean that it's the opposite to the Fade, or severs a connection to the Fade. I believe that Sandal was perhaps touched by a Titan like Dagna was at the end of The Descent, however the Titan Sandal encountered was blighted. So upon being touched by a normal and healthy Titan, Dagna re-established/strengthened her connection to the Fade and became almost like a spirit (more on that later). However, upon being touched by a blighted Titan Sandal lost his connection to the Fade, being made Tranquil. With all this in mind, it seems to me that because of the Dwarves special relationship with the Titans, as they appear in the games (when the Titans are asleep, or between death and life), they are in a sort of limbo state, if the titans are dead the dwarves are completely cut off from the fade and, if touched, made tranquil, if the titans are alive then the dwarves would be extremely connected to the the Fade, through the Titans, even more so than regular mages and being almost spirit-like, this is why Dagna's connection to the Fade has produced such bizarre results, her magic seems unlike any other we've seen and her thoughts become rambled and incoherent much like how we've seen spirits express themselves. Dagna seems a lot like a spirit, who would be able to appear in multiple places without regard for roads etc. This explains her notes being found randomly about Skyhold.
Mythal has a shrine atop Sundermount, beneath which is (probably) a Blighted Titan she killed.
There are seven such "sacred mountains"
There are seven Old Gods
There are seven elven gods excluding Solas and Mythal
I don't know what but there's *something* in all that
Cole says in trespasser when you go in the deep roads something like ‘it wants to wake up but it can’t remember how. This isn’t right no one should be here’ so there is another on nearby. Also the human qunari we meet says that the more they dig, the more lyrics there is.
So weird
Maybe the old elf gods killed titans for lyrium to become so powerful and rule over the old elven. Hence their power.
That's simi what I was thinking. Look at Greek lore on titans.
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If the Elven gods managed to kill things that are bigger than mountains and have lyrium for blood then they clearly didn't need a power boost to rule over the elves.
@@campbellsoup93 It would fit with the ideas Solas espouses of the Evanuris constantly seeking more and more power and adulation.
@@No_Plays_Hand_Empty Oh I have no doubt they'd covet the power. Dictators (and wannabe gods) generally do.
I just don't think they'd NEED it to 'become so powerful and rule over' the elves. If they can kill a Titan, they're already powerful enough for that.
If anything they were like human nobles (Magisters in Tevinter or nobility in Orlais) and they did it to gain a leg up on some other group that they were rivals with.
Or maybe just power for powers sake. That's always an option.
So my Templar Inquisitor has been drinking a Titans blood the whole time? Wow
It's literally Blood Magic... Magical Blood consumed to combat magic through bending reality into stability. The hypocrisy and irony here knows no bounds.
Titan juices? Mmmmhhh
Back from veilguard. I’ve learned one simple fact that has made the Titans and my previous theories about Sandel so much more fucking sad.
Titans were once powerful constructs of elemental fury, born of the world itself. They shaped the earth with their dreams, giving rise to the wind and the rain, and the skies and the land. In time, spirits of tremendous power manifested in physical bodies as the first of the Elves, confirming theories of Elves not being native to Thedas in the most literal sense. These first elves became maddened by the presence of the Titans, viewing their shaping of the world as chaos that needed to be curbed. They severed their minds from their bodies, cutting the Titans off from the world itself, and leaving their sleeping bodies behind on Thedas. In the Fade, the Titans dreams soured into nightmares, warping them into the first spectral tentacles of the Blight.
After the Titans fell, the Dwarves broke from them and built their civilization atop their bodies. Originally, they lived _within_ the Titans, walking their veins and organs like vast palatial chambers, and guarding them against all who’d seek to destroy them. They were child and caretaker, blood _and_ skin.
During this time, the Dwarves had magic of a kind. The Song of the Stone, which could call upon a small portion of the Titan’s strength to augment that of a Dwarf to new heights. After the Elves brought them down, the Song ceased and the Dwarves lost their magic.
Sander is good at enchantment, I think, because he’s an Avatar of the Titan. He remembers the days of the old Dverga, who lived within the Gods, and so he can work Lyrium like no one else. The reason he’s so child-like is because the Titans themselves have been rendered child-like by the severing of their dreams. They’re Tranquil, and as such they’ve become more innocent in their mindset.
Playing Veilguard now, for those of us without complete understanding of the lore this video in particular is SO HELPFUL.
I like the idea of Sandal being touched by a Titan like Valta, but instead of being a spy or like the Sha-Brytol what if he was touched by a titan that died and the death of it negatively affected his mind? If someone is connected to a being of thought what happens to them when that being dies? What happens to their thoughts? Their mind?
Personally, i think sandal is exactly what the inquisitor was thought to be, on a greater scale. Rather than a herald of a god, a god in mortal form, Like solas, but even older... Older than the elder gods, so old he has forgotten how to pass as mortal. Sandal
is the thedas version of odin. Or he is the only dwarven mage. Ever. I just hope hes back in 4.
Lilly Mankin He could be an escaped/lost Sha-Brytol kid. They seem quite good at working lyrium. That'd be very boring though :D
I always suspected this bodahn did find him in the deep roads
Ok, point for the line "What does the butt of a Titan hold?"
Also, I wonder if Fenris' markings have anything to do with the Sha-Brytal
That magister had no idea what he was on to when he fused that lyrium to Fenris.
fenris sucks
Im pretty sure that markings were Ancient Elven origin, not titans. Especially considering that Magisters stole and still are stealing from Ancient Elves.
@@kakoofd6539 fenris don't suck he misunderstood he just such sweetheart and I know hates mage but doesn't hate hawke if she mage or he
I believe Titans are likely the equivalent of giant Golems, but instead of one Dwarf soul inside them, it was a MASSIVE amount of them. A hivemind. The Stone. When the Dwarves were disconnected from the Titans, they gained independance, but lost their connection to the Fade (which they might have gotten from the Titan's Lyrium. The Titan's blood). Though maybe the dwarves weren't "inside" the Titans, but connected to them through a colective consiousness. Or maybe they were inside and had no bodies. Or maybe they were sometimes inside and sometimes given a temporary body to serve as essentially slaves? This last bit I'm not too sure.
Maybe the Titans were rendered Tranquil? Severing the link between them and the Dwarves. We saw in the murals from Tresspasser that the Elven Gods used orbs to render the Titans Asunder. Yet these orbs were likely the same that tore the veil open and created the Breach in Inquisition. Yet this was before the Veil was created. Meaning that perhaps the Titans being disconnected from the Fade (which was a part of the world at the time) using these orbs effectively put them down. Asleep, dormant or Traquil. But not dead. Just disconnected from the world. And from the Dwarves. Maybe. Just thinking out loud on this last bit.
Golems are merely an imitation of what Titans once were.
oooh i like this "titans were made tranquil" and this both immunised dwarves against lyrium/magic and severed them from the Titan hivemind & The Fade.
...which makes Sandal FASCINATING.
Solas on the dwarves, "They are like the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood (lyrium)."
I think that the Golems are a smaller, lesser version of the Titans as well. I question the idea that Dwarfs came from Titans though, I know Solas says they're "like the severed arm of a great hero lying in a pool of blood" and many take that and other lore such as the lines about being "as tall as a mountain... Or I was the mountain? And my thought was everybodys thoughts" along with other lore to be they were a hive-mind or something like that. I think it is entirely possible for that theory to be true, but I think it's also possible that the Dwarfs discovered the Titans during the war with the Ancient Elves and struck a bargain to save themselves from being wiped out by what would've seemed the most terrifying spirits ever, to become physical beings with magical abilities the Dwarfs never could or have possessed and that appear to be unkillable (the ones that lore tells us are Gods and that came from the Fade.) As far as I know and have researched the lore is the Ancient Elves fought the Titans and Dwarfs, but what if we're putting the Titans first due to their size, power, and lack of true knowledge-- what if the war was among the Ancient Elves and Dwarfs first? Dwarfs would likely have been terrified of these new beings, their power, and their quick ability to spread throughout the world. The Ancient Elves might have seen them as a threat for not bowing to them or useless as slaves and thus simply beneath them, somehow a war begins between the two fight but it's clear the Ancient Elves will destroy the Ancient Dwarven people because of their magic. The Dwarfs would've used the Deep Roads and many cave entrances on the surface to their advantage, but still become pushed back farther and farther. I believe it is possible that one party of Ancient Dwarfs found a Titan or many Titans and the ruler of Dwarfs plead for his people to survive the war and a bargain was struck between the two. The Ancient Dwarfs would gain new and guarded secrets about Lyrium aka Titan Blood, such as it's use in weapons and ways to use it in building materials or perhaps protection for the remaining Dwarfs once the Elves claim victory by believing to have killed the Dwarfs or the Dwarfs surrender and the Titans would gain knowledge of the world outside as they slept for thousands of years. If the place where we find the Titan in the DLC is similar for all places Titans find it could explain why Dwarfs fear falling into the sky, as it is seen below in that area with the Titan. It may explain why they revere the Stone, as through oral record keeping it got jumbled in years leading up to the Shaperate in the capital and later intentionally kept out to keep peace within their culture and people and the world at large.
But that's just my thought, I recognize that this assumes Dwarfs lived topside for a bit and are already unable to use magic (unless aided by Titans? Not sure still) and could work with lyrium as present day Dwarfs... So extra tin?
Oh one of the old tall dwarves. Not said in games but they could have been slowly getting shorter as they aged as a species. Just like the elves because mortal. Slowly dying younger and and younger.
And if a Titan was rendered Tranquil before the Veil was created, then the Breach opening would make sense why the Titan in The Descent started to act up.
there's a mine in the western approach that has a grey warden journal that says they thought a arch demon was there because they could hear a song that grew stronger as they went deeper, but the song weaken the tunnels till the wardens were forced to abandon it. I kinda thought it was a hint to Titans when the dlc came out, that there could be another Titan under the sands.
"What secrets does the butt of a Titan hold?"
1. This was fucking hilarious.
2. Seriously what is down there? Is there even a center of the earth in Thedas? Or just a void that goes on forever?
Heavy Sera vibes inbound.
I wanted to say this but knew someone must have beaten me to it by now.
it could be THE Void or this could be more "ancient elves effing about with reality & The Fade" - eluvians lead to all sorts of places that exist physically yet don't match up with any known places in Thedas nor seem touched since before The Veil.
alt: Titans are like that big sphere in ST:TNG that has a sun within it or Titans are worlds in & of themselves.
yeah, and also mages use lyrim potions too.
Cole's comment at 7:08, about the ancient shapers "walking their memories into valleys of the world", reminds me of a passage from the Chant of Light: "Seven times seventy men of stone immense" [walked around] "And in the hollows of their footprints / Paradise was stamped, indelible". Which gives us a ballpark estimate for the number of titans.
I had originally assumed that the line about Paradise meant that the land left in their footprints was somehow idyllic, but I think it might instead refer to _memories_ of Paradise.
Give me a good Dwarven reason and sod the rest.
Do you remember Nexus Golem from DA2? I jaw-dropped when I saw the Descent and remembered his exact quote: 'The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast.'
Regarding what happened to the dead titan, here's my theory.
In the codex entry 'Vir Dirthara: Signs of Victory,' it describes "a monument made in a single afternoon by a thousand-thousand toiling servants swarming over a lump of fallen stone as large as a collapsed mountain. By the end of the day, the stern figure of Elgar'nan stares down into a valley, carved out from the foothills of the rock." Similarly, in the codex entry 'Song to Elgar'nan', one of the lines is "Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities." and another is "Burn the ground under your gaze."
It seems to me these two codex entries refer to the same thing - a massive monument to Elgar'Nan that was (in my theory) carved from the corpse of a titan to shame and terrify the dwarves, which is referenced in the 'Torn Notebook in the Deep Roads, Section 2' codex entry with this bit: "Though I remember my Keeper telling a story about how the dwarves fear the sun because of Elgar'nan's fire. A metaphor for the elves of Arlathan driving the dwarves underground?" Elgar'Nan's fire here, being the giant Elgar'Nan statue they carved: "Light radiates from the eidolon's narrowed eyes and its open, snarling mouth."
Not 100% sure where it all leads - particularly with regards to "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger." Though I suppose the most obvious answers would be something to do with the blight / the fade / the source of magical power blooming from titans (lyrium) / or just generally having a bunch of living mountains with thousands of mind controlled antibodies to fight you. I bet it sure makes Solas glad that the Titans and Dwarves are now more like "... the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. "
Some believe the Titans could've possibly been made BY the elves, and some say the Titans made the Dwarves,....... the Titans are also known to be in a Slumber or deep sleep,..... the Sha-Brytol guard them..... from what tho!? I believe the Sha-Brytol Guard the Titans as an Old God to not become corrupted by the Taint/Darkspawn.... we know the Red Lyrium is Lyrium corrupted by the Blight ... does this mean since Lyrium is the Blood of the Titan that THEY can become tainted as well!?
Dwarves have always fascinated me in multiple mythos/stories .... the Dragon Age Dwarves in my opinion have a unique Similarity to Tolkiens Dwarves of Middle Earth.... they have a Lost history/empire that can never be FULLY restored/recovered! If you see any correlation between these facts/clues .. please feel free to tell me what you make of it... :D
Atrast nal tunsha! (May you always find your way in the Dark)
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq Wow. I only now realized, that the words atrast and tunsha, kind of sound similar to the same words in my language. Atrast-to find , and tunsha-tumsa means dark/darkness.
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq maybe the titan who is currepted by the blight is the origin for the song and the arch demons are just his extention
@@seelfire4725 OR, it's possible the Sha-Brytol guard the Titans, NOT because THE TITANS can become corrupted, but what IF the Titans THEMSELVES ARE the Underground Prisons the Old Gods are sleeping in and their Body is a giant Shell containing them.
They're bigger than an Archdemon in Size, so it IS Possible. Not only that but it would explain why it takes so long in BETWEEN Blights.. the Darkspawn have to search deep in the Earth, "digging blind" as it were, and then once they FIND the source of the Old Gods calling, they'd have to get past the Sha-Brytol who guard it as WELL as the Titan that can fend for itself.
In 1 codex in Dragon Age: Origins, there's a Dwarven Scouts report of a bloody underground chamber that had tons of Giant Claw marks on the walls and stains of blood... the scout concluded it was an Archdemon's Lair.. or Prison Cell so to speak. If that's true, who's to say that since the Titans don't just fall apart once opened by Darkspawn, and appear to simply be part of the caves and terrain seeing as how they're made of rock, someone wouldn't know if the difference between a Titans Corpse and a Small hill/Mountain (:/)!
*That being said, I believe Titans have more to do with the Blights than we realize.. and since no one has ever witnessed an Old Gold become corrupted by the Darkspawn, than no one can really DISprove this theory just as much as we can't actually prove it (:/)*
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq but that would not explain why there is no dark spawn there unles the sha-brytol are the best dark spawn killer to ever exist.. there was a little camp of them jsut above that mine but it seemed like non tried t ogo down so i dont know :c
I believe Mythal created her Well of Sorrows using a technique similar to the dwarven Memories from the Titans, through observation and experimentation.
Interesting.
I always thought that the Titans form the planet(or world) Thedas is on. When Mythal "killed" the Titans to harness their power, they fell together and created all of the solid world. When the Veil was created, it separated Titans and the Fade, stranding the Elves on the Titans themselves. Dwarfs were always part of the Titans, whether they were created by the Titans or they created the Titans - it doesn't matter that much as they forgot about it but it hints that the ancient Dwarfs were at odds with ancient Elves. Maybe it really is a neverending mythical battle of Reality against Dreams - dreams shaping reality, reality giving basis for dreams.
Also, there are a lot of parallels between the conflict Mythal and Fen'Harel vs Evanuris(God-mages) and the that whole thing between Andraste and Shartan vs Tevinter mages. For a long time I believed Andraste was Mythal or at least possessed by Mythal and the similarities between Fen'Harel and Shartan the Liberator are obvious. Maybe there's some kind of vicious cycle going on for eternity.
I love how they bundled up all the ancient lore of the game so I hope they don't do anything way to definitive with it.
dwarfes dont dream and cant do magic, but once they are connected back to a titan they seem to be able to do both.. so can titans dream? and what if lyrium in the fade is just a dream of a titan?
The biggest question I would love the answer to is “how did mythal even kill a titan?” I don’t want to see them killed, but if the descent DLC took place within the titan’s body, we’ve still never seen what it actually looks like in it’s entirety so the corpse of a titan would have to be absolutely massive, and yet it’s nowhere to be seen… perhaps “the stone” is a sort of afterlife that, when enough dwarf souls go into it, it creates a titan. it makes sense because if a titan is a collection of dwarven thoughts and memories given physical form, then wouldn’t it make sense for this to be the case?
there was no clear cut of where the deep roads ended and the titan begun so i think a dead titans corpse would also just be.. stone but a strange stone but still just stone laying in the earth with not much diffrence to it
as to how she could kill them.. well magic prob, not stabbing with a sword
I always wonder if there is place where all the knowledge is kept or if the devs just make it up as they go along.
Its for sure a combination of both. Good ideas and good frameworks that are changed and molded as they come up with new ideas.
@@45heisman I wonder how much more of a nightmare it is to be the lore keeper for Elder Scrolls lol
Maybe it's already been said, but I really hope Sandal is in Dragon Age 4 in a similar role as Dagna was in Inquisition.
Discovered your channel a few days ago and I'm hooked! You make all my Dragon Age nerdy lore dreams come true.
by the blight, they had better put sandal in DA4. My second favorite character was barely even mentioned in inquisition.
As an Aeuducen Dwarf Lord Grey Warden, I find the titans fascinating and terrifying, what ancient history have the Dwarves in their halls of stone have forgotten? And what once were they?
Theory: The Titans were made Tranquil. The Lyrium is their physical bodies (working as both a circulatory system, a brain, and a memory repository of souls). But because the Titan's are Tranquil, their 'consciousness' was ripped away and IS the Fade. What Solas may be trying to do is unTranquil the Titans.
I have a theory that there is a Titan underneath the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Oghren, while you are speaking to the Guardian guy, mentions there being a large amount of Lyrium in the mountain, enough to almost have a smell. He even theorizes that it could be the Lyrium that keeps the Guardian alive. Perhaps the mountain itself is a Titan? That would be incredible! A high dragon, the Ashes of Andraste, and a Titan, all in one place! If that's the case, I'm surprised it didn't wake up when the Breach was created. Maybe it's dead? Maybe it was in a deeper sleep than the one we encounter in Inquisition? Who knows!
Ok.... but then what killed the Titan......
@@augustkkaiyo5042 Might be sleeping like the one in the Descent DLC
Meh, Dagna just got high with lyrium.
Ghil Dirthalen: "What secrets does the butt of a Titan hold?"
Varric Tethras: Nothing good EVER comes out of the Deep Roads, This won't be any different.
if the orbs of destruction are all across the Vir'durthara, it makes no sense that Solas was so pissed about his getting broken ?
Theory 1 : They were sort of orbs of destruction or Foci (as Solas calls them) but "cheaper" weaker version that is useless to Solas.
Theory 2 : They requre a key to use just like the eluvians, remember Corypheus had to UNLOCK Fen'Harell's orb.
Nothing good comes out of the Deep Roads, but the Titans aren't the Deep Roads. Valta, even before the Titan changes her, can immediately tell that the Titan is something else. Something different. Perhaps the Deep Roads are only as bad as they are because they're separate from the Titan.
yeah i know that Titans and Deep Roads are different things. However the comparison seemed fitting.
Theory 3: Each of the Evanuris had created one, as a vanity project, Flemeth says that Solas gave Corypheus 'his' orb. Does that mean that the discarded foci belong to the Evanuris that are trapped? Did any particularly powerful mage make one as proof that they were powerful? needing a certain amount of power to unlock them in the first place as a security measure explains why Solas needed to find someone powerful to unlock his for him. Does Flemeth have one squirreled away somewhere? (Does Abelas know where it is?)
More than likely they were just replicas. There are large orbs held in the talons of owl statues in the Vir-Dirthara as well, but these are obviously just decorations.
Odhran , Solas and the Evanuris are f*cking immortal mage kings, if they can make such orbs before so they can now that waste the entire point of Solas's orb being so priceless. i think that critical ingridient for making the orb is something from the titan's body, something rare.
Do you think that the missing memories, about the Titans, might be in Kal-Sharok? Kal-Sharok was the Capitol of the Dwarven Kingdom before it was moved to Orzimmar by Endrin Stonehammer.
Fun fact: Wynne tells Leliana that Dwarves are not from the Maker.
Yet Wynne believes in the Maker... What did she or her spirit know that we don't?
That is Chantry doctrine though. Its why Dwarves, Elves, Vashoth/Tal Vashoth are not allowed to join the Chantry in a formal role. It could be that Faith knew something but it could also be good old fashioned raceisim.
Theory: old eleven gods killed or subdued the titans and mined them for lyrium, using this to gain power. One or more of them lived in or above a titan in the golden city. When the veil was created the titan that they lived on/in was separated into the fade with them as they had lots of magic around it. All titans are somehow connected which is why lyrium still connects to the fade. When the magisters entered the golden city they found the heart of the titan and tried to harness its power. This caused the corruption and the blight. The golden city itself is a titan and it is the blighted titan that is the source of red lyrium. To the titans the blight is more akin to a blood sickness, so the titan is not evil itself but is infected with it. It reached out its song through dreams and was heard by andraste. Thus the maker is actually the titan.
I’m not perfectly knowledgeable on all the lore but I’d be interested to hear other people opinions on this idea!
Sooo
The fade is a collection of dreams and memories. The lyrium came from the fade, all of it. Including the titans.
The titans are the dwarves collective dreams, they are the dwarves' collective "spirit".
Like spirits forcefully pulled from the fade the titans may have been forcefully summoned into the physical world. This may have been the ancient dwarves collective decision, to separate themselves from the fade. But instead the used the earth, the mountains, as mediums to possess and give the titans form.
Maybe instead of the dwarves fearing falling into the sky because of the upturned sky inside that titan. Maybe it's because theyve always lived underground as we all originally thought and that space inside the titan is a physical representation of that fear just as in the fade. Just like nightmare in the fade.
This was honestly one of my favourite lores that I got to explore
I'm too cheap to buy the DLCs for Inquisition so I just looked them up on here to see what happens. I watched the last 17 minutes of Decent and the uploader had Varric in their party. And i'm confused as to why Varric wasn't affected but Bolta was? If all dwarves are "children of the stone" shouldn't he of gone through the samething she did?
I’d love to see what they actually looked like, titans are so massive that when it breathes it causes earthquakes, at least that’s what I think due to a bit of dialogue in the descent. But like Dragons are big but based on the fact that we played inside the titan they would probably be able to pick up dragons with two fingers like a piece of lego.
I've been playing DA origins and DA inquisition alot lately. The most common types of darkspawn are the 4. Hurlock, genlock, ogres, and emissaries. They all seem to be corrupt versions of the 4 playable races from DA inquisition. Hurlocks are the race of men, genlocks are dwarves, ogres are qunari, and emissaries are elves. The other types of darkspawn are corrupted animals and other creatures, like the shrieks seem to be werewolves.
Emissaries are darkspawn mages, they can be any of the races. (Although I have never seen an ogre mage.) I think you meant that the elven-origin darkspawn are Shrieks. Oh that is something that never occurred to me before, dwarves cannot do magic, but dwarven-origin darkspawn can be Darkspawn Emissaries. The blight makes dwarves able to use magic.
Well i say that emissaries are elves because they use magic, and when i think elf i think magic, also i thought about it and while there were the genlock emissaries, i meant more of the emissaries from the descent dlc. those ones looked a lot different and reminded me of ancient elves for some reason. Probably because of renn talking about how they're more intelligent than the other darkspawn and all that. i didnt even think about the blight making dwarves able to use magic though which would explain why they can use magic in DA origins. Thats pretty cool
Origins literally states that in one of the Codex entries. Well, almost.
They are not as much "corrupt forms", as an actual, DIFFERENT race, with different biology (for example, the notorious "darkspawn blood"). But the Broodmothers actually ARE corrupted females, abducted by the Darkspawn. Broodmothers converted from humans produce Hurlocks, Dwarves - Genlocks, Elves - Sharlocks (commonly known as "Shrieks", due to the sound they make) and Kossith (The primary race of the Qun) - Ogres.
Emmisaries use the type of magic, known as "Blight Magic", which is a separate, ehm, school of magic from your usual "Fade Magic". It does not even require a connection to the Fade, thus, might be used by anyone (who is blighted, that is - even Grey Wardens - see "Soldier's Peek" DLC for Origins)
That's right I had forgotten about Avernus' codex entries. He had discovered in his experimentation that demons fear the blight as written in his journal. So blight-magic is demon free, because the blight has some strange relationship with the Fade. Possibly because it is coming from the Abyss, as noted in Andruil's codex entries. I want to learn more about the blight, the fade and the abyss so bad!
I worked in retail during the Holidays for three years. It's the full moon that seems to send people in some unholy rage.
I had a thought during your video. What if red lyrium is the blood of dead titans. Perhaps the blight started when the elves killed the first titan to mine their corpse....
Azura Star mind blown if I remember correctly there were codex's form origins found in the deep roads that talk about dwarfs first encounter with darkspawns, and then in Inquisition Dorian talked about how the tervinter empire thinks that they didn't start the blights that the darkspawn was always there. so what if coryphaeus and the other magisters used the corpse of a Titan killed by the elves to enter the vail and weren't cast out as darkspawn because they were already darkspawn.
andrew j Kipp I'm thinking more like, what if the Black City is the current occupation of the Evanuris - as most probably is; and what if when Mythal killed the titan, it became corrupted. Then she forbid anyone to get near it, recognising the danger. The rest of the Evanuris, however, fought her for it, and using the dead corrupted titan, they killed her. In doing so, they became carriers of taint. Then Solas locked them down, and the magisters later visited, only to find this horrible tainted city, and became tainted as well. And the first darkspawn that the dwarves met were the Evanuris followers, who were at the titan carcass with their masters.
*tinfoil off*
Billie we do know that the elves mined the titans bodies, but later sealed them away out of fear. Maybe the lyrium was becoming corrupted
@@bib4eto656 Amazing theory now all true!
In regards to “the stone” I have my own theory but it really isn’t anything crazy. As a history major while taking classes one thing I’ve noticed is all the vast different cultural influence from real life people’s goes into the fictional races of DA. The dwarves being ancestor worshipers is very similar to a common Chinese practice, and one of the Chinese philosophies is Taoism also know as “the way” Which to put it REALLY SIMPLY is the idea of this supreme force that everyone goes back to when they die. Very much like the stone, there are more connections such as the value of tradition and such but I don’t intend on writing an essay here hahaha. That could just be the base for the stone and it could very well be more then that in the DA universe but it’s just something I’ve thought about.
Creating a believable culture could be very difficult if it isn't based on anything. If you notice, in science fiction, alien cultures always seem to have one religion (my best example is a season 1 episode of Babylon 5) and, in general, you don't know much about the depth and real culture--you know their government system, and their religion, but don';t really hear many folk stories or anything. I think this is because culture shapes and is shaped by itself and a culture's religion(s) shapes and is shaped by its culture.
long story short: it was probably intentionally based on those practices XD
When they keep to the ancient Greek version there is the mother of the titans Gaia/Terra(Earth) and her children Oceanos(Ocean), Cronos(Time), Koios(North), Kreios(South), Hyperion(Sun, Father, East), Iapetos(West){the last 4 are the pillars of the world holding up the sky}, Theia(Moon, Mother), Rhea(Mother of Gods and humans), Mnemosyne(Memories, River of the underworld), Themis(divine order, fairness, law, natural law, and custom) Tethys(Freshwater), Phoibe(Light, grandmother of Artemis(moon) and Apollo(sun), Titan of Prophecy).
So we see, when we theoretically give th Ancient Greek Titans/AG Titans, a place in game and belief Solas, perhaps the elven gods somehow connected with the titans?
The overarching theme is... kinda similar.
Those gold orbs seem reminiscent of the anchor that solas had. Which we find out was a factor in the construction of the veil and the separation of the worlds. Perhaps that cataclysm affected the titans as well.
The dwarven empire was founded by seven brothers/titans? Or maybe they were like valta like the high priest or strongest connection to the titans maybe this is how paragons started as paragons are supposed to be the will of the ancestors, maybe if the hive mind theory is right the titans could be viewed as the ancestors so valta would carry out their will
Is the sky explicitly inside the titan? Because if it’s not then it could be that Thedas doesn’t have a planet shape. Maybe it’s just a disk and the sky in the ground is literally the other side of the disk.
Corwin The flat Thedas theory huh? Flat-earthers really are everywhere...lmao (i don't know if you believe that or not i just couldn't help myself.)
More like Hollow Earth, but yeah, this is awesome.
Thedas has waves and spherical moons, it's definitely a planet. Pretty sure David Gaider once said something about the planet having no name too.
That's kind of awesome. A disked planet could still have spherical moons and wave. Its magic after all.
...or spherical world but Fade Effery/Titan Lyrium Shortcut & so they are observing the opposite side of Thedas?
I prefer to think of that inner world as being "Fade Effery" that moved a physical part of the world deep into the earth as a refuge from... idk, probably Alger'non.
Maybe the insides(?) of Titans are the physical entrances to the "crossroads" eluvians use & it was through Titan killing that eluvian tech was developed?
EDIT: otherwise there is the Old Saying: "it's turtles all the way down".
I have a theory, and I think it might work with all the mythos of the Dragon Age Universe.
The Titans are the primordial definition of existence. In our own mythos, the Primordials- Gaea, Uranus, Nyx, Thanatos, Aether, and Tartarus, literally created the universe, or at least, Earth. In Dragon Age, the Titans are shown to be connected to the world in such a way that their essence is tied to the very fabrics of reality. The Evanuris hunted them, killed them, made them afraid, but that is entirely because they understood the power that their opposites harnessed. While the Titans were the physical proof of magick, of eternity, of reality, the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones weren't bound to the confines of reality. Both needed each other, and were connected...but like the wolf chasing the doe, one became overzealous and consumed the other entirely.
Prior to that, the Titans begat, or at least took part in the shaping of the Dwarves. We know that anyone touched by the Titans gains mystical powers, and that Dwarves weren't always 'blind' to magic. It states, however indirectly, that the Dwarves gained an aversion over time. Perhaps at one time the Dwarves were mages like the Evanuris, but rather than traversing the Fade or learning to bend the realms of the metaphysical, they learned other magics. Enchantment, lyrium scribing, spiritual cohabitation, and even crafting such elaborate weaponry. We can at least speculate that they had some kind of golems before the Anvil was built, as the Primeval Thaig in DA2 houses them, and it existed long before Caridin or the Anvil. Not only that, but they were known to work side by side with the Imperium during the height of its power, as they helped to build Kirkwall and the Imperium used the Deep Roads. Two sects of powerful mages, both seeking divinity in different ways.
As the Evanuris hunted their makers, the Dwarves slowly lost their connection to the Titans and the Stone. It is likely that the Stone is a euphemism for Gaea, the Earth Mother, and her children. With each attack, their strength and attachment dwindled, until the Dwarves underwent a process similar to the Right of Tranquility- they could no longer work magic, but could work amidst its affects unhindered. This is likely how the Right was developed to begin with, by studying the Dwarves and their detachment to their powers, even if it was millennia after the fact.
Eventually the Dwarves would fall prey to the Darkspawn, who drove deep enough that they wiped out the outlying thaigs connected to the Titans, removing contact entirely. Only the Sha'Brytol remained to protect their creators. Beyond that, red lyrium would begin to spawn due to the Corruption of the Darkspawn, who were birthed by the Magisters who sundered the Fade with their foul magic. Their essences and demonic allies spread into the territory of the Titans, and infected their blood, creating two separate beings- the red lyrium, which lives and sings in hate, and the Profane, rock wraiths inhabited by demons and the Corruption.
This is five years too late, but at 11:59 a thought crossed my mind. A Titan vs a Reaper. I know, I know this would never happen, but what if it did?
In origins in the tavern of orzamma there is a crazy dwarf who talks about the titans
I am currently replaying origins so i will keep attantion to any mention of titans once i got to the Orzammar
I think Shapers are giant sized dwarves, enlarged by a Titan? Titans make their own bodies from the earth with veins of lyrium running through them, essentially like golems? Dwarves are like Titans' ant workers and the Titan is the queen ant? The Veil has cut off part of Titans making them sleep? They will wake again when Solas takes down the Veil? Maybe giants are giant dwarves cut off from their Titan making them brainless?
I think certain ancient elves killed the Titans and then mined the Titans for their hearts (Foci) and blood (Lyrium) thus becoming the Evanuris due to the power it gave them. Because of their power they started being worshipped as gods. My bet is the Evanuris killed a lot of Titans. Almost a genocide in fact.
Re: "Its workers are witless and soulless". I know there's little to connect Thedas with Middle-Earth, but I thought this was very interesting, as so much of modern fantasy goes back to Tolkien's take on it.
In Tolkien works, Eru Iluvatar(God) made the humans and elves and the Valar(gods) and everything around. But it was one of the Valar, who tried to copy Eru Iluvatar and create life who created the Dwarves, and he failed. The end result was weird and short, witless and soulless. They only did what their Maker wanted, and didn't have a life of their own.
This makes me wonder- were the Titans like Mahal, trying to create an imperfect form of life? Did some godly force step in to help complete the Titans' works and give them life? The Old Gods, the Evanuris, the Maker? It's not so much an in-universe theory, but one based on the history of fantasy lit. Just a thought.
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Since both the dragons and the titans exist beyond the viel, what if the titans form cysts of blighted tissue to protect itself like the dragons. It could be because they are products of both worlds ( "real" and fade) and the blight is foreign to both and their bodies reject it, like an infection. Another theory, what if the old gods where an attempt to combine the titans and dtagons?
Sooo that good one
My biggest question, If the blood of titans is Lyrium, does the use of lyrium count as blood magic?
Now that's a shower thought.
Here's a theory for you. These references all seem to point to dwarves having a sort of hive-mind. What if the Stone... Is basically their queen? Moreover, what is that "queen"... Is sandal? Awakened, weakened, cut off from his mind collective. Might explain how he's especially powerful.
I have an interesting theory what if the Titans Are Guardians the planets own defense against the fade before solas tricked the old gods and trapped them they maintained the balance keep magic in check so with magic a shadow of its former power the titans rested and only awaken during events on the level of the breach that would explain why mages need to use lyrium to preform higher levels of mage craft it acts as a seal to keep the fade out but is also allows just enough to come through to performs certain task that explains why coryphius only used corrupted red lyrium because he was trying to avoid waking a titan but thats just a theory
Basically the Titans are the most incomprehensible thing in the in the DA lore. How large do they get? It seems they are larger than Mass Effect Reapers. Where is the border between the usual rocks and the titan? How beings infinitely smaller like the elves defeated them? How the anatomy of the titan even work? All of this is very unclear, and even detracting from the rather detailed and facinating DA lore.
reapers aren't that big
What if the _'they made them forget'_ wasn't referring to the Titan's but the dwarves instead? The elves were responsible for breaking their connection to the Titans, whatever that truly was, and they were fearful of the power they possessed because they could shape and move the ground as they saw fit. It is no secret that Mythal and her ilk waged war against them because of this.
Mythal slew the first Titan and encountered lyrium. The pantheon followed suit and slew more in their quest for power by gaining more lyrium. Whether the blight came before or during the war they enslaved dwarves to continue mining lyrium, saying that they 'freed' them from the titan's hold. The blight was created or unleashed in reaction to this violation due to their greed over want of more lyrium, not realising that the titans served multiple functions as not just shapers of the land. Mythal realised too late the mistake they made and attempted to seal the corruption away, only by doing so creating a half-measure that would only buy them time.
Over time, due to many unforeseen circumstances, many of the dwarves 'forgot' where they came from and their connection to the titans due to the violation at the hands of the ancient elves. Some pockets of dwarves loyal to the titans remained and took measures to ensure they wouldn't be discovered or interrogated. It could be a massive collective consciousness that is able to communicate in another state of being that anyone but dwarves could ever really understand. Which is why Dagna has trouble trying to explain what she experienced. How do you explain sight to the blind?
There is also one thing I want to venture into the discussion; Memories. When something dies, it returns to the earth. It doesn't matter how or in what state it is in, it _always_ returns to the ground. Would it be far-fetched to say that the memories of that being is accumulated by the titans and shared through the collective consciousness or even added to it? Spirits have an understanding of them, if Cole is any indication.
My question is, how do titans produce lyrium exactly? Because if you take human anatomy, the heart (while surely being a vital organ lol) only pumps blood but doesn’t produce it. Blood cells are produced in the bone marrow. I know of course that titans aren’t humans or even mammals for that matter. Still, I’m thinking, is there maybe something like the bone marrow somewhere in a titan? Some weird organ which makes new lyrium? And how would that work? Would there be a magical equivalent of stem cells?? Could you use it to grow something else entirely???
One more thing I’m curious about is the titan mural in Trespasser. Many people speculate how it depicts the process of creating a foci. But I think it depicts the process of… splitting an atom? Magical fission, so to speak. I think ancient elves discovered a new source of energy within a titan and tried to utilize it somehow. Naturally, it didn’t end well.
I’m very comfused about what dreaming is like in thedas. do you travel to the fade when you dream? could you maybe do an episode about that and possibly the somniari?
Great video! I love all the theories, especially the one about Sandal. I haven't heard that one but I really like it!
What I find quite interesting about the Titans on top of everything you just said is something quite basic: their name. Why did Bioware decide on the name Titan? Just because of the size? Because we associate them with immense size? What if it’s something else? What if it’s a slight nod to Greek/Roman mythology? This is totally tinfoil hat type stuff, but in Greek mythology, titans were the 12 primeval deities and parents of the Gods. I find that especially interesting since we don’t really know where or what the “Forgotten Ones” might be. We know that Old Gods get awakened and an arch demon shows up, but that always happens under the earth. Why? Ok, enough of the random theory, this was, as always, a fantastic video. You always put them together so well!
makanivalur also in Norse mythology the giant ymir gave life to the dwarves through his blood so kind of similar connection to titans and dwarves of dragon age
Codex entry reads: a vivid image of green vines glowing and enveloping a sphere of fire.
It's the heart of Te fiti.
Is Korth a titan? A fight between him and a serpent destroyed mount Belenas, he carved caves for the Avvar to live in, he fathered dwarves, his heart was sealed away (which you yourself have connected to titans)... Mount Belenas was moved to the realm of the lady of the skies, which might be how they "made them forget". Basically, my headcanon is that there's a titan in the fade.
Regarding the Titans' connection to the dwarves:
Wouldn't this mean that they are the dwarves' connection to the fade? Raw lyrium permeates the fade and that means the blood of titans flows and forms a bridge between this world and the fade. If Valta actually feels the Titan's blood flowing through her, she could have its properties. Valta could literally be weaving between the fade and reality, and that could be why she struggles with time and able to have journal pages appear in skyhold.
You mentioned a Titan maybe being the Stone and it’s some kind of leader, but what if the Stone is just a term for Titans in general? What if Titans are just the collected thoughts of dwarves made physical? I think you said something about golems just becoming the thoughts of the dwarf who is encased in the armor so it could maybe support the idea of Titans just being hive minds of dead dwarves
First of all, great video. I'll check out more of your content.
Criticisms. Idk how much of the "lyrium connects to the titan hivemind" theory i like, because then wouldn't templars and mages act dwarfy? People mention they think red lyrium is lyrium that's "dead", but why is it stronger then regular lyrium? I like the idea that something happened to make the dwarves forget about the Stone/Titan, and not just"eh, it was a long time ago". But i dont want it to be as simple as some of the comments saying "Mythal/an Evanuris made them forget". Some comment also mention maybe Mythal killed a Titan, I dont want her to be that strong, you know, think about how strong a Titan with its...billions of gallons of lyrium blood it has, it would have to be stronger than all the mages on Thedas combined. I think i like the idea of maybe the Evanuris mining the Titan after it died, but then, how the hell would Solas be stronger than them? If we're to take that mural literally, why is a human there on the left?
On a larger note, I want aspects of all the theologies, the Titans, Maker, Elves, Tevinter God dragons, to be true and maybe the elven Forgotten Ones could be TDG, or something else. One of the things that made DAO good, was that there was a bit of mystery with the religions, and each race had something. Dwarves had lyrium, elves had eluvians, humans, well they were given kind of a pass, but later had the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Which, when you first played DAO, you didnt really know that the temple had lyrium in it.
I cant be the only one to notice this, but the DA universe lore is like a mix of Witcher, Elder Scrolls and World of Warcraft. Its like Witcher because elves have ways to travel across worlds, were immensely powerful(granted this could be said about most rpgs but i think its more focal/unique in terms of these two universes), there was a rebellion of sorts, even the idea that humans interacting with elves caused them mortality. Its like WoW because of the Titans. They're basically the same thing, both have powerful blood, lyrium vs. Azerite, create(probably) the dwarves, are kind of mechanical, and are inside the world(s). Its like Elder Scrolls because dragons are primordial, i guess most mythologies and fantasies they are, have ties to gods, there's mystery to what's really true and how one culture thinks what a god is but its something different to another one. Plus, Old Gods tied to darkspawn? Sounds like the curse of flesh to me that Yogg-Saron gave.
Perhaps the Red Lyrium Statue is a sculpted and tainted Focus. The Lyrium seen growing underneath it could be considered vine-like.
So if the Titan was asleep, does that mean that maybe it was in the Fade for some reason? Maybe holding something back or doing something important there? Is that maybe why Dwarves cannot go to the Fade for some reason and the theories on that involving Lyrium are incorrect or incomplete? And if it's a collection of Dwarven memories, is a Titan maybe some kind of pre-cursor to Golems? A much more complicated Golem that wasn't just one Dwarf inside but many from some primal time in the Dwarves history? And love the thought of the 'sky' from inside the Titan is what gave Dwarves a fear of the sky on the surface and makes them seem less silly and is a fear rooted in the real history of their people. Great video!
What if Corypheus literally slew a titan when he created the breach, as he was using an orb as Mythal did. Thus the source of the red lyrium at the temple of sacred ashes is the slain titan. This might also explain why the breach cause the other titan to stir. It on some empathic level was reacting to the death of its kin?
I'll come back to this channel when all of dragon age lore is out there.
What the Sha-Brytol are to a healthy titan darkspawn are to a blighted one. Both titan and old gods sing to their servants, both have a means of telepathy. Also darkspawn are akin to a tranquility that has been awoken.
I am going out on a limb and going to say the Golden City isn't not Arlathan but the heart/open space of the blighted titan.
I hadn’t considered that Sandal could have been a member of the Sha-brytal or likeminded guardian for a titan. That makes a lot of sense. Mind blown!
it would not be too far stretched to assume most solid land is/was titan as lyrium veins are the "veins" of a titan which are found in a lot of places.
Also haven't all broodmothers been dwarven? That might also be a good hint that the blight is related to titans and their children.
It is revealed in DAO that the dwarves had long encountered darkspawn before humans where conscious of them and that they only bore dwarven form initially. It seems obviously to me that genlocks are impure/infected Sha-Brytal from the death of their titan. I have a feeling though that something changed that when the magisters entered the black city they changed the nature of this infection. That they are the ones who incorporated the old ones into it in some misguided veneration.
It's interesting how a sleeping Titan "still sings a song", I immediately thought of the sleeping Old Gods who are... also attracting darkspawn by a song.
Codex entries mention that the Sylvan encountered in Origins are trees possessed by Fade spirits, who then warp the wood over generations to be able to move freely and speak. The Rock Wraiths in DA2 are what I assume to be the stone equivalent to the Sylvan, which is enforced by the Rock Wraith that attempts to make a deal with Hawke to get them out of the Deep Roads, identified by both Anders and Merrill as being a demon.
I like the theory about Sandal having the soul of an old god better than he beign fromthe deep
It wouldn't make any sense for him having soul of old god. Titan theory is more sound.
I have two theories about sandals 1 is that he is King garotte mentioned in the Descent DLC becoming connected to the Titan then living hundreds of years past is natural limit which makes him mentally slower then he should be the other three is he has the soul of one of the tavinter magisters like corpheus and the architect from Awakening there is a codex that said dwarfs found 3 tall speaking darkspawn in the Deep roads one fled one killed and ate the other since both corypheus and the architect has no knowledge on the others theres 3 are not them and we saw corypheus revive once he is killed in the Forest Temple perhaps was a blighted baby dwarf and the dead Magister so went into him and he became like Connor with the old God's soul in him
Rock wrath’s can be something that act as white blood cells, lyrium working as red blood cells to the titan
In Dragonage 2 the Profane claims they "feasted on the gods", maybe lyrium? Eating the blood of their gods?
so if lyrium is the blood of titans does that mean that there is a titan darkspawn/ghoul, because after that one mission in dragon age inquisition Bianca says that red lyrium has the blight, so if lyrium is the blood of titans then red lyrium would be the blood of a titan darkspawn/ghoul
Hope your Thanksgiving was a good one!
I love the idea of titan purity mirroring real human blood inside vs outside the body. Blue before oxidation, but red afterwards. Maybe titans view beings that would bleed red as impure?
Also, I know that magic fueled with blood has some different rules than being fueled by lyrium. Since going inside the titan though, it framed absolutely all magic as a sort of "blood magic" to me. Lyrium being just blood from a giant creature instead of a person. Do you think this will impact the Chantry and Circles in the next game? If all magic is kind of like blood magic, I can see there being huge pushback against the old ways and church laws. Possible magical anarchy.
bodies of the earth? golems? perhaps the practice of creating golems offended the titans
I think titans are spirits. They both birthed the dwarves somehow and are in turn birthed by them. This is the connection. The spirits that took the earth as flesh are linked to their creation. Spirits are, we know, basically what happens when an idea takes on a life of its own. It can be simple, performing a specific task, or complex and make its own decisions. But it is a thought entity. This is why I think dwarves make new titans. And why the titans see the dwarves as their children. A bit chicken or the egg but in general the bond between them makes them one entity. They may be seperate from each other in body but in spirit they are entwined. Each renewing and enriching the other.
A bit late to the party but, I believe Sandal is an ancient dwarf who once had magic, but when the Veil was created his connection was severed, hence why he is simple in that respect he is much like the tranquil, as we have seen in DA2 you can be made(for lack of a better term un-tranquil) temporarily but maybe he found a sleeping titan and he was reconnected to the fade however he is not fully reconnected
Just played through the decent DLC & quickly jumped here for answers!
Edit: I really want to know why Remm's grave was dug up after the end of Decent.
Maybe Valta dug him up and plans to use the titan’s secrets to try and revive Remm
Some how you made a good flick from all the scraps of the titans so thank you once again.
idk if any one has ever put this forward but is it possible that because lyrium kind of...enforces reality, and elven immortality went away because the veil went down, that the process was already beginning when mythal began using lyrium? idk
Dwarves were magic and could weild magic but they were also more like automatons "apart of it" as Dagna says to such a degree they had no will and were controlled by the will of Lyrium and the Titans when the Titans were struck down Dwarves gained control of their senses but lost their ability to use magic. This is why they are immune to Lyrium's negative effect but also why they are no longer "Tall" sort of like the Leviathans from Mass effect 3 or think of them like a mech suit and the Titans their Pilots.They had no true minds of their own till a Titan sort of drove them so all acient acient Dwarven history is actually the history of what the Titans experienced so those memories are memories of Dwarven Bodies but Titan minds inside of them.
The craziest mystery aside from Valta’s disappearance after the scream is what the hell is up with Leliana? Normal Leliana is mysteriously resistant to the Blight, and if you killed her in DA:O and don’t make her divine, she disappears with a note saying that she was sung into being by Lyrium. She’s not a dwarf, so what makes this random human so special?
My theory is that Solas will attempt to awaken the titans to enact his plan to destroy the world, smashing through the veil in the process and then unlocking his full magical abilities with a now free fade to remake the world.
Fairly easy overarching story there. You can have the Anderfels, Dornak jungle, Tevinter, Seheron and Par Vollen as locations to explore. Think it will be a good story that.
So the forgotten ones are the titans? The elves at war with these titans and they were seen as gods for winning a war? Because everyone have forgotten them
Do you think that, if the Titan in the dlc awakens, then we'll see dwarves with magic or was that a Valta-specific event?
Also, Happy Thanksgiving from Canada! Your videos have really made me think about the games, even though I've only played DAI and I really admire how much research and critical analysis goes into them.
lyrim has a side effect of memory loss, for both mage and templarm, maybe there are some connections, those "make them forget" things
Now that is a good Dwarven reason
Sandal seems tranquil. Maybe he is a sha braytol of sorts. or touched by a titan and then found by tug.
Watching this on Halloween morning 2024, to brush up on my lore, while i watch Steam like a hawk for Veilguard release. LOL. THANK YOU for making these videos!!
firstly fantastic video and channel. Secondly here is my theory
I think the taint is the true enemy, it aims to kill all the ancestor gods of the various races
It seems to me that almost every race has some sort of god.
The Elves have the Evurianians
The Dwarves have the Titans
The Humans may have the Old Gods?
The Qunari seem to have some sort of blood connection to Dragons?
The taint can infect titan blood (lyrium), it can infect an Old God (Archedemon), and it can infect a dragon (Cophy's pet). We haven't seen it infect a Evurian yet, so maybe we will in the future, or maybe they are the ones who created it in the first place
Also re my qunari theory - Given the comments made by Old God Kerien to a Qunari inquisitor, Qunari blood is related to dragons, and as Iron bull said a lot of their traits perhaps originate from Dragons, but most interestingly he said that he can here dragon blood singing to him. Now this theory is weak given Cophy calls Qunari race a mistake, and a lot of other people think they could be Elf reavers , maybe some Tevinter experiment with elf slaves and dragon blood? but who knows, maybe they are a race of dragon men
We have seen an Evanuris, Solas. But, also, they are only gods to the Dalish, I believe in the time before they were locked in the Fade by Solas, they were simply extremely powerful elves. (note: all elves were mages before the Veil was created)
I think only Tevinter venerated the Old Gods, and then that was before the blights; now it's the Maker (and Andraste if you aren't from Tevinter)
Omg! When Sandal says everything will be as it was, is he talking about the Titans rising again? Omg
Yeah, I'm resurrecting this as I wanna go back and play things again. I never did get to play DA:I past level 7 cuz I broke my game. BAD. I broke all my DA games somehow. Now, some years later, I wanna try again and I have a super soft spot for DA games, so this channel has been cool to rekindle the old memory and get juices flowing again. So these Titans... they ARE the memories, right? Dwarves make so much of memories and keeping history and going back to the Stone... becoming part of the collective memory? Never being forgotten, no experience wasted, the ultimate in eternal life (Heaven for a dwarf)... except the one that was killed. So many memories lost, so much of the Deep Roads forgotten. because the Titan that held those memories was slain. Maybe? It would explain thinking all the thoughts, walking tall- Dagna, the cutie, connected through the Lyrium which is the literal blood of the Titans. huh. Elves have the Fade (or came from it) and Dwarves have the Stone (or came from it?) and it's sort of the same thing, respectively. Leaving Templars as vampires. And in their armor, they sparkle. Oh, bad territory, here.
Perhaps Sandal still is the Maker and people just have to accept the Maker's honest truth...
Stop it the meme is already dead.
@@darthportus and people wonder why the Chantry hates non believers, heretics and blasphemers