Repairing ALL the Boards in This Bally Lost World Pinball Machine!
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Sir, have you looked into conformal coatings for future projects to cover any exposed copper?
any change for a co uk link so us europeans can use it aswell? i do not know if it is a thing...
Gday
have a look at this a ozzy made board and look at the 3rd pic lol
www.ebay.com.au/itm/LED-Score-display-for-Bally-and-Stern-Pinball-6-Digit-Set-of-5/143294115150?hash=item215cfead4e:g:74UAAOSwBbtfB~CJ&frcectupt=true
Cheers
Have a question if you were anyone knows this please comment back thanks ahead of time.
The question is on that type of display that's used on those machines what type of display is it actually I don't know and I'm not sure if it's vacuum fluorescent it looks more like some sort of neon display which do exist if I'm not mistaken they're called a kanaplex display.
I had an old caulk one time that use those.
I'm pretty sure it's not numitron but it reminds me of the look of a numitron almost.
What because cool is if somebody came out with a Nixie driver and board that could drive Nixie tubes for a retro hack.
That would be enough voltage to be able to do this but of course would need to have a voltage reduction internally.
Also neutrons would be cool too but would need possibly additional power supply for 5 volts.
To me it those displays that are on there at least two tests when you have did not look like vacuum fluorescent is I had stated it just doesn't look right.
Any info our thoughts would be appreciated.
And yes LED would be a good upgrade because reliability for one thing.
I still remember like the old skee ball machines and all that were entirely electromechanical mostly and having the incandescent bulbs for the score.
I've dismantled and selfish mold scoreboards and also incandescent moving message signs.
The sound of the chimes and the ball rolling around a wooden table is a major part of my life
I just wanted to say what a great job you do with these videos. I live in Leicester in the UK (home of King Richard III) I used to have pinball table myself (Williams Taxi) but I had to let it go when I moved to a smaller house. Your videos keep me in touch and remind me of all the little things that went wrong and that I had to fix over the years. Your self taught approach and explanation is perfect. Don't change a thing, you make me feel like I could have a go.. Good Job 👍
Thank you for the kind words Nigel, those Taxi machines were very fun! The next time I hear about King Richard III I'll think about you :)
Nigel - another UK fan of Ron's repairs here. I wish I had a big enough house to have a real pinball table in...but I'm in a similar situation. However, if you don't mind a digital approach for an old school pinball fix then you could do worse than checkout Zaccaria pinball on Steam. I have it on XBOX. I know it'll never be the same as a physical table experience, but I reckon the physics are good.
@@TachyonDriver Thanks for the info. I actually play Williams pinball classics on the Xbox 360. It actually has A Taxi table on it which plays very similar to my old table. I'll look into the Zachariah thing. Thanks.
You are a wizard raising these dead pinball machines from the dead. A Flippermancer! :)
Hahaha I like that one, Flippermancer :)
Love watching your videos as I like saving the old games and giving them a second life. I'm from Brisbane Australia and have a Firepower and a Sinbad. All the best,
Hi Tyson! Somebody else from Brisbane was on here a couple days ago, very cool.... Firepower and Sinbad, both great games, love it!
I was so confused about the dramatic slo-mo...until much later! Ha. Well played. Also, I had no idea those Bally sound boards had an envelope adjustment. Crazy.
If I explain it it isn't as cool :) Thank you for watching Clark!
I really enjoy seeing you save these great old pinball machines from the landfill. I own a 1980 Williams Black Knight and really enjoy playing it. I put many a quarter in one back when they were new. I would like to add more to my collection soon.
Black Knight is a special machine. Very cool, we've always liked all Steve Ritchie's stuff.
You're a wizard! A pinball wizard!
hahaha I'm gonna start dressing like Elton John.
Hey joe ...this is Tim from Lancaster Pa ..thanks for the new video on this pin....i just purchased one of these and am going through the power supply and checking test points. As always.. its a great and fun experience watching your videos and working on my own machines. Take care cant wait for more of your videos!
Hey Tim! Glad you enjoyed it... it's cool hearing other people are getting into working on them, we're trying to get more people involved in saving these things from the landfill! See you on the next video....
Back in a previous life when I used to build circuit boards we highly valued the gold-plated Augat sockets with the round pinholes. Those tin single-swipe sockets, no matter who made then, definitely suck big time.
Even though this machine started off in worse shape than the Stingray, it seems like it's been easier to bring back to life. You're almost making me want to go out and buy a pinball machine for home. Almost...
We're getting there... I'm working on maybe even a bigger mess right now on another game I'm filming, it'll be up soon too... they're pretty fun to work on!
Classic repair tech mentality... I like it. There's too many homebrew electrical engineers who try and re-invent everything. When doing repair jobs, it's best to consider the way it was designed to work, and solve each of the issues one at a time.
Thank you Koby, we appreciate you watching!
Koby I like the way you're thinking too about not reinventing everything, it's hard to put that into words but yeah I see the same thing. People want to do everything better when all of this stuff is a proven design and it's all built with inexpensive readily available parts (mostly). Even the damn battery on the board, yeah they caused lots of damage, yes I wish they weren't on there, but the reason they caused the damage is because they were left on there for 40 years. If I took my t.v. remote control and put batteries in it, then left it in my storage building for 40 years, they'd probably leak too, the problem isn't the battery, it's that somebody left it installed for 40 years, LOL
I see too many people saying things like "Durr the original design is shit" when in reality we're 40 years in and the stuff is still useable.
@@LyonsArcade I fix guitar amps.... And theres a business of restoring modified amps to stock. I try to resist the temptation to think I know so much more than the design team.
It's very exciting to see this old bally pinball come back to life :D
We think so too!
Respect for the restoration! I enjoy all your vids. 👍👍
Watching from South West England. 👍 👍
You have done a great job ,I’m amazed how far you have bought it back to life ,you are a miracle worker 👍👍
Thanks Richie, we appreciate you hanging out with us!
I LOVE seeing these "dead" ones slowly come back to life. It's all about you Dr. Frankenstein. You know me, Brant from In My Head TH-cam channel, less that 2 hours from you near Asheville NC. I am going to cell the shop soon and see what would be a good weekend to come down and visit and look for some retro gaming!
Coming along well sure is going to make someone happy to own it.
One more saved from the grave great work as always.
Thanks Nick, we appreciate it!
Awesome. It always makes me happy to see these brought back from the dead.
Thanks Marty, we appreciate it!
incredible the level of restoration
Thanks Ricardo, we appreciate you watching!
It was good to see this up and running. It is a pity you can't get the original displays, but I am sure this will look great with LED's.
Looking forward to tomorrow's video.
Yeah I wish they still made them affordably, but it's one of those things where the only real reason NOT to use LED's is they look just slightly different so it doesn't really warrant continuing to make the old ones when they only have this one purpose....
@@LyonsArcade I get that totally. I have a different project to do today. I found my old Wii and the Gottlieb Classic Pinball game disk. Now to get that old thing up and running again. If I remember this disk was based around the System 3 games.
Sockets are dual wipe, but on dual wipe DIP sockets they're usually a springy loop pressing against a flat piece of metal. Those just look like two straight pieces of metal a distance apart.
Probably some kind of patent issue back in 1976 or something!
Again thanks for the video. Big hello from Brisbane Australia.
Hello Brisbane! We appreciate you watching Simon, see you on the next video!
Great job! Another machine brought back to life! I'm glad I subscribed! Keep the past alive!
Thanks grfeld84 as usual we appreciate you watching!
That paint job turned out excellent!
Thanks Allen, we appreciate it!
The ball going from here to there is one of the greatest things ever, not just in pinball!!
Ain't that the truth!
Wow looks fantastic can’t wait to see it finished great job
Thanks man, we'll have another video tomorrow!
Cool can’t wait to see
Liking this series & the daily episodes are cool. Thanks!
Thanks Jason, we appreciate you hanging out with us!
Fantastic step by step ,love it
Thanks man.
You make it look easy. I have 5 project machines right now and I get the job done at 1/10th your speed.
The secret is to completely ignore 4 of them, don't even look at them, and work on 1 until it's finished. Then start on the second one....
Awesome playfield graphics , you did a great job on this wreckage
Thank you Con Fuzz!
Why the heck I enjoy watching these I don't know...
But enjoy them I do!
you don't need a good reason :)
Thanks for sharing the journey on this one. Took me back to childhood playing this game and its BIG SISTER Paragon at the local bowling alley in the late’70’s. BTW, live in Nova Scotia, Canada.
I've never had a Paragon but I want one. Hey head over to Oak Island for me sometime and tell them guys they're looking on the wrong side of the Island!!!
Oooooo, Paragon! Wow, I put a TON of quarters in the Paragon at Nick’s, the cool bar in Clemson. It eventually gave up and was replaced with a Bride Of Pin-Bot, which we all loved, too.
Watching from Melbourne and thoroughly enjoying the series of videos. Would love to have my own pinball machine one day but being pandemically unemployed and living in Australia, there is a very limited number of them and they are well expensive.
I've heard they're very expensive over there for sure! Thank you for watching in Melbourne, I hope you get back to work soon, hang in there!
@@LyonsArcade Thanks :-)
Nice. I love bringing these back to life. It is so satisfying. I could stare at these for hours, never got sick of this hobby. Keep going.
Thanks Tonero, I appreciate you hanging out and watching with us!
Nice to see it working again! Gonna rip the sound test and use as a ringtone!
Very cool :)
Awesome job.
Thought stingray was a lost cause.
You saved it.
Shirley Lost world was a lost cause.
It lives again.
Amazing.
And awesome job on painting the play field
Really can't tell what was touched up..
But hopefully you didn't catch gonorrhea from it.
Unless you remembered to use protection.
Rubber gloves when painting always a must.
wait.... wait I was supposed to put the rubbers on my HANDS?????
Fantastic job it's getting there, can't wait to see the finished game.waveing a hand from Tulsa,love the videos.
Coming soon!
OMG! I can't wait to see this one complete. Question. Have you had viewers from out of state come to the store to say hi yet? If so, who was the farthest traveled to see you guys? Thanks!
We've had a few, we also sell arcade games so a few weeks ago we had a couple guys from Poland in to buy an Arcade Game they saw online, that was pretty cool.
Las Vegas, Home of the Pinball Hall of Fame
He's my hero!
You do a amazing job!! Love your videos!! Greetings from South Australia!! Keep up your amazing work!! Thanks for your videos!
Thank you Fred, we appreciate you watching, see you on the next one!!!
Nothing better than resurrecting old electronics, I'd love to do what you do for a living, but there doesn't seem to be too much of that stuff around here in Queenstown, New Zealand.
Maybe not pinball machines, but look around you can find something similar :)
Omg! Shes a beauty! Nice work
Thanks thegreene3, we appreciate it!
Fantastic Job !
Thanks Everaldo!
Hello from Northern Virginia! This is the 4th Lost World video I watched from you--love it! very inspirational!!
Its alive!!! Lol
I used to keep a 9volt on me to check the speakers. Touch it to the 2 terms to see if cone pops out (polarity correct) or reversing the battery will make the cone pull in.
Great vids man
Great job! I'm from south of Sweden.
Hi Matthias, thanks for watching in Sweden!
Great repair, bud! 😎😎
Thanks Cliff, we thought it turned out pretty good!
What a charming machine. Love the Westminster chimes
Yeah it's pretty cool, right? I like it!
Love this set of videos. So glad to see the raising from the dead of that poor box.
Well done, never had you love for theses games been more clearly shown.
Great job as always.
Thank you Domino81!
@@LyonsArcade You're welcome.
Sound is just fine to me 😎
I love it!
I've been waiting all week for the scary music. All three days. I really like the series of videos when you do it like this. Thanks for making the videos.
Glad you like it Pez, some of the games it makes it easier to do several slightly shorter videos....
I used to use nail polish on speaker holes, but that hole is way, way too big!
No wonder you have impotence problems :)
Thanks, Joe...
Sometimes rats get to 'em too :)
New to channel a love it from Owensboro Kentucky Can't wait to one day to come out and buy a few games from you
Truly amazing ❤️
Great job
Thanks ocsrc!
First game I played when we moved back to the states. I'd love to have one to add to my collection
It really is a great title!
Yes it is...those sounds are burned in my brain.
I was what..about 13 or so...my dad used to get so upset at me for "wasting" my money. lol
looking allot better
It's getting there!
Hey, Ron
Would it be beneficial after you do a board repair like that to clear coat the board/traces to prevent/slow down future corrosion? I mean it probably makes a problem for testing after the fact down the road, but all I know is that once corrosion starts, you can't stop it easily
Awesome work. All the desoldering you do you ought to have a desoldering station. I got a cheap vacuum desoldering gun and it’s a God send when doing 150 pads. Man that was trashed. If I could fix it , I be months. Fort Myers. Trying not to croak.
I bought one awhile back and never could get it to work right, it kept clogging up. I could use it to clear two holes or so and then it would be clogged, I lifted a ton of eyelets with it too, never could get the hang of it.
GOOD STUFF JOE
Thanks CS we appreciate it!
I've heard that test pattern song before.
Not from the pinball machine but from a rock song.
Clock strikes ten from CHEEP TRICK LIVE FROM BUDOKAN.
Cheap Trick is pretty awesome
Love it. Great video
Thanks Greg, we appreciate you hanging out and watching it!
You may change an 4 Ohm speaker with an 8 Ohm speaker. Do not change an 8 ohm speaker with an 4 Ohm. If you do so the amplifyer can run to hot. Best regards from Stig Österberg in Dalsbruk, South Finland.
Thank you Stig, we appreciate you watching!
I like the sustain turned all the way up
Nice video great work as always
I have a weird question but rather then leaving exposed copper traces would a solder mask work better to make the board last longer or even covering the traces in solder?
Hello From Roswell New Mexico..
Hi Timothy!
Me: works on MPU for weeks
Joe: fixed all the boards in a day
I turn on some rock and roll and we just go crazy :)
many small issues, but with big success ;)
Sometimes when you bring 'em back they need a LOT of help so we're knocking out the problems one by one...
That's the decay / release on the soundboard you adjust
Yes I think that's what they call it, thank you!
I can't wait for the next installment.
You won't have to wait long telletran :)
Hey,from Beauceville,Quebec
Hi Christian! I just looked up Beauceville, it looks beautiful up there, just over the border too! I want to go up to Nova Scotia once of these days to Oak Island I think I could get to the bottom of it. :) See you on the next video!
Amazing! You are the MAN!
Thanks again man!
Sound sort of reminds me of the alien tune on the movie Close Encounters. Loving this machine more and more.
Somebody else mentioned the same thing!
Yo! Im from Latvia. Video Game Museum Riga. Keep up good work bro!
Thank you Harijs from watching from Latvia! I just looked up the museum wow what a great place!
@@LyonsArcade Thank you very much for your kind words!
How long did it take you to find the cap mistake on the MPU board? Good job so far and thanks for sharing.
Only about 30 minutes, I had heard before that sometimes that little 555 timer chip will do things like that down on the bottom right, and I thought that cap was connected to that chip, it's not it's just next to it but I still was able to figure it out by looking in that area of the board. Kind of got lucky!
Monterey, California
Thanks for watching James, I used to live in Fresno when I was a kid, right in the middle of the state...
Was the 5x light working correctly?
I can't remember the specifics but it eventually was working because on the gameplay video I tilt a 5X game!
It's like I seen a Dolly Parton pinball machine turned into a HEAVY METAL the movie pinball machine on the internet.
And I always wondered how they did that.
Or dose a FLASH circuit boards only works in the FLASH pinball machine.
And can't switch them out.
Just curious.
Stuff like those machines you see switched they've just 'rethemed' it... you can use the same exact code and just change the artwork.
IF YOU CHANGE A BATTETY HOLD WOULD IT BE BETTER TO MOVE OFF THE BOARD FROM HAMPSHIRE ENGLAND
Or, you could replace the battery with a battery that doesn't leak, couldn't you?
So that's why it wasn't making any sound. In the words of Adam Savage (of Mythbusters): "Well, _there's_ your problem!" I've never seen a speaker cone torn up like that, but it shouldn't surprise me; it probably hasn't been touched since the machine was built. Those paper cones can dry rot. Not only was the cone torn, but I bet the surround was made of foam, which can also dry rot.
These machines have a rough life... if goes like this... they come out, and get the hell played out of them for a couple years, then they break. The operator fixes them out on location, but he doesn't have the right parts, and it all starts going down hill... they get played until they start making less money, so the operator stops really testing or fixing it and the playfield without wax starts to chip up... things break... eventually when the thing is absolutely worn out, they throw it in a storage building for 30 years until I find it, after the rats did!
@@LyonsArcade That's true, but it's not like a replacement _speaker_ is hard to source. In any case, it's a good thing there are enthusiasts like you who are willing to put in the effort to restore these pieces of history. If I had the time and money, I might start doing it too. I was born in 1970, so I dropped *many* dimes (and later, quarters) into classic arcade and pinball machines. I need a hobby that's a little more mentally challenging than playing computer games.
Battery holder so if battery leaks again the boards stay good just incase you have to buy new boards which may sink the game to land fill or part's out to fix other machine's
West Virginia, you say? Martinsburg here
Whew, you're WAY up there! I was born in Kanawa City down by Charleston. Both my brothers too, we lived there until about 1989.
Because I have heard some pinball machines have a JAMMA thing.
And you can swap out circuit boards and playfield and turn it into a completely different game.
Sorta like Williams pinball 2000 where you can turn STAR WARS EPISODE 1 to ATTACK FROM MARS.
but much earlier late 80'S early 90s.
Have no idea if it true.
So I was wondering.
Yeah I'm from Germany and will probably never visit you. But I like your vids.
Thank you for watching cpt nordbart, we appreciate you hanging out and watching from Germany!
The sound test reminds me of close encounters with a third kind
Somebody else mentioned that exact same thing!
Was that green insert light bulb out or just not pushed up into the insert enough?
I did not see the insert light up. o.o
All will be revealed.. in the next video :)
@@LyonsArcade Awesome! :) And I have a pretty cool project that has to do with pinball coming up soon. :)
Very cool man :)
Here's a question.
If I swapped circuit boards from let's say FLASH to this game.
Would this game play like FLASH?
And put these circuit boards to FLASH pinball machine.
Would that game start playing like LOST WORLD?
Or they can't work that way.
And what would happen if it could.
I was kind of pondering it.
You definitely couldn't do those two becuase one was Williams and one was Bally they wouldn't work, but if you swapped in a Bally board from another game, yes it likely WOULD work, but it would be all screwed up, the wrong lights would light up, the wrong scores would score, some of the switches might not work... the outhole, pop bumpers, kickers would probably all work though.
I would have replaced ALL electro caps...especially if they are 40+ years old!!
I think you should DEFINITELY do that
@@LyonsArcade aint much good me doing it ;-)...
Do you repair Gorf boards?
Unfortunately we don't do repairs on them, sorry. They're pretty complex! You can get them repaired though if you sign up for the message boards on www.KLOV.com , there are tons of people on there who do board work, sell parts, etc.
Hwycowboy3 shout out from Hebron Ohio love dyi videos
Thanks Michael we appreciate you watching!
I’m out hear in California
joemode when I was 2 I moved to Fresno from West Virginia, lived there till I was about 8, still have fond memories. Then we moved back east!
Cool West Virginia I’ve never Ben there must be beautiful country out there
"Maybe the speaker has issues...."..... i think the old speaker has more then issues alone :P
I'ts a little bit worn out
You do a great job fixing these boards, all the little mod's, cutting this and connecting that..it's not easy... so to shut the capacitor arseholes up, you should say the values like electronics engineers do (me)... not that it makes any difference because your abilities speak for themselves but a 0.1 microfarad is a " point one mike" or a 10,000 you F is a " ten thousand mike "..not sure if this makes any sense (i've had a couple of beers) but I do hate " capacitor arseholes" ...you say what you want to say, but I had to get that off my chest ! love the component level stuff... marvelous watching this game come back to life, it's so copacetic ...cheers Ron !
29:50 - I think you mean 'impedance' not 'impudence' - two very different meaning words. :o)
If you could tell what I meant why are we discussing this
@@LyonsArcade errrr.... because disseminating the mispronunciation of a technical word has the potential to further degrade our societies ability to communicate ideas and concepts in an effective manor to the point where we end up living in an idiocracy (if we aren't there already)?
The sound of playing is do different from the new ones.
The electro mechanical ones, from the 50s, that had the rolling counters instead of digital or vacuum florescent displays, they sound different than these
Not many of those old electromechanical ones still in existence
Every once in a while I see a vacuum florescent display that is dim or burnt out from the 80s
Those operate in the 240 volt range
They are florescent bulbs, tiny miniature ones, but they needed high voltage to light those bulbs
I don't know what they must have thought about when they made them, because they knew they would burn out
The bulbs that were just bulbs that they would solder on the board, those they knew would only last 4 or 5 years at most
I guess they figured the device would be thrown out by the time the bulbs burnt out.
Yeah I believe they thought all these pinball machines would last about 2 years. They had to have known by that time though that operators were keeping them much longer, but they were more interested in selling them new ones than worrying about how their old ones would last, lol. If you think about it, all of this stuff was originally based on the Jukebox model. Jukeboxes were the first real electrical coin operated device... and they had an issue where operators would keep their old Jukeboxes instead of buying the new model. They tried trade in plans and all kinds of things. Then along came the electric Pinball machines, running on batteries at first for the light bulbs. Same thing, they wanted you to buy the brand new one and didn't want you to keep the old ones if they could help it.
Why do they call it "strapping" the ROM chip when adding those Strapping Jumper wires to convert a ROM chip part number to another ROM chip part number? I don't understand why they are calling it strapping. You mentioned that bad display is due to apply an over voltage to the display, why would or how was an over voltage being applied to the display?
When the high voltage section on the solenoid driver board fails instead of power going to zero it goes high(forget how much). Causes the displays to burn. Bad design by Bally. Operators would not notice and caused the displays to go bad. Happened all the time. I had a box full of bad bally(and Stern) displays. Good ones are expensive.
@@craigmanning2439 So when the High Voltage section on the solenoid driver board for the Display boards Ground zero voltage will go to another voltage? That is weird that the ground zero voltage will raise up to another voltage when the display voltage goes bad
@@waynegram8907 Not an EE so I don't know the details. I think its a resistor that fails and causes the voltage to go high. Don't quote me on that. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain. Just my limited understanding. I have repaired/restored so many early Bally's and I would say that 50-60% of the machines I have seen have burnt displays as seen in this video.
@@craigmanning2439 The early ballys display issue like this was mostly what parts you found were the problem causing this issue? The Solenoid driver board has a Filter cap just for the display which is a very high voltage of 180vdc going to the displays. Have you found the filter cap was bad that is causing this issue or resistors that is causing this over voltage display issue? based from your experience repairing early ballys pinball machines with over voltage display issues
I think like Craig mentioned the current burns up a resistor and then the way the circuit is designed the voltage stops being regulated and the full 250 volts goes to the displays instead of the 180 or so the solenoid board regulates it down to... once it starts doing that, the displays burn a lot brighter, but if you leave it like that they start burning up the plasma areas inside, the only way to fix it is to replace the entire glass.
I know you love these: It's pronounced "Em-Pee-Dense"
WRONG, it's spelled "Impedance".
@@LyonsArcade This made me chuckle, the way you pronounced it (deliberately?) made it sound more like impotence, which is a completely different thing.. ;)
It's Em-Po-Tense The speaker can't get the sound up. LOL
I spy with my little eye, something that's quite dry.
You're a poet, and you know it!
Done amz link clicked LOL
Thank you brother
Oh, actually MicroFarad is not "yu ef"? it is more like "mju ef", cause this little M like letter is called Mu (ancient greek letter) UPD: Yes, it may be written as "u" instead, but I think it is only cause noone use actual greek fonts
It says Uf right on it man, I think you need to educate yourself on what the capacitor says. Next you'll be telling me H20 is pronounced water.
@@LyonsArcade nah, it's just dihydrogen monoxide. Common knowlege
Easily transformed from a complete POS to a respectable game.
Yeah you'll be at the POS 2 sell it just someone else to fix or use or whatever as in point of sale. LOL
I know what you were saying couldn't resist!🙂😏😏
Doesn't Sugar coat it "AUGAT Socket Sucks" Well lets see what you do. Once again another youtuber where my Subscription is no longer subscribed. I am really getting ticked TH-cam , missing great content. So I will re SUB ,
Thank you brother , we appreciate you re subbing!