German vs China Brand Impacts Except We're All Getting Lied To
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Today we take a look at the China made Metabo HPT WR18DBDL2Q4 and the German made Metabo SSW 18 LTX 300 BL or so we thought. Call us naive or late to the party, but it seems like this info should be easier to find?
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Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Neither of these quite stood out enough to make our Amazon winners only circle: amzn.to/3rjhZ6P We may just be out of the loop, but it seems like Metabo is more "worldly" than we or anyone we've shared with this expected. What German made brand should we look into next?
Torque who started TTC works in product development for Astro tools, who also makes impacts (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
My question is - are the batteries compatible?
it's Italian, not German, but.... Paoli please?
@@ckm-mkc No. They're two different platforms.
Sad that metabo htp is using the koki name. That used to be the place of origin for their Japanese made tools back in the day. They were the best of the best of their time. And are still some of the best tools out there even though they’re 30 years old. Have you ever looked at the industrial tools Ryobi makes for only in Japan. They aren’t the same tool and they’re monsters I’ve heard, comparable to makita. Ryobi is just a name that was bought out for the crap tools the depot sells
Fein and Hilti I guess. Although I'd be surprised if today they are made Deutschland.
The German Metabo needs the LiHD Battery packs on the LTX lineup to have peak performance! You are using the less powerful Li-Power one, suitable for the lower power LT-Series!
Please like this comment so he sees it, this is actually very important for these tests as the HpT batteries are using the same cells are the LiHD cells, and his 5.2AH Metabo Batt is only using the less current series!
Is there really a power difference between the LT and the LTX? I thought the LTX series were just slightly smaller in size, had more speed modes, and slightly better led lights. I just got a Metabo SSW 18 LT 300 BL with the LiHD battery, am i going to see any difference in performance or should i have just went with the Li-power ones?
@@Amokof The brushed motors have more torque than the brush-less.
I haven't checked to see if they still do a brushed motor as my Metabo stuff is still going strong 10 years later.
It is my understanding that the LTX is higher spec than the LT.
@@Amokof I have a SSW 18 LTX 400 and I can see a huge power output difference between Li and LiHD. Not sure how much in percent but some bolts came loose only with LiHD.. Have both battery types
"Cat walking on a keyboard model number"... As the owner of two cats, I find this particularly funny for it's accuracy.
Yeah, Metabo HPT model numbers are about as helpful as Bosch and Ridgid model numbers. Milwaukee, Ryobi, and DeWalt aren’t drastically better, but they are shorter and Milwaukee at least gives some useful information about generation and brushed/brushless.
2, Is that all? 😳🤭
The same cat names the Chinese mfg. Companies on amazon...ya know the ones that get renamed every 2 months
@@T0tenkampf most of the model numbers are shorter, like "C3607DA"(Circular Saw, 36v, 7", 1st gen)
It's not a Chinese company. It's Japanese. It's been around since world war 2 or something
Definitely think you need to try some of the LiHD batteries instead of the Li-Power ones, significant difference between the two, and most of the time that's what metabo is packaging with their mid-high end kits in europe.
li- high defnition
li- power
wich one
I have the ssw 18 ltx 400 bl and can confirm, that this bigger one is made in Nürtingen, Germany
Most of the ltx line is made in Germany and if they are, they really are made in Germany the plastic housing, the aluminum, even the motor is wound in the same house
One key thing that gets lost with the Metabo Hpt product line is that it's rated IP56 weatherproof. Working outside in the rain without an issue or worry is great peace of mind
I prefer to work inside and get normal tools
@@radua.1421 Normal tools?
@@histguy101 milwaukee
@@histguy101 no arguing bruv
u the man ttc thanks for the testing it's hard for Meta-bros like me 2 find reliable info about alot of these tools, keep it up 👍
Would like to see drill tested for torque!
I often use my drill to with a 3/8 adapter to run up trailer jacks and have noticed difference between some of the brands we have including letting the factory smoke out of a few.
Here in Germany, we still get the German made tools. Outside Germany (especially EU) you will not get them however. Ltx line of tools is the highest grade of the Metabo german tools, and their internal build quality is seriously stunning! Each one of their planetary gears have an own set of needle bearing instead of just „sleeves“ (aka. metal on metal with some lube) like seen on every single other manufacturer I have taken apart yet! Their internals are mostly all customer serviceable due to having connectors everywhere -> no need to solder at all. They als offer the quickest kickback protection I have seen. I have had apart: Makita LXTs 18V ones, Ryobis 18V the expensive ones, Bosch Professional 18V ones… The previously checked machines were not the cheapest ones, not at all actually… If possible get your Hand on a „BS 18 ltx bl i“ stunning drill, best one I ever had! And bare tool for around 300€ incl. their „Metabox“ but without battery or charger. Worth every penny, they even fixed the common problem where the gear shifter would eventually break giving a terrible gear scrambling noise when trying to switch to the 2nd speed that is common with bosch professional and makita drills…
By making them in Germany, they will never loose their german Professionals, as they are known in Germany since 1-2 Generations to build reliable tools. And as the first manufacturer with needle bearings on every gear in there, In can understand why… As an electrical engineer I even think about joining them to make sure the reliability of electronics in there will be on point in the future as well!
You still get the exact same Metabo tools in Germany as outside it in EU, there's no real difference. Plenty of my recently bought tools are the exact same models as the German ones, and still made in Germany. It's a matter of models rather than regions.
Got an BS 18 LTX BL I that I bought a few months ago for €50.
@@TheDaniel85 Your Drill costs >200€ pretty much anywhere on the Internet... Show us where LTX-Machines are sold for sub 100€!?
@@Elektrotechniker Retailer close to me stopped stocking Metabo, so they sold their display models with a big discount. As new in box with warranty. They also had their 18V vacuum for €60 and their large KHA 18 LTX Bl 24, complete with vacuum attachment for €150.
I have got the ssw 400 model impact wrench with the 5.5 ah batteries with 21700 cells. The tool and battery are actually made in Germany and it performs really well. It can loose bolt up to 900 nm so performance wise it really delivers. And it is still quite compact.
Batteries are made in Hungary, but that's still not bad.
Made in nürtingen germany assembled in Hungary
Metabo opened a factory in China a few years ago, and some newer and price-competitive tools are made there.. Like the 12V Powermaxx, some circular saws and the impact mentioned.
But a lot of other tools are still made in Germany, like my newly purchased BS 18 BL LTX, KHE 2680 and my angle grinder.
Nothing new or unknown there.. But perhaps not as widely known state-side.
id still bet on Metabo's reliability and Safety features especially in their angle grinders compared to any other brand despite some of their tools being manufactured in China, just too bad their marketing sucks
Metabo and Metabo HPT are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT tools. They are different companies both owned by Koki holdings
@@danhenderson783 Your point being? Metabo HPT is only a stupid regional name for Hikoki in the US/Ca anyways.
@@TheDaniel85 point being Metabo HPT also known as “Hikoki” is a Japanese company Metabo is a German company. Both owned by Koki holdings inc. You learned something, be happy.
@@danhenderson783 Yeah, I learned you have no idea what you're talking about.
Thank you.
I have several Metabo tools and it is very hard to know what the country of origin will be before buying. I have a 400bl impact wrench that is made in Germany.
Also it would be ideal if you can test their LiHD batteries, as I think you get the most output from their 5.5Ah LiHD model. Their batteries are part of a standardized platform that we mostly miss out on here in the US. They really keep away from any more than 2 rows of cells in the battery pack for cooling reasons. That ends up making the higher capacity batteries have a slower discharge rate.
Bosch also makes an impact directly in line with these, the GDS18V-221N. Right now it’s $169 at lowes and you get a 4.0ah battery and charger kit for free.
I just bought a Metabo combo kit with a Hammer Drill and Impact wrench SSD 18 LTX 200 BL , Both units and the batteries in the combo kit were all made in Germany.
You mean one last screw was put in Germany and plaque was printed as "made in Germany", right?
Unfortunately good old quality is gone to China where was eaten as bat soup.
I can’t remember but have you tested the accuracy of Milwaukees one key system with entering in the torque you want?
Or any such system. Be it Tool Connect from Dewalt or Makita has one. Hikoki has one. etc.
@@J.Wick. When did Makita get one? Makita had no such thing last year when I was speccing out a tool chest for my employer at that time.
@@Hansengineering A Bluetooth adapter that goes on the new DST impact TD002. Came out maybe 6 months ago. Only in Japan.
@@misha030302 neat!
Well well... The tool you show at 7:59 "also sell for 240$plus" ist the next bigger model, the ssw 18 ltx 400 bl. It is rated for 400Nm (something lower in ft-lbs).
The metabo tools usually operate a lot better with LIHD batteries which contain 21700 cells. These are the ones with the red rubber bumpers. Full power is available starting at 5,5Ah (at least many say that, in my experience fog this tool it doesn't matter whether you use a single row 4Ah battery or a two row 8Ah battery). But I'd be happy to stand corrected.
This is true. I have the German made combo kit with the Li-HD batteries.
I like HPT because of the flex volt and plug in option. Milwaukee needs to make a a/c adapter. It’s definitely handy with saws etc.
Yeah and rotary hammers, cutting through concrete etc , one of the biggest reasons I have been replacing many of my red and teal over the last 4yrs
2 of the reasons why I bought into the platform, unfortunately the ac adapter is ridiculously priced, at least here in Australia ($269USD). Looks like a much more decent option in the US. ($124USD)
Tools are great batteries are shit though. Most of my 3y old batteries are down to 2 bars instead of 4, and I've had a couple just stop working on me after a drop. The drill also stopped working after a small like 3ft drop off my work bench
I love my Metabo HPT mid torque
The old 1/2" u tested has been out for a long time and they have been clearancing them out as low as $40 at Lowe's
Still a good tool for a homeowner but if u want real top end power get that beastly Metabo HPT 36V mid torque , absolute beast!
Just as a side note we do have Metabo in the states. Evey major city has more than a handful of vendors. They're usually at contractor/industrial supply houses and not so much at the DIY stores like home Depot/Lowe's. Not saying they're better or worse just that they can be bought.
It is interesting. I have a Makita small impact (DTW 300) and it is made in United Kingdom for the European market while for the US the identical (except model number) is made in China. Makita also makes tools in Germany and Romania for the European market.
I have 2 of the 400bl models and just checked. They are both made in Germany. My original one that i bought in 2012ish and that has been drowned in water and crushed by an abrams tank barrel finally started to die at the end of last year. I bought another one on sale at the end of last year with a new 5.2amp battery so I'll see how long it lasts. A decade out of rhe first one (including the original batteries that i bought in 2011 and are still going strong) gives me a lot of confidence
I have pretty much exclusively Metabo tools, with the exception of some Milwaukee auto ratchets, and about half of them are made in China. I've got no complaints though, they're still tougher than most of the cars I work on. I've had the same batteries for about 5 years now and haven't had to replace any of them, and all of my impacts have been thrown real hard onto concrete out of frustration and came out of it with nothing more than a couple small scuffs.
Metabo warranty replacement service is really smooth too. Think tool truck level of customer service.
G'day, I've had great after sales/warranty when required. I now have over 20 different METABO devices. I've also killed some tools and battery's and not tried a warranty claim for those items. Crushed a rattle gun under a truck tipper tray. My son recently using one battery to jump start his car and connected the leads backwards. It hissed and sparked then let the smoke out. I wont try a warranty claim on that one either.
I wasn't that lucky with my one & only Metabo drill. It was an 18v drill/hammer drill, the gearbox was OK, the Vietnamese batteries were OK but the motor was the cheapest piece of garbage I'd ever seen. My previous drill was just a big box store brand but I had used that til it was too hot to hold. The metabo on the other hand, I'd barely used over it's first year & the first time it got even slightly warm I had one more week light use & the brushes disintegrated. The motor didn't have changeable brushes & the copper used for the brushes was so thin, the slightest whiff of heat made them work harden & break. A well known brand making cheap rubbish knowing their brand name will see them through!
@@Arckivio Metabo? Brushes? You're doing it wrong! All my Metabo/hpt stuff has been rock solid and I use it commercially. All battery packs I've taken apart have kick ass Samsung 30Q 18650 cells and potted electronics so I have no freaking idea what you're going on about. Maybe you bought a knock off...happens.
There is a company called kress that was aquired by positrac.it says german maid but kinda suspect since positrac is china.also i would love to see you test one of those digital torque wrenches to see beans and accuracy.great job and i was stoked to see a freshi up early this morning 👍
Kress is chinese crap.
Just an FYI, I have had Metabo (not HPT) that there were made in China (Some say PRC) going back to 2015. Also, for the most part, they make excellent tools, but there are a couple of lackluster performers. Like all brands, no one hits a homerun with every tool they make.
Watching TTC this morning. Waiting on the Project Farm review. It's Sunday.
I have the 400nm 1/2” model that’s made in Germany. The 200nm 1/4” driver I have is made in China though. You can tell the difference in quality but love both of them. Going on vacation for 2 weeks in June and won’t be using them if you’re interested in testing them. Can send a 4ah and 8ah battery.
Metabo tools have been made in different countries for a long time. My 14.4V (that platform has been discontinued for years) drill-driver from 2017 is made in China. I'm still very happy with it though, it's a solid tool.
Metabo has had a factory in China for a long time now. And since KKR bought Metabo and Hikoki(Hitachi), there will be more cooperation between those two companies which both have factories in China.
You can pretty easily tell which Metabo tools are made in germany by the pricing. If it's competitive to a China tool, it's not made in germany. This goes for pretty much all of their tools. Their right angle grinders for example have to different price regions. Greetings from germany.
Aren't they both owned by Hitachi?
@@deltaracecraftsolutions KKR Holdings owns both companies.
This whole video and comment section can be summarised as "Americans getting confused by the world outside of America"
@@deltaracecraftsolutions Briefly. Hitachi owned Hitachi Power Tools and acquired Metabo in 2016. Hitachi then sold Hitachi Power Tools and Metabo to Koki Holdings in 2017. The parent company is now Koki Holdings which owns Hikoki (Metabo HPT in America) and Metabo.
@@toolscientist I'm an American that lived in Japan for 4 years and in Germany for 7 years. Many Americans live outside America.
I still have an old Hitachi drill that's since been rebranded Metabo HPT, it even takes the same battery as Metabo HPT, I'm surprised it's still working it's been through a lot
Thanks for testing german/european tools! It's helps to put american tools into persprectice
I don't quite get the obsession over the country of origin. If the brand (in this case Metabo) has their quality control down then what does it matter where they are manufacturing exactly except from an end user pricing point of view? If the tool works well and performs as advertised and it happens to be manufactured in china so what? Even if it has "Made in Germany" printed on it only a small if even percentage of parts are actually made in Germany. All plastics and electronics do come from the land of the rising sun anyway and are only final assembled in Germany maybe.
Would love to see some Einhell stuff, they present some good value to us in Europe and it would be good to see how they compare to the more famous brands
Einhell is like Black & Decker quality. Straight in to a bin.
Would love to see some Masterforce by Chervon impacts tested. They get talked down by everyone but I use them every day and they keep up with our Milwaukee tools and get used and abused every day.
I'm deep in on Hitachi/Metabo. Solely because of the amazing deals I keep finding. I have drill, light, reciprocating saw, circular saw, jigsaw, small impact driver, small drill, 4 chargers (one of them being the faster one), 8 batteries, and impact that you tested. All the bright green. All purchased new for under $550 if I recall correctly. I also have their job site saw, however, that was purchased based on specs rather than price or already having Hitachi/Metabo tools. $250 used.
I purchase based on value for money spent and the tool I want. I also have Dewalt and Milwaukee products that were gifts or the tool I wanted/needed. I do plan to get the Dewalt mid torque at some point. As long as a deal doesn't come down the line on a Metabo first.
The power dial is super nice. Didn't expect that.
I like it too!
In Australia, the Metabo HPT was Hitachi, and now as you mentioned Hikoke (or however you spell it)
I know it's not an impact wrench but my experience is I've spent a few thousand pounds ( Britain) on German metabo and honestly I've had all 4 tools break on me. They're definitely poorer quality than the metabo german stuff from the 90s. I had a drill, impact driver, planer and track compatible 18v saw break on me. Yet I bought dewalt and Milwaukee and they've blown metabo out the water in performance. I would never consider purchasing any German metabo stuff again. Which is sad as an apprentice back in the 2000s I used all old metabo stuff that were great. Thanks for sharing the video very insightful. Much love from the UK
I have an SSW 18 LTX 400 BL. Manufacture date 06/16. It's made in germany. Bought in Australia.
HItachi used to make motors for Metabo and some HIlti years ago.
I would love to see metabo hpt add a 3/8 impact to their line
Any chance in seeing some of Northern Tool + Equipment's stuff? Klutch and Ironton? They're Air, not Electric, but would love to see how they compare.
i need a video about torque adapter accuracy. Do they work accuratly after year(s) of use and are there difference between more expensive and cheaps. thanks
I have the 18V Metabo-HPT and I bought it because I was already using the Hitachi battery system. I was a little underwhelmed with it after using it the first time. I also own a IR 231 pneumatic gun that I ported after watching the TTC episode about the NASCAR gun that was ported. Porting makes a big difference in how the 231 gun performs for me. It is very noticeable - it feels like a different animal.
The Metabo-HPT isn't an expensive tool (I bought tool body only) and with the new style 18V 3.0 Ah battery pack it is pretty compact. I was a bit bummed overall when I first got it because it was underwhelming compared to the performance of some of the older cordless Hitachi tools I have, but after using it I find it's sufficient for what I do, working on my own junk at home.
If it was the only impact wrench I owned I would be unhappy with it, but it takes less effort than lubing up the elbows and turning wrenches by hand and is less of a hassle than dragging out the air hose every single time to use the air gun. It's a good in between and for that reason I'm happy with it considering what I spent and how portable it is. If I didn't have the pneumatic gun, I would have opted for the 36V Metabo HPT tool. Even at $199 for the tool, I would still have needed to purchase 36V batteries because I only have 18V versions.
Anyway, thanks for doing what you do.
The new Mid torque Metabo HPT is my new favorite impact over my Milwaukee and Makita
I wonder how hard it would be to get the non-TTi Ryobi power tools like the 18V LI-ION CORDLESS IMPACT WRENCH XIW-3100 from Ryobi South Africa.
Not hard to directly import almost any tool, but it will cost more and have no warranty(unless you pay to have it shipped back to origin).
Definitely would like to see more cutaway vids
Could you test battery adapters? For instance the Milwaukee tool with the DeWalt battery and the dewalt tool with Milwaukee battery?
Watching this I was thinking of the Kobalt "compact". 200ft lbs may not be a ton of power but it can get a surprising amount of work done on a vehicle.
Not everything has to earth shattering torque to be useful.
However I am guilty of wanting a bigger power number myself. Even if it isn't needed.
I use that ridgid sub-compact that both of these outperformed on basically everything that isn't frame/suspension/brakes/wheels. It's positively tiny, and so low on power, you can't break anything. Yet it still gets bolts out.
@@Hansengineering worked with a guy who used his sub compact all the time. It does get a lot done.
This is what i have been waiting for if i could subscribe 2 times i would thanks for this one you guys are legends
That would be like buying a Ford because you wanted to support local industry and jobs, then discovering its made in Mexico.
And oddly the japanese Toyota is made in USA, 😆
Or buy GM that has made in China and Mexico parts
I find it amusing that my Dodge is made in Mexico while my Toyota is made in Kentucky.
@@sinisterx9029 Mainly China (at least heavy metal stuff).
Most of my Metabo tools (impacts, drills, grinders) are made in Germany. Depends on the market. In the United Kingdom and Ireland HPT is not sold that i know of, mostly German made Metabo products. Higher price shown here was for a 400 LTX BL. 400NM, BL brushless which I use regularly and would not replace it with anything else. I cannot comprehend why Metabo would put their name on the HPT as it is no-where near the same product. The exceptions are, my Metabo batteries are assembled in Hungary and a sabre saw i have is made in china. The saw is still a well designed and engineered product and is different from its rivals. I first started using the 400 LTX BL around 2010. Nothing else in the UK came close to it at that time and the tool has remained unchanged to this day. They tend to be only sold by professional tool suppliers and not in DIY stores here. They are in real world use on my channel.
"In the United Kingdom and Ireland HPT is not sold that i know of".
HPT is sold in Ireland and the UK too, it's just called HiKoki like in the rest of the world outside North America. In most of the World the power tool brand formely know as Hitachi (Hitachi Koki) is sold as HiKoki now (short for Hitachi Koki), it's only in North America it's sold as Metbo HPT. It changed name after Hitachi sold off their Hitachi (Koki) power tool branch. Hitachi / HiKoki also took ownership of the German power tool brand Metabo around the same time, but it's still a seperate brand with seperate R&D, manufacturing and battery platform etc. For some strange marketing reason they deciced to rename Hitachi to Metabo HPT (short for Hitachi (Koki) Power Tools) in North America while it was renamed to HiKoki in the rest of the world. So the light green Metabo HTP / HiKoki is just the new names for the former Hitachi brand and should not be consfused with the dark green german Metabo tool line. Nothing has really changed since Hitachi Koki took over Metabo. But now many people get confused and think Metabo HPT is Metabo, when in reality it's just Hitachi / HiKoki.
@@ITubeTooIncSo HPT is a North American brand name and is not found in UK
Whaaaaaaaaaaataboucheee :)
I watch your channel too, Sir. Hello from Northern England.
You had your moneys worth out of the impacts doing that Ford subframe mount
@@ITubeTooInc Good summary, but HPT stands for "High Power Tools", but it was obviously chosen to link it with the old name "Hitachi Power Tools".
@@toolscientist that was my finding as well..high power
Out of curiosity…..Do you ever check your load bolt? How to you keep that a constant and not a variable? Do you check it for stretching? Do you use and kind of oil or anti seize on it?
Oh all the time. We change it out somewhat often. We use high pressure grease, new coating each test day. We calibrate before testing to known values then check half way thru again.
@@TorqueTestChannel Thanks for the answer, I appreciate it! Glad this video was in my recommendations. Don’t know how I’ve never ran across your channel before. As someone who uses cordless impacts on a daily basis, I’m finding a lot of your content useful!
Ever considered going over the torque settings on the one key milwaukee? Thanks
Hey guys, i just got the Metabo 18 LT 300 BL (dark green one), and was wondering if it had enough torque to remove the lug nuts off of my car’s wheels?
Have you tested the MATCO 3/8 16v Stubby impact? I'm seeing videos of people pulling brake caliper bolts and it's smaller than the 3/8 Stubby Milwaukee M12.
Just got one to test!
Another great video. Thank you
I've got a three or four years year old BL400, as well as a drill and grinder, they all say 'Made in Germany'. I've just bought an SDS drill, and that says made in Germany also. I'm from the UK, do not sure if that makes a difference.
As for the speed/torque control, I usually leave it on Max for 10 or 12mm bolts, 7 or 8 for self tapping or roofing screws, or screwing into wood, and around 3 or 4 if I'm doing something delicate. I'm not sure how linear, or precise it is, but it suits my needs very well.
Having said that, I've just had a battery go down on me, it's 3 or 4 years old, so that is a bit disappointing..
I'm in the UK i use Einhell mine say made in Germany,please look at them.
Thanks Dave
You guys should test the German made HAZIT I would really like to see if there worth the price I love your channel I really trust your testing methods thanks from Colorado
I’m new to the channel but I was wondering if you Could show use the beans for the Dewalt DCF840? I know there has been other channels who have tested them but it would be awesome to see.
Why didnt U use the LiHD battery with the dark green Metabo?
Are you going to be testing the new metabo hpt triple hammer bolt to see if they fixed the triple hammer
Now I am curious if we can get hold of the same model made in Germany vs China to test against each other. Would the German made ones just hold up a little better like Volkswagens or do they have a bit more power?
German VWs or ChiCom VWs?
Any chance that dial gets accidentally hit during impacting?
It does have a pretty light detent.
I've accidentally rotated mine without meaning to, and only realised when the self taper that I was trying to drive in wasn't having it.🤔
It's never been annoying though and doesn't happen often.👍
And Japanese buyers of Seiko usually buy Seikos make in Japan, unlike the rest of us. (Yes, I am fully aware plenty of Japanese-made Seikos are authentically sold in North America, mostly on higher-end models.) It's possible metabo "only" sells German-made tools in Europe.
My perception of Metabo in Germany has changed from high end towards good mid tier brand with very competitive prices. They make a lot of tools that are recommended for starting out because they often make products priced just above the cheapish brands that are probably fully china sourced. E.g. ther saws are cheaper than Bosch and Makita but still good but lacking a few features. I don't think they try to compete on the high end and I don't expect them to be made in Germany. Most tools by German brands aren't german made anyways. The engineering and QC standards make a difference though.
Hikoki, i.e. Metabo HPT tools over here, seems to target a higher end market from my perspective.
Need a LiHD battery, substantial difference. My Uk tools are a mix of made in Germany /china but impacts and drills have most parts manufactured in house Germany and then assembled in china.
May the force be with you young Jedi
Got metabo 2017 ltx 400 3.5 battery
12 wheel setting made in germany very pleased
And a ssw 200 metabo 2009 batterys still good made in prc 3 settings
And now m18 high torq as well
In uk
can you build a super-capacitor battery and see how tools perform with such an "ideal" battery?
I have the metabo hammer drill it’s made in Germany and I love it.
Usually only the top of the line products are made in Germany.
The LTX400 is.
However Metabo has its own production factory in China.
Bosch is similar. Some top of the line versions are German, most of the others not. They have factory’s in multiple countries.
One has to check for every product. Also the country of origin might change.
See Festool CXS. Now made in they’re Czech factory.
I would be really interested in the Fein Models due my whole 18V system is Fein
hey guys
Just wanted to say that I do in fact have the 36 volt version of the metabo HPT, or hikoki as it's known here in australia. Happy to send it your way for testing purposes?
I also have the SSW 18LTX 400BL if you'd like to get your hands on that as well?
Reach out to me if you feel so inclined.
They may have wanted 18V on both tools for a level playing field
@@toolscientist The playing field is bound to change... Someone is bound to bring a bulldozer sooner or later! lol
Was 14.4V for a long time, and then highend tools started using Li-Ion (bulldozer) and so to keep up, we started getting 16V Ni-Cad.
And considering these high volt models have been around in high end models for awhile already, I think we're due for the consumer grades to jump up to a new voltage level...
As such, I think his offer for a 36V is fair game to bring into the 18/20/22V category! 😏
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@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE No doubt. As long as they're in the same weight class then 12V, 18V, 36V, 54V are comparable as the end user doesn't care about voltage, only the size of the tool.
I think the idea of this test was to compare 2 tools under the same ownership and see if they shared DNA (they don't), in which case the 18Vs are a better option.
@@toolscientist Aaah I see what'cha meant now! Yea, that makes sense 😁😊
@@toolscientist German Metabo and Japanese Hitachi(Metabo HPT)have been sharing DNA for years, even before one bought the other.
Can you test the bosch gds 12v impact driver? It seems rather weak. Cant remove my car lugnuts.
The HPT is ip56 rated, meaning its mostly dust and water proof. A convenient perk. I feel like that should give it a slight bump in the rankings.
both brands are owned by the same company. most of the metabo cordless range i have say made in china but all the corded tools i have are made in germany. also mafell cordless range are metabo tools rebranded
The new Metabo HPT Triple Hammer Bolt is now available and looks to have some more beans available
Also that HPT has been as low as $79 at Lowes
What model number is the new one?
@@TorqueTestChannel It is awesome. 36DC I have one if you want to test.
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Ahh kit only so far in us? Can't borrow as we need to hack up! Lol
@@TorqueTestChannel in US yes. Kit only. Available on Amazon JP bare. I got a review model from MHPT. Yeah, no hacky. Love that thing. If you ever need one for normal testing lol lemme know. 🤘
Really hope TTC sees my comment this time, can you please test the effect of using the wrong size socket on a nut/bolt? For example, how much power do you loose using a socket that's 1mm too large, say a 34mm socket on a 33mm truck lug?
We've seen it. Its just not enough for an episode so needs to be wrapped up in another for science video
@@TorqueTestChannel oh! TH-cam notifications are poo sometimes, i probably didn't see the reply. Excited to see the results whenever it comes around
@@brandon2076 We'll 100% do it at some point. Maybe in a viewer suggestion round up vid
@@TorqueTestChannel I'm curious if using a slightly oversized socket with a torque stick has much of an impact. I work for GM and with our swollen 22mm nuts some guys just use a 7/8, 22.5, or 23mm socket on all lugs swollen or not.
i bought metabo for the cordless grinders, and was dismayed to find the impact hit worse than an old dewalt nimh. It was then stolen. The little drill driver let the smoke out in 9 little months.
Could you test how much torque it takes to break a crome socket with an impact if you don’t mind.
More than a bolt can take, it would need to be a stuck fastener, which can't be measured
I have a Matabo HPT pin nailer that's made in China, but also lists Koki Holdings Japan, on the same label. Now I'm confused.
Koki Holdings owns both Metabo and Hikoki (which is known as Metabo HPT in North America), but they operate independently. Hikoki is formerly Hitachi Power Tools and has their headquarters and engineering in Japan with most manufacturing done in China. Metabo has headquarters, engineering and some manufacturing in Germany and some in China. Nobody really knows why they had the brain-fart of renaming Hitachi to Metabo HPT in NA instead of Hikoki like they did in the rest of the world. I read somewhere it was because they thought a german sounding name would sell better than a japanese sounding name.
Koki is the name of the power tool company (always was) and the new holding company (post sale from Hitachi) is headquartered in Japan.
Can you test the BOSCH GDS18v-221 impact next please?
A 12v series would be nice
Hi Guy, what a Festool TID18?
the LTX 400 Bl is almost always made in Germany. I've never seen that model made in China.
Did the light turn on without battery ( minute 1)
Have you tested the Aldi Ferrex brand cordless brushless impact wrench 20 volt dc 3 speed settings low 0-1500/min , impact rate 1800/bpm torque 215 Nm -158 Ft/Lbs
medium speed 0-2000/min impact 0-2600 torque 280 NM 206 Ft/Lbs
high speed 0-2600/min impact 0-3300bpm torque 350 Nm 258 Ft/Lbs
Most of the higher end models are still made in Germany. So an entry level 125mm grinder would be china but one with all options would be made in Germany.
Problem with metabo is they do what many others do is to to bring out cheap products so satisfy the masses and some of them could even be rebranded.
Its like many tool manufacturers, they have some outstanding products and many average products.
I bought same "german" Metabo as in your video it literally died on the first use while fastening M8 self-tapping screws.
Why do tools have different names in differnt contrys? Here in Sweden Hikoki was named Hitachi but they changed to Hikoki in 2018-19.
Stupid legal bullshit is why Metabo HPT is called Metabo HPT. When the company was getting sold to KKR the owners refused to give KKR the legal rights to the HiKoki name in the U.S.
Because the people who bought Koki from Hitachi (KKR) smoke rocks.
Oh really? I figured it was because Metabo had a higher end brand image to it.
@@rpavlik1 I would imagine that 98-99.9% of the American Hitachi customers had never heard of Metabo before.
Thanks for testing the real Metabo!
I just looked at the label of my 03/2021 SSW400 which I bought here in Germany. This one was apperently still made in Germany.
Just a heads up: Hazet powertools are just relabeled Dewalt tools.
Thanks for the awesome videos and greetings from Germany.
1:40 the DCF912? 👀
I thought the metabo HPT stood for metabo “Hitachi power tool” and was essentially the cheaper line of metabo tools. Didn’t they buy out hitachi? I like metabo, but never liked hitachis tools, all of the ones I owned didn’t last as long as even harbor freight lol.
Yeah i have a lot of old hitachi tools, they keep changing their name, but will always be most well known for their magic wand, or very sucky motor ads from the 90s
Hitachi bought Metabo before being bought out themselves.
Both brands make high end professional tools that are comparable in quality and price.
Metabo is best known for their premium grinders and hammer drills
Metabo HPT(Hitachi) is best known for their premium nailers and miter saws.
Both make all the rest and are comparable in price to Milwaukee or Makita. If you want any Metabo tools still made in Germany, or Metabo HPT still made in Japan, you're gonna pay a lot more.
That's interesting, I have a combi dril Sb18ltx-q and that is made in Germany.
I saw Ssw400txl and it was made in Germany too. I've decided to buy the Ssw800txl which wasn't available for testing or view before buying it. Finally when it was delivered to me, I was left speechless, it is made in China. Needless to say I wasn't happy.
I genuinely thought I was buying a German product.
Mind you they have the 18v batteries for that Metabo hot so you don't need that big boy battery they also have the smaller 36v battery
Nice work
5.2Ah vs 8Ah Can we get a test with a 8Ah LiHD batterie on the Metabo?
Jesse:
Spirit. Thank you. Thank you for providing us with power tools... uh... electronic clutches, Nuron big boy batteries an' no touch collet sytems, and... um... Torque Test Channel. Thank you.
Leon:
Amen!
Dom:
Very nice.
Letty:
He was praying to the torque gods.
May PW rest in peace....amen 🙏
i had the "german" version for 3 years, too bad its not possible to open it and re grease the hammer. you need a special factory jig to balance the engine for assembly.
I like the original hitachi tools. Although the designs of the newer metabo hpt seems a bit better