I don't understand... quick cast is literally able to perform the functions of both other cast modes. Want to throw it out instantly without targeting? Quick Cast has that. Want to aim with the targeter? Quick Cast has that too. As you pointed out, your movement isn't limited with quick-cast if you have the right key setup. So just... in a vacuum... isn't Quick Cast just superior to the other two? Also you are 100% right about personal preference. Even if one casting method is "better" by some measure, that doesn't mean YOU will perform YOUR best with that method. However there are some abilities that are crucial to being on instant/quick. For example my wife uses Normal Casting and couldn't perform the Tyr combo or Ah Puch combo very well. Once she changed just 1 of the abilities to quick/instant she was able to pull it off easily.
Your right but my only problem is the mere fact of quick casting is letting go of the button at wrong times and also limiting my movements because of how i set up my keyboard so I guess it comes down to opinion and play styles?
tejay108 Yeah, but those are separate questions really. "Which casting method is superior?" "Which casting method works best for me?" "Which casting method do I enjoy more?" Of course I'm all for everyone using whichever method they feel the most comfortable with!
I might be the only person that prefers normal cast on EVERYTHING. Litterally, the two combos you said (tyr and ah puch) I can hit them no issue. On ah puch I get the 1 3 2 every damn time
Ivan Cubric Can you video yourself doing the Ah Puch combo? She could do it, and fast, but she didn't compare to the blazing fast speed she has with quick/instant. The biggest difference is if they have a window of escape or get instantly exploded on before they can react.
I have all the dashes on instacast, all the hearings on instacast (guan Yu, Hel, etc), all jumps on quick cast and everything else on normal cast That way I can easily escape or chase an enemy
I forgot that using abilities and moving is a problem for most people, I've had all of my abilities set to mouse buttons for as long as I've been playing.
"You know the character in and out. You played him to mastery 5 or whatever" *looks at all the mastery 10 Neiths and 10 Lokis who still build crit/attack speed*
It's uncanny how many diamond Neith, Loki and Artemis players just completely suck. Bad builds, bad laning, all around bad. Of course, many (if not, most) people who play Super Smash Bros. for any length of time never reach even the lower skill levels seen in tournament play. Goes to show that time spent playing doesn't mean anything if you don't actively learn.
Rosalina the fact that most people think, that hsi passive applies crits. But it doesn't. + Loki is a single target 100-0 burster. You only use AAs to activate your Hydra's, otherwise you don't cause you don't box people. So what's the point on building AS/crits then?
The ultimate casting mode is using whichever feels good on each ability. Like for my chang’e I have the 1 on normal, 2 on instant, 3 on quick, and ult is normal. While for my Aphro I have the 1 on quick, 2 on instant, 3 on quick, and 4 on instant. It just depends on how the abilities feel to you on the different cast modes.
Normal cast can be faster than quick cast, but that's based on the fact that you need to take take your finger, most likely on your left hand, press the key you want, and release it if you want one ability to come out for quick cast. With normal cast, you can still be pressing this key and press LMB with your other hand on the same frame. Even if it takes 3 frames to let go of the key, that would only slow down the quick cast players and not effect normal cast players. Experienced normal cast players are faster than experienced quick cast players
+TakemysoulNL It's definitely important to chose which cast you're comfortable with, but I felt the need to point out how normal cast IS faster than quick cast so that newer players who are indifferent to what mode they choose will know what's actually faster
+TakemysoulNL It can be faster, and if you want to do it faster, it isn't hard. If you want to throw anything out as fast as possible without caring too much about your aim, you can easily do it faster than quick cast. If you want to aim it and take your time, you can, with completely free movement
You can cast abilities in quick cast by pressing the button then clicking. And with proper key bindings (Or a nice mouse ;) ) there is no restricted movement.
Hey Duke! great videos man. Just wanted to say this for those that don't like the default. i use quick cast but my button layout is alot diff and I changed it to suite my play style. edsf are my movement keys. a is 1 ability, w is 2 ability, r is my 3, and spacebar is my ult. left shift is jump, and my relics are on mouse 1,2. pots are on z and c. leveling abilities are set to 1234. i am able to use quick casting very efficiently. and Ullr and sus I have X and would recommend this setup :] Hope this helps those that don't like the default key binding.
with a razor naga or other mouse that has buttons on the side, the best option is quick casting... However normal cast can work well too. Normal cast is harder to activate in a pinch though (like right after being stunned) so on some abilities having quick or instant is superior.
The biggest problem with normal casting in my opinion is it makes AA cancelling a lot harder and more complicated than it should be and really stunts you DPS on some characters.
Pro Tip for Quick Casters: You can avoid the entire movement issue by getting a gaming mouse with at least additional 4 buttons. I have a Logitech G502 which has 2 thumb buttons and two thin buttons just to the left of the main left click.. Since you cannot cast and basic attack at same time, this is not an issue (and yes, with a bit of practice you can still attack cancel). With this I can fully move with my left and use abilities, basic attacks, and cancel with my mouse. Also my wheel has a tilt left and right. I use this for potions/wards. My relics are still on Q & E
Ra's healing zone is something I always put on normal cast. Why? Because sometimes placing it a little far or short when healing teammates or damaging enemies can make all the difference between your allies surviving long enough to get a kill, or your enemy getting zoned or not. If for example you put your 3 just behind the enemy, they can dodge it all together. Or, if you put it right on top of them, they can more easily get away by just running through it's radius. IMO: Normal cast: Accuracy, important-to-hit line abilities, delayed area of effect abilities etc. For example, Scylla's 2 and 1, Vulcan's 4 and 3, Agni's 4 and 1, Anubis's 2 etc.
I switched over to Insta Cast on 99% of my abilites a while back and don't regret it (with the exception of new Gods, where I use Quick until I'm used to range of their abilites.) Everything comes out as quickly as possible, and because I know the ranges and sizes of most abilities in the game (if there's one thing I'm good at it's meticulous memorization of worthless data) it hasn't affected my accuracy at all.
I highly recommend mice with 4 or more thumb buttons, one for each ability. That way you can put any ability on instant cast with no restrictions on movement and you can bind your relics and potions to keys in more easy reach. It's straight up god mode.
A good example of this is, I recently switched to mixed casting because Instant cast can be very hard on gods like khepri. When your mid fight with team mates grouped close its easy to accidently ult the wrong person on instant cast.
+dmbrandon! Only if you press M1 and your ability simultaneously. It's not even worth mentioning because if you do that then you should have instant casting on anyway.
I just use instant cast on escapes. Things like rama's roll, or cupid's dash. Not all movement abilities, like i don't use it on anhur jump or ullr. It just makes it easier for me to get out. And I don't feel like changing the casting modes will help me too much at this point, I've been playing for almost 2 years, I don't know if I could change.
cool video. Consider making a guide for getting the best fps in smite without losing much graphics quality; like, what effect each video setting has on your fps (having shadows on low gives you better fps but doesn't fuck up the quality too much, etc)
I try to put most things on instacast because it feels the most fluent & logical and keep everything else (either because I am not fully familiar with the skill yet or because it needs the precision) on normal. Quick just doesn't have the speed of instacast and I can't aim with it. Normal's button-click combo is almost as fast as instacast (definitely faster than quick) but comfortable to keep on for longer so I don't see a spot for quick cast
The only ability I have on instant cast is Rama's rolling assault. Other than that, I don't enjoy anything other than normal casting. I did however change keybinding on my relics because accessing "G" was harder for me when I started out so I have my 2nd relic on "Space bar". Now I'm used to it and don't wanna change.
For console, it is important to note that you can move around freely with all three types of casting due to the movement being on the left thumbstick and abilities being used with your fingers, assuming you are on the correct control scheme. This, IMO makes quickcast far superior on console
Great channel, but I play on console and using quick cast with savage controls is the best way to go as default. Then change your abilities cast type to suit following on from what you've already said.
Try it and use normal cast on the abilities that need it. It took me some time to get used to it myself, but it really helps over most gods. I still use normal for most ults but when playing someone like Guan Yu I use instant on 3 and ult and quick on the other 2. Really makes the god work well.
Are you using an ESDF pattern to move instead of WASD? That's amazing! I've been doing that for over 10 years and never came across another person to do it. I never understood using WASD honestly, it reduces the number of bindable keys within close reach of your left hand. Of course smite only has 4 binds but it's immensely helpful in other games. I tend to delete games without trying them if they don't have an option to change key bindings (wink wink console ports). If you ever played a Telltale game where an interactive fight scene comes in and you quickly have to hit keys to dodge and attack, it's annoying as all hell to find a certain button quickly with your left hand one key to the left of the position you're used to.
I use Instant Cast since forever and it is the best way to play for me. I use a razar naga mouse that also has a num-block on its left side which I use for abilities and relics (Abilities 1-4, relics 5 and 6), using my right hand thumb for those. It's the best and most responsive way to play the game in my book. You can focus your right hand entirely on aiming and using abilities while your left hand can focus entirely on using WASDQE for mobility. My mouse broke though and habit aside, I realized that it is impossible for me to go back to using the regular 1-4 keys for using abilities simply because it becomes a hassle to use my left hand for both abilities and movement at the same time.
I paid around 80€ for it back then (Not usually the amount of money I spend on gaming, but I had a rough time back then and needed the distraction). I honestly did not even buy a good model, my leftclick gave up somewhat soonish because of poor fabrication, but that aside, that mouse has been a trusty companion for 2-3 years now. There are probably more reliable models you can get for less money these days, just look around the internet or in local stores and see what you can find.
On console you can press the buttons that activate abillitys twice to cast them on normal cast. Would be like pressing two times 1 instead of pressing 1 and then lmb. Wish that would work on PC too
I really wish the camera would pan up above your character when using abilities with long range. I'd like that better, instead of having the camera pan behind your character and towards the ground.
I think its best to set it up per ability on gods. For instance on sylvanus i have his ult and heal on instant, with his 1 on quick on 3 on normal. Hades i have his 1 normal and everything else instant. Really just preference and how you like it
i never use quick cast , only normal cast and insta on abilities like Sols 1 Ras 2 Hels 3 Chang'e 2 and 3 Nu was 1 and 2 Neiths 3 and Aphros 2 but i don't recommend the last one mainly just big circles around the character that don't really require aiming or escapes that aren't really used for dmg , but not all , i tried jing weis 3 on insta and it didn't really worked out , Vulcans 1 can be used on insta cast too but i really don't play him that often , like never.
Quick cast is in my preference meant for Gkeys binded on a mouse. Those mouses with side keys, where the ability to cast abilties with your thumb. and leaves left hand free for mobility #WASD
I just use normal cast, that's what I prefer. I'm that type of person who lines to aim his abilities half an hour before actually cast it + I often change my mind about doing it.
I personally like quick cast first reason is because I have trigger fingers from playing COD so when I tried out normal or instant I found myself either not using my attacks or wasting them, second is because for whatever reason I like to hold the button to a move and cancelling it, don't ask me why I just do
The biggest reason I switched to quick cast as my default, is to avoid accidentally snaring myself when getting silenced/knockup/knockback mid skill target.
Wait so my hand is supposed to cramp up? Never when playing Smite the only key I rebound was g so now my second relic is left shift. I use only quick cast.
For quick cast, you get used for walking while pressing. I use it on all abilities, all gods (xcept ne zha) and have no trouble. For ne zha I use instacast on all skills.
I keep changing Nox's 1 and 2 all the time and can't decide what's best. What works best for you guys? I usually have the silence on normal and root on quick cast so I can root them before they're out of the silence
I prefer quick cast because i have the Razer Naga Epic Chroma it has a whole numberpad of 12 buttons on the side of it that's where all my abilities are and i can level them from it as well so i suffer no movement problems
I feel like all 3 should be used for different abilities, i main a medusa so i use quick casting on slither and spray, quick and not instant because i like to aim where i want to go first. but use normal casting on petrify cause you need to line up all the gods first.
yep 100% preference, some of the best players in the world use normal, others use quick, and some use instant. If there was a actual "best" all top tier players would use it because it would give them an advantage if a "best" casting method existed. I have used all of them for extended periods of time simply to figure out myself if there actually is a "best" one and imo there isn't. They are all viable and the pros / cons of each aren't enough to make it worth swapping from what your comfortable using. The cons of whatever one you like using can be counter acted simply by changing the casting method of the few abilities individually that benefit from a instant cast, ect.
I'm only at 1:10... but I already feel like I need to say something. (Mostly so I don't forget.) This isn't a problem with quick cast, right? It's a problem with button layout. I feel uncomfortable about attributing this problem to Quick Cast when it won't be an issue for everyone. (Is not an issue for me, for example.)
DukeSloth I completely agree... but that isn't a problem with quick-cast. That's a problem with mouse choice, keyboard layout, etc. Of course not everyone would want to invest in a mouse or take the time to get used to a different keyboard layout. Of course not everyone should use quick-cast. I just think the con you listed for quick-cast isn't actually inherent in quick cast. Like instant's con of no targeters can't be fixed/alleviated/affected by any changes to layout, hardware, or anything. It is an inherent negative of that casting method.
SergeofBIBEK Well it is a con in general *unless* you take specific measures against it. The fact that you have to take these measures means that it is a con in the first place, it's just a downside that can be removed with extra effort.
DukeSloth That's a good point. In my case I already had my setup in such a way that it wasn't a problem from the start. So I actually NEVER realized this was a problem for people until this video.
I disagree- not everybody can use a mouse like that. I personally have motor control issues, so anything beyond a 2 button mouse is out of the question for me, and I use those buttons for my relics. Plus, when you have to use all your abilities with your right hand when you're used to playing MMOs with 12345, it would be a steep relearning curve, and I don't view it as worthwhile. I'm perfectly happy with the default layout for the most part, it fits my needs well and works extremely well- if it didn't work like that, it wouldn't have evolved in that manner. IMO Smite doesn't need much customization vs the default bindings, but I also love my normal cast. I do have a few abilities on instant (Kali 3, Guan heal, all of Chang'es kit), and they work well for me, but I can't stand quick cast for the life of me. Lord knows how many times I've tried it for a few weeks and ended up killing myself by doing stupid things like jump into the entire enemy team. For me, quick cast just doesn't work- I'm fine with that, but I also don't think it's the best even if it worked for me, the movement restrictions or total rebinding required is kind of stupid when you could do what you're already proficient at/comfortable with with little work and have it work as well or better in all but the most split second scenarios.
I have yet to start practicing line abilities on instant/quick cast. I do have instant casting on several AoE's such as Hel's 3 and Ra's 2, though. They aren't really things that need precision.
I can play the god a bit more and learn the radius, in the case of Hel's heal. It has a windup time anyway and I can continue to move closer to my target in that half-second or so, just in case.
materiauser I'm talking about the ability itself. Instant cast is the fastest I'm going to get it out, but the fraction of a second before the heal actually hits is there to stay.
dragontyron ah ok. well to each their own, I could never memorize where the circle would be on hel precisely. I just hold the button down until just the right moment.
Doesn't apply to me, since my movement is not hindered at all under quick cast since I changed a lot of the binds. I use quick cast and never had problems with it, though I suppose insta might be better for some specific abilities.
+materiauser the binds that really don't hinder movement at all are pretty damn hard to get used to IMO. I'd like to, but pinky finger for abilities seems so awkward at first.
DukeSloth actually I don't use my pinkies at all, I just have a perdition mouse with like 15 buttons and my abilities are all on that, and even extra space for things like buy menu and skill ups it's all on my right thumb. actually I do have jump bound to my pinkie now that I think about it, with my left hand, but it's not like jump is super important - and I could always change it.
I hate quick cast because for some reason even if you just click it it will have delay. It just feels like a sloppy version of quick cast. Technically instacast is the most superior and normal cast on abilities that you don't believe you can use propelly on instacast.
Things that move in a straight line might as well just not be normal cast. And if you want fast combos, Insta cast is best, unless it's not like with the turret. By the time your rank 10, you might as well have all things Insta cast. Except Vulcans ult and shit.
I have like...98% of the abilities in the game as instacast, the rest (i.e. Vulcan ult, Kali Bleed) as regular cast because of certain issues I have aiming them
i used to play on pc for about 2 years and now i play xbox bc my internet was garbage but quick/instant is vastly superior to normal. it doesnt restrict your movement what so ever and you can not make normal casting faster than quick casting on the controller
Low damage?His 2 deals 330+70% scaling at max rank on an 8s CD(It can deal around 500 damage with 90% scaling if you land it correctly).Also his 3 makes it so that you get an additional 60% scaling to your abilities.So your 2 will be hitting for 500+130% scaling.
Instacast = Good players in which don't need the ability reticle to aim with, for they already know the max distances/Radius of their abilities. AKA if you're good at the game you use instacast.
with instant cast you cant cancel it sooo i dont think is the best on all the skills and second the difference bettwen instant cast and quick cast is almost none beside cancel option
If you put the cloud before Odin cages you and far away from it you can telport out of it also Sol can escape Odins cage with her 3 when she is about to change to into the fireball mode you can phase trough the cage just need a good timing
I think if you need instant cast to help you with tyr or puch combo or anything like that then you're bad with a mouse and keyboard and one more thing its easy to use normal cast and fire it faster than quick cast would.
barely anyone cares but on console quick cast is tricky to aim but worth it, opposite of your defult key set we can move easy on console and cramp finger to aim. I've been thinking about changing to insta on console
im one of those that changed all my bindings i have my 1 and 2 on mouse buttons my 3 on E and my ult on shift plus im using quick cast thought i still 1-4 to upgrade
I don't understand... quick cast is literally able to perform the functions of both other cast modes.
Want to throw it out instantly without targeting? Quick Cast has that. Want to aim with the targeter? Quick Cast has that too.
As you pointed out, your movement isn't limited with quick-cast if you have the right key setup.
So just... in a vacuum... isn't Quick Cast just superior to the other two?
Also you are 100% right about personal preference. Even if one casting method is "better" by some measure, that doesn't mean YOU will perform YOUR best with that method.
However there are some abilities that are crucial to being on instant/quick. For example my wife uses Normal Casting and couldn't perform the Tyr combo or Ah Puch combo very well. Once she changed just 1 of the abilities to quick/instant she was able to pull it off easily.
Your right but my only problem is the mere fact of quick casting is letting go of the button at wrong times and also limiting my movements because of how i set up my keyboard so I guess it comes down to opinion and play styles?
tejay108 Yeah, but those are separate questions really.
"Which casting method is superior?"
"Which casting method works best for me?"
"Which casting method do I enjoy more?"
Of course I'm all for everyone using whichever method they feel the most comfortable with!
I might be the only person that prefers normal cast on EVERYTHING. Litterally, the two combos you said (tyr and ah puch) I can hit them no issue. On ah puch I get the 1 3 2 every damn time
Ivan Cubric Can you video yourself doing the Ah Puch combo? She could do it, and fast, but she didn't compare to the blazing fast speed she has with quick/instant.
The biggest difference is if they have a window of escape or get instantly exploded on before they can react.
+SergeofBIBEK
I drop it pretty fast, accurate too, can't capture the video due to my sucky pc
I have all the dashes on instacast, all the hearings on instacast (guan Yu, Hel, etc), all jumps on quick cast and everything else on normal cast
That way I can easily escape or chase an enemy
I forgot that using abilities and moving is a problem for most people, I've had all of my abilities set to mouse buttons for as long as I've been playing.
i play instacast ullr with targeting disabled
You savage.
and hit nothing
"You know the character in and out. You played him to mastery 5 or whatever"
*looks at all the mastery 10 Neiths and 10 Lokis who still build crit/attack speed*
It's uncanny how many diamond Neith, Loki and Artemis players just completely suck. Bad builds, bad laning, all around bad.
Of course, many (if not, most) people who play Super Smash Bros. for any length of time never reach even the lower skill levels seen in tournament play. Goes to show that time spent playing doesn't mean anything if you don't actively learn.
What's wrong with attack speed/crit?
Rosalina
the fact that most people think, that hsi passive applies crits. But it doesn't.
+ Loki is a single target 100-0 burster. You only use AAs to activate your Hydra's, otherwise you don't cause you don't box people. So what's the point on building AS/crits then?
Travis Vardy
1 out of 10 mastery X neiths is good. Sad but true.
Fancy meeting a Smash player in a Smite video.
The ultimate casting mode is using whichever feels good on each ability. Like for my chang’e I have the 1 on normal, 2 on instant, 3 on quick, and ult is normal. While for my Aphro I have the 1 on quick, 2 on instant, 3 on quick, and 4 on instant. It just depends on how the abilities feel to you on the different cast modes.
Normal cast can be faster than quick cast, but that's based on the fact that you need to take take your finger, most likely on your left hand, press the key you want, and release it if you want one ability to come out for quick cast. With normal cast, you can still be pressing this key and press LMB with your other hand on the same frame. Even if it takes 3 frames to let go of the key, that would only slow down the quick cast players and not effect normal cast players. Experienced normal cast players are faster than experienced quick cast players
That why the pros use normal at least from what i do many of them do
ehem, i use my RIGHT hand
+TakemysoulNL It's definitely important to chose which cast you're comfortable with, but I felt the need to point out how normal cast IS faster than quick cast so that newer players who are indifferent to what mode they choose will know what's actually faster
+TakemysoulNL It can be faster, and if you want to do it faster, it isn't hard. If you want to throw anything out as fast as possible without caring too much about your aim, you can easily do it faster than quick cast. If you want to aim it and take your time, you can, with completely free movement
You can cast abilities in quick cast by pressing the button then clicking. And with proper key bindings (Or a nice mouse ;) ) there is no restricted movement.
Hey Duke! great videos man. Just wanted to say this for those that don't like the default. i use quick cast but my button layout is alot diff and I changed it to suite my play style. edsf are my movement keys. a is 1 ability, w is 2 ability, r is my 3, and spacebar is my ult. left shift is jump, and my relics are on mouse 1,2. pots are on z and c. leveling abilities are set to 1234. i am able to use quick casting very efficiently. and Ullr and sus I have X and would recommend this setup :] Hope this helps those that don't like the default key binding.
with a razor naga or other mouse that has buttons on the side, the best option is quick casting... However normal cast can work well too. Normal cast is harder to activate in a pinch though (like right after being stunned) so on some abilities having quick or instant is superior.
Precisely my feelings. It all boils down to preference and comfort. Well put, duke.
I never thought about the different control schemes too much. Thanks for this video!
The biggest problem with normal casting in my opinion is it makes AA cancelling a lot harder and more complicated than it should be and really stunts you DPS on some characters.
Pro Tip for Quick Casters: You can avoid the entire movement issue by getting a gaming mouse with at least additional 4 buttons. I have a Logitech G502 which has 2 thumb buttons and two thin buttons just to the left of the main left click.. Since you cannot cast and basic attack at same time, this is not an issue (and yes, with a bit of practice you can still attack cancel). With this I can fully move with my left and use abilities, basic attacks, and cancel with my mouse. Also my wheel has a tilt left and right. I use this for potions/wards. My relics are still on Q & E
Ra's healing zone is something I always put on normal cast. Why? Because sometimes placing it a little far or short when healing teammates or damaging enemies can make all the difference between your allies surviving long enough to get a kill, or your enemy getting zoned or not. If for example you put your 3 just behind the enemy, they can dodge it all together. Or, if you put it right on top of them, they can more easily get away by just running through it's radius.
IMO:
Normal cast: Accuracy, important-to-hit line abilities, delayed area of effect abilities etc.
For example, Scylla's 2 and 1, Vulcan's 4 and 3, Agni's 4 and 1, Anubis's 2 etc.
I switched over to Insta Cast on 99% of my abilites a while back and don't regret it (with the exception of new Gods, where I use Quick until I'm used to range of their abilites.) Everything comes out as quickly as possible, and because I know the ranges and sizes of most abilities in the game (if there's one thing I'm good at it's meticulous memorization of worthless data) it hasn't affected my accuracy at all.
Each different cast mode goes well with diffrent abilities
Quick is superior tbh. You get most of the benefits from Normal and from Instant. Without a lot of the problems.
I highly recommend mice with 4 or more thumb buttons, one for each ability. That way you can put any ability on instant cast with no restrictions on movement and you can bind your relics and potions to keys in more easy reach. It's straight up god mode.
JANUS IS A LOW DAMAGE UTLITY MAGE,
also i agree with your opinion, although personally i avoid normal cast and have it only when i first play a god
Janus is low damage??
No its a joke.
A good example of this is, I recently switched to mixed casting because Instant cast can be very hard on gods like khepri. When your mid fight with team mates grouped close its easy to accidently ult the wrong person on instant cast.
I play Merc and Khepri with instacast ult
I use quick cast because I have a Razer Naga Hex mouse for abilities and it doesn't impede my movement.
+dmbrandon! Only if you press M1 and your ability simultaneously. It's not even worth mentioning because if you do that then you should have instant casting on anyway.
Thank you! I never really looked into these but I was thinking of experimenting on them, now I have a head start. Good job!
I just use instant cast on escapes. Things like rama's roll, or cupid's dash. Not all movement abilities, like i don't use it on anhur jump or ullr. It just makes it easier for me to get out. And I don't feel like changing the casting modes will help me too much at this point, I've been playing for almost 2 years, I don't know if I could change.
I have been playing this game for around a year I hope I'm not the only one who hasn't noticed this setting, thank you
cool video.
Consider making a guide for getting the best fps in smite without losing much graphics quality; like, what effect each video setting has on your fps (having shadows on low gives you better fps but doesn't fuck up the quality too much, etc)
Insta cast is just must use on some abilities, you cant afford to lose time on some abilities
{ for example thor stun into doubletap ]
I try to put most things on instacast because it feels the most fluent & logical and keep everything else (either because I am not fully familiar with the skill yet or because it needs the precision) on normal. Quick just doesn't have the speed of instacast and I can't aim with it. Normal's button-click combo is almost as fast as instacast (definitely faster than quick) but comfortable to keep on for longer so I don't see a spot for quick cast
on ps4 quick casting with the savage button layout is amazing its a little wonky at first but when you get used to it its crazy good
i am early let me think of a joke janus is a low dmg utility mage
no shit mate, janus is a guardian.
clearly you are a noob, he is obviously ADC
wow what are you saying he is an assassin.nub
Abdulrhman mohmed ali WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!! why are we talking about smite here? I thought we were talking about portal 2?
MrMysteryy oof
The only ability I have on instant cast is Rama's rolling assault. Other than that, I don't enjoy anything other than normal casting. I did however change keybinding on my relics because accessing "G" was harder for me when I started out so I have my 2nd relic on "Space bar". Now I'm used to it and don't wanna change.
Am I the only one reading the bacchus and anhur’s conversations? Lol
For console, it is important to note that you can move around freely with all three types of casting due to the movement being on the left thumbstick and abilities being used with your fingers, assuming you are on the correct control scheme. This, IMO makes quickcast far superior on console
Great channel, but I play on console and using quick cast with savage controls is the best way to go as default. Then change your abilities cast type to suit following on from what you've already said.
Thats your opinion i like normal cast more though i agree with the controller layout
Try it and use normal cast on the abilities that need it. It took me some time to get used to it myself, but it really helps over most gods. I still use normal for most ults but when playing someone like Guan Yu I use instant on 3 and ult and quick on the other 2. Really makes the god work well.
Are you using an ESDF pattern to move instead of WASD? That's amazing! I've been doing that for over 10 years and never came across another person to do it. I never understood using WASD honestly, it reduces the number of bindable keys within close reach of your left hand. Of course smite only has 4 binds but it's immensely helpful in other games. I tend to delete games without trying them if they don't have an option to change key bindings (wink wink console ports). If you ever played a Telltale game where an interactive fight scene comes in and you quickly have to hit keys to dodge and attack, it's annoying as all hell to find a certain button quickly with your left hand one key to the left of the position you're used to.
I use Instant Cast since forever and it is the best way to play for me.
I use a razar naga mouse that also has a num-block on its left side which I use for abilities and relics (Abilities 1-4, relics 5 and 6), using my right hand thumb for those. It's the best and most responsive way to play the game in my book. You can focus your right hand entirely on aiming and using abilities while your left hand can focus entirely on using WASDQE for mobility.
My mouse broke though and habit aside, I realized that it is impossible for me to go back to using the regular 1-4 keys for using abilities simply because it becomes a hassle to use my left hand for both abilities and movement at the same time.
if I got the cash for that....
I paid around 80€ for it back then (Not usually the amount of money I spend on gaming, but I had a rough time back then and needed the distraction). I honestly did not even buy a good model, my leftclick gave up somewhat soonish because of poor fabrication, but that aside, that mouse has been a trusty companion for 2-3 years now. There are probably more reliable models you can get for less money these days, just look around the internet or in local stores and see what you can find.
Yeah, my maximum for a mouse is 15$ so I'm good with a cheap one
As long as it works for you it's good.
It doesn't, that's the issue :P
It's wireless so it keeps losing connection
10/10 mate, couldnt have explained it any better!
On console you can press the buttons that activate abillitys twice to cast them on normal cast. Would be like pressing two times 1 instead of pressing 1 and then lmb. Wish that would work on PC too
Drinking game with dukes videos. Take a shot each time he says "in this regard"👍🏻
I really wish the camera would pan up above your character when using abilities with long range. I'd like that better, instead of having the camera pan behind your character and towards the ground.
you will always have a disadvantage due to Ping therefore generally it is better to have the faster casting method if you can afford it
I think its best to set it up per ability on gods. For instance on sylvanus i have his ult and heal on instant, with his 1 on quick on 3 on normal. Hades i have his 1 normal and everything else instant. Really just preference and how you like it
i never use quick cast , only normal cast and insta on abilities like Sols 1 Ras 2 Hels 3 Chang'e 2 and 3 Nu was 1 and 2 Neiths 3 and Aphros 2 but i don't recommend the last one mainly just big circles around the character that don't really require aiming or escapes that aren't really used for dmg , but not all , i tried jing weis 3 on insta and it didn't really worked out , Vulcans 1 can be used on insta cast too but i really don't play him that often , like never.
Quick cast is in my preference meant for Gkeys binded on a mouse. Those mouses with side keys, where the ability to cast abilties with your thumb. and leaves left hand free for mobility #WASD
I just use normal cast, that's what I prefer. I'm that type of person who lines to aim his abilities half an hour before actually cast it + I often change my mind about doing it.
I personally like quick cast first reason is because I have trigger fingers from playing COD so when I tried out normal or instant I found myself either not using my attacks or wasting them, second is because for whatever reason I like to hold the button to a move and cancelling it, don't ask me why I just do
Quick cast is amazing. Glad I switched from normal cast.
Quick cast for most abilities
Instant cast for dashes
Normal cast for precise shots (Ares chains, hou yi ricochets, ra ulti...)
The biggest reason I switched to quick cast as my default, is to avoid accidentally snaring myself when getting silenced/knockup/knockback mid skill target.
I might try instant cast on Nox's one because on normal cast I struggle quite a bit to land the combo maybe the faster cast will help me land it more
Well I use quick cast and land it most of the time.
Thanks I'll try that :)
Lana Del Rey
no problem, it's all what works for you personally anyway.
Great info and analysis here!
Wait so my hand is supposed to cramp up? Never when playing Smite the only key I rebound was g so now my second relic is left shift. I use only quick cast.
For quick cast, you get used for walking while pressing. I use it on all abilities, all gods (xcept ne zha) and have no trouble.
For ne zha I use instacast on all skills.
I keep changing Nox's 1 and 2 all the time and can't decide what's best. What works best for you guys? I usually have the silence on normal and root on quick cast so I can root them before they're out of the silence
That's what I'm thinking, I struggle to land the root more with normal cast or they're out of the silence before it lands
I enjoy your videos and I improve just a little bit more
just use a mouse with buttons on the side it wont hinder your movement with quick cast.i personally use a razer naga.
I prefer quick cast because i have the Razer Naga Epic Chroma it has a whole numberpad of 12 buttons on the side of it that's where all my abilities are and i can level them from it as well so i suffer no movement problems
I feel like all 3 should be used for different abilities, i main a medusa so i use quick casting on slither and spray, quick and not instant because i like to aim where i want to go first. but use normal casting on petrify cause you need to line up all the gods first.
Muhammed Kasim instant on your 3 shots?
What advantage the legacy loadout got over the Savage or Normal one?
It's up to personal preference in the end
yep 100% preference, some of the best players in the world use normal, others use quick, and some use instant. If there was a actual "best" all top tier players would use it because it would give them an advantage if a "best" casting method existed.
I have used all of them for extended periods of time simply to figure out myself if there actually is a "best" one and imo there isn't. They are all viable and the pros / cons of each aren't enough to make it worth swapping from what your comfortable using. The cons of whatever one you like using can be counter acted simply by changing the casting method of the few abilities individually that benefit from a instant cast, ect.
Exactly, thank you
That's basically the TL;DR of the vid XD
Or at least what I got out of it.
I fucking love quickcast because i use my Mous side buttons to cast abilitys so i can move freely plus cast abilitys quicker
Than you sir, now i know how to one ability to instant cast.
some abilities are better for me when set to instant like Scylla 1,Susanoo,Odin and Hun ults
well to each their own
I work fine with nomal casting and whatever everyone else uses cool too! :)
I'm only at 1:10... but I already feel like I need to say something. (Mostly so I don't forget.)
This isn't a problem with quick cast, right? It's a problem with button layout. I feel uncomfortable about attributing this problem to Quick Cast when it won't be an issue for everyone. (Is not an issue for me, for example.)
Well, if you can bind all abilities to you thumb and pinkie or your mouse, then yes, but that's not given for most players.
DukeSloth I completely agree... but that isn't a problem with quick-cast. That's a problem with mouse choice, keyboard layout, etc.
Of course not everyone would want to invest in a mouse or take the time to get used to a different keyboard layout. Of course not everyone should use quick-cast.
I just think the con you listed for quick-cast isn't actually inherent in quick cast.
Like instant's con of no targeters can't be fixed/alleviated/affected by any changes to layout, hardware, or anything. It is an inherent negative of that casting method.
SergeofBIBEK Well it is a con in general *unless* you take specific measures against it. The fact that you have to take these measures means that it is a con in the first place, it's just a downside that can be removed with extra effort.
DukeSloth That's a good point.
In my case I already had my setup in such a way that it wasn't a problem from the start. So I actually NEVER realized this was a problem for people until this video.
I disagree- not everybody can use a mouse like that. I personally have motor control issues, so anything beyond a 2 button mouse is out of the question for me, and I use those buttons for my relics. Plus, when you have to use all your abilities with your right hand when you're used to playing MMOs with 12345, it would be a steep relearning curve, and I don't view it as worthwhile. I'm perfectly happy with the default layout for the most part, it fits my needs well and works extremely well- if it didn't work like that, it wouldn't have evolved in that manner. IMO Smite doesn't need much customization vs the default bindings, but I also love my normal cast. I do have a few abilities on instant (Kali 3, Guan heal, all of Chang'es kit), and they work well for me, but I can't stand quick cast for the life of me. Lord knows how many times I've tried it for a few weeks and ended up killing myself by doing stupid things like jump into the entire enemy team. For me, quick cast just doesn't work- I'm fine with that, but I also don't think it's the best even if it worked for me, the movement restrictions or total rebinding required is kind of stupid when you could do what you're already proficient at/comfortable with with little work and have it work as well or better in all but the most split second scenarios.
It's simple.
What you initiate with. Normal. Helps you aim.
Things you need fast. Insta.
Things you need fast, but to aim. Quick.
Can you make a video on protections and penetration?
I have yet to start practicing line abilities on instant/quick cast. I do have instant casting on several AoE's such as Hel's 3 and Ra's 2, though. They aren't really things that need precision.
What if someone is running towards you with low health and an enemy is chasing them? you would want to give that heal the moment they enter range.
I can play the god a bit more and learn the radius, in the case of Hel's heal. It has a windup time anyway and I can continue to move closer to my target in that half-second or so, just in case.
dragontyron
That half second can make the difference though.
materiauser I'm talking about the ability itself. Instant cast is the fastest I'm going to get it out, but the fraction of a second before the heal actually hits is there to stay.
dragontyron
ah ok. well to each their own, I could never memorize where the circle would be on hel precisely. I just hold the button down until just the right moment.
Doesn't apply to me, since my movement is not hindered at all under quick cast since I changed a lot of the binds.
I use quick cast and never had problems with it, though I suppose insta might be better for some specific abilities.
+materiauser the binds that really don't hinder movement at all are pretty damn hard to get used to IMO. I'd like to, but pinky finger for abilities seems so awkward at first.
I like quick cast, but I use a mouse with the number pad on the side, so I don't know this movement struggle thankfully
DukeSloth
actually I don't use my pinkies at all, I just have a perdition mouse with like 15 buttons and my abilities are all on that, and even extra space for things like buy menu and skill ups it's all on my right thumb.
actually I do have jump bound to my pinkie now that I think about it, with my left hand, but it's not like jump is super important - and I could always change it.
I hate quick cast because for some reason even if you just click it it will have delay. It just feels like a sloppy version of quick cast. Technically instacast is the most superior and normal cast on abilities that you don't believe you can use propelly on instacast.
materiauser quick cast is slower than normal in every way so youre wrong
Things that move in a straight line might as well just not be normal cast. And if you want fast combos, Insta cast is best, unless it's not like with the turret.
By the time your rank 10, you might as well have all things Insta cast. Except Vulcans ult and shit.
I does use normal cast on everything and hit almost all my moves the only god I might use instance cast on is ao kaung for the ult
quick cast is way better for me because i have my abilities on shift, z, space and b so i always have fingers on my movement (esdf) and my abilities
I have like...98% of the abilities in the game as instacast, the rest (i.e. Vulcan ult, Kali Bleed) as regular cast because of certain issues I have aiming them
I have a buttoned mouse so I don't really have to think about this but I usually use quick
you can quick cast and jump so no awkward movement to your right
Quick cast is the way to go. Movement isn’t a problem for me as I just W and look the way I wanna go.
Chang'e whole kit is on insta cast for me & it works for me
the 2 and 3 is for me
I have a razer Naga mouse, so quick cast is ideal for me.
Xal quick cast is the slowest of all cast modes you really shouldnt use it
@@ahairylobster8524 nope just using facts quick cast is the worst cast option
@@ahairylobster8524 measure it yourself lol
Any streams tonight Duke?
he tweeted that there won't be streams today nor tomorrow seeing as he is not home.
+LouisLegend98 rip
How do you get the line indicator
i used to play on pc for about 2 years and now i play xbox bc my internet was garbage but quick/instant is vastly superior to normal. it doesnt restrict your movement what so ever and you can not make normal casting faster than quick casting on the controller
I would like your opinion on Janus being a low damage utility Mage
Low damage?His 2 deals 330+70% scaling at max rank on an 8s CD(It can deal around 500 damage with 90% scaling if you land it correctly).Also his 3 makes it so that you get an additional 60% scaling to your abilities.So your 2 will be hitting for 500+130% scaling.
Its called a joke
he doesn't know its a joke
iSensor Honestly I can't really tell if it's a joke or not.Someone might actually think Janus is underpowered.Hell I've seen people say toast is OP.
Instacast = Good players in which don't need the ability reticle to aim with, for they already know the max distances/Radius of their abilities.
AKA if you're good at the game you use instacast.
with instant cast you cant cancel it sooo i dont think is the best on all the skills and second the difference bettwen instant cast and quick cast is almost none beside cancel option
For me, 1234 fpr abilities os fine but shift for anything cramps me up.
I am confused, that Susanoo can go through Odin cage with his 3. It does not go through walls, so it shouldn go through odin "wall". Am I wrong?
If you're quick enough, his 3 can get out of the cage before the cage is up. Then you're able to teleport out just fine.
Go on 10:50, he is already in fully builded cage, and it still goes through.
If you put the cloud before Odin cages you and far away from it you can telport out of it also Sol can escape Odins cage with her 3 when she is about to change to into the fireball mode you can phase trough the cage just need a good timing
I think if you need instant cast to help you with tyr or puch combo or anything like that then you're bad with a mouse and keyboard and one more thing its easy to use normal cast and fire it faster than quick cast would.
barely anyone cares but on console quick cast is tricky to aim but worth it, opposite of your defult key set we can move easy on console and cramp finger to aim. I've been thinking about changing to insta on console
Nice vid duke
I prefer quick cast. It's faster, and you can choose to aim your abilities.
Janus is a low damage utility mage.
Low damage?
Low damage!
*LOW FUCKING DAMAGE IM TRIGGERED BWAAAAAH*
I use quick cast on escapes and heals
People debate over this?
I personally adjust the skill casting manually
In the current meta reaction time decides who win
I use instant on ra's 1&2 quick on 4 and normal on 3
40% informative 60% random bullshit about frames and fighting games
this Is my setupAo Kuang-Instant... Fenrir QUickquist depends of what god I use
im one of those that changed all my bindings i have my 1 and 2 on mouse buttons my 3 on E and my ult on shift plus im using quick cast thought i still 1-4 to upgrade
though*
i've played this game for 2 years.. and i still only use Normal cast xD there's like one or two abilities in the entire game i have on instant cast
I was so confused.
Anubis: 1/2/4 insta, 3 normal