@@DIVIDIII taking more time off = less skilled? No! I was replying to a previous comment on that matter, you brought up other things to validate your pre-determined opinion. Now, with regards to what you said: "women never come for a raise", you have to ask yourself why. And if you don't want to, there is a video here that will do the job for you. But it is not a matter of being less skilled
@@DIVIDIII ok, you clearly know best. No stat or world wide study can possibly compare/contrast your personal experience. it's all a big lie and you are the enlightened one. good luck and good day
@Lib Randu guys I start questioning your ability to follow a YT video. I nor the video said that currently in America there is someone that actively decides to pay women less cause that is ILLEGAL. the problem is the overall structure and expectations that make women more likely to sacrifice their career regardless of thier skills. And there are lots of studies and papers that prove this,what you say will not change facts
Literally doesn't even mention how they find the pay gap. The find it by taking all women and all men in the work force across all job fields. Not every job is worth the same pay rate.
@@saturated3821 occupations can't be taken in account to show pay gap, it's illegal to pay different wages for the same job based on skin color or gender, if anyone did find credit source for different wages they can sue the company for 100s of millions of dollars and get a private settlement for 50mil.
They don’t mention the fact that the woman gets the kids almost all of the time in a divorce, resulting in far more single mothers even if the mother is unfit to do the job.
They do not mention it, but it is implied. It is another way we can see the difference between "caregivers" and "breadmakers". Is a woman, just for being a women, going to be better at raising a kid than a man ? The goal is to change that idea. Maybe all men around the world should get together and show the world that they can do the same as women. They can take care of their children, of their elderly and of sick people as well as them. That is where we have to move as a society. And I think that is what they want to show us with this video.
@@thegorgeousonefrmLPG collective paternity/maternity paid leave would be a very good start, although it's also true that evolution has had our brains wired differently in regards to upbringing roles, which is a certain kind of "bias" if you will that is challenged here.
C L true, me and my siblings were left with my mother even thought she had mental health issues and also didn’t have a job. But she did a good job anyway, taking care of 5 kids with only $1000 in child support isn’t an easy job, yet she managed.
@@kunalmandhare3144 I was not pushing it on men in any way, I was proposing an idea. Women all around the world have to fight against stereotypes (not wanting to have kids, fighting for their rights, showing their financial independence, etc). However, even thought there are also men doing the same (talking about their feelings and their weaknesses, helping with house chores) I think that they should be more. There are still lots of men resisting to gender equality, and sadly they are not going to listen to women, only to other men. Feminism and arriving to equality (even thought we may have some physical differences) is a war against the beliefs that we all have had for centuries, and I believe that we should all fight them together💪🏽
@@kunalmandhare3144 Also, and I would really like you to be right, but the percentage of women lying about rapes and sexual assault, even though it exists as you say, of course, is also really small. I think that you are focussing on them instead of in the great picture. If that is a small percentage, imagine the number of real cases. Try asking women around you. Have they ever felt scared walking alone in the street? Do they decide not to do certain activities for fear of being assaulted by a man ? Have they ever felt threatened by a man in a sexual way ? You can ask these questions to other men too and compare the answers. Probably, the only thing that all women have in common is that they are going to answer yes. And that makes me so sad... I would love that you were right about that, but in my personal experience, living in different countries and having friends (women and men) from all around the world, everyday I am more sure that the situation is even worst that what statistics show. And that scares me and makes me feel lucky for not having been raped. Yet. Now tell me that that is not disturbing. Or give me some kind of hope, at least. Please.
@@oyedeepak Actually I agree. I think human perpetuation is over rated. But due to religion, a large population will strongly believe in the importance of child bearing and thus stress the "woman's place" concept.
Yeah...these are responsible people who want the best for themselves and their kids. Better to be satisfied and raise your kids when you are stable and street wise enough. Just churning out babies is...well. Let's just say 8 billion is a lot...for no apparent reason.
Well, they mentioned how with motherhood excluded, women made 96% of what men made. I don't know if there's much of a point in talking extensively about the numerous factors that would account for that tiny 4 percent.
That’s because that IS the pay gap. The “pay gap” is just what the average man makes a year vs what the average woman makes a year. Which is a very broad statistic that has been manipulated to fit a feminist agenda. There is no REAL pay gap. A Man and a woman are paid the same, it’s just a statistic that’s been blown out of proportion... for the most part. There most likely are a few cases where a woman is being unfairly paid, but these videos make it out that ALL women are extremely underpaid. Most people have given up explaining this as it seems like common sense but it bothers me people really believe there is a pay gap. Disappointed in Netflix, just shows how manipulative the media is.
@@greatestever8350 But to give them credit, I'm surprised that they actually attributed it to maternity leave, when the Left in general has always and is still constantly claiming it's due to sexism and misogyny.
Cesar Perez you right, I’ll give them that. Still, they tried to talk about third world countries, 1950s and Hillary Clinton talking about decorating an office space...
What is not spoken about In this debate are women who choose not to have children yet may be overlooked for opportunities by employers who assume she one day will. The "motherhood penalty" can play out in advance for childfree women of childbearing age. Also where is the data on earnings for childfree women vs earnings of men?
@@IsaacPrinTheNerd most women of child bearing age are still asked in interviews about their plans on having children and thus further allowing for discrimination
@@dutchGZ This is discrimination if the question is put to one gender only and not the other. A man may choose to be the primary carer of his children and work part time while the female may continue to work outside the home. The assumption that women will become the primary caregiver IF she has children and therefore will work part time is where the gender discrimination comes in. The same assumption is not put on men regarding childrearing.
MaraaMay West lets flip this around. In the army men get yelled at while doing drills. While woman get cheered on their are so many videos about. When people tall about pay gap they only talk about high end paying jobs. What about physical jobs where the woman who does less work then the man gets paid less. Seen it with my own eyes. Also yes they do get asked that the man aswel. Witht he most asked quistion where do you see youreself in 10 years. Woman answer husband kids. Man wife kids have to provide so wanna statt my career now
@8:20 women who are not caregivers: negligible pay difference compared to men (no sign of sex based discrimination) @8:30 a pay gap based on choices is not discriminatory. True, Women are more likely to raise kids as a single parent, but the courts are also heavily biased for women asking for full custody. Demanding full custody is a choice. If you want to fight real systemic sexual discrimination, that’s your target. Then move on to lengthier prison sentences for men than women for the same crime. Conclusion: there is no pay gap, there’s a raising kids penalty. I’m sure you’d see the same thing for men who are single parents who end up earning less. Again, no sex based discrimination going on. Most married women I know married men who are older than they are, further along in their career, likely making more money than they were. So when couples are making the choice between who spends more time with the kids, the men’s responsibilities shift to make us more money, women’s shift to spend time with kids. This is a choice each couple makes for themselves, let’s not get the government involved in who has to pick up the kids from practice.
Okay... but this puts career women and men who want to take equal part in caregiving at a disadvantage because statistical discrimination is involved. Employers on average view men as breadwinners, just as the government views women as the primary caregiver. This prolongs the status quo that women are better caregivers than men, when it may not be true on an individual basis. If we change policies to incentivize men to take paternity leave, it will definitely have a significant effect on their decision making. Consequently, as social norms change about who's the breadwinner and who's the caregiver, we most definitely will see policy shifts in custody laws too.
@@milenayashkina8641 its a cycle. How can laws change without people changing their decisions of who should care about children? How can they decide who should care about children if laws didnt change? So, point is so called patriarchy shouldnt be blamed for this.
a couple cents is actually not negligible. over a 40 year career, that could amount to 80,000 dollars in income, and that's not accounting for investment opportunities. it will also affect pensions.
"... there are 3x as many single moms as single dads... " Actually that too is a choice, most fathers dont get custody after a divorce even though many would like to. There are also many ways to avoid such a situation in the first place.
That is not the woman’s fault. It’s a social norm for women to be more nurturing and better parents than their male counterparts. It shouldn’t be but that’s because of stereotypes forced into men and women. That is not the fault of the woman. That is the courts fault. It also shouldn’t be a cultural norm but it is. I’m a woman who was raised by a single dad after my mom died and I was raised great so I don’t believe that but that’s toxic masculinity. I do think we still need equal pay for single moms. When men complain about not being able to come forward about sa, it’s not the women who tell them they should have enjoyed it, it’s the men. It is men who are oppressing other men through toxic masculinity, but it is not women who oppress other women, it’s men who oppress them as well. Equality is better for all people, not just women.
@@amaltaher2717 I agree, it's also not the man's fault, I come from a country where the woman can offer some of the parental leave. Me and my wife discussed it and it came down to her having a year the first time and 9 months the second time. I would argue we have different parental skills but this COVID issue has helped me learn things I couldn't with only 2 weeks leave and I'd still have loved the opportunity to look after my babies more rather than go to work. It's a massive society issue I don't agree white men have inherent privilege, I think we all have obstacles and expectations placed upon us I do believe we should strive for equality.
Steven Hardwick I don’t think that men don’t have hard lives or obstacles. I’m a woman and a mans life could be 10 times harder than mine, but I do agree that his gender isn’t one of the things making it hard and for women, it is one of the things that makes their lives harder. Im not proposing bringing down men so that their lives are just as hard, which is what some people think feminism is, im proposing that we bring women up so that their lives aren’t made harder solely because of their gender. I don’t know how to convince you if you don’t believe in male privilege because you aren’t a woman so you’ll never truly understand. Just think of things you may have gotten away with before or been given, and just think if those things would have been the same if you were a woman. Also, you mentioned living in a country where a woman can do that. Not all countries are the same so it may not be as big as a problem or you may not have seen male privilege in your country, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have inherent privilege in other places. Also, something to consider is how women can be 50% of the population and only have a fraction of leadership positions. Some may argue that men make better leaders, but I disagree, I don’t think anything about your gender can make you better or worse in a leadership position, unless of course it’s a company that markets to a certain gender. This is also disproven by the fact that the countries who have best handled this pandemic all have female leaders and the countries who have mishandled it the most, such as Brazil, India, and the United States, all have male leaders. Hope that helps!
@@amaltaher2717 I agree fundamentally, I'm not a woman I don't know but I also think that's a bit of a blanket statement, your not your dad your not me, everyone from their perspective have these issues of someone else is getting better than I do and I think we all find we get preferential treatment in some cases. I mean think as a woman how escaping things or swaying something your direction down to your period or the ensuing mood swings and if you haven't, good on you, I know women do. I can't say as a collective or its a majority I just go back to I'm not a woman, I don't have those apparatus I don't know. But I have seen it used as a tool the same as being a man is beneficial in some cases but I shouldn't feel sorry or wrongfully privileged I'm as unfortunately fortunate as everyone else. I think I struggle in today's society and I think there are a few white men who also struggle. I think it's historical that men have succeeded and it's just continued but with a black American president and women as entrepreneurs and earning well from that I think it's more, as a guy said on the privilege change my mind, people need to look at respecting them selves and pushing on and bettering themselves. I think you'll find Jeff bezzos was a woman, is if he was a black woman who started an online store selling books that then moved into other markets I don't think anyone would have stopped her or even if it was a person who was non binary, it's where that person was and what fortune found for them. It just so happens Jeff bezzos is a white male so it inforced this idea that it's white men pushing everyone under but it's just not true I think historically white men have white male babies they give their fortunes to who go on to succeed and in some cases they don't. That's not sociological that's biological. I'm not saying men make better leaders, I'm not saying anyone needs supressing, I'm saying stop looking for blame and "get good" / try harder make better decisions and at the end of the day it's all down to luck and timing.
I have no children and elect not to. But I've no problem with my taxes going to maternity leave, and other things I won't need but someone else will. This is the price of civilization.
I'm kind of the opposite: why should I care about the future of my civilization if I won't have any kids? I have no problem paying as little taxes as I can get away with.
@@MK_ULTRA420 bacause someone did it for you. You live in a civilization ergo, everything you acess has been paid by previous generations. If you dont want to live in a society, you can relocate to a remote island and , for instance, loose internet acess and every comodity, since it has been paid by someone else.
I think if women were really paid less for the same job, then companies would not hire men. If I interview 3 people and one person is willing to do the same work for less money, then I would hire that person.
Bro have you not seen the video?? Women are expected to be caregivers and dedicate less time to their jobs so ofc people will pick men over women, because they expect them to be more focused on their job compared to women. And wdym "if women were really paid less..." they are, that's not even debatable, once again I ask you, have you even payed attention to the video??
Exactly so if I hire a man he will work more and will be paid proportionally more. There’s no pay gap. Women are paid less because of their career choices.
@@PawelRaszewski have you not payed attention to the video at all? 🤦🏻♀️ the points is that happens due to sexist beliefs that women always should be the ones taking care of the kids. So maybe the ones who are hiring aren't to blame because that's how it is, but we definitely have to change the mentality that taking care of the kids is mainly a woman's job and that's what should be expected from her
@@andreabaeza923 they did this experiment in Scandinavia. When women have free choice they tend to pick less paid jobs or take care of kids. 🤷♂️ Don’t blame others for your decisions. Work in a coal mine or on an oil rig, those jobs pay well.
@@PawelRaszewski yes I perfectly know that jobs have different salaries 😂😂😂. But we're talking about being paid less while doing the same exact work. Obviously if they work in a job where it requires less work they're going to paid less but that's not what we're talking about... this is what happens when you only listen to argue and not to understand 🤦🏻♀️
I think they already regret maternity leave. I've seen women getting harassed by the employers for getting pregnant, which is also the excuse to pay less with blue collar jobs "oh yeah, but you will get pregnant" like if all women were bitches.
my ap gov teacher went on paternity leave! I think its common in nyc (where im from). His wife worked closely for Pelosi and i really admired how much respect he had for his wife and her career. He talked about it in class and helped us understand and normalize it
One way to make sure you're getting paid well is to discuss your income with your colleagues. That way, there will be clarity among co-workers & your employer can't take benefit of you.
While think this is a great idea in theory, for some people this is illegal. It is a condition of my contract that I can't discuss my pay with my colleagues and I could be fired if I do. Not sure where you are from but in my experience in Australia, people don't want to talk about salary, they think it's bad taste to do so. So I legally can't talk to my colleagues about our salaries, and my friends don't want to talk about theirs. I never know where I stand. It's very frustrating!
@@NesBambi not speaking to your colleagues is also a benefit to those who are better negotiators for salary. Who wants to spill the beans that they successfully negotiated a wage increase when it will negatively impact that same person in the next negotiation. After all the boss will hardly be thrilled and there goes your good will. The boss may be willing to raise one person's salary if he plays hardball to shut him up. Less likely to raise that person's salary if it means raising everyone's.
@@NesBambi In the US it's a legally-protected right to be able to discuss salary in the workplace. It's explicitly meant to deter pay discrimination. Unfortunately, businesses have cultivated that social stigma against sharing one's salary because it could make someone feel bad for being paid less when, in reality, the lower-paid person would just ask for a raise (assuming they do equal work)
One of the best protections for securing a higher salary is having multiple people wanting your employment. Options ... in other words. You are not in a good negotiating position if you can not say no.
I took a course in college titled "Gender & Economics" that was very enlightening and touched on many of these points. Some other important factors noted was that men (weather innate or learned) tend to be more aggressive in negotiations. So if a man and woman are offered the same starting salary, the man is more likely to counteroffer and negotiate a higher amount. Even if they both got 3% raises per year, the gap would still increase. If you don't believe that some of these factors are at play, look at the pay difference between unskilled and skilled labor. Where education, skills, knowledge, and behaviors are not criteria for success, the gap will be smaller (if at all) for equal work.
Agree with this but you should also consider that the man being aggressive like this tends to be more acceptated than if a woman did it so that could be an factor as well, which is the reason that female professor can have a hard time getting money for something they want to make a study on
I am 75% sure that the course is a goddamn scam. The gender pay gap doesn't exist AT ALL. It's just a feminism hoax to blame men for women's own issues.
Mette Lindegård Nielsen not true there aren’t form of “aggressive performance work” that woman get less importance than men, too many variables don’t do the feminist please.
@@destroyer-tz2mk its impossible for something not to exist and at the same time to be a result of something. Something either exists and is a result of something, or it doesnt exist and isnt the result of anything.
Women have you ever worked at a job where a man works the same hours as you, in the same position, with the same seniority, brings in the same amount of money to the company but the boss decides to pay him 22% more than you? If so, why wouldn’t he fire that guy, hire a woman, pay her 22% less and get the exact same results?
I'm gonna humour you, and let's say if they did do that, it would lead to more women in the workforce or in that particular demographic, which (assuming the employer is sexist) is a big no for them. On top of that, more women in specific jobs means that there will be a higher chance of positions of power being taken up by women due to more women in that job. Since the gender pay gap applies to most jobs, we can assume that if your logic was applied to most jobs, society would become a matriarch. This is contradictory since the patriarch is all about keeping men in power and women not in power, therefore your point is invalid.
@@leonwu2775u are absolutely delusional. Most employers only care about money. The idea that most employers dont want women in powerful positions is dated.
@@leonwu2775But money talks and $h1t walks. People care about money infinity more than which sex their employees are. Assuming someone is sexist is just as presumptuous as assuming that women want money as the first priority important thing in their life/career, instead of flexible hours more vacation, less stressful work environment.
I work in a higher position (but not manager) than my male colleague, started before him, and had had more experience in general before we started in the company. I do more complex work than him and have more responsibility, but we work the same hours. I learned at a company party that he earns more than me (there isn't much openness about salary so just learned recently). It's not as much as 22 % more than me, but given everything, I do feel like I am not valued the same. My contributions are higher to the company, looked at it objectively, so I should be making more in that sense. I partly take responsibility for the gap, as I find it hard to negotiate. Though I have tried every single year to negotiate my salary. It's hard when you don't know the standard wage you "should" be paid, you might end up underselling yourself. Men, I experience, are a lot better at valuing themselves higher, and yes sometimes higher than what they actually contribute. But it works out for them, so why shouldn't they! So I think we have a job to do, to get women to value their work higher, so they also can get higher salaries and raises. Especially in fields where you can't compare your role to a "standard" salary.. higher that "inherent" value for one owns work as a woman, we gotta work on it!!
That woman working more with children reminded me of a lady I once met. She did more engineering work than all of her male co-workers in less time, so she went to her boss and demanded to be paid the same as those men for less hours. She got it.
Logically, then, she's still getting getting paid less for the same work. Sure she's getting paid the same, but as you said, she did more work than all her male employees. She should be paid MORE than them based on a percentage of increased work output.
On the contrary this is what I see happening. Men (spouse/colleague) they get to have extra time to update their skills keep up to date but mom's are still primary caregiver and upkeep of the home. As mundane as it sounds everyday chores which still counts for effort and time is still being catered by women. Working man gets home cooked food served when he returns home but for mum her second job starts when she returns home. As soon as I leave work the first thing that comes to my mind is what to cook tonight but that doesn't cross my man's mind. Any change starts at home, hope my son could be one step ahead of his dad.
I think a key point was made, but glossed over at the beginning...most women, especially white women didn't work outside the home at all - This can't be said for black women who were forced into labor.
@@prakash5795 What people file on their taxes is not indicative of their roles as mothers or fathers. African American Men, are more involved in raising their children than any other men in other ethnic groups in the United States (The CDC).
@@fantasticcarlie252 Well, I distinguish forced labor from work, so the 1700s and the 1950s entail two different experiences for black women. I've met 4 generations of women in my family, and they know of at least 2 generations prior to...and they've all worked; this is true for most diasporic Africans. Being a stay at home mother is neither good nor bad, but a highly nuanced position when you consider race and class.
That's not true. Most woman work outside the house. This documentary is not only about USA where it's customary for woman to be a stay at home mom. In the rest of the world, most woman, every color, have to work to provide
You never mentioned that men take more risks asking for more money earlier than women. Also just the fact that men want jobs that pay more than the jobs women want.
@@Dimitris_Half these directly influence the amount of money people make at any given time. If people are asking for more and ask more often they are more likely to get it than thoes who don't. That's why it's relevant. Also if more men to go for jobs that pay more this can also influence the pay gap as men will disproportionately get paid more. For instance 97.76% of nursery nurses and assistants are female ($29250) while 99.19% of vehicle technicians, mechanics, and electricians ($63000) are male.
@@subrisubrika5652 agrred, but did you also know that women are less likely to be hired if they negotiate for the salary? yeah. we cant win either ways.
@Riley Frost There are very few CEOs in the world unless you call the owner of a tiny self-owned limited company a CEO, then I am one too. The fact is, Men are EXPECTED to be the bread winners, they are EXPECTED to risk their lives more, and they are EXPECTED to be dispensable. The person who goes up to the arctic for mining oil or minerals in freezing temperatures easily earns 6 figures and is always a man. The people who go to the treacherous arctic seas to fish for lobsters and king crabs are almost always going to be men. Men are much more likely to fly away from home on pursuit of business ventures and meetings. Men are much MUCH more likely to be killed on the job. Men work more hours. Men work more years.
@@TMP_19 Nope you are just naive, if I can pay women employee only a portion of what I should pay men then I would happily employ all the women in my company and save a lot of money. All those figure about are very misinforming that women are being paid less. What they are doing is averaging all mens and women salaries and stipends which is very stupid from any statistician views.
@@prashantsolanki007 You clearly need to educate your self more on history of oppression and how it affects in the long term. I would suggest read more about racial pay gap and you would get a good sense on how injustice works and please stop giving surface-level arguments.
@@TMP_19 idc about fictional shit, and here we were talking about women of present and not the past. There may be 100 discrimination that are happening to women but I really doubt this gender pay gap. I have hired dozen men and women and have never cared about paying different to men and women. Do you know why? Because your salary is decided by the market and not by me. Most of the companies will have a fixed limit on how much they will pay to empolyee and many times it is already given to interview that we will pay you X amount. No one cares a men or a women. I don't think you have ever worked in a corporate environment. If I will hire someone I want them to do the work , it doesn't matter who they are and what they are, if you can do the task under me you are hired and will be paid by market standard and not based on your gender. Just go and find if two people with same jobs and same level of competency are paid very different or not. It would be hilarious as a recruiter to pay more if you can hire someone for lesser. And regarding having baby and stop working then it is personal matter of women and her husband. It's upto them how they will manage, companies doesn't care about random factors. They only care for task completion so that they can earn profit. Period.
I don't think businesses should be directly responsible for paying their staff's parental leave. The businesses should be taxed, and the taxes should pay for parental leave. Making them directly responsible puts the financial burden on smaller businesses, on businesses which create more jobs, on businesses which employ more women, and on businesses which welcome prospective parents. All of which would be counterproductive.
Sorry for my ignorance but does your employment insurance not pay for parental leave? In Canada our EI which means a small part of our cheque goes to employment insurance covers you if you lose your job or maternity leave, sickness leave etc.
Agree, parental leave is something beneficial for whole society. Everyone should be okay paying taxes for that the same way we are okay to pay for infrastructure, removing specificality from individual employees and employers
Thats one i was asking my self. Like in Iceland who pays for the parental leave , govermemt or bussiness. But again ICELAND has high taxes so they can do it
The biggest problem is that these studies never take into account the amount of hours worked or the professions. They compare female teachers to men who work in oil fields. Of course someone who works 50hrs a week I’m a oil field will make more than a teacher who works 9months of the year at 40hrs.
Not a single man interviewed, why? The fact that the pay gap is mostly due to different choices of work and worktime, rather than becoming a mother, is not mentioned at all, very weak in a documentary about exactly that issue. One women at the end said it very well. "As long as we make it a womens problem we are reinforcing stereotypes". For every womens issue in progressive countries in todays world, there is a antagonist mens issue. A women loses her husbad in war - A man died to protect his country/family. A women stays home to raise the children - A man has the pressure to provide for them. Most caregivers are women and are underpayed - Most labourers are men and are underpayed There are way more single moms than single dads - A man has a much harder time to get custody for the child A women has the burden to decide for or against abortion - A man can not decide if his child is gonna be born A women is more likely to be seen as weak - A man can not show weakness The list goes on almost infinite, and most of it is NOT just due to the structure of our society but because of the biological and psychological differences and the symbiose between men and women that created the structure of our society. We are a TEAM and we are supposed to complement each other, if we now try to tackle these differences unilaterally with the goal of equal outcomes, we bring the relationship between men and women and thus the structure of our society out of balance and only create new issues, like for example the demonisation of typical male character traits and sexual desires, a raise in psychological issues in both men and women, gender issues, MORE single parents, MORE divorces and many many more. Start seeing both sides of the coin and you will be much more content with your life, your choices and your duties as a man or a women, whatever you believe they may be.
@@nyxredfern5042 And that is exactly the problem and it makes the documentary biased. When making a unbiased documentary the goal is not to make the points so they can't be dismissed, but to present facts. When i focus on the first thing it is propaganda by definition. Don't get me wrong, propaganda isn't always a bad thing, you could even argue that propaganda for equality is a good thing. BUT, i have to ask the question: Why does Netflix release a biased documentary about exactly that topic? Most women interviewed had very rational perspectives and argued very reasonable, only the commentator, who happened to also be female, intervened with very biased comments that did not fit at all to what the women were saying. This documentary is clearly directed to vulnerable women, and it's objective is to make those women feel less, feel opressed and it pressures the women who fall for it to be discontent with their situation in life, all under the context of gender inequality. In reality, documentaries like this lead to the exact opposite of what they pretend to want to archieve, they divide our society under the umbrella of identity politics. It is really sad for both manhood and womanhood. I apologize if what i am writing is difficult to follow, but i am not a native english speaker and im tiping this on my smartphone.
when talking about patriarchy, understand we are talking about a system. So in this system that puts women in the child rearing role, fathers are put in the provision role and this has consequences for both groups. The woman might be better at providing, not want kids, or have more passion for her career, the man may be a better caregiver, not earn as much and hate his job. But society pushes both to focus on one rather than what they want to do
@@ad2094 Why start with the presupposition that we are living in a patriarchy? At least in western societies we do not. And yes, some women are better at providing than some men, and some men might be better caregivers than some women, but on average it's the opposite, and that's not mainly due to society, but due to inherent differences, on average, between the genders. If your argument would be right, the most egalitarian countries would have more equal role distributions than less egalitarian countries, which is not the case. I dont want to be insulting, i know it is a very sensitive topic. And i know there is a lot of injustice in this world and a lot of it is against women. But that does not mean that every claim that is made for that case is right and justified.
@@1bullneck1 we do live in a partiachy. And we don't have egalitarian societies, we just have some that are more equal than others and by definition that means the role distribution in those countries is more equal. It's very easy to use the argument of things that are "inherent" to genders until you look back in time and get outside of your culture to observe societies where women do things that are thought to be inherent to men and vice versa, or look back in your culture's history and learn what people thought women could not do biologically. Biological arguments have been used invariably to exclude women from ownership, trade, autonomy, education, leadership, etc. Over time with rebellion and fights and tiresome debates, we realize women can be involved in these things as competently or as incompetently as men.
I've been intensely interested in the gender pay gap for the past few years now, and decided to do my own research in order to come to my own conclusions. This involved a lot of reading and talking to people more knowledgeable on the issue than I was. My first conversation was with a family friend, she's the HR-director of a major museum. She explained the gender pay gap this way: whenever there's some new position to be filled, she's usually the one that conducts all the interviews. When interviewing for managerial positions, each candidate, male or female, always gets asked if they're okay with business travel, if they're okay putting in overtime, how well they work in high-stress environments, etc. And every single time, all the male candidates answer with an enthusiastic "yes, no problem!", while all the female candidates answer with "no, I'm afraid not". What's she supposed to do? She'd love to hire more female managers, but they always come off as inflexible in their job interviews. She's a divorced single mom herself, so she's well aware WHY women don't want to work overtime or go on business trips, however that's the nature of managerial positions. As a manager you don't get to go home at 5pm and you are sometimes required to take week-long business trips. As a consequence, most managers at her organization are men, despite her best efforts to hire more women. As to the gender gap, she insists that it doesn't exist. First of all it's extremely bad PR for a company to pay women less than men for the same work, and secondly, what's the added value for the company? The company doesn't gain anything by paying a woman a few hundred dollars less for the same job, and the cost is so insignificant that it's not even worth the bad publicity or potential lawsuit. Furthermore, if women were paid less for the same work, companies would simply only hire female employees. Businesses exist to make money, so if there's a group of similarly qualified candidates that come with a cheaper price tag, then businesses will exploit this market in order to save personnel costs. I thought all of this was eye-opening, until I had a chat with one of my best friend's mom. He comes from a VERY religious family and has 10 siblings. His mother was a stay-at-home mom while his father was a lawyer. After trying for almost an hour to get me to join her church, she then shared with me her opinion on the gender pay gap and society at large. According to her, society fell apart because women left their sacred duty in the home when they selfishly decided to pursue careers. My mouth dropped to the floor! I thought that line of thinking died out years ago along with the dinosaurs! She saw the look of shock on my face, but continued. The problem with your liberals, she said, is that you devalue the work of women in the home by classifying it as menial labor - nothing could be further from the truth. The job of the housewife is THE most fundamental and valuable job in the history of mankind. It is we women that bear and nourish the children, we then raise them and instill in them the values and tools they'll need to function as adults. This requires a long list of special skills that housewives have traditionally exercised but seldom given credit for, e.g. leadership and managerial ability, fiscal management, time management, judge/jury/executioner, purchasing manager, etc. In a nutshell, she took her job as housewife VERY seriously and was proud of the fact that all her 11 children were decent, well-adjusted adults with their own successful careers and families. Her husband's job was to work and bring home a paycheck. Her job was to turn that paycheck into a home and family. When women left the home to start a career, children either had to raise themselves or find someone on the streets to act as parent. This resulted in developmentally and socially stunted kids, lacking direction and purpose. These kids then take out their anger on society, which is how we end up with delinquent and criminal young adults. I was speechless, especially since I was a product of a single-mom. I remember how hard she had to struggle, but I still think I turned out okay. Would it have been better growing up with a mother at home and a father at work? Maybe, but it makes no sense crying over spilled milk. Anyway, my friend's mom had no problem with the gender pay gap. And if she had her way, there would be a 100% gender pay gap, with women staying home to take care of the kids while men go to work. Funny enough though, every single poll on this issue shows the same result: when asked if given the choice, would women prefer to be stay at home moms or have a career, women overwhelmingly say they would prefer to be stay at home moms. The most shocking results were from gender-equal Scandinavia, where the vast majority of women said they would prefer to be stay at home moms. I've come to the conclusion that the gender pay gap will NEVER close, because it's based on biology and not society. As long as women continue to bear children, it will be possible for them to reach pay parity with men. What's needed is a new compensation paradigm that recognizes that the role of the woman in the household is just as valuable, or perhaps even more valuable, than the role of a multinational CEO.
You mean, "as long as women continue to bear children, and we don't treat it as a job that should be paid, the gender pay gap will never end." Your ultra-conservative friend is absolutely right that most societies treat a tiring, difficult, and very time-consuming job (parenting) as something that should be done (usually by women) for free. If people got paid a salary, a pension, health care, and formal recognition for parenting, maybe young people would again start having children in numbers large enough to replace the population.
Do you think the choices and hours have anything to do with gender roles? Should we have a society where women are pressured into being the child-caretakers and the men are pressured into being the bread-winners? And should we pressure women into lower-paying jobs and men into higher-paying ones? And should caring for children be unpaid?
Disappointed that the video didn’t mention differential career choices by men and women. In my country, even though college applications are completely gender-blind, men represent about 70% of all engineering degrees (which are known to pay more), while women represent about 95% of education and psychology degrees (which are known to pay less).
That’s not the point though. The point is comparing the income of women and men in the same or similar careers, and why there might be differences, and making an average of those incomes disparities for different positions. Of course if you’re a secretary or an engineer you’re going to be paid differently, but that has nothing to do with gender, a man working a McDonald’s is going to make less than a male doctor.
@@xx___x "That’s not the point though. The point is comparing the income of women and men".............the "gender pay gap" is NOT comparing the gap of genders doing the same job. It is the GAP between all jobs women do vs the jobs men do. It also does not account for men, on average working LONGER hours.
Just a friendly reminder: giving an explanation about why such things exist, doesn't make it okay. It just means that we're aware society considers women as baby makers before accounting them as a valuable asset to the economy or the society. And with that knowledge in mind, the people in power just decided to turn a blind eye on the matter. Because if you can't see it, why correct a wrong that doesn't exist?
Are women on average less valuable then men to the economy - yes, voluntarily they just don't want to sacrifice as much (i'm talking about statistics and average numbers). One is sure, they are equally important for the society. Your value is not just based on how much you earn, taking care of other people counts for something, you know
I wonder if the family decides to let the father be a primary caregiver, his wage gap will be the same as the caregiving mother. If not, then it is a more serious problem on discrimination about women; if so, then this is a societal problem for penalizing couples for having children.
Are you stupid or something? It's statistics how can you not understand that. and motherhood is a choice so if you don't want that you don't have to then you earn as much as men.
Youcef Safer don’t you think it will be interesting to see if the choice of fatherhood cost the same as motherhood? And I really think to see if the society has certain bias towards the care giver for a family that is having children is very important. This is about the production and reproduction situation of modern human society.
Its biologically impossible to leave full responsibility to the father.. The connection between a mother and an infant is irreplaceable. Additionally if the baby is breastfed then I dont think that a man has the appropriate equipment to breastfeed it
@@mariananou4073 some wil cling to exceptions, but it'll never be a rule, I agree with you, the connection between the mother and child is innate, the mom is the only one who can give a child breast milk, and formula fed children are short changed for not having their mothers natural milk, their more likely to get diabetes, more likely to have a weaker immune system, and probably less intelligent as well, women who go out and work while their child's at home just end up feeling guilty and trying to reconcile working while feeling this way it is a backwards world that tries to reinvent roles for its members, I hope we recognize the need for mothers to be mothers....
These are not the only two factors that explain the wage gap, men and women behave differently. Men makeup 96% of workplace fatalities and do more dangerous and labor intensive jobs compared to women, men also make-up majority of the patent earners. Only 4% of patents have women only inventors. How about we compare women only workplaces compared to male only workplaces and consider the work output of both and see if how much of the difference is just due to men outperforming women. Despite all the subsidies into women only programs, all the women groups and all the "positive discrimination" from early childhood, to gynocentric schools and colleges to the job-market we are still unable to manufacture parity between men and women.
Oh wow what a solution . . okay lets do it . . . but wait wont there be less money all around to spend . . well that means less tax revenue and profits overall . . which kinda kills the economy . . . uh oh . . that means (and this is the best part!) that those same businesses will close and be sold off to bigger corporations who can impose harsher working regulations on people and destroy more freedom of choice. Yaay Absolutely brilliant! Please please try to use your brain before you speak FFS.
I'm quite impressed by the nuance and attention to data this documentary includes. This really is a family issue, not only a "woman pay gap" issue. As a man, I hope that I could someday have the opportunity to take care of my child -and I think many men share a similar sentiment that they don't want to be seen as just "a wallet" and want to have our partners earn the most possible and have the most opportunity when they chose to work.
Yeah, it would be great if you could breastfeed. But you can't. What people don't get is that a bond between a mother and a child firms in the whoom phase and is then extended with breastfeeding. the bond goes both ways, therefore many mothers prefer to stay with the kid, even though it's exhausting, but is also very rewarding.
@@T0mek87 There is no scientific evidence, that breastfeeding needs to happen when it comes to bonding. It is the basic feeding process- you can also feed your child with a bottle. So fathers can bond just like mothers. It is a question of choice. In Germany we have a year maternitiy leave and parents can split that. I know a few people who split it: The mother went on leave the first 6 months and after that the father would be on leave for the rest of the year.
@Bia L True!! I just wanted to debunk people who claim that the weight is rightfully womens', because of breastfeeding and bonding. Like don't blaim sexist structures on "biology". As I said: it is a choice to bond with your child (some people dont have the privilege to choose, I see you!).
@@trillianweatherwax4181 bteastfeeding is dirtly related to sex. So is Mother-Child bond, as they are hormonally linked since conception. The fact that you cant cmell it does not mean that its not there. woman deciding to stay with kids is way more bilogical than sociological, while both are a factor. That is way more woman prefer to take the time off to care for the baby, even if they have a choice. They want to do whats best for the baby and not what is best for netflix or to anybody else for that matter
Well, yes... and also no. Because of societal norms perpetuated by decades of patriarchy, women are seen as the “nurturers and caregivers” who must sacrifice their careers to care for their children. Children wouldn’t be an issue if not for these notions. As it stands, unfortunately, women do happen to make less money as a result of this. We need to eradicate these views in order for men and women at large to take on balanced roles as both care providers and breadwinners 👍
@@andpeggy9626 agreed but at least they have a choice. And physiologically woman are more empathetic (generally) then men which is why they make better carers such as nurses, and teachers. Which are all important jobs
Finlay Thomas they do have a choice, but societal pressures and the absence of paternity leave skew that choice. I also agree that there are fundamental differences between men and women, (for example, men are generally stronger) but quite honestly I don’t think men having a a tenuously agreed upon lower standard of empathy is excuse to foist the brunt of the childcare on women, and doing so is probably a bit demeaning to men honestly lol, but yeah I agree there is a probably a correlation between women and choosing jobs related to care, but also, that may partly just be the Placebo Effect- a product of society asserting that women belong in those roles... Sorry for writing a novel! Haha
@@andpeggy9626 Feminism: The freedom to work in an office for most of your life so you can fight the patriarchy by paying someone else to raise your children. Men will never have the choice to have children. Why must society be gender balanced across everything? That is not a rhetorical question.
@@andpeggy9626 Let couples have the Freedom to make those decisions. You can have that discussion with your husband now. No need to make a law forcing people what they should do.
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they define the difference as if the money earned by the man was left to himself. at no point does it mention that all the money that the man earns at work is destined for the family
I imagine a married man with kids is going to work as much as he can. Especially if his wife has decided not to work or work part time after having kids. This video talks about the choices women have, but how many men get a choice to go part time after his child is born? Or stop working and providing?
@@anneb889 when talking about patriarchy, understand we are talking about a system. So in this system that puts women in the child rearing role, fathers are put in the provision role and this has consequences for both groups. The woman might be better at providing, not want kids, or have more passion for her career, the man may be a better caregiver, not earn as much and hate his job. But society pushes both to focus on one rather than what they want to do
i would love to see a video on that as well. also it’s interesting to mention that for theyve done a few studies that for the most part women don’t like being with men that make less than them.
They said it’s okay as long as you have a choice but then say the answer is to force men to take paternity leave? You should be allowed to choose and reward those who are more focused on their work life men and women alike.
Its not forced. If you listen it its encouraged so men are offered the paternity leave and they take it or they dont. It was frased in a way that it was hard to understand.
We have a system very similar to Iceland, and when I was born my dad took more maternity leave than my mom, as she had a higher paying job than my dad, who’s was studying and had a part time job... I didn’t realize how atypical that is, but this video really puts it in perspective...
Maybe during an 8-hour childbirth, the man should take over and push the baby out for 4 hours so the woman can get up and go to work. Then the man can stay home on maternity leave to produce breastmilk.
I would have loved to see the 2018 Danish study also measure the effect on men's pay who take parental leave or reduced responsibilities at work after having a child. Instead, it measured only the effect on each gender group as a whole, so we're left not knowing whether the pay gap for motherhood is actually a pay gap for parenthood, affecting either parent who takes extended leave, reduces professional responsibilities, or drops out of the workforce altogether after having a child.
@@ezra5514 that would be both parents having a baby actually goofball that’s y’all’s problem y’all look at a birth of a child as a woman’s doing as opposed to TWO the man and woman having a baby it takes two to make one so start taking accountability
Unpopular opinion gender pay gap is misleading. Because women get payed less averagely does not mean for the same job. Different careers. More female breaks and men working more hours is the culprit. We need to empower women in the education system so they can reach higher in life and Men need to be responsible equally for hours work if both are full time workers.
Bill Clinton didn't give Hillary her law degree, she earned it. Unlike Bill who was impeached for perjury & had his licence to practice law suspended, Hillary's career has been largely blemish free. Like it or not, between 1993 and 2017, Hillary Clinton was voted most admired woman 22 times ! So YOU might not think she's self-made or an icon, but America DEFINITELY does.
exactly. If someone else would be in this video I could send this to a few of my friends, but with Hillary... they would just not listen, and I would understand them
@@milenad.k.2238 Lol she is very farm from self-mad, getting a degree and practicing a law makes and getting most admired women doesn't make you a self made politician that she was in past 2 decades. And lets not talk about the amount people(including women and children) that had to die because of here.
One point to make: equalize the number of men and women in high risk jobs (which pay more because of the risk), and then take some stats. Does anyone else think that might close this gap?
Another point: My wife and I are expecting in March! I'm very excited to work with her to raise our child. My wife works feeding dairy cows, and I work on a farm. She is already struggling with her work in only the first trimester of pregnancy. I have taken on more responsibilities around the home that she shouldn't do, for the health of her and our growing child. I will have to work more hours to maintain the same level of income we have right now. Where is the equality in that? Please understand that I'm not upset with my wife in any way because of this. We made this decision together and knew what it would entail. My wife is ecstatic and so am I! We don't think our views, or experience, are represented in this documentary because they don't fit the narrative. That narrative being that a difference in median pay, between the two sexes, is claimed to be based upon the fact that they're different and that's it. There is nothing negative about being a woman, or about being a man, that isn't derived from some sort of prejudice. My wife is an amazing and powerful person, and her singing is beautiful. That's not the only reason I cherish her of course, but it's one simple example. I don't look at her as just a woman, but as an awesome human being. She and I agreed to make the decision to have children, knowing full well what comes with that. Life on this Earth is a team effort, whether it is between men and women, between races, or what have you. We should start acting like it, instead of fighting against each other because of generalized surface characteristics. Treat each other like human beings, and find solutions in disagreements.
They want equal outcome you know doctor being paid the same as a gender studies bum or computer science major being paid the same as person with a degree in fashion or political science
Women don't want them. Coal mining is 98% male. Ditch-digging is 98% male. Boiler making, roof tiling, open sea fishing.... all men, all dangerous. Women are predisposed to safer, more fulfilling jobs. Which is why 92% of workplace deaths are men.
amaizing :) just wait this madness is just begining and that gender gap will never be close just impossible i don't know any woman willing to work 80 hour + sacrifice social live or opportunity to have family and spend time with it .
So who is home with the kids in Rawanda? The few men left? Grandparents? Daycare centers? It praised the equality of women there, but this video was primarily about mothers, not just being women. It didn’t really clarify how working mothers are juggling it all in Rwanda, did it?
@@MrCAHRLIE22 It is very interesting, do you mean nature fixed itself, as in, more male children were born to make up for the lack of males in the country. Is that even possible?
The nuclear family structure is weak to begin with. You didn't really see it popularized till the industrial revolution and people moving in nuclear units to cities. In most non-european parts of the world, child rearing is the work of the extended family and a community of family friends.
This video showed that men and women start the job with "almost" the same payment, and after having kids the payment gap starts between the two because women are assumed (by society and employers) to be the caregiver. 8:82 this is the issue, we wanted this video to talk about the gap between men and women without having any children, why women are being paid with 96% of every dollar for men, this is the main question and this documentary did not answer it
Women on average are not interested in the sacrifice needed to be at the top of a corporation. Eventually they decide working less than the top performers, who are nearly exclusively men, is preferable to 16 hour work days and shrewd corporate politics. The pay gap exists because of the choices made by men and women based on their interests.
This is why I am not having children. Not only have I never had the desire to, but it holds you back in every aspect of your life. You aren't you anymore, youre a mother. Plus Im Latina, I'm already paid less compared to white women.
This is probably the stupidest argument I have seen in my life. Not having the desire to have kids is one thing but to think that a child will “hold you back” and that you aren’t you is just absolutely egoistic and it says a lot about how much ambition you have in order to chase and achieve your goals. There are so many empowering women who are both mothers and achieved what they wanted in life and they are still THEMSELVES. I won’t even comment on the fact that you use the fact that you are Latina as an excuse in some way...
@@aneliyashtereva4730 your comment is also stupid because you are assuming its a one size fits all, just cuz you know women that can do it doesn't mean every woman can, some young women especially those of color, not only have to support themselves but their families also, based on her unique circumstance, if she feels having a child holds her back, who are you to judge?
Decipher Euphony Notations lol this is definitely not what I meant with my comment :D first of all being of color is not a reason to be backed down this is like saying if you are a person of color you can do this but you can’t do that based on your unique circumstances. Everybody is living their life with their own unique circumstances, with their own desires and needs. Secondly, I am not judging anybody - imo everybody has their own right to choose what they wish to do with their life, but definitely not use skin color as a way of excuse why they cannot accomplish their desires :) do whatever makes you happy
This is so misleading. The "gender wage gap" is really calculated by getting the median salary of all working men and women. Not even taking into account for work experience, work hours, not even the job itself. Different jobs make different salaries. If the gender pay gap really does exist why aren't more companies hiring women if they can save 20% compared to men? It's not that hard to transition your work demography to all women and you save a shit load of money.
@@onebot4257 And "having"more or less in a specific section doesnt mean those who perform as a majority are better. For example there would be more women body builders if muscular women were considered beautiful in societies standards + sports were also taught tto women when growing up (like men grow up playing soccer and being influenced by parents to like sports more while women are influenced to like playing with dolls and etc). Im not saying women would perform better than men in bodybuilding, definitely not. Just saying there would be more if society would influence women to do it too and that it also has shit all to do with work. (except if it's manual work but nowadays harsh manual work has been replaced with machines anyways)
Moe Lester actually there was a study, although it wasn’t published in a peer reviewed journal, that found that 60% of men used all of the paternal leave they were offered when their pay wasn’t cut
@Static i wouldn’t say its toxic femininity, i think men and women just look for different things in a partner. for example men often date up in looks and dont want to date ugly/fat chicks
@Static true but females tend to not care as much about looks as much as guys do. so a female might think a guy is average or worse as far as looks go, but still date them because of other reasons. men are much less likely to do the same
I also think something that isn’t talked about enough is men who would prefer to spend more time as a stay-at-home dad. I have met quite a few men who seem to feel that they don’t have the choice to stay home and raise their children when they really want to. The biggest problem here for both men and women is that these set roles in society are denying them choice.
Too bad, I'm a man, I know the system. My wife is a house wife. I'm jealous as hell, but hay, the money has to come from somewhere. Too much regulation.
@@Kurio71 exactly. This video does raise valid issues, but it only shows half of the story. The reason women are paid less in STEM jobs is the same reason men struggle to find jobs in early education. Social stigma.
@@Immadeus Very few men would be interested in early education to be honest. Also, try putting "homemaker" on your Tinder profile as a man and see how many likes you get, none. Women want the best of both worlds
Equality = 50/50 but there will always be a constant imbalance between things, if something is dominated by 70% of men it's not a good thing and something has to be done but when women start being dominat 80% is seen as a good statistic and no imbalance is seen. I think we have to admit that equality is something that will never happen. Thanks Netflix for providing us with this video.
There is nothing wrong if 70% is one gender if it is on MERIT. Do you care for instance that most firefighters are men? I don't. Do you care that most nurses are female? I don't. Both genders gravitate to what they are good at. That is what we need. COMPETENT employees.
That's right, let's get more women down into the coalmines digging for coal! Get more women up on the roofs to tile them! Get more women out on a fishing trawler bringing in fish! And more men in safe offices as receptionists! More men in kindergarten classrooms! More men as office administrators! Let's make that workplace death gap 50/50 instead of 92/8! You know how we'd have to achieve that? We'd have to remove women's ability to choose fulfilling, safe jobs over dangerous, unpleasant jobs. You just write up that legislation and let us know how you go with that, huh? Feminists still refuse to equalize the selective service obligation that falls exclusively to men.
If there were truly a pay gap then business owners would fire all the men and just hire women so they could make more profit. You can't just add up what men get paid and what women get paid and say there is a pay gap. That is dishonest and using fault statistics. To get the true statistic you must use the same job from the same state/area. Example would an engineer. To get an accurate statistic you would need to compare women engineers salary to men engineers salary. Also, due to cost of living a person would get paid more for the same job in California than they would in say Montana.
Read the studies and you’ll see that they correct for that stuff, it’s called methodology. Your comment adds nothing but speculation cause of your fragile self image. Have a nice day.
I used to apply for a backstage job back in my country and they told me they only want male as backstage crew (while I put all my previous experiences in related jobs on my resume, we even talked about those). They also suggest me to go front of house, which they only allow young female to work as FOH (a position only pay minimum by hour). The fact that those who interviewed my are both female are really sad.
@@AM-vs6ff They said "back in my country", and didn't specify which country that is, how can you possibly know if it happens often or not? Don't invalidate people's experience without basis.
@@IvyCheang a local high occurrence doesn't negate the fact that globally it is a low occurrence...and depending on the what may also be justified. If you are 5'4" 100 lb male or female then maybe backstage heavy lifting isn't for you (as one example)
@@75ur15 Sure I agree with most of your first sentence, but my comment wasn't trying to debate on whether this is a common thing. It's not like any of us in the comment chain has the data on whether it happens often or not. When your friend tells you something bad happened to them, you don't react by saying that kinda thing doesn't happen. It makes them feel like you don't care about their experience. If you do have the data, then we can discuss on the facts. If not, then it's just an empathy issue.
@@IvyCheang it's an anecdote being used as data about a general case, so my response wasn't unwarranted for a random stranger on the internet, if this was a friend I was replying to then you might have a point
One extremely important yet, oddly left out of the video, is the Equal Pay Act of 1963 in the US, in 1970 in the UK, and most other Western countries. It has been illegal (and it should be) to pay women less for the same job based on their sex. If a woman or a man believes they are being paid less for doing the same work because of their sex, they can file a complaint with the EEOC in the United States. Oddly, the EEOC sees less than 1000 cases per year on gender pay discrimination and less than 100 per year actually are valid complaints. So, if all women, systemically, are paid less for the same work because they are female, why are there not millions of EEOC complaints filed per year? Anyone? Did I already answer my own question...
@@nanettej9760 It is not more complicated than that actually. It is that simple. You're just a communist who wants equal outcome, even if women work less.
There is great irony in the fact that Rwanda was used as a good example of women’s equality. They also say ‘Rwanda has one of the worst economies in the world’ directly after. A huge number of their men were genocided, so now women are a vast majority. As if that sort of society is one to admire, and as if women being paid better is worth the cost of hundreds of thousands of men. The fact that they focus on current women’s pay, and gloss over the fact that men were killed in huge numbers makes the reporters seem naïve and out of touch with reality.
@@Polisciandfries They don’t completely gloss over it, but they way they talk about it disgusts me. They no joke talk about how a huge % of the male population died, and then 10 seconds later, they bring in the pictures of happy women, start inspirational music, and talk about how they make quotas for more women, now that the majority of government was women, when there were not enough men to voice their opinion on the matter to overrule or evenly vote on such a bill. Every picture of a happy woman in what was previously a man’s position should be tragedy to the viewer, it means yet another man dying for a conflict they weren’t responsible for. It mean Father’s and brothers who didn’t come back. Of course this truly, what I find to be truly disgusting video/series puts inspiration music behind it, and champion it for all the good things the female majority did without the men’s input or ability to say otherwise, because they were fking dead.
hahahahahaha well, wouldn't be surprised. Although I think this video had some points but it just reinforced what the 'pay gap' is. Choices made by individuals. And, what I think ben Shapiro would say, I don't think we need to pressure mums or dads to do what they don't want to do. Once I have kids (I'm a woman) I want to be the one to be at home with them. That's my choice - and it's something I look forward to. I don't think we need to pressure anything into changing a 'pay gap' because of choices.
"Women are expected to raise children" that's actually backwards. The vast vast majority of people, both men and women would LOVE to be able to stay home and raise their kids, but they recognize women are better at it so in a way men are willing to make the sacrifice to be away from their kids for longer for the sake of providing resaources due to the respect they have for the mother's caregiving skill. It is raising the child that is the more prestigious and sought after occupation. It's a disgraceful feminist misrepresentation to place a "career" as some peak of what people wish to do.
@Lucas Inglat Truth has a weird way of finding its way through so don't get discouraged. If there's any advice I can possibly give it would be to keep working on yourself and the rest will come almost by itself. And once it does come work hard to build it further. It's more satisfying than any job could ever be :)
Razomir nothing’s wrong with having a career. Some women don’t want to stay home raising kids. And not all moms are better at taking care of kids than dads
I (a male) was working at one office and a woman was doing the same job as me and she was paid more cause she was friendly with our boss and he got her a raise... so will you do a documentary about my case?
Don't state a fact you will be tagged as misogynist. If men dominates college that's a problem but when women dominates college it's called empowerment.
They'll blame your boss now 😂 . And bro you gotta ask ur raise and if he rejects destroy his name and get outta that company . Read the book 48 laws of power .
Its weird hearing about men wishing it was the 50s so that their wives would stay home and be homemakers. My grandma was a doctor in the 50s. It was less common but not impossible.
I understand u think it is weird however the reason we (men) want to do this is because we have a natural instinct to protect and provide for women and children, women only have this instinct for themselves and children, this makes it easy for a woman to resent a man for having to provide for him or earning more than him, it feels somewhat emasculating to not be able to do something that is so fundamental to your purpose, and it is even scarier to think we could lose the respect and admiration we want from our wives and gfs, which we all crave. peace and love.
Society doesn’t put the same pressure on women as they do as men. Idk why women think it’s great. It’s terrible. It’s constant anxiety. A mans worth is entirely in his ability to create income and if you fail you are useless. Women don’t have that pressure. They have societal safety nets. Men don’t get that luxury so most men look at jobs and careers as survival. It’s not about getting a better lifestyle for men. It’s about being able to exist in society as a real person. The pay gap is 99% a women’s issue. Men aren’t trying to put women down, we’re just trying to make it and we have more to lose
@Valeria Loja Safety net for woms that don't want to work. Mn that are making good money. Because many of them wouldn't mind having a wife stay home just taking care of their homes while they work to make sure that she has a roof on top of her and food going into her mouth. Woms call it discrimination. When they don't want to be the lone bread winner either. lol
In my job women dont want to stay and work overtime. They are the first ones that want to go home. Meanwhile as much as i am dissatisfied working there i stay and work overtime.
@@LoveMeanKitties yes i am enjoying my overtime pay. As i will retire early with all the etherium I bought early last year. The real slaves subscribe to a victim mentality like femenism. Enjoy 😉
Lol, this video is so biased. We've had 6-months long, 100% paid maternity leave in Poland since 1974 (the communist era). What a novel idea Iceland had a decade later. we still have it, by the way.
Komasz Trymski Does Poland have paternity leave? This video doesn’t say the solution to the gender gap is maternity leave, it talks about paternity leave.
Yea, I had the same reaction 😅 That's same for all socialistic countries. In Czechoslovakia they had it since 1950, in 1970 it was extended it to 2 years, in 1980 to 3 years. Since 1990 even father can claim it, since 2001 the employers ar forced to give him If he demands. However only one patent can take the holiday, they cannot split, And as thé social norms expect women to be the primary care giver, they always discriminate against female workers only... We really need to change the norms...
I don’t have an argument here to add but an interesting story. Do with it as you will. I work at a Fedex warehouse where we lift boxes. There are both nearly equal women and men that work there nowadays. Women frequently ask men such as me for help with heavy boxes. One day, one lady complained to me that there were men standing around or doing easy tasks like small boxes and bags while she was stuck with heavy boxes. Saying “I gotta do this and there’s men right there”. I said nothing and helped her. But I thought to myself and regretted not saying it, this is equality, you get paid the same, you do the same work. Usually the women are placed in easier work areas with smaller boxes, the same boxes that the women was complaining the men were working at. That is all. I’ve been thinking about it ever so often since. Also: I am aware that women do have a lesser ability to build muscle than men. But the only argument I will include in all of this is that the only way to build that muscle, as I did since I first started, is to lift those heavier boxes. It seems some women use that as an excuse to not have to do such work. Im also aware that this physical labor is not easily comparable to office work but I just thought it was worth mentioning.
If women are paid less, it's not simply because they are women, but rather because, for various reasons, their male colleagues are seen as more valuable to the company in terms of work performance.
Every issue of discrimination seems to have the same pattern - Black v White, Women V Men, Caste System, Religious discrimination in India and possibly in other countries.
Yes! Systems of privilege work in very similar ways. I hope as more people start to realize this they will put less stress on being defensive when they are in the privileged group and realize that the system can be changed.
Shared parental leave wasn't available with my first and I got 2 weeks off. It was with my second and so I took 3 months off to look after with our 2. I loved it, the bond that was created with my second was so much stronger by having those 3 months. People make out like men don't want parental leave/paternity leave. This isn't 1940 anymore, we like being Dads, give both parents 6 months leave!
I am a part time working dad, who chose to stay home to look after our kids, and let my wife earn all the money. My pay halved, but, The rewards of looking after you kids and watching them grow and become educated etc, is something money just cannot buy,.
The inherent differences between men and women cannot be denied. It is better to perform one's duty properly from one's place than to calculate who is performing more duty or whose duty is more important.
Equality is not about standing on equal footing. It's about acknowledging each other's strengths and weaknesses and working together to fill that gap. You don't serve same course of meal to a Bodybuilder and a lawyer.
So you don’t pay a man and women equally? Or you think society should be based on one gender having the upper hand when it comes to higher paying jobs and positions? Sounds like a shitty power dynamic
It's a reflection of female preferences. Women wont accept a man who earns less/doesn't work, but men will. somebody has to earn for the family, and the other has to take care of the family.
Awesome and very insightful updates Well i will also say this here... Even as the world still experience slow recovery in terms of economic meltdown due to the recent Covid-19 outbreak, it is best advised to find another alternative to make good income.
I have seen things in corporate. my team lead wanted male employees coz that way he can make us work for an avg of 17-18 hrs per day and do long hours in office. We were harrassed and exploited, doing long hours for nearly one year till I left the team. Even my team lead was putting more hours than us coz he has a boss above him and a client with a high purse holding. The whole team's health was having a serious toll on our bodies and psychology
That's a key argument. Society finds it more acceptable to slave drive men as opposed to women. I worked in animation and when deadlines loomed, it was the men that ended up working late nights and even sleeping in office and the women were told they can go home due to safety reasons.
Feminism would rephrase that that they didn’t have the opportunity to be pushed to work those 17 hour days because of sexism. Look at all the overtime men got to earn. Feminism can rephrase anything to make women the victims. Hilary Clinton from this video famously said women bare the brunt of war because they lose their husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons.
Never once in my life did I work with a female who produced as much as the male. When men and women are paid the exact same for the same job, the men are undervalued because they produce more. Another way to put it. Women make more per effort than men, always have.
Golda meir was a female prime minister in Israel in 1968. She wasn't the president but in Israel the prime minister is more important than the president. Well before Iceland.
yeah same in India , our female prime minister Indira Gandhi was appointed in January 1966, which is more powerful place than a president in my country.
Ah yes, so children affect the pay gap. It really is about being a mom vs being a woman. I think we women generally do not assert ourselves as much as men. But it mostly comes down to the delays due to being a mom. More often than not, the pressure is on the woman to follow gender norms. There are some pretty interesting points in this.
I disagree that more often then not ,the pressure is on the woman to follow gender norm,because it is actually pushed in both genders ,men also have to work and make sure that they can make enough money otherwise a lot of women will not think of you ,the pressure is in both gender .
The more freedom men and women have, the more likely both are to make life and career choices that fall within their respective traditional gender norms. It's called the gender equality paradox. There's no country where it's easier for women to combine motherhood with a fulltime job. Yet Swedish women still choose to work part time in massive numbers.
@@Omar-kl3xp A lot of women are contributing to funds and can secure their own bag. Ambitious women just want a man who had goals and can carry his weight and then some because in today’s age, you have to do more than just have income.
@@MGsubbie I’d be curious to understand the reasoning behind why that would be in Sweden. I’ll look into it. I think there are a lot of factors at play.
@@sassysledgehammer The most obvious explanation that gendered behavior isn't just taught, it's also in part innate. Not for every individual, but for the average man vs the average woman. And that part of this is that women are more likely to prioritize family life over career. If the gender deconstructionist view is correct, there would be a linear correlation between gender egalitarian attitudes in society, and equally of outcome. But the correlation is a bell curve. My take is that strict gender norms makes women more likely to want to break free from those norms, and a lack of pressure makes women feel like it really is their own choice. At least, after a certain needed minimum of gender equality. (Because as I said, it's a bell curve.)
7:18 The solution to that problem is for both parents to split their parenting tasks equally, but if one parent refuses to do so, then teach your child not to date a-holes in the future.
Great summary of the actual facts, I do believe there is one other factor that wasn't discussed though. Men are often paid more in a role because they used family as a negotiation tactic. I know of many men that became the sole income in their family and therefore had to pursue roles which paid more. This often leads to companies offering an increased salary to keep the individual, understanding that the increase is due to family financial pressure on the employee. I would assume there are also women who received increases in a similar fashion. This isn't necessarily a bad factor, but it is worth understanding in the discussion as it is a valid reason why a man and a woman may be paid vastly different salaries for a similar position as the end income is split between 5 people, not 1.
I'm sorry, but can anyone enlighten me why Wage Gap is problematic in the first place? No one is forcing women to negotiate less, or take maternity leaves or work lesser hours. It's all their DECISIONS. Men are falling behind in academia with an Education Gap. Can we talk about that?
@@TOP0PERCENTthe gender gap also is something that will never became fully equals ,the Career choices ,the works hours ,kids ,maternity leave and negotiation ,gender role between men and women are all playing factors of why it exists in the first place and I don’t believe it will go away
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People should be placed in a certain position because of skill and not by any other metric. That's real equality.
exactly, kind of the whole point of the video. we all know women are not less skilled but they are less paid
@@DIVIDIII taking more time off = less skilled? No! I was replying to a previous comment on that matter, you brought up other things to validate your pre-determined opinion. Now, with regards to what you said: "women never come for a raise", you have to ask yourself why. And if you don't want to, there is a video here that will do the job for you. But it is not a matter of being less skilled
@@DIVIDIII ok, you clearly know best. No stat or world wide study can possibly compare/contrast your personal experience. it's all a big lie and you are the enlightened one. good luck and good day
@@DIVIDIII You can't argue with idiots. So don't even try.
@Lib Randu guys I start questioning your ability to follow a YT video. I nor the video said that currently in America there is someone that actively decides to pay women less cause that is ILLEGAL. the problem is the overall structure and expectations that make women more likely to sacrifice their career regardless of thier skills. And there are lots of studies and papers that prove this,what you say will not change facts
Literally doesn't even mention how they find the pay gap. The find it by taking all women and all men in the work force across all job fields. Not every job is worth the same pay rate.
A 19yo fast food employee should be payed the same as a 45yo surgeon, change your mind.
@@joshdunham7167 I hope you are joking...
But they did mention the idea is equal pay for equal work, implicit in that is that occupation was taken into account.
@@saturated3821 occupations can't be taken in account to show pay gap, it's illegal to pay different wages for the same job based on skin color or gender, if anyone did find credit source for different wages they can sue the company for 100s of millions of dollars and get a private settlement for 50mil.
@Nick Smith ... and why do you think men are more likely to do those things :'D
They don’t mention the fact that the woman gets the kids almost all of the time in a divorce, resulting in far more single mothers even if the mother is unfit to do the job.
They do not mention it, but it is implied. It is another way we can see the difference between "caregivers" and "breadmakers". Is a woman, just for being a women, going to be better at raising a kid than a man ? The goal is to change that idea. Maybe all men around the world should get together and show the world that they can do the same as women. They can take care of their children, of their elderly and of sick people as well as them. That is where we have to move as a society. And I think that is what they want to show us with this video.
@@thegorgeousonefrmLPG collective paternity/maternity paid leave would be a very good start, although it's also true that evolution has had our brains wired differently in regards to upbringing roles, which is a certain kind of "bias" if you will that is challenged here.
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true, me and my siblings were left with my mother even thought she had mental health issues and also didn’t have a job.
But she did a good job anyway, taking care of 5 kids with only $1000 in child support isn’t an easy job, yet she managed.
@@kunalmandhare3144 I was not pushing it on men in any way, I was proposing an idea. Women all around the world have to fight against stereotypes (not wanting to have kids, fighting for their rights, showing their financial independence, etc). However, even thought there are also men doing the same (talking about their feelings and their weaknesses, helping with house chores) I think that they should be more. There are still lots of men resisting to gender equality, and sadly they are not going to listen to women, only to other men. Feminism and arriving to equality (even thought we may have some physical differences) is a war against the beliefs that we all have had for centuries, and I believe that we should all fight them together💪🏽
@@kunalmandhare3144 Also, and I would really like you to be right, but the percentage of women lying about rapes and sexual assault, even though it exists as you say, of course, is also really small. I think that you are focussing on them instead of in the great picture. If that is a small percentage, imagine the number of real cases. Try asking women around you. Have they ever felt scared walking alone in the street? Do they decide not to do certain activities for fear of being assaulted by a man ? Have they ever felt threatened by a man in a sexual way ? You can ask these questions to other men too and compare the answers. Probably, the only thing that all women have in common is that they are going to answer yes. And that makes me so sad...
I would love that you were right about that, but in my personal experience, living in different countries and having friends (women and men) from all around the world, everyday I am more sure that the situation is even worst that what statistics show. And that scares me and makes me feel lucky for not having been raped. Yet. Now tell me that that is not disturbing. Or give me some kind of hope, at least. Please.
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Yes, didnt even watch the video yet 😅
thats why i am here
@@cesartalves you should, if you believe they just went and said “women are being discriminated for being women” you will be surprised.
Exactly.
We never came for the video in the first place
This is why there’s a trend of couples refusing to have children early.
yes
Or they just don't want to have children.
better for earth
@@oyedeepak Actually I agree. I think human perpetuation is over rated. But due to religion, a large population will strongly believe in the importance of child bearing and thus stress the "woman's place" concept.
Yeah...these are responsible people who want the best for themselves and their kids.
Better to be satisfied and raise your kids when you are stable and street wise enough. Just churning out babies is...well. Let's just say 8 billion is a lot...for no apparent reason.
They should've talked more about other factors rather then just basing themselves off maternity and paternity leave
Well, they mentioned how with motherhood excluded, women made 96% of what men made. I don't know if there's much of a point in talking extensively about the numerous factors that would account for that tiny 4 percent.
@@cesarperezargota They have tried to figure it out, but it results in certain inclinations such as m
That’s because that IS the pay gap. The “pay gap” is just what the average man makes a year vs what the average woman makes a year. Which is a very broad statistic that has been manipulated to fit a feminist agenda. There is no REAL pay gap. A Man and a woman are paid the same, it’s just a statistic that’s been blown out of proportion... for the most part. There most likely are a few cases where a woman is being unfairly paid, but these videos make it out that ALL women are extremely underpaid. Most people have given up explaining this as it seems like common sense but it bothers me people really believe there is a pay gap. Disappointed in Netflix, just shows how manipulative the media is.
@@greatestever8350 But to give them credit, I'm surprised that they actually attributed it to maternity leave, when the Left in general has always and is still constantly claiming it's due to sexism and misogyny.
Cesar Perez you right, I’ll give them that. Still, they tried to talk about third world countries, 1950s and Hillary Clinton talking about decorating an office space...
What is not spoken about In this debate are women who choose not to have children yet may be overlooked for opportunities by employers who assume she one day will. The "motherhood penalty" can play out in advance for childfree women of childbearing age. Also where is the data on earnings for childfree women vs earnings of men?
The data for childless women vs men in earnings starts at 8:20.
@@IsaacPrinTheNerd most women of child bearing age are still asked in interviews about their plans on having children and thus further allowing for discrimination
Melvin Mathew how is that discrimination. This future boss wants know if he has a 20 year partimer or a a full timer whose going to stay forever
@@dutchGZ This is discrimination if the question is put to one gender only and not the other. A man may choose to be the primary carer of his children and work part time while the female may continue to work outside the home. The assumption that women will become the primary caregiver IF she has children and therefore will work part time is where the gender discrimination comes in. The same assumption is not put on men regarding childrearing.
MaraaMay West lets flip this around. In the army men get yelled at while doing drills. While woman get cheered on their are so many videos about. When people tall about pay gap they only talk about high end paying jobs. What about physical jobs where the woman who does less work then the man gets paid less. Seen it with my own eyes.
Also yes they do get asked that the man aswel. Witht he most asked quistion where do you see youreself in 10 years. Woman answer husband kids. Man wife kids have to provide so wanna statt my career now
@8:20 women who are not caregivers: negligible pay difference compared to men (no sign of sex based discrimination)
@8:30 a pay gap based on choices is not discriminatory.
True, Women are more likely to raise kids as a single parent, but the courts are also heavily biased for women asking for full custody. Demanding full custody is a choice. If you want to fight real systemic sexual discrimination, that’s your target. Then move on to lengthier prison sentences for men than women for the same crime.
Conclusion: there is no pay gap, there’s a raising kids penalty. I’m sure you’d see the same thing for men who are single parents who end up earning less. Again, no sex based discrimination going on.
Most married women I know married men who are older than they are, further along in their career, likely making more money than they were. So when couples are making the choice between who spends more time with the kids, the men’s responsibilities shift to make us more money, women’s shift to spend time with kids. This is a choice each couple makes for themselves, let’s not get the government involved in who has to pick up the kids from practice.
Okay... but this puts career women and men who want to take equal part in caregiving at a disadvantage because statistical discrimination is involved. Employers on average view men as breadwinners, just as the government views women as the primary caregiver. This prolongs the status quo that women are better caregivers than men, when it may not be true on an individual basis. If we change policies to incentivize men to take paternity leave, it will definitely have a significant effect on their decision making. Consequently, as social norms change about who's the breadwinner and who's the caregiver, we most definitely will see policy shifts in custody laws too.
@@milenayashkina8641 its a cycle. How can laws change without people changing their decisions of who should care about children? How can they decide who should care about children if laws didnt change?
So, point is so called patriarchy shouldnt be blamed for this.
@@JP-sx9nf It should be, read a book
@@milenayashkina8641Girls brains are wired to be illogical or what?
a couple cents is actually not negligible. over a 40 year career, that could amount to 80,000 dollars in income, and that's not accounting for investment opportunities. it will also affect pensions.
"... there are 3x as many single moms as single dads... "
Actually that too is a choice, most fathers dont get custody after a divorce even though many would like to. There are also many ways to avoid such a situation in the first place.
That is not the woman’s fault. It’s a social norm for women to be more nurturing and better parents than their male counterparts. It shouldn’t be but that’s because of stereotypes forced into men and women. That is not the fault of the woman. That is the courts fault. It also shouldn’t be a cultural norm but it is. I’m a woman who was raised by a single dad after my mom died and I was raised great so I don’t believe that but that’s toxic masculinity. I do think we still need equal pay for single moms. When men complain about not being able to come forward about sa, it’s not the women who tell them they should have enjoyed it, it’s the men. It is men who are oppressing other men through toxic masculinity, but it is not women who oppress other women, it’s men who oppress them as well. Equality is better for all people, not just women.
@@amaltaher2717 I agree, it's also not the man's fault, I come from a country where the woman can offer some of the parental leave. Me and my wife discussed it and it came down to her having a year the first time and 9 months the second time. I would argue we have different parental skills but this COVID issue has helped me learn things I couldn't with only 2 weeks leave and I'd still have loved the opportunity to look after my babies more rather than go to work.
It's a massive society issue I don't agree white men have inherent privilege, I think we all have obstacles and expectations placed upon us I do believe we should strive for equality.
Steven Hardwick I don’t think that men don’t have hard lives or obstacles. I’m a woman and a mans life could be 10 times harder than mine, but I do agree that his gender isn’t one of the things making it hard and for women, it is one of the things that makes their lives harder. Im not proposing bringing down men so that their lives are just as hard, which is what some people think feminism is, im proposing that we bring women up so that their lives aren’t made harder solely because of their gender. I don’t know how to convince you if you don’t believe in male privilege because you aren’t a woman so you’ll never truly understand. Just think of things you may have gotten away with before or been given, and just think if those things would have been the same if you were a woman. Also, you mentioned living in a country where a woman can do that. Not all countries are the same so it may not be as big as a problem or you may not have seen male privilege in your country, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have inherent privilege in other places. Also, something to consider is how women can be 50% of the population and only have a fraction of leadership positions. Some may argue that men make better leaders, but I disagree, I don’t think anything about your gender can make you better or worse in a leadership position, unless of course it’s a company that markets to a certain gender. This is also disproven by the fact that the countries who have best handled this pandemic all have female leaders and the countries who have mishandled it the most, such as Brazil, India, and the United States, all have male leaders. Hope that helps!
@@amaltaher2717 I agree fundamentally, I'm not a woman I don't know but I also think that's a bit of a blanket statement, your not your dad your not me, everyone from their perspective have these issues of someone else is getting better than I do and I think we all find we get preferential treatment in some cases. I mean think as a woman how escaping things or swaying something your direction down to your period or the ensuing mood swings and if you haven't, good on you, I know women do. I can't say as a collective or its a majority I just go back to I'm not a woman, I don't have those apparatus I don't know. But I have seen it used as a tool the same as being a man is beneficial in some cases but I shouldn't feel sorry or wrongfully privileged I'm as unfortunately fortunate as everyone else.
I think I struggle in today's society and I think there are a few white men who also struggle. I think it's historical that men have succeeded and it's just continued but with a black American president and women as entrepreneurs and earning well from that I think it's more, as a guy said on the privilege change my mind, people need to look at respecting them selves and pushing on and bettering themselves. I think you'll find Jeff bezzos was a woman, is if he was a black woman who started an online store selling books that then moved into other markets I don't think anyone would have stopped her or even if it was a person who was non binary, it's where that person was and what fortune found for them. It just so happens Jeff bezzos is a white male so it inforced this idea that it's white men pushing everyone under but it's just not true I think historically white men have white male babies they give their fortunes to who go on to succeed and in some cases they don't. That's not sociological that's biological.
I'm not saying men make better leaders, I'm not saying anyone needs supressing, I'm saying stop looking for blame and "get good" / try harder make better decisions and at the end of the day it's all down to luck and timing.
@@amaltaher2717 isn't that equity Instead of equality though
I have no children and elect not to. But I've no problem with my taxes going to maternity leave, and other things I won't need but someone else will. This is the price of civilization.
I'm kind of the opposite: why should I care about the future of my civilization if I won't have any kids? I have no problem paying as little taxes as I can get away with.
@@MK_ULTRA420 Let your conscience be your guide.
@@steveatch Conscience is overrated in my experience.
@@MK_ULTRA420 Have you one?
@@MK_ULTRA420 bacause someone did it for you. You live in a civilization ergo, everything you acess has been paid by previous generations. If you dont want to live in a society, you can relocate to a remote island and , for instance, loose internet acess and every comodity, since it has been paid by someone else.
The sad part is 10-20% of Rwanda's male population had to die for equal participation in the work place
@Brad dіe Irriterend III Except that Rwanda still isn't a "free" country
@@renemagritte9218 not free according to which standards
@@renemagritte9218 How so?
@@aristonrusal194 they love putting African countries down, especially if they become successful
It will be interesting to see what happens when Kagame retires.
I think if women were really paid less for the same job, then companies would not hire men.
If I interview 3 people and one person is willing to do the same work for less money, then I would hire that person.
Bro have you not seen the video?? Women are expected to be caregivers and dedicate less time to their jobs so ofc people will pick men over women, because they expect them to be more focused on their job compared to women. And wdym "if women were really paid less..." they are, that's not even debatable, once again I ask you, have you even payed attention to the video??
Exactly so if I hire a man he will work more and will be paid proportionally more. There’s no pay gap. Women are paid less because of their career choices.
@@PawelRaszewski have you not payed attention to the video at all? 🤦🏻♀️ the points is that happens due to sexist beliefs that women always should be the ones taking care of the kids. So maybe the ones who are hiring aren't to blame because that's how it is, but we definitely have to change the mentality that taking care of the kids is mainly a woman's job and that's what should be expected from her
@@andreabaeza923 they did this experiment in Scandinavia. When women have free choice they tend to pick less paid jobs or take care of kids. 🤷♂️ Don’t blame others for your decisions.
Work in a coal mine or on an oil rig, those jobs pay well.
@@PawelRaszewski yes I perfectly know that jobs have different salaries 😂😂😂. But we're talking about being paid less while doing the same exact work. Obviously if they work in a job where it requires less work they're going to paid less but that's not what we're talking about... this is what happens when you only listen to argue and not to understand 🤦🏻♀️
So the solution is paternity leave, cool sign me up!
I think they already regret maternity leave. I've seen women getting harassed by the employers for getting pregnant, which is also the excuse to pay less with blue collar jobs "oh yeah, but you will get pregnant" like if all women were bitches.
Your body wasn't sacrificed. But I do think both should happen. 3 months maternity leave then 3 months paternity.
I agree to equal maternity and paternity leaves. That way, both parents can put in approximately the same amount of effort taking care of the child.
my ap gov teacher went on paternity leave! I think its common in nyc (where im from). His wife worked closely for Pelosi and i really admired how much respect he had for his wife and her career. He talked about it in class and helped us understand and normalize it
Paternity leave vs ethnic cleansing.... hmmm tough choice.
One way to make sure you're getting paid well is to discuss your income with your colleagues. That way, there will be clarity among co-workers & your employer can't take benefit of you.
While think this is a great idea in theory, for some people this is illegal. It is a condition of my contract that I can't discuss my pay with my colleagues and I could be fired if I do. Not sure where you are from but in my experience in Australia, people don't want to talk about salary, they think it's bad taste to do so. So I legally can't talk to my colleagues about our salaries, and my friends don't want to talk about theirs. I never know where I stand. It's very frustrating!
@@NesBambi not speaking to your colleagues is also a benefit to those who are better negotiators for salary.
Who wants to spill the beans that they successfully negotiated a wage increase when it will negatively impact that same person in the next negotiation.
After all the boss will hardly be thrilled and there goes your good will. The boss may be willing to raise one person's salary if he plays hardball to shut him up. Less likely to raise that person's salary if it means raising everyone's.
@@NesBambi In the US it's a legally-protected right to be able to discuss salary in the workplace. It's explicitly meant to deter pay discrimination. Unfortunately, businesses have cultivated that social stigma against sharing one's salary because it could make someone feel bad for being paid less when, in reality, the lower-paid person would just ask for a raise (assuming they do equal work)
One of the best protections for securing a higher salary is having multiple people wanting your employment. Options ... in other words.
You are not in a good negotiating position if you can not say no.
@@NesBambi its also kinda rude to ask some one how much they earn also unless ur hours are the same ur wages wont be
I took a course in college titled "Gender & Economics" that was very enlightening and touched on many of these points. Some other important factors noted was that men (weather innate or learned) tend to be more aggressive in negotiations. So if a man and woman are offered the same starting salary, the man is more likely to counteroffer and negotiate a higher amount. Even if they both got 3% raises per year, the gap would still increase. If you don't believe that some of these factors are at play, look at the pay difference between unskilled and skilled labor. Where education, skills, knowledge, and behaviors are not criteria for success, the gap will be smaller (if at all) for equal work.
Agree with this but you should also consider that the man being aggressive like this tends to be more acceptated than if a woman did it so that could be an factor as well, which is the reason that female professor can have a hard time getting money for something they want to make a study on
I am 75% sure that the course is a goddamn scam. The gender pay gap doesn't exist AT ALL. It's just a feminism hoax to blame men for women's own issues.
Mette Lindegård Nielsen not true there aren’t form of “aggressive performance work” that woman get less importance than men, too many variables don’t do the feminist please.
@@leonardchurch5199 @Leonard L Church The gender pay gap doesn't exist. It's the result of men and women's own decisions.
@@destroyer-tz2mk its impossible for something not to exist and at the same time to be a result of something. Something either exists and is a result of something, or it doesnt exist and isnt the result of anything.
Women have you ever worked at a job where a man works the same hours as you, in the same position, with the same seniority, brings in the same amount of money to the company but the boss decides to pay him 22% more than you? If so, why wouldn’t he fire that guy, hire a woman, pay her 22% less and get the exact same results?
Facts
I'm gonna humour you, and let's say if they did do that, it would lead to more women in the workforce or in that particular demographic, which (assuming the employer is sexist) is a big no for them. On top of that, more women in specific jobs means that there will be a higher chance of positions of power being taken up by women due to more women in that job. Since the gender pay gap applies to most jobs, we can assume that if your logic was applied to most jobs, society would become a matriarch. This is contradictory since the patriarch is all about keeping men in power and women not in power, therefore your point is invalid.
@@leonwu2775u are absolutely delusional. Most employers only care about money. The idea that most employers dont want women in powerful positions is dated.
@@leonwu2775But money talks and $h1t walks. People care about money infinity more than which sex their employees are. Assuming someone is sexist is just as presumptuous as assuming that women want money as the first priority important thing in their life/career, instead of flexible hours more vacation, less stressful work environment.
I work in a higher position (but not manager) than my male colleague, started before him, and had had more experience in general before we started in the company. I do more complex work than him and have more responsibility, but we work the same hours. I learned at a company party that he earns more than me (there isn't much openness about salary so just learned recently). It's not as much as 22 % more than me, but given everything, I do feel like I am not valued the same. My contributions are higher to the company, looked at it objectively, so I should be making more in that sense.
I partly take responsibility for the gap, as I find it hard to negotiate. Though I have tried every single year to negotiate my salary. It's hard when you don't know the standard wage you "should" be paid, you might end up underselling yourself. Men, I experience, are a lot better at valuing themselves higher, and yes sometimes higher than what they actually contribute. But it works out for them, so why shouldn't they! So I think we have a job to do, to get women to value their work higher, so they also can get higher salaries and raises. Especially in fields where you can't compare your role to a "standard" salary.. higher that "inherent" value for one owns work as a woman, we gotta work on it!!
The first half of the video looked like it was made by buzzfeed
VOX more than buzzfeed
@@reenachauriya4931 it looks like it because it is made by VOX. You can see it in the beginning that they helped making this video
True 🤣
That woman working more with children reminded me of a lady I once met. She did more engineering work than all of her male co-workers in less time, so she went to her boss and demanded to be paid the same as those men for less hours. She got it.
@Reluctant Human :/
Logically, then, she's still getting getting paid less for the same work. Sure she's getting paid the same, but as you said, she did more work than all her male employees. She should be paid MORE than them based on a percentage of increased work output.
On the contrary this is what I see happening.
Men (spouse/colleague) they get to have extra time to update their skills keep up to date but mom's are still primary caregiver and upkeep of the home. As mundane as it sounds everyday chores which still counts for effort and time is still being catered by women.
Working man gets home cooked food served when he returns home but for mum her second job starts when she returns home.
As soon as I leave work the first thing that comes to my mind is what to cook tonight but that doesn't cross my man's mind.
Any change starts at home, hope my son could be one step ahead of his dad.
@Reluctant Human chill down, I just misspelled male
Lauren Salehi You’re a feminist
I think a key point was made, but glossed over at the beginning...most women, especially white women didn't work outside the home at all - This can't be said for black women who were forced into labor.
yeah because black men dont support black women ! Single motherhood rate is like 80% for blacks!
@@prakash5795 What people file on their taxes is not indicative of their roles as mothers or fathers. African American Men, are more involved in raising their children than any other men in other ethnic groups in the United States (The CDC).
wait when? like are we talking the 1950's or are we talking the 1700's? Im actually curious, this comment isn't meant to be srcastic
@@fantasticcarlie252 Well, I distinguish forced labor from work, so the 1700s and the 1950s entail two different experiences for black women. I've met 4 generations of women in my family, and they know of at least 2 generations prior to...and they've all worked; this is true for most diasporic Africans. Being a stay at home mother is neither good nor bad, but a highly nuanced position when you consider race and class.
That's not true. Most woman work outside the house. This documentary is not only about USA where it's customary for woman to be a stay at home mom. In the rest of the world, most woman, every color, have to work to provide
You never mentioned that men take more risks asking for more money earlier than women. Also just the fact that men want jobs that pay more than the jobs women want.
@@Dimitris_Half these directly influence the amount of money people make at any given time. If people are asking for more and ask more often they are more likely to get it than thoes who don't. That's why it's relevant. Also if more men to go for jobs that pay more this can also influence the pay gap as men will disproportionately get paid more. For instance 97.76% of nursery nurses and assistants are female ($29250) while 99.19% of vehicle technicians, mechanics, and electricians ($63000) are male.
@@subrisubrika5652 agrred, but did you also know that women are less likely to be hired if they negotiate for the salary? yeah. we cant win either ways.
what kind of freaking generalisation is this
in what universe? have you ever seen a white collared males irl? total bs.
The title should be : "Why women earn less".
@Riley Frost There are very few CEOs in the world unless you call the owner of a tiny self-owned limited company a CEO, then I am one too. The fact is, Men are EXPECTED to be the bread winners, they are EXPECTED to risk their lives more, and they are EXPECTED to be dispensable. The person who goes up to the arctic for mining oil or minerals in freezing temperatures easily earns 6 figures and is always a man. The people who go to the treacherous arctic seas to fish for lobsters and king crabs are almost always going to be men. Men are much more likely to fly away from home on pursuit of business ventures and meetings. Men are much MUCH more likely to be killed on the job. Men work more hours. Men work more years.
Such an idiot and a true example that when you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Get yourself educated Gaurav.
@@TMP_19 Nope you are just naive, if I can pay women employee only a portion of what I should pay men then I would happily employ all the women in my company and save a lot of money.
All those figure about are very misinforming that women are being paid less. What they are doing is averaging all mens and women salaries and stipends which is very stupid from any statistician views.
@@prashantsolanki007 You clearly need to educate your self more on history of oppression and how it affects in the long term. I would suggest read more about racial pay gap and you would get a good sense on how injustice works and please stop giving surface-level arguments.
@@TMP_19 idc about fictional shit, and here we were talking about women of present and not the past.
There may be 100 discrimination that are happening to women but I really doubt this gender pay gap.
I have hired dozen men and women and have never cared about paying different to men and women.
Do you know why? Because your salary is decided by the market and not by me. Most of the companies will have a fixed limit on how much they will pay to empolyee and many times it is already given to interview that we will pay you X amount. No one cares a men or a women. I don't think you have ever worked in a corporate environment. If I will hire someone I want them to do the work , it doesn't matter who they are and what they are, if you can do the task under me you are hired and will be paid by market standard and not based on your gender.
Just go and find if two people with same jobs and same level of competency are paid very different or not.
It would be hilarious as a recruiter to pay more if you can hire someone for lesser.
And regarding having baby and stop working then it is personal matter of women and her husband. It's upto them how they will manage, companies doesn't care about random factors. They only care for task completion so that they can earn profit. Period.
I don't think businesses should be directly responsible for paying their staff's parental leave. The businesses should be taxed, and the taxes should pay for parental leave. Making them directly responsible puts the financial burden on smaller businesses, on businesses which create more jobs, on businesses which employ more women, and on businesses which welcome prospective parents. All of which would be counterproductive.
Sorry for my ignorance but does your employment insurance not pay for parental leave? In Canada our EI which means a small part of our cheque goes to employment insurance covers you if you lose your job or maternity leave, sickness leave etc.
Agree, parental leave is something beneficial for whole society. Everyone should be okay paying taxes for that the same way we are okay to pay for infrastructure, removing specificality from individual employees and employers
Thats one i was asking my self. Like in Iceland who pays for the parental leave , govermemt or bussiness. But again ICELAND has high taxes so they can do it
No. Some people don’t want kids. Can’t force them to pay for other people having kids.
@@ProudtobeaCanuck not in the US. there is no guaranteed parental leave
The biggest problem is that these studies never take into account the amount of hours worked or the professions. They compare female teachers to men who work in oil fields. Of course someone who works 50hrs a week I’m a oil field will make more than a teacher who works 9months of the year at 40hrs.
why do people think that having your child raised in a daycare so parents can go to work is a good thing?
Yeah this is feminism...
Exactly.
That's why kids eventually grow into heartless humans like serial killers and the rest, absence of mother's love.
@@kestonagboro4262 what about those who have gay parents or single dad without the motherly love are they gonna be heartless monster ?
@@ajjurahen2028 let me answer with a question. How well can someone with one leg run?
Not a single man interviewed, why?
The fact that the pay gap is mostly due to different choices of work and worktime, rather than becoming a mother, is not mentioned at all, very weak in a documentary about exactly that issue.
One women at the end said it very well. "As long as we make it a womens problem we are reinforcing stereotypes".
For every womens issue in progressive countries in todays world, there is a antagonist mens issue.
A women loses her husbad in war - A man died to protect his country/family.
A women stays home to raise the children - A man has the pressure to provide for them.
Most caregivers are women and are underpayed - Most labourers are men and are underpayed
There are way more single moms than single dads - A man has a much harder time to get custody for the child
A women has the burden to decide for or against abortion - A man can not decide if his child is gonna be born
A women is more likely to be seen as weak - A man can not show weakness
The list goes on almost infinite, and most of it is NOT just due to the structure of our society but because of the biological and psychological differences and the symbiose between men and women that created the structure of our society. We are a TEAM and we are supposed to complement each other, if we now try to tackle these differences unilaterally with the goal of equal outcomes, we bring the relationship between men and women and thus the structure of our society out of balance and only create new issues, like for example the demonisation of typical male character traits and sexual desires, a raise in psychological issues in both men and women, gender issues, MORE single parents, MORE divorces and many many more. Start seeing both sides of the coin and you will be much more content with your life, your choices and your duties as a man or a women, whatever you believe they may be.
I suspect the decision to interview solely women was made to avoid points being dismissed because it's a man making it.
@@nyxredfern5042 And that is exactly the problem and it makes the documentary biased. When making a unbiased documentary the goal is not to make the points so they can't be dismissed, but to present facts. When i focus on the first thing it is propaganda by definition. Don't get me wrong, propaganda isn't always a bad thing, you could even argue that propaganda for equality is a good thing. BUT, i have to ask the question: Why does Netflix release a biased documentary about exactly that topic? Most women interviewed had very rational perspectives and argued very reasonable, only the commentator, who happened to also be female, intervened with very biased comments that did not fit at all to what the women were saying.
This documentary is clearly directed to vulnerable women, and it's objective is to make those women feel less, feel opressed and it pressures the women who fall for it to be discontent with their situation in life, all under the context of gender inequality.
In reality, documentaries like this lead to the exact opposite of what they pretend to want to archieve, they divide our society under the umbrella of identity politics. It is really sad for both manhood and womanhood.
I apologize if what i am writing is difficult to follow, but i am not a native english speaker and im tiping this on my smartphone.
when talking about patriarchy, understand we are talking about a system. So in this system that puts women in the child rearing role, fathers are put in the provision role and this has consequences for both groups. The woman might be better at providing, not want kids, or have more passion for her career, the man may be a better caregiver, not earn as much and hate his job. But society pushes both to focus on one rather than what they want to do
@@ad2094 Why start with the presupposition that we are living in a patriarchy? At least in western societies we do not.
And yes, some women are better at providing than some men, and some men might be better caregivers than some women, but on average it's the opposite, and that's not mainly due to society, but due to inherent differences, on average, between the genders.
If your argument would be right, the most egalitarian countries would have more equal role distributions than less egalitarian countries, which is not the case.
I dont want to be insulting, i know it is a very sensitive topic. And i know there is a lot of injustice in this world and a lot of it is against women. But that does not mean that every claim that is made for that case is right and justified.
@@1bullneck1 we do live in a partiachy. And we don't have egalitarian societies, we just have some that are more equal than others and by definition that means the role distribution in those countries is more equal.
It's very easy to use the argument of things that are "inherent" to genders until you look back in time and get outside of your culture to observe societies where women do things that are thought to be inherent to men and vice versa, or look back in your culture's history and learn what people thought women could not do biologically. Biological arguments have been used invariably to exclude women from ownership, trade, autonomy, education, leadership, etc. Over time with rebellion and fights and tiresome debates, we realize women can be involved in these things as competently or as incompetently as men.
Moral of the story: don’t have kids
I wonder what would've happened if your parents took that advice.
@@theobserver3753 i wonder if ures did that too
@@theobserver3753 I wish they would've.
people choose to have kids - I want kids very, very much! That's my choice. The 'gender pay gap' isn't a pay gap, it's a difference in choices.
U know guys take part in that too ... and also ur parents had kids ...
My mother was the only Engineer in her Office in Assam in 1970s.
Proud🙏🏽
@j schenn what?.. I hope you aren't also
im trying to find the person who asked
Nobody gives a F
What kind of organisation hires only one engineer? High on something or what?
I've been intensely interested in the gender pay gap for the past few years now, and decided to do my own research in order to come to my own conclusions. This involved a lot of reading and talking to people more knowledgeable on the issue than I was.
My first conversation was with a family friend, she's the HR-director of a major museum. She explained the gender pay gap this way: whenever there's some new position to be filled, she's usually the one that conducts all the interviews. When interviewing for managerial positions, each candidate, male or female, always gets asked if they're okay with business travel, if they're okay putting in overtime, how well they work in high-stress environments, etc. And every single time, all the male candidates answer with an enthusiastic "yes, no problem!", while all the female candidates answer with "no, I'm afraid not". What's she supposed to do? She'd love to hire more female managers, but they always come off as inflexible in their job interviews. She's a divorced single mom herself, so she's well aware WHY women don't want to work overtime or go on business trips, however that's the nature of managerial positions. As a manager you don't get to go home at 5pm and you are sometimes required to take week-long business trips. As a consequence, most managers at her organization are men, despite her best efforts to hire more women. As to the gender gap, she insists that it doesn't exist. First of all it's extremely bad PR for a company to pay women less than men for the same work, and secondly, what's the added value for the company? The company doesn't gain anything by paying a woman a few hundred dollars less for the same job, and the cost is so insignificant that it's not even worth the bad publicity or potential lawsuit. Furthermore, if women were paid less for the same work, companies would simply only hire female employees. Businesses exist to make money, so if there's a group of similarly qualified candidates that come with a cheaper price tag, then businesses will exploit this market in order to save personnel costs.
I thought all of this was eye-opening, until I had a chat with one of my best friend's mom. He comes from a VERY religious family and has 10 siblings. His mother was a stay-at-home mom while his father was a lawyer. After trying for almost an hour to get me to join her church, she then shared with me her opinion on the gender pay gap and society at large. According to her, society fell apart because women left their sacred duty in the home when they selfishly decided to pursue careers. My mouth dropped to the floor! I thought that line of thinking died out years ago along with the dinosaurs! She saw the look of shock on my face, but continued. The problem with your liberals, she said, is that you devalue the work of women in the home by classifying it as menial labor - nothing could be further from the truth. The job of the housewife is THE most fundamental and valuable job in the history of mankind. It is we women that bear and nourish the children, we then raise them and instill in them the values and tools they'll need to function as adults. This requires a long list of special skills that housewives have traditionally exercised but seldom given credit for, e.g. leadership and managerial ability, fiscal management, time management, judge/jury/executioner, purchasing manager, etc. In a nutshell, she took her job as housewife VERY seriously and was proud of the fact that all her 11 children were decent, well-adjusted adults with their own successful careers and families. Her husband's job was to work and bring home a paycheck. Her job was to turn that paycheck into a home and family. When women left the home to start a career, children either had to raise themselves or find someone on the streets to act as parent. This resulted in developmentally and socially stunted kids, lacking direction and purpose. These kids then take out their anger on society, which is how we end up with delinquent and criminal young adults.
I was speechless, especially since I was a product of a single-mom. I remember how hard she had to struggle, but I still think I turned out okay. Would it have been better growing up with a mother at home and a father at work? Maybe, but it makes no sense crying over spilled milk. Anyway, my friend's mom had no problem with the gender pay gap. And if she had her way, there would be a 100% gender pay gap, with women staying home to take care of the kids while men go to work. Funny enough though, every single poll on this issue shows the same result: when asked if given the choice, would women prefer to be stay at home moms or have a career, women overwhelmingly say they would prefer to be stay at home moms. The most shocking results were from gender-equal Scandinavia, where the vast majority of women said they would prefer to be stay at home moms.
I've come to the conclusion that the gender pay gap will NEVER close, because it's based on biology and not society. As long as women continue to bear children, it will be possible for them to reach pay parity with men. What's needed is a new compensation paradigm that recognizes that the role of the woman in the household is just as valuable, or perhaps even more valuable, than the role of a multinational CEO.
You mean, "as long as women continue to bear children, and we don't treat it as a job that should be paid, the gender pay gap will never end." Your ultra-conservative friend is absolutely right that most societies treat a tiring, difficult, and very time-consuming job (parenting) as something that should be done (usually by women) for free. If people got paid a salary, a pension, health care, and formal recognition for parenting, maybe young people would again start having children in numbers large enough to replace the population.
@@professorlilith5933already needs not many population
@@professorlilith5933 the government is so desperate for people to have families they can pay.
why do I go straight to comments before the video even starts! 🤦
guess I have more faith in you guys...
Work choices and hours explain almost all of the gender pay gap. There are many studies on this. Look at Scandinavian countries for work choices.
indeed women under 25 are out-earning their male counterparts
That's wrongthink. You might be cancelled soon.
@@jgn1977 lol well shit
I ain't got a twitter tho :) Parler ftw
Do you think the choices and hours have anything to do with gender roles? Should we have a society where women are pressured into being the child-caretakers and the men are pressured into being the bread-winners? And should we pressure women into lower-paying jobs and men into higher-paying ones? And should caring for children be unpaid?
Just don’t have kids
Wage gap: drops to 0%
Brith rate drops to 0%
@@nachiketh3650 thats a great bonus why would you even want kids? useless little bastards for 18 years if not more
You’re still useless
Also solves the overpopulation problem
@@romanisakson8752 Also solves the problems of humanity since we go extinct. And also the environment
Women are already paid the same as men!
There is no wage gap. It's an earnings gap.
Disappointed that the video didn’t mention differential career choices by men and women. In my country, even though college applications are completely gender-blind, men represent about 70% of all engineering degrees (which are known to pay more), while women represent about 95% of education and psychology degrees (which are known to pay less).
That’s not the point though. The point is comparing the income of women and men in the same or similar careers, and why there might be differences, and making an average of those incomes disparities for different positions. Of course if you’re a secretary or an engineer you’re going to be paid differently, but that has nothing to do with gender, a man working a McDonald’s is going to make less than a male doctor.
@@xx___x "That’s not the point though. The point is comparing the income of women and men".............the "gender pay gap" is NOT comparing the gap of genders doing the same job. It is the GAP between all jobs women do vs the jobs men do. It also does not account for men, on average working LONGER hours.
Just a friendly reminder: giving an explanation about why such things exist, doesn't make it okay. It just means that we're aware society considers women as baby makers before accounting them as a valuable asset to the economy or the society. And with that knowledge in mind, the people in power just decided to turn a blind eye on the matter. Because if you can't see it, why correct a wrong that doesn't exist?
Things are changing with more and more millenials refusing to get married or have children, which is a good thing I suppose
Are women on average less valuable then men to the economy - yes, voluntarily they just don't want to sacrifice as much (i'm talking about statistics and average numbers). One is sure, they are equally important for the society. Your value is not just based on how much you earn, taking care of other people counts for something, you know
@@akutenshi6946 Is is not as healthy mentally, so probably not a good thing. I belong to that group tho :D
@Umbuko DaJuko what
@@nikolarajkovic4595 they def sacrifice
I wonder if the family decides to let the father be a primary caregiver, his wage gap will be the same as the caregiving mother. If not, then it is a more serious problem on discrimination about women; if so, then this is a societal problem for penalizing couples for having children.
Are you stupid or something? It's statistics how can you not understand that. and motherhood is a choice so if you don't want that you don't have to then you earn as much as men.
Youcef Safer don’t you think it will be interesting to see if the choice of fatherhood cost the same as motherhood? And I really think to see if the society has certain bias towards the care giver for a family that is having children is very important. This is about the production and reproduction situation of modern human society.
Its biologically impossible to leave full responsibility to the father.. The connection between a mother and an infant is irreplaceable. Additionally if the baby is breastfed then I dont think that a man has the appropriate equipment to breastfeed it
@@mariananou4073 some wil cling to exceptions, but it'll never be a rule, I agree with you, the connection between the mother and child is innate, the mom is the only one who can give a child breast milk, and formula fed children are short changed for not having their mothers natural milk, their more likely to get diabetes, more likely to have a weaker immune system, and probably less intelligent as well, women who go out and work while their child's at home just end up feeling guilty and trying to reconcile working while feeling this way it is a backwards world that tries to reinvent roles for its members, I hope we recognize the need for mothers to be mothers....
These are not the only two factors that explain the wage gap, men and women behave differently. Men makeup 96% of workplace fatalities and do more dangerous and labor intensive jobs compared to women, men also make-up majority of the patent earners. Only 4% of patents have women only inventors. How about we compare women only workplaces compared to male only workplaces and consider the work output of both and see if how much of the difference is just due to men outperforming women. Despite all the subsidies into women only programs, all the women groups and all the "positive discrimination" from early childhood, to gynocentric schools and colleges to the job-market we are still unable to manufacture parity between men and women.
Corporate CEO: "Calm down my fellow business owners. The soulution isn't paying woman more... It's paying men less! Everyone wins! "
Applause
ahahha more money for the business altogether
Hahaha this is gold
Oh wow what a solution . . okay lets do it . . . but wait wont there be less money all around to spend . . well that means less tax revenue and profits overall . . which kinda kills the economy . . . uh oh . . that means (and this is the best part!) that those same businesses will close and be sold off to bigger corporations who can impose harsher working regulations on people and destroy more freedom of choice. Yaay Absolutely brilliant! Please please try to use your brain before you speak FFS.
I'm quite impressed by the nuance and attention to data this documentary includes. This really is a family issue, not only a "woman pay gap" issue. As a man, I hope that I could someday have the opportunity to take care of my child -and I think many men share a similar sentiment that they don't want to be seen as just "a wallet" and want to have our partners earn the most possible and have the most opportunity when they chose to work.
Yeah, it would be great if you could breastfeed. But you can't. What people don't get is that a bond between a mother and a child firms in the whoom phase and is then extended with breastfeeding. the bond goes both ways, therefore many mothers prefer to stay with the kid, even though it's exhausting, but is also very rewarding.
@@T0mek87 It's all about money these days. People are more materialistic now than ever.
@@T0mek87 There is no scientific evidence, that breastfeeding needs to happen when it comes to bonding. It is the basic feeding process- you can also feed your child with a bottle. So fathers can bond just like mothers. It is a question of choice.
In Germany we have a year maternitiy leave and parents can split that. I know a few people who split it: The mother went on leave the first 6 months and after that the father would be on leave for the rest of the year.
@Bia L True!! I just wanted to debunk people who claim that the weight is rightfully womens', because of breastfeeding and bonding. Like don't blaim sexist structures on "biology". As I said: it is a choice to bond with your child (some people dont have the privilege to choose, I see you!).
@@trillianweatherwax4181 bteastfeeding is dirtly related to sex. So is Mother-Child bond, as they are hormonally linked since conception. The fact that you cant cmell it does not mean that its not there. woman deciding to stay with kids is way more bilogical than sociological, while both are a factor. That is way more woman prefer to take the time off to care for the baby, even if they have a choice. They want to do whats best for the baby and not what is best for netflix or to anybody else for that matter
this is more like children make you make less money. Not women make less money.
Well, yes... and also no. Because of societal norms perpetuated by decades of patriarchy, women are seen as the “nurturers and caregivers” who must sacrifice their careers to care for their children. Children wouldn’t be an issue if not for these notions. As it stands, unfortunately, women do happen to make less money as a result of this. We need to eradicate these views in order for men and women at large to take on balanced roles as both care providers and breadwinners 👍
@@andpeggy9626 agreed but at least they have a choice. And physiologically woman are more empathetic (generally) then men which is why they make better carers such as nurses, and teachers. Which are all important jobs
Finlay Thomas they do have a choice, but societal pressures and the absence of paternity leave skew that choice. I also agree that there are fundamental differences between men and women, (for example, men are generally stronger) but quite honestly I don’t think men having a a tenuously agreed upon lower standard of empathy is excuse to foist the brunt of the childcare on women, and doing so is probably a bit demeaning to men honestly lol, but yeah I agree there is a probably a correlation between women and choosing jobs related to care, but also, that may partly just be the Placebo Effect- a product of society asserting that women belong in those roles...
Sorry for writing a novel! Haha
@@andpeggy9626 Feminism: The freedom to work in an office for most of your life so you can fight the patriarchy by paying someone else to raise your children.
Men will never have the choice to have children. Why must society be gender balanced across everything? That is not a rhetorical question.
@@andpeggy9626 Let couples have the Freedom to make those decisions. You can have that discussion with your husband now. No need to make a law forcing people what they should do.
Netflix releasing large productions of educational value during the coronavirus / pandemi period. For free, on youtube, without having to create an account or login, unlike the other big streams that require login.
Netflix liberando grandes produções de valor educativo no periodo do coronavirus/pandemi. De graca, no youtube, sem preciaar criar conta ou login, ao contrario dos outros grandes streamings qque exigem login..
@D Murrman there's a lot of things that aren't mentioned in the video, but it holds a lot of truth
Free propaganda
@D Murrman It starts the conversation, that is what is important. People are not as gullible as you think
Corporate fanpeople are so cringe
netflix makin bank from ad rev
I am with Jordan Peterson with this topic.
they define the difference as if the money earned by the man was left to himself.
at no point does it mention that all the money that the man earns at work is destined for the family
Wage Gap between single fathers vs married fathers vs men without kids?
I imagine a married man with kids is going to work as much as he can. Especially if his wife has decided not to work or work part time after having kids. This video talks about the choices women have, but how many men get a choice to go part time after his child is born? Or stop working and providing?
Very good question. To bad more people don't ask logical questions like this.
@@anneb889 when talking about patriarchy, understand we are talking about a system. So in this system that puts women in the child rearing role, fathers are put in the provision role and this has consequences for both groups. The woman might be better at providing, not want kids, or have more passion for her career, the man may be a better caregiver, not earn as much and hate his job. But society pushes both to focus on one rather than what they want to do
i would love to see a video on that as well. also it’s interesting to mention that for theyve done a few studies that for the most part women don’t like being with men that make less than them.
That hurts the narrative.
Shouldve mentioned this was made by vox in the title
Well, is in the descripction
Good.
Now make a video about "Why fathers are most likely to loose custody of the children post divorce even though they earn more than the mothers!"
They spent a large chunk of the video explaining that reason
@@kungfukenny1793 uh, no they didn't.
Because women are more often seen as the care givers
@@kungfukenny1793 they didn't nub
@@Jack_Dawlia so the same reason is bad for gender pay gap but when it comes to custody it's not. Privilege much 😂
They said it’s okay as long as you have a choice but then say the answer is to force men to take paternity leave? You should be allowed to choose and reward those who are more focused on their work life men and women alike.
Its not forced. If you listen it its encouraged so men are offered the paternity leave and they take it or they dont. It was frased in a way that it was hard to understand.
We have a system very similar to Iceland, and when I was born my dad took more maternity leave than my mom, as she had a higher paying job than my dad, who’s was studying and had a part time job... I didn’t realize how atypical that is, but this video really puts it in perspective...
so make sure that, god forbid but if in case your parents decide to part their ways, your father gets equal custody over you as your mother does too.
And....
Iceland's birth rate is now below population maintenance, great progress
Maybe during an 8-hour childbirth, the man should take over and push the baby out for 4 hours so the woman can get up and go to work. Then the man can stay home on maternity leave to produce breastmilk.
I would have loved to see the 2018 Danish study also measure the effect on men's pay who take parental leave or reduced responsibilities at work after having a child. Instead, it measured only the effect on each gender group as a whole, so we're left not knowing whether the pay gap for motherhood is actually a pay gap for parenthood, affecting either parent who takes extended leave, reduces professional responsibilities, or drops out of the workforce altogether after having a child.
No one told the men to work
@@AM-vs6ff yet societis condemn them as useless when not working
@@AM-vs6ff no one told women to have babies
@@ezra5514 that would be both parents having a baby actually goofball that’s y’all’s problem y’all look at a birth of a child as a woman’s doing as opposed to TWO the man and woman having a baby it takes two to make one so start taking accountability
@@rocketman-766 that’s a projection of your inner insecurity that you’re making be the worlds problem
Unpopular opinion gender pay gap is misleading. Because women get payed less averagely does not mean for the same job. Different careers. More female breaks and men working more hours is the culprit. We need to empower women in the education system so they can reach higher in life and Men need to be responsible equally for hours work if both are full time workers.
pretty sure they could have used a better female icon than Hillary Clinton, someone self-made.
Bill Clinton didn't give Hillary her law degree, she earned it. Unlike Bill who was impeached for perjury & had his licence to practice law suspended, Hillary's career has been largely blemish free. Like it or not, between 1993 and 2017, Hillary Clinton was voted most admired woman 22 times ! So YOU might not think she's self-made or an icon, but America DEFINITELY does.
@@rahulkrishnan3352 I don't even think America does, otherwise she would have defeated Trump.
@@rahulkrishnan3352 Yep, I'm not personally a fan of her but you're totally right, she is a self-made badass
exactly. If someone else would be in this video I could send this to a few of my friends, but with Hillary... they would just not listen, and I would understand them
@@milenad.k.2238 Lol she is very farm from self-mad, getting a degree and practicing a law makes and getting most admired women doesn't make you a self made politician that she was in past 2 decades.
And lets not talk about the amount people(including women and children) that had to die because of here.
Yes Rwanda!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 Much love from a Nigerian.
OK Iceland, alright, I see you! 👏🏾👏🏾
One point to make: equalize the number of men and women in high risk jobs (which pay more because of the risk), and then take some stats. Does anyone else think that might close this gap?
Another point: My wife and I are expecting in March! I'm very excited to work with her to raise our child. My wife works feeding dairy cows, and I work on a farm. She is already struggling with her work in only the first trimester of pregnancy. I have taken on more responsibilities around the home that she shouldn't do, for the health of her and our growing child. I will have to work more hours to maintain the same level of income we have right now. Where is the equality in that?
Please understand that I'm not upset with my wife in any way because of this. We made this decision together and knew what it would entail. My wife is ecstatic and so am I! We don't think our views, or experience, are represented in this documentary because they don't fit the narrative. That narrative being that a difference in median pay, between the two sexes, is claimed to be based upon the fact that they're different and that's it. There is nothing negative about being a woman, or about being a man, that isn't derived from some sort of prejudice. My wife is an amazing and powerful person, and her singing is beautiful. That's not the only reason I cherish her of course, but it's one simple example. I don't look at her as just a woman, but as an awesome human being. She and I agreed to make the decision to have children, knowing full well what comes with that.
Life on this Earth is a team effort, whether it is between men and women, between races, or what have you. We should start acting like it, instead of fighting against each other because of generalized surface characteristics. Treat each other like human beings, and find solutions in disagreements.
They want equal outcome you know doctor being paid the same as a gender studies bum or computer science major being paid the same as person with a degree in fashion or political science
Women don't want them. Coal mining is 98% male. Ditch-digging is 98% male. Boiler making, roof tiling, open sea fishing.... all men, all dangerous. Women are predisposed to safer, more fulfilling jobs. Which is why 92% of workplace deaths are men.
They described how Rwanda prioritizes gender equality and I genuinely teared up. Wow. Just wow. 🇷🇼👏
amaizing :) just wait this madness is just begining and that gender gap will never be close just impossible i don't know any woman willing to work 80 hour + sacrifice social live or opportunity to have family and spend time with it .
I love my Rwanda folks !
So who is home with the kids in Rawanda? The few men left? Grandparents? Daycare centers? It praised the equality of women there, but this video was primarily about mothers, not just being women. It didn’t really clarify how working mothers are juggling it all in Rwanda, did it?
this was a while ago, the men numbers have been replenished, well relatively
@@MrCAHRLIE22 It is very interesting, do you mean nature fixed itself, as in, more male children were born to make up for the lack of males in the country. Is that even possible?
@@resegomatlakala6222 ha ha no i mean by default more men were born so we do have plenty of young men in rwanda
The nuclear family structure is weak to begin with. You didn't really see it popularized till the industrial revolution and people moving in nuclear units to cities. In most non-european parts of the world, child rearing is the work of the extended family and a community of family friends.
This video showed that men and women start the job with "almost" the same payment, and after having kids the payment gap starts between the two because women are assumed (by society and employers) to be the caregiver.
8:82 this is the issue, we wanted this video to talk about the gap between men and women without having any children, why women are being paid with 96% of every dollar for men, this is the main question and this documentary did not answer it
because no matter what some women will choose to have kids and leave the workforce, and there is still much to be done to promote women in STEM fields
Women on average are not interested in the sacrifice needed to be at the top of a corporation. Eventually they decide working less than the top performers, who are nearly exclusively men, is preferable to 16 hour work days and shrewd corporate politics. The pay gap exists because of the choices made by men and women based on their interests.
I think a lot of women genuinely enjoy that. It’s maternal instinct that women have.
"Choice gap good, pay gap bad."
"Let's close pay gap! good!"
"Let's close choice gap too, without removing the choice. Only consequences."
wait what!?
Fathers can't be mad if their baby's first word is "mama" and not "dada"😂
This is why I am not having children. Not only have I never had the desire to, but it holds you back in every aspect of your life. You aren't you anymore, youre a mother. Plus Im Latina, I'm already paid less compared to white women.
can we get a go fund me for this BAME
This is probably the stupidest argument I have seen in my life. Not having the desire to have kids is one thing but to think that a child will “hold you back” and that you aren’t you is just absolutely egoistic and it says a lot about how much ambition you have in order to chase and achieve your goals. There are so many empowering women who are both mothers and achieved what they wanted in life and they are still THEMSELVES. I won’t even comment on the fact that you use the fact that you are Latina as an excuse in some way...
@@aneliyashtereva4730 your comment is also stupid because you are assuming its a one size fits all, just cuz you know women that can do it doesn't mean every woman can, some young women especially those of color, not only have to support themselves but their families also, based on her unique circumstance, if she feels having a child holds her back, who are you to judge?
@@aneliyashtereva4730 stfu, talking out of your ass and making assumptions lol
Decipher Euphony Notations lol this is definitely not what I meant with my comment :D first of all being of color is not a reason to be backed down this is like saying if you are a person of color you can do this but you can’t do that based on your unique circumstances. Everybody is living their life with their own unique circumstances, with their own desires and needs. Secondly, I am not judging anybody - imo everybody has their own right to choose what they wish to do with their life, but definitely not use skin color as a way of excuse why they cannot accomplish their desires :) do whatever makes you happy
This is so misleading. The "gender wage gap" is really calculated by getting the median salary of all working men and women. Not even taking into account for work experience, work hours, not even the job itself. Different jobs make different salaries. If the gender pay gap really does exist why aren't more companies hiring women if they can save 20% compared to men? It's not that hard to transition your work demography to all women and you save a shit load of money.
bc "women are less performative then men".
@@x_jun_x biologically yes, for example there are way less bodybuilder women than men
@@onebot4257 And how do bodybuilders help in the stock market?
@@onebot4257 And "having"more or less in a specific section doesnt mean those who perform as a majority are better. For example there would be more women body builders if muscular women were considered beautiful in societies standards + sports were also taught tto women when growing up (like men grow up playing soccer and being influenced by parents to like sports more while women are influenced to like playing with dolls and etc). Im not saying women would perform better than men in bodybuilding, definitely not. Just saying there would be more if society would influence women to do it too and that it also has shit all to do with work. (except if it's manual work but nowadays harsh manual work has been replaced with machines anyways)
Women in sports just wouldn’t be paid the same because they aren’t as entertaining to watch
i think most men would actually love to be able to stay home and care for their child
IKR
Moe Lester actually there was a study, although it wasn’t published in a peer reviewed journal, that found that 60% of men used all of the paternal leave they were offered when their pay wasn’t cut
@Static i wouldn’t say its toxic femininity, i think men and women just look for different things in a partner. for example men often date up in looks and dont want to date ugly/fat chicks
@Static true but females tend to not care as much about looks as much as guys do. so a female might think a guy is average or worse as far as looks go, but still date them because of other reasons. men are much less likely to do the same
Why does nobody ever talk about the gender spending gap. That data would make your eyes water
I also think something that isn’t talked about enough is men who would prefer to spend more time as a stay-at-home dad. I have met quite a few men who seem to feel that they don’t have the choice to stay home and raise their children when they really want to. The biggest problem here for both men and women is that these set roles in society are denying them choice.
Too bad, I'm a man, I know the system. My wife is a house wife. I'm jealous as hell, but hay, the money has to come from somewhere. Too much regulation.
Men are biologically programmed to provide & protect. Exceptions happen (which is fine) but they don't change biological instinct.
@@Kurio71 exactly. This video does raise valid issues, but it only shows half of the story. The reason women are paid less in STEM jobs is the same reason men struggle to find jobs in early education. Social stigma.
@@Immadeus Very few men would be interested in early education to be honest. Also, try putting "homemaker" on your Tinder profile as a man and see how many likes you get, none. Women want the best of both worlds
@@Immadeus Why are women paid less in STEM?
The Equal Pay Act of 1963. Its literally been law for 50+ years.
Equality = 50/50 but there will always be a constant imbalance between things, if something is dominated by 70% of men it's not a good thing and something has to be done but when women start being dominat 80% is seen as a good statistic and no imbalance is seen. I think we have to admit that equality is something that will never happen. Thanks Netflix for providing us with this video.
There is nothing wrong if 70% is one gender if it is on MERIT. Do you care for instance that most firefighters are men? I don't. Do you care that most nurses are female? I don't. Both genders gravitate to what they are good at. That is what we need. COMPETENT employees.
You’re totally right. Many people fail to realize this.
That's right, let's get more women down into the coalmines digging for coal! Get more women up on the roofs to tile them! Get more women out on a fishing trawler bringing in fish!
And more men in safe offices as receptionists! More men in kindergarten classrooms! More men as office administrators!
Let's make that workplace death gap 50/50 instead of 92/8!
You know how we'd have to achieve that? We'd have to remove women's ability to choose fulfilling, safe jobs over dangerous, unpleasant jobs.
You just write up that legislation and let us know how you go with that, huh? Feminists still refuse to equalize the selective service obligation that falls exclusively to men.
If there were truly a pay gap then business owners would fire all the men and just hire women so they could make more profit. You can't just add up what men get paid and what women get paid and say there is a pay gap. That is dishonest and using fault statistics. To get the true statistic you must use the same job from the same state/area. Example would an engineer. To get an accurate statistic you would need to compare women engineers salary to men engineers salary. Also, due to cost of living a person would get paid more for the same job in California than they would in say Montana.
Read the studies and you’ll see that they correct for that stuff, it’s called methodology. Your comment adds nothing but speculation cause of your fragile self image. Have a nice day.
@@henkpiet1908 When logic and evidence doesn’t matter, attack somebody personally became your primary of reasoning.
@@henkpiet1908 eeewww ..... you must be fun at parties
Correct for that stuff?? What do you mean?
I used to apply for a backstage job back in my country and they told me they only want male as backstage crew (while I put all my previous experiences in related jobs on my resume, we even talked about those). They also suggest me to go front of house, which they only allow young female to work as FOH (a position only pay minimum by hour). The fact that those who interviewed my are both female are really sad.
Boy this barely happens
@@AM-vs6ff They said "back in my country", and didn't specify which country that is, how can you possibly know if it happens often or not? Don't invalidate people's experience without basis.
@@IvyCheang a local high occurrence doesn't negate the fact that globally it is a low occurrence...and depending on the what may also be justified. If you are 5'4" 100 lb male or female then maybe backstage heavy lifting isn't for you (as one example)
@@75ur15 Sure I agree with most of your first sentence, but my comment wasn't trying to debate on whether this is a common thing. It's not like any of us in the comment chain has the data on whether it happens often or not. When your friend tells you something bad happened to them, you don't react by saying that kinda thing doesn't happen. It makes them feel like you don't care about their experience. If you do have the data, then we can discuss on the facts. If not, then it's just an empathy issue.
@@IvyCheang it's an anecdote being used as data about a general case, so my response wasn't unwarranted for a random stranger on the internet, if this was a friend I was replying to then you might have a point
One extremely important yet, oddly left out of the video, is the Equal Pay Act of 1963 in the US, in 1970 in the UK, and most other Western countries. It has been illegal (and it should be) to pay women less for the same job based on their sex.
If a woman or a man believes they are being paid less for doing the same work because of their sex, they can file a complaint with the EEOC in the United States. Oddly, the EEOC sees less than 1000 cases per year on gender pay discrimination and less than 100 per year actually are valid complaints.
So, if all women, systemically, are paid less for the same work because they are female, why are there not millions of EEOC complaints filed per year? Anyone? Did I already answer my own question...
Because it's more complicated than that.
@@nanettej9760 Ok. Please help me understand.
@@nanettej9760 It is not more complicated than that actually.
It is that simple. You're just a communist who wants equal outcome, even if women work less.
The answer is simple, there is no pay gap, simply an earning gap.
@@agathachris9722 That is correct.
2 Women most over 60% love being at home and not having to work to take care of the kids .
There is great irony in the fact that Rwanda was used as a good example of women’s equality. They also say ‘Rwanda has one of the worst economies in the world’ directly after. A huge number of their men were genocided, so now women are a vast majority. As if that sort of society is one to admire, and as if women being paid better is worth the cost of hundreds of thousands of men. The fact that they focus on current women’s pay, and gloss over the fact that men were killed in huge numbers makes the reporters seem naïve and out of touch with reality.
They didn't gloss over that fact at all??
@@Polisciandfries They don’t completely gloss over it, but they way they talk about it disgusts me. They no joke talk about how a huge % of the male population died, and then 10 seconds later, they bring in the pictures of happy women, start inspirational music, and talk about how they make quotas for more women, now that the majority of government was women, when there were not enough men to voice their opinion on the matter to overrule or evenly vote on such a bill. Every picture of a happy woman in what was previously a man’s position should be tragedy to the viewer, it means yet another man dying for a conflict they weren’t responsible for. It mean Father’s and brothers who didn’t come back. Of course this truly, what I find to be truly disgusting video/series puts inspiration music behind it, and champion it for all the good things the female majority did without the men’s input or ability to say otherwise, because they were fking dead.
So iceland got closer to the gender pay gap by hamstringing men, why not make them take of more time so its 100%?
Waiting for Ben Shapiro to make his next Thug Life video from this..
Gtfo with Ben Shapiro lmao
@@lohengramm6969 listen to his show for one month then say that again
@@naroon5455
Lol talking fast and strawmaning is not a good way to debate the guy is a joke! Cant even get his "doctor" wife wet lmao
hahahahahaha well, wouldn't be surprised. Although I think this video had some points but it just reinforced what the 'pay gap' is. Choices made by individuals. And, what I think ben Shapiro would say, I don't think we need to pressure mums or dads to do what they don't want to do. Once I have kids (I'm a woman) I want to be the one to be at home with them. That's my choice - and it's something I look forward to. I don't think we need to pressure anything into changing a 'pay gap' because of choices.
@@lohengramm6969 funny I always see comments saying "He just talks fast and makes stawmans" but never back it up with any examples
"Women are expected to raise children" that's actually backwards. The vast vast majority of people, both men and women would LOVE to be able to stay home and raise their kids, but they recognize women are better at it so in a way men are willing to make the sacrifice to be away from their kids for longer for the sake of providing resaources due to the respect they have for the mother's caregiving skill. It is raising the child that is the more prestigious and sought after occupation. It's a disgraceful feminist misrepresentation to place a "career" as some peak of what people wish to do.
@Lucas Inglat Exactly. this glorification of "the career" as some great emancipator is asinine.
@Lucas Inglat Truth has a weird way of finding its way through so don't get discouraged. If there's any advice I can possibly give it would be to keep working on yourself and the rest will come almost by itself. And once it does come work hard to build it further. It's more satisfying than any job could ever be :)
Razomir nothing’s wrong with having a career. Some women don’t want to stay home raising kids. And not all moms are better at taking care of kids than dads
@@SubliminalQueen368 Mhm, now show me where I've claimed either of these.
I love rich women telling me I'm oppressed
A penalty for taking a few years off work out of choice - how unfair!!
not out of choice anymore if women didn't choose to give birth !
Welp, looks like we're not having kids, people.
The economy is doing this to us
Yea we hope you don’t have kids with that mindset lmao
@@682justin Oh no, you took it seriously.
oh word don’t worry you’re not alone. These people don’t know what they’re talking about, they just love big words like equality and shit.
@@mitigamespro8757 how is equality a big word ?
I wish this video mentioned South Korea, the world's biggest gender pay gap yet also the world's lowest fertility rate.
I (a male) was working at one office and a woman was doing the same job as me and she was paid more cause she was friendly with our boss and he got her a raise... so will you do a documentary about my case?
she maybe was more than frendly ... :D
Don't state a fact you will be tagged as misogynist. If men dominates college that's a problem but when women dominates college it's called empowerment.
@@fario4332 😅😅👍👌
They'll blame your boss now 😂 . And bro you gotta ask ur raise and if he rejects destroy his name and get outta that company . Read the book 48 laws of power .
She's brown nose that's why
I would love to spend time with my future kids when they are infants and so on.
Its weird hearing about men wishing it was the 50s so that their wives would stay home and be homemakers. My grandma was a doctor in the 50s. It was less common but not impossible.
It was only possible if the fathers and/or husbands alowed it. Not impossible, but very much improbable.
I understand u think it is weird however the reason we (men) want to do this is because we have a natural instinct to protect and provide for women and children, women only have this instinct for themselves and children, this makes it easy for a woman to resent a man for having to provide for him or earning more than him, it feels somewhat emasculating to not be able to do something that is so fundamental to your purpose, and it is even scarier to think we could lose the respect and admiration we want from our wives and gfs, which we all crave. peace and love.
@@40stryder03 is your masculinity that fragile?
Lorenzo Stewart “a man has no purpose if he’s not the provider” sounds like fragile masculinity to me....
@Lorenzo Stewart what aku tenshi said... And i hope you find liberation from your fragile masculinity some day😇
Society doesn’t put the same pressure on women as they do as men. Idk why women think it’s great. It’s terrible. It’s constant anxiety. A mans worth is entirely in his ability to create income and if you fail you are useless. Women don’t have that pressure. They have societal safety nets. Men don’t get that luxury so most men look at jobs and careers as survival. It’s not about getting a better lifestyle for men. It’s about being able to exist in society as a real person. The pay gap is 99% a women’s issue. Men aren’t trying to put women down, we’re just trying to make it and we have more to lose
@Valeria Loja
Safety net for woms that don't want to work.
Mn that are making good money. Because many of them wouldn't mind having a wife stay home just taking care of their homes while they work to make sure that she has a roof on top of her and food going into her mouth.
Woms call it discrimination. When they don't want to be the lone bread winner either. lol
In my job women dont want to stay and work overtime. They are the first ones that want to go home. Meanwhile as much as i am dissatisfied working there i stay and work overtime.
Which job do you work in
that has nothing to do with gender, that’s about being a corporate slave. enjoy
@@LoveMeanKitties yes i am enjoying my overtime pay. As i will retire early with all the etherium I bought early last year. The real slaves subscribe to a victim mentality like femenism. Enjoy 😉
Lol, this video is so biased. We've had 6-months long, 100% paid maternity leave in Poland since 1974 (the communist era). What a novel idea Iceland had a decade later. we still have it, by the way.
The point is that there they have the same conditions for fathers (paternity leave) as I understood
What about paternity leave?
@@allieb123 What about it?
Komasz Trymski Does Poland have paternity leave? This video doesn’t say the solution to the gender gap is maternity leave, it talks about paternity leave.
Yea, I had the same reaction 😅 That's same for all socialistic countries. In Czechoslovakia they had it since 1950, in 1970 it was extended it to 2 years, in 1980 to 3 years. Since 1990 even father can claim it, since 2001 the employers ar forced to give him If he demands. However only one patent can take the holiday, they cannot split, And as thé social norms expect women to be the primary care giver, they always discriminate against female workers only... We really need to change the norms...
I don’t have an argument here to add but an interesting story. Do with it as you will.
I work at a Fedex warehouse where we lift boxes. There are both nearly equal women and men that work there nowadays. Women frequently ask men such as me for help with heavy boxes. One day, one lady complained to me that there were men standing around or doing easy tasks like small boxes and bags while she was stuck with heavy boxes. Saying “I gotta do this and there’s men right there”. I said nothing and helped her. But I thought to myself and regretted not saying it, this is equality, you get paid the same, you do the same work. Usually the women are placed in easier work areas with smaller boxes, the same boxes that the women was complaining the men were working at. That is all. I’ve been thinking about it ever so often since.
Also: I am aware that women do have a lesser ability to build muscle than men. But the only argument I will include in all of this is that the only way to build that muscle, as I did since I first started, is to lift those heavier boxes. It seems some women use that as an excuse to not have to do such work. Im also aware that this physical labor is not easily comparable to office work but I just thought it was worth mentioning.
If women are paid less, it's not simply because they are women, but rather because, for various reasons, their male colleagues are seen as more valuable to the company in terms of work performance.
Every issue of discrimination seems to have the same pattern - Black v White, Women V Men, Caste System, Religious discrimination in India and possibly in other countries.
Yes! Systems of privilege work in very similar ways. I hope as more people start to realize this they will put less stress on being defensive when they are in the privileged group and realize that the system can be changed.
Yes you're right for noticing this!! Cuz it's absolutely true
It is not just this programme, plenty like some of the BBC programmes.
What kind of religious discrimination in India are you taking about, well except Caste System ?
@@ad2094 yes women should start checking their privileges
As a single man with no kids or ex, wife. I haven't had a pay raise in four years. My last pay raise was in sympathy because my roomate letft
I wonder how much Hillary is getting.
too much
According to Google Hillary Clinton's net worth is $45 million.
Definitely less than the average man ! 🤣
@@shakya00 You have over $45 million and you're average? Doesn't that make sense?
@@xhlcus88 r/wooosh
Shared parental leave wasn't available with my first and I got 2 weeks off. It was with my second and so I took 3 months off to look after with our 2. I loved it, the bond that was created with my second was so much stronger by having those 3 months.
People make out like men don't want parental leave/paternity leave. This isn't 1940 anymore, we like being Dads, give both parents 6 months leave!
I am a part time working dad, who chose to stay home to look after our kids, and let my wife earn all the money. My pay halved, but, The rewards of looking after you kids and watching them grow and become educated etc, is something money just cannot buy,.
exactly. there is more to life than work.
The inherent differences between men and women cannot be denied. It is better to perform one's duty properly from one's place than to calculate who is performing more duty or whose duty is more important.
Equality is not about standing on equal footing. It's about acknowledging each other's strengths and weaknesses and working together to fill that gap.
You don't serve same course of meal to a Bodybuilder and a lawyer.
So you don’t pay a man and women equally? Or you think society should be based on one gender having the upper hand when it comes to higher paying jobs and positions? Sounds like a shitty power dynamic
Equality is about giving equal opportunities of everyone disregardes of what are one's weakness and strenght is.
@@arrrrr1689 opportunities right? But why are people asking for same treatment even if they are not doing same work after getting the opportunity?
It's a reflection of female preferences. Women wont accept a man who earns less/doesn't work, but men will. somebody has to earn for the family, and the other has to take care of the family.
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This is why equal parental responsibility is important.
I have seen things in corporate. my team lead wanted male employees coz that way he can make us work for an avg of 17-18 hrs per day and do long hours in office. We were harrassed and exploited, doing long hours for nearly one year till I left the team. Even my team lead was putting more hours than us coz he has a boss above him and a client with a high purse holding. The whole team's health was having a serious toll on our bodies and psychology
That's a key argument. Society finds it more acceptable to slave drive men as opposed to women. I worked in animation and when deadlines loomed, it was the men that ended up working late nights and even sleeping in office and the women were told they can go home due to safety reasons.
Feminism would rephrase that that they didn’t have the opportunity to be pushed to work those 17 hour days because of sexism. Look at all the overtime men got to earn. Feminism can rephrase anything to make women the victims. Hilary Clinton from this video famously said women bare the brunt of war because they lose their husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons.
That's exploitation
@@acat9978 well that's a sad reality in most IT companies
@@anneb889 like how covid 19 kills more men but women are most effected, smh.
Never once in my life did I work with a female who produced as much as the male. When men and women are paid the exact same for the same job, the men are undervalued because they produce more.
Another way to put it. Women make more per effort than men, always have.
Golda meir was a female prime minister in Israel in 1968. She wasn't the president but in Israel the prime minister is more important than the president. Well before Iceland.
yeah same in India , our female prime minister Indira Gandhi was appointed in January 1966, which is more powerful place than a president in my country.
So in short: Women have children, work less because of it and get paid less because they work less. What is the problem.
They want more 😂
Why should women get paid less for having children but not men?
@@agent-a7818 He mentioned "...work less because of it..."
They work less and worse
Ah yes, so children affect the pay gap. It really is about being a mom vs being a woman. I think we women generally do not assert ourselves as much as men. But it mostly comes down to the delays due to being a mom. More often than not, the pressure is on the woman to follow gender norms. There are some pretty interesting points in this.
I disagree that more often then not ,the pressure is on the woman to follow gender norm,because it is actually pushed in both genders ,men also have to work and make sure that they can make enough money otherwise a lot of women will not think of you ,the pressure is in both gender .
The more freedom men and women have, the more likely both are to make life and career choices that fall within their respective traditional gender norms. It's called the gender equality paradox. There's no country where it's easier for women to combine motherhood with a fulltime job. Yet Swedish women still choose to work part time in massive numbers.
@@Omar-kl3xp A lot of women are contributing to funds and can secure their own bag. Ambitious women just want a man who had goals and can carry his weight and then some because in today’s age, you have to do more than just have income.
@@MGsubbie I’d be curious to understand the reasoning behind why that would be in Sweden. I’ll look into it. I think there are a lot of factors at play.
@@sassysledgehammer The most obvious explanation that gendered behavior isn't just taught, it's also in part innate. Not for every individual, but for the average man vs the average woman. And that part of this is that women are more likely to prioritize family life over career.
If the gender deconstructionist view is correct, there would be a linear correlation between gender egalitarian attitudes in society, and equally of outcome. But the correlation is a bell curve. My take is that strict gender norms makes women more likely to want to break free from those norms, and a lack of pressure makes women feel like it really is their own choice. At least, after a certain needed minimum of gender equality. (Because as I said, it's a bell curve.)
7:18 The solution to that problem is for both parents to split their parenting tasks equally,
but if one parent refuses to do so, then teach your child not to date a-holes in the future.
Great summary of the actual facts, I do believe there is one other factor that wasn't discussed though.
Men are often paid more in a role because they used family as a negotiation tactic. I know of many men that became the sole income in their family and therefore had to pursue roles which paid more. This often leads to companies offering an increased salary to keep the individual, understanding that the increase is due to family financial pressure on the employee.
I would assume there are also women who received increases in a similar fashion.
This isn't necessarily a bad factor, but it is worth understanding in the discussion as it is a valid reason why a man and a woman may be paid vastly different salaries for a similar position as the end income is split between 5 people, not 1.
@@unleashedbeast1459 u missed everything he was trying to say..
@@unleashedbeast1459 wow not many people would be able to accept that they are wrong(or at fault)! Thats actually really respectable my guy
I'm sorry, but can anyone enlighten me why Wage Gap is problematic in the first place?
No one is forcing women to negotiate less, or take maternity leaves or work lesser hours. It's all their DECISIONS.
Men are falling behind in academia with an Education Gap. Can we talk about that?
@@TOP0PERCENTthe gender gap also is something that will never became fully equals ,the Career choices ,the works hours ,kids ,maternity leave and negotiation ,gender role between men and women are all playing factors of why it exists in the first place and I don’t believe it will go away