Replacing Bike Battery with Capacitor II Lifetime Battery II
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- Ho friends to day I am going to show How to replace battery with super capacitor.Here I used five 2.7v ,500F super capacitor in series connection.
3-4 times self makes discharge the capacitor completely.
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Nice work! To people who are raising questions about viability of the idea - the idea is definitely workable, but it's a bare bones idea and it will need protection circuitry around it if it's to be used on a daily basis. For example, it will need a cut-off circuit to ensure the alternator doesn't overcharge the supercaps, raising the voltage to dangerous levels (dangerous to rest of the electronics in the bike).
Then to those who think the caps will discharge eventually - yes, that's correct; the caps will discharge faster than a battery. Much faster in fact. So the bike will need to be in regular use. Even in case the supercaps discharge, I am sure they can be recharged to the level required to crank, just by using a powerbank (10000mAh or such). It may need some additional electronics to make this adaptation work, but am pretty sure it's doable.
Supporting head-lamp and such when the bike is off - well, that's where this will have a problem. That's where practicality will suffer I guess.
yup... maybe adding a smaller battery. using the caps for starting boost only. vanguard is coming out with a "small motor" thats i think is using preloaded caps and no battery. so, "the future is here!"
It takes some days/weeks that the voltage goes below 1V....after that level it drops very slowly an need months to reach 0,9V.
If you Instal 10-12 pieces -> you have a lifetime akku
also definitely use 6 capacitors, not 5... the bike will kill it, because it charges lead acid battery using 14 or more volts.
Maxwell makes ultra capacitor battery replacement for all kinds of vehicles. Pretty cool stuff.
1) Due to the different characteristics of each capacitor, the individual exceeding the limit voltage may cause the danger of capacitor explosion. Therefore, the use of supercapacitors must have balanced charging management.
2) The total capacity of 4 units of 500F series capacitors is 500F/4=125F. In a 12V system, the amount of electricity that can be stored is Q=C*V=1500 coulombs=1500 ampere second. That is only 1500/3600=0.41 ampere-hour.
3) Due to the low internal resistance of the capacitor, it can supply a large starting current. If the starting surge current of the motorcycle is 150A and needs 2 seconds, the electric power required for each start is 150A*2S=300 coulombs. The storage capacity of the capacitor is 1500 coulombs, therefore it can only be started for 1500/300=5 times. The headlight and signal light needs 5A, this capacitor can only last 300 seconds if forgot to switch off power.
4) Generally, the battery capacity of motorcycles needs 7~10Ah. To calculate the equivalent electric energy capacity, at least 20 times the capacitance combination, that is, 4 series and 20 parallel (total needs 80 units) combinations are required.
5) Otherwise battery and capacitor working together is the best way.
hello. is this safe to used as motorcycle battery? for daily use and long rides.
@@DrewsMotovlogAdventures Please refer to my comment as above.
What if 4700 micro farad 6 capacitors 50v are used? And connected in parallel, capacitance will increase,
Can you please tell if this will work on old bike where only horn and indicators are in use.?
@@ajitpalsingh4484No. 6 of 4,700uF capacitors total only can make as 6×4,700uF=28,200uF=0.0282F. Too small.
@@Redogful how much uf r used in without self bike r used
Even if it worked once or twice for an emergency..im impressed..
What is condenser value
@@azmathullakhan9387 SuperCap: 2.7V/500f
As per Amazon: 800/peice
May be exponentially cheap in market🤷🏾♂️!
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Looks fascinating ! I wonder when in real life service , will it be as good and reliable as lead acid battery ? Let's wait and see ! Good video and thanks for sharing !
its usefull in kick start model only.. nice video..... congrats...
No matter it's work or does not work.. u tried something new that is the matter keep going on.
Plz incarage the people for their invention and correct it if possible
Encourage
Encourage people to waste their time of their life watching useless videos 😂
Tomorrow I will make a tisu paper please increase me yes this waste of time
Keep up the good work capticter people use them in solar system's to & in car audio that storage power that gets lost & saves all that power so your battery won't drain!!
First, the total capacitance of the series string is 100 farad.
Second, the voltage rating is too low to be safe. I would allow for some margin by using a total of 20 to 25 volts rating.
Third, the battery acts as a zener diode keeping the charge circuit in the 13 to 14 range. The capacitor has no such self limiting, so terminal voltage can rise much more than that safe level.
Fourth, there is nothing to keep equal voltages in each capacitor.
Fifth, the wire size is too small. Observe tbe size of the bike wiring.
It may have been a fun one time experiment, too many engineering rules have been broken to call it useable as built.
Right
But he did it and made the vid.
Right
Even old motorcycles have rectifier regulators
Leave it for 2 days than u have push start it. Super caps drains faster than batteries. Low resistance is dangerous it can immediately produce high Amps if any short circuit happens. Be careful and use a BMs
This video was like replacing your heart with a pet bottle, kindly change the car battery and do not use supercaps every time as it can over perform and kill ur machine, and supercaps are costly AF, and don’t provide good energy storage than batteries, mostly as good as a AA cell but will just provide more current, so kindly to use other vehicle appliance pls use a battery
It is better to use Li-ion Batt with 100A BMS
@@user-zl4cd2fs1v sir is it ok to connect 100,000 uf 25V capacitor on 12V motorcycle battery..? Is it free for damage on any parts of motorcycle..?
@@arnavgupta9107 got 6 of these from aliexpress including protection circuitry for 2/3 of lead acid battery price...
I hope this helps you very much. Keep building and keep making beautiful videos my friend.
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This is a useful tip that will soon break the regulator and CDI (or ECU) ... If you do not like it, this is the production method you want to recommend.
Exactly
Hope you have a kickstarter ! Your going to need one . I'll bet he has piston return springs in the engine as well. And possibly a MCAS too.
Dont forget to change the blinking fluid also...
Good alternative...nice idea.
Gr8 It Works Perfectly 👍
People Don't Know Charge Difference Between F n uF, 🥵
What is the difference..??
@@murtazarajput9248 U Google it
Know the Difference😁
Long driving in bike an capasitor blast..... ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️🔥🔥🔥
It can be used if ur battery died for only once and there is a emergency but to fix there is like u have pull a pin of a granate and sit over it
these work best on a motorcycle that has a battery, but does not have electric start as the only means for engine starting. I use a similar setup (5 X 350 Farad in series) for accessories on a street legalized kick start only motocross bike. (dirt bike does not need a battery to run) I added a light coil to the engine and the super cap is kept charged with that. its plenty for running a trail tech vapor, LED headlight, tailight/brakelight and turn signals. since I don't need it to be energized for starting, its the perfect thing keeping the headlight from flickering on the (pretty lame) single phase light coil.
Muito bom, parabéns!
Blast💥💣 caution while short circuit
Capasitor discharge very quickly ,,,,,it,s only work when engine is working you can use for light and horn because capasitor can,t save energy for long time ,,,,,,very min time current save in capasitor,,,
what the hell are you talking about...are you idiot. its super capacitor not ordinary one. it takes long time to discharge. it comes 500F not uf or pf. you must know about super caps then comment. its almost discharging time more then half an hour if it uses other it still charged.
Great do you charge it or does it hold juice for when ever you need it ?
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అవీ పేలిపోతాయి.
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What, if doesn't start in single self? It definitely won't work in second self. 🤗
Exactly
You could replicate the first 5 caps and wire both sets in parallel which might give it a bit more of a chance.
I always love indian bikes, extremely cheap in price and offer lots of facilities
Awesome Idea Bro👍
Real .wonderfull .perfect.miracle.
Ho ho you are brilliant man. Do you Still live?
I think he is not
Crash
भाई 1 घंटे बाद कैपेसिटर का चार्ज खत्म हो जाएगा फिर गाड़ी स्टार्ट नहीं होगी सब अंग्रेजी में कमेंट कर रहे हैं मैंने सोचा हिंदी में कर दूं
s सभी गाड़ियों में डाइनेमो लगा होता है , जो फिरसे बैटरी को चार्ज करते रहता है , जितना गाड़ी चलेगी , बैटरी का पावर खर्च भी होगा चार्ज भी होगा .
Mr.Right Thinker bro...dynamo use 20 saal pahle tha...aajkal alternator hotha hai...🤗
Raju M Y अल्टरनेटर भी एक डाइनेमो ही होता है , जिसे कम्यूटेटर लगा होता है । रिप्लाय मैंने इसलिए दिया था कि उस बंधू को समझे की , बैटरी चार्ज करने की सिस्टम बाइक में पहिले से ही होती है । इसी सिस्टम से कैपिसिटर रियलटाइम में चार्ज होते रहता है । तो उनोंहे कैपिसिटोर की चिंता छोड़ देनी चाहिए ।
Kya ye sach me kam karta hai kya
Mr.Right sir...magar bty 1000 mein mijatha hai... super capacitor 1k/ pc.. karke bolraha hai...tho finanancially its fail hai na... yes or no.. plz reply sir...and another thing that diff b'tween dynamo & alternator so much.. you can't say both are same...if reqd may i can gives full details about the same....have possible plz txt the capcitor price.. thn Q sir...
Battery start ke sath sath Horne aur light ke liye kaam aata hai... Mast jugaad hai....
nice idea, but Capacitors are discharge with in few hours. I think this idea is good for innovate new supporting device.
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Always use in parallel with good battery , battery life will increase by a year for sure. capacitor will provide instantly pulse of voltage to horns , indicators and stabilize .But not an alternative to battery .Capacitor cannot drove a load motor which will rotate entire engine .
Can you tell me how much capacity of capacitor to be paralleled
@@angelovicentelandicho3195 this entire setup
@@khelahoberifles832 dangerous they'll explode. The bike will be constant chargeing them to a extend that they go bang. He's probably only done it for views
very inspiring
because I'm still studying
Great idea really... but how am I sure that the capacitors will not overcharge as the bike's runs, or possibly, I should be prepared for replacing some fuses (if any) in the bike?
Good project
Ok lekin charging full hone ke baad auto cut off wala circuit lagana jaroori hai.... Woh usme add hona chahiye taaki capacitor over charge n ho
Running time use 12 volt bulb .
Tener en cuenta que la moto debe estar en perfectas condiciones de encendido pues con dos start que de en falso no la prende ni empujada
Use only super condensers,otherwise the charge will discharge soon after dynamo stops.
Can we use battery and capacitor both
@@technation4u995 yes
Thanks bhai ....,. time pass aur Paisa barbad karane ka purana farmula batane ke liye...........
Thanks bro
En Argentina 1 capacitor de esos cuesta lo mismo que una bateria. Asi q por ahorro es directamente inviable .
El mejor comentario! Todos hablando de ingeniería y no de relación precio. Argentina único país donde "hacerlo tu mismo" sale mas caro que comprar hecho.
Sucedio ayer, compre un cable para puentear baterias a $800, y para hacerlo me costaba $1700 entre 2m de cabe y 4 pinzas
@@182Nariz lamentablemente es asi! Y ojo con querer comprar barato desde china, entre lo que tarda en llegar (si llega) y los mil tramites para poder recibir, terminas dejando todo a la m...da.
por que las empresas de moto en ves de poner una batería , no ponen estos capacitores. sera por el negocio de las baterias o por que la carga que hay en los capacitores no duraria tanto como en una bateria.
@@alexisramirez4827 por lo segundo. No duraría tanto tiempo como en una batería.
We can use capacitor as battery as the video says. But we have to add some more components to the circuit. I’m using this capacitors for 6 months in my bike . Anybody needs more idea I wil make a practical video also
Can you explain
Can you explain
Yes please do make
Bhai capacitor charge hoga or discharge bhi hoga
Sir i want that circuit can u send me plz
very useful video,thank u thousand times.
Possible to use if kicked started, no way enuff current stores to run electric start more than very few seconds if at all...
Exactly
I have a 1.7 ah battery in circuit to give me a couple of tries.
Brother it's a super farad capacitor not micro farad. 6 capacitors need 6-8 mins to charge it. Anyone have knowledge of basic electronics can know that this works and it stores charge as well for long time.
Im afraid there's a possibility of capacitor blasting when vehicle is driven n high speed...
Guru
Please how to prepare 6volt capciter battery no of capciter required along with capacity please send me wtt details no 9009232408 alott of thanks to your technical notification and explanation technic.
You have to add the required voltage capacitors to avoid such problems
Gentlemen possibility of blasting of capacitors arises only in case of over voltage changing...
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I AM ALREADY USING SUPER CAPACITOR IN MY BIKE FROM 2 months its working ...and no problems to run on high speed
क्या आप बता। सकते है सर कोनसा केपिसिटर बेस्ट है
Happy to see this. But is it possible to replace the battery permanently. Shall we implement the same principle for bullet
Yes.👍
Need overload protection circuit to avoid fire breakout.
If your bike does not start in single spark you will definitely miss your battery. Specially in winter morning.
I totally agree
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My bike is a kickstart. The battery is long dead but connected. I have a 6800uF/50V capacitor connected in paralled to the battery. The capacitor supplies the current whenever I use the horn. Ive been using this arrangement for 6yrs now with no issues.
The capacitor does not get damaged as its rated at a higher voltage to the alternator.
When the bike is turned off the current in the capacitor is absorbed by the dead sla battery.
I am also planning to use 4700 uF / 50V capacitor parallal to battery. My battery is bad. LED work but self doesn't work. Horn also very low sound. So do you get mximum birghtness from LED, maximum sound from Horn after applying this method. I'm not interested in self start. It's meaningless to me.
nice idea thanks for sharing
I used a bank of 6 Maxwell 2.7V 2,700F in my Toyota corolla and my Mercury villager Minivan. They worked great. Well mostly. The issue is about holding charge.They would hold a charge good enough to start vehicle for a bit over 24 hours. Even run down to 11 Volts, would easily start vehicle. What you can do, is put solar panel(15 Watt) on dash, and in good sunlight, they will maintain full charge. Cloudy days not so much. I'm sick of replacing lawn mower and motorcycle batteries every few years. These capacitors are often rated for 1 million charge/discharge cycles. Yes, may have to charge them up before use, and they could cost 30% more than battery, but in the long run, will definitely be worth it. But what if motorcycle is out on the road, and capacitors get run down? Hate to be stuck. Use a small booster pack to charge them up. Maybe salvage some lithium cells(3.7V X 4) from discarded laptop, and momentarily hook them up and charge up capacitors. Use something to limit current to prevent damage. (light bulb)
Investing at least triple more than for a new acid-lead battery. Makes sense.
@@rafab2774 capacitors are cheap. I don’t know where you’re getting your price but it’s from the wrong place
Capacitor não explode na descarga e sim quando forem carregados com tensão acima da tensão normal que o dielétrico suporta. Cuidado na hora de recarregar os capacitores!!
Tem o problema da degradação dele também, é um dos desafios da durabilidade.
Ele também não explode pra voar pedaços pra todos os lados... Só sai uma fumaça e joga líquidos tóxicos pra fora.
E se inverter os polos
@@darkgamer6642 na hora de recarregar se for capacitores polarizados podem aquecer e explodir se forem invertidos os polos
I recommend using a 12 volt fuse to cut off the excess current, for safety
Nice change but how much does it last versus the original
Your Idea is good and innovative. But 2 times costlier than regular battery and also highly possible to explode.
I think this video title should be "Replacing the bike with Capasitor II Lifetime Replacing II" :D
To make this more safer, he should have connected 7 or 8 capacitors in series instead of five.by this, the current remains same but the break down voltage of the capacitors will increase there by making it more safer
7 x 2.7V = 21.6 Volt . Way to much ! and the Farad goes down instead 100F it will be only 62.5 Farad
It only contains 12.65625 Wh energy. It is a poor equivalent of a 12V 1Ah battery but the voltage drops more dramatically than you expect from the cheapest lead-acid cells. Practically you can't utilize more than half of the stored energy because the voltage drops below the operable level.
I have little knowledge in this area. But I see it is working. Why motor cycle companies not using this method?
Hahaa......so many questions....no words to answer.....
Correct me if I'm wrong.... That capacitor stores 12.5 volts to start the engine, the starter instantly drains the capacitor and it depends on the charging circuit to recharge the empty capacitor. What if the engine is hard to start and you have to crank several times, I'm not sure the capacitor bank holds any reserve power for repetetive cranking as in a engine flooded situation, or at an idle with accessories on and low charging system output, seems like the power would not be there. How does it continue to supply 12 volts for repetitive cranking, or to power accessories by itself if the engine is not running or idling slow?
you are right ,but the capacitance value is truly high , 500F is f*ing huge , but there must be resistor in series with capacitor so that the discharging time can be control , and yes it cant actually replace your battery completely perhaps it can provide atleast one self start cycle after that capacitor voltage may get down!! so it cant provide supply to accessories
@@pvs6044 what no. Of resistor sir?
Capacitor is used to crank ,you can still use a kick start.if capacitor drained no worry engine sparks uses magneto itself.
capacitor doesnt store Voltage. It stores Charge only.
The voltage Writen on the capacitor is about the dielectric strength of the medium between the platesq the capacitor is limited up to that voltage
Great idea.....its works i know very well ...
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But capacitor tends to burst when over chrage bro that may go wrong with life bro...
May be because of this he stood very far while starting bike i think 😂
Agreed
A short time later......He lost his leg!!!!
But only the right one 😁
Not only leg, may be balls too😀😀😄
Not only the leg and balls the 3rd part also.
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Que pasa si esos capacitores se dejan permanentes en la moto??? No estallan??? Les pregunto por que el Magneto le estaría metiendo todo el tiempo corriente una este encendida la moto, está muy buena la idea felicidades
En este caso aún q los capacitores esten recibiendo corriente continua...de la misma forma estarían entregado corriente constantemente a la motocicleta para sus diversas funciones entonces no existía el riesgo de q estallaran debido a q el principio de estos capacitores es precisamente ese son pequeños acumuladores de corriente ...q sumados en este caso estarían realizando la función de la batería...la batería o en este caso los capacitores serían el.lugar dónde recaería el voltage inestable algunas veces proporcionado x el Magneto ..realizando su función como acumulador y estabilizador además recuerda q a la batería se le entrega voltage y amperaje ..en este caso el voltage no aumenta pero si la resistencia a el amperage a recibir un el acumulador de corriente de la motocicleta ...espero te sirva de algo está muy breve explicación ...con base en los principios de electricidad y electrónica
No creas todo lo que se ve en internet los capacitores no pueden ser utilizados como batería almacenan corriente pero se descargan rápido
Capacitors would need balancing circuit board to ensure no damage to any capacitor by overcharging. It's better to use 6 capacitors with a balancing circuit board.
its good for emergency use only
Cascaded explosions in case of over voltages.
May not cause death but definitely damage of battery compartment or even fire!!!!
Hi sir I like this very amazing. One question whow to charging bike capacitor
Wow sangat bermanfaat
It is like keeping a bomb near to your tool box
It's very dangerous like sitting on landmine 🔥😭
What is the longest standbys time without alternator charging? The plates are too small to go long without charge. I prefer battery
5time 500F - 2.7 Volt in series is 100F -13.5 Volt (just the leakagecurrents..) and : F is Ampere-sec/volt : 100 Asec*13.5Volt is 1350 Wattsec or 22,5 WattMinutes or 1 Watt-hour...
No, replacing starting battery with capacitor is impracticable:
1- Only a few start with capacitors instead of number of times with bateries.
2- Charge leakage in capacitors, can't be prevented.
3- The required hi capacity capacitors are not easily available.
4- Capacitors r not rugged & easily deteriorated.
R u nuts u can get caps on ebay £3.69 each and can not change over 14v as bike regular wont let it and leaking power is minimal less than 0000.1 volt
@@leehemingway2597 agreed. But still best to couple those caps with a small battery to maintain charge above any parasitic losses.
Como vas con tu supercapbatery despues de estos meses? Va bien? Algun problema te ha surgido? Cuenta en que va esta conversion, ventajas y desventajas
What is a bms
Superb idea.. wishes
Nice thought bro I will work definitely?
Yeah, great idea, very immune to em fields.
Perfect apllication, no risk of fire o explosion, i'm sure that you can autocertificate that with a CE mark.
It's very usefull to find a capacitor with high capacity and then put in series to reduce by 5 TIMES in that case the capacity, a evil genius.
Please...
If this is for life time why companies do not give capacitors with them? Instead they provide battery. This is very dangerous and it's not for life time but it's life taking.
Amazing yr
BRAVO. GOOD JOB
Connect them in parallel with the main battery to save both battery and and them.
Agree👍
Dont forget about capacitor in series formoooollaahhh, their capacitance will drop man.., come on..
Yeah, he should conect them in parallel to get more capacitance.
@@ing.saulabellog.2191 Well them he Will lose voltege
One doubt. Here Capacitors are connected in series
so, as you know
1/C = 1/c1+1/c2 +1/c3 +1/c4 +1/c5
That means you are getting the effect of a 100 F capacitor only: Here 5 capacitors were used only to overcome the dielectric capacity, sacrificing the total capacitance.
Same effect can be achieved by using a single 13 or 15V 100F capacitor. Connecting more capacitorso this type in parallel will be more effective and more safer.
Well it's interesting who in Pune can do this pls advise
Good solution, but what if the bike is hard to start? Capacitors have too limited a capacity and no reserve charge. And what about cold weather?
I would like to ask
If the charger of the bike give continous charge to the capacitors will the capacitor blow/burst???
buy Protection PCB
When the capacitor fully gets charged. It does not get further charged as the voltage difference between charger voltage and voltage of capacitor becomes more or less equal as usually happens in constant voltage chargers
And there is no chance of getting over charged and the capacitor doesn't Burst.
But if the charger voltage is more than break down voltage (adding the voltage rating of the capacitors since they are in series) of the capacitors bank ,the capacitors may blast and even if anyone of the capacitors shorted, there's every possibility of blast.
In this bank he has connected 2.7v rated five capacitors in series which can with stand 13.5v from the charger. But if charger goes to high voltage then it man blast
Can be used permanently Wei causes any damage to the circuit.
Thanks
Perfec good job
Sir is this power rating sufficient for Royal Enfield bullet 500 2014 12v 14 ah battery type also? Which has to be checked for battery water levels. And top up etc.
Nice i am going to build it
In my diesel car, because petrol its dangeroud
Hi
Don't try this is dangerous because he didn't use management system for their charging if the voltage keeps on charging the capacitor pack it wil burst the capacitor and dispose in fire
@@Davidslabofficial Ah ok, thank you
@@gabrielvieira6529 not a problem
This supercapacitors 12v battery timing? How many hors 1 2. 3 hr?
My understanding...
Max charge storage possible with cap bank= c X v =500 x 5 x 12 =30000C .
Max charge storage possible with 10Ah bike battery= I x t =10 x 3600 =36000C.
Issue will be the voltage across the capacitor going down faster.Hence we need some switching regulator to boost voltage levels.
Bhai g mare pass 4700 uf. Or 50 v k capisiter h to ye 5 kam kar jayenge ya or jada Lagane padenge. Plz btao na
Do it and you gonna blow away!
2.7 v 3000 f price and video banado
Adventure riding have a new meaning.
Friend where to buy this capacitor ?? N what kind of capacitor is dat please mention d name
The capacitors may burst any time due to overcharge/ overvoltage. Not recommended for complete closed circuits. Be careful. Most of all it cannot retain the charge for more than a few minutes.
Capicitors always cut off suply when they fully charged so no risk of bursting of capicitors but battry is battry and capicitors is capicitors
I think they hold a charge for an acceptable time. Maxwell makes capacitor car batteries that hold a charge and start engines in cold weather better than the cold batteries do.