I remember listening to this on the radio with my grandfather when I was a kid. I was shocked but Gramps told me not to worry, Floyd would get him in the rematch.....thanks for taking me back so many years to this great fight.
Floyd was greater than Ali!!! I listened to fight with my dad and brother in the car outside Howard Johnsons restaurant. He was decency personified, and the peoples Champion!!! God bless you Floyd!!!
John Wayne was at ringside. He was talking with someone next to him at the precise moment that Johansson’s right hand dropped Patterson for the first knockdown of 7. Wayne didn’t see the knockdown. The next evening, I was at a wedding rehearsal and I said to World Boxing Hall of Famer, Young Firpo, “Johansson must be some kind of hitter to drop Patterson 7 times!” Young Firpo simply looked at me and said: “Yes … but he didn’t keep him down did he John!” His words were prophetic!
In those days when you knocked somebody down you didn't have to go to a neutral corner during the count. Patterson was clearly out on his fewet after the first knockdown and the fight should have been stopped then.
Bunk! Patterson didn't take the fight serious because he had a string of soft opponents. He also made the same mistake Louis made: dropping his left. He would not have made that mistake again.Watch the fight again. He is still on his feet after seven knockdowns.
Ruby Goldstein did an abysmal job of refereeing. Patterson turned his back after the first knock down. Clearly not knowing where he was. Goldstein let him get knocked down six more times after that. Ridiculous. Goldstein would be crucified on sports talk radio if he did that today.
Watching that match I have always felt that if Floyd Patterson had been able to survive the third round he would have been able to collect his senses and then later have gone on the win the match. Did you notice how quickly he got back up after going down for that seventh time? Johansson it seems didn't have enough strength in him to be able to put him down on the canvas long enough for the ten count.
Point well taken, but it's easy to say after the bout. Things happen very quickly in the ring,, and everyone back then wanted to give a champion an extra chance to defend his title. Archie Moore's incredible comeback vs. Yvonne Durelle happened less than a year before,a bout that could have easily been stopped in the first or fifth round. Ruby Goldstein was a top referee (and boxer in his day) but caught a lot of grief in his career for either stopping bouts too soon or too late. His ultimate nightmare was Griffith-Paret III.
I can say not many hw champs have had such wepon as Ingemar Johansson had in his right . He was never in the same class after this match he liked too much the good life, god or baid we dont know.
It should have been stopped after the very first knockdown. Patterson turned his back and was walking toward Johansen's corner. He had no idea where he was. The second knockdown should have been it. No way it should have gotten to seven knockdowns.
At 182 pounds, Floyd Patterson was too light to fight as a heavyweight. He should have fought as a light heavyweight. He always had a glass jaw when he went up against hard punchers.
You said it. I never saw him as having a glass jaw though, he was just not equipped to fight at heavyweight. The great light heavyweight Bob Foster got knocked out by heavyweights when he tried them too, but he was a destroyer and an undisputed champion at 175.
Props to him for keeping the belt for as long as he did. Granted, that entailed a lot of ducking. Practically blackballed Sonny Liston for 5 years before giving him a shot
You would never have made a business manager. Go back and look at what Light Heavyweights got paid. Patterson made millions as a heavyweight. He would have got paid half that as a LH. THe LH limit was 175 and he spent his heavyweight career from 180-200. He weighed more than Marciano. Should Rocky have been a HH too?
@@josephshields2922 I’m speaking physically only, but that’s not the only metric that makes fighters effective in their weight class. Patterson was a great champion. The first heavyweight to regain the title (Ali was the second), which is a historical feat. I was speaking to the fact that heavyweights were becoming exceedingly larger physically and in strength at that time, which becomes an inherent disadvantage regardless of skill level. That’s why weight classes matter.
I saw a fight where a middleweight got knocked out. he was flat on his back out cold, but his hands were still instinctively throwing punches at the air as he lay flat on his back.
Johansson was a one trick pony but it was a neat trick. He had one dynamite punch and would hide the right while prodding with his left. Once his opponent got careless he'd lower the boom. He bombed out several superior boxers using this method.
Howard Cosell refers to Johansson as a “boy.” Come on Howard, he was 26 years old here when he fought Patterson. When you are 26, you are definitely not a boy!
@@janswart2705 Cosell was the most obnoxious annoying fight announcer ever, going off on trivial tangents about something happened 5, 10, 15 years earlier somewhere in Chicago or Las Vegas that's got nothing relevant to do with the fight at hand, "you remember Houston TX Thursday November 10th 1954, when Klauss Darbie kod Sammy Samboni in the 9th round." God Howard is annoying.
And yet Johansson got this title shot by knocking out the then top ranked Eddie Machen in a single round the year previous. The following year Machen would go the distance with Sonny Liston and was the last man to do so before Muhammed Ali defeated Liston for the title. Boxing can be a cruel and unpredictable sport.
I think Liston would have beaten nearly everyone senseless. Ali in the first fight was just too agile/fast. I don't take their second fight seriously. Liston is a tad underrated in the greatest heavyweights of all time, even though he lost the two fights to Ali he kept fighting, had only 1 more loss in all his 16 fights after the two Ali fights. I think a line would have been put through his name for further challenges after the second Ali fight.
I hate how later on the refs started prematurely stop fights: When Sonny Liston got up from Ali's anchor/phantom punch after the ref finally got Ali to go to his neutral corner after ali was standing over Liston, when Liston got up he continued fighting, the ref knowing he had lost the count should've let them continue to fight, that was Sonny's first time being knocked to the canvas and Sonny looked confused while Ali was standing over him, he was waiting for Ali to go to a neutral corner.
That first shot he took from Johansson would have taken the wind out of anyone's sails, and getting hit by Liston was no joke either. He lost inside the distance once to Johansson, twice to Liston and to Ali on the basis of taking a couple of beatings, but no one else ever managed to stop him.
That is a myth that gets repeated over and over by folks not familiar with Floyd's career. Only ONE man ever put him down for the count and that was Sonny Liston. 1 man in 65 fights? Gass Jaw-I think not.
Patterson had a glass chin. Though he won the rematch by way of knockout, he was easily defeated by true heavyweights and just didn't belong in the heavyweight division.
Ha ha, I read a Ring Magazine comment from after the fight and it said "One thing for sure Patterson is no Joe Louis, He will not do what Joe did to Schmelling". Like to meet that guy.
What an age in which we live! We can be whisked back to another time and place in a way that that makes it so real. Brilliant stuff.
I remember listening to this on the radio with my grandfather when I was a kid. I was shocked but Gramps told me not to worry, Floyd would get him in the rematch.....thanks for taking me back so many years to this great fight.
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Floyd was greater than Ali!!! I listened to fight with my dad and brother in the car outside Howard Johnsons restaurant. He was decency personified, and the peoples Champion!!! God bless you Floyd!!!
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When I was 8 years old I heard this radio broadcast with my grandmother who is related to Ingo
John Wayne was at ringside. He was talking with someone next to him at the precise moment that Johansson’s right hand dropped Patterson for the first knockdown of 7. Wayne didn’t see the knockdown.
The next evening, I was at a wedding rehearsal and I said to World Boxing Hall of Famer, Young Firpo, “Johansson must be some kind of hitter to drop Patterson 7 times!” Young Firpo simply looked at me and said: “Yes … but he didn’t keep him down did he John!” His words were prophetic!
Nice job putting this piece of history together! Thank you.
My dad's favorite fighter was Patterson. His name was Marciano too.
In his book Victory Over Myself, Floyd spent a lot of time writing about how embarrassed he was and how he secluded himself and wore a diguise.
Althea Gibson in "The Horse Soldiers". She was such a great athlete.
In those days when you knocked somebody down you didn't have to go to a neutral corner during the count. Patterson was clearly out on his fewet after the first knockdown and the fight should have been stopped then.
OMG Howard Cossell? i didn't realize he went back that far.
Just great listening....Ingo and Floyd ended up great friends....
Excellent thank you Sonny
If Igmar ate less strawberry cheesecake and didn't train with his girlfriend he would have killed Patterson every time they fought.
I heard that also that Johansen didn't train hard and did a lotta socializing with his girlfriend at banquets enjoying the desserts
But he didn’t.
Agree.....
Bunk! Patterson didn't take the fight serious because he had a string of soft opponents. He also made the same mistake Louis made: dropping his left. He would not have made that mistake again.Watch the fight again. He is still on his feet after seven knockdowns.
The birth of the greatest boxing announcer of all time, Howard Cosell
Cosell is the color commentator, not the blow-by-blow announcer
Ruby Goldstein did an abysmal job of refereeing. Patterson turned his back after the first knock down. Clearly not knowing where he was. Goldstein let him get knocked down six more times after that. Ridiculous. Goldstein would be crucified on sports talk radio if he did that today.
Watching that match I have always felt that if Floyd Patterson had been able to survive the third round he would have been able to collect his senses and then later have gone on the win the match. Did you notice how quickly he got back up after going down for that seventh time? Johansson it seems didn't have enough strength in him to be able to put him down on the canvas long enough for the ten count.
Point well taken, but it's easy to say after the bout. Things happen very quickly in the ring,, and everyone back then wanted to give a champion an extra chance to defend his title. Archie Moore's incredible comeback vs. Yvonne Durelle happened less than a year before,a bout that could have easily been stopped in the first or fifth round. Ruby Goldstein was a top referee (and boxer in his day) but caught a lot of grief in his career for either stopping bouts too soon or too late. His ultimate nightmare was Griffith-Paret III.
I thought the same thing. Wasn't Goldstein the ref in the Griffith v Paret fight? why does he have such a good reputation?
High drama Summer 1959, amazing
I can say not many hw champs have had such wepon as Ingemar Johansson had in his right . He was never in the same class after this match he liked too much the good life, god or baid we dont know.
Great punch.
Extraordinary
Les Keiter one of r the best boxing announcers ever
It should have been stopped after the very first knockdown. Patterson turned his back and was walking toward Johansen's corner. He had no idea where he was. The second knockdown should have been it. No way it should have gotten to seven knockdowns.
His name was JOHANSSON!
At 182 pounds, Floyd Patterson was too light to fight as a heavyweight. He should have fought as a light heavyweight. He always had a glass jaw when he went up against hard punchers.
You said it. I never saw him as having a glass jaw though, he was just not equipped to fight at heavyweight. The great light heavyweight Bob Foster got knocked out by heavyweights when he tried them too, but he was a destroyer and an undisputed champion at 175.
Props to him for keeping the belt for as long as he did. Granted, that entailed a lot of ducking. Practically blackballed Sonny Liston for 5 years before giving him a shot
@@connshawnery6489 Guy wins the title 2x maybe three if you count the robbery against Ellis and you say "He was not equipped"?
You would never have made a business manager. Go back and look at what Light Heavyweights got paid. Patterson made millions as a heavyweight. He would have got paid half that as a LH. THe LH limit was 175 and he spent his heavyweight career from 180-200. He weighed more than Marciano. Should Rocky have been a HH too?
@@josephshields2922 I’m speaking physically only, but that’s not the only metric that makes fighters effective in their weight class. Patterson was a great champion. The first heavyweight to regain the title (Ali was the second), which is a historical feat. I was speaking to the fact that heavyweights were becoming exceedingly larger physically and in strength at that time, which becomes an inherent disadvantage regardless of skill level. That’s why weight classes matter.
WOW What a classic! Yes Patterson definately got him back with a brutal KO!Crazy how Johansson feet were twitching cus he got punched so hard!
I saw a fight where a middleweight got knocked out. he was flat on his back out cold, but his hands were still instinctively throwing punches at the air as he lay flat on his back.
He twisted his knee in the fall
Johansson was a one trick pony but it was a neat trick. He had one dynamite punch and would hide the right while prodding with his left. Once his opponent got careless he'd lower the boom. He bombed out several superior boxers using this method.
Yeah Johansen was like an early days Deontay Wilder
Howard Cosell refers to Johansson as a “boy.” Come on Howard, he was 26 years old here when he fought Patterson. When you are 26, you are definitely not a boy!
Frederick Rapp I think Patterson was younger than Johansson too
Better Ingo than Floyd...
@@MyVeryHappyDay I take your point.
A J Liebling called Johansson an "apple-headed boy" LOL
@@janswart2705 Cosell was the most obnoxious annoying fight announcer ever, going off on trivial tangents about something happened 5, 10, 15 years earlier somewhere in Chicago or Las Vegas that's got nothing relevant to do with the fight at hand, "you remember Houston TX Thursday November 10th 1954, when Klauss Darbie kod Sammy Samboni in the 9th round." God Howard is annoying.
Sonny Liston could have beaten them both senseless - at the same time!
And yet Johansson got this title shot by knocking out the then top ranked Eddie Machen in a single round the year previous. The following year Machen would go the distance with Sonny Liston and was the last man to do so before Muhammed Ali defeated Liston for the title. Boxing can be a cruel and unpredictable sport.
I think Liston would have beaten nearly everyone senseless. Ali in the first fight was just too agile/fast. I don't take their second fight seriously. Liston is a tad underrated in the greatest heavyweights of all time, even though he lost the two fights to Ali he kept fighting, had only 1 more loss in all his 16 fights after the two Ali fights. I think a line would have been put through his name for further challenges after the second Ali fight.
Referee should have stopped the fight after the third knockdown! Appalling refereeing!
I hate how later on the refs started prematurely stop fights: When Sonny Liston got up from Ali's anchor/phantom punch after the ref finally got Ali to go to his neutral corner after ali was standing over Liston, when Liston got up he continued fighting, the ref knowing he had lost the count should've let them continue to fight, that was Sonny's first time being knocked to the canvas and Sonny looked confused while Ali was standing over him, he was waiting for Ali to go to a neutral corner.
Patterson was a clever boxer but he had a ‘glass chin.’
That first shot he took from Johansson would have taken the wind out of anyone's sails, and getting hit by Liston was no joke either. He lost inside the distance once to Johansson, twice to Liston and to Ali on the basis of taking a couple of beatings, but no one else ever managed to stop him.
That is a myth that gets repeated over and over by folks not familiar with Floyd's career. Only ONE man ever put him down for the count and that was Sonny Liston. 1 man in 65 fights? Gass Jaw-I think not.
Patterson had a glass chin. Though he won the rematch by way of knockout, he was easily defeated by true heavyweights and just didn't belong in the heavyweight division.
Well, Floyd certainly paid Ingo back.
Ha ha, I read a Ring Magazine comment from after the fight and it said "One thing for sure Patterson is no Joe Louis, He will not do what Joe did to Schmelling". Like to meet that guy.
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