It’s a shame that this guy is so young, and his knee is basically shot. A meniscus transplant? That sounds very serious. Sounds like some shit you get when you turn 80.
@@Cardell15 its more so the speed at which hes been playing since a young age.. he never paces himself, he always wants to push the ball.. the key to why lebron been lasting is because he learned to play slower at times and give his body rest, then use short burst when nessecary.. most the speedy guards end up with no knees.. they enter the nba with knees and they leave without em.. "u can come over here but you gon' leave your knees over there" type shh
It's really hard to tell from the outside. There's some things that are in the person's control and some things are your genetics. Imagine Shaq, a giant who played at 350+ pounds for years, who never got really severe injuries vs Sean Livingston, a skinny tall guard who was quite young when he went up for a rebound and his knee tore apart when he landed. He needed complicated surgeries and was never the same.
I highly recommend all NBA fans to subscribe to this channel to go along with whatever streaming service you have to watch the actual games, and split screen them when something bad happens -- this dude is always on top of it before the player even realizes he got hurt lol
I had a menisectomy when I was 13 years old (orthopedic surgeon said my meniscus was so shot it wasn’t reparable). On some of my follow ups he’d always mention that meniscus transplants were an option especially since there was a higher chance of getting knee arthritis at a younger age but had a fairly high failure rate. Since then I’ve been super intrigued about them. This video was extremely interesting to me! Thanks for posting! It’s been 12 years since the menisectomy and my knee for the most part still feels great! I work out my quads and other leg muscles at the gym a lot and from my latest x rays/mris there’s been very little cartilage degeneration at all!
Would have loved to have seen Ball have a really productive 12 year career. That Bulls team sure looked good in the pre-season/first season with him and the other pick ups (Caruso, DeRosan, etc.). They looked like they were going to be the most exciting team to watch then down went Ball and Caruso that first season (with the Bulls).
@@cecagnadamn man sorry to hear that. As someone who loves playing pickup basketball more than almost anything and has also never had a major injury things like this are my biggest fear. If you don't mind me asking how old are you?
I’ve fractured my tibia, a closed tibia plateau fracture and I’m exhausted. 5 more weeks till weight bearing. I couldn’t imagine the pressure and pain he’s gone thru I don’t care how much money you have he’s feeling all of this. Praying for Lonzo to get to where he sees himself going. Thanks Dr! Great share as always!
I know he's been kind of a meme because of the whole BBB thing, but I really want this guy to do well; he is a great player and when he's on the court he shows what the hype was about (same is true of Lamelo too, I guess)
Highly likely that Ball will never be the same player again. Can't see his knee not responding in a negative way, if not to the surgery than, to the wear-and-tear of the season- or both!
I did not realize this procedure could be done. Hope it helps Lonzo have an opportunity to play again. On a different note, have you ever made a Kobe Bryant video on all his injuries, most of which he played through outside of his Achilles tear?
Ruptured my ACL 2 yrs ago playing basketball going 60% speed doing an up & under layup but never jumped off ground ACL tore when I planted my feet for the jump.Im 6"4 280 athletic build. It has been the worst 2 yrs of my life and im aging approaching early 30's. I got hamstring graft with 4 screws. I've been on and off with therapy but does not feel same like I have 2 different legs. I can get my bounce up like I can still jump high but running and cutting gives me problems im hoping after 3 yrs of off and on physical therapy will be fine. But you literally have to do some form of physical therapy for both your knees everyday.
Worth adding severe meniscus injuries present a huge treatment gap in orthopedic medicine. I was hopeful the Nusurface Implants would solve this and honestly I think they are pretty good. But they couldn’t crack how to make a lateral meniscus implant due to anatomy and biomechanics . To the best of my knowledge they gave up on collagen scaffold graphs because they only succeeded like 20% of the time and you need to have remaining tissue to anchor it. MAT procedures have been successful in decreasing pain post meniscectomy but the data on joint preservation is unclear. Not to mention the joint space required. I have heard of people having osteotomies to restore the joint space for a implant. At the end of the day though if you already have defects of the articulate cartilage you are putting a rough surface on a smooth one.
I'm a professor in a medical school. Important detail: cartilage transplants, unlike organ transplants, do not require lifetime immunosuppressant therapy. There are not cells in cartilage, so your body will not attack them. Similar to cornea transplants. In contrast, organ transplants require a serious load of medications for life.
“There are not cells in cartilage, so your body will not attack them” - There are cells in cartilage called chondrocytes. With respect to cornea transplants, per AAO, “All cornea transplant patients use a topical corticosteroid as local anti-rejection treatment. This may be for a long period of time or may be stopped after a year or more depending on the type of transplant performed. In high-risk cornea transplant cases, oral immune suppression therapy may be added to the topical therapy.”
@@armaletalia3254 It’s not that there are no cells in cartilage; it’s that cartilage cells are (relatively) isolated from immune system cells: “Cartilage is an ‘immunoprivileged’ site in the body. Immunoprivileged means without lymphatic or blood vessels, so it’s isolated from the immune system and extremely unlikely to cause rejection. Cartilage transplant patients do not need to take immunosuppressive drugs (which are typically required to prevent rejection in other types of organ transplants).” Now, that’s from a surgeons’ website so YMMV. The classical immunoprivileged organs are eyes, testes, and placenta/fetus (which the mother’s immune system does not reject despite being a genetically distinct organism). Cartilage is newer, and maybe less definitively, on the list. But, i think the truth is all organs are on a spectrum of “privilege” when it comes to transplants: Yes, some minority of cornea and cartilage transplants may require long doses of immunosuppression, but the risks of rejection are on the other other end of the scale compared to hearts or kidneys, which are located at the core of the body, flooded with blood and lymph going everywhere.
Your not a professor at a medical school 😂😂😂 stop lying on YT and go back to making them glizzys at QT and washing that parking lot so when I gas up my big diesel truck everything will be clean.!
I may have misunderstood your statement but I know of no body parts without cells. Except for hair nails that are basically keratinocytes that once were cells. So for the meniscus, also cartilage read the following and kindly explain what you mean. “Chondrocytes. The chondrocyte is the resident cell type in articular cartilage. Chondrocytes are highly specialized, metabolically active cells that play a unique role in the development, maintenance, and repair of the ECM.
As an organ donation coordinator I found this extremely interesting. I have seen 1 tissue recovery and it’s pretty brutal to watch honestly but knowing that tissue donation from one person can change the lives of hundreds of people makes it worth it to me. Glad Zo got selected to have this surgery and I hope it will help him and others in the future as we learn more about what these surgeries can do and how to improve them. As always thank you Doc for another educational opportunity.
man i loved this guys game, he brought so much more than just scoring to the team. sad to see where he’s at now. i really hope he can get back on the court
I remember when I tore my ACL and lateral meniscus, I had the option to do the allograft. I chose against it because it was from a foreign body and I didn’t want my body to reject it. Instead I chose the patellar tendon graft. And my lateral meniscus was essentially stitched back together.
Doctor can you explain to me how was d wade played without one since college? He never once complained about knee issues. Played 15 years at high HOF level
Likely comes down to genetics, luck, and dwade had a great peak but he fell off quick which was one of the reasons LeBron left (wade began to have knee issues). Also, dwade was able to rely on his post game and using strength to get spacing outside of this driving and layup abilities which may have helped him be effective. That all said, I and many others distinctly remember thinking dwade won't be the same after they lost to the spurs.
I’m definitely not qualified to professional but this sounds a lot more hopeful then the “bone graphs”, I wanna see Lonzo make history with the advancements in medical field, it’s beautiful timing.
I wish him the best, I had to retire early from playing from worn cartilage behind my kneecap, i was always told a transplant wouldn’t work but hopefully it can work for his meniscus 🙏🏾
Joel Embiid also got a meniscus removal, & judging by how Lonzo's career is going with his meniscectomies, doesn't look like the rest of Embiid's career will end up any different than Lonzo's unfortunately.
@@ulisesmartinez251 he may have to be autoimmune suppressives for the rest of his life or for a while so hell be pretty susceptible to illnesses and diseases and sht like that
We can do heart transplants, lung transplants and such with some success. Cartilage is tough as there is no (little) circulation to grow and nourish the cartilage cells.
Hey doc can you do a video on split pec tendon transfer for serratus anterior palsy I had this surgery done and I feel like I’ve lost my athleticism what is the outlook for this surgery and return to sport outcomes
Great episode, putting all this in perspective. What he didn't talk about is transplant rejection. I would be much concerned about that with the method where they transplant even part of the bone, same with cartilage transplant that sits directly on a bone that is very well supplied with blood. Do they need to take anti-rejection-medication like other transplant recipients? The meniscus by itself - well matched - might be tolerated better since there is no blood supply to it. But how long does it last? What about that knee in 10, 20, 40 years? It's a heart breaking ...
Derrick Livley got caught karl anthony towns knee to the soft spot on the back of his head near the top of his spine. Liveley was falling down while karl was jumping up. I doubt Livley comes back tonight if it was as hard as it looked, he was down for probably 5 minutes. Ouch!!!!!!
Good thing about zo is the last season he played he changed his game to just a spot shooter and play making. He hasnt been dunking and all that so I hope he plays more
people who never had acl or meniscus injury wouldnt know the pain. you literally cant sleep or take a step without pain. anytime you want to get up from a seat or from your bed the pain was ridiculous. every injury is a bad injury but knee related was something else for me. relearning how to walk is really humbling. i never had fractured rib cage but i heard that is the worst possible tear you could get.
Yikes, I feel for Lonzo. I’ve had a torn meniscus in my left knee, and in the right knee a bilateral torn meniscus, I’ve also suffered with inner thigh cramps, plantar fasciitis, Mortons toe. These things kept me in intense pain for around ten years, with inner thigh cramps being really really painful and bilateral torn meniscus being the absolute worst.
Lonzo was getting PRP injections when he was only 19, after his rookie year on the Lakers. Got to assume that was a bad sign right there. Turns out there was a reason the Pelicans didn't want to stake their future on him.
It sucks watching a players career from the HS level just fall off a cliff from injuries... The one positive thing to look at is when he was healthy, he averaged 12 points per game. He was a good 3 point shooter on a about 6 attempts a game. As long as his knee is functional he can still comeback to hit some 3s, run an offense as he was always a pass forward guard(Not a scorer) & play servicable defense. Hoping he can get back to some level of Lonzo Ball basketball.
Hey doc ? You think you could make a video on Luka Doncic knee injury ? He seems to be always bleeding and going through some pain any thoughts what it could be ?
I got one of these after having 5 knee surgeries. 5th surgery they removed my meniscus and the 5th one they gave me a meniscus from a doner. I’m about 8 months out of surgery and idol pain is much better. But range of motion, strength and flexibility are very limited. I also. Have pain when running that I dint have before.
i miss lonzo on the court and im a spur fan. that bulls team was a fun watch they aint remotely the same without him. his defense and passing was elite. If he was 100% id take him on the spurs in a heartbeat
Since he had these operations....basketball might not seem like something to return since there might be a greater risk of reinjury. Figured PRP would help with filling in from where there were defects in the cartilage.
I have a meniscus tear. Imho, it’s the worst. If you don’t rehab it correctly and keep playing on it, the tear continues and cause so many issues. Athletes want to get back to playing asap which pressures them to do many things too soon including “removing” which is the worst. Want to see zo back on the court. I feel for zo 🙏. Sounds like he may need tkr in the future.
Not ingesting dairy products is paramount in further damage cartilage and bones. Not ingesting meat and animal products also drastically reduces inflammation in the joints. It would be good if possible for Doc to also include some science on the impact of eating on these injuries.
This surgery should really just be a bridge to try to keep him "active" until he is old enough for total knees that will get him to the finish line still walking. If he is not careful, he could have real problem if he requires total knees at too young an age and is left immobile in later years when he can't have more revisions and the totals are shot.
As a 24 year old who had a history of sports related meniscus injuries and eventually a transplant at 21, I can attest that my knee isn’t the same as it once was, but I’m still highly active (obviously not on the level of a pro, but I can lift, run, and live normally). As a medical student, the meniscus doesn’t have much blood flow, so that’s part of why there is no need for immunosuppressive medication. I think it’ll be interesting to see a professional athlete progress through this injury, and hopefully he can get back to being a great basketball player!
You mentioned the two primary techniques for meniscus transplantation. I assume graft-versus-host issues are minimal for both types due to the low immunogenicity of the tissues, which is likely attributed to their avascular nature. Is this correct?
Rite tho my mom had her meniscus repaired it was painful because it’s inside the knee ur meniscus is between the two leg bones it’s a cushion between the two bones jus him explaining it makes u say oww!! Hope I never tear mine it took my mom time to recover from this surgery
So, an athlete is told by a doctor he has a brand-new knee, and he isn't supposed to think he can play at a preinjured level again. An athlete's brain isn't built that way.
I see Lonzo as another brandon Roy too many surgeries now he has a new meniscus , just pack it up. I understand he wants to play but his health over playing. He’s been gone for three years. Just live life healthy stop forcing yourself trying to get back into the league . Next time something happen might be his last
Its not so easy to give up your whole life. He's a great player and if his knee does get better it will also mean like 50-100 million dollarydoos. Why not do everything you can first?
agreed he's good financially just enjoy life. a meniscus transplant is weaker and has a high rate of re tearing. Factor in one of the most high impact sports like bball the writing is on the wall. maybe he wants a swan song season to prove some haters and leave the game on his terms. be a role player with limited minutes and call it quits at the end of the season.
He's been preparing his whole life for the league. The kind of man to make the NBA is not the kind of man who will just lay down if they have an opportunity. He's still under contract and wants to fulfill it. He could be this era's Shaun Livingston
Dr Sutterer, Thank you for your videos and this one in particular. It is empowering to have medical information presented in a clear and concise manner. One question, would someone who underwent a meniscus transplant require anti-rejection therapies/immunosuppressants? How would that compare to a knee replacement? thanks :).
I tore my acl and both sides of my meniscus didn’t get surgery for 2 years 7 months becuase of things out of my control I say this becuase they told me they can’t do meniscus transplants on people who have the artirile cartilage cartilage ( the cartilage on bone humerus ) so I’m suprised he got this but ya I’m 19 and man I feel for anyone who has knee pain or just any joint pain in general people don’t know true pain till there in it
I'm a donor recipient. I have an implanted ACL. My leg was too wrecked at the point that I eventually tore my ACL, that they couldn't harvest tissue from my hamstring or patellar tendon. I am gutted for Lonzo. His story is so sad. I was never a professional athlete by any means, but I was a very active rec player in various sports. I've suffered many injuries dating back to middle school including tearing my achilles 3x. Your body eventually just can't do it any more. We all know this but it's sad when an athlete's career is cut so so short. Makes you wonder how much these brothers went through. What was really happening out there? Just asking...
Have you ever done a video on Ronaldo Fenonemo knee injury when he played for Inter Milan? People usually say that his knee literally exploded inside because he tore everything in it
I had 70% of the cartilage of both of my knees taken out, one at the age of 15 and the other at 17. When I got the second done (back in 2001) my surgeon said to me if I kept doing the amount of exercise I was doing (which was state level basketball at the time) I would need knee replacements by the age of 35-40, so I quit, stopped playing all sports, then 10 years later I played a little bit of ball again (because my knees felt good still), I snapped my left achilles which told me to not try to play anymore. I'm nearly 40 years old now and haven't had knee replacements yet but they do crack a lot and feel quite sore on some days. Taking CBD oil the last 2 years has really helped make them feel better and far less days of soreness. So yeah I can't imagine Lonzo coming back and being able to play without a very sore future of not being able to walk properly in his life after the game.
Wow, so you had 70% of both menisci taken out in both knees? There are 2 meniscus in each knee so that would be pretty crazy. Usually people just tear one meniscus at a time..
@@kqh123From what the surgeon told me, he said I had 70% of all the cartilage in each knee joint taken out. Left knee when I was 15 and the right knee when I was 17. With my right knee the cartilage got caught in the knee joint as I bent my knee in a running motion in game, then when I straighten my leg/knee joint the cartilage flip on itself getting jammed in the front of my knee joint, making it so I couldn't straighten my leg until I had surgery. The outter part of the knee joints is where I still have some cartilage left. I used to play a lot of basketball and Australian football when I did both knees.
@@Mike_Benz_ that's crazy man. It sounds like you had a bad bucket handle tear, or something worse, at least with the basketball injury. I've had a meniscus issue for almost 3 years. Still have pain, and will possibly be going in for a 3rd surgery on it. I'm also looking at doing a meniscus transplant (similar to Lonzo). It sounds like you're not doing amazing, but pretty good with your knees. How was the mental side of your injury?
@@kqh123 As crazy as it sounds, it doesn't feel crazy as its just a part of my life. At first I was very disappointed as I wanted to be a Professional Basketballer, but at the same time I was really loving my journey of starting to make music, which I started at 16, so that occupied me mentally and made me feel like I had something else I really enjoyed, and then Audio became my world. You should looking into trying to heal your knees naturally, I've heard it can be done if you have slight tears, it takes a long time but it is a matter of doing things that promotes blood flow to the area for healing. I've heard it can be done. Worth looking into. I'm doing alright to be honest, I thought my knees would be much worst at my age, so I thank God I am still able to run and move around freely. Some days they might feel a little tender in the joint, but most of my pain is in the left quadricep tend (above the knee cap) and behind the left knee cap from the knee grinding and popping. Doing body weight exercise to keep the quads strong really help this, and also squatting right down in the shower with hot water running on my knees really helps the tendons feel better. Also my right hip became sore and would sort of get locked and then pop, but I started doing stationary movement exercises which really help my right hip to the point it feel nearly back to normal. Like I said CBD oil has also really help.
It’s a shame that this guy is so young, and his knee is basically shot. A meniscus transplant? That sounds very serious. Sounds like some shit you get when you turn 80.
Bad surgeries can do that to you.
Tore mine at 16 and had a complete menisectomy. I have pretty sever arthritis at 25 it’s bad news
I think his dad worked him out too hard growing up. Now he's paying for it.
@@Cardell15 its more so the speed at which hes been playing since a young age.. he never paces himself, he always wants to push the ball.. the key to why lebron been lasting is because he learned to play slower at times and give his body rest, then use short burst when nessecary.. most the speedy guards end up with no knees.. they enter the nba with knees and they leave without em.. "u can come over here but you gon' leave your knees over there" type shh
It's really hard to tell from the outside.
There's some things that are in the person's control and some things are your genetics.
Imagine Shaq, a giant who played at 350+ pounds for years, who never got really severe injuries vs Sean Livingston, a skinny tall guard who was quite young when he went up for a rebound and his knee tore apart when he landed. He needed complicated surgeries and was never the same.
I highly recommend all NBA fans to subscribe to this channel to go along with whatever streaming service you have to watch the actual games, and split screen them when something bad happens -- this dude is always on top of it before the player even realizes he got hurt lol
HAHAHAH! Yeah fr, he been quick as hell with his drops
This dude?🤣It's Brian my man!
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Thats kinda weird but ok bro
I had a menisectomy when I was 13 years old (orthopedic surgeon said my meniscus was so shot it wasn’t reparable). On some of my follow ups he’d always mention that meniscus transplants were an option especially since there was a higher chance of getting knee arthritis at a younger age but had a fairly high failure rate. Since then I’ve been super intrigued about them. This video was extremely interesting to me! Thanks for posting! It’s been 12 years since the menisectomy and my knee for the most part still feels great! I work out my quads and other leg muscles at the gym a lot and from my latest x rays/mris there’s been very little cartilage degeneration at all!
How many points did you have in your last game?
@@TakeaSwigofTheJuice lol
@@TakeaSwigofTheJuice The real question 😂 if he was good or not
Would have loved to have seen Ball have a really productive 12 year career. That Bulls team sure looked good in the pre-season/first season with him and the other pick ups (Caruso, DeRosan, etc.). They looked like they were going to be the most exciting team to watch then down went Ball and Caruso that first season (with the Bulls).
I recently tore my ACL with some meniscus damage as well and this channel has been a godsend
What did you learn
@@PhenomRom Knee anatomy and prognoses
How did you tear your ACL?
@@Antbition305 I was jogging on a path and some cyclist fell in front of me. I stopped abruptly to avoid trampling him and tore my ACL
@@cecagnadamn man sorry to hear that. As someone who loves playing pickup basketball more than almost anything and has also never had a major injury things like this are my biggest fear. If you don't mind me asking how old are you?
I’ve fractured my tibia, a closed tibia plateau fracture and I’m exhausted. 5 more weeks till weight bearing. I couldn’t imagine the pressure and pain he’s gone thru I don’t care how much money you have he’s feeling all of this. Praying for Lonzo to get to where he sees himself going. Thanks Dr! Great share as always!
I know he's been kind of a meme because of the whole BBB thing, but I really want this guy to do well; he is a great player and when he's on the court he shows what the hype was about (same is true of Lamelo too, I guess)
Also, don't forget that the BBB shoes most likely played a major role in causing his injuries
@@anthonythomas stop it
Melo is on a different level than Lonzo at this point but he can’t stay on the court either
@@anthonythomasthats so dumb. If that was the case, everyine back in the day when cats were wearing chucks and bullshit shoes back then.
@@anthonythomas😂
Highly likely that Ball will never be the same player again. Can't see his knee not responding in a negative way, if not to the surgery than, to the wear-and-tear of the season- or both!
I hope he recovers well, he is a good man.
I hope so too
Docs control with a mouse to make such beautiful lines is tremendous to see.
I’m convinced it has to be a stylus/mouse it has to be one of those hybrid ones. It has to be
I did not realize this procedure could be done. Hope it helps Lonzo have an opportunity to play again. On a different note, have you ever made a Kobe Bryant video on all his injuries, most of which he played through outside of his Achilles tear?
Ruptured my ACL 2 yrs ago playing basketball going 60% speed doing an up & under layup but never jumped off ground ACL tore when I planted my feet for the jump.Im 6"4 280 athletic build. It has been the worst 2 yrs of my life and im aging approaching early 30's. I got hamstring graft with 4 screws. I've been on and off with therapy but does not feel same like I have 2 different legs. I can get my bounce up like I can still jump high but running and cutting gives me problems im hoping after 3 yrs of off and on physical therapy will be fine. But you literally have to do some form of physical therapy for both your knees everyday.
Worth adding severe meniscus injuries present a huge treatment gap in orthopedic medicine. I was hopeful the Nusurface Implants would solve this and honestly I think they are pretty good. But they couldn’t crack how to make a lateral meniscus implant due to anatomy and biomechanics . To the best of my knowledge they gave up on collagen scaffold graphs because they only succeeded like 20% of the time and you need to have remaining tissue to anchor it. MAT procedures have been successful in decreasing pain post meniscectomy but the data on joint preservation is unclear. Not to mention the joint space required. I have heard of people having osteotomies to restore the joint space for a implant. At the end of the day though if you already have defects of the articulate cartilage you are putting a rough surface on a smooth one.
Dude is dressed like Dr.Evil 😂😂
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One million dollars lmao 🤣
I'm a professor in a medical school. Important detail: cartilage transplants, unlike organ transplants, do not require lifetime immunosuppressant therapy. There are not cells in cartilage, so your body will not attack them. Similar to cornea transplants. In contrast, organ transplants require a serious load of medications for life.
“There are not cells in cartilage, so your body will not attack them” - There are cells in cartilage called chondrocytes.
With respect to cornea transplants, per AAO, “All cornea transplant patients use a topical corticosteroid as local anti-rejection treatment. This may be for a long period of time or may be stopped after a year or more depending on the type of transplant performed. In high-risk cornea transplant cases, oral immune suppression therapy may be added to the topical therapy.”
@@armaletalia3254 It’s not that there are no cells in cartilage; it’s that cartilage cells are (relatively) isolated from immune system cells:
“Cartilage is an ‘immunoprivileged’ site in the body. Immunoprivileged means without lymphatic or blood vessels, so it’s isolated from the immune system and extremely unlikely to cause rejection. Cartilage transplant patients do not need to take immunosuppressive drugs (which are typically required to prevent rejection in other types of organ transplants).”
Now, that’s from a surgeons’ website so YMMV. The classical immunoprivileged organs are eyes, testes, and placenta/fetus (which the mother’s immune system does not reject despite being a genetically distinct organism). Cartilage is newer, and maybe less definitively, on the list. But, i think the truth is all organs are on a spectrum of “privilege” when it comes to transplants: Yes, some minority of cornea and cartilage transplants may require long doses of immunosuppression, but the risks of rejection are on the other other end of the scale compared to hearts or kidneys, which are located at the core of the body, flooded with blood and lymph going everywhere.
Why the hell are artificial meniscus not a thing then? There must be some polymer that would be suitable.
Your not a professor at a medical school 😂😂😂 stop lying on YT and go back to making them glizzys at QT and washing that parking lot so when I gas up my big diesel truck everything will be clean.!
I may have misunderstood your statement but I know of no body parts without cells. Except for hair nails that are basically keratinocytes that once were cells.
So for the meniscus, also cartilage read the following and kindly explain what you mean.
“Chondrocytes. The chondrocyte is the resident cell type in articular cartilage. Chondrocytes are highly specialized, metabolically active cells that play a unique role in the development, maintenance, and repair of the ECM.
As an organ donation coordinator I found this extremely interesting. I have seen 1 tissue recovery and it’s pretty brutal to watch honestly but knowing that tissue donation from one person can change the lives of hundreds of people makes it worth it to me. Glad Zo got selected to have this surgery and I hope it will help him and others in the future as we learn more about what these surgeries can do and how to improve them. As always thank you Doc for another educational opportunity.
That is how my knee is. I know what Lonzo is feeling and i never been the same after and had to leave the game of football when I was in college.
Thanks Doc for speaking on Lonzo Ball
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man i loved this guys game, he brought so much more than just scoring to the team. sad to see where he’s at now. i really hope he can get back on the court
what’s been up with bloody knees? luka has had bloody knees for weeks and embiid did as well
Because their knees grow
I feel like it's a scab that keeps reopening. They're constantly falling on the floor.
@@RVeredyou are wildly off base. He isn’t wearing knee pads,(a sleeve is not a pad) and he probably dove on the floor and scraped his knee up
@@RVered??? He said bloody knees not tears
Their knees are on a cycle obviously
Wish this was around with Derrick Rose 🥲
thank you for your service, LiAngelo
Love these videos! So interesting to hear the medical background and details of procedures
Thanks for the bombas shoutout/sponsorship. I am a manager at a Non Profit and Bombas donates to us weekly to cloth unhoused and at risk children!!!
Good to hear that a company follows through on a donation policy.
I remember when I tore my ACL and lateral meniscus, I had the option to do the allograft. I chose against it because it was from a foreign body and I didn’t want my body to reject it. Instead I chose the patellar tendon graft. And my lateral meniscus was essentially stitched back together.
Damn respect to Gelo for donating his meniscus!
"You can have my meniscus for a flat fee of ten million" - Gelo
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@@williambreeze2659 I'd take that every damn day of the week
This is what i been waiting for!!! Let's go Doc
if I wasn't 12 years old in 2012 I would've gave both my knees to Derrick Rose
They only take dead bodies but legitimately i feel that
Preach!
Why would he take your nerd's knees 😂
Super informative video Doc
Doctor can you explain to me how was d wade played without one since college? He never once complained about knee issues. Played 15 years at high HOF level
Likely comes down to genetics, luck, and dwade had a great peak but he fell off quick which was one of the reasons LeBron left (wade began to have knee issues). Also, dwade was able to rely on his post game and using strength to get spacing outside of this driving and layup abilities which may have helped him be effective. That all said, I and many others distinctly remember thinking dwade won't be the same after they lost to the spurs.
I’m definitely not qualified to professional but this sounds a lot more hopeful then the “bone graphs”, I wanna see Lonzo make history with the advancements in medical field, it’s beautiful timing.
I'll sell My meniscus to an NBA player.
If the price is right.
This is why you have 3 Ball brothers. LOL
LOL bro that was so foul
unfortunately the other ball is currently in legal trouble
@@wp4872and injured every season
😂
@@wp4872legal trouble doesn’t bans you from donating your meniscus 😛
Who's here after he's back
Request for a Bill Walton foot injury and why it plagued him most of his career while others can have messed up feet like Lebron and persevere.
I wish him the best, I had to retire early from playing from worn cartilage behind my kneecap, i was always told a transplant wouldn’t work but hopefully it can work for his meniscus 🙏🏾
Brandon Roy has entered the comments....
Your buddy in the back is wearing possibly one of the best NBA jerseys of all time
Joel Embiid also got a meniscus removal, & judging by how Lonzo's career is going with his meniscectomies, doesn't look like the rest of Embiid's career will end up any different than Lonzo's unfortunately.
Whenever you see someone injured this long its usually not a good sign..
Since the tissue is donated, can his immune system reject it?
In theory yes
@@ulisesmartinez251 he may have to be autoimmune suppressives for the rest of his life or for a while so hell be pretty susceptible to illnesses and diseases and sht like that
That’s most likely whats gunna happen but if successful could be a game changer in modern medicine for athletes
No this isn't like a kidney
@@psp785 anything foreign in the body is gunna cause problems
We can do heart transplants, lung transplants and such with some success. Cartilage is tough as there is no (little) circulation to grow and nourish the cartilage cells.
Hey Dr. Brian, Lonzo's back and played his first game today. He looks like he's adjusting, but overall he's comfortable.
No athlete has ever come back from this type of injury/surgery - I hope he will be the first to do so............
Hey doc can you do a video on split pec tendon transfer for serratus anterior palsy I had this surgery done and I feel like I’ve lost my athleticism what is the outlook for this surgery and return to sport outcomes
Great episode, putting all this in perspective. What he didn't talk about is transplant rejection. I would be much concerned about that with the method where they transplant even part of the bone, same with cartilage transplant that sits directly on a bone that is very well supplied with blood. Do they need to take anti-rejection-medication like other transplant recipients? The meniscus by itself - well matched - might be tolerated better since there is no blood supply to it. But how long does it last? What about that knee in 10, 20, 40 years? It's a heart breaking ...
No…. It’s no cells in the meniscus so his body won’t attack it….Now organ transplants like liver, heart, etc you’ll have to take medicine for life…
Thank you for your wonderful explanations. I wish that I could find an orthopedist that is as articulate as you!
Derrick Livley got caught karl anthony towns knee to the soft spot on the back of his head near the top of his spine. Liveley was falling down while karl was jumping up. I doubt Livley comes back tonight if it was as hard as it looked, he was down for probably 5 minutes. Ouch!!!!!!
Sprained neck! ouch man. the way his head whipped forward I'm not surprised.
Thank you for the lesson.
Modern day Brandon Roy
Very interesting video.
Good thing about zo is the last season he played he changed his game to just a spot shooter and play making. He hasnt been dunking and all that so I hope he plays more
people who never had acl or meniscus injury wouldnt know the pain. you literally cant sleep or take a step without pain. anytime you want to get up from a seat or from your bed the pain was ridiculous. every injury is a bad injury but knee related was something else for me. relearning how to walk is really humbling. i never had fractured rib cage but i heard that is the worst possible tear you could get.
Great educational video
Yikes, I feel for Lonzo. I’ve had a torn meniscus in my left knee, and in the right knee a bilateral torn meniscus, I’ve also suffered with inner thigh cramps, plantar fasciitis, Mortons toe. These things kept me in intense pain for around ten years, with inner thigh cramps being really really painful and bilateral torn meniscus being the absolute worst.
Torn knee meniscus injuries are known for being incredibly painful.
Lonzo was getting PRP injections when he was only 19, after his rookie year on the Lakers. Got to assume that was a bad sign right there. Turns out there was a reason the Pelicans didn't want to stake their future on him.
It sucks watching a players career from the HS level just fall off a cliff from injuries... The one positive thing to look at is when he was healthy, he averaged 12 points per game. He was a good 3 point shooter on a about 6 attempts a game. As long as his knee is functional he can still comeback to hit some 3s, run an offense as he was always a pass forward guard(Not a scorer) & play servicable defense. Hoping he can get back to some level of Lonzo Ball basketball.
Hey doc ? You think you could make a video on Luka Doncic knee injury ? He seems to be always bleeding and going through some pain any thoughts what it could be ?
I got one of these after having 5 knee surgeries. 5th surgery they removed my meniscus and the 5th one they gave me a meniscus from a doner.
I’m about 8 months out of surgery and idol pain is much better. But range of motion, strength and flexibility are very limited. I also. Have pain when running that I dint have before.
Can you do a Dereck Lively neck strain prognosis?
Glad to see Gelos meniscus in the league next year. Hopefully it stays healthy.
Thank you for your service
Can you do one on Joe Burrow's wrist injury and recovery? Never seen it on a quarterback in his prime before.
We need a new vid for that Kristaps injury ASAP Dr. Brian 🙏🏾
Thank you
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i miss lonzo on the court and im a spur fan. that bulls team was a fun watch they aint remotely the same without him. his defense and passing was elite. If he was 100% id take him on the spurs in a heartbeat
He was getting better by the day, too bad he is probably done playing. Wish him the best in life.
Since he had these operations....basketball might not seem like something to return since there might be a greater risk of reinjury. Figured PRP would help with filling in from where there were defects in the cartilage.
I have a meniscus tear. Imho, it’s the worst. If you don’t rehab it correctly and keep playing on it, the tear continues and cause so many issues. Athletes want to get back to playing asap which pressures them to do many things too soon including “removing” which is the worst. Want to see zo back on the court. I feel for zo 🙏. Sounds like he may need tkr in the future.
I feel for Lonzo, I have had my knee cap and some cartilage replaced and I'm 33.
All the best 🙏
Could you help me doc? I’ve been injured for 4 years now, and no doctors can help.
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The issue with the Ball Boys is they were overtrained as youth. The wear and tear on the body has caught-up.😊
Brandon Roy II
Yup
Lol Brandon Roy was so much better than Lonzo. What on earth are you talking about.
That Raptors jersey the skelly is rocking is absolutely 🔥🔥🔥
Wow! The fans were not aware of the extent of Lonzo's problem. His playing days are limited. However, he will be fine. He is a multi millioinaire
Not ingesting dairy products is paramount in further damage cartilage and bones. Not ingesting meat and animal products also drastically reduces inflammation in the joints. It would be good if possible for Doc to also include some science on the impact of eating on these injuries.
This surgery should really just be a bridge to try to keep him "active" until he is old enough for total knees that will get him to the finish line still walking. If he is not careful, he could have real problem if he requires total knees at too young an age and is left immobile in later years when he can't have more revisions and the totals are shot.
What a shame. That bulls team with lonzo on the floor looked really, really good. Now it’s a question of can he even ever play again
As a 24 year old who had a history of sports related meniscus injuries and eventually a transplant at 21, I can attest that my knee isn’t the same as it once was, but I’m still highly active (obviously not on the level of a pro, but I can lift, run, and live normally).
As a medical student, the meniscus doesn’t have much blood flow, so that’s part of why there is no need for immunosuppressive medication. I think it’ll be interesting to see a professional athlete progress through this injury, and hopefully he can get back to being a great basketball player!
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You mentioned the two primary techniques for meniscus transplantation. I assume graft-versus-host issues are minimal for both types due to the low immunogenicity of the tissues, which is likely attributed to their avascular nature. Is this correct?
Anyone’s else knee hurt watching this? 😅
Bro you already know
Rite tho my mom had her meniscus repaired it was painful because it’s inside the knee ur meniscus is between the two leg bones it’s a cushion between the two bones jus him explaining it makes u say oww!! Hope I never tear mine it took my mom time to recover from this surgery
No
So, an athlete is told by a doctor he has a brand-new knee, and he isn't supposed to think he can play at a preinjured level again. An athlete's brain isn't built that way.
can you please make a video about Novak Djokovic?
will he be able to play in his quarterfinal match?
Hey doc would you do a video on Djokovic meniskus injury on Rolan Garos?
Since cartilage isn't hooked up to the circulatory, nervous and lymphatic systems, can you transplant animal cartilage?
Get me some 🐅 🐅 🐯 Tiger Cartiledge. Given the size of these cats that stuff got to be strong lol
I see Lonzo as another brandon Roy too many surgeries now he has a new meniscus , just pack it up. I understand he wants to play but his health over playing. He’s been gone for three years. Just live life healthy stop forcing yourself trying to get back into the league . Next time something happen might be his last
Good comparison.
Its not so easy to give up your whole life. He's a great player and if his knee does get better it will also mean like 50-100 million dollarydoos. Why not do everything you can first?
agreed he's good financially just enjoy life. a meniscus transplant is weaker and has a high rate of re tearing. Factor in one of the most high impact sports like bball the writing is on the wall. maybe he wants a swan song season to prove some haters and leave the game on his terms. be a role player with limited minutes and call it quits at the end of the season.
He's been preparing his whole life for the league. The kind of man to make the NBA is not the kind of man who will just lay down if they have an opportunity. He's still under contract and wants to fulfill it. He could be this era's Shaun Livingston
When parents don't tell their children to be healthy from a young age.
So steven a smith was right all this time and London still call him out . And look now wow this is the end for London sadly
Dr Sutterer,
Thank you for your videos and this one in particular. It is empowering to have medical information presented in a clear and concise manner. One question, would someone who underwent a meniscus transplant require anti-rejection therapies/immunosuppressants? How would that compare to a knee replacement?
thanks :).
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I tore my acl and both sides of my meniscus didn’t get surgery for 2 years 7 months becuase of things out of my control I say this becuase they told me they can’t do meniscus transplants on people who have the artirile cartilage cartilage ( the cartilage on bone humerus ) so I’m suprised he got this but ya I’m 19 and man I feel for anyone who has knee pain or just any joint pain in general people don’t know true pain till there in it
I'm a donor recipient. I have an implanted ACL. My leg was too wrecked at the point that I eventually tore my ACL, that they couldn't harvest tissue from my hamstring or patellar tendon. I am gutted for Lonzo. His story is so sad. I was never a professional athlete by any means, but I was a very active rec player in various sports. I've suffered many injuries dating back to middle school including tearing my achilles 3x. Your body eventually just can't do it any more. We all know this but it's sad when an athlete's career is cut so so short. Makes you wonder how much these brothers went through. What was really happening out there? Just asking...
Achilles 3 times 🤯🤯 same leg?
Will stem Cells have worked also and collagen peptides ( type 2 or types 1&3) help sustain the health of the meniscus?
Have you ever done a video on Ronaldo Fenonemo knee injury when he played for Inter Milan? People usually say that his knee literally exploded inside because he tore everything in it
R9s problem was his tendon, which is the tissue that connects the muscle to the bone. His tendon tore, which was the "explosion".
I need to see a video of this type of surgery
I had 70% of the cartilage of both of my knees taken out, one at the age of 15 and the other at 17. When I got the second done (back in 2001) my surgeon said to me if I kept doing the amount of exercise I was doing (which was state level basketball at the time) I would need knee replacements by the age of 35-40, so I quit, stopped playing all sports, then 10 years later I played a little bit of ball again (because my knees felt good still), I snapped my left achilles which told me to not try to play anymore. I'm nearly 40 years old now and haven't had knee replacements yet but they do crack a lot and feel quite sore on some days. Taking CBD oil the last 2 years has really helped make them feel better and far less days of soreness.
So yeah I can't imagine Lonzo coming back and being able to play without a very sore future of not being able to walk properly in his life after the game.
Wow, so you had 70% of both menisci taken out in both knees? There are 2 meniscus in each knee so that would be pretty crazy. Usually people just tear one meniscus at a time..
@@kqh123From what the surgeon told me, he said I had 70% of all the cartilage in each knee joint taken out. Left knee when I was 15 and the right knee when I was 17. With my right knee the cartilage got caught in the knee joint as I bent my knee in a running motion in game, then when I straighten my leg/knee joint the cartilage flip on itself getting jammed in the front of my knee joint, making it so I couldn't straighten my leg until I had surgery. The outter part of the knee joints is where I still have some cartilage left. I used to play a lot of basketball and Australian football when I did both knees.
@@Mike_Benz_ that's crazy man. It sounds like you had a bad bucket handle tear, or something worse, at least with the basketball injury. I've had a meniscus issue for almost 3 years. Still have pain, and will possibly be going in for a 3rd surgery on it. I'm also looking at doing a meniscus transplant (similar to Lonzo). It sounds like you're not doing amazing, but pretty good with your knees. How was the mental side of your injury?
@@kqh123 As crazy as it sounds, it doesn't feel crazy as its just a part of my life.
At first I was very disappointed as I wanted to be a Professional Basketballer, but at the same time I was really loving my journey of starting to make music, which I started at 16, so that occupied me mentally and made me feel like I had something else I really enjoyed, and then Audio became my world.
You should looking into trying to heal your knees naturally, I've heard it can be done if you have slight tears, it takes a long time but it is a matter of doing things that promotes blood flow to the area for healing. I've heard it can be done. Worth looking into.
I'm doing alright to be honest, I thought my knees would be much worst at my age, so I thank God I am still able to run and move around freely. Some days they might feel a little tender in the joint, but most of my pain is in the left quadricep tend (above the knee cap) and behind the left knee cap from the knee grinding and popping. Doing body weight exercise to keep the quads strong really help this, and also squatting right down in the shower with hot water running on my knees really helps the tendons feel better.
Also my right hip became sore and would sort of get locked and then pop, but I started doing stationary movement exercises which really help my right hip to the point it feel nearly back to normal. Like I said CBD oil has also really help.
Bro, that is so very sad…. I get ur point, but my faith still stands stong
Shit bro, my guy so young…
Poor guy man. Hope he can come back and ball out. Not sure why he got all the hate he did
Because of his father. Not saying Zo deserved it, but his father was the "why" people didn't like him.
Its the end for Lonzo Ball. Its just gonna tear again sooner than later.
Most doctors cut it out. Unfortunately they only try to repair the meniscus for children or athletes.