Kyron Horman: Science Fair Turned Crime Scene (Part 1)
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- On the morning of June 4th, 2010, seven year old Kyron Horman was brought to his elementary school by his stepmother so that he could show her his science fair project. Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon was having a science fair that day, and although the school would normally open at 8:35 AM, that morning the doors were unlocked at 8AM, to give the students a chance to tour the fair with their families. At around 8:45 AM, Kyron’s stepmother Terri Moulton Horman took a photograph of Kyron standing in front of his project, a detailed diorama of the red-eyed tree frog. He beamed proudly at the camera through his wire rimmed glasses, and then, according to Terri, she walked him to his classroom and watched him enter. But when attendance was taken that day, Kyron Horman was not present, and he would never be seen again. His mother Desiree Young would later say quote, “it’s like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it” end quote. The search for Kyron has been the largest criminal investigation in Portland history, but to this day there has been no sign of what happened to him, where he went, or who he was with.
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I’m a native Portlander and I remember the very first day when Kyron went missing. We’ve been suspicious of Terri since day one. There are still billboards across Oregon for Kyron. I’m so glad you’re covering his case, thank you!!! ❤
I live here too, and most people I know believe she sold him.
Sold him??????? Oh no. That thought had not crossed my mind. It usually does, sadly, but in this case I have always assumed she unalived him. Both scenarios are heartbreaking.
Same. My son was in elementary school at the time so it hit hard for me. Terry did something with him and I don't think Kyron will be found alive.
@@Hollister74I don’t think he’s alive. Terri is responsible. I’m local as well. I’m hoping one day there is answers for Kyron’s loved ones.
Since alot of you guys under this comment are also from the same area, is his name pronounced like “Kyrun” or is it meant to sound the way Stephanie is prouncing it like it’s two separate names, “Kai Ron”? It just keeps distracting me from the information 😭
As an elementary school teacher, the teacher’s actions confuse me so much. His backpack and coat are there, but he’s not, so she assumes he’s absent? Teachers have a lot of things they’re managing, things can slip through the cracks, but the #1 thing on your mind, all day, when you teach young children, is, where are they? Especially after they return from a transition.
what my husband and i find confusing and conserning is she didnt take attendance till AFTER they went to the science fair? that should have been a before and after thing how many kids did i leave with how many came back? the fact Derek didnt call Stephanie on that also alarms me they are looking at such a small window yet to me this window seems gapping!
as someone who works with 45 kinders as a para, we are ALWAYS busy. So many bodies and so many things going on, and the 2 teachers have thier hands full especially on days with special activities/fieldtrips. That being said, we (the teachers and the 2 paras, so 4 people) ALWAYS do attendance BEFORE AND AFTER we leave the classroom for something. Two adults per classroom double checking the attendance- no matter what is going on. Unbelievable to me that that didnt happen
@Foxieness13 the science fair was open from 8-8:35am for family and friends to see, so it was like floating and before school started. So that's why attendance wasn't taken before, bc school wasn't in session at that time.
@erikaelyse8192 When he whent with his mom yes school hadnt started then Stephanie said he went to class and she left, after that the teacher said "they got into groups and went down to the science fair, when they reterned she took attendance" the first time attendance is mentioned by the teacher was after school started the class whent to the fair and when they reterned os when she said she took attendance and he wasnt there.... thats a biig gap be it the teacher misspoke or if its true the window in which he went missing a way bigger then we are looking at.
Because he asked to help the man then never came back
Thank you for taking this case!! It means so much to me since I knew Kyron personally as he was our neighbor. Someone knows something and it pisses me off that they aren’t talking. Terri and Dede are sketchy AF.
This is how I feel, too. Someone knows something and they're not coming forward.
Are there any specific stories or incidences with Terri or Dede that stuck out in your mind? It seemed particularly off? I’d love to know more about what you knew about her and how you feel about her after all this?
Yes! Agree 100%. And so glad the judge didn't allow her to change her name! I check back in on this case about once a year, and it seems nothing knew has come about. I keep hoping someone stumbkes across his body (unfortunately I believe he is gone), so maybe charges can one day occur.
So glad these are two are covering and deep diving because I'm sure there are things I'm not even aware of, and so many people need to know more!
I'm so sorry. Even people that never knew him still think about him all the time. I know I do..he really captured the hearts of our country and once you learn about the facts Terri rises to the top of the most suspicious person. Justice will come I have a feeling a clue will emerge to bust this case wide open.
@@blacknight2149 I hope so too! That would be a day worth celebrating! Just like Quinton and Gannon. #JusticeServed
Even hope that one day the Skelton boys and Pitzen will be found.
There are a lot more out there, and I hope they all get found and have some sort of justice on this earth.
How has Terri never been deemed a suspect!? Poor Kyron, he would be turning 21 next month. He didn't deserve this.
Really? 21? Some reason I thought this was a newer case..Not new as in" last month" but not 14 yrs ago ...Wow. Geez ,now I have such a hopeless feeling 😞 on this being solved.
They know she did it, they can't charge her without proof
She's always been a person of interest. I live in the area.
I agree, but be mindful, that just because someone isn’t named a suspect it doesn’t mean they’re not being looked at. Maybe they didn’t want to spook her & cause her to try covering her tracks.
Terri is all over the kyron reddit thread talking badly about his mother. It's insane
I would absolutely let my kid walk from INSIDE the school to their classroom. I think Stephanie is right and that she didn't walk him up.
yep she oversold her 'responsible parent' personality and it makes her look wayy more suspicious than if she had said "i didn't walk him up all the way but i thought he would be ok"
Yea...I'm not that old (36) and from a very laid back but dynamic accedemic Midwestern community...and I grew up with a neighborhood crew of 15 kids of all ages and ran around my neighborhood all day every day checking in a couple times...and neither mine nor all the other kids parents, which included the police chiefs..were in no way overlooked or miscared for or put in uneccary danger..and despite what you hear things are much safer now most places than in the 90's when I was growing up ..and still our parents were far from neglegent..it's the response...not the action that has been getting escalated...it's realy not based in logic ay all most of the time
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I’m not done yet, but I CANNOT wait to see the look on Derrick’s face when the finds out what Terry was doing on her phone during critical times when he went missing.
Now you have me intrigued as well
I can't remember, what was she doing?
This b*tch is one hell of a multi-tasker.
@@tennysonparks2059from what i remember she was cheating! And the messages are cringier than the storm lol
Agreed
As someone from Portland, thank you for covering this case. My heart breaks for him always. Those from the area strongly believe the stepmother is responsible for his disappearance and death.
That is so nice of you to say! Thank you!! I am surprised you did not notice her pronunciation of Multnomah at 1:05:45, lol! I helped correct her. Thanks for listening, i am glad they are covering this case!
Lol I did notice a few pronunciation errors but I never know how people take annunciation corrections so I didn’t say anything! It is amusing though, I’m sure we also get some words for the East coast wrong too :)
@@shelbystrand5592she’s commenting the same thing on many posts, very weird.
Try being English and Hearing Your Language Used By so many That don't even understand The Grammar!! 😂
@@PaganPunklol you say this and then capitalize 59% of your sentence...
Thank you Derrick for trying to stay fair/unbiased while going over the facts. Many times I’ll watch these cases where whoever is covering it, their subscribers etc have one opinion when I’m just starting on the case with basic facts. It ends up sounding like an echo chamber so I appreciate you trying to stay fair until you hear all the facts. Imo that is so important to these cases as well as bringing the awareness to them also.. I can see it being hard for Stephanie sometimes when she has to research these first and then try to relay the facts to you. Because sometimes with these gut wrenching cases with children it can and will infuriate/disgust you. They are so heartbreaking. Thank you both for bringing awareness to these cases. ❤️
Couldn't agree more. Derrick really balances things out. They're a good team
Amen! I love derrick’s commentary
yes i love how much they balance each other out they get both sides of the discussion down so ur able to view things more objectively
Exactly, echo chambers aren't good for anyone and fresh takes should be welcome and encouraged. Love that he's there to keep things objective because while things may point one way we can never be completely sure. If she hired an alleged hitman for her husband who's to say she didn't do the same for Kyron
Agree 1000% nothing productive can come from an echo chamber. Stephanie can go so hard on some people and that’s when derricks training as a detective really comes through. She would be a horrible cop or investigator 😂 I don’t mean that in a mean way just my observation.
Stephanie said “they raced up to his classroom,” which to me means that they each took a separate staircase to see who could get to the top first, like an actual race. I’ve done it plenty of times as a child and as an adult.
That's what I was thinking everytime she said it didn't make sense. I have done that many times
Came here to say same thing! Our girls are 15 & 13…they still do this lol
That is what I was thinking when they said they took different staircases.
Yeah I was thinking that too. I work with kids and the fact they used different staircases didn’t seem odd or off to me at all… (however she could be lying about either of them ever going upstairs anyway)
Yeah, I’m not sure if it’s accurate that the staircases were at opposite ends of the school, or if she was just asserting/assuming that was the layout.
I say this because in my school there were staircases on either side of the foyer, the main entrance of the school, so I could absolutely see a kid and his mom racing up these two staircases which were fairly close together.
I am from Oregon and am so happy you’re covering this. This little boy deserved so much better!
My parents live just a few miles from Sauvie (SawVee) Island. You don’t just wind up over there accidentally. You’re going away from Portland toward the Oregon Coast before you ever get to the turn off for Sauvie Island. There’s no shopping there other than a farm that sells fresh vegetables. You only go there with a purpose or you have a farm there.
Also, when all of this was happening I remember my nephews wife at the time telling me she heard from co-workers that they thought his body would be found on Sauvie Island. At that point the media hadn’t mentioned that being a possibility. Sauvie Island isn’t some hugely talked about and super popular area so I thought that was odd. Around a week later the police started searching the Island. Later info came out about her cell phone pinging there. I’ve always wondered how that information leaked a week or so before police appeared to act on it.
Sauvie Island is in the middle of the Columbia River. The river is massive (ships travel it), it’s very cold and dumps into the Pacific Ocean. Since his body has never been found I fear it’s gone forever. This world is so messed up!
The "Suave' was killing me lol
@@cpphoto33 seriously!! 🤣
Me too haha and Multnomah. Mult n Omaha.. but I get it, the east coast tribal names are hard to pronounce too!
Thank you, it was driving me nuts how they pronounced it.. This story is so hard, I have littles and I can't imagine.
@@mycyrus01 I know that in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter how they pronounce it but… 🤷♀️ It’s funny too that Stefanie said in the latest episode that it’s hard because of the spelling. It’s literally spelled Sauvie not Suavie 🤣 Again though, it’s the least of problems. I really hope there are answers some day and the responsible party is held accountable.
I have a case suggestion of Elisa Gomez, a woman in Minnesota who died mysteriously on her wedding night. I studied her case in my grad school criminology class and her mother provided us with lots of evidence to look over so she is open to people looking into her case. I would love to hear y’all’s opinions on what you think might have happened to her
That's a great case and if I'm not mistaken, they may have just re-opened it. John Lordan of Lordanarts has kept up on it and has some good stuff.
I'm glad MPD reopened the case last year. Her family deserves answers. Gonna keep close tabs on any updates. Thank you for posting your comment. ❤️
Yes, John Lordan on Three Men and a Mystery did a great job on that case, if you're interested (Season 2). But I would love a Stephanie "deep dive" too! 😃
@@nrgltwrkr2225 that would be great!
Yes, I'm curious too.
This hits so close to home for me. My son is the same age as Kyron and we live in Portland. I remember clearly when this was on the news and talking to my son about it. My son could easily have been his friend. My son is a healthy, vibrant 20 year old today. 😢
I was very pregnant with my first and this shaped the way I raised my kids. I am a fellow Oregonian and lived in Portland for a bit. It really shapes how we view the world.
(hugs you)
I found this video because I'm the same age as kyron, and I remember being terrified because I saw his face everywhere. I didn't realize the case was this big when I was younger though.
Stephanie always going so hard for people, and Derrick trying to bring it back to objectivity. Love the dynamic.❤
Agreed. Derrick beings alot to this table with his experience
Can’t be more happy with how hard Stephanie went for Kyron and as Oregonian I feel all of us locals would love nothing more than to see brought home to his Momma and justice served to those responsible…and as a local we all KNOW who is responsible yet still we wait… but we will NEVER give up #justiceforkyron ITS NOT IF…. ITS WHEN
This is the way
@@B-NanaGoing hard for the victim isn’t the same thing as going hard at a suspect.
It’s not particularly helpful to just dismiss everything someone says because you don’t like them. It’s lazy.
Is that how you say Kyon? I swear she's saying it wrong It's supposed to be pronounced the same way as Byron right
This is EXACTLY why taking attendance isn’t a waste of time!!
Terri failed 2 polygraphs and walked out of the 3rd one.
The BIGGEST thing y’all didn’t notice… she took the truck that morning because she thought she had to bring his science project home. She left the school that morning without it…. Why were arrangements not made to pick him up from school since it was his last day of school and she’d need to bring his project home? Her husband came home, why as a family were they picking him up from the bus when they needed to bring home his science project?
They did talk about this, Stephanie said how she said that and how that excuse made no sense cause 1. he was supposed to take the bus home that day not get picked up and 2. why would she take the truck in the morning if she didnt have to pick up the project til later 🤣 she really dug herself in a hole tbh trying to not be suspicious by being SUPER suspicious
I think I saw somewhere else that she thought their presentation was that day so she was going to go in and see it but she was on the wrong day
They talked about it
That is a great point!!
She used the truck to bring the project the day before. The project was to be on display for a week so she was not taking the project home the day kyron went missing. The reason she had the truck the day of disappearance is still unknown.
Derrick, glad you have your solo show now and thank you for making the Hummel case your first. It is good to hear you're clear and concise review of the facts and opinions on the outcomes
On TV or TH-cam? I just got started on the video. I'm excited to hear this news. 😂
@@JustJen19TH-cam, The Detective Perspective
Detective perspective
@@CraftyMama0222 Thanks! I just subscribed.
Thank you for bringing more awareness to Kyron's case! I was so excited to find out you were doing a show on Kyron. Also ty for using my videos from Kyron Horman Case Revisited 😊 I'm so happy they brought you some perspective. That's exactly why I started taking the videos. Especially since so many ppl around the world follow this case.
Just an FYI the soccer field at the school has a sidewalk along the side that goes to access road. Access road is where Terri parked her truck on June 4th. Access road is is shown on the flyers law enforcement made. I have another video that shows how someone could take Kyron out the west doors, go down the stairs to the soccer field, turn left, & walk right to access road or Skyline Blvd. The other thing is the hillside along the sidewalk blocks anyone from seeing you. Unless someone was lurking out the school windows. Terri told Kaine she went out the front doors & the later said she went out the east doors by where the busses park. But she parked straight in front of the school. Law enforcement said witnesses saw someone in or around the truck while Terri was in the school. Law enforcement also said someone could've driven the truck up access road. Which would've kept anyone from seeing Kyron leave. But you also have witnesses that say they saw Terri leave with Kyron walking through the parking lot down to the road where her truck was.
I'm so pleased I see your comment as I was watching your videos as I was a little confused at first. ❤ great work
I love your videos on locations that Terry drove. Super helpful and informative! Thank you!
@@samanthap4600 ty so much! I'm glad you like the videos! All of it brings more awareness for Kyron
@nancymoon-rush2888 ty for watching. There's so much to this case I'm happy I can bring awareness & a perspective.
This episode felt very.. tense between you guys lol.
I worked in public school for over a decade and there is a lot of issues with the attendance keeping of this school. Special events can definitely make things more difficult but have no confirmation of the whereabouts of child in your classroom means numerous chains of command were not following proper protocol.
As a resident of Oregon this one hits different. I was pregnant with my first kiddo when this happened and it threw me then. I listened to it on Spotify already but I had to come back and watch it here. This one is haunting and so far you are doing a great job with this first episode.
I feel like I have to again suggest the case of Miranda Gaddis and Ashley Pond, another Oregon case. Dateline re-released their episode on their podcast platform from 2006 I believe the episode it titled Into Thin Air. Honestly this case is one that will astound you and it would give you two a lot to talk about.
Dude. My neighbor was the ME who had to go retrieve their bodies. It was all over the news--so fucked up.
Ward Weaver lll is a wild ride as well-his own father murdered 2 people and buried them in his backyard as well. He was thought to be a serial killer.
@MaeDiemPriest I couldn't imagine what that did to your neighbor. I remember vividly watching the news coverage when they found the girls. I was their age, and it was one of those times that just is cemented in my memory. It just makes me so sad and frustrated as well. And watching his interview where he calls himself the prime suspect, then when the cops were asked, they said they didn't know who he was! That case was such a shit show. I really think this would be one these two would be able to unwravle that mess because I still have questions as to how the hell this even happened in the first place. He only got caught because he assaulted his sons girlfriend. Seriously, someone dropped the ball, and so many people were hurt.
Im kinda hoping they do the brooke wilburger case. I was young when I heard about it and lived a couple towns over from corvallis ( now I live in corvallis) and her case has always haunted me..and honestly I dont see alot of people talking about her case.
Ashley Pond was just a couple weeks older than me & im just right over the bridge. I remember it being the first time it really hit me that someone could make me go missing like that.
@@kaciefreeman6010 that one freaked me out, too. I lived in Corvallis while at OSU
FINALLYYYYYYYYYY! This story never Got out of my head. And now we get to hear it naratted by the 2 best people to ever have a true crime channel! Im sorry for my many writing mistakes but im from Europe and one of your biggest fans!! Keep doing the good work! ❤
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@@veronikapop8161 Belgium :-)
Often times I feel like as a true crime fan, I can sometimes get very desensitized to cases; sometimes even kids. However, I looked up pictures of Kyron today on my lunch break and nearly couldn’t continue my shift because I was crying so hard. Even just looking at his pictures, I can tell he was such a naturally happy, intelligent, and curious kid. Speaking from experience, it’s hard to get boys that age to smile for a picture without being forced, but Kyron genuinely seems so happy to be anywhere and to be a part of the world. To be honest, he reminds me of the kid from Jerry McGuire. It’s hard to believe that me, a stranger, can have a stronger reaction from just looking at a photo of Kyron than an adult who supposedly had loved him, than an adult who had been so admired by this child that he wanted her to drive her to school. He would be my age right now, I’m disgusted. Praying that one day this family can get answers. 💔
When I saw the first picture of Kyron with his science project at the beginning of this video, I had a similar reaction. My heart sank and I felt a deep sense of sadness and dread. I felt a though I did not even want to listen to this case and I have never had that happened to me before. Everything about this is heart wrenching.
He’s my oldest sons age & it breaks my heart! ❤
❤The world needs more people like you. Compassion seems to be hard to find, so refreshing, and more valuable than gold. God bless.
💜💙💜🙏💜💙💜💙
what do you do for a living?
as someone who is low-/no-empathy i can't imagine having a reaction like this, is it common for it to be set off by stories involving strangers? historical events? things that happen to friends of friends? i'm seriously not judging or anything, i'm genuinely curious
I was shocked when I realized he was only a year younger than me. I remember hearing about this so long ago, he would’ve been 21😢
Watching Part 1 and now Part 2, I greatly appreciate how Derrick is trying to point out many different options of what could have happened and why it is so important for police to look at every. single. angle before coming to a conclusion. There are still so many questions and not enough answers in this case and I wonder if he will ever be found or all the answers found answer all the questions.
The school has not and will not ever speak about this because of privacy issues. Teachers know they will be fired if they do. They can’t say a thing.
I’ve taught for a long time and we had two news worthy events happen and we were warned with serious consequences.
I'm so thankful that you're covering Kryon's case!!! Where is this child? 😢
ONLY TERRY KNOWS 😭
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For covering this case! It happened about 40 minutes from where I live! And I find myself constantly thinking of this little boy!!! His parents deserve answers!!!!!!!
This is the case that haunts me. I am convinced Terry Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and sadly his death. I don't believe Kyron is alive. Terry Horman got away with murder.
I think so too.
EXACTLY!!!
Same!!😢
She didn't get away, she will pay in the next..😕
Just wanted to shout out to Stephanie and Derrick! Recently became a fan coming across Stephanie first then was so happy to enjoy listening to Derrick as well. You guys are awesome. I can’t stop catching up on all the cases I had no clue about. Next I HAVE to try this COFFEE!!!!
It irks me when Derick states something based on his experience and Stephanie shuts him down like she knows more than him lol
This is the first time I've watched the two of them together, and it just seems that they don't even like each other lol
@@tokiohotel4ever2yeah first time too. had the same feeling. BUT. they started 3 years ago and i feel for her if ur emotionally invested but i love his perspective and objectivity. its something i would have to get used to. im gonna watch all 3 episodes and maybe its just that video like she stated, when its about kids, it hits her more or something
@tokiohotel4ever2 im rewatching this one, I am shocked by it lol they get along soooo well and work so well together now.. they must have had an argument before this episode, Stephanie seemed very on edge
Thank you for covering this case! The local community wants to see this solved so badly.
So many fellow Oregonians watching and commenting. Thank you for covering this case. There are still missing posters all around for this sweet boy ❤
(Interesting to hear “modest house” in the skyline area. Today, they are all $1-2+ million, it’s a very expensive area of Portland now- it’s the land and not necessarily the house because a lot of them were built in the 50’s, with acreage)
That is so nice of you to say! Thank you!! I am surprised you did not notice her pronunciation of Multnomah at 1:05:45, lol! I helped correct her. Thanks for listening, i am glad they are covering this case!
@@Kittysniffles888why do u keep commenting this
@@Kittysniffles888mispronounced words are inevitable. It’s silly to care.
@@mandypdx I know, I am sorry. I am not trying to nit-pick!
When an author writes a book, or a speaker is addressing a crowd of maybe millions, mispronouncing names of cities does not go unnoticed by those who live there, no matter HOW SMALL the city.
(Or you can be like at-the-time President Trump, who visited Paradise, CA, which burned down in a wildfire, and called it PLEASURE, CA. Oh man.).
It is good to get the correct name so future mistakes won’t be made!
The names of cities and towns can be tricky sometimes. So, knowing how to pronounce them is usually welcomed by those who say/use those names, saying them incorrectly, and is not perceived as negative. I am sorry, I just wanted to help.
@@deceased988 I am sorry. See,when a post gets SO MANY comments, some comments slip under the radar and go unnoticed.
To prevent that, I figured it is easiest is to post it multiple times! I am really sorry, I just thought posting it a bit would get it noticed.
When an author writes a book, or a speaker is addressing a crowd of maybe millions, mispronouncing names of cities does not go unnoticed by those who live there, no matter HOW SMALL the city. (Or you can be like at-the-time President Trump, who visited Paradise, CA, which burned down in a wildfire, and called it PLEASURE, CA. Oh man.). It is good to get the correct name so future mistakes won’t be made!
The names of cities and towns can be tricky sometimes. So, knowing how to pronounce them is WELCOMED by those who use those names, saying them incorrectly, and is not perceived as negative. I am sorry, I just wanted to help.
(Eek your name is creepy, btw!)
As usual, a story I've already heard and am hesitant to reinvest in is totally brought to a whole new life through Stephanie and Derrick's thoughtful banter lol. I now literally need more, cannot wait and will probably hop over to the channel you referred to! Also, I just want to say I love Tony for how much he clearly cared for Kyron and his family by having the kits done and locked in a safe and getting his friend to bring that as well as their clothing. He's a good guy!
Grizzly true crime is also covering Kyron
Oops I just started listening while reading comments and I'm not sure who she recommended 😂 maybe it's G ❤
@@ezmay89 it's a different creator, but G is great too! Love Map Time lol
@@mombythec map time is the best 🤣🤣❤️
Right?!? The struggle is real. Every time I see a case that I already feel familiar with and don’t want to listen to, turns out I’m completely wrong 😂
I clearly know now and just have to wait for our weekly uploads haha
Thank you for covering Kyron, nobody does it like the two of you! Even though I have followed this story, Stephanie always seems to provide new info I wasn't aware of. Also, hearing Derrick's perspective makes me feel like I have the inside scoop! Appreciate you two! 💕
There was a case in Atlanta, GA over 40 years ago that sort of “went away.” It took place in the upper crust section of Atlanta, Buckhead. A young woman staying in a hotel next to Lenox Square with her mother was in town for a close friend’s wedding. They attended a luncheon event earlier in the day with plans to return for the evening wedding. Sometime between the luncheon and wedding, the mother who had briefly left her daughter in the hotel room returned to find her daughter dead. Supposedly, the mother went on to the wedding not telling the wedding party in an effort to avoid spoiling the wedding.
Questions? What really happened?
Wow, can you share the names of the people involved? I would love to look into this on my own time.
THANK YOU! This case has never received enough attention. I live 30 minutes from where Kyron went missing. This case really shook up our community. Everyone was looking for Kyron..
From someone who lives all the way across the country, I’ve seen this case covered several times. I don’t know if you could really get an accurate perspective of that because you live where it happened, but rest assured Kyron is talked about and certainly will never be forgotten.
The reason that Terri is so dangerous is she (allegedly) premeditated Kyron’s disappearance! She didn't child abuse him and kill him in the process, she planned it! The other thing that stood out to me was Terri said she took the truck because she was going to pick up Kyron and his science exhibit. 1.) The dad got home before school got out. 2.) She had no plans to pick Kyron up from school because they all were waiting for Kyron when the bus came. 3.) A truck would probably be needed in that Marshland where her phone pinged and that is the real reason she used the truck that day because she had all this planned. I would be interested in what excuse she gave the dad for switching vehicles that day.
Plus the email to the teacher about the doctors appointment shows premeditation
Omg!! I didnt even realize that would be why she might need the truck! I thought maybe she just didnt want the red car because obviously it’s a lot more flashy and especially with her custom license plate it would be so easy to be recognized or to have someone say like “oh this was her license plate” but needing the truck cause of where she “allegedly” took Kyron makes a lot of sense too
@@Hooked_on_britney99 That could also be part of the reason. The truck is more nondescript. It would have been impossible to explain to anyone why she was out in the marsh if her car got stuck out there.
Terri did nothing. She was his mom that actually cared. She wouldn't do such things
She brought her recycling up to the school. That's why she had the truck.
His step mom absolutely had something to do with this. It’s unbelievable that there has never been justice for poor little Kyron ):
She couldn't have went that far though?
I'm from a town close to Portland. I remember this so well. They still have activities to keep his name in people's minds.
It's ok so say that his step-monster did it. We all know she did. Plus her best friend helped her.
Terry's life has been Hell ever since this happened, by her choices.
I too live not too far from ptown. I agree that the step monster did it with help. I just wonder why she never got convicted. A body isn't always required for a murder trial to go forward but oregons justice system sucks...
I'm originally from a town close to Portland and yea we all know she and her friend did it but there just isn't enough physical evidence to pursue a case against her. She is now suffering from the court of public opinion tho. So until Justice can be had for him, Terri will never live a normal life.
Stephanie is a little bit snarky this week, huh? 😂😂
I was 13 when Kyron went missing . I still think about him often. Oregonians are all waiting to bring Kyron home.
This sweet, little boy probably couldn't wait to go to school that day and participate in the school's science fair w/his "frog" presentation. It's heartbreaking to have harmed this little child. I hope Kyron is found and brought home to his loved ones. Sweet, little boy.❤🌹
I really appreciate your voice of reason Derek especially when these cases come up where Stephanie is admittedly unable to be objective. You're asking the questions I would like to hear answered, you're raising the scenarios I would raise and I really enjoy hearing your perspective.
One thing I keep coming back to is how the police have said there's only an hour and a half unaccounted for in Terri's timeline. That's just not a lot of time to commit a murder, get rid of the body so effectively that all these years later it hasn't been found, then clean yourself up and get to the next place in the timeline.
I don't know if my mind will be changed but at this moment I think there's so much about Terry's story that can be reasonably explained. I can't help but feel like the police honed in on her way too quickly and didn't explore enough other options. Also, some sources have said that when explaining her movements that day, she was near that island when she was driving around and that was the reason they started searching there. We know they were considering her their prime suspect already at that point and if it's true she told them she was near there, its reasonable to think that's the reason they moved the search there. Of course we can't be certain that's exactly what happened but it's certainly a reasonable explanation for them moving the search there. Also, for clarification, she pinged there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that she was on that island. When she was near it, the tower there was the nearest according to some sources.
Anyway I'm a huge fan, thank you Derek!
He is absolutely the best!!!
If she strangled the boy, she wouldn't have anything to clean up. Just get rid of the body. It's possible.
I agree. Getting divorced and changing your name is not "odd behavior". When you look at the case through a guilty lens you start thinking that every little thing makes a person look suspicious when it just doesn't. Also, cell phones don't always ping the nearest tower. If there is an obstruction or that tower is busy, the phone may ping another tower with a clearer line of sight or stronger signal. All you can say for sure is that the phone was within range of that tower.
I did a google maps search and it says the drive from Skyline School to the Suavie Island Bridge is 9 minutes. This made me more confused that means she had plenty of time to hide the body, but also makes a rogue ping more likely.
@@candipauline strangling someone is a very personal hateful up close way to kill someone and it's not often that women choose this method. It makes it especially unlikely when there are numerous witnesses who said they had no idea he was her stepson, they thought he was her biological son because of the way she treated him, with the same love and affection that she did her own daughter. If these witnesses are true and never knew he was her stepson and not her biological son, it makes it even more unlikely that she would then strangle him if she truly loved him that much. Like someone else said, when you look at this through a suspicious lens you'll find suspicion. When you look at it with an objective lens, willing to see both sides, you find it much more possible to be objective. That's all I'm asking for in this case - objectivity. I watched everyone dog pile on the stepmom, and to be completely honest I was perfectly willing to believe it was her since that was the most likely scenario. But then their evidence made me realize how quickly I could have been accused of murdering MY stepdaughter. Their evidence is flimsy at best and no one it seems has the ability to be objective anymore.
Sunday evening here in England.. husband is at his NA meeting (16 years clean) 🙌🏻
I’m snuggled with our dogs and everything is on pause for Steph and Derrick 👏🏻
This is officially my happy place 🙂
Derrick I love how you point out various scenarios based on various factors. You force me to think deeper. ❤
Derrick is such a good father for feeling the need to basically follow his children into a classroom before feeling safe enough to leave! ❤️ I just got dropped off on the curb outside every day! 😂
I regularly had to either walk home or wait till my mother realised that my father forgot to pick me up from school again. Or drive home with somebody else. In hindsight it's a bigger security risk than I ever noticed...
My kids are going to have trackers and we will have passwords and checks 😂
Prolly helps he was a police officer and he’s a detective.
He sees it all day every day. I can’t see how you could not take every precaution in his line of work.
i swore i read somewhere the reason she went up the stairs/different stairways was bc they wanted to “race” to see who got up first. not defending Terri at all, but i could see my sons or niece wanting to do that & me sucking it up & going along. she did a lot of sketch stuff, that one just is one of the things that wasn’t too odd for me. so glad y’all are doing this case 💛
I was thinking that as soon as I heard them going on different staircases but tbh I also imagined the school very differently, thought the second floor was more open plan and a wider corridor than it actually was but looking at that video I cannot wrap my head around how, if the whole race thing or even watching him go into his classroom is true, she would see him with that massive wall on her left without having to fully be on the second floor and by that point why not just go give him a goodbye hug
That was my first thought
Then why didn't she say that
I’m SO glad y’all decided to cover this! It’s one of those amazingly crazy cases. I think it resonates a little more when you are a parent. Not that it can’t do the same for everyone. There’s just a tiny extra tug on the heartstrings as a parent. Thanks for all your time & effort to keep drawing us in week after week!!
I'm not a parent (oh, sorry, my cats just gave me serious side-eye 😂🐈🐈⬛) and when I looked deep into this case, I felt real, actual grief for this boy and especially his mother. I also was surprised the whole story led to me, a total stranger to these people, to feel literal anger in my bones over the absence of justice and lack of resolution. I remember thinking: My God, if I feel this way, I can't imagine what the mothers of the world are feeling when they come across these details. Particularly parents of kids who are still small, like 10 or under age group, or who had a child Kyron's age at the time of this crime.
You're right to predict this case has the potential to really get to non-parents. It's a tragedy on a human level, amplified by the open ended investigation that, so far, has not produced any definitive explanation of what really happened to that sweet little boy that day. This story gets you if you're a human being, kids or not. But I agree that being a parent yourself must add a level of grief and frustration to how the facts of this case hit you, in a way non-parents like myself can't fully understand.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. Try a quick story. Saw doc on Elizabeth Smart years ago. Though another amazing story, at the time it only affected me to a mediocre level. Years later, I watched the same exact doc. Except this time I had a daughter. Even though I knew the story & how incredible of an ending it had, I was blown away by how much more the entire case effected me. It really blew my mind. Ever since, I’ve been drawn to similar cases involving children. In the end, the unsolved cases linger even more. I can’t imagine what this family is going through for over 10 years now. I truly believe this one is far from over. Again, thanks for sharing!!
Sauvie island is not a place you would go and then Michaels and dry cleaners. It’s a destination. Not a stop. I’m an Oregonian teacher, LEO wife and mom who requested you to cover this case. Thank you. Love you guys!
‘ANY WAY YOU CUT THIS PIE, IT COMES OUT BANANAS’ Stephanie just when I thought I couldn’t love your phrases any more 😂
I have literally BEGGED you tube crime shows to do this!!! I’m going to shut up and watch your three part and message soon…. This hits very close to home for me. In so many ways. Thank you for doing this!!!
Thank You for covering this case. I still have a Christmas ornament on my tree with his picture on it that they sent out when you donated to the search fund. My son was two years older than Kyron and wore glasses and a CSI shirt. This case really bothered him.
When my niece was in kindergarten my sister dropped her off and didn't wait to see if she got into the building, my niece decided to double back and hang out with her grandpa for the day, he thought my sister dropped her off. The school didn't call anyone until 1230. Imagine if someone had kidnapped her 😳
This is incredible. As a former teacher, I can tell you that at least since 1992, no school in my area has has open door science fairs. Each grade has an assigned time to go to the fair, and only at that time, can parents be there. In addition, any and very time that a non-staff adult is in the building, they must go to the office, sign in, show ID, and get a visitor pass. Any adult seen in the building without a pass is immediately reported to the office while being watched by another staff member. The adult is then escorted to get a pass, or ejected from the building, possibly by police. There is no excuse for a school not to know who is in their building.
I also thought that was odd. I was in high school when Kyron was taken, and my high school was very strict about visitors / who they allowed to come in and out. All visitors need a ticket. Getting tickets was a hassle, because all people had to provide an ID of some kind to be photocopied for the school’s records. The only way to bi-pass that was to get tickets online and send a photo of your ID through that online process. Even those that were underage / did not have a driver’s license, needed their school ID. It always took so long to get everyone into events, but looking back… the school was trying their best to keep things safe.
We have open door events all the time and I detest them. You don't know who's coming in and doing and with all the family court orders our school dealt with made it stressful. On those days parents would roam in and out of school. It was only after Sandy Hook when things started to tighten up with security.
My kids elwmentary school in Hillsboro, Oregon very near where Kyron disappeared always had open door events. For years they had multiple doors unlocked for access but towards the end of my kids elementary run, it was just the main entrance with all other doors locked.
In Cali we do not have any sign ins for first day walking kids to class (just did that last week), back to school nights or open houses. Two decades of teaching and we have never had that in the high schools I teach in and my daughter's elementary school doesn't either. Now once school starts, everyone is escorted out and school is locked up with sign in/out like usual but outside of school hours there is pretty open coming/going for these events. This happened before school right?
Just listening to part 2 on Spotify and I'm in stitches. I love the dynamic between the two of you. I don't even need to go to TH-cam to know when Derick is trying to play devil advocate, Stephanie is giving him a look, which is saying, 'Really?!?!! SHE'S GUILTY!!!' Tbf, I'm over here rolling my eyes thinking 'Seriously!!! The b is guilty!' 😂
SOOO glad you’re covering this together on Crime Weekly💕I had to wait for all episodes to post before watching. Terri is💯guilty of Kyron’s murder💔…don’t come for me 🤷🏼♀️
I’m from Portland and I still remember the day he went missing. It was the day after my best friend’s birthday and it just felt like everything shifted a bit, like a darkness fell over the metro area. I still think of Kyron often and was hoping someone would cover this case in detail. I’m so glad it was you two. ❤
Can’t wait for this case to get the Crime Weekly coverage! Just know Stephanie and Derrick are gonna cover this right!❤️
So glad the two of you are doing Kyrons story. That poor sweet baby is still out there somewhere. We need to all work together to bring him home.
"Nobody goes into Michael's and doesn't buy anything. That's a fact."
Really? Come on now, lol.
Its lucky Derrick is there to be the voice of reason. 😂
Terri did not go into Michael's, that's a fact. She lied.
I appreciate Derrick for pointing out the lack of objectivity. 1:23:52 your behavior at Michael's has no bearing on what Terri might have done. You can't base your opinion on what you do.
I subscribed to all your platforms I promise I'm not a hater but its more fun when things are objective.
Thank you for focusing on this case. I have often thought of Kyron over the years. My heart breaks for Desiree. I hope she can find some peace eventually.
I KNEW as soon as the teacher said the step mom had told her about him having to go to a Dr apt a whole week and half before the actual apt….that SHE did it! And it’s so sad he seems like the sweetest little boy 😢
that's.. normal? like if you know about an appointment or that your child is going to be gone for something ahead of time you tell the school... so they can get your child the makeup work ahead of time.
@@waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa right but the appointment was scheduled for a week and a half after he went missing terri told the teacher the appt was the day that he went missing to buy some time that he could be unaccounted for
@@waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait was one of the last days (or the last) of school there was no reason to tell them? lol
Do not waste your breath defending the stepmother. I am from the area also. This story is heartbreaking, everyone thinks she did it, and 99 percent of the listeners will too, before this series is over.
@@lilastar7759 last day of school was the 15th not the 11th.
Thank you for covering Kyron’s case. I was 10 when he went missing and think about him regularly. Even though historically, the PNW has been known for serial killers and other various crime, it felt like this was new for the area and really changed the way people thought about child safety. I remember stricter school drop-off rules after he went missing. And I live 45 minutes away
Yeah back in 2010 it was a HUGE deal. I remember at the time it felt so out of the norm. I also feel like safety changed with schools in our area after this case.
this is the one that started it all for me!!! watching this is like when you listen to a break up song you haven't listen to in ten years and all of a sudden it comes on the radio and you feel like someone punched you in the gut. I remember all the hoax calls afterwards. The cruelty just was neverending. Is still neverending because she's still not charged. ugh. Poor Kyron.
1:34:47 where I thought the show was ending and got surprised with 20 more mins. You guys are the BEST duo. I love the way you inspire each others thoughts. I'm here for that as much as the stories.
I am so glad that YOU guys are covering Kyron's case!
Nobody deep dives like Stephanie and Derrick! 🤗🤗
This case is so heartbreaking and frustrating! It's had my head spinning from the beginning! So many why?'s
Derrick, the Michelle Norris case was absolutely devastating. It definitely reinforced my already overprotective mom, cautious behavior as valid! I remember noticing you for the first time on this episode on Breaking Homicide. I could see how deeply Michelle's case affected you. I said I really like this guy, he cares, you can tell he's got heart. I was so excited when you collaborated with Stephanie for Crime Weekly! I'm a Stephanie Harlowe OG, been with her since she was at 10k subs! It's a pleasure to be part of this awesome true crime community!
My heart goes out to Michelle & Kyron's loved ones! I pray that they receive answers and justice, but with all my heart I wish they could just have their babies back!!!
Have been waiting for your deep dive into this poor baby's case. He deserves to have his story told.
Felt some tension between you guys recently, hope everything is allll gooodd!! 💚
None of you even know what a discussion is
It's been a while since I've watched this channel, had to take a break for mental sanity, love these two. It felt a little more bickering than i remember. Are they getting annoyed with each other or just a bad day? Hate to ever see this channel go away.
It seems a lot worse to me and a lot are commenting. I usually listen on podcast but watching the one that went up yesterday was like yikes! He looks like he doesn't even care anymore. I think Steph being so argumentative and not letting him speak is wearing on him or else his new podcast is wearing him out. Not sure which. I agree it's sad. ❤
To be fair, i love Stephanie, but she likes to act like her opinions are facts, and Derrick is the voice of reason. He tries to keep her open-minded, and to be fair, he has WAY more first-hand experience with these things than she does. It probably can get irritating or exhausting dealing with her stubborness all the time 😂
I cannot imagine pain of losing your child. It destroys you and your life completely...
The injustice of Terry Horman not getting charged but people like the West Memphis Three get the book thrown at them with less evidence. The Justice system infuriates me sometimes.
imagine summer wells's parents not getting charged and they don't even have two active brain cells between each other
Yay! thank you guys so much for covering this case! I'm from Portland and since day one i've been convinced Terri got away with murder... I watch you guys faithfully every single week. & both of your guys' personal channels !
If you were convinced since day 1 then i seriously hope you don’t ever qualify for any jury.
😂😂😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Y'all are super snarky today! Love it! I can't imagine being an officer, and fully believing your theory, and not being able to proceed. It must be so difficult for everyone involved. This case has pulled at my heartstrings. I know what I believe. I just wish they WILL get enough to bring justice for Kyron.
I just saw an episode about Kyron Horman on Nancy Grace and I am glad that you guys are covering this.This poor child needs to be found,period.The stepmonster eyes give me a very creepy vibe!I hope that this poor baby is found and gets justice!
Stephanie doesn't listen, Derrick has a lot of patience
Hello Stephanie and Derrick! Taking a lunch break, and you popped up! Everyone have a most amazing afternoon! Thank you for sharing his story and being these people's voices....
Thanks for covering this!!!! I remember watching the coverage on this case when the case was on Dr. Phil. It's in my experience, schools don't do a good job watching for visitors on special days. "Those" parents complain about having to "check in," on normal days let alone special days but it needs to be done! On these special days, I always took attendance and demanded to have my classroom run "as usual" the first half hour of the day, so I could take attendance and establish a strong foundation so each day was consistent so I could check in on kids and make sure I knew who was there. I was always told I "worry too much," but I didn't care. This school's systems didn't help. My heart breaks for this little one.
I agree 100%. It bothers me that we get lax on the visitor policy on special occasions. I think we need to be even more diligent on those days.
Derrick remains so respectful even as he has snarkiness & condescension thrown at him.
Or maybe he doesn't have what your saying thrown at him. I don't see any of that. GOY.
Seriously. She’s insufferable.
There is so much tension in this, she seems so argumentative when she does a video with someone else. Heated with her video partner for no reason
I know right. At one point this reminded me of a Nancy Grace video, with the way she got to yelling at her co host, just for the way he was trying to look at both sides.
This case absolutely breaks my heart. May Kyron rest in peace.
I am so excited! I am off today. Drinking my iced coffee, relaxing. Re-watching Harloweens, and this pops up! I love you both and everything you guys do for these victims and the ones that loved them and are effected every day by these devastating circumstances. ❤
Not D throwing shade at the kardashians after a skims advertisement 😂
I've been watching Stephanie for years and I'm so passionate about the content she covers. That being said, the rabid dog attitude detracts from the flow of the information being presented, and the video becomes about taking shots and being rude. Having someone else to balance it out helps, but the bad vibes are just too much these days. With so many talented creators on TH-cam, there are other options.
Girl what do you mean the rabid dog attitude?
@soupluv you're trying to tell me you can't see her narcissistic ass? She has to be right she's constantly putting Derricks opinions down 😅
Go watch something else than. They are new Yorkers and I like their back and forth dynamics if you don't than don't watch their show.
@@ColorsFlight I'm a NYer, born here and have lived here my whole life, including upstate, NYC and currently on the island. I don't see your point.
Just go watch something else. What’s the point of commenting? If you don’t enjoy the content, find new content.
Thank you for diving into it Stephanie!!!
Clicked immediately! Such a sad case, this is the type that really sticks with you 💔
Hi Stephanie, just for the upcoming episodes it is pronounced Sauvie as in saw-vee Island and Multnomah as in molt-no-mah county. Great job covering the case! Can’t wait for the next episode. ❤
And Kyron is kie-run
Thank you
Came here to say the same!!! So glad his case is being covered, but wanted to point this out as well.
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@@amyma421 came to say this, as well…Kyron, like Byron..not the T.V. ticker :) Great job with the coverage!
Im so glad yall are covering this case. I was in Seaside Oregon a couple years ago and seen his missing poster in the window of a random store. It was so surreal. Poor boy😔
❤❤ Thank You. I have been asking for this. My husband worked with Tony until he retired. We want Kyron home.
It doesn't matter what the teacher thought about Kyron not being in class. Even if she thought he might be at the doctor's appt., it doesn't matter. As soon as the teacher reported Kyron as absent, it should have set things in motion. The office should have begun making phone calls until they reached either parent.
Yes!!!
Thank GOD you're covering this!❤❤
Omg I don’t know if I can handle the Stephanie that’s in this video!! Hahaha MANNNNNN Derrick you have some patience is all I can say!😂😂
She’s insufferable in most videos. I watch until she gets to those points and click off. I only watch mostly for Derrick’s take.
She was on one in this episode 😂. I am not a confrontational person and I was sweaty while listening.
Y'all are so sensitive...tf...
Nawwww that “dumbass” would’ve sent me lmao.
listened twice, once on podcast, and now here. i am so anxious for part 2… this is such a sad, and confusing case.
Kyron, though it has been a long time since anyone has seen you, we have not forgotten you. We are still saying your name and praying that you will come home somehow, someway, someday hopefully soon.
I love this show with the two of you guys but I do not envy Stephanie's job of telling the story and then knowing what's coming up listening to Derek play devils advocate (which is why I love this podcast! I love how Derek can give us so many insights and ideas) but as a strongly opinionated woman myself I would struggle so much not to just spill all the beans to back up my case! Stephanie is such a great 'story teller' for lack of a better word. She makes it so easy to follow!
So true! 🤣 I mean, sometimes you can tell she’s really having a hard time keeping it in but does an amazing job to reel herself back in! And in general. Amazing story teller! Research is done so well too! And so much THOUGHT out into each detail. Stephanie and Derrick are amazing!!
Thank you!
look, I know Terri is the one that did this, but I think Stephanie is being too harsh on derrick and twisting his words on purpose, she clearly knows what he means when he's sort of trying to explain the innocent version of things, and like, he doesn't even know the whole story now. he's going along based in just what has been said until now (1:19:36), so Stephanie shouldnt be so condescending with him....
She can't help it...sometimes their exchanges venture outside of the realm of polite conversation. Perhaps he has less time due to the start of his other show and Stephanie is a little miffed. They'll adjust and be back to normal PDQ.
@@trialgoddess yeah ur right, also she probably was just blinded by her anger towards Terry which I get! and I know derrick doesn't mind but if someone talked to me like that I would be very irritated :/
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@@ratpacks9781 I can relate 💯
No such thing as too long of an episode Derek! I could listen all day!
Living in Portland I was amazed TH wasn’t arrested. Sure seems like others have been convicted with less “circumstantial” evidence. Though LS was only convicted because they found Gannon. I just know one day Kyron will be found somewhere on Sauvie Island. So glad you’re covering this!🙏🏼
This little boy has just tugged at my heart ... Thanks for the update!
With my family, using separate staircases could have been either a race to see who's faster (obviously you can do that on the same staircase), or it could be an experiment to see which route is faster. It could also be that she went how she wanted to go and he just wanted to be different. Then seeing him get there and go in the door, not need to go further and just leave.