Its nice that they considered how potentially problematic the Tapus would be with the new moves, but they also decided to make ally switch a +2 priority move and hand it out like candy, so they have good and bad days :)
Those terrains with absurd stats and wide movepools along with: ultra beasts, Landorus, megas, Z-moves, Pelipper, legendaries/mythicals, Incenerior, Zygarde, Ash-Greninja, Toxapex, etc. really centralized the Gen 7 meta
Yeah, thank god none of the tapus get ioa tutor moves, can you imagine expanding force lele or rising voltage koko? Grassy glide bulu would also be bad
Now Indeedee and Rillaboom are the only dangerous terrain users. (Not saying the Tapus aren’t dangerous but more that they aren’t dangerous as a result of their terrain.)
@@jimmicrackhead12 it's possible man I would think ADD and it's interesting how similar people's experiences are with each but that's just his business anyway
Everyone else: waaaaaah koko didn't get rising voltage, lele didn't get expanding force, bulu didn't get grassy glide waaaaaaaaaah Me: aw man I can't blow up my narwhal head
I kinda loved that about them. It really fit their role of deities and made them unique, especially with the fairy typing as guardians. Plus it empowered their team mates, they weren't broken because of abilities like Huge Power or Battle Bond.
@@Kisarez I agree, it is a pretty cool concept if u ask me! However, balance and competitiveness were not the primary goals of those designs and ideas. The game designers basically forced every competitive player to play with *at least one tapu* per team. I'm not saying that's bad, competitive players actually prefer small pkmn metas because the less variables there are, the more predictable a battle is and the more predictable a battle is, the easier it is to master and to have fun! Another important factor to keep in mind is the addition of Z-moves. Those moves introduced a *whole new level of impredictability* which made the overall meta *very hard to deal with* , even for the best players in the world. One day you could find a normal Tapu Lele, and the next match you could find a Z-Grass Tapu Lele! Some coverage moves were used as *surprise nukes* , that's why this tactics were considered toxic game design by many. In the end I'm not saying everything's bad. Just that things are complex and have many viewpoints. I loved the thrilling unpredictability of Sun & Moon's metagame so I'm not complaining. (ive used some crazy builds too yaknow)
@@x10creeper52 I think things that can ONLY be countered by less than 12 Pokémon is a problem. Type advantage in Gen 1 was busted for Normal and Psychic as they had very, very little counterplay based on the actual typing but this improved as more mons were added and new types introduced (Steel being a new resistance against Normal and also Dark being a direct counter to Psychic in gen 2). The Tapu's have far less counters for terrrains compared to something simple like typings, had there been way more mons outside of the Tapu's able to neutralise or ignore the terrains they wouldn't have been as centralising.
All hail the totem things! In all seriousness some legendary Pokemon are insanely strong, and cannot be countered easily. Although most people don’t see it really, I believe that Heatran might have some interesting uses in Sandstorm teams.
Honestly, I only run 2 legendaries on my team, and the rest "except for one" are rarer mons. I only run the following Tornadus-I(Prankster) Tapu Fini Metagross Marowak(Alolan) Raichu Riolu(Eviolite) Basically, Tornadus-I is just for Tailwind and to trigger WP on Metagross, and Tapu Fini is to prevent random Hax. Everything else is for Anti-Meta.
Schorching Sands was my favorite new tutor move. like come on its awesome; a Ground Type move that can Burn i love moves like that, a move that gives a status effect not of its type. the 1st move like this was Scald and we all know how Scald completely changed the Meta and added a whole other aspect of strategy into the Meta. Scorching Sands may be 10 less base Power than Scald but it's still a great coverage move and one of the few Special Ground type moves. this move also changed the meta(not as much as Scald mind you but still quite significantly)now pretty much any charizard i see(including when i use charizard)has this move. its actually really great on charizard since its 4x weak to Rock and Scorching Sands is Ground Type allowing it to be 2x super effective and has a 30% chance to burn which can cripple an opposing Rock types Attack which can lead to you surviving more hits from that rock type pokemon's attacks. the only rock type move not effected by this is Power Gem which is impressive. you can pretty much cripple an entire type with a single move. i hope gamefreak creates more unique moves like this in the future. also Scorching Sands just sounds cool.
Interesting, I might have to look into who gets this move. In practice this move is good for an offensive ice or grass attacker who are the main threats to ground However this doesn't really mean much for say a garchomp, who on the one hand ignores grass and water but on the other hand is going to get railed by Ice beam, a special move. I suppose if you are trying to burn a water type and bypass its defenses, but to my earlier point, these threats to ground are special by trade and are probably running at least one of that move class
@@jeffhirsh5722 Its like a commando move. Like in breaking bad when walter told jessie about thallium. You get someone to get rid of that annoying triple axel user
Still waiting for the shuckle follow up wideo where you show how he is supreme in the new meta. Maybe even a team build shuckle vid for those who are new to his opness
I loved shuckle until all of the evil chansey minimize + shuckle guard split timer stall strats on showdown. There is nothing more annoying than playing 70 turns to fight for timer...
@Munch Lacks HAHAAAAA, SCOLIPEDE GO BRRRRRRRRR- Tbh Ive been wanting to use it for the longest time because those stats (and HA) don't lie 😳😳. i love bug types so I was super happy when i recently got a shiny one from a Dynamax Adventure. I was playing around on Showdown and he's s o much fun! With helping hand support, he hits s o hard lmaooo. Currently I'm using it on my Blacephatran team with Blacephalon, Heatran, Suicune, Rillaboom, Regieleki, and Scolipede, and to be honest I don't use it as much as I want to because Blacephatran is just such a good lead for most teams, but when I do use him it's a lot of fun 👉👈
the best partners for them are: koko: regieleki. lele: alakazam. bulu: whimsicott (only if it has nature power). fini: literally anything that you don't want to die to dragon energy, or maybe something with rest. yeah, i really don't know what to do with the last 2. rillaboom already has grassy surge and it's hard to find something that draws some sort of significant benefit from misty terrain, unless you want to use rest and then switch in lele on the next turn. just use rillaboom instead of bulu, it makes whimsicott a much easier sell.
Bulu is usually good with mons that are weak to EQ, especially rock types and steel types, not other grass pokemon Whimsicott with terrain pulse is usually better on Koko teams but I don't know why except for being hyper offensive
Alakazam is trash. You'd be better with Indeedee or Hatterene. Koko is just good when you don't wanna sleep. The Leki/Koko lead is kinda a bait. As cool as it seems; it's too weak to certain leads (read:Lando-T). But don't run Koko, leki is better positioned rn. Bulu is good with Metagross to "stop" EQ weakness. Heatran/Ttar/Incineroar too. (but why aren't you just using Rilaboom?) Fini is a solo carry, it IS the pain. (But legit, pair it with Galar Moltres + Heal pulse, it's spicy)
You forgot raichu alola, benefit from all terrein he get expanding force, rising voltage other than fake out and encore and speed double with the electric terrain . Very underrated with all the bird imo.
Electric: 1.3x power on elec moves, prevents sleep on grounded. That's it Grass:1.3x Power on Grass Moves, halfs damage of Ground Moves, +6% each turn. Misty: Prevents all Status and other conditions, halfs dragon damage, that's it Psychic: x1.3 on Psychic Moves, Prevents Priority Basically, by effects, Grassy would be the best
@@relaxn3918 It doesn’t half all ground moves. EQ, Bulldoze, and I forget if theees another but high horse power shouldn’t be nerfed unless it changed in gen 8
Aww, missed the opportunity for that sick rhyming intro by saying "everywhere" instead "all over the world". That's okay though the hair makes up for it
I think you should react to lockstinn & gnoggin’s video were he created a bunch of castform forms and theorize on how they could affect the meta if they were real since the effects he gave them would be very interesting
Honestly I'm pretty glad they didn't get these moves I was saying to a friend that if koko had got rising voltage and lele expanding force it would have basically invalidated the use of any other electric/psychic types. It would have been horrendous.
Commenting on Wolfey’s wideo for it to get into TH-cam’s circulation algorithm! I only started playing after the tapu’s were cut, so I wouldn’t know. Thanks!
If any Tapu had to be dominant in the meta, I'm glad it's Fini, because Misty Terrain is the healthiest for the game. It also means that I have to actually think when using Amoongus now instead of spamming Spore and getting to Top 200 on the Ranked Ladder.
I think the Best combo is Tapu Koko with Alolan Raichu.Speed Surfer or that Raichu's ability doubles speed in electric terrain,and there was an event where you could get one that also knew surf,which is good if you got a water absorb on your team.
from a singles perspective, tapu lele would be unkillable with expanding force. it wouldn't even need to run specs like it normally does, it could just run scarf and shred everything to bits at lightning speed
When you and coney were spectating smash bros players there was a match at the end where Mr Crocodile himself King K Rule won against Mr Bogart, Terry. It happened in a strange way and you both asked for an answer in the comment section but didn’t specify which comment section so I decided to come here. The item terry threw was the beetle. It’s main thing is that it flies forward and grabs the first person it hits, and then it flies up and tries to take them off the screen. If your percent is low enough you can mash out of it, but most players forget to. The secret property of the beetle is that if it’s hit by anything it turns around. Usually it’d be hit by another player’s attack so they could defend themselves, but in the Terry vs Croc match at the end there was a rolling barrel that was in the middle of bouncing. When rolling barrels or rolling crates are moving they have a hit box meaning they’ll do damage to anything that comes into contact with them. So the beetle hit the barre and turned around, then it grabbed Terry and carried him off the screen which is why King K rule won.
I wish they had at least gave something to bulu. The other terrain setters dont really compete with the tapus. But bulu is just outclassed by rilaboom in almost every way. And bulu is my favourite tapu :s
If I'm correct, even though it doesnt get Play Rough, Bulu has a higher Atk than Rillaboom. So if it had Grassy Glide, I think Rillabooms would move towards support & Bulu would be the full offense/banded one
In my opinion it's only tapu Koko and Lele that would be broken. Grassy surge bulu would still probably about on par with rillaboom because rilla still gets things like knock off and drum beating, and somehow has similar stats, just a little more speed instead of attack, and a little more hp instead of bulk. Fini also wouldn't be that great because misty explosion kinda sucks. If it didn't hurt your ally maybe it would be useful, but Fini is meant to be tanky, and if you wait until low hp to use it then misty terrain may have ended and you'll also end up doing significant damage to your ally, probably sacrificing them too.
I still think Rillaboom would be more useful as well. Especially with fake out. Does tapu bulu at least get play rough this generation? And I agree, people would be happy if tapu fini misty exploded most of the time lol. I think the biggest deal would be tapu lele and expanding force at first. Alakazam got usage purely because of expanding force. And you can’t fake out under psychic terrain. However, Assault Vest and dark types would rise to counter this.
The Tapus, particularly Tapu Lele, will probably still see tons of play. Now, I'm not a competitive battler, nor will I claim I know that much. What I do know, however, is that Lele + SR Calyrex are going to probably crush just about everything in their path. Forgive me if any of this is inaccurate, but I ran some calculations on Showdown's damage calculator. Max speed max Sp. Atk Calyrex with Modest nature vs Max speed Max HP Regieleki with a Timid nature. Calyrex was equipped with a Choice Scarf in this simulation, Regieleki has not been equipped with any items. Field condition was Psychic Terrain in doubles, and battle scene was set to doubles. Not only did Calyrex outspeed with scarf, but it had a 56.3% chance to OHKO. This is without any benefits from Grim Neigh. Regieleki is not going to be running defensive in most circumstances. Even with its best defensive efforts (Assault Vest + Max Sp. Def + Max HP), it's still a guaranteed 2 hit KO. Now, Regieleki isn't the best test, as it is quite frail. However, I wanted to test Regieleki in particular because of its speed. What this means is that there is nothing that can outspeed a Choice Scarf Shadow Calyrex, unless it possesses a Choice Scarf of its own. Psychic Surge, especially when paired with Tapu Lele specifically, is a nightmarish combination, as Sucker Punch - probably the most reliable way to take out S Calyrex, is completely out of the question, and Dark types in general are ill-advised due to Lele's Fairy coverage. This all culminates in a combination that will likely be the meta everywhere the two can be used in unison. I won't say that counterplay is nonexistent - as long as the foe can change the terrain for even just a single turn, Calyrex can be hit by Sucker Punch, and if Trick Room can be set, Calyrex then becomes hilariously exploitable. However, as long as Calyrex can get those first few KOs or set up a Nasty Plot, there's not much the enemy can do against Calyrex's rampage.
Bulu not getting Grassy Glide (and Play Rough) is annoying because it needed the buff the most but now it's just invalidated by Rillaboom. They were generally good with the distribution of terrain moves with the exception of that one mon which is just obnoxious.
I'm not that good at pokemon showdown but when regieleki first came out I had really easy success with spec tapu koko -> spec regieleki rising voltage to sweep after taking out ground types
I absolutely despise that Koko and Bulu don’t have play rough, it’s just ridiculously stupid and poorly put together. How do you make a physical fairy type and not give it play rough
Bulu got CC this gen but it wasn’t enough to make it better than Boom. Glide + Play Rough + CC would’ve probably been enough to make it comparable to rillaboom.
Sup, Wolfey. Love your videos. I'm still new to competitive Pokemon and you're actually the reason I got into it. I just hit Ultra in doubles for the first time 2 weeks ago. But if I can ask a question, do you think a SpAtk version of Intimidate would eventually be added and how strong do you think it would be, assuming its distributed properly? I don't know if you respond to questions like this. I'm still pretty much a noob, but I've played the games since Blue but never considered jumping into the competitive scene seriously since SwSh.
Nowhere near a pro vg player by any stretch. (Not even a casual honestly) but given that SpAtk was always the “magical” aspect of the offense I always wondered why Unnerve didn’t do that. Because 1 nobody uses berries and 2 if you’re nervous you wouldn’t be able to focus as well.
Gastrodon, Seismitoad, Quagsire, Swampert, Whiscash, Lanturn and Seaking say hi 👀👀 Why do I always say the obvious, most of these die to a 2 dazzling gleams anyway I think.
Rising voltage, grassy slide and Expanding force Koko bulu and Lele were dreams in my life ... Would have loved to have them so that dynamax isn't broken "i make everyone go brrrr because i can't think"
I remember hating Tapu Fini so much I put it out on the GTS for a Pikachu, which I wanted. I was very stupid, but I still don't like Tapu fini that much.
Like it went into rillaboom who just because he at physical pace and damage and move pool basically made him impossible to deal with consistently and the only way to make him lose to these guys was to cripple speed tier
When the inevitable Australia region happens I want one of the box legendaries to be the rainbow serpent it would be a ground fairy type and it’s signature move would be called Dreamtime and it would have like 80 power and 100% sleep now that would ruin Pokémon
I hate Tapu Fini, the idea of it having misty explosion is actually appealing to me. I want to see it blow itself up so I don't have to deal with it anymore. The muddy water nonsense is ridiculous. The others are way less bs, change my mind.
Why dont they just ban the move. Competitive pokemon have always had a history of banning accuracy decreasing and evasion increasing moves, though the rules came outside from smogon ect, I think we could live without muddy water
@@darkbribe777 thats singles where they ban anything at the drop of the hat. VGC is much more hesitant to ban things and evasion historically isn't that good. Even muddy water isn't broken its just annoying. Both the muddy water user and opponent have to contend with accuracy issues
Day 1 of Asking Wolfey to do "Why Xurkitree is a Threat." Been having a lot of fun using them on my VGC team. They're NASTY in tailwind teams, and Electric Terrain Teams, decent coverage, and the highest Sp. Atk in the game. Regieleki Wishes they were on Xurkitree's Level.
Well, technically, with the way the ability works, Regieleki hits harder with it's electric moves the more multipliers you apply to it Let's take a Rising Voltage under Electric terrain with a Specs for both Xurkitree and Regieleki It's 70×2 ×1.3 × 1.5 × 1.5 for Xurkitree coming from a 173 SpA with Timid Compared to a 70×2 ×1.3 ×1.5 ×1.5×1.5 for Regieleki coming from a 100 SpA with Modest (because Regieleki can run modest whereas Xurkitree it's harder to justify it I think) which ends up with Regieleki beating Xurkitree by a few percent. Of course it still has no coverage and it would be incredibly weaker on any other type, but it's just to show how incredibly strong it's ability actually is, and even with Modest or Timid for both for fairness reason, even though it doesn't really happen in practice, Eleki is barely weaker than Xurkitree)
I've also been enjoying it. A core of Xurk, Tornadus, Mr Fish and scarf urshifu has been really strong for me. Just haven't worked out what the best other two mons are
I do think it's good for VGC that the tapus didn't get the terrain moves, but as a Singles player, it's really disappointing that they didn't. All 4 tapus are kinda garbage in singles now in the land of powercreep. Bulu literally got replaced by Rilla, and Tapu got replaced by Regieleki. Combine that with the fact that Koko and Bulu didn't even get their physical fairy stab, and it's really sad how the Tapus were just assassinated this generation.
I am the biggest fan of Tapu Lele (and Koko) but I think it is less viable in now's format. So yeah I would love Lele getting expanding force just so I will definitely use Lele on my team.
I think bulu coulda been really cool with play rough and grassy glide and something like regieleki for speed control. Undoubtedly though I think lele (despite being my favourite) would’ve ruined the game enjoyment wise if it got expanding force and have been the most broken
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Which Tapu do you think would have been the most broken with the terrain moves?
Probably Tapu Fini or Tapu Koko
Bulu
Bulu or LeLe, koko and fini don’t really need them
Bulu bc grassy glide
I don't want to imagine any of them but expanding force LeLe is still in my nightmares.
Its nice that they considered how potentially problematic the Tapus would be with the new moves, but they also decided to make ally switch a +2 priority move and hand it out like candy, so they have good and bad days :)
Ally switch😍
Those terrains with absurd stats and wide movepools along with: ultra beasts, Landorus, megas, Z-moves, Pelipper, legendaries/mythicals, Incenerior, Zygarde, Ash-Greninja, Toxapex, etc. really centralized the Gen 7 meta
The only thing here not good is Toxapex and maybe Zygarde and Magearna. The other things are fine especially Pelipper and Megas.
Mythicals and ash Greninja aren’t even allowed in vgc....
@@psychedvgc5564 we talking about singles too
All of those things were healthy thing in VGC
Besides Z moves
Even in singles, Pelipper isn't that bad. It's just an enabler
I'm SO happy that Tapu Lele doesn't get Expanding Force
Yeah, thank god none of the tapus get ioa tutor moves, can you imagine expanding force lele or rising voltage koko? Grassy glide bulu would also be bad
Now Indeedee and Rillaboom are the only dangerous terrain users. (Not saying the Tapus aren’t dangerous but more that they aren’t dangerous as a result of their terrain.)
I actually really wanted to have it lol
@@raven-narth9926 Tapu Lele with expanding force: Ha ha! ^-^ BEND OVER... 😈
Honestly I was kinda looking forward to using those tapus. Plus now that they don’t get those moves Tapu Bulu gets outclassed by Rillaboom
"People are going to think I'm really funny but... I am." Classic
A level of Self confidence none of us will reach
@@jimmicrackhead12 it's possible man I would think ADD and it's interesting how similar people's experiences are with each but that's just his business anyway
Everyone else: waaaaaah koko didn't get rising voltage, lele didn't get expanding force, bulu didn't get grassy glide waaaaaaaaaah
Me: aw man I can't blow up my narwhal head
Nice pfp
Narwhal head?
@ Tapu Fini I guess
No flip turn :(
Gage Young It’s more of a Marlin head or swordfish head in my opinion
I mean, their abilities were just so polarizing in last generation's metagame
Only they could put the terrains just by entering the field
They also nerfed the terrain multiplier from 1.5x to 1.3x which was a big deal
I kinda loved that about them. It really fit their role of deities and made them unique, especially with the fairy typing as guardians. Plus it empowered their team mates, they weren't broken because of abilities like Huge Power or Battle Bond.
@@Kisarez I agree, it is a pretty cool concept if u ask me!
However, balance and competitiveness were not the primary goals of those designs and ideas.
The game designers basically forced every competitive player to play with *at least one tapu* per team.
I'm not saying that's bad, competitive players actually prefer small pkmn metas because the less variables there are, the more predictable a battle is and the more predictable a battle is, the easier it is to master and to have fun!
Another important factor to keep in mind is the addition of Z-moves.
Those moves introduced a *whole new level of impredictability* which made the overall meta *very hard to deal with* , even for the best players in the world.
One day you could find a normal Tapu Lele, and the next match you could find a Z-Grass Tapu Lele!
Some coverage moves were used as *surprise nukes* , that's why this tactics were considered toxic game design by many.
In the end I'm not saying everything's bad.
Just that things are complex and have many viewpoints.
I loved the thrilling unpredictability of Sun & Moon's metagame so I'm not complaining. (ive used some crazy builds too yaknow)
@@x10creeper52 Sure, I totally see what you're saying.
@@x10creeper52 I think things that can ONLY be countered by less than 12 Pokémon is a problem. Type advantage in Gen 1 was busted for Normal and Psychic as they had very, very little counterplay based on the actual typing but this improved as more mons were added and new types introduced (Steel being a new resistance against Normal and also Dark being a direct counter to Psychic in gen 2). The Tapu's have far less counters for terrrains compared to something simple like typings, had there been way more mons outside of the Tapu's able to neutralise or ignore the terrains they wouldn't have been as centralising.
Ah, yes, competitive pokemon once again almost being ruined by legendaries. This time by the funny totem bird people.
when is it NOT almost ruined by legendaries, is a better question than what legend is going to ruin it at this point.
All hail the totem things! In all seriousness some legendary Pokemon are insanely strong, and cannot be countered easily. Although most people don’t see it really, I believe that Heatran might have some interesting uses in Sandstorm teams.
_giggles in Rayquaza_
_laughs in Mega Rayquaza_
*chuckles in Calyrex shadow rider*
Honestly, I only run 2 legendaries on my team, and the rest "except for one" are rarer mons.
I only run the following
Tornadus-I(Prankster)
Tapu Fini
Metagross
Marowak(Alolan)
Raichu
Riolu(Eviolite)
Basically, Tornadus-I is just for Tailwind and to trigger WP on Metagross, and Tapu Fini is to prevent random Hax. Everything else is for Anti-Meta.
Schorching Sands was my favorite new tutor move.
like come on its awesome; a Ground Type move that can Burn i love moves like that, a move that gives a status effect not of its type.
the 1st move like this was Scald and we all know how Scald completely changed the Meta and added a whole other aspect of strategy into the Meta.
Scorching Sands may be 10 less base Power than Scald but it's still a great coverage move and one of the few Special Ground type moves. this move also changed the meta(not as much as Scald mind you but still quite significantly)now pretty much any charizard i see(including when i use charizard)has this move. its actually really great on charizard since its 4x weak to Rock and Scorching Sands is Ground Type allowing it to be 2x super effective and has a 30% chance to burn which can cripple an opposing Rock types Attack which can lead to you surviving more hits from that rock type pokemon's attacks. the only rock type move not effected by this is Power Gem which is impressive. you can pretty much cripple an entire type with a single move. i hope gamefreak creates more unique moves like this in the future. also Scorching Sands just sounds cool.
Interesting, I might have to look into who gets this move. In practice this move is good for an offensive ice or grass attacker who are the main threats to ground
However this doesn't really mean much for say a garchomp, who on the one hand ignores grass and water but on the other hand is going to get railed by Ice beam, a special move.
I suppose if you are trying to burn a water type and bypass its defenses, but to my earlier point, these threats to ground are special by trade and are probably running at least one of that move class
@@ramblincapuchin9075 yeah but sadly this move is only effective on mixed or special attackers. but i think it might be one of my favorite moves.
@@jeffhirsh5722 Its like a commando move. Like in breaking bad when walter told jessie about thallium. You get someone to get rid of that annoying triple axel user
"The first move like this was scald."
Body Slam: am I a joke to you?
@@bleachpasta a normal type move? that hardly counts
Might as well said tri attack
Along with these moves, I'm upset that Koko and Bulu didn't get Play Rough. Koko was apparently supposed to get Close Combat as well.
Still waiting for the shuckle follow up wideo where you show how he is supreme in the new meta. Maybe even a team build shuckle vid for those who are new to his opness
I loved shuckle until all of the evil chansey minimize + shuckle guard split timer stall strats on showdown. There is nothing more annoying than playing 70 turns to fight for timer...
@@lukefalcon3086 wait 70 turns? how is somebody that patient to stall for 70 turns?
pness
These are the times we needed alola muk, he would've help us deal with these tapus, :(
But when the world needed alolan muk most, he vanished....
Someone put a spoon in it and stirred and it became regular Muk again. I'm sorry I'm the one to break down the news to you.
We got Alolan Marowak in Gen 8, why not Alolan Muk?
Well, now Scolipede is a good Tapu killer. It can 1-shot every major terrain setter this season :)
@Munch Lacks HAHAAAAA, SCOLIPEDE GO BRRRRRRRRR-
Tbh Ive been wanting to use it for the longest time because those stats (and HA) don't lie 😳😳. i love bug types so I was super happy when i recently got a shiny one from a Dynamax Adventure. I was playing around on Showdown and he's s o much fun! With helping hand support, he hits s o hard lmaooo. Currently I'm using it on my Blacephatran team with Blacephalon, Heatran, Suicune, Rillaboom, Regieleki, and Scolipede, and to be honest I don't use it as much as I want to because Blacephatran is just such a good lead for most teams, but when I do use him it's a lot of fun 👉👈
the best partners for them are:
koko: regieleki.
lele: alakazam.
bulu: whimsicott (only if it has nature power).
fini: literally anything that you don't want to die to dragon energy, or maybe something with rest.
yeah, i really don't know what to do with the last 2. rillaboom already has grassy surge and it's hard to find something that draws some sort of significant benefit from misty terrain, unless you want to use rest and then switch in lele on the next turn. just use rillaboom instead of bulu, it makes whimsicott a much easier sell.
Bulu is usually good with mons that are weak to EQ, especially rock types and steel types, not other grass pokemon
Whimsicott with terrain pulse is usually better on Koko teams but I don't know why except for being hyper offensive
Alakazam is trash. You'd be better with Indeedee or Hatterene.
Koko is just good when you don't wanna sleep. The Leki/Koko lead is kinda a bait. As cool as it seems; it's too weak to certain leads (read:Lando-T). But don't run Koko, leki is better positioned rn.
Bulu is good with Metagross to "stop" EQ weakness. Heatran/Ttar/Incineroar too. (but why aren't you just using Rilaboom?)
Fini is a solo carry, it IS the pain. (But legit, pair it with Galar Moltres + Heal pulse, it's spicy)
Hattrene is infinitely better than Alakazam
You forgot raichu alola, benefit from all terrein he get expanding force, rising voltage other than fake out and encore and speed double with the electric terrain . Very underrated with all the bird imo.
Sorry I'm new to vgc but based on this if a Pokemon has rest it can use in Misty Terrain and won't sleep! Is this correct?
The REAL Tapus in this gen are:
Fini
Rillaboom
Indeedee
Regieleki
😂
Nah koko is still good
I prefer tapu lele to indeedee
I also looked at Wolfeys twitter xDDD
@@jtwk3400 indeedee is a support which is why people enjoy it over lele
@@cuttlefish6839 true, indeedee is core on my trick room team
This was my chief concern for crown tundra. I was DREADING Tapu Lele expanding force. So glad they didn't do it.
Am I the only one who knows what Misty Terrain and Psychic terrain does... until they come up in battle, where you then forget which is which?
The only terrain I remember the effects of is grassy terrain and that’s only because it tells you every turn
Electric: 1.3x power on elec moves, prevents sleep on grounded.
That's it
Grass:1.3x Power on Grass Moves, halfs damage of Ground Moves, +6% each turn.
Misty: Prevents all Status and other conditions, halfs dragon damage, that's it
Psychic: x1.3 on Psychic Moves, Prevents Priority
Basically, by effects, Grassy would be the best
Wait misty halves dragon damage???? never knew..
@@relaxn3918 It doesn’t half all ground moves. EQ, Bulldoze, and I forget if theees another but high horse power shouldn’t be nerfed unless it changed in gen 8
@@stonalisa3729 The other one is magnitude.
Aww, missed the opportunity for that sick rhyming intro by saying "everywhere" instead "all over the world". That's okay though the hair makes up for it
Worst part the lack of glide and play rough literally makes tapu bulu absolutely shit and obsolete
Nah Koko and Bulu didn't need Play Rough. Physical threats like Lele and Fini deserved it.
@@tim1556 so very physical
Bulu's better than rilla tbh, fairy actually adds relevant resists towards urshifu and their wallbreaking capabilities are the same
0:11 "people are gonna think that I am just really funny but... and I am."
-Wolfe Glick 2020
you are truly genius.
I think you should react to lockstinn & gnoggin’s video were he created a bunch of castform forms and theorize on how they could affect the meta if they were real since the effects he gave them would be very interesting
"People are gonna think I'm funny, but... I am."
-Wolfe 2020
Heis
Steel Roller.
On EVERY pokemon.
🎩
🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
better one
defog
The virgin defog vs the chad steel roller
Prankster genies defog if they get it but otherwise idk
Wolfe’s Hidden ability: Hair’s Majesty
What does it do
Hey Wolfe, hope you’re doing well and having a good day! 😊
"Anyway, um, hello. What's going on? It's *cough*..."
11/10 intro.
Real youtubists, buff the Tapus. We are all doomed time to panic and be scared
Did anyone else sing this in your head while reading? Lol
“People are going to think that I’m really funny but...I am” This is truth
8:00 omg he DOES swear whoa
Great vid, loved it.
Honestly I'm pretty glad they didn't get these moves I was saying to a friend that if koko had got rising voltage and lele expanding force it would have basically invalidated the use of any other electric/psychic types. It would have been horrendous.
It would have ruined the vgc, but on the bright side no more tapus in ou.
A fairy type that ruined the meta, sounds familiar...
Xerneas *whistles*
Ehh gardevoir
dlc 1 smogon ou intensifies
1) if you think Xerneas and tapu fini are OP git good
2) tapu fini saved VGC21
Xerneas was absurdly broken in the singles meta, it's not about getting good, but about Xern being absurdly centralising.
Much love from Hawai'i and St Louis!
Talking about Bulu not getting a Phy Fairy move reminds me of Kyurem Black not having a strong Phy Ice move ... it only gets Icicle Spear sadly
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Commenting on Wolfey’s wideo for it to get into TH-cam’s circulation algorithm! I only started playing after the tapu’s were cut, so I wouldn’t know. Thanks!
I wish they gave bulu and koko play rough
Expanding force is already a nightmare
“Hey, what’s going on it’s *ahem* so....”
My favorite part of your vids is the intro
If any Tapu had to be dominant in the meta, I'm glad it's Fini, because Misty Terrain is the healthiest for the game.
It also means that I have to actually think when using Amoongus now instead of spamming Spore and getting to Top 200 on the Ranked Ladder.
I would of really like to see you talk about the legendary dogs since they all got buffs to their movepools
is it just me or does wolfy look even better in this video?
I could've sworn I heard Wolfe swear at 8:01
its so dope to hear how vgc is shaping up and how things are developing compared to smogon singles or even 3v3. i love you mister Weegeecee man!
Day 87 of asking WolfeyVGC to use Rotom-Fan with air balloon for 300k subs, because air supremacy is best supremacy
tapus scary :(
Use air or shave hair.
Just in case the opponent has Mold Breaker Excadrill
I’m so sad that Tapu lele didn’t get expanding force :(
He should have all subscribers, top tier comedy and hair
Hey wolfe! happy 51 days until christmas
I think bulu with grassy glide woulda been pretty crazy, but the worst would have definitely been lele
"people are gonna think i'm funny... because i am"
I think the Best combo is Tapu Koko with Alolan Raichu.Speed Surfer or that Raichu's ability doubles speed in electric terrain,and there was an event where you could get one that also knew surf,which is good if you got a water absorb on your team.
Tapus: didnt get the moves
Me: nO tErRaIn pUlSe NoOoO
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(I’m so glad we don’t have to deal with expanding force tapu lele too)
from a singles perspective, tapu lele would be unkillable with expanding force. it wouldn't even need to run specs like it normally does, it could just run scarf and shred everything to bits at lightning speed
But the dark type exists
@@Bruhktghnfgf This person recommended Expanding Force + Choice Scarf. Dark type could switch in and counter under those circumstances
When you and coney were spectating smash bros players there was a match at the end where Mr Crocodile himself King K Rule won against Mr Bogart, Terry.
It happened in a strange way and you both asked for an answer in the comment section but didn’t specify which comment section so I decided to come here.
The item terry threw was the beetle. It’s main thing is that it flies forward and grabs the first person it hits, and then it flies up and tries to take them off the screen. If your percent is low enough you can mash out of it, but most players forget to.
The secret property of the beetle is that if it’s hit by anything it turns around. Usually it’d be hit by another player’s attack so they could defend themselves, but in the Terry vs Croc match at the end there was a rolling barrel that was in the middle of bouncing. When rolling barrels or rolling crates are moving they have a hit box meaning they’ll do damage to anything that comes into contact with them.
So the beetle hit the barre and turned around, then it grabbed Terry and carried him off the screen which is why King K rule won.
I wish they had at least gave something to bulu. The other terrain setters dont really compete with the tapus. But bulu is just outclassed by rilaboom in almost every way. And bulu is my favourite tapu :s
If I'm correct, even though it doesnt get Play Rough, Bulu has a higher Atk than Rillaboom. So if it had Grassy Glide, I think Rillabooms would move towards support & Bulu would be the full offense/banded one
Alternate title:
How Hawaii legends ruined an inocent game
In my opinion it's only tapu Koko and Lele that would be broken. Grassy surge bulu would still probably about on par with rillaboom because rilla still gets things like knock off and drum beating, and somehow has similar stats, just a little more speed instead of attack, and a little more hp instead of bulk. Fini also wouldn't be that great because misty explosion kinda sucks. If it didn't hurt your ally maybe it would be useful, but Fini is meant to be tanky, and if you wait until low hp to use it then misty terrain may have ended and you'll also end up doing significant damage to your ally, probably sacrificing them too.
I still think Rillaboom would be more useful as well. Especially with fake out. Does tapu bulu at least get play rough this generation? And I agree, people would be happy if tapu fini misty exploded most of the time lol.
I think the biggest deal would be tapu lele and expanding force at first. Alakazam got usage purely because of expanding force. And you can’t fake out under psychic terrain. However, Assault Vest and dark types would rise to counter this.
Thank God Steel Roller exists.(Removes terrain and is a steel type move)
THANK YOU PURPLE INTRO. BEST COLOR
The Tapus, particularly Tapu Lele, will probably still see tons of play. Now, I'm not a competitive battler, nor will I claim I know that much. What I do know, however, is that Lele + SR Calyrex are going to probably crush just about everything in their path.
Forgive me if any of this is inaccurate, but I ran some calculations on Showdown's damage calculator. Max speed max Sp. Atk Calyrex with Modest nature vs Max speed Max HP Regieleki with a Timid nature. Calyrex was equipped with a Choice Scarf in this simulation, Regieleki has not been equipped with any items. Field condition was Psychic Terrain in doubles, and battle scene was set to doubles.
Not only did Calyrex outspeed with scarf, but it had a 56.3% chance to OHKO. This is without any benefits from Grim Neigh. Regieleki is not going to be running defensive in most circumstances. Even with its best defensive efforts (Assault Vest + Max Sp. Def + Max HP), it's still a guaranteed 2 hit KO. Now, Regieleki isn't the best test, as it is quite frail. However, I wanted to test Regieleki in particular because of its speed.
What this means is that there is nothing that can outspeed a Choice Scarf Shadow Calyrex, unless it possesses a Choice Scarf of its own. Psychic Surge, especially when paired with Tapu Lele specifically, is a nightmarish combination, as Sucker Punch - probably the most reliable way to take out S Calyrex, is completely out of the question, and Dark types in general are ill-advised due to Lele's Fairy coverage.
This all culminates in a combination that will likely be the meta everywhere the two can be used in unison. I won't say that counterplay is nonexistent - as long as the foe can change the terrain for even just a single turn, Calyrex can be hit by Sucker Punch, and if Trick Room can be set, Calyrex then becomes hilariously exploitable. However, as long as Calyrex can get those first few KOs or set up a Nasty Plot, there's not much the enemy can do against Calyrex's rampage.
Naw its land t and fini
You should talk about how If grass starter have ever been faster they are impossible to deal with entirely
Bulu not getting Grassy Glide (and Play Rough) is annoying because it needed the buff the most but now it's just invalidated by Rillaboom. They were generally good with the distribution of terrain moves with the exception of that one mon which is just obnoxious.
I'm not that good at pokemon showdown but when regieleki first came out I had really easy success with spec tapu koko -> spec regieleki rising voltage to sweep after taking out ground types
Freaking hate regileki in showdown
I wonder if many would start to run steel roller if the tapus got the terrain moves.
The Leaks made me hunt bulu and it’s shiny is great but it can’t use grassy glide
I'm just disappointed they didn't give play rough to Bulu or Koko
I absolutely despise that Koko and Bulu don’t have play rough, it’s just ridiculously stupid and poorly put together. How do you make a physical fairy type and not give it play rough
Bulu got CC this gen but it wasn’t enough to make it better than Boom. Glide + Play Rough + CC would’ve probably been enough to make it comparable to rillaboom.
Sup, Wolfey. Love your videos. I'm still new to competitive Pokemon and you're actually the reason I got into it. I just hit Ultra in doubles for the first time 2 weeks ago. But if I can ask a question, do you think a SpAtk version of Intimidate would eventually be added and how strong do you think it would be, assuming its distributed properly?
I don't know if you respond to questions like this. I'm still pretty much a noob, but I've played the games since Blue but never considered jumping into the competitive scene seriously since SwSh.
Nowhere near a pro vg player by any stretch. (Not even a casual honestly) but given that SpAtk was always the “magical” aspect of the offense I always wondered why Unnerve didn’t do that. Because 1 nobody uses berries and 2 if you’re nervous you wouldn’t be able to focus as well.
@@Papercut625 what tf you mean, berries are uncommon and all but i would not say that nobody uses them
"Hello, it's *coughs* and today we're going to be talking about"
i remember when everybody ran a rain team (especially on showdown ladder) and i think koko would absolutely destroy that with rising voltage
I'm pretty sure rising voltage gets the terrain boost too so it's 182 bp in terrain if the target is grounded. Basically any water type is dead.
Gastrodon, Seismitoad, Quagsire, Swampert, Whiscash, Lanturn and Seaking say hi 👀👀
Why do I always say the obvious, most of these die to a 2 dazzling gleams anyway I think.
Wolfe actually has a fresh cut, im about it
All the Tapus Shinies are so clean.
Rising voltage, grassy slide and Expanding force Koko bulu and Lele were dreams in my life ...
Would have loved to have them so that dynamax isn't broken "i make everyone go brrrr because i can't think"
Regieleki gets the terrain moves 😁
Already made a team with koko and eleki
YES WIDEO MAN IS BACK!!!!!
I remember hating Tapu Fini so much I put it out on the GTS for a Pikachu, which I wanted.
I was very stupid, but I still don't like Tapu fini that much.
I know those demon horns, I used them in my editing project a few months back for a class.
Like it went into rillaboom who just because he at physical pace and damage and move pool basically made him impossible to deal with consistently and the only way to make him lose to these guys was to cripple speed tier
“…the bug one isn’t very good…” wow what a shocker 😔
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When the inevitable Australia region happens I want one of the box legendaries to be the rainbow serpent it would be a ground fairy type and it’s signature move would be called Dreamtime and it would have like 80 power and 100% sleep now that would ruin Pokémon
I hate Tapu Fini, the idea of it having misty explosion is actually appealing to me. I want to see it blow itself up so I don't have to deal with it anymore. The muddy water nonsense is ridiculous. The others are way less bs, change my mind.
I see tapu fini literally everywhere it’s not fun
I agree that muddy water is pretty bullshit but I love tapu fini for shutting down sleep.
Why dont they just ban the move. Competitive pokemon have always had a history of banning accuracy decreasing and evasion increasing moves, though the rules came outside from smogon ect, I think we could live without muddy water
@@darkbribe777 thats singles where they ban anything at the drop of the hat. VGC is much more hesitant to ban things and evasion historically isn't that good. Even muddy water isn't broken its just annoying. Both the muddy water user and opponent have to contend with accuracy issues
Fini is like anti hax for your team (no random burns or Para or whatever) but omega hax for the enemy team
Day 1 of Asking Wolfey to do "Why Xurkitree is a Threat."
Been having a lot of fun using them on my VGC team. They're NASTY in tailwind teams, and Electric Terrain Teams, decent coverage, and the highest Sp. Atk in the game. Regieleki Wishes they were on Xurkitree's Level.
Well, technically, with the way the ability works, Regieleki hits harder with it's electric moves the more multipliers you apply to it
Let's take a Rising Voltage under Electric terrain with a Specs for both Xurkitree and Regieleki
It's 70×2 ×1.3 × 1.5 × 1.5 for Xurkitree coming from a 173 SpA with Timid
Compared to a 70×2 ×1.3 ×1.5 ×1.5×1.5 for Regieleki coming from a 100 SpA with Modest (because Regieleki can run modest whereas Xurkitree it's harder to justify it I think) which ends up with Regieleki beating Xurkitree by a few percent.
Of course it still has no coverage and it would be incredibly weaker on any other type, but it's just to show how incredibly strong it's ability actually is, and even with Modest or Timid for both for fairness reason, even though it doesn't really happen in practice, Eleki is barely weaker than Xurkitree)
Technically speaking, deoxys attack has highest sptk but it doesn’t matter cause it’s not in swss and it wouldn’t be legal anywys
I've also been enjoying it. A core of Xurk, Tornadus, Mr Fish and scarf urshifu has been really strong for me. Just haven't worked out what the best other two mons are
@@ColgatetheTogekiss ACTUALLY it's Mega Mewtwo X, but who even cares about megas
@@jacksonsmith2955 lol yeah megas don’t exist I’m talking about base forms. And TECHNICALLY it’s not mega mewtwo x, it’s mega mewtwo y
How Pokémon’s was almost ruined by ‘tapu’ (Te kupu Māori) would be an interesting way to frame the video too 😂
Koko & Fini were OP back in VGC
Lele & Bulu were OP back in TCG
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I make my volcarona sweep outside the house . He’s gotta wear his boots though
The water one is aqua jet, for the animation
What if ALL legendaries were not allowed online?
I do think it's good for VGC that the tapus didn't get the terrain moves, but as a Singles player, it's really disappointing that they didn't. All 4 tapus are kinda garbage in singles now in the land of powercreep. Bulu literally got replaced by Rilla, and Tapu got replaced by Regieleki. Combine that with the fact that Koko and Bulu didn't even get their physical fairy stab, and it's really sad how the Tapus were just assassinated this generation.
I think Tapu and Rilaboom would be used together a lot if it got GG. Staggering your terrain setters can be nasty.
For a second there I thought the title was 'How Pokémon was almost ruined by tupac'
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Exeggutor hair:
I am the biggest fan of Tapu Lele (and Koko) but I think it is less viable in now's format. So yeah I would love Lele getting expanding force just so I will definitely use Lele on my team.
I think bulu coulda been really cool with play rough and grassy glide and something like regieleki for speed control. Undoubtedly though I think lele (despite being my favourite) would’ve ruined the game enjoyment wise if it got expanding force and have been the most broken
I had just been talking about this. Tapu Lele would have been an absolute monster with Expanding Force 😅
So good, especially specs lol
I'm just happy that we can finally shiny hunt the Tapus 😄
i finally build a team that competes