I think what makes it even more impressive is that it’s clear you’re focused on quality, but it still feels like you. You haven’t lost any of what makes your videos so great!
I I like the video idea, but I'm so interested to know what would happen if a Pokémon were allowed to have three types! If only there was a bearded man with numerous accolades in competitive Pokémon to teach me!
I think one factor you forgot to mention is that type specific Immunities would now be even more prevalent defensively and giving Pokémon like Klefki the Ghost/Steel/Fairy type gives it not only 4 immunities but also makes it have the ability to not be trapped by trapping moves and abilities. By giving triple types you risk a lot of Pokémon not only having more offenses but having more niche immunities like immunity to Powder moves, immunity to prankster, immunity to Burn/Poison/Paralysis, trapping moves. It’s already one thing to know all the intricacies of the current types like Ice types being immune to Sheer Cold and Freeze, but now having to balance Sheer Cold immunity with anti-trapping and prankster immunity is a lot more information to manage.
Side note: IMO making dark types immune to prankster feels like a lazy way to nerf the ability, it doesn't really add strategic depth in an interesting way and feels more like just a bonus instead of something you can plan around. They could at least make it not affect the turn order instead of just making the prankster move fail...
@@quintonclothier6171 It makes pressure useless for Singles and moves like Spite, Grudge and Eerie Spell worthless (which I guess is only anti-stall and stall related moves). Infinite PP would actually effect certain moves as now Charizard can spam infinite amount of Max Flare Blast Burns without drawback and while rare there are instances where you want to play around said scenario if need be (not recommended since it’s Charizard but hey if you can stall out 8 Blast Burns then you’re at least removing its strongest stab).
I will be honest Wolfey, I loved and have sincerely missed the non-edited content with the funny intros and raw entertainment. HOWEVER, this is one of the best videos I have watched from you and I was entertained the whole time. It's both incredibly approachable because of an easy concept like typing but you offer incredible insight that is extremely entertaining with funny quips. HUGE PROPS. Been watching for a few years and I love it.
I prefer this style of content, but do also like seeing the goofy ones every now and then. I think these theory videos are best presented like this, whereas casual conversations about things like moves and such are served well with the casual atmosphere he brings to them.
Ok so no. People use the argument of it lives under water it should be water type but don't understand why exactly it lives there. It lives under water cause whenever it flaps it's wing it makes storms so to prevent storms it lives under water.
I think the bigger problem than 8x weaknesses is that 4x weaknesses would become a lot more common. Pokemon with 4x weaknesses are almost barely playable and with 3 types the likelihood of each individual Pokemon having 1 or more 4x weakness triples.
Okay, x8 weaknesses, are you serious?! That's for if Pokemon are able to get a 4th type and all 4 types share the same weakness. The correction is if the type combination has the same weaknesses for all 3 types, it's 6x weakness to a particular type (for example Bug/Grass/Fairy-Type would now be 6x weak to Poison-Types). Same thing for if all 3 types are super effective against the same type, then it would be 6x for super effective damage.
@@IgnitedQuils Sound-type might be interesting but I'm not sure how different it could be from Normal. I thought about separating Flying into Aerial and Wind, similar to Rock and Ground being separate, and Sound moves could be incorporated into Wind but then I get stuck and weak/resist charts for it. What I would be really interested in would be a Light type. I've seen people argue against a Light type, saying that Normal/Psychic/Fairy is basically already the "Light" type. I argue instead of thinking in terms of moves like Flash and Moonblast, convential light, make the Light type the Angel or Holy type. Pokemon doesn't have any conventional angels or holy figures outside of Arceus so I think it would make a really compelling type!
As for the complications of STAB, the one way they could balance it would be if STAB got weaker the more types a Pokemon has. For example, 1.6x for monotypes, 1.3x for dual types, and 1.2x for triple types.
Every single one of his arguments can be countered with the following implementation: Make a held item (??? stone), that gives you an additional type when your Pokemon is holding it. Only once on each team, like Z moves or mega stones. So Gyarados + Dragon Stone = Water/Flying/Dragon Won't have OP boost of triple STAB + Choice item, just triple STAB and better resistances, won't have 8x weaknesses (unless the player chooses to have that), won't be hard to design, you don't need new forms, just indicate the item with a recolour (Charizard + Dragon Stone = some purple elements/ purple particles around it)
@@aldoushuxley5953 Hey, this is neat! This would also negate the OP of some mons that would benefit from a new held item like Gyarados with dragon-water-flying type.
@@frank2mb True :) I think it is likely that this will be the new gimmick, since the gimmicks are usually "teased" first. So for example the gems in gen 5, and then Z crystals in gen 7. We have the moves Halloween and Forest Curse, which add the ghost or grass type, and the ability steelworker, which adds stab to steel moves (but not the steel resistances) I kind of feel like this has all be implemented, to see if third types are necessarily OP...
I like how your content doesn't assume that your viewers are into competitive pokemon or even pokemon in general, while still being interesting to someone who knows what you're talking about. It's a hard line to walk between making your content accessible and making something that enthusiasts would want to watch and you should be proud
@@defensivekobra3873 and in a few cases like eelektross specifically the levitate is given to a single type pokemon, electric has ground as the only weakness and levitate just solves that for the most part (except against the mold breaker ability and the smack down move, anyway both can be also covered by stucking a flying balloon on that motherfuckin fish) but without giving it any of the weaknesses of flying type pokemon and also giving none of the stabsp, but i get that it sounds interesting if the ability was "third type: X" only given to dual type pokemon and maybe as a hidden ability in some cases or a second ability that would be kind of a sacrifice of the powerful first ability for pokemons like solgaleo making you choose between having "full metal body" or the damage modifiers and stabs of the "third type: fire"
I think an interesting way to balance tri-typing is to slowly weaken stab moves based on the number of types. 1 Type: +50% Stab 2 Types: +40% Stab 3 Types: +30% Stab This makes it where you trade power for coverage. This balance allows for single types to be the strongest in their stab moves, and might allow for an interesting change in the meta.
But you aren't trading power for coverage, because a pokemon can't choose how many types it wants to have, it just has them. It would be a major nerf to pokemon who don't need it
@@dracoblizzard7944 the solution isn’t perfect, but if a Pokémon has 3 types, their coverage is automatically better by default due to the number of stab moves. Mixing types has a defensive downside, but offensively there is zero downside to adding more types. Yes, Pokémon don’t choose to be more or less types, but that doesn’t mean they choose their weaknesses either.
@@dracoblizzard7944 make Single types stronger, duel types the same and tri types weaker, I think it would be fine. I just focused on what the number is now, and didn’t think of single types being made stronger then default. So I think your idea for the numbers is better overall
Fun Fact : In the video talking about Lugia and Ho-oh when they were distributed in USUM, the developers said that the only reason that Lugia had a psychic type was because this type was powerful when gen 2 was released. That's it
Then, they should change it since they were able to add and change the previous types to fairies already. Now a days, their excuses encompasses 1 word, Laziness.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dhelmise at all! Having an ability that effectively gives it a third STAB is an interesting approach, even if Dhelmise itself isn't great.
If you look at the point before the big wall of text comes on the screen you can see it talks about dhelmise lol its a blink and you will miss it moment.
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Water type fish are overdone, just because something lives in water doesn't mean it has to be water type, I really like all the non water type aquatic pokemon, and I would love to see more.
Masquerain was a disappointment, like ignoring stats, up until the Dewpider line.. Surskit was the Bug/Water type.. and then evolves into a generic Bug/Flying.. like why.. it lost it's uniqueness
@@BaconNuke Thats what I felt too. Its like Nincada, has an interesting typing yet evolves into the typical bug flying (st least shen gets a new typing) and the only other mon to get bug ground is a form of wormadam
@@squirrelwithabanana so for the first half of the video another editor handled it but their computer crashed on them before they could make corrections so I just applied a coat of polish onto it and added some additional scenes. Meaning that I didn’t see what was written into the suggestions of the script notes for that half. I know Wolfey has made a video saying that dynamax is one of the better gimmicks so far. My guess is as a fellow vgc player it could be that dynamax makes defensive play less effective and games can pretty easily be decided in the first turn if a person has a good lead and then capitalizes with a max pokemon.
@@efiug And the thing is, it used to know Bubble until that got axed in Gen 8. All Pokemon that knew it prior got it replaced with Water Gun, but it got Acid (which it always knew prior but has it as a starting move). Yeah it does has Poison Touch as a secondary ability, and learns moves like Venom Drench, Venoshock, Sludge Wave and Toxic (by breeding).
I've always found Cradily's typing to be very interesting, and I think adding something like water typing would make for a fairly interesting mon, albeit potentially broken. I feel like it would make sense canonically as an ancient plant as it looks like those tendrils could absorb water.
ok but what if every pokemon could Also be "SUPER NORMAL TYPE": these pokemon are so normal that they have 0 weaknesses and hit everything for weakness. that’s what we REALLY need in pokemon rn
That's a great idea but what if they introduced the "ULTRA EVOLUTION": after mega evolving, some pokemon can ULTRA evolve and every single one of their moves is replaced by a one hit KO move that can't be evaded or protected (and it also bypasses substitute and shit) that would make pokemon great again for sure
I especially enjoy that Wolfey said the main problem for 3 types is how OP they would be offensively and terastilisation only gives 3 types to Pokémon offensively and not defensively.
Drapion should’ve been Dark, Poison, and Bug type. I know this change would probably just make it worse defensively, put it just makes too much sense thematically. It’s pre-evolution Scorupi even IS a bug type so this one feels like an obvious choice to me.
Consider: You could choose a third type as either a defensive or offensive type. Dragonite can create mighty storms but it doesn't have a body made of lightning.
@@pureteddybear_ you can go on showdown dmg calculator, k don't have the formula but that's the website most comp players use In-game to calc their moves
I think that the first problem could be fixed by simply capping the super effective move bonus at 4x. Keeping it similar to how it was, and fixing the issue without making one type too powerful and one Pokémon extremely weak.
For Lunala, I think that Fairy type fits way better than Dark type, because Moonblast and Moonlight are both Fairy type, and Dark is more an "Evil type" than a "Darkness and night" type.
Exactly. The Japanese name for dark type also literally means "evil". Dark type pokemon and moves are usually more about deception, thievery, and bad intentions than literal darkness. It's why criminal organizations use a lot of dark type pokemon.
Masquerain could retain its water typing! That's a big deal to me as my gen 3 bug-type runs always hit major speed bumps when reaching rock or fire types (Flannery, Team Magma). Surskit with bubble (yes bubble), was a huge boon, until it evolves, loses its stab and gets a 4x weakness to rock, just to become a glorified beautifly or ninjask - which are already on my team
I've been doing a bug run on Emerald and the only wall I'm hitting is not a single bug learns surf. I literally had to catch a Gorebyss and pretend it's acshually a bug. Of course, I've been using Pinsir from level 1.
Unfortunately Masquerain isn't really a good fit for water typing in the lore, it can't fly in the rain and all of its limbs being wings makes that a big problem.
genuinely enjoyed this video, lots of knowledge but gave me lots of laughs too - love ur personality. also perfect timing cause this video comes at a time where there are rumors of a 3rd type mechanic this gen
@@nikunjkhangwal oh, definitely didn't see that. I think Dhelmise should have been discussed, not just been a comedic half second flash on screen. It literally is a perfect example of what he's talking about and he just ignores it?
@@TitanBait Well that's understandable but hey it's no big deal. There are many others who are more than just 2 types. A person can't cover all of them for fans.
I'd give a third type to my favorite Pokémon Toucannon. Idk what type would even make sense but I'd do anything to make that bird more viable lmao Great wideo across the board. I especially loved the editing in this one!
Now: consider fan rotom. Adding the flying type would be perfect for him! It would give immunity to ground type, protecting its electric typing! And it fits tematically!
I think one of the best way to implement a "third" typing would be this: - Make the third typing into a item. - Any pokemon holding this item gets that typing, including STAB and weaknesses. - Everytime a pokemon with that item appears it says "pokemon is now also x type" - You can knock off to remove the item + typing - You can fling your item to make the target into that typing until they change out. (overrides their current type item if they had any) - You can trick your item to change both yours and the enemys typing. And since its a item, you have to debate between "do I want more power with power orb/survability with leftovers or do I want to be more versitile in my STAB/Resists?" It would at least be the most interesting way to do things
Or like there will be just one item and a pokemon will get a third type once that item is held. For example, charizard will be fire/flying/dragon while holding the item while flygon will be bug/ground/dragon while holding the same item. The unpredictability can be reduced this way as well as reducing typings on pokemon that just does not make any sense at all. We wouldn't want a infernape with water typing now would we
@@shadmankabir5916 I agree. It would be incredibly cool to see what new types all the pokemon would have. What could also happen, is that only a few pokemon get the extra types, and the item is specific for them. It would fit the game because items have changed pokemons before. I definitely think 3 types would be interesting to see at least, even if they may be broken. Perhaps we could see an eternamax-like one off 3 type pokemon, idk.
Gyarados not having dragon type is actually it's reason for existing. There's some eastern legend where if a carp jumps over the dragon gate, it will begin to fly and turn into a dragon. But dragons have to be good and one of these dragons was too angry, and so had its dragonic nature removed, though it could still fly. That's the origin for Gyarados.
@SniperShiv Altaria does learning Disarming Voice and Moonblast by level up, also Dazzling Gleam and Play Rough by TM. Plus its nature can fit with being a Fairy type.
Instead of making something 8x weak, you’d need to rescale everything so that it’s more linear than exponential. E.g - 1x damage when neutral, 2x when weak, 3x when double type weak, 4x when triple type weak.
This is a really clever idea! I personally think something like 1x, 2x, 3.5x, 5x would be better so that a triple weakness would still be more than a current double weakness and the change doesn't hugely buff mons with current double weaknesses, but the idea behind your solution is interesting and creative!
Dark-type Lunala doesn't fit imo because I don't see it fitting as an "evil" Pokémon. I think an even more fitting type for it is Fairy due to its association with the moon, and that would be so insane because having fairy type is always nice and loses it's 4x weakness for a 2x weakness.
Also with the theme of alchemy it makes sense as well. The moon is seen as feminine and magical, both of which are represented by the fairy type Also moonlight and moonblast are fairy type, so the moon is already established as being associated with fairy types
@@e-money2141 Dark type is "evil" type in Japanese, the game's original language. I think you always have to take that into account when thinking about a "dark" type
Nice video, but I think we all knew going into this topic that it's not a viable option for a few key reason which you naturally covered. The more palatable game changer, in my opinion, would be dual-type moves. So, for example, fire punch would be fire/fighting type, scald fire/water type, etc. That would bring a new tactical layer to movesets without overcomplicating the battle mechanics, I think.
There have been diferent ways to try to implement a 3rd type withoutbeeig too OP: For example Steelworker ability for steel stab on Dhelmise Or in a room hack called Pokémon insurgence, where theres mega gothitelle (psyquic dark) had has an hability that givs her only the resistances and immunities of ghost type Or even electross with levitate, which is the same as having only the immunity of flying type What I'm trying to say is that abilities like this is the best way Pokémon has to try implementing a 3rd type Pokémon in an specific way without changing the metagame complety and too unbalanced and complicated.
But then a third type actually being implemented would invalidate those abilities, no? What would stop them from giving Dhelmise the steel type and such. It would be weird tbh.
@@Takapon218 I suppose if they implemented a 3rd type it would be like megas or gigantamax Like imagine if because of legends of arceus history they put ancestral form or something like this in gen 9 They could implement 3 types only in specific mons, a few of them
Hey, uh, Insurgence is not a ROM hack. To quote the insurgence FAQ: "This game is not a ROM hack, it has been created on its own using RPG Maker XP and Pokémon Essentials. It is an .exe file, like most PC-based video games. This means that you don't need any extra programs to run it, and that it won't necessarily run on all platforms that can run ROM hacks."
I love that the topic of a third type gets tossed around so much and discussions on the concept are always speculation... but forest's curse already exists.
@@iantaakalla8180 not if its third type is water, which is honestly more likely for it to get i mean, the whole concept of dhelmise is that it _isn't_ the anchor, so actually steel is probably the _least_ likely tritype for it to get
I’d be curious how it would function if a third type were added, but in such a way that all multipliers for it are reduced. Like, a Pokemon’s tertiary type only changes weaknesses/resistances by 1.5x, and it’s STAB is only a 1.2x boost or something. The third type is still relevant like this, but inherently nerfed compared to the primary two types
I’ve thought about something like that when thinking about how the order of a Pokémon’s types doesn’t matter, like Toxapex is Poison/Water but tentacool is Water / Poison and rn it doesn’t matter. Tiering the types so their impact is like what you’re suggesting could work
When you said a pair of legendaries, I was sure you were going to talk about the ones I had been waiting for all video, Kyurems black and white formes. I remember being sure they'd have a third type when "pokemon grey" inevitably was going to come out
The fangame Pokémon Insurgence introduces an ability that gives the user the resistances and immunities of Ghost types, while not giving them the weaknesses or giving their Ghost-type moves STAB, essentially like the reverse of Steelworker. It works really well as a sort of pseudo third type and it's something I'd love to see in future official games. It was wild trying to use Fake Out on a Psychic-type only to learn it was immune
I loved playing with Delhmise in the Alola Games, because it gave some varied options. I feel that giving a few other Pokémon a similar ability is the fair way to balance it: it gives the offensive benefits, but only by sacrificing a different ability (and can be exclusive to fit a Pokémon's theme)
It's cool that you've been talking about typing so much lately! Especially since it seems as if that may have something to do with the gimmick of Gen 9, based on the big mural with all of the types in a circle we saw in the trailer.
Your editing style never fails to bring a smile to my face. Keep at it! I do like the idea of Pokemon having 3 typings from a lore perspective (like Toxicroak, it should absolutely be Poison/Fighting/Dark) but the balancing issues caused by it would be insane. Maybe having abilities that add STAB like Dhelmise's might be an okay addition?
When you think about it, charizard shouldn’t ever get dragon. If charizard got dragon, it would take neutral damage from water. Something that no fire type starter should be able to do.
a lot of good arguments against pokemon having 3 types, bug imagine a volcorona switching in only to get oneshit by stealth rocks (or surviving thanks to sash), that would be hella funny
For the 8x weakness issue, there is already at least one existing Pokemon suffering from this - Dry Skin Parasect. Grass/Bug + an extra fire weakness from Dry Skin really hurts. I'm also kindof surprised you didn't cover Trick-or-Treat or Forest Curse, which allow for 3 or even 4 typings on a Pokemon. Oh, and Dhelmise lives underwater and is not Water type.
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I didn't say Dhelmise is 3 type, I mentioned Dhelmise because Wolfe commented that all Pokémon that live underwater are Water types.
Despite me thinking it looks like a Dark type, it isn’t a Dark type by nature, despite the X-Ray vision. Dark type is known as the evil type, and it doesn’t have a violent or malicious disposition.
@@IgnitedQuils while dark type was meant to be the evil type, I feel like the theme of it has become more implication than intention at this rate. A.Weezing is dark because the implication of it being a sign of pollution, not necessarily because it's evil
2:48 - Nice trick. Thought I was losing my mind and had actually forgotten its type. I feel like it'd be cool if, instead of giving a third type to a Pokemon, they gave a secondary type to the _moves_ in some situations. I feel like that'd be a nice in-between from this video and the last one about learning a 5th move.
Even though a Pokémon with three types will probably never happen (due to the same reason why Pokémon probably won’t have 5 moves), it’s very interesting to see what the meta would look like if they did exist and what Pokémon would get them. Also, it’ll be cool to see a video on what if stuff like Mega Evolution and/or Z-Moves where in Sword and Shield to see how well they fair up against Dynamax and what the meta would look like if they got added.
when i saw the plates for the first time i thought they would add their respective typing to the pokemon equipping it. It would be cool if they function like that.
@@Des_kun4033 Although I am a fan of chaos it would completely ruin competitive. Btw how would Arceus work then if plates change pokemon types would Arceus just always have the legend plate active
@@trappedcosmos i think you can still choose which plate to equip but if it's in this theoretical situation most people would just pick the legend plate because it has every type in it. Also your question reminds me of a video, What if arceus has all types.
Pokémon that thematically have a third type, like Charizard-dragon, should get an “associated type” added as a 3rd (or even 4th) type. This could give something like a 1.2x stab bonus. A third 1.5x stab would be really strong and somewhat game breaking. But a 1.2x damage bonus to the 3rd type would be a nice nod.
We have already kind of seen this with dhelmise’s steelworker ability effectively giving it stab steel moves. I think there maybe more mons like this but none with 3 types at once.
It was real interesting to see how adding a third type changed things up. Does make me wonder though; how much would it change if Lunala gained Fairy type instead of Dark?
Kyurem would be thematically fit for third types, maybe base Kyurem (emptiness) being ghost, and then the fusions adopting the respective elemental type of Reshiram and Zekrom - absolutely wouldn't be balanced as Kyurem also gets access to their respective signature moves, but in theory it might weaken it defensively but may also buff it in some regards too
Personally, I feel like Pokemon should stick with what it's doing in having abilities that act as a third typing. Steelworker is the obvious poster child, but another interesting example is Toxtricity's "Punk Rock", which ostensibly makes it a Sound Type Pokemon, adding both Stab and a resistance.
I would give my favorite pokemon, Golurk, the fighting type. I don't think it would help defensively that much, but Golurk generally has fighting type moves most of the time anyway, and it makes sense outside of combat as well.
With both of the changes you’ve talked about recently, like third types and extra moves, it got me thinking that the most interesting thing I could hope out of game freak would be hybridization. Making breeding even more dynamic and maybe letting Pokémon inherit types from others in their egg groups could help out Pokémon lower on the ladder and add more diversity to those at the top. Meanwhile legendaries and mythicals that can’t breed wouldnt benefit at all, hopefully making it so they cant abuse the system and nullify any reason for change!
What if it was a third type could be gained through an item that can be activated during battle like a mega stone or z-crystal? You could limit it to one Pokemon per battle and it could be a generational gimmick.
Idea: non mainline game like stadium or coliseum, that has numerous experimental/long thought of gimmicks like 3 types possibles (but I hope they'd lower Stab to something like 25%+ to not be insane)
tiotally agree; I feel very strongly that Muddy Water should be completely reworked to be accurate and without the secondary accuracy-dropping effect, but given dual Water+Ground typing - this would make it so much more fun both to use and to face in competitive battles
Aura wheel is signature move of morpeko Electric type in normal mode Dark type in hangry mode so it is dual type but not both electric and dark in same form
Hey Wolfe, I’m loving these theoretical videos so far. Could you do a video on what if gamefreak added a new type(s)? I’m curious on what something like the sound type would do to the game.
I personally think Sound would be a dumb addition. Sound is already a sub-class of moves such as Sing and Hyper Voice. Also, finding weaknesses and resistances for it would be hard. I'm sorry if I sounded rude at all, I mean no hate towards you or your ideas.
I was planning a fangame in which pokemon's third types had no STAB and a reduced resistance, the gimmick is that sometimes you can change the types order.
When considering this myself, I pictured that maybe Pokémon with 3 types would have their STAB bonus weakened. Maybe even monotype Pokémon could have it strengthened. Something like 1.4x-1.5x-1.6x would probably need to be retuned and implemented carefully, but I think it would be a good way to balance out the fact that more type usually = better. Thoughts?
If you had 3 types, you'd probably have to add a Grass typing to both rider forms of Calyrex, it would be kind of neat to have Ice Rider have a 4x weakness like Shadow Rider.
One odd ball Pokémon which I would say could actually be 4 types with Flygon, not only does it look like a bug but it has flying in its name, meaning I could totally see it as some crazy ground/dragon/bug/flying.
Which Pokemon would you give a third type to?
Flygon, pretty obvious what (it’s bug)
Clearly Charizard hasn’t been given enough attention. He deserves a new type!
Malamar, Dragonite
drapion
I would give octolloct a second type
"I have really focused on quality."
Wolfey, it's been noticed. It's been a huge step up and it's honestly really impressive. Keep it up man
I think what makes it even more impressive is that it’s clear you’re focused on quality, but it still feels like you. You haven’t lost any of what makes your videos so great!
For sure! Wolfey and his editor for #1 YouTubist!
Just in case anyone was wondering, giving Volcarona the flying type makes it a OHKO to stealth rock
But also makes its Hurricane stronger
@@SpaceDetectiveTravis sorry what
Lol
Heavy duty boots exist for a reason
@@ar8590 it does?
I I like the video idea, but I'm so interested to know what would happen if a Pokémon were allowed to have three types! If only there was a bearded man with numerous accolades in competitive Pokémon to teach me!
Gen 9 has rumors that the new mechanic involves 3 types at once
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I think thats very unlikely
@Hunter *motions to the video Play button*
@Hunter Because Nintendon't fuck with classic mechanics
@@ace-xd2712this didn’t age well
It's cool how he almost predicted the gimmick, but it's awesome how his thumbnail is basically the first major event for the game.
I think one factor you forgot to mention is that type specific Immunities would now be even more prevalent defensively and giving Pokémon like Klefki the Ghost/Steel/Fairy type gives it not only 4 immunities but also makes it have the ability to not be trapped by trapping moves and abilities. By giving triple types you risk a lot of Pokémon not only having more offenses but having more niche immunities like immunity to Powder moves, immunity to prankster, immunity to Burn/Poison/Paralysis, trapping moves. It’s already one thing to know all the intricacies of the current types like Ice types being immune to Sheer Cold and Freeze, but now having to balance Sheer Cold immunity with anti-trapping and prankster immunity is a lot more information to manage.
Very good point! I hadn’t considered this
@S92 Competitively, I don't think that would change anything. Casually, or in Nuzlockes, sure, but that isn't his wheelhouse.
Side note: IMO making dark types immune to prankster feels like a lazy way to nerf the ability, it doesn't really add strategic depth in an interesting way and feels more like just a bonus instead of something you can plan around. They could at least make it not affect the turn order instead of just making the prankster move fail...
@@quintonclothier6171 It makes pressure useless for Singles and moves like Spite, Grudge and Eerie Spell worthless (which I guess is only anti-stall and stall related moves).
Infinite PP would actually effect certain moves as now Charizard can spam infinite amount of Max Flare Blast Burns without drawback and while rare there are instances where you want to play around said scenario if need be (not recommended since it’s Charizard but hey if you can stall out 8 Blast Burns then you’re at least removing its strongest stab).
I will be honest Wolfey, I loved and have sincerely missed the non-edited content with the funny intros and raw entertainment. HOWEVER, this is one of the best videos I have watched from you and I was entertained the whole time. It's both incredibly approachable because of an easy concept like typing but you offer incredible insight that is extremely entertaining with funny quips. HUGE PROPS. Been watching for a few years and I love it.
I'd love to have more edited videos but with the intro song each time lol. You only get one take though, Wolfey!
Edit: typo on his name whoops
I prefer this style of content, but do also like seeing the goofy ones every now and then. I think these theory videos are best presented like this, whereas casual conversations about things like moves and such are served well with the casual atmosphere he brings to them.
I more so just miss the real youtubist intro
Real youtubist edit their wideos
I edit my wideos so that they'll be good
I feel like his personality shines through so much more in the less scripted content.
I think we all agree that if this happened, Lugia deserves Flying, Psychic and Water type
Why does everyone always forget about Charizard?
Not to mention it learning Rain Dance, Hydro Pump and other water moves by TM, tutor and TR
This is exactly what came to my mind immediately when I saw the title
I agree with this comment
Ok so no. People use the argument of it lives under water it should be water type but don't understand why exactly it lives there. It lives under water cause whenever it flaps it's wing it makes storms so to prevent storms it lives under water.
I think the bigger problem than 8x weaknesses is that 4x weaknesses would become a lot more common. Pokemon with 4x weaknesses are almost barely playable and with 3 types the likelihood of each individual Pokemon having 1 or more 4x weakness triples.
Okay, x8 weaknesses, are you serious?! That's for if Pokemon are able to get a 4th type and all 4 types share the same weakness. The correction is if the type combination has the same weaknesses for all 3 types, it's 6x weakness to a particular type (for example Bug/Grass/Fairy-Type would now be 6x weak to Poison-Types). Same thing for if all 3 types are super effective against the same type, then it would be 6x for super effective damage.
I’d like to see Wolfey create a new type and how he’d implement it competitively and thematically
This actually sounds like a really good idea! Interacting to increase the odds of him seeing this
Like the Sound type, something people kept theorizing even during Gen 6
@@IgnitedQuils Sound-type might be interesting but I'm not sure how different it could be from Normal. I thought about separating Flying into Aerial and Wind, similar to Rock and Ground being separate, and Sound moves could be incorporated into Wind but then I get stuck and weak/resist charts for it.
What I would be really interested in would be a Light type. I've seen people argue against a Light type, saying that Normal/Psychic/Fairy is basically already the "Light" type. I argue instead of thinking in terms of moves like Flash and Moonblast, convential light, make the Light type the Angel or Holy type. Pokemon doesn't have any conventional angels or holy figures outside of Arceus so I think it would make a really compelling type!
Good idea 👍
@@ArgenteonYT This is smart, especially since the dark type is actually called the evil type in Japanese
As for the complications of STAB, the one way they could balance it would be if STAB got weaker the more types a Pokemon has. For example, 1.6x for monotypes, 1.3x for dual types, and 1.2x for triple types.
That'd be a neat way to balance. Kinda like how some fighting games balance 3v1s by making the 1 far bulkier than any one of the 3.
More types doesn't mean a better pokemon, as it can increase its weaknesses. Lowering stab dmg would turn them into complete garbage
Every single one of his arguments can be countered with the following implementation:
Make a held item (??? stone), that gives you an additional type when your Pokemon is holding it. Only once on each team, like Z moves or mega stones.
So Gyarados + Dragon Stone = Water/Flying/Dragon
Won't have OP boost of triple STAB + Choice item, just triple STAB and better resistances, won't have 8x weaknesses (unless the player chooses to have that), won't be hard to design, you don't need new forms, just indicate the item with a recolour (Charizard + Dragon Stone = some purple elements/ purple particles around it)
@@aldoushuxley5953 Hey, this is neat! This would also negate the OP of some mons that would benefit from a new held item like Gyarados with dragon-water-flying type.
@@frank2mb True :)
I think it is likely that this will be the new gimmick, since the gimmicks are usually "teased" first.
So for example the gems in gen 5, and then Z crystals in gen 7.
We have the moves Halloween and Forest Curse, which add the ghost or grass type, and the ability steelworker, which adds stab to steel moves (but not the steel resistances)
I kind of feel like this has all be implemented, to see if third types are necessarily OP...
I like how your content doesn't assume that your viewers are into competitive pokemon or even pokemon in general, while still being interesting to someone who knows what you're talking about. It's a hard line to walk between making your content accessible and making something that enthusiasts would want to watch and you should be proud
This^
I feel like a 3rd type should be an “ability” similar to dhelmise that effectively gives a Pokémon a third type at the expense of an ability
Or how many non-flying critters that still fly get levitate
reminds me of camo and broken record
@@defensivekobra3873 and in a few cases like eelektross specifically the levitate is given to a single type pokemon, electric has ground as the only weakness and levitate just solves that for the most part (except against the mold breaker ability and the smack down move, anyway both can be also covered by stucking a flying balloon on that motherfuckin fish) but without giving it any of the weaknesses of flying type pokemon and also giving none of the stabsp, but i get that it sounds interesting if the ability was "third type: X" only given to dual type pokemon and maybe as a hidden ability in some cases or a second ability that would be kind of a sacrifice of the powerful first ability for pokemons like solgaleo making you choose between having "full metal body" or the damage modifiers and stabs of the "third type: fire"
Eh nah
Kind of like mega evolution
I think an interesting way to balance tri-typing is to slowly weaken stab moves based on the number of types.
1 Type: +50% Stab
2 Types: +40% Stab
3 Types: +30% Stab
This makes it where you trade power for coverage. This balance allows for single types to be the strongest in their stab moves, and might allow for an interesting change in the meta.
But you aren't trading power for coverage, because a pokemon can't choose how many types it wants to have, it just has them. It would be a major nerf to pokemon who don't need it
@@dracoblizzard7944 the solution isn’t perfect, but if a Pokémon has 3 types, their coverage is automatically better by default due to the number of stab moves. Mixing types has a defensive downside, but offensively there is zero downside to adding more types.
Yes, Pokémon don’t choose to be more or less types, but that doesn’t mean they choose their weaknesses either.
@@DKKiller581 What do you think would happen if instead of 50%/40%/30% they did 60%/50%/40%?
@@dracoblizzard7944 make Single types stronger, duel types the same and tri types weaker, I think it would be fine. I just focused on what the number is now, and didn’t think of single types being made stronger then default.
So I think your idea for the numbers is better overall
@@dracoblizzard7944 yh what about 60-50-30
Fun Fact :
In the video talking about Lugia and Ho-oh when they were distributed in USUM, the developers said that the only reason that Lugia had a psychic type was because this type was powerful when gen 2 was released.
That's it
Isn’t its thing that it hid in the oceans to blunt its strong winds too?
That explains why half the TCG cards of Lugia are water type.
Plus, Lugia wasn’t originally from the Whirl Islands. It was from the burned tower, but left due to what happened.
Atleast it made it better competetively
Then, they should change it since they were able to add and change the previous types to fairies already.
Now a days, their excuses encompasses 1 word, Laziness.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dhelmise at all! Having an ability that effectively gives it a third STAB is an interesting approach, even if Dhelmise itself isn't great.
If you look at the point before the big wall of text comes on the screen you can see it talks about dhelmise lol its a blink and you will miss it moment.
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Or like dry skin has been used similarly to a 3rd type defensively
it said dhelmise near the start
With Terastalization now giving a new Stab while keeping the old stabs bonus, it made this video so relevent!
though it does not give an extra type defensively so its only half of a third type :p
I think Dragalge would fit that since it’s aquatic, even Masquerain.
Their typings would be Poison/Water/Dragon and Bug/Water/Flying
Overqwil and its pre evo also water as theyre sea animals
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Water type fish are overdone, just because something lives in water doesn't mean it has to be water type, I really like all the non water type aquatic pokemon, and I would love to see more.
Masquerain was a disappointment, like ignoring stats, up until the Dewpider line.. Surskit was the Bug/Water type.. and then evolves into a generic Bug/Flying.. like why.. it lost it's uniqueness
@@BaconNuke Thats what I felt too. Its like Nincada, has an interesting typing yet evolves into the typical bug flying (st least shen gets a new typing) and the only other mon to get bug ground is a form of wormadam
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I see you on every pokemon video wth lol
Wolfey's editor really knocked this out of the park. Great stuff, especially the 2 type to 3 type transitions!
Thank You :)
@@ParkerVGC why tf was dynamax bad, wolfey has stated multiple times he prefers it to megas
@@squirrelwithabanana so for the first half of the video another editor handled it but their computer crashed on them before they could make corrections so I just applied a coat of polish onto it and added some additional scenes. Meaning that I didn’t see what was written into the suggestions of the script notes for that half. I know Wolfey has made a video saying that dynamax is one of the better gimmicks so far. My guess is as a fellow vgc player it could be that dynamax makes defensive play less effective and games can pretty easily be decided in the first turn if a person has a good lead and then capitalizes with a max pokemon.
@@ParkerVGC understandable, have a nice day
@@squirrelwithabanana You as well!
Seismatoad deserves to be a Water/Ground/Poison type and I will NOT be convinced otherwise
Not to mention it learning Acid as a starting move instead of Water Gun
@@IgnitedQuils and it being the only non poison type with poison touch
@@efiug And the thing is, it used to know Bubble until that got axed in Gen 8. All Pokemon that knew it prior got it replaced with Water Gun, but it got Acid (which it always knew prior but has it as a starting move).
Yeah it does has Poison Touch as a secondary ability, and learns moves like Venom Drench, Venoshock, Sludge Wave and Toxic (by breeding).
@@IgnitedQuils this must be one of your alt accounts huh?
@@strawzulusansundertalehorr7624 What are you talking about?
WolfeyVGC: "I'm relitively positive that every pokemon that lives under the sea is a water type." Eelectross: "am i a joke to you?"
Dragalge
Overqwuil
literally dhelmise
Wingull and Pelepper. Fought a diver with on before
Nearly*
I've always found Cradily's typing to be very interesting, and I think adding something like water typing would make for a fairly interesting mon, albeit potentially broken. I feel like it would make sense canonically as an ancient plant as it looks like those tendrils could absorb water.
It would also make sense because it and the other gen 3 fossil are both based off of sea creatures
@@buzzpeep8695They can asorb water and give water 😳
You’re more correct than you realize, in New Pokémon Snap you literally find them loving on the ocean floor 😁
Plus in the mystery dungeon games they can tread water despite not being water type.
@@nellewoodruff6337 it's because they catch airbubles in their suction cups.
You can push them over and watch them drown
ok but what if every pokemon could Also be "SUPER NORMAL TYPE": these pokemon are so normal that they have 0 weaknesses and hit everything for weakness.
that’s what we REALLY need in pokemon rn
lopunny man
That's a great idea but what if they introduced the "ULTRA EVOLUTION": after mega evolving, some pokemon can ULTRA evolve and every single one of their moves is replaced by a one hit KO move that can't be evaded or protected (and it also bypasses substitute and shit)
that would make pokemon great again for sure
PURPLECLIFFE NO-
Thanks for my next video idea!
you just want an excuse to use a lopunny on your team
I especially enjoy that Wolfey said the main problem for 3 types is how OP they would be offensively and terastilisation only gives 3 types to Pokémon offensively and not defensively.
Drapion should’ve been Dark, Poison, and Bug type. I know this change would probably just make it worse defensively, put it just makes too much sense thematically. It’s pre-evolution Scorupi even IS a bug type so this one feels like an obvious choice to me.
along the same lines, Dragalge should be Poison, Dragon, and Water type
Consider: You could choose a third type as either a defensive or offensive type. Dragonite can create mighty storms but it doesn't have a body made of lightning.
Neither does 95% of other electric types
The 8× multipliers would be insane. Imagine a level 50 rock/dark/steel tyranatar getting devastated by a level 10 mediaite with mach punch
unfortunately level is factored quite heavily into the damage calculation so this would only do around 13%. i love the idea though
@@alias_hallow Can you give me the formula for damage calculation? I'd love to know.
@@pureteddybear_ you can go on showdown dmg calculator, k don't have the formula but that's the website most comp players use In-game to calc their moves
@@pureteddybear_ Damage = ((((2 * Level / 5 + 2) * AttackStat * AttackPower / DefenseStat) / 50) + 2) * STAB * Weakness/Resistance * RandomNumber / 100
@@HarmandeepSingh-fy5zt Thx 👍 Is there a range to the random number?
I think that the first problem could be fixed by simply capping the super effective move bonus at 4x. Keeping it similar to how it was, and fixing the issue without making one type too powerful and one Pokémon extremely weak.
Or make type weakness be 2x, 3x, 4x, instead of 2x, 4x, 8x
For Lunala, I think that Fairy type fits way better than Dark type, because Moonblast and Moonlight are both Fairy type, and Dark is more an "Evil type" than a "Darkness and night" type.
Exactly. The Japanese name for dark type also literally means "evil". Dark type pokemon and moves are usually more about deception, thievery, and bad intentions than literal darkness. It's why criminal organizations use a lot of dark type pokemon.
Masquerain could retain its water typing! That's a big deal to me as my gen 3 bug-type runs always hit major speed bumps when reaching rock or fire types (Flannery, Team Magma). Surskit with bubble (yes bubble), was a huge boon, until it evolves, loses its stab and gets a 4x weakness to rock, just to become a glorified beautifly or ninjask - which are already on my team
I've been doing a bug run on Emerald and the only wall I'm hitting is not a single bug learns surf. I literally had to catch a Gorebyss and pretend it's acshually a bug.
Of course, I've been using Pinsir from level 1.
Unfortunately Masquerain isn't really a good fit for water typing in the lore, it can't fly in the rain and all of its limbs being wings makes that a big problem.
they did masquerain so dirty
genuinely enjoyed this video, lots of knowledge but gave me lots of laughs too - love ur personality. also perfect timing cause this video comes at a time where there are rumors of a 3rd type mechanic this gen
This aged well.
Wait why
@@guankzmm4176 terastilizing is my guess but its not really the same
@@Dionysus999 it’s cause Pokémon who’re terastylized can have up to three stab types.
@@dapper_dill7105 thanks for clarifying 🙏
Agree
flygon deserves a third type the most in my opinion, this type being bug
Yeah, since it’s based off of an Antlion
This would mean Trapinch would be Ground/Bug and Vibrava would be Ground/Dragon/Bug
Boutta make flygon 8x weak to ice i see you
@@theqwertyman9309 bug isn't weak to ice
@@theqwertyman9309 Bug isn't weak to Ice..
@@IgnitedQuils it’s not it’s based on sand dragons
Dhelmise seems to be a slam dunk for a triple typing, especially when you consider its ability which gives it steel STAB.
I agree. I'm surprised he went the full video without mentioning the only Pokemon that actually fits the video topic of a 3rd STAB.
@@pokemon_and_beer2289 0:59
@@pokemon_and_beer2289 Right?? I personally think having more abilities like that would be cool and interesting
@@nikunjkhangwal oh, definitely didn't see that. I think Dhelmise should have been discussed, not just been a comedic half second flash on screen. It literally is a perfect example of what he's talking about and he just ignores it?
@@TitanBait Well that's understandable but hey it's no big deal.
There are many others who are more than just 2 types. A person can't cover all of them for fans.
I'd give a third type to my favorite Pokémon Toucannon. Idk what type would even make sense but I'd do anything to make that bird more viable lmao
Great wideo across the board. I especially loved the editing in this one!
Fire flying normal
He doesn’t need normal tbh
@@lama99654 I mean it's a normal toucan with fire beak
GameFreak did Toucannon dirty with its stats and abilities. If they made it faster it could be really viable!
@@AyylienInvader honestly it’s stats are the only thing holding it back, skill link bullet seed and rock blast is really cool
Now: consider fan rotom. Adding the flying type would be perfect for him! It would give immunity to ground type, protecting its electric typing! And it fits tematically!
damn bro you might be onto something
dang bro its as if it already has flying type
Ikr they should definitely, they never let me use it in my flying monotype team in Pokémon Showdown 😎👍
good thinking it would be even better if a bunch of people used air ballon on it
Then why does it have levitate.
I think one of the best way to implement a "third" typing would be this:
- Make the third typing into a item.
- Any pokemon holding this item gets that typing, including STAB and weaknesses.
- Everytime a pokemon with that item appears it says "pokemon is now also x type"
- You can knock off to remove the item + typing
- You can fling your item to make the target into that typing until they change out. (overrides their current type item if they had any)
- You can trick your item to change both yours and the enemys typing.
And since its a item, you have to debate between "do I want more power with power orb/survability with leftovers or do I want to be more versitile in my STAB/Resists?"
It would at least be the most interesting way to do things
I believe there is a Twitter leaker that has said that the gimmick for Gen 9 is something along these lines
@@awesome10billion AKA "some person suggested that it could be a cool mechanic to introduce in gen 9"
The Arceus plate would already be perfect for that role.
Or like there will be just one item and a pokemon will get a third type once that item is held. For example, charizard will be fire/flying/dragon while holding the item while flygon will be bug/ground/dragon while holding the same item. The unpredictability can be reduced this way as well as reducing typings on pokemon that just does not make any sense at all. We wouldn't want a infernape with water typing now would we
@@shadmankabir5916 I agree. It would be incredibly cool to see what new types all the pokemon would have. What could also happen, is that only a few pokemon get the extra types, and the item is specific for them. It would fit the game because items have changed pokemons before. I definitely think 3 types would be interesting to see at least, even if they may be broken. Perhaps we could see an eternamax-like one off 3 type pokemon, idk.
Clearly gyarados and charizard should both have a dragon type, although that would make freeze dry x8 super effective 😅
glaceon viable era
Charizard has fire typing tho...
imagine a flying dragon getting frozen to death by a dry cleaner of ice..
@@timoderpro4661 clearly referring to gyarados there :)
@@masterE31 no you weren't clearly referring to one.
Gyarados not having dragon type is actually it's reason for existing. There's some eastern legend where if a carp jumps over the dragon gate, it will begin to fly and turn into a dragon. But dragons have to be good and one of these dragons was too angry, and so had its dragonic nature removed, though it could still fly. That's the origin for Gyarados.
Glad I wasn't the only own who caught that
Flygon is such a hodgepodge of different ideas, it could legitimately be a Dragon/Ground/Flying/Bug and it would still make conceptual sense.
Altaria NEEDS to be retyped into a Dragon/Fairy if we're not doing mega evolutions anymore.
New evo or regional form?
Dragon/Fairy/Flying
@SniperShiv Altaria does learning Disarming Voice and Moonblast by level up, also Dazzling Gleam and Play Rough by TM. Plus its nature can fit with being a Fairy type.
@SniperShiv Fairy is a better type, It doesn't have to be compared to other Dragon/Flying, It's aesthetic matches Fairy, It's a unique typing, etc.
This isn't related to typing but it is about megas. Why haven't they given Mawile Huge Power yet?
Instead of making something 8x weak, you’d need to rescale everything so that it’s more linear than exponential.
E.g - 1x damage when neutral, 2x when weak, 3x when double type weak, 4x when triple type weak.
I just find it funny imagining something that's 8x weak to rock just instantly dying as soon as it's sent out when Stealth Rock is up.
I could imagine Volcarona given a flying type
and instantly dies from it
This is a really clever idea! I personally think something like 1x, 2x, 3.5x, 5x would be better so that a triple weakness would still be more than a current double weakness and the change doesn't hugely buff mons with current double weaknesses, but the idea behind your solution is interesting and creative!
What if they just scaled down type effectiveness to 1.5x and resistance to ⅔x?
Why no one think about 1x (neutral) -> 2x -> 4x -> 6x
Dark-type Lunala doesn't fit imo because I don't see it fitting as an "evil" Pokémon. I think an even more fitting type for it is Fairy due to its association with the moon, and that would be so insane because having fairy type is always nice and loses it's 4x weakness for a 2x weakness.
Also with the theme of alchemy it makes sense as well. The moon is seen as feminine and magical, both of which are represented by the fairy type
Also moonlight and moonblast are fairy type, so the moon is already established as being associated with fairy types
i thought dark type more because like it's the moon, so like darkness lol
Dark types aren't necessarily "evi" tho. E.g. absol warns humans about natural disasters, which isnt evil lmao
@@e-money2141 Dark type is "evil" type in Japanese, the game's original language. I think you always have to take that into account when thinking about a "dark" type
@Reniac again, there are dark types that don't fit that theme so even if it's meant to be "evil" clearly it doesn't have to be lmao
Nice video, but I think we all knew going into this topic that it's not a viable option for a few key reason which you naturally covered.
The more palatable game changer, in my opinion, would be dual-type moves. So, for example, fire punch would be fire/fighting type, scald fire/water type, etc.
That would bring a new tactical layer to movesets without overcomplicating the battle mechanics, I think.
There have been diferent ways to try to implement a 3rd type withoutbeeig too OP:
For example Steelworker ability for steel stab on Dhelmise
Or in a room hack called Pokémon insurgence, where theres mega gothitelle (psyquic dark) had has an hability that givs her only the resistances and immunities of ghost type
Or even electross with levitate, which is the same as having only the immunity of flying type
What I'm trying to say is that abilities like this is the best way Pokémon has to try implementing a 3rd type Pokémon in an specific way without changing the metagame complety and too unbalanced and complicated.
But then a third type actually being implemented would invalidate those abilities, no? What would stop them from giving Dhelmise the steel type and such.
It would be weird tbh.
@@Takapon218 I suppose if they implemented a 3rd type it would be like megas or gigantamax
Like imagine if because of legends of arceus history they put ancestral form or something like this in gen 9
They could implement 3 types only in specific mons, a few of them
Hey, uh, Insurgence is not a ROM hack.
To quote the insurgence FAQ:
"This game is not a ROM hack, it has been created on its own using RPG Maker XP and Pokémon Essentials. It is an .exe file, like most PC-based video games. This means that you don't need any extra programs to run it, and that it won't necessarily run on all platforms that can run ROM hacks."
I love that the topic of a third type gets tossed around so much and discussions on the concept are always speculation... but forest's curse already exists.
@@hexagonrz7813 yup my bad, i'm used to talk about romhacjs so I said it automatically 😅. It's a fangame because of what you said
Surprised there isn’t more mentions of dhelmise, I know it has that ability that gives it steel stab but the three types would fit a lot better IMO
On the other hand, Dhelmise then becomes seaweed-themed Ferrothorn with only a Fire weakness.
@@iantaakalla8180 and a dark and ghost weakness in fast giving it steel type probably makes it worse
@@iantaakalla8180 not if its third type is water, which is honestly more likely for it to get
i mean, the whole concept of dhelmise is that it _isn't_ the anchor, so actually steel is probably the _least_ likely tritype for it to get
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I’d be curious how it would function if a third type were added, but in such a way that all multipliers for it are reduced. Like, a Pokemon’s tertiary type only changes weaknesses/resistances by 1.5x, and it’s STAB is only a 1.2x boost or something. The third type is still relevant like this, but inherently nerfed compared to the primary two types
I’ve thought about something like that when thinking about how the order of a Pokémon’s types doesn’t matter, like Toxapex is Poison/Water but tentacool is Water / Poison and rn it doesn’t matter. Tiering the types so their impact is like what you’re suggesting could work
The "Blubber" ability: Prevents Electric and Ice moves from dealing super effective damage.
QOTD: The Rotom Forms should add the new type instead of replacing Ghost.
When you said a pair of legendaries, I was sure you were going to talk about the ones I had been waiting for all video, Kyurems black and white formes. I remember being sure they'd have a third type when "pokemon grey" inevitably was going to come out
The fangame Pokémon Insurgence introduces an ability that gives the user the resistances and immunities of Ghost types, while not giving them the weaknesses or giving their Ghost-type moves STAB, essentially like the reverse of Steelworker. It works really well as a sort of pseudo third type and it's something I'd love to see in future official games. It was wild trying to use Fake Out on a Psychic-type only to learn it was immune
I loved playing with Delhmise in the Alola Games, because it gave some varied options. I feel that giving a few other Pokémon a similar ability is the fair way to balance it: it gives the offensive benefits, but only by sacrificing a different ability (and can be exclusive to fit a Pokémon's theme)
It's cool that you've been talking about typing so much lately! Especially since it seems as if that may have something to do with the gimmick of Gen 9, based on the big mural with all of the types in a circle we saw in the trailer.
Your editing style never fails to bring a smile to my face. Keep at it! I do like the idea of Pokemon having 3 typings from a lore perspective (like Toxicroak, it should absolutely be Poison/Fighting/Dark) but the balancing issues caused by it would be insane. Maybe having abilities that add STAB like Dhelmise's might be an okay addition?
Wolfey, I am absolutely loving this type of content. I wish I could be as interested in my studies as I am to these videos.
Wolfey: 3 types of STAB on a Pokémon would be a bad thing
Game Freak: now introducing terastalization!
On a related note, Emperor Cubone has an awesome series giving third types to Pokémon in each region. Highly recommend it.
Definitely. Additionally he even recommended the same types to Charizard, Gyarados & Lugia that Wolfe did.
@@RFE812 I mean... those pokemon have been discussed by players for more than a decade
The sheer amount of effort put into these is incredible. Great quality content like this is hard to find these days.
I always thought Gliscor could have 4 types easily, the two it already has Ground and Flying, and could easily be Poison and/or Dark.
And bug
@@walkermartin5366 nah
If it were Poison, then no Poison Heal and wouldn't be as good.
@@gard8053 even better
@@gard8053 that would be for the best of NatDex players everywhere
When you think about it, charizard shouldn’t ever get dragon. If charizard got dragon, it would take neutral damage from water. Something that no fire type starter should be able to do.
or you could give it dragon and give blastoise rock
a lot of good arguments against pokemon having 3 types, bug imagine a volcorona switching in only to get oneshit by stealth rocks (or surviving thanks to sash), that would be hella funny
For the 8x weakness issue, there is already at least one existing Pokemon suffering from this - Dry Skin Parasect. Grass/Bug + an extra fire weakness from Dry Skin really hurts.
I'm also kindof surprised you didn't cover Trick-or-Treat or Forest Curse, which allow for 3 or even 4 typings on a Pokemon.
Oh, and Dhelmise lives underwater and is not Water type.
I agree, but you can not have a pokemon with 4 types, the third type will be replaced when you use the second type-adding move.
Dhelmises Steelworker only gives Stab to Steel moves, not actually giving it Steel
Fun fact, parasect used to have 3 4 times weaknesses in gen 1 because poison was good against bug
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I didn't say Dhelmise is 3 type, I mentioned Dhelmise because Wolfe commented that all Pokémon that live underwater are Water types.
QOTD: If Luxray could have three types then I would give it the Dark type twice.
Despite me thinking it looks like a Dark type, it isn’t a Dark type by nature, despite the X-Ray vision. Dark type is known as the evil type, and it doesn’t have a violent or malicious disposition.
I think we're covered with dark types that shouldn't be dark types like Absol, Alolan Weezing and the Stunky line thank you.
@@IgnitedQuils while dark type was meant to be the evil type, I feel like the theme of it has become more implication than intention at this rate. A.Weezing is dark because the implication of it being a sign of pollution, not necessarily because it's evil
i think the most plausible way for game freak to do a pokemon with three types is a legendary which is grass/fire/water type.
2:48 - Nice trick. Thought I was losing my mind and had actually forgotten its type.
I feel like it'd be cool if, instead of giving a third type to a Pokemon, they gave a secondary type to the _moves_ in some situations. I feel like that'd be a nice in-between from this video and the last one about learning a 5th move.
Like flying press?
Even though a Pokémon with three types will probably never happen (due to the same reason why Pokémon probably won’t have 5 moves), it’s very interesting to see what the meta would look like if they did exist and what Pokémon would get them.
Also, it’ll be cool to see a video on what if stuff like Mega Evolution and/or Z-Moves where in Sword and Shield to see how well they fair up against Dynamax and what the meta would look like if they got added.
Theres been rumors how Gen 9s gimmick involves 3 types
when i saw the plates for the first time i thought they would add their respective typing to the pokemon equipping it. It would be cool if they function like that.
That would mess up so many things its not even funny
@@trappedcosmos competitive is gonna be more chaotic
@@Des_kun4033 Although I am a fan of chaos it would completely ruin competitive. Btw how would Arceus work then if plates change pokemon types would Arceus just always have the legend plate active
@@trappedcosmos i think you can still choose which plate to equip but if it's in this theoretical situation most people would just pick the legend plate because it has every type in it. Also your question reminds me of a video, What if arceus has all types.
Pokémon that thematically have a third type, like Charizard-dragon, should get an “associated type” added as a 3rd (or even 4th) type. This could give something like a 1.2x stab bonus. A third 1.5x stab would be really strong and somewhat game breaking. But a 1.2x damage bonus to the 3rd type would be a nice nod.
I love these kind of videos Wolfey, I really do. Thank you so much.
I heard that Gen 9s mechanic might involve with 3 types, maybe then we could see how that goes
We have already kind of seen this with dhelmise’s steelworker ability effectively giving it stab steel moves. I think there maybe more mons like this but none with 3 types at once.
What about trick or treat/forests curse? doesnt it add a type?
(Didnt finish the video yet so idk if he talked about it)
The animations here are super well done, so great job dude!
It was real interesting to see how adding a third type changed things up. Does make me wonder though; how much would it change if Lunala gained Fairy type instead of Dark?
thats what I was thinking because I feel moon connects more with fairy right? because of like clefairy and moonblast.
Wut . Lunala is psychic and ghost not dark. Tbh it would be good but she would be clapped by solgaleo
@@Andrew-ch3xj the commenter meant how wolfey said to add dark to lunala but not fairy. Which is arguably more fitting.
The moon is a rock, so Lunala should be rock type just like Lunatone
@@skazka3789 I didn't know lunala was a rock
Kyurem would be thematically fit for third types, maybe base Kyurem (emptiness) being ghost, and then the fusions adopting the respective elemental type of Reshiram and Zekrom - absolutely wouldn't be balanced as Kyurem also gets access to their respective signature moves, but in theory it might weaken it defensively but may also buff it in some regards too
I think the most deserving is definitely solgaleo, it is completely ridiculous for the literal sun to not be fire type
To be fair, the sun isn’t fire. It’s made by gamma rays, hydrogen and nuclear fusion.
@@IgnitedQuils Wait what? So we're been lied all this time?
In that vein, Lunala could get the addition of dark
Except it's not the literal sun.
@@graemetang4173 or ice
A water fire grass legendary would go absolutely crazy
Personally, I feel like Pokemon should stick with what it's doing in having abilities that act as a third typing. Steelworker is the obvious poster child, but another interesting example is Toxtricity's "Punk Rock", which ostensibly makes it a Sound Type Pokemon, adding both Stab and a resistance.
I would give my favorite pokemon, Golurk, the fighting type. I don't think it would help defensively that much, but Golurk generally has fighting type moves most of the time anyway, and it makes sense outside of combat as well.
Fire/Bug/Flying Volcarona switches into stealth rocks, immediately dies. Better hope they keep HDB in the game
No, it would take 75%.
For it to die from full hp, itd need to have ice/bug/fire/flying
Bro really predicted terastalising
With both of the changes you’ve talked about recently, like third types and extra moves, it got me thinking that the most interesting thing I could hope out of game freak would be hybridization. Making breeding even more dynamic and maybe letting Pokémon inherit types from others in their egg groups could help out Pokémon lower on the ladder and add more diversity to those at the top. Meanwhile legendaries and mythicals that can’t breed wouldnt benefit at all, hopefully making it so they cant abuse the system and nullify any reason for change!
Triple typing would rock the meta.
Weaknesses and strengths will change for so many Pokémon.
Imagine gyarados being water flying and dragon
What if it was a third type could be gained through an item that can be activated during battle like a mega stone or z-crystal? You could limit it to one Pokemon per battle and it could be a generational gimmick.
Yeah I like that idea
Idea: non mainline game like stadium or coliseum, that has numerous experimental/long thought of gimmicks like 3 types possibles (but I hope they'd lower Stab to something like 25%+ to not be insane)
I'd love to see a video on why more attacks don't have two types, as far as I know "Flying Press" is the only dual type attack
tiotally agree; I feel very strongly that Muddy Water should be completely reworked to be accurate and without the secondary accuracy-dropping effect, but given dual Water+Ground typing - this would make it so much more fun both to use and to face in competitive battles
Aura wheel is signature move of morpeko
Electric type in normal mode
Dark type in hangry mode so it is dual type but not both electric and dark in same form
Hey Wolfe, I’m loving these theoretical videos so far. Could you do a video on what if gamefreak added a new type(s)? I’m curious on what something like the sound type would do to the game.
I personally think Sound would be a dumb addition. Sound is already a sub-class of moves such as Sing and Hyper Voice. Also, finding weaknesses and resistances for it would be hard. I'm sorry if I sounded rude at all, I mean no hate towards you or your ideas.
@@pureteddybear_ honestly I agree, I just want to see Wolfe talk about it lol
@@BulkeyBlaziken57 Fair enough. I would love to see his approach on it.
I guess he predicted Terrastilization.
I was planning a fangame in which pokemon's third types had no STAB and a reduced resistance, the gimmick is that sometimes you can change the types order.
When considering this myself, I pictured that maybe Pokémon with 3 types would have their STAB bonus weakened. Maybe even monotype Pokémon could have it strengthened. Something like 1.4x-1.5x-1.6x would probably need to be retuned and implemented carefully, but I think it would be a good way to balance out the fact that more type usually = better. Thoughts?
I Mean he technically predicted it right?
Hmm. This aged well
Drednaw like: oh look at that, now I'm 6X weak to grass as a Water/Rock/Ground type.
Okay, 6x weakness is more realistic than 8x weakness since the Pokemon is getting 3 types, not 4.
If you had 3 types, you'd probably have to add a Grass typing to both rider forms of Calyrex, it would be kind of neat to have Ice Rider have a 4x weakness like Shadow Rider.
Shadow rider goes from having 2 weaknesses (X4) to 5 weaknesses. That would be balanced tho?
Lucario seems like, even though it's already Fighting and Steel, it would be obvious to add Psychic to its type!
Who’s watching this after the terastal reveal
It may not be a third type, but I definitely would give more types to the starters that don't get a secondary type
And then scarlet an violet came😂
hey, wait...
lmao
One odd ball Pokémon which I would say could actually be 4 types with Flygon, not only does it look like a bug but it has flying in its name, meaning I could totally see it as some crazy ground/dragon/bug/flying.
Wolfy VGC:" Pokemon shouldn't have 3 types. It's a bad idea. 😅"
GameFreak: " And I took that personaly" *makes Scarlet and Violet gimmick 😈*