Why Michigan's Next Starting Quarterback is Already on Campus
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video we discuss the growing quarterback competition at Michigan. I give you three guys who can win the job and why I don't personally think Michigan and Sherrone Moore go portal shopping this spring. Like what you hear? Don't forget to give the video a like, and subscribe as well if you haven't!
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There’s a reason Orji simulated Milroe ahead of the Bama game and was used in both CFP games. He’s a beast who’s still unpolished like JJ was, but like JJ can be coached up by Campbell. Hope he gets his shot this year as he’s well suited to the UM smash mouth option offense.
He simulated because Milroe isn't a real QB just am athlete who is playing QB position. BOB said he should of switched positions and definitely should have but they lost Saiyin so Bama stuck with that QB now.
Orji is much less polished than JJ was.
This is true. There is also a reason that everyone’s first question was “Is JJ coming back?”
There was never a question of the departures on the offensive side however the backups received quite a lot of playing times since the the departing players rarely played in the fourth quarter. The defense however is stacked and should be one of the best defenses in college football next year.
He has never thrown a pass and has noo WR's
I really like both Orji and Denegal. Denegal can throw and run, so my head is leaning to him, but my heart is saying Orji. Time will tell, and the best guy will win the job. Go Blue!〽️🏈👑
Neither is close to a JJ
@@taxisquad11I love JJ. I just hope the next man up has better decision making then him, can be throwing 3 picks against Fresno State
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Thank you!
You’re a shoe-in for 1,000 subscribers Darren because of your quality analysis - good luck from one of your newer followers.
Thank you so much!
New to the channel, great job.. Go Blue!
Thank you!
milton was real raw like orgi at michigan but has developed into a draftable qb. So, it's possible to be a really good qb, it's just a matter of when. It would not likely be this year.
Excellent video. This is going to be an epic battle. All 3 of these guys could get the job done in a great way....Orji, Denegal and Davis. Take your pick, they're all very good.
Chad Henne was last freshman to start. It was Matt Gueteres but he got injured and Henne was a game time announcement vs. Miami of Ohio . I was at that game.
Wasn't Tate Forcier a freshman the year he started - he and Denard were in the same class.
I think they gotta go to portal for QB.
IMO its between Orji and Denegal unless Michigan gets a portal QB.
Denegal and Orjii then Jayden sprinkled in...
It will be interesting to see is Sherrone rotates qbs hroughiut the games as Harbaugh did. Orji saw quite a few snaps this year. Usually in run situations.
Biggest pus side to Jayden Davis he’s a grey shirt and was with the team for the title run huge experience for him
I want to see Jadyn.
Davis is the qb who will win the starting spot the other guys will have secondary roles.
We will have to see soon in the spring and see how everyone does ? It is a good problem to have especislly if soem one gets injured . I really do not know? We will have to see what coach Moore thinks and which way he wants the offense to go .
Run plays with two QB's on the field at the same time. Run reverses that use certain QB's running abilities to the greatest effect. Do the unexpected, as the Michigan offense will have so many new players. Opposing defenses won't be as prepared for these new players.
LOLOLOL
Why not just hire Rich Rodriguez while we are at it !!!!!!!
@@taxisquad11 Strange reply
@@timmygressler7468 Another strange reply
@@davids9520 THE strangest offensive strategy in the history of football. Name ONE team that has played 2 QBs over an entire game. We await your answer, with bated breath. You embarrassed ALL REAL Michigan Men
Thank You for this take, it's one that I believe to be true! However, I'm a bit disappointed in No love shown for #16 Davis Warren, he has an arm and can throw really well.
I totally agree; was impressed watching him at the Spring game. I know that’s limited but he’s obviously a fighter and that’s a huge intangible.
I say bring in Jadyn and let him make mistakes and learn in the fire
It's the perfect time to make mistakes and learn in the fire, after all the players and staff we've lost. Put him in as #1
Naw. We have the best defense in the country and a chance to repeat as champions. We need whoever is going to give us the best chance to win. I think that will be Orji and Denegal.
Only three true freshman have ever started at Michigan Rick Leach, Chad Henne, and Tate Forcier
Dang… haven’t heard Forcier in a while. I had high hopes for #5. Rough time for football than - tough
Tate Forcier hate so much talent and promise but got off track. I felt bad for Matt Gutierrez because he was really good but Chad Henne had more skill throwing was while Matt was more agile
I believe Tate Forcier started in his Freshman year which would make him the most recent but I’m not positive.
You are correct sir.
Throwing the ball, Orji is Joe Milton all over again.
Stfu there’s zero proof of that
Orji can at least run Joe was a statue
He seem to be alright at Tenn in the SEC.
@@jayburks4963Orgi is way BETTER that Milton although they both have cannon arm. Milton did improve quite a bit too. Maybe an NFL coach will help Milton with his accuracy. This Tiber guy sounds goofy as the Disney character
I agree with your take on jayden davis... go blue
While I do think it will be Orji I’m glad you spoke about Denegal. Everyone keeps leaving him out of the conversation for some reason. I’d put the odds right now at Orji: 45% Denegal: 30% Davis: 15% Transfer: 9% Warren: 1%
Perhaps all the way back to Rick Leach in the early 70's? He was a 4 year starter for Bo. Harbaugh was a young boy on the sidelines as his dad was an assistant coach there.
Leach was a 1975 graduate of Flint South Western, and was a true freshman quarterback that Fall of 1975 at Michigan. Mid 70's when he started and ended his career He began his senior year in 1978 ending it in the 1979 Rose Bowl against USC. He also played baseball at Michigan along with teammate Steve Howe of Clarkston High School. Howe won the National League Rookie of the Year with the Dodgers and Leach ended up with the Tigers, Blue Jays,Rangers, and Giants, ending his career in 1990.
There program is done, and done for a long time.🤓
Rick Leach
From what I’ve seen, Denegal is the much better and more natural thrower. Orji is a beast but his accuracy is a bit of an unknown still. The rumor mill is that the promotion of Kirk Campbell means we’re gonna be more pass happy as well and if that’s the case I give the edge to Denegal.
Our new headcoach called 32 straight run plays against Penn, I think we'll still be a run heavy team
Orji still has time through the summer. Warren threw some excellent passes in the Spring game.
He’s 6’3 and 236.
Idk bro...at LEAST we know Denigal has pretty accurate arm but I hope Orji can gather himself because he panicked his second snap against Washington n just ran the ball instead of checking his reads...that definitely was a passing play
"Pure Speed"??
Sir Alex Orji is not a speed runner. Jalen Milroe is a speed runner. Orji is a power runner with a strong arm.
However, he can't make accurate passes. If he was a good passer, then we would have seen him throw a pass by now. In two years of football at Michigan, playing in about six games we've literally never seen one pass attempt.
Exactly
He's thrown it look at the spring game. They didn't let JJ throw in this spot either
Spring Game???
Sir I'm talking about the real games. Orji had snaps in at least six games and he never even looked down field at a reciever. Right now he can't pass.
@kevinjackson2122 preach I'll take denegal over orji his completion percentage is 64% orji is 48%
He is very accurate but it is his decision making we should be worried about. Also he has thrown like twice in games probably because like Milroe he cannot read a defense.
Subscribed insrantly when I heard "Michigan football"
His completion percentage was 48% is that your question about his accuracy?
Davis started falling as soon as he committed to Michigan
How is JJ McCarthy a “polarizing figure?”
He always turns conversations to polar bears because when he's not playing football he is dressing up as a furry. Now you know.
@jirikurto3859
Even if your comment wasn’t a run-on sentence, it would still be lousy.
@@jamesleonard5307 You are mistaken. An arrogant idiot.
So we are going from JJ throwing closer to completing 74% to a guy that could only complete 54% in high school? We lost Corum, Roman and the entire O Line and I think we better wake up and be realistic. Meanwhile Ohio State is just crushing the portal and incoming recruits.
If running mattered so much then Denard Robinson would have been undefeated. He’s a much better runner that Alex Orji.
I trust Sherron’s Moore to replace the OL
I had assumed that Denegal was a more statue-esque pocket passer and will be pleasantly surprised if he does show an ability to get to the edge with the ball in his hands. However, I think it comes down to Orji and Davis.
Davis is going to show extreme poise for a freshman and that he is capable, and willing, to play within himself and, yes, “manage the game.” Orji is going to run over people and give the offense a surprising amount of diversity in the running game alone. Much like the service academies, if Orji can hit on the occasional deep ball, he’s going to be a problem.
I believe Davis will end up taking over next year. But I really want to see how orji can throw the ball
I think we let the kid start and let’s roll the dice. He’s a better QB than both donegal and Orji.
He’s been starting at QB since his freshman year in HS. We’re going to take some lumps this year anyway, let’s give Jayden Davis the keys to the Ferrari.
I don’t think so. Look at ucla they broke Dante Moore. He needs time mentally and physically
@@justinvasquez4524 ucla has no o-line though. Davis needs to be in The mix. I believe the last freshman we had starting was Henne. Well, Tate forfeit did too but only played in 8 games his sophomore year.
Davis is a legit 5* he had better numbers from junior to senior year and he lost a star after committing to Michigan. They say because he didn’t grow, but that has zero to do with his skill set.
Throw in the wishbone once in a while.
Chad h
Pretty decent analysis, I mean I didn't agree with every point but I think you did a good job of pointing out the pics and pans between each of the quarterbacks that have had a minute to shine on the scrimmage line behind JJ mccarthy, who is now opted to head off to the NFL and of course we all wish him the best - he should have stayed one more year at least, but it is...
As for Alex Orji, I've seen some tape him, and he can be accurate I think he just needs to work on mechanics but he threw some absolute bombs that were absolutely threading some needles and I think if he can focus on past accomplishments doing that it'll be a guiding light for him to be able to form it up and handle business...
Denegal is another guy that I think is a fantastic hybrid, Jim was playing it safe with him in case they need a a larger bodied pocket passer, but the game is far past that now no one is willing to risk their O-line any more the way they used to without guards and tackles who are over dedicated to trying to protect the quarterback who couldn't scramble eggs.
That game is done
Well, Moore has his work cut cut out for him... That's for sure
I'm interested to see him hush the naysayers about the attrition...
M Go Blue 🏈
Harbaugh encouraged JJ to go Pro.
@@j.w.greenbaum7809 Yeah, because he wants to draft him... makes sense, he should have stayed one more season though, in all perpetuity would have better for him.
We all know the answer "It's an orgi in the endzone"
Denegal is almost 240 I think
Jayden davis could win the job mid season
Give me Alex Orji and let’s run a spread power run scheme like Urban Meyer. Alex and the stable of running backs we have, it could work!
I agree. Lot of RPO, read options, play action deep shots, QB runs. You still control the clock.
Yup. Use Orji like Tebow. You still control the clock.
If that is the case, then we aren't winning more than 8 games next season. Every QB we have is below average, apart from Davis, who is too young.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe Tate Forcier was the last freshman starter.
Orji is a shiftier runner than Milroe. More elusive. Looks more rocked up too. Milroe would probably beat Alex in the 200m with those long legs but Orgi can fly as well.
Orji looks like hercules. man's a beast.
I like Orji, last true freshmen I think was Chad Henne, Jayden Davis needs to get a year under his belt to learn the system. Go Blue!
Bro failed to mention that Orji did not attempt a single pass during these "significant" snaps last season. Orji is lightyears behind Milroe. Milroe is a genuine heisman candidate for a reason. Orji is a glorified runningback. He is going into his third year and has thrown the ball in a game one time for five yards. Give Jadyn Davis the start in my opinion he has the highest ceiling (idk about drew brees...) and talent by far in my opinion. I can see a 2 QB system being used next season. However with no proven playmakers at WR to bail out the QB I think this will be a run heavy offense that will also rely heavily on the TE position when passing the ball. Offense will have its struggles early on especially if OL room is not rebuilt. Depth across the board is also scary.
So his completion percentage is 100%! I love stats.
I can tell you who it won't be, and that is the freshman. If they are smart, they redshirt him. Not saying he can't develop into something, but he won't be ready the first year.
How is JJ polarizing? He always wins. Always great.
Spend some time on YT reading what Michigan haters have to say about J.J. "Trash"...."Career NFL back-up"...."4th round pick". I have no idea why they feel compelled to post garbage that makes them look like total morons, but post they to. Meanwhile, lots of more perceptive posters insist he'll be a top ten pick and be a startlingly great pro QB. The dichotomy in opinions is what make J.J. "polarizing".
Milton 2.0
The last two true freshman QB starters (and I think only) were Chad Henne and Rick Leach.
The way you say Sachse is “Saxsie”
Thanks for the clarification!
It doesn't matter! Their all average! Devin Gardner 2.0!
You are saying what I've been saying. Orji and a triple option type offense or Jayden Denegal. Denegal throws a ball with touch. Davis is too young. The great thing about being a Michigan fan is QB doesn't matter as much as it does for other programs. The Team wins as a whole. Go Blue!
Tate was a freshman
MICH must go with orji and not a freshman who has to learn the system and wait his turn.
It has to be Orji I don’t know a Michigan fan who doesn’t want him
Some say orji is the next lamar jackson 🔥🔥
@@JuwanTaylor-jz5zr I wouldn’t doubt it
I trust the coaches. If they think a QB gives them the best chance to win then I will be leaning towards they are right.
@@timdepaulis2487 agreed
I think Tate Forcier was the last starting QB as a freshman
Alex Orji
The word is Orji is a thrower with an incredible arm, while Denegal is a passer whose accuracy just keeps getting better.
I think Jayden Davis will be an apprentice in his first year. So, I think this is a battle between Orji and Denegal.
Orji is a physical specimen. Yes. Very much like Milroe. Good runner but mediocre passer.
For that reason, the slightly more svelte Denegal, who's a capable runner and better passer is my pick for next Michigan QB.
I would actually like to see Orji move to WR. Think of the possibilities.
Can't say that I disagree with this at all, good looks!
@Darrentalksball I wrote this, and moments later, you repeated almst exactly what I wrote. I didn't just regurgitate your words. You and I appraise these QBs nearly the same.
Player ratings have to be parced a bit. Consider how ridiculous it is that our "Mr. Ohio" RB recruit is only rated a 4 star.
Tate Forcier? If not Henne is the only Freshman QB to start at Michigan
Tate Forcier
We Gucci for a 4peat and back to back Natty's gotta QB RBs OLine Defense TEs just need WRs OLine help 🎉
I believe orji will win the job.
They say orji is the next lamar jackson
It's pronounced Saxy Texas Sashay.
Hell yeah, let's roll with the guys we have. Nobody in the portal is going to be better right away. Plus that would be kind of a slap in the face and might cause them to leave U-M. The only problem is fans haven't seen these guys on the field much. When they do, that will be the end of the transfer talk.
I think Orji has the highest sealing in collage football. He could win the Heisman. He could also be so bad that he becomes some kind of running back or other position but he does have that sealing!
Heisman ceiling is insane. Never seen the man complete a single pass 😂
@@RICOJEEZUS Thats why it's the ceiling
I am really hoping that Orji is the guy... I really think that he could turn into Tim Tebow with a much stronger arm..
I have a feeling its Orgi. They gave Orgi a similar role that McCarthy had his freshman year.
Came in for certain packages to run the ball
when you think Orji, think Vince Young. Or..even Milton. great physical skills, but can't think the game like many. Orji is better suited as a tight end, or defensive end. QB, he hasn't shown he can throw with accuracy, pace, or thought. Can he be coached up? Sure, but, what's his ceiling? I don't think its that high for him. Yes, talented runner, a beast, but, not a game manager.
Playing time does not = trust, by the coaching staff. its a staff that is continually looking at what each player can do. You'll note, they never put orji in to pass. Only to run, and typically on unimportant downs. Orji will not be our QB next year. We will either get someone thru the portal, OR, they will Jayden Davis. Denegal is also not a great QB yet. He might at some point..but not right now. Needs time. None of our current QB's should start, we should try to find someone in the portal with experience. Davis is too young, and raw, Orji and Denegal are both atheletes, not QB's. Just my two cents.
He is very accurate but we don't if he can read a defense and make good decisions.
Orji or bust. Dog needs to be in accuracy school right now along with his regular schooling. It's no reason he shouldn't be with the best coaches getting his mechanics together and his touch.
Alex Orji will play QB like Tim Tebow played at Florida. PASS when appropriate, RUN when needed, and LEAD with character.
Wouldn't it be great if Orji end up being a power version of Lamar Jackson. If that happens it will be 4 big10 championships and another OSU butt kicking in a row.
Rick Leach first freshman to start for UM
Dude get to the point
Dive into the most important topic. Why would a true Michigan man like Jim drain all of the coaching talent from Michigan? What sanctions will the team face in ‘24 and beyond.
Alex Orji
Height: 6-3, not 6-2
Weight: 236, not 226
40 : 4.4
Chad Henne 2004
Yes, Michigan's next starting QB is already on campus - it's so disrespectful to say otherwise with those 3 capable QBs that have been there waiting very patiently for their opportunity to be Michigan's starting QB! There's absolutely no reason to go to the Transfer Portal, unless between the 3 of them it's shown that they're not talented at all - which is not the case. If Alex Orgi's accuracy is not an issue he would be the best one to choose as a starter because running QBs are the hardest to defend from a Defensive Coordinator's point of view.
Joe Milton is terrible.
Joe just needs ten more years in college to learn the position.
Alex orji fo put the fear of god on teams if he can pass
Give me Alex O!!! The dude will be one hard qB to prepare for! 41 inch vertical, 4.4 speed, cannon for an arm, he just needs to get his accuracy down! But you talking about having to stop that train coming at you play in and play out, he is that guy!
These QB’s are all trash
I wanna see Orji play some. and how could they lose out on the #1 recruit from Detroit? smh.
Because these empty suits don't really care about football here and it's embarrassing. Missed out on Dante Moore and Bryce Underwood when they were in our state smh.
Orji was put in games to run the ball, Jim didn’t trust him to throw the ball
I think it was more that his run game was so elite that when you are putting in a package for a part time player you are going to put in the package that is best for him. Not saying he can pass. I’m just saying that just cause a coach didn’t do something doesn’t mean a player can’t do it.
Stop spending 5 minutes begging. Wtf?
Tate Forcier