You will become a mad boss. Sashi Tharoor can argue a male as female. Sashi can argue corruption is good for India Sashi is 65 years old and enjoying life writing books and there is a market for his books.
Not missed a word, this is how an interview should be conducted !.. feast to ears.. it really rises our involvement too, suttly both of them make us realize our duties as well. I loved it.
He gave his own example Karan. It is clear that anybody feeling any sense of belonging to any part of India, its food, its culture etc. is patriotism. You just unnecessarily haggled with him.
This is a brilliant issue, after my own heart. I love this dialogue, very intricate and wonderful to listen to. Two brilliant minds, one has to keep up with this academic discourse to understand the nuances. Personally, I was always raised to know that our country is an inclusive one, including Hindus Muslims, Christians, Jews. Belonging is more important! This trend of Hindutva excludes people. Our country has always been one of tolerance and love. That’s been exemplary to the whole world.
A brilliant exchange and Shashi never disappoints. He has mastery of English and he can articulate his views with total clarity. On the other hand, WE ARE STUCK WITH THE CHILDISH NOTIONS OF BJP SEMI-LITERATES & INTELLECTUAL ZEROES LIKE MODI, SHAH, YOGI, RAJNATH. These BJP buffoons are a vengeful and malevolent lot and they won't stand any opposition to what they believe. They can't argue logically or discuss rationally. They can only talk of caste & cows, gods & godmen. They are an embarrassment in any international setting.
Good interview. However, I wish Thapar would remember that he needs to let the person being interviewed speak & listen, rather than focusing more on sounding clever & intellectual.
it hasn't gone anywhere, nationalism and patriotism is required so that humanism can flourish. we failed humanism once in 1947 and we can not afford to fail it further .
@@AnkitSingh-ho9xo If there is humanism in nationalism we will not try to paint the people of other nations as enemies just to get votes. Humanism is love for the people of the entire planet which includes one's own nation. Nationalism, for most unfortunately, is having consideration for the people of one's own nation only and none for those of other nations (unless they can benefit us in some way!)
I have watched like all the interviews that Dr Tharoor gives and one gets to know where his leanings are coming from, but Karan questions in a nuanced way so it compels you to watch! The debate on nationalism & patriotism is a good one.
Secularism of Europe is different from secularism we follow ... In Europe The Government seperates it self fully and absolutely from religion but in India we never followed absolute secularism. That is the issue with us accepting in identifying our country with a particular religion considering the type of secularism we followed till date. It will simply translate into more turmoil at this juncture
Man. Nothing better than two intellectuals fighting over concepts. Amazing! Loved it. Wonder when other "media" channels would come back to this level of content.
Hi karan I didn't read this book, but when u quoted it I also felt that the migrant worker who is from any village, if he thinks abt his own known people that also patriotism. I think Tharoor would have written it in a sophisticated way, but what he meant is that the village migrant man is also a patriot when he respect to hear or work with his coworkers language or any kind of their practices.
Two intellectual giants engaged in a competitive but healthy argumentative conversation. A treat to relish upon which is full of novel viewpoints, knowledge and information based on historical and present facts.
Yes my Indian friend born in Scotland is an example I think if ,like me visited India perhaps he may change his mind to him Modi and susmanji can’t do wrong
Man this guy is brilliant, i hope someday Congress realises and make him the party president, the guy is worthy of running for the topmost office (PM), and even BJP people will be conflicted if they should vote for him, Modi vs Tharoor , among the urban crowd tharoor will win hands down. And He will win even with rural crowd if they try hard enough, images are meant to be broken, its time to break down Modis image.
Your interviews speak of the kind of background you have. You are a man of very great height. Your knowledge level is awesome. You are a great human being!!! People claim to be secular; I doubt whether they know it’s actual meaning. They should hear your interviews and read your books to know what secularism actually means.
Indus, a Greek word... Indians Hind, an Arabic word.... Hindus Regardless of what language, culture, religion, Dharma, caste, class, creed the mass “belongs” to
Hindu is the world's oldest religion in the world and you said Hindu comes from Arabic!? That does not make any sense! Might be what you have read in the article is not theoretically identified
@@maanlimbachiya5817 What I know that the people in “Bharatvarsha” never called themselves as Hindus/ Indians. Both Hind/ India, Hindu/ Indians are etymologically foreign words.
@@KiranKumar-nb4nx what is called as Hinduism is the oldest “surviving” “major” religion - although Indic religions like Hinduism 🕉/ Jainism/ Buddhism ☸️ are not a “religion” per se - in the world 🌍 There is no dispute with that.
@@ihazra How can you say 'no dispute with that'? You need to back your claims with some materials.Do you know there was nothing called 'hinduism' during the period of Buddha?
Yeah ,we have democratically chosen to be a hindu nation. And it's our democratic right to be this way, and no matter if it disagree with the Congress prophet Nehru
No you haven't...The agenda of the rulling party in the 2014 election was to make India a corruption free blooming and blossoming 5 trillion dollar economy and bringing the country together by "Sabka Sath Sabka Bikash" type of propaganda... Nobody really cares about your Hindu Rastra bullshit...Youth and working class of 21st century India has better things to worry and think about... People are still voting them because they dont see any credible alternative as congress is dead as they should with their top command and no third front is coming up... With all the damage this incompetent government has done in the economy of this nation and the irretrievable malice that it has infused in the social fabric of our vibrant pluralistic democracy and social harmony nobody will even think about them as an option once they are voted out and most of their incompetent and illiterate leaders will be behind the bars... But again, Congress can't be an option with the state they are in right now...A progressive Socialist coalition is the need of the hour and if it emerges I have no doubt that youth and working class of india won't have any thoughts about immersing this government in the Indian Ocean...
@@Manish_Kumar_Singh That is what happens when you don't have any convincing or even valid logics to counter an argument...Anyway bigots like you in social media are not worth my time... And Bjp and socialist are probably oxymorons in reality...This is a corporarist government which has helped 1 percent of the richest of the country to hold 4 times more wealth than the bottom 70 percent of it in which I and probably you also count... Yeah it has some social Wellfare policies but that at most is Keynsian model of stimulus not anyway linked with socialism... Corporates are taking over co-operatives, rights of mill and land labours are being snatched out, owners are getting free hand on removing labours and closing the factories without any notice, trade unions are being suppressed and you call that socialism...Huh?? To be honest no government ever in this country were socialistic(Maybe UPA-1 to some extent due to presence of communists as both the opposition and support in the form of minimum common programme by the virtue of being the 2nd largest electoral force)....But this government is the farthest from any known variant of socialism...This incompetent government has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor and working class of the country... Anyway I don't have any hope until educated people like you will stay intoxicated in the opium of religious bigotry and hyper-nationalism which is eating up this country from deep inside...
It's in the other way- All hindus are natural Indians, rest are either converted or settled since 1947. Indians are misinterpreted/misunderstood by own Indians. A true Indian will never have any doubt about his belongingness. Very few especially the journalists intellectuals of international reputation have multiple belongings. Nationalism and nationalists should never have any sort of double standards. Nationalist and nationalism has only one character irrespective of your religion, region, language or cast.
It's an issue of national identity, like American identity, Greek identity, British identity, Polish identity, etc. No country in the world except India allows other countries' citizens to use monies (administered by foreign religious CEOs, so the speak) to convert their people in mass numbers. Tharoor's position suggests exactly that in the name of democracy, which in the West is more like plutocracy.
But at least Islam teaches universal brotherhood, right? Wrong! Dr Ambedkar has this to say: “The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation.” Short and sweet. And crisp. And cutting.
@@neutral258 thats a different matter. But what seems to be wonderful here is you people keep talking about Islam more than Muslims...🤣🤣🤣 And then people get curiosity for Islam start reading it and then end up becoming Muslims. So in a way you people are working as an agent of Muslims..🤣🤣
We need right to offend in Free speech. We should be able to criticize Islam and Quran, don't need laws against criticism of Hinduism Freedom of speech Indian Govt has shown support to France but shall we stand up for Free speech at home? Even hate speech MUST be protected as free speech. Because who will be the censor? Can we trust Govt ? One person's valid criticism of something might be hate speech for someone else. That can hinder progress of society ( galilio was penalized for speaking against general belief,but was right ). Unless speech incites violence or impedes someone else's Free speech it must be protected. Eg : FRI against Amitabh Bacchan: www.thelallantop.com/news/up-fir-lodged-against-kbc-and-amitabh-bachchan-in-hazratganj-kotwali/ We should be able to burn not only manusmriti but Bhagwat Gita, Quran , guru granthsahib, Buddhist scriptures and Bible as well. But for British, was burning manusmriti possible in 1926? It might not provide for civil discourse but that is not it's purpose. Prof in first video puts it nicely. 1. th-cam.com/video/0g7crZDQf1s/w-d-xo.html 2. th-cam.com/video/hLPRAjS7-Rk/w-d-xo.html 3. th-cam.com/video/ZcCkQwySCz0/w-d-xo.html Please share as much as possible,
@@learngrow6402 I have nothing to do with people converting themselves into Islam, I am watching world going towards anarchy. I never stop anyone personally converting into Islam
It is more like a debate then an interview. I think both karan thappar and shashi tharoor read a lot and now querling each other. I think karan thappar should give time for the guest to reply and not to jump in between.
You keep on swooning over that episode, Modi has become PM twice. And conspicuously Congress party has been struggling to present themselves as a stakeholder in Indian Democracy. Anyway I always rejoice when Sashi and Karan come together. Shashi hasn't spoken a single word regarding correcting/overhauling CongressHighCommand.
We had gone thru many phases of lows and highs, but never the country fell for perverted ideologies. Believe ,we should not allow any party to hijack religion and use it for its self riches and powers. Harping in the history to find some minuscule bad and throwing it to represent whole group of people of present generation ; is no solution . I feel Britishers left us physically but left with an unfinished agenda to keep us an enslaved generation.
@@zfg07 Cornering someone and having fun as they have a meltdown is cool. If it is an elderly gentleman even more fun! That aside I don't see what is cool in that interview.
With all due respect for Karan Thappar, he is interrupting Sashi Tharoor at every question, it feels rude, and the interview digresses from the original subject or issue! Karan can run the whole show alone expressing his point of view without calling Shashi :)...when you are interviewing an author for his new book, you should allow him to finish his sentence at the least!
What a wonderful interview! Karan Thapar is one of the few interviewers who can actually play a real Devil's Advocate and Sashi with his deep insight can handle trickiest of questions with great equanimity!!!
did u see the whole interview??? Karan punished him so badly tht shashi in his desperation went so low as to correct the pronunciation of patriotism....if congress really had an ideology..BJP would have a really tough time selling it's version of nationalism...
@@sudheerkumar4421 BJP's ideology is majoritarianism. That's all it is. Its a very easy ideology and is the form of nationalism that's found anywhere in the world including America. Congress has so far managed to keep together so many cultures and nations within a nation with a weak definition of nationalism but they have been able to do it with many hurdles nonetheless. No one in the world can attempt to define what nationalism in India really should be because India has been an unexpected experiment in history which against all odds succeeded. Everyone predicted that with Nehru's death India would break and even during independence many thought the union wouldn't last. Everyone was wrong. You have to praise the Congress atleast for this. They did the impossible. But now that they are out of power and BJP is waging an ideological battle with them, they have difficulty Framing it even though they have been in power with that ideology for decades.
😂😂😂 ANDHBHAKT : Modi Ji Ye Konsi Bhasha bol rahe hai..?😩😩 MODI : Ye Pakistan ki Bhasha bol rahe Hai..😲 ANDHBHAKT : Khate hai Hindustan ka aur bolte hai Pakistan ka, inhe Pakistan Bhej Dena chahiye😠😠 MODI : Waah Modi Ji waah..😎
Whenever Thapar tries to look more confident in English, at that time Tharoor sets his stylish hair into motion and thereby once again Thapar forgets the questionnaire 😂
Thapar tries to stick Tharoor but wonderful sentences and well-spelt expressions force Thapar to stop further questionings and instead focus on understanding Tharoor's English 😂
@@sarthakparashar3695 Tharoor is still step ahead in English as well as in interview skills. Thapar takes it as a hitman's job wanting to prove his own point right.
I am born in a savite family in Tamilnadu which is one of the state in India. My first respect and love to saivam ( not Hindu ) mother tongue tamil and respect India which included our territory as one among 29 states in India. Shashi is correct to core we are patriot to the Constitution not religious idealism of fanatics politician . Of course marketed for idealism of development .
@@sabareesh129 saivam is faith life we practice and nation is area in which we born live with our own language to communicate , which is our father land .He married British territory of India who christian it as India not Hindustan. India is federation of such linguistics, cultural and religious groups in respective territory where vaishnavie , Buddhist samanam etc live
Wow that’s awesome!! Applause for both Gentlemen well done Mr Thapar it will be generations before we see 2 articulate n eloquent gentlemen speak to each with civility n respect on fiery issues
Never seen such an Intense Unbiased Philosophical discussion of Ideologies between a Politician and a Journalist. They must have set a Benchmark for people around world.
Now a days I like it when the interviewer is not in awe of Tharoor. Actually brings out a better conversation. It’s remarkable how Thapar has continued for decades now to not give an inch away to the interviewee as long as at least a near legitimate answer or confession is obtained.
I like that Karan is going after Shashi, and even more that Shashi is ready to take it head on, instead of running away (like our dear modi). But shameful that not a single bjp leader ever has to face tough interview. All they do is show up on cheap unintelligent shouting matches on debates, that too on pro-bjp channel.
The only time I feel we are in par with the quality of western politics and journalism is when these two men talk! Hope to see Tharoor lead this country one day!
You are right. Karan Thapar's trait of not listening is well established. He always more focussed on what he is going to ask rather than listening to what the speaker is saying. His facial expressions & gestures prove this. This becomes more irksome especially listening to a person like Shashi Tharoor.
Very well put. Thapar's style of interviewing seems hell bent on proving certain points, dwelling on minutiae, eliciting a reaction, et al. If only he were to be slightly more patient. Also he completely refuses to acknowledge contexts and opinions formed by personal experiences.
@@nalinthakar7059 I get your point. Still Thapar doesn't interrupt, he cuts in quickly to the next point and directs the course of the talk. We as audience can hear what Tharoor said at the point of diversion and move on. This particular dialogue is a very animated discussion between two friends, I think they are not offended or frustrated by each other. In the end we get the two narratives of nationalism and patriotism with two good english speakers chatting over 'The Battle of Belonging'.
Samuel Johnson was a beneficiary of colonialism... so it’s quite natural for him to equate patriots of the victim native land fighting or espousing for their freedom would sound like a cry of the scoundrels. Come on Karan... grow up!
Even you.Bhakht is a term given by the likes of you for having a different perspective.For your inability to accept another view, while you would certify yourself as more evolved .The fact is you are inclined to a certain view and that you have nothing more to say to the opposite view but mere name calling makes you a less evolved.
Karan's grasp on history seems a little weak here. Tharoor also seems to miss his primary communication gap with Thapar: People may call themselves nationalist or patriotic. These terms may have personal meanings to people. These terms also generally tend to have academic meanings, which is what Tharoor is really describing. Basically, what are the more technical features of these ideologies from a sociopolitical perspective? Academically: Patriotism is basically a sense of belonging to your country. Nationalism effectively defines the nation as a whole (by blood, language, territory, shared values/legal systems, religion, etc). Under nationalism, the nation is more important than the individual. However, "the nation" is often a fairly centralised concept, and embodied by the arms of the State. We are seeing in India how quickly a transfer of power can completely redefine the definition of the nation. So nationalism is intrinsically susceptible to State excess or oppression against individuals, because it is fairly easy to justify it under "national interest", which is conveniently decided largely by the State. Institutions like courts and the media are designed to protect against this, but cannot do so once captured. The core issue is that most people would say they are patriotic. Many people that are incognisant of the difference in the meaning of the terms have been subjected to a bait and switch of starting with "I love my country, I am a stakeholder and I belong" and ending up with "the nation is supreme and therefore my rights are subservient to the national interest". Finally, many patriots are actually willing to sacrifice their rights/freedoms/lives in service of the national interest. However the crucial question is who decides what the national interest is. When Delhi and the rest of India decide Kashmir needs a change in laws and that justifies locking up their citizens for 8 months, that is an abuse of nationalism in my book.
@@j.melton8257 Karan tends to do that. He seems to believe his audience would rather hear his editorial, oration and articulation of his interviewee's beliefs, instead of those beliefs from the horse's mouth. I remember his old videos didn't even have the guest's name in the title: the format was " | Karan Thapar". For what it's worth, he may be right. His style is fairly distinctive and I imagine from the size of his following that there is a market for it. I think he manages to get quality guests and the interviews end up interesting enough for me, but on a more technical level I have issues with some aspect of his style, such as the one you pointed out.
24:10 That was very rude of Karan not to hand over the book to Shashi to make his point. Karan is taking undue advantage of Shashi, who is merely being kind to be on his interview when most of bright politicians have boycotted him. Very childish of Karan to aggressively hold on to his own point without letting Shashi clarify his. 12:49 It was Jesus who said "Hate the sin and not the sinners,". Gandhi merely repeated that scripture
For God's sake give him the book to prove his point- I was infuriated when Thapar acted like a child and hid the book - afraid of being proven wrong? Only an Indian interviewer can act in such a childish way. Not acceptable in western world. I wish Shashi had forcefully snatched it from him.
Only an Indian interviewer eh? You don't seem to have noticed, at that point thappar was trying to agree to Tharoor's idea. So that Tharoor can talk about his book immediately after. It was a segue.
Well done Dr. Tharoor for putting this into context and bringing focus to this ridiculous patriotism vs nationalism. Karan Thapar, why don’t you grill those in the government who really have a lot to answer to? Of course these comments are for viewers to argue among themselves and those in the video and creators of it remain silent and royally ignore the reactions after uploading them.
Karan took that line of true patriotism literally. Expected much more understanding from his part. He should've read between the lines. Nonetheless great interview.
मुसलमानों की निष्ठा, जिस देश में रहते हैं, उसके प्रति नहीं होती बल्कि वह उस धार्मिक विश्वास पर निर्भर करती हैं जिसका की वे एक हिस्सा हैं जहां कहीं इस्लाम का शासन हैं वही उसका विश्वास हैं। बाबासाहब अंबेडकर
@@z2zugzwang हमें यह सोचने पर विवश कर दिया गया हैं की मुसलमानों की पहली वफादारी मुस्लिम देशों के प्रति हैं, हमारी मातृभूमि के प्रति नहीं। हमें यह भी मालुम हुवा हैं की उनकी उत्कट इच्छा हैं की 'अल्लाह का साम्राज्य' स्थापित करना, ना की संसार में परमात्मा का। - डॉ एनी बेसेंट
So True. He was trying to raise points out of nothing. Looked like his only goal was to twist the words and misinterpret the meaning in order to prove his own agenda. That's not how you interview. An interviewer must be without a prior agenda to enforce his own thoughts or prove his own points.
Mr Tharoor you are a man of very high stature; your upbringing says the kind of personality you are. You are a rare breed; of unique quality. The sophistication with which you carry yourself is unparalleled. There is do much knowledge to extract from you. I salute your honourable father for imbibing you with such great values in life. May you live to change the society which is going through such a hard time.
Karan Thapar has been a bit cringe, I must say. Having said that, I feel debates are necessary on anything and everything. Karan Thapar was a bit unprofessional at certain points, but given the standard of journalism in the country right now, this is more than acceptable.
@prajna Paul Noooo! SuperSmart people will never understand the problems of those struggling average and below average souls. He would make a good foreign minister or culture / tourism minister
@@cam0987 NO. But Tharoor never had any problems with academics. The idea is to get a person who is average, has struggled with the system and knows its shortcomings. Not a person who cheats! 😊
I have tears. Thanks Karan for this beautiful interview. This neutral and intellectual interview far supercedes the standards of The Wire's enforced bias and crass counter hindutva narrative. This is the level of intellectual debate and deliberation we need going ahead. Thanks Karan for this brilliant display of interviewing skill which Shashi had to dig deep to deal with. Respect Sir.
What a riveting conversation!!!! This is how a book review should be done instead of just letting the author speak endlessly... I subscribe to WIRE only because of Karan Thapar.. just brilliant. Only the calilbre of Shashi Tharoor can handle him with a smile and eloquence
Shashi Tharoor at his best, karan best anchor, pardon me host! Your one of the best in India but as you say, request you to avoid assumptions n presumptions in your rebut for the guest reply and please let him finish his point. Thank you 🙏
Shashi tharoor is very good philosopher and dilplomat. I'm not sure if he is PM material. But to attract the masses, you cannot be s verbose. It has to straightaway capture the heart in 'Their language' which is more visual and symbolic. Look at how Modi wears Naga head dress or Yogi gets Rama and Sita to alight from helicopter! It gives the masses a sense of belonging, and a Pride in the heart about who they are. At the end of the day, when in trouble most Indians will go to Sri Ram only. That's who they are. Yu cannot change it. And why should you!? In contrast, the liberals 'Talk down' to masses in their Queens English. You make the masses ashamed of who they are. I don't think Congress has much hope. Your trolls are calling Hinduism a Gobar eating religion?! How low can you get? The Goddess is watching. Mind it.
बाबासाहब अंबेडकर कहते हैं- इस्लाम के सिद्धांतों में एक सिद्धांत उल्लेखनीय हैं, जो कहता हैं की उस देश में जो मुस्लिम शासन में नहीं हैं जब भी कभी मुसलमानों के कानून और उस देश के विद्यमान कानून के बीच संघर्ष उत्पन्न हो, तो इस्लामिक कानून को उस देश के कानून से ऊपर माना जाए।
Karan Thapar's arguments are actually a classic case of 'Missing the Woods for the Trees'. In trying to push for lessening the differences between Patriotism and Nationalism, Karan hasn't allowed Dr. Shashi Tharoor to make his point even though what Dr. Tharoor intends to say gets more and more blatantly clear. That's Bad Interviewing.
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
We shouldnt downplay our NRIs and their choosing to stay and work abroad. Some are captains of biggest corporates in the world ... Nadella, bagga, indira noorani etc .... give visibility to our country as a soft power, send back remittance eg backbone of kerala economy. Let's not define patriotism as guidelines by some fool spouting parochial ideologies
I may disagree with some points of Tharoor but at least I am convinced that he will hear me out and might even convert to my belief. He won't lose his calm. (like Subhramanian Swamy) I have a huge respect for this man even tho I disagree with some of his opinions outside this particular interview.
you watch such debate and realize that there's so much to be known, so much to be read, so much to be experienced and so much to be done.
You will become a mad boss. Sashi Tharoor can argue a male as female. Sashi can argue corruption is good for India Sashi is 65 years old and enjoying life writing books and there is a market for his books.
@@sureshpolali4616 😂
True patriotism is about defending your country always and defending your government only when it deserves it 📌
Excellent interview. Fascinating, unrelenting probing by Karan. But ably defended by Tharoor. Well done, both!
Not missed a word, this is how an interview should be conducted !.. feast to ears.. it really rises our involvement too, suttly both of them make us realize our duties as well. I loved it.
He gave his own example Karan. It is clear that anybody feeling any sense of belonging to any part of India, its food, its culture etc. is patriotism. You just unnecessarily haggled with him.
Shashi Tharoor writes one book after another and I'm still at the introduction of one of his books.
This is a brilliant issue, after my own heart. I love this dialogue, very intricate and wonderful to listen to. Two brilliant minds, one has to keep up with this academic discourse to understand the nuances. Personally, I was always raised to know that our country is an inclusive one, including Hindus Muslims, Christians, Jews. Belonging is more important! This trend of Hindutva excludes people. Our country has always been one of tolerance and love. That’s been exemplary to the whole world.
A brilliant exchange and Shashi never disappoints. He has mastery of English and he can articulate his views with total clarity.
On the other hand, WE ARE STUCK WITH THE CHILDISH NOTIONS OF BJP SEMI-LITERATES & INTELLECTUAL ZEROES LIKE MODI, SHAH, YOGI, RAJNATH. These BJP buffoons are a vengeful and malevolent lot and they won't stand any opposition to what they believe. They can't argue logically or discuss rationally. They can only talk of caste & cows, gods & godmen. They are an embarrassment in any international setting.
👍
Good interview. However, I wish Thapar would remember that he needs to let the person being interviewed speak & listen, rather than focusing more on sounding clever & intellectual.
Nationalism.. Patriotism.. Why?.. Where has Humanism gone?... Doesn't that cover everything?
it hasn't gone anywhere, nationalism and patriotism is required so that humanism can flourish. we failed humanism once in 1947 and we can not afford to fail it further .
@@AnkitSingh-ho9xo If there is humanism in nationalism we will not try to paint the people of other nations as enemies just to get votes.
Humanism is love for the people of the entire planet which includes one's own nation. Nationalism, for most unfortunately, is having consideration for the people of one's own nation only and none for those of other nations (unless they can benefit us in some way!)
@@AnkitSingh-ho9xo how did we fail humanism, please elaborate or you also like to parse jargons without making any coherence?
Humanism is only for terrorist n anti-nationals, in this country
I have watched like all the interviews that Dr Tharoor gives and one gets to know where his leanings are coming from, but Karan questions in a nuanced way so it compels you to watch! The debate on nationalism & patriotism is a good one.
Really enjoyed this discussion.....👍👍
Fascinating discussion. Keep up the good work Mr. Thapar.
Karan is a few journalists left who covers every aspect of topic 🙏🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
English🤩Vocabulary 🤩Accent....
Scintillating Speeches/Interview 💃🕺💃💃
Secularism of Europe is different from secularism we follow ... In Europe The Government seperates it self fully and absolutely from religion but in India we never followed absolute secularism. That is the issue with us accepting in identifying our country with a particular religion considering the type of secularism we followed till date. It will simply translate into more turmoil at this juncture
indeed, it will.
I enjoyed every moment... but karan could give time to mr. Tharoor for completing sentences..
Man. Nothing better than two intellectuals fighting over concepts. Amazing! Loved it. Wonder when other "media" channels would come back to this level of content.
Karan Thapar k sath wapas interview karwao modi ka.._"dosti bani rahe ""
People should speak, express, share their knowledge, thoughts, feelings from the Heart with love mindfully...
A pleasure listening to the interview
Hi karan I didn't read this book, but when u quoted it I also felt that the migrant worker who is from any village, if he thinks abt his own known people that also patriotism. I think Tharoor would have written it in a sophisticated way, but what he meant is that the village migrant man is also a patriot when he respect to hear or work with his coworkers language or any kind of their practices.
Why is Karan Thapar being so childish? He didn't even let Tharoor take a look at his own book!
That's Thapar at his childish best! 😂🤣
I know this isn’t the best thing to take from the video but his bow tie is so adorable omg
Two intellectual giants engaged in a competitive but healthy argumentative conversation. A treat to relish upon which is full of novel viewpoints, knowledge and information based on historical and present facts.
Yes my Indian friend born in Scotland is an example I think if ,like me visited India perhaps he may change his mind to him Modi and susmanji can’t do wrong
India need Leader like Shashi Tharoor and Journalist like Karan
Brilliant Interview!
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview :-)
Man this guy is brilliant, i hope someday Congress realises and make him the party president, the guy is worthy of running for the topmost office (PM), and even BJP people will be conflicted if they should vote for him, Modi vs Tharoor , among the urban crowd tharoor will win hands down. And He will win even with rural crowd if they try hard enough, images are meant to be broken, its time to break down Modis image.
Your interviews speak of the kind of background you have. You are a man of very great height. Your knowledge level is awesome. You are a great human being!!! People claim to be secular; I doubt whether they know it’s actual meaning. They should hear your interviews and read your books to know what secularism actually means.
Indus, a Greek word... Indians
Hind, an Arabic word.... Hindus
Regardless of what language, culture, religion, Dharma, caste, class, creed the mass “belongs” to
Hindu is the world's oldest religion in the world and you said Hindu comes from Arabic!? That does not make any sense! Might be what you have read in the article is not theoretically identified
@@maanlimbachiya5817 What I know that the people in “Bharatvarsha” never called themselves as Hindus/ Indians. Both Hind/ India, Hindu/ Indians are etymologically foreign words.
@@maanlimbachiya5817 ''Hindu is the world's oldest religion in the world'' - No proof for that.
@@KiranKumar-nb4nx what is called as Hinduism is the oldest “surviving” “major” religion - although Indic religions like Hinduism 🕉/ Jainism/ Buddhism ☸️ are not a “religion” per se - in the world 🌍
There is no dispute with that.
@@ihazra How can you say 'no dispute with that'? You need to back your claims with some materials.Do you know there was nothing called 'hinduism' during the period of Buddha?
Yeah ,we have democratically chosen to be a hindu nation.
And it's our democratic right to be this way, and no matter if it disagree with the Congress prophet Nehru
No you haven't...The agenda of the rulling party in the 2014 election was to make India a corruption free blooming and blossoming 5 trillion dollar economy and bringing the country together by "Sabka Sath Sabka Bikash" type of propaganda...
Nobody really cares about your Hindu Rastra bullshit...Youth and working class of 21st century India has better things to worry and think about...
People are still voting them because they dont see any credible alternative as congress is dead as they should with their top command and no third front is coming up...
With all the damage this incompetent government has done in the economy of this nation and the irretrievable malice that it has infused in the social fabric of our vibrant pluralistic democracy and social harmony nobody will even think about them as an option once they are voted out and most of their incompetent and illiterate leaders will be behind the bars...
But again, Congress can't be an option with the state they are in right now...A progressive Socialist coalition is the need of the hour and if it emerges I have no doubt that youth and working class of india won't have any thoughts about immersing this government in the Indian Ocean...
@@koushiksen7790
tl;dr
hindu rastra all the way, BJP 2024
Also if BJP becomes more socialist, it will have to put a hammer and sickle on its flag
@@Manish_Kumar_Singh That is what happens when you don't have any convincing or even valid logics to counter an argument...Anyway bigots like you in social media are not worth my time...
And Bjp and socialist are probably oxymorons in reality...This is a corporarist government which has helped 1 percent of the richest of the country to hold 4 times more wealth than the bottom 70 percent of it in which I and probably you also count...
Yeah it has some social Wellfare policies but that at most is Keynsian model of stimulus not anyway linked with socialism...
Corporates are taking over co-operatives, rights of mill and land labours are being snatched out, owners are getting free hand on removing labours and closing the factories without any notice, trade unions are being suppressed and you call that socialism...Huh??
To be honest no government ever in this country were socialistic(Maybe UPA-1 to some extent due to presence of communists as both the opposition and support in the form of minimum common programme by the virtue of being the 2nd largest electoral force)....But this government is the farthest from any known variant of socialism...This incompetent government has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor and working class of the country...
Anyway I don't have any hope until educated people like you will stay intoxicated in the opium of religious bigotry and hyper-nationalism which is eating up this country from deep inside...
GREAT Sashiji Absolutely Right
It's in the other way- All hindus are natural Indians, rest are either converted or settled since 1947.
Indians are misinterpreted/misunderstood by own Indians.
A true Indian will never have any doubt about his belongingness.
Very few especially the journalists intellectuals of international reputation have multiple belongings.
Nationalism and nationalists should never have any sort of double standards.
Nationalist and nationalism has only one character irrespective of your religion, region, language or cast.
Why even italians are more indian than indians - because her mother in law said indians are more americans than american
It's an issue of national identity, like American identity, Greek identity, British identity, Polish identity, etc. No country in the world except India allows other countries' citizens to use monies (administered by foreign religious CEOs, so the speak) to convert their people in mass numbers. Tharoor's position suggests exactly that in the name of democracy, which in the West is more like plutocracy.
Why leaders like Shashi can't become leaders of the country?
But at least Islam teaches universal brotherhood, right?
Wrong! Dr Ambedkar has this to say:
“The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation.”
Short and sweet. And crisp. And cutting.
You guys cannot live without speaking for Islam..🤣🤣🤣 Islam Islam Islam you guys speak more of Islam then muslims...,🤣🤣🤣
@@learngrow6402 because Islam is only true religion
@@neutral258 thats a different matter. But what seems to be wonderful here is you people keep talking about Islam more than Muslims...🤣🤣🤣 And then people get curiosity for Islam start reading it and then end up becoming Muslims. So in a way you people are working as an agent of Muslims..🤣🤣
We need right to offend in Free speech.
We should be able to criticize Islam and Quran, don't need laws against criticism of Hinduism
Freedom of speech
Indian Govt has shown support to France but shall we stand up for Free speech at home?
Even hate speech MUST be protected as free speech. Because who will be the censor? Can we trust Govt ? One person's valid criticism of something might be hate speech for someone else. That can hinder progress of society ( galilio was penalized for speaking against general belief,but was right ).
Unless speech incites violence or impedes someone else's Free speech it must be protected.
Eg : FRI against Amitabh Bacchan: www.thelallantop.com/news/up-fir-lodged-against-kbc-and-amitabh-bachchan-in-hazratganj-kotwali/
We should be able to burn not only manusmriti but Bhagwat Gita, Quran , guru granthsahib, Buddhist scriptures and Bible as well.
But for British, was burning manusmriti possible in 1926?
It might not provide for civil discourse but that is not it's purpose.
Prof in first video puts it nicely.
1. th-cam.com/video/0g7crZDQf1s/w-d-xo.html
2. th-cam.com/video/hLPRAjS7-Rk/w-d-xo.html
3. th-cam.com/video/ZcCkQwySCz0/w-d-xo.html
Please share as much as possible,
@@learngrow6402 I have nothing to do with people converting themselves into Islam, I am watching world going towards anarchy.
I never stop anyone personally converting into Islam
Of course congress always asks Pakistan and China first not india 🇮🇳
It is more like a debate then an interview. I think both karan thappar and shashi tharoor read a lot and now querling each other. I think karan thappar should give time for the guest to reply and not to jump in between.
good conversation..
Keep aside everything but 1 thing we should remember everytime I.e "दोस्ती बनी रहे" 😝😝
@Jack Frost Don't call them RW .. I am offended being the real rw. 😠😠
See left and right here:
th-cam.com/video/ygEEL57AcZs/w-d-xo.html
You keep on swooning over that episode, Modi has become PM twice. And conspicuously Congress party has been struggling to present themselves as a stakeholder in Indian Democracy.
Anyway I always rejoice when Sashi and Karan come together.
Shashi hasn't spoken a single word regarding correcting/overhauling CongressHighCommand.
We had gone thru many phases of lows and highs, but never the country fell for perverted ideologies. Believe ,we should not allow any party to hijack religion and use it for its self riches and powers. Harping in the history to find some minuscule bad and throwing it to represent whole group of people of present generation ; is no solution . I feel Britishers left us physically but left with an unfinished agenda to keep us an enslaved generation.
😂😂
@@zfg07 Cornering someone and having fun as they have a meltdown is cool. If it is an elderly gentleman even more fun! That aside I don't see what is cool in that interview.
Karan Thapar please let him complete whatever he has to say and then counter question. Excellent interview overall.
Both of them speak fast which do not allow to concentrate on their themes of nationalism
Karen in this interivew is attempting to argue and win his views.
With all due respect for Karan Thappar, he is interrupting Sashi Tharoor at every question, it feels rude, and the interview digresses from the original subject or issue! Karan can run the whole show alone expressing his point of view without calling Shashi :)...when you are interviewing an author for his new book, you should allow him to finish his sentence at the least!
Thapar is an insecure character
Thapar plays the Devil's Advocate. It is a known fact. And it is perfectly fine. It is an art to be such.
What a wonderful interview! Karan Thapar is one of the few interviewers who can actually play a real Devil's Advocate and Sashi with his deep insight can handle trickiest of questions with great equanimity!!!
Indeed! although karan's interruptions bothered me, slightly.
@@geniunerf4868 absolutely
Devil 🤣🤣🤣
Mr. Thapar is a legend !
Sashi with his deep insight corrected karan';s pronunciation of patriotism as a response to Karan's intelligent questioning...
Regardless of what political party you support, do one thing always :
QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT REGARDLESS OF WHO/WHICH RULING PARTY IS IN POWER !
👍
Very well said. I request for your permission to use your words in another context. 🙏
@@arkadeepmukherjee685 wow... That's so nice of you to ask for permission, in this world of blatant cheating and copying.
Well Said!!! Why can't people understand this simple, yet so important thing?
@@garimakilledar5810 🙏☺️
Shashi tharoor is alone carrying the responsibility of helping Congress redefine its ideological stand.
God knows what keeps him going. Congress has done their best to isolate their best supporters due to lack of leadership.
True
did u see the whole interview???
Karan punished him so badly tht shashi in his desperation went so low as to correct the pronunciation of patriotism....if congress really had an ideology..BJP would have a really tough time selling it's version of nationalism...
@@sudheerkumar4421 BJP's ideology is majoritarianism. That's all it is. Its a very easy ideology and is the form of nationalism that's found anywhere in the world including America. Congress has so far managed to keep together so many cultures and nations within a nation with a weak definition of nationalism but they have been able to do it with many hurdles nonetheless.
No one in the world can attempt to define what nationalism in India really should be because India has been an unexpected experiment in history which against all odds succeeded. Everyone predicted that with Nehru's death India would break and even during independence many thought the union wouldn't last. Everyone was wrong. You have to praise the Congress atleast for this. They did the impossible. But now that they are out of power and BJP is waging an ideological battle with them, they have difficulty Framing it even though they have been in power with that ideology for decades.
The italian waitress cant tolerate brains in the gandhian owned political party.
😂😂😂
ANDHBHAKT : Modi Ji Ye Konsi Bhasha bol rahe hai..?😩😩
MODI : Ye Pakistan ki Bhasha bol rahe Hai..😲
ANDHBHAKT : Khate hai Hindustan ka aur bolte hai Pakistan ka, inhe Pakistan Bhej Dena chahiye😠😠
MODI : Waah Modi Ji waah..😎
Thats why not a single comment by bhakt 🤣
Whenever Thapar tries to look more confident in English, at that time Tharoor sets his stylish hair into motion and thereby once again Thapar forgets the questionnaire 😂
Lol😂
And Shashi also politely chides him about his pronunciation of words like "patriotism"
Thapar tries to stick Tharoor but wonderful sentences and well-spelt expressions force Thapar to stop further questionings and instead focus on understanding Tharoor's English 😂
Thapar's english is pretty good. Probably as good as the person he's interviewing. Just so you know.
@@sarthakparashar3695 Tharoor is still step ahead in English as well as in interview skills. Thapar takes it as a hitman's job wanting to prove his own point right.
Respect for Shashi Tharoor ji
I am born in a savite family in Tamilnadu which is one of the state in India. My first respect and love to saivam ( not Hindu ) mother tongue tamil and respect India which included our territory as one among 29 states in India. Shashi is correct to core we are patriot to the Constitution not religious idealism of fanatics politician . Of course marketed for idealism of development .
Does Saivam means mothetland(country)?
@@sabareesh129 saivam is faith life we practice and nation is area in which we born live with our own language to communicate , which is our father land .He married British territory of India who christian it as India not Hindustan. India is federation of such linguistics, cultural and religious groups in respective territory where vaishnavie , Buddhist samanam etc live
Well said.
Wow that’s awesome!! Applause for both Gentlemen well done Mr Thapar it will be generations before we see 2 articulate n eloquent gentlemen speak to each with civility n respect on fiery issues
Never seen such an Intense Unbiased Philosophical discussion of Ideologies between a Politician and a Journalist.
They must have set a Benchmark for people around world.
Now a days I like it when the interviewer is not in awe of Tharoor. Actually brings out a better conversation.
It’s remarkable how Thapar has continued for decades now to not give an inch away to the interviewee as long as at least a near legitimate answer or confession is obtained.
I like that Karan is going after Shashi, and even more that Shashi is ready to take it head on, instead of running away (like our dear modi).
But shameful that not a single bjp leader ever has to face tough interview. All they do is show up on cheap unintelligent shouting matches on debates, that too on pro-bjp channel.
The only time I feel we are in par with the quality of western politics and journalism is when these two men talk! Hope to see Tharoor lead this country one day!
4 feet good 2 feet bad.
Edit: Karan Thapar Ji, with all due respect, please let the other person finish his answer. 😅
You are right.
Karan Thapar's trait of not listening is well established.
He always more focussed on what he is going to ask rather than listening to what the speaker is saying.
His facial expressions & gestures prove this.
This becomes more irksome especially listening to a person like Shashi Tharoor.
Very well put. Thapar's style of interviewing seems hell bent on proving certain points, dwelling on minutiae, eliciting a reaction, et al. If only he were to be slightly more patient. Also he completely refuses to acknowledge contexts and opinions formed by personal experiences.
@@nalinthakar7059 I get your point. Still Thapar doesn't interrupt, he cuts in quickly to the next point and directs the course of the talk. We as audience can hear what Tharoor said at the point of diversion and move on. This particular dialogue is a very animated discussion between two friends, I think they are not offended or frustrated by each other. In the end we get the two narratives of nationalism and patriotism with two good english speakers chatting over 'The Battle of Belonging'.
Right
Yup, thats right.
Mr. Thapar seemed more rushed in this interview, he needed to let Mr. Tharoor finish his sentences
Agreed. I felt the same. And Mr. Tharoor charmingly allowed himself to be interrupted every time!
This is how an interview is supposed to be
Nowadays IN news channels we see only childish fights 😂😂
I came here for Vocabulary sessions.
Me 2👍
Same here...
So true
Rare sight these days...a perfectly civilized interview..really appreciate!!
Karan Great interview but please don't be impatient to ask the next question. Let the person first complete his thought/argument
Samuel Johnson was a beneficiary of colonialism... so it’s quite natural for him to equate patriots of the victim native land fighting or espousing for their freedom would sound like a cry of the scoundrels.
Come on Karan... grow up!
Passport is no test of patriotism. Given half-the chance, most Bhakts would dump their passports!
Even you.Bhakht is a term given by the likes of you for having a different perspective.For your inability to accept another view, while you would certify yourself as more evolved .The fact is you are inclined to a certain view and that you have nothing more to say to the opposite view but mere name calling makes you a less evolved.
Bhakts are blind followers of the fraud feku who has no character .
Yeah Bhakts are not patriotic
I think Karan got that true patriotism thing wrong. It was Shashi's own experiences and he acknowledges other local patriotism too.
Karan's grasp on history seems a little weak here. Tharoor also seems to miss his primary communication gap with Thapar:
People may call themselves nationalist or patriotic. These terms may have personal meanings to people. These terms also generally tend to have academic meanings, which is what Tharoor is really describing. Basically, what are the more technical features of these ideologies from a sociopolitical perspective?
Academically:
Patriotism is basically a sense of belonging to your country. Nationalism effectively defines the nation as a whole (by blood, language, territory, shared values/legal systems, religion, etc). Under nationalism, the nation is more important than the individual. However, "the nation" is often a fairly centralised concept, and embodied by the arms of the State. We are seeing in India how quickly a transfer of power can completely redefine the definition of the nation. So nationalism is intrinsically susceptible to State excess or oppression against individuals, because it is fairly easy to justify it under "national interest", which is conveniently decided largely by the State. Institutions like courts and the media are designed to protect against this, but cannot do so once captured.
The core issue is that most people would say they are patriotic. Many people that are incognisant of the difference in the meaning of the terms have been subjected to a bait and switch of starting with "I love my country, I am a stakeholder and I belong" and ending up with "the nation is supreme and therefore my rights are subservient to the national interest".
Finally, many patriots are actually willing to sacrifice their rights/freedoms/lives in service of the national interest. However the crucial question is who decides what the national interest is. When Delhi and the rest of India decide Kashmir needs a change in laws and that justifies locking up their citizens for 8 months, that is an abuse of nationalism in my book.
👍👍
Very well articulated. Hats off.
@@j.melton8257 Karan tends to do that. He seems to believe his audience would rather hear his editorial, oration and articulation of his interviewee's beliefs, instead of those beliefs from the horse's mouth. I remember his old videos didn't even have the guest's name in the title: the format was " | Karan Thapar".
For what it's worth, he may be right. His style is fairly distinctive and I imagine from the size of his following that there is a market for it. I think he manages to get quality guests and the interviews end up interesting enough for me, but on a more technical level I have issues with some aspect of his style, such as the one you pointed out.
Highly intellectual and enlightening interview, which was entirely expected given the presence of two such stalwarts.
17:23
"holding on to a passport is not a proof of patriotism or loyalty to the nation, or traitors wouldn't exist."
good point.
Why does Karan always want to interrupt as soon as he asks a question? He asks a question and gives his own opinion half the time.
Ha ha ha. Sometimes ..he's in a hurry
24:10 That was very rude of Karan not to hand over the book to Shashi to make his point. Karan is taking undue advantage of Shashi, who is merely being kind to be on his interview when most of bright politicians have boycotted him.
Very childish of Karan to aggressively hold on to his own point without letting Shashi clarify his.
12:49 It was Jesus who said "Hate the sin and not the sinners,". Gandhi merely repeated that scripture
I wish this man could become our PM
U got to b kidding
@@shub74 u for sure
absolutely agree
@@shub74 he is any day better than modi
congress leadership: hahahahahahaha
Karan's hand is too distracting. He raises it as soon as he asks a question.
🙄 I was watching without noticing until you pointed out 😠
Karan is nervous here. Tharoor is so relaxed and going with the flow. I can listen to Tharoor for days at stretch without blinking an eye :)
PLAIN HOGWASH DRESSED UP IN BOW TIE AND BLOWING HOT AIR
For God's sake give him the book to prove his point- I was infuriated when Thapar acted like a child and hid the book - afraid of being proven wrong? Only an Indian interviewer can act in such a childish way. Not acceptable in western world. I wish Shashi had forcefully snatched it from him.
Only an Indian interviewer eh? You don't seem to have noticed, at that point thappar was trying to agree to Tharoor's idea. So that Tharoor can talk about his book immediately after. It was a segue.
@@sanjaynalamaru segue? Far from it. Thapar interrupts too much and stops the flow. Annoying
Well done Dr. Tharoor for putting this into context and bringing focus to this ridiculous patriotism vs nationalism. Karan Thapar, why don’t you grill those in the government who really have a lot to answer to? Of course these comments are for viewers to argue among themselves and those in the video and creators of it remain silent and royally ignore the reactions after uploading them.
At least we can realise here with Karan thapar that we are watching like USA media
Karan took that line of true patriotism literally. Expected much more understanding from his part. He should've read between the lines. Nonetheless great interview.
Class always reflects in Shashi and Karan’s conversations!
The back and fort between Shashi and Karan is awesome👍
मुसलमानों की निष्ठा, जिस देश में रहते हैं, उसके प्रति नहीं होती बल्कि वह उस धार्मिक विश्वास पर निर्भर करती हैं जिसका की वे एक हिस्सा हैं जहां कहीं इस्लाम का शासन हैं वही उसका विश्वास हैं। बाबासाहब अंबेडकर
Please provide the reference, I would like to read it too. Thanks
@@z2zugzwang हमें यह सोचने पर विवश कर दिया गया हैं की मुसलमानों की पहली वफादारी मुस्लिम देशों के प्रति हैं, हमारी मातृभूमि के प्रति नहीं।
हमें यह भी मालुम हुवा हैं की उनकी उत्कट इच्छा हैं की 'अल्लाह का साम्राज्य' स्थापित करना, ना की संसार में परमात्मा का।
- डॉ एनी बेसेंट
Can’t appreciate Karan making a fight out of nothing :/
cannot stomach him
So True. He was trying to raise points out of nothing. Looked like his only goal was to twist the words and misinterpret the meaning in order to prove his own agenda. That's not how you interview. An interviewer must be without a prior agenda to enforce his own thoughts or prove his own points.
Thapar talks too much and doesn't let the guest talk.....I usually skip his interviews.
Interruptions are rude and unwarranted
Bjp can't even face this man's journalism
Mr Tharoor you are a man of very high stature; your upbringing says the kind of personality you are. You are a rare breed; of unique quality. The sophistication with which you carry yourself is unparalleled. There is do much knowledge to extract from you. I salute your honourable father for imbibing you with such great values in life. May you live to change the society which is going through such a hard time.
Karan Thapar has been a bit cringe, I must say. Having said that, I feel debates are necessary on anything and everything. Karan Thapar was a bit unprofessional at certain points, but given the standard of journalism in the country right now, this is more than acceptable.
Hahaha lesser of two evils
Do we deserve to have a prime minister like tharoor ji...
@prajna Paul Noooo! SuperSmart people will never understand the problems of those struggling average and below average souls. He would make a good foreign minister or culture / tourism minister
@@mohanvvip no i don't agree, this is the most stupid argument I've ever seen
@@mohanvvip u want to elect dumb ppl like modi
@@cam0987 NO. But Tharoor never had any problems with academics. The idea is to get a person who is average, has struggled with the system and knows its shortcomings. Not a person who cheats! 😊
No
Excellent Question asked by Karan Thapar sir.
Thanks sir for conducting a very fruitful session.
I have tears. Thanks Karan for this beautiful interview. This neutral and intellectual interview far supercedes the standards of The Wire's enforced bias and crass counter hindutva narrative.
This is the level of intellectual debate and deliberation we need going ahead.
Thanks Karan for this brilliant display of interviewing skill which Shashi had to dig deep to deal with.
Respect Sir.
What a riveting conversation!!!! This is how a book review should be done instead of just letting the author speak endlessly... I subscribe to WIRE only because of Karan Thapar.. just brilliant. Only the calilbre of Shashi Tharoor can handle him with a smile and eloquence
Shashi Tharoor at his best, karan best anchor, pardon me host! Your one of the best in India but as you say, request you to avoid assumptions n presumptions in your rebut for the guest reply and please let him finish his point. Thank you 🙏
Superb book review by Karan. Shashi really found a bit cornered by Karan! Enjoyed the interview.
Shashi tharoor is very good philosopher and dilplomat. I'm not sure if he is PM material. But to attract the masses, you cannot be s verbose. It has to straightaway capture the heart in 'Their language' which is more visual and symbolic. Look at how Modi wears Naga head dress or Yogi gets Rama and Sita to alight from helicopter! It gives the masses a sense of belonging, and a Pride in the heart about who they are. At the end of the day, when in trouble most Indians will go to Sri Ram only. That's who they are. Yu cannot change it. And why should you!?
In contrast, the liberals 'Talk down' to masses in their Queens English. You make the masses ashamed of who they are. I don't think Congress has much hope.
Your trolls are calling Hinduism a Gobar eating religion?! How low can you get?
The Goddess is watching. Mind it.
I am feeling proud simply because I understood the whole interview! 😂😂
😂
बाबासाहब अंबेडकर कहते हैं-
इस्लाम के सिद्धांतों में एक सिद्धांत उल्लेखनीय हैं, जो कहता हैं की उस देश में जो मुस्लिम शासन में नहीं हैं जब भी कभी मुसलमानों के कानून और उस देश के विद्यमान कानून के बीच संघर्ष उत्पन्न हो, तो इस्लामिक कानून को उस देश के कानून से ऊपर माना जाए।
Karan Thapar's arguments are actually a classic case of 'Missing the Woods for the Trees'.
In trying to push for lessening the differences between Patriotism and Nationalism,
Karan hasn't allowed Dr. Shashi Tharoor to make his point even though what Dr. Tharoor intends to say gets more and more blatantly clear.
That's Bad Interviewing.
At Times I too felt that .. Karan wasn’t letting Shashi complete
23:00 It was clearly an example 😂
People of hindi heartland should pay taxes ...but they are checking non Hindi people's loyality and eating taxes from South India and maharastra ..
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty
said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to
mean-neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you
can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
A passport should really only be viewed as a travel document... nothing less, nothing more.
We shouldnt downplay our NRIs and their choosing to stay and work abroad.
Some are captains of biggest corporates in the world ... Nadella, bagga, indira noorani etc .... give visibility to our country as a soft power, send back remittance eg backbone of kerala economy.
Let's not define patriotism as guidelines by some fool spouting parochial ideologies
I may disagree with some points of Tharoor but at least I am convinced that he will hear me out and might even convert to my belief. He won't lose his calm. (like Subhramanian Swamy)
I have a huge respect for this man even tho I disagree with some of his opinions outside this particular interview.