I love how House gave the baby to specifically Chase to do a biopsy. He did this so Chase could learn first hand that there was nothing he could do to save him- it wasn't his fault.
@@wobby1268 While Chase is smart, smart people can be stupid to, especially when emotions are involved like guilt. Chase may have just been sod depressed he wouldn't think on it so House made sure.
My mom had severe post partum psychosis. But only with me. Even 26 years later she says that she’s just never felt like my mother. And that she couldn’t stand to hear me cry not because she wanted me to be happy but that she hated having to hold me to get me to shut up. Such an insane phenomenon, considering she has 3 other kids she’d literally step infront of a train for just like a normal mom. This episode hits home for me
Even if it was all true, only a psycho would tell you about it in detail. Mothers do bond with their babies, given a little help. I hope you found love and self-worth outside of your narcissistic egg donor.
@@sasskvetch8617 well she’s not that way with her other kids. She’s actually the best mom in the world with them. It’s just me that she has no connection to.
I am glad House tore the alcoholic father apart. He wanted to put all the responsibility and blame on his wife. While ignoring the fact he watched her crumble and break and become more and more sick, and just ignored her. Wanted a wife, and child. Without the responsibility. In the end, he lost both.
It's hypocritical. He wants to say the dad ignored her and caused the baby's death indirectly but it happened in a hospital where it was the doctors jobs to not ignore her. The fault is the doctors. Just coz we like the character of house shouldn't delude us that his moral high ground is only reasonable in TV land. In Reality he's just a hypocrite
Right. I think he realized that trying again, making a fresh start, having another baby, wouldn’t work. It would sound hollow and there’d always be Mikey’s death hanging over them. He neglected his wife, his wife spiraled and unintentionally killed her son. The wife having to live with that the rest of her life? Idk. I probably wouldn’t want to live either.
@@bigbabotimes876 she killed her baby and it’s suddenly excusable because of ppd. The fact she didn’t get help before it got to that point makes it her fault. There’s a million different ways she herself could’ve prevented it.
they are garnering a lot of views too, if they can make AdSense from this, they are probably earning quite a lot. Not sure if they would though, with copyrights and all, unless all the actors/staff agreed to it.
Someone I knew had PPD after she had her kid. The baby was crying one day and wouldn't stop. There was a snow storm that day but the lady was convinced that if she bundled the baby up before putting her on the porch, she'd be fine. Luckily, people were there to help her see reason. She's a great mother now. It's odd how PPD can literally change your whole brain in such a short amount of time.
@@joshuahudson2170 Because they're dressed warm and in a stroller and put outside! They nap :) give yhe baby a warm hat, blankets, clothes and they'll be fine. Common practice in Denmark
I mean pregnancy and Childbirth literally alters not only the structure and shape of your body but also is one of the biggest changes a woman can go through hormonally. So it’s no surprise that the brain can be affected too. Honestly people act like PPD is such a shock when it really isn’t. A lot of mother’s experience it. Sadly most of the time it’s dismissed and the ‘baby blues’ become a colloquial for it- kind of like ‘you’ll get over it’ mentality it’s really messed up.
I love House. I love how he showed absolutely no mercy to the husband and how even as he was honest, brutally so, to the wife he still in that honesty was like it's not on you You deserve to live
I find it weird how everyone blames the husband for postpartum even though most the postpartum women I've seen were also domestically abusive to the husband so it's technically victim blaming if a man kills his baby he's a monster and it's nobody's fault but his but if a mother kills her baby (which happens more than the father) it's everyone's fault but hers and now we know why more women commit infanticide because they know people will be sympathetic with them so it's okay to do it over and over again
@@lillypharaoh5945 I am sorry that is the takeaway you took from what I said and from this episode. The way I saw it as was the wife needed help and the husband did not consider it his responsibility to watch over his wife or child. So the husband was saying it was solely the wife's problem and thus everything is her fault when House said no chica you fucked up, but the husband doesn't get away Scott free when he ignored what was going on around him
@@GaiaIbis yeah in that case he's right the husband could've prevented it if he wasn't wasted but I just wish there was more presentation of accountability (especially in the cases where the mothers don't have mental illnesses or when they have non-compulsive disorders)
@@sanatkumar4555 I don't think he completely absolved her either. I think he just stated that it isn't all on her and he made sure the husband knew that he fucked up too. Between her own guilds and her husband being like screw you with all on you She was about to kill herself and so he was stopping her from doing that, but I don't think he was saying she was blameless
Cold reality check that even House fully admit : you cannot just cheer up a grieving mom and even harder if the one you lost is your own child. There is no such as a magical formula to tell her. Reality being she still 100% convinced she killed her child.
@@vickiegibbons8765 Yes, someone that thinks, a grieving mother will move on from the fact that she suffocated her own baby, even if she was having a psychotic attack, she still remembers that feeling. You are too big of a dumbass
@@vickiegibbons8765 People literally go decades without realizing they have celiac (as a start). Even more take ages to figure out what PPD is and that they have it (or in some cases had it back when their child was a baby) and it's not just them. How could she know? And how could anyone else know if they don't know about celiac to begin with?
Disecting a baby in House: a mortifying job that takes a lot of willpower to get through Disecting a baby in Grey's Anatomy: a fun pastime to do while discussing relationships
It was just a big deal for Chase on a personal level. Honestly, babies die all the time, and a corpse is still a corpse. If you dissect corpses of various ages often enough, it stops being such a big deal that it's a baby you're cutting open. It becomes just another part of the job.
I love how House eviscerates the alcoholic. This guy had found himself an easy way out, blaming his wife and absolving himself of all responsibility. But he shares that responsibility and should hold himself accountable, even if nobody else does. I wish the whole world would work like that.
House literally had no idea what he was talking about. He took a bunch of random observations and extrapolated the guy's entire life from them. The only reason it worked out is that the writers basically gave him mental plot armor so he could never be wrong. As much as I like the show, so many of these monologues and "eviscerations" are just the writers room planning a plot around a few House rants so that the show could come off as a deeper examination of human nature than it really was. This is why I actually like the last couple of seasons better than most people, since so much of what he does becomes comical fuckups that are barely held together, forcing him to actually struggle with the consequences of who he is rather than the tropes of who he is. You can tell the early seasons had a lot of soap opera writers who struggled to generate interesting drama in several episodes.
@@dclark2529 I mean, considering that House is supposed to be the Sherlock Holmes of medicine, that's kinda just how he works. You might as well say that Sherlock Holmes should never solve mysteries in the way that he does, but that's why it's fiction. It's not a realistic medical show. It's a medical drama with Sherlock Holmes as the main character. Besides, the point of this part wasn't even how he got to the deduction. It was more that the character of the husband was also a bad person for how he pushes off his own responsibility for the tragedy. He could have used magic mind reading powers to get there, and it wouldn't change the scene much.
@@dclark2529 i disagree, at that point it’s not even an extrapolation based on a few details. it’s painted right onto the guys’ face and words how he literally verbally accuses his wife of holding the blame for killing their son and House himself is an alcoholic. Sometimes reading people comes from knowing yourself. He knows that when you’re an alcoholic you withdraw yourself from reality and coupled with the wives symptoms (which he really shouldn’t have missed because like House said someone doesn’t become so crazy to kill before being crazy enough or at least not well enough for someone to notice) he should have noticed something if he hadnt just been chugging the beer down instead of being responsible. If not notice she was bad mentally but bad physically as what she had was not only mental but an actual pathological illness. He’s mad because the husband so blatantly believes that he wasn’t as responsible for the death of his baby as he really was. Being a good husband or one at all implies certain responsibilities that he disregarded.
I love how much weight is put on the biopsy of a deceased child. That type of situation should be intense, heavy. And the sheer emptiness of the scene, nothing but Chase and Michael, really sells it.
House inspired me to become a doctor Then my lack of funds and the fact that I did bad during school (all related to family members being bitches... Aka abusive parents then I got kicked out of my house) and my personal ADHD and anxiety and depression prevented me from getting into med school, I went through a bad phase (drinking and smoking but I never became an alcoholic I drank moderately) I'm 26 now, I have a toddler from a relationship that ended when he was 3 months old (I thought baby daddy was the one) I didn't drink since I became pregnant, and I didn't smoke during my pregnancy but now I have a smoke every now and then (maybe I should stop but it's a stress outlet and I'd rather burn cigarettes than possibly yelling at my kid or abusing him I don't wanna make the mistakes my parents did) maybe I'll try again one day and get the right qualifications then get into med school... I just can't handle study stress and dept stress now Also selfish thought.. Even though we need doctors now more than ever I'd rather not Endanger my son... I'm also the only one he has if I die he ends up in an orphanage or worse with my family (they're abusive and toxic)... I would rather not get sick and die due to exposure in my work or get him sick and kill him so I'll stick to what I'm doing for now and when things get better (and I get stable income) I'll shoot my shot
I dont think it would be that bad given most geniuses and savants and autistic people are extremely blunt and straight forward... and often times people who are more emotional and sensitive tend to feel like people who are extremely blunt are simply "rude" or "assholes"... but thats not how they actually are... so I don't think it would be to bad to deal with house if you understood that he was just forward and blunt and processed things differently!!
You should do a compilation of house saying insane stuff while walking into cuddys office.. examples: “I need to give shrooms to a 14 year old” “The patient will live if I infect him with another disease” “Need to cut off a guys head” These aren’t exactly right they’re from memory but you get the idea
@@katiebayliss9887 This logic is also for people that are suicidal unfortunately when it happens everyone wants to run around and wonder why it happened but like house said it also applies to if people do it themselves people don’t get crazy enough to hurt themselves without first being crazy enough for somebody to notice people just don’t do anything about it until it’s too late and I don’t care about it until it’s too late
@@justcallmegoth1279 Suicidal people tend to have this habit when they've decided to end it that they cheer up knowing an ending to their suffering. Makes unexperienced people think they're ok now and stop worrying about them, making openings that weren't there before.
@@TheVercci Actually that’s exactly why you should be suspicious of that. If you notice a drastic change, chances are something isn’t quite right. And still, you don’t have to be experienced to know that some people’s depression and suicidal thoughts and tendencies can leak through their dialogue, actions, voice and facial changes. It’s really not as hard to notice as people make it seem. A lot of people just choose to ignore the signs, because that’s more convenient for them and easier overall.
Actually...all that the husband's sobriety might have accomplished is him running interference with the mother's depression. In fact, it might have gone undiagnosed for even longer and he couldn't be there ALL the time to 'catch' her in her weak moments. Yes...the husband should be sober, but his sobriety does NOTHING to address the celiac disease and the secondary mental health issues with psychoses that resulted.
@@victorpradha9946 The major problem was the fact he wasn't around and kept ignoring his wife. The semantic argument of it may be making things worse if he was around is vastly overshadowed by all the points House made. She had no support pillars, no one to turn to. I can make a similar argument that if he was sober maybe she could've mentioned pain from eating gluten products and he would've brought her to the doctor. Would that go just as I said it would? Probably not, but it is just as likely as nothing happening by changing a major factor in her depressive episode.
@@CrabLadius yes we get it women are always special angels and we should be there. Alcoholism rarely happens just because. Where’s your sympathy for what plights he might have had hmm?
@@billybobbobson3797 he ignored his wife’s severe PPD and left her alone with the baby to drink because he didn’t want to deal with it. It’s his fault the kid is dead because he refused to get his wife the help she needed when he knew not doing so would have horrible consequences. He let his wife and child get sicker and sicker because he would rather be out drinking like the bum he is
He wasn't throwing shade, although it sounds like it. She'd already refused treatment and wanted to die. I think he was about to suggest trying to make amends between each other if she got the treatment, but stopped himself and just expressed his guilt/regret. I think. That's what it sounds like anyway lol
@@hennessygarciahgagreed. Be chooses to not show it because he thinks it makes him a better doctor. This is also why he didn't continue his methadone treatment, his pain made him a better doctor. Such a tragic character.
@@hennessygarciahg i think he just pretends to be a sociopath when dealing with patients, trying to be as objective as possible. Though in the end, he's just a broken man and the best diagnostician.
@@mauz791 yep he just doesn’t want to get too close so that he can think logically and so that he won’t get hurt. I noticed that the people that he has open up to one way or another they’re gone in someway.
The scene at the end is so satisfying to me. It’s all so tragic but something about the way the husband has not only accepted his role in what happened but accepted that it’s his wife’s own choice to keep living or not. It shows some growth that he doesn’t argue with her decision out of a sense of guilt or a desire to not be alone. He doesn’t want her to die but he doesn’t want to force her to keep living with what happened.
Agreed 100%. It kind of shows what House said actually broke him, forced him out of his defensiveness and denial and made him try to be better person even if it was too late. It's sad but many addicts have to hit rock bottom before they can change.
@@DavidWilson-mi3uk Too bad at that rate he'll drink himself to death if he doesn't hang himself before that. 3 for 1, but at least he solved the puzzle and got Foreman back.
there's a lot of stress when you become a new mom, especially when you have no support at home, I was always asked how I was feeling by the doctors when I brought my daughter for check ups and knowing that I used to have some depression I applied to be seen to a therapist until he said I was fine, I was lucky I had support of my family or else I don't know how I would have manage all alone as a single mother if I lived by myself, sleepless nights and not knowing what the hell I was doing, i was constantly scared I might develop postpartum and the doctor told me if I ever felt like hurting myself or the baby, I would have to be admitted, luckily I didnt, it really takes a village to raise a kid.
I'm a disabled mom. All I've ever wanted in life was to be a mom and without my sisters and parents and my very very supportive hetero lifepartner, that dream would have never been realized. I owe my village so much, all of my happiness. ❤️ but when my daughter was born and then I got really sick, my mom had me terrified that because of my cognitive and neurological difficulties that one day someone would send CPS to my door and take my daughter. Fortunately that never happened but I was legitimately scared of it. Then I got really sick and became a chronic illness patient too. My family has really come through for me time and time again and I always am happy for the chances I get to do the same for them even if it's something mundane like free babysitting
Probably my fav quote of the entire show came from this episode. “I know a person doesn’t get crazy enough to kill someone without being crazy enough for someone to notice.” I repeat this all time these days- especially when it comes to mass shootings. I’m not saying mental illness means we need to excuse or forgive people that do terrible things, of course not. If you have capacity, you’re responsible for your actions. However, I firmly believe that 98% of people that do terrible things to either themselves or others, they show clear signs beforehand. It’s just nobody wants to believe how serious those signs and symptoms are, and don’t want to take responsibility for the idea that they possibly could have intervened and maybe prevented a tragedy.
I had a manic episode right after giving birth. I heard voices and sounds. They were so real. So real. I can never forget them, so vivid in my mind. It's scary. I constantly question what's really real now.
Recovering meth addict here. I can empathize with the voices and disconnect between what's real and what isn't anymore. The voices are so tangible that it warps your entire perspective of being alive. It's like people living inside your head with you and your every thought and emotion invokes criticism and blatant awareness of it, even your sub-conscious thoughts... I am sorry you have to go through that. I at least deserve it. You do not.
@@madezra64 you don't deserve it either. Even if it was caused by the drugs. Being an addict doesn't mean that you deserve everything bad that happens to you caused by the drugs. You have to recognise that you are responsible for your addiction and how you manage it, but being responsible has nothing to do with deserving to be punished that way
I have celiac disease! It was refreshing to see people treating it like a medical problem and not just a diet or something in your head that we overreact about.
Exactly!! I dont have celiacs but i have a very extreme gluten sensitivity where i have all the same symptoms of celiac the bloating, redness of eyes, sickness vitamine deficiency and its very refreshing to see it treated as a real issue and not a joke. Way too many people treat food sensativaties as a joke
Celiac disease, currently is in 1.6% in Americans (don't know where you're from). It's a real medical problem, but it is unfortunately absorbed into bogus health trends and used by folks who "self-diagnose". My sister is one of those people.
I found out I've had it for the past three years and didn't know for the first year, and seeing an episode that shows it as a disease instead of a trend is . . . a blessing. It can be a lifestyle for people, if they want it. But for those with Celiac, like us, we never got that choice. We have to rearrange everything for the rest of our lives so we're not in constant pain, and we still risk cancer and more. This episode really was refreshing to me.
Diagnosed with celiacs six months ago and I'm glad I had forgotten about this episode while I was still wrapping my head around everything! Now it just feels like a relief to see it portrayed as a "real" medical condition. My family is very supportive but I feel like most of them don't fully realize just how serious it is and how careful I have to be. It helps that I've got a couple of diabetics and several folks with severe food allergies on one side but I didn't fully grasp their struggles until my diagnosis.
My mother had post-partum psychosis, she told me she was crying as she thought she could be unnable to raise me and lot more of negative thoughts were going in her. But 3 days later she was gently giving me a head pat and I as baby smiled and laughed trying to pat her cheecks. Then my mother started to cry again with happiness saying "I love you Rubén, my beutiful and precius child". This quote was from my father who watched this: "You maybe were the cause from your mother depresion in those days but only few days later you also saved her from that".
House tries to act like he doesn't care about the patients when he really does. This is a perfect example of it. Tells Chase to get over the baby dying and do his job: 0:11 Tells Foreman to try to "go in there and tell her every day is a blessing, so what you killed your baby, shake it off, at least you're still alive!" 7:46
You can say it's really not the husband's fault this happened because he's not the one that made her sick and go insane, but House wasn't wrong about him. He did ignore his wife when he didn't wanna deal with her on bad days and went out for a drink instead, and that's why House was ripping him apart. If he'd stayed with her, he might have been able to stop this
I doubt we are watching the same thing yo 🤣 He's a deadbeat- he left her when she needed him the most while getting drunk frequently. He would have noticed her Postpartum sooner & Mikey...
How’s he a deadbeat for working and providing financial support ? Reality of the matter is this, even if he noticed it unless he knows what the illness is he wouldn’t know how to diagnose it himself r even look for the symptoms. Trying to shift blame on him is just silly.
@@masterDarts4188??? Who said he had to diagnose her, or even look for more symptoms, if he noticed there was a problem he could’ve gotten her to a doctor, diagnosis is their job, and he the chances are he almost definitely noticed and ignored it or didn’t care
@@itsjustvin7630 he has his own life too you fool..... should he put a halt to his own lofe to act as a nurse for her the rest of his life.....he should have divorced her outright.....
i believe she had hallucinations one of which was her son he blamed it all the harm she caused on her, but right now he's accepting it and that he's at fault too for ignoring her issues hence "tell him his dad is sorry"
This reminds me of something that Dr. Adam Kay wrote in ‘this is going to hurt’, when he had to take tissue samples from a dead baby: ‘I dress him again, look up to a God I don’t believe in and say, ‘Look after him.’ ‘
I have to say, when I saw this on TV the first time, I was blown away. I never would fathom any show would take on parents actively killing their children with their own hands. The shock was off the charts. House M.D. broke the mold.
@@SevCaswell No one is 'allowed into' Heaven. Good has elected all, and you only have to accept it to join eternity; the destiny of unbaptised children has not been revealed to the Church, and Her prayer for dead infants is founded on the hope of universal Love and a humble acceptation of ignorance. Please baptise your kids as soon as possible.
@@SevCaswell So if a family hasn't baptized an infant and the infant dies it goes where, to hell? That's absurd. The child doesn't have the intelligence to make a choice. Even if it's an older child raised in a non religious family theyre still too young to understand religion or God. It's called the age of accountability. Even if you weren't baptized or arent religious. Because they dont have the mental capacity to understand or comprehend it yet. So why wouldnt God give mercy? Catholicism is way too extreme and takes way too many things out of context. Which considering it's history I guess not much has changed
House is right when he says 'said like a real sane person' when it comes her mentioning that she should just have not listened to the voices. Cuz yeah, insanity makes people act in ways that are highly unpredictable.
@@lle.5583 i mean… i understand how he felt, he still shouldnt have said that but he had just lost his son, his baby boy. and the reason he lost him was because of that woman. i know it was tough for the mom but i wouldnt be able to look at someone who killed my sweet baby.
Yeah- marriages where there is the death of a child often end, even if neither parent is at fault. The people claiming its the husbands fault are probably saints who of course could forgive their spouse if he or she was directly responsible, an/or all therapists who would know how to deal with somebody suffering a psychotic break.
I think they should leave House ambigious, but we see how Chase is doing. I'm better off not knowing what he did while he and Wilson rode off on motorcycles.
House is a great show, but probably not a good source of medical information, as he has to see the most extreme and unusual presentations every week for dramatic purposes. Definitely not saying to neglect your treatment, of course, but maybe rely more on other valid sources for info on things like probability and severity of complications.
@@michaelccozens also the vast majority of doctors don't almost kill their patients half a dozen times during the course of diagnosis and treatment only to save them dramatically at the last minute with some epiphany about what is going on.
Here in Arkansas, I saw a child go through 2 yrs of doctors, specialist, er visits and never checked. It wasn't until child services were called on the mother and case worker was gathering info on everyone. The case worker called up my mother( we are friends of the family) my mother begged her to get the child tested. It came back positive and the child had to have surgery because of how much damage was done. Child was only 6 yrs old. Our health care system doesn't prevent diseases, it only treats them.
Not necessarily. I know two (recent) separate people who were missed for coeliac here in Ireland until their mid-20s despite showing the classic symptoms- both were sent to dieticians in one of Ireland main hospitals for years without being spotted. One of them had to beg for a scope as an adult which finally confirmed both coeliac and a serious intolerance to lactose. Both were considered to be just 'fussy' and given a presumed diagnosis of IBS and sent away until they went as adults elsewhere privately 🤷♀️ I know another who went through the same, she later was hospitalised as an adult with Crohns.
@@chaoskittenxo huh that's weird, maybe they just check psych patients regularly? i was tested both when i was put on meds first and also when i was admitted to a psych hospital. it's a simple blood test it sucks that it gets missed at all, and sucks even more that ppl have to fight with doctors over it.
I was in school and hostel. Age 16/17. When I ate gluten my body reacted as if it was an allergic reactions, followed with the body trying to get rid of the food. After one of those long nights with almost no sleep, I went to the doctor. The doctor suggested to gut out gluten. I was better immediately 😃. I went on a strict diet for about 8 years, gluten can take 2 years to get out of your body. I started eating gluten products by accident at first and realised that I am fine. I have been living normally for several years. Sadly the research is limited in this field and most products, even if they say gluten free, are simply not. If you don't bake it yourself, assume it contains gluten. Packaging labels don't require gluten to be shown, can't eat a candy bar since gluten is used between the wrapper and bar, not listed on label.
@@surrealb7214 I’m guessing they probably just have gluten intolerance not actual celiac disease If you have celiac you will always get ill from gluten! You need to get blood work and a scope/biopsy to confirm celiac but a lot of people don’t get that and when they are told they can’t have gluten they just assume they have celiac ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have severe celiac disease and I have a cousin who just is gluten intolerant If I eat any gluten I get very very ill but my cousin can eat small amounts of gluten without getting ill
I had celiac disease , I even had a pre cancerous growth in my lower intestine . I went on a strict diet for 10 years and I was on heavy medicated . I can eat gluten for the most part now though without reacting(ofc I usually choose not to , I don't wanna tempt fate )
Very interesting! Allergies are abfi kle thing. Perhaps your histamines were so devoid of gluten contact, it simply no longer registered gluten as hostile. This allowing you to reintroduce it as a regular non invasive substance.
"If we were all just satisfied with what we had, what a beautiful world it would be! We'd all slowly starve to death in our own filth, but at least we'd be happy!" Truth bombs like this are what I love about early House.
Someone once commented that shows like this are so popular because it creates the fantasy that medical professionals actually care and spend time thinking about a patient. I'm in the U.S. you get 30 minutes for a full medical history and initial visit. Good luck paying your thousands in bills.
My docs are fantastic and spend as much time as I need. If I can’t pay for something, I get a discount and a payment plan. You should try to find different docs.
@@thaliakittycake8496 Then you should bring this up with your insurance company. People don't realize it, but everything is controlled by them. Doctors can bill your visit as per how much insurance companies will reimburse.
I like that House didn’t immediately lay into the dad; he only did so once the dude provoked him to. House isn’t heartless and he often gives people a chance to make the right decisions for themselves before he drops the truth bombs they need to hear.
I once read that a difficult miscarriage, or the death of baby or toddler, always ruins a partnership. A child dying that isn't the first, is a family trauma and workable. The first child dying, makes a family [Almost] impossible. EDIT: I mean this in the same statistic that less than 1 in 10 000 highschool sweethearts end up growing old together. In no way is it mandated that such a relationship is doomed to fail, good fortune unto those who do not, but it's rare.
Thats not true in all cases. My fiance and I had a son (first born) who was born via emergency c section at 25 weeks and never got to leave the hospital. He spent 6 months in the nicu before he died. It was devastating, to say the least, and it did cause huge issues within our relationship. Those issues only stemmed from the fact that we were both grieving and were alone with no support from any kind of medical professional so we lashed out at each other. Since that happened back in 2016 we have had 4 miscarriages which was also horrible but nothing like the pain of losing our first born. The last miscarriage was actually incomplete for almost 3 weeks and i was borderline septic. The surgeon at the hospital here refused to do a d&c so the ER doctors didnt have a choice but to send me home with several different kinds of antibiotics so i hopefully didnt end up back full blown septic. It actually took us all these years to finally find the peace and forgiveness that we didn't know we needed to be able to move on. Today, our relationship is thriving, stronger than ever, and I'm 19 weeks pregnant 😊 We are expecting a little girl this time and thankfully have a team of high risk doctors monitoring us very closely. We know that something could still happen but it's not going to be able to tear us away from each other. For most partnerships, I can agree with you. Just wanted to point out that it doesn't apply to everyone.
@Sophia Degand Ye I redact my previous statement, I have no idea why I was talking in absolutes: It's very unbecoming of me. I was most likely on a mental train of thought and failed to express the entire journey.
I absolutely love how even in the most intense and emotional scenes, House never sheds a tear or gives it a single loving thought, this character was one of the best tv doctors ever, god I fucking love this show
@@dietotakuYeah I’m getting tired of idiots siding with the dad. Like parenting a new born without support is just something a new mom should be expected to do. I don’t know I would hope that your partner would care that you’re sick and try to help instead of letting it get out of hand and then blaming you for being sick in the first place. But so many people have never experienced mental illness so what can I expect right?
this episode was heart breaking and also is too close to home for some, there need to be more info on post natal depression and some need stop worry about what others think, because this is what can happen.
Yeah we need to stop shaming mothers and help them. It’s just pathetic that we have this idea of a perfect mother and the very thought that a woman would need help is just scoffed at.
This episode had so many triggers for me. When I first watched it I had just had a baby and the scene with him in the bathtub freaked me right out. I never had a bath with him and for the longest time made sure the baby bath water wasn't high enough to drown him. My partner is a coeliac as well so it was a whole other thing to get him tested. My sister in law had her baby as well and she was showing all the hallmarks of PPD. We made sure she got as much support she could.
He was saying the same thing about his wife and she was spiraling out of control and he knew it. She would have done better to walk away. It is a lot better than what happened with the baby. SMH
Negligence by the hospital staff is what caused the death of the baby. They were wrong to leave a recently NICU discharged infant in the UNSUPERVISED hands of a medically ill mother. The mom was the proximate cause of the infant's demise but the hospital staff was negligent to leave the baby in her care without proper supervision. The dad is a negligent husband and father.
@@majormana1 but they know about post partum which is severely high in most mother's after birth and they should've known to have the mother and child on frequent check ups.
@@cobyparty so by that logic every woman who ever gives birth should be treated as though she is about to smother her baby? I don't disagree necessarily, statistically speaking the most dangerous thing to an infant is it's own mother. But I'm just saying...I'm pretty sure you do that enough times you are going to get sued.
Only mothers with mental health issues will be observed. That's the protocol. Medically I'll doesn't come in that category. New mothers would freak out if a staff member is always with her and for how long?
Babies need socialization with their mother to develop properly emotionally, and some mothers go crazier when kept too far from them... it's a lose, lose situation. What they SHOULD of done is have her monitored by a nurse or patient sitter considering she's under House's care AND having a baby. But they get spread too thin, I know because I was a sitter. If they hadn't ruled out Foreman's psyche theory, she probably could of gotten one, but too little too late.
Yeah, the husband may not have directly hurt his wife but him ignoring her or leaving her alone when she was hurting helped with nothing House told it like it is,like he always does.
My daughter is Coeliac, once we started weaning her, her health just went downhill so fast. Nobody would listen to me. NOBODY. My daughters birthweight was 6lb 13oz. At one year old she weighed 5lb exact. My paediatrician told me I was a fussy mother. I cannot begin to tell you how bad those months were, nobody listening, my husband lost his job because he had so much time off to help me deal with Megs, no money to pay for nappies or food or bills. We ended up removing my daughter from local hospital, my father drove us to Great Ormand Street Hospital. At one year old she was taken into the NICU...she was so dehydrated from the violent diarrhea (later I was told it was so bad it was classed as steatorrhoea ) they only place the could put a drip, was in a vein in her head. The consultant came to see me and my husband. He was so harsh, why hadn't we taken our daughter to the doctor sooner? I did..of course I did, no mother is going watch her child die in front of her. ProCoeliac
oh jesus i really hope your daughter is better i also recently got diagnosed and it’s crazy back to when my health was at its worse i was extremely depressed and was in so much pain all the time to the point where it nearly killed me coeliacs is no joke
@@shrug_s8423 Bless you thank you! She is doing extremely well, she's 29 and is currently taking a year sabbatical in Australia from her Masters degree course in psychology. Not only am I proud of her for that, I'm also proud to say that since she was old enough to make a choice she has engaged in medical trials of all sorts regarding Coeliac disease. She's even doing some out in Auz, and some of them are very invasive. I hope you continue to feel better! Much love xx
For me its the 'When you see Mikey'. He knows what's going to happen, and he wants to make amends when the damage is already done. As much as people will say that's a bad mindset, someone dying really is damage that can't be reversed, so him trying is just heartbreaking to me.
“If you get treatment we could-“ ha. I’m going off of what House said about him, and he’s right. She showed signs he just neglected them and her. He needs treatment too, therapy, medication, a divorce!
Chase did the most emotional and spiritual thing ever, praying before going forward with the biopsy on the baby was priceless! Well done young man, well done.
Most important thing I ever heard at an AA meeting: "If I'm a drunken horse thief and I quit drinking, I still need to figure out how to quit stealing horses."
This was one of saddest, hardest episodes in my opinion. It wasn’t even a long case, this was one of the more simple ones, but it made me cry more than any of the other ones have.
0:15 Wow! Well i learned something new today!😯 At first i assumed it was just the Aussie accent and it sounded similar to Polystyrene but no, Polystyrene is actually used in a medication to treat high potassium! 🤯
When I saw the dad holding his dead baby, if that was me, I couldn't ever let my baby go. I know I'd have to eventually, but every second I can have with my baby boy, I'd savour. Remembering every precious moment.
I don't get how resigned House was in the end. Logical, but inconsistent with House convincing other previous coherent patients refusing treatment even when the puzzle was solved.
Also there is no recovery for her, physically yes but mentally? She’s destroyed. Her baby is dead and she killed him no amount of therapy or medication will ever change that
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I love how House gave the baby to specifically Chase to do a biopsy. He did this so Chase could learn first hand that there was nothing he could do to save him- it wasn't his fault.
and then went on to directly spell it out to chase that because of the disease the meds wouldnt work. not insulting him just getting through to him
Chase needed that much detail to get it. each character understood things differently
@@majormana1 Chase was sharp; he didn't need things spelled out. Most likely that was just the writers spelling things out for the audience.
@@wobby1268 While Chase is smart, smart people can be stupid to, especially when emotions are involved like guilt. Chase may have just been sod depressed he wouldn't think on it so House made sure.
Chase's prayer was extremely powerful to me
My mom had severe post partum psychosis. But only with me. Even 26 years later she says that she’s just never felt like my mother. And that she couldn’t stand to hear me cry not because she wanted me to be happy but that she hated having to hold me to get me to shut up. Such an insane phenomenon, considering she has 3 other kids she’d literally step infront of a train for just like a normal mom. This episode hits home for me
Wow
Even if it was all true, only a psycho would tell you about it in detail. Mothers do bond with their babies, given a little help. I hope you found love and self-worth outside of your narcissistic egg donor.
My mom didn’t bond with me
I didn’t bond with her
I bonded deeply with my 5, no problem
It’s not a deal breaker
Just very sad for the affected baby
@@sasskvetch8617 well she’s not that way with her other kids. She’s actually the best mom in the world with them. It’s just me that she has no connection to.
Wow feels like she is Ready for a big chewing out
I am glad House tore the alcoholic father apart. He wanted to put all the responsibility and blame on his wife. While ignoring the fact he watched her crumble and break and become more and more sick, and just ignored her. Wanted a wife, and child. Without the responsibility. In the end, he lost both.
No, there is no excuse for killing an infant.
@@anthonybanderas9930 the mother and father are to blame for the child's death
@@anthonybanderas9930 She had a psychosis...she had no excuse, she just had a mental disorder, meaning something you can't control.
@@hiimmistergay4247 no, just the mother. His ignorance didn't kill anybody, her hands did.
It's hypocritical. He wants to say the dad ignored her and caused the baby's death indirectly but it happened in a hospital where it was the doctors jobs to not ignore her. The fault is the doctors. Just coz we like the character of house shouldn't delude us that his moral high ground is only reasonable in TV land. In Reality he's just a hypocrite
Love how House has Chase do the biopsy so it proved he didn’t do anything wrong. And he looked directly at Chase to explain that it wasn’t his fault.
“If you got treatment maybe we could...” the pause there when he realizes that there’s just too much there is devastating
Right. I think he realized that trying again, making a fresh start, having another baby, wouldn’t work. It would sound hollow and there’d always be Mikey’s death hanging over them. He neglected his wife, his wife spiraled and unintentionally killed her son. The wife having to live with that the rest of her life? Idk. I probably wouldn’t want to live either.
@@SusanaCanales1 holding a pillow over someone’s face until they die is intentional.
@@idontcare-sf1vb Not if you are crazy
Followed by “when you see Mikey…” 😢
@@bigbabotimes876 she killed her baby and it’s suddenly excusable because of ppd. The fact she didn’t get help before it got to that point makes it her fault. There’s a million different ways she herself could’ve prevented it.
'Go on in there and tell her everyday is a blessing, So you killed your baby, shake it off, think positive at least you're alive'
Shake not shack but god I love house
Your, not you’re. Funny that people confuse it otherwise
@@dragonkamran im pretty sure he knows that homophones exist, a lot of people just don't care to edit.
Don't be grammar Nazies.
@@billytopless1172 lets tone it down w the dark humor xD
It still blows my mind how active this channel is. House MD is a fantastic show and I love how it's being kept alive
Indeed xD
they are garnering a lot of views too, if they can make AdSense from this, they are probably earning quite a lot. Not sure if they would though, with copyrights and all, unless all the actors/staff agreed to it.
I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it pop up in recommended 😂 hadn’t thought of the show in years! Dare I say more than a decade
Cult classic for sure. Will be forever I’m sure.
More alive than that baby, aayyoooo
Someone I knew had PPD after she had her kid. The baby was crying one day and wouldn't stop. There was a snow storm that day but the lady was convinced that if she bundled the baby up before putting her on the porch, she'd be fine. Luckily, people were there to help her see reason. She's a great mother now. It's odd how PPD can literally change your whole brain in such a short amount of time.
You know people actually do that right? I don't know how but the babies live.
@@joshuahudson2170 Because they're dressed warm and in a stroller and put outside! They nap :) give yhe baby a warm hat, blankets, clothes and they'll be fine. Common practice in Denmark
its the sudden big hormones change that makes you got ppd. its unavoidable to get ppd but the action you make from ppd was preventable.
Yes, I've had it for 40 years.
I mean pregnancy and Childbirth literally alters not only the structure and shape of your body but also is one of the biggest changes a woman can go through hormonally. So it’s no surprise that the brain can be affected too.
Honestly people act like PPD is such a shock when it really isn’t. A lot of mother’s experience it. Sadly most of the time it’s dismissed and the ‘baby blues’ become a colloquial for it- kind of like ‘you’ll get over it’ mentality it’s really messed up.
I love House. I love how he showed absolutely no mercy to the husband and how even as he was honest, brutally so, to the wife he still in that honesty was like it's not on you You deserve to live
I find it weird how everyone blames the husband for postpartum even though most the postpartum women I've seen were also domestically abusive to the husband so it's technically victim blaming if a man kills his baby he's a monster and it's nobody's fault but his but if a mother kills her baby (which happens more than the father) it's everyone's fault but hers and now we know why more women commit infanticide because they know people will be sympathetic with them so it's okay to do it over and over again
@@lillypharaoh5945 I am sorry that is the takeaway you took from what I said and from this episode. The way I saw it as was the wife needed help and the husband did not consider it his responsibility to watch over his wife or child. So the husband was saying it was solely the wife's problem and thus everything is her fault when House said no chica you fucked up, but the husband doesn't get away Scott free when he ignored what was going on around him
@@GaiaIbis yeah in that case he's right the husband could've prevented it if he wasn't wasted but I just wish there was more presentation of accountability (especially in the cases where the mothers don't have mental illnesses or when they have non-compulsive disorders)
Idk I wouldn’t absolve the mother of responsibility, regardless of her husbands actions, she was still the one that took their baby’s life
@@sanatkumar4555 I don't think he completely absolved her either. I think he just stated that it isn't all on her and he made sure the husband knew that he fucked up too. Between her own guilds and her husband being like screw you with all on you She was about to kill herself and so he was stopping her from doing that, but I don't think he was saying she was blameless
Cold reality check that even House fully admit : you cannot just cheer up a grieving mom and even harder if the one you lost is your own child. There is no such as a magical formula to tell her. Reality being she still 100% convinced she killed her child.
well she did. by not understanding her own condition, and that her baby had it too. where is the maternal care here? where were her carers?
@@vickiegibbons8765 Yes, someone that thinks, a grieving mother will move on from the fact that she suffocated her own baby, even if she was having a psychotic attack, she still remembers that feeling. You are too big of a dumbass
@@vickiegibbons8765how was she supposed to know her condition and that her son had it?
@@vickiegibbons8765 People literally go decades without realizing they have celiac (as a start). Even more take ages to figure out what PPD is and that they have it (or in some cases had it back when their child was a baby) and it's not just them. How could she know? And how could anyone else know if they don't know about celiac to begin with?
“Like diabetics choose not to produce insulin.”
I love you House.
Same
Jeez there's some amazingly good actors and actresses in this show, that woman was brilliant.
The dad on the other hand...
@@fyukfy2366 Agreed, he wasn't as good as her.. not entirely terrible but yeah.. not great..
They are called actors......
@@whyhe11othere That's what he said...
Claire Danes
Disecting a baby in House: a mortifying job that takes a lot of willpower to get through
Disecting a baby in Grey's Anatomy: a fun pastime to do while discussing relationships
Nah
It was just a big deal for Chase on a personal level.
Honestly, babies die all the time, and a corpse is still a corpse. If you dissect corpses of various ages often enough, it stops being such a big deal that it's a baby you're cutting open. It becomes just another part of the job.
Didn’t happen
My Dad an ex-Amublance put this way; emergency workers find it the hardest when children die
@@rawyld i can’t imagine what that’s like….
I love how House eviscerates the alcoholic. This guy had found himself an easy way out, blaming his wife and absolving himself of all responsibility. But he shares that responsibility and should hold himself accountable, even if nobody else does. I wish the whole world would work like that.
Agreed...House eviscerated then poured lemon juice on the cut
Probably dragged a troubled man into an early grave, just to diagnose a patient with no will to live. The two for one special.
House literally had no idea what he was talking about. He took a bunch of random observations and extrapolated the guy's entire life from them. The only reason it worked out is that the writers basically gave him mental plot armor so he could never be wrong. As much as I like the show, so many of these monologues and "eviscerations" are just the writers room planning a plot around a few House rants so that the show could come off as a deeper examination of human nature than it really was. This is why I actually like the last couple of seasons better than most people, since so much of what he does becomes comical fuckups that are barely held together, forcing him to actually struggle with the consequences of who he is rather than the tropes of who he is. You can tell the early seasons had a lot of soap opera writers who struggled to generate interesting drama in several episodes.
@@dclark2529 I mean, considering that House is supposed to be the Sherlock Holmes of medicine, that's kinda just how he works. You might as well say that Sherlock Holmes should never solve mysteries in the way that he does, but that's why it's fiction. It's not a realistic medical show. It's a medical drama with Sherlock Holmes as the main character.
Besides, the point of this part wasn't even how he got to the deduction. It was more that the character of the husband was also a bad person for how he pushes off his own responsibility for the tragedy. He could have used magic mind reading powers to get there, and it wouldn't change the scene much.
@@dclark2529
i disagree, at that point it’s not even an extrapolation based on a few details. it’s painted right onto the guys’ face and words how he literally verbally accuses his wife of holding the blame for killing their son and House himself is an alcoholic. Sometimes reading people comes from knowing yourself. He knows that when you’re an alcoholic you withdraw yourself from reality and coupled with the wives symptoms (which he really shouldn’t have missed because like House said someone doesn’t become so crazy to kill before being crazy enough or at least not well enough for someone to notice) he should have noticed something if he hadnt just been chugging the beer down instead of being responsible. If not notice she was bad mentally but bad physically as what she had was not only mental but an actual pathological illness. He’s mad because the husband so blatantly believes that he wasn’t as responsible for the death of his baby as he really was. Being a good husband or one at all implies certain responsibilities that he disregarded.
I love how much weight is put on the biopsy of a deceased child. That type of situation should be intense, heavy. And the sheer emptiness of the scene, nothing but Chase and Michael, really sells it.
Imagine going through medical school just to put up with house for the rest of your career.
If you cant grow a spine you dont belong in medicine
Well no he does “die” at some point
Well let's examine the people who worked under him.
Cameron became Head of ER
Foreman became Dean of Medicine
Chase became his successor.
House inspired me to become a doctor
Then my lack of funds and the fact that I did bad during school (all related to family members being bitches... Aka abusive parents then I got kicked out of my house) and my personal ADHD and anxiety and depression prevented me from getting into med school, I went through a bad phase (drinking and smoking but I never became an alcoholic I drank moderately) I'm 26 now, I have a toddler from a relationship that ended when he was 3 months old (I thought baby daddy was the one) I didn't drink since I became pregnant, and I didn't smoke during my pregnancy but now I have a smoke every now and then (maybe I should stop but it's a stress outlet and I'd rather burn cigarettes than possibly yelling at my kid or abusing him I don't wanna make the mistakes my parents did) maybe I'll try again one day and get the right qualifications then get into med school... I just can't handle study stress and dept stress now
Also selfish thought.. Even though we need doctors now more than ever I'd rather not Endanger my son... I'm also the only one he has if I die he ends up in an orphanage or worse with my family (they're abusive and toxic)... I would rather not get sick and die due to exposure in my work or get him sick and kill him so I'll stick to what I'm doing for now and when things get better (and I get stable income) I'll shoot my shot
I dont think it would be that bad given most geniuses and savants and autistic people are extremely blunt and straight forward... and often times people who are more emotional and sensitive tend to feel like people who are extremely blunt are simply "rude" or "assholes"... but thats not how they actually are... so I don't think it would be to bad to deal with house if you understood that he was just forward and blunt and processed things differently!!
Chase praying over the baby before he started the autopsy is a heartbreaking scene. Excellently written and acted!!
It was beautiful x
seeing the baby dead ripped my heart into pieces…. this was one of the saddest episodes for me
I feel like the writers knew they had to give Chase a redemption arc after having him kiss that kid
Please tell me I'm not the only one who teared up when Chase prayed over the baby??
God, no. That little prayer was heartbreaking.
@@wobby1268 Fucking weaklings.
@@ThunderTwat please don’t be a jerk about it.
@@crystalwagner5993 Telling people not to be jerks on TH-cam is like telling a corpse to stop being dead.
Yeah I'm sobbing now
It might be short but the biopsy scene is phenomenal imo, Chase's actor nailed it the performance.
It's from the Funeral Mass for Infants.
House is the living embodiment of "he's out of line, but he's right"
You should do a compilation of house saying insane stuff while walking into cuddys office.. examples:
“I need to give shrooms to a 14 year old”
“The patient will live if I infect him with another disease”
“Need to cut off a guys head”
These aren’t exactly right they’re from memory but you get the idea
Seconded!
My favorite "I need you to sleep with Wilson"
"I need a Bonesaw"
"I want to perform an autopsy to a living person" it's not the exact phrase, but that request definitely happened.
YOU CANT STOP OUR LOVE c:
“People don’t get crazy enough to kill someone without first being crazy enough for someone to notice”
Very true! 💯
Exactly why when I see parents of school shooters say they had no clue I side eye
@@katiebayliss9887 This logic is also for people that are suicidal unfortunately when it happens everyone wants to run around and wonder why it happened but like house said it also applies to if people do it themselves people don’t get crazy enough to hurt themselves without first being crazy enough for somebody to notice people just don’t do anything about it until it’s too late and I don’t care about it until it’s too late
@@justcallmegoth1279 Suicidal people tend to have this habit when they've decided to end it that they cheer up knowing an ending to their suffering. Makes unexperienced people think they're ok now and stop worrying about them, making openings that weren't there before.
@@TheVercci
Actually that’s exactly why you should be suspicious of that. If you notice a drastic change, chances are something isn’t quite right. And still, you don’t have to be experienced to know that some people’s depression and suicidal thoughts and tendencies can leak through their dialogue, actions, voice and facial changes. It’s really not as hard to notice as people make it seem. A lot of people just choose to ignore the signs, because that’s more convenient for them and easier overall.
@@TheVercci until the view from half way down
House was totally right reaming into the husband. So much could have been prevented if he just didn’t pick up.
Actually...all that the husband's sobriety might have accomplished is him running interference with the mother's depression. In fact, it might have gone undiagnosed for even longer and he couldn't be there ALL the time to 'catch' her in her weak moments. Yes...the husband should be sober, but his sobriety does NOTHING to address the celiac disease and the secondary mental health issues with psychoses that resulted.
@@victorpradha9946 The major problem was the fact he wasn't around and kept ignoring his wife. The semantic argument of it may be making things worse if he was around is vastly overshadowed by all the points House made. She had no support pillars, no one to turn to. I can make a similar argument that if he was sober maybe she could've mentioned pain from eating gluten products and he would've brought her to the doctor. Would that go just as I said it would? Probably not, but it is just as likely as nothing happening by changing a major factor in her depressive episode.
@@CrabLadius yes we get it women are always special angels and we should be there. Alcoholism rarely happens just because. Where’s your sympathy for what plights he might have had hmm?
@@billybobbobson3797 he ignored his wife’s severe PPD and left her alone with the baby to drink because he didn’t want to deal with it. It’s his fault the kid is dead because he refused to get his wife the help she needed when he knew not doing so would have horrible consequences.
He let his wife and child get sicker and sicker because he would rather be out drinking like the bum he is
@@billybobbobson3797 bold of you to assume anyone cares about a man's problems.
“When you see Mikey...tell him his dad says he’s sorry.”
Dang
He wasn't throwing shade, although it sounds like it. She'd already refused treatment and wanted to die. I think he was about to suggest trying to make amends between each other if she got the treatment, but stopped himself and just expressed his guilt/regret.
I think. That's what it sounds like anyway lol
@@Olkard I thought he would've proposed her to make another baby.
I love how House has tons of compassion but in a unique, blunt and brutal fashion.
He cares a lot for people
@@hennessygarciahgagreed. Be chooses to not show it because he thinks it makes him a better doctor. This is also why he didn't continue his methadone treatment, his pain made him a better doctor.
Such a tragic character.
@@mauz791 yep and I don’t know why people call him a psychopath or sociopath or narcissist because he’s not
@@hennessygarciahg i think he just pretends to be a sociopath when dealing with patients, trying to be as objective as possible. Though in the end, he's just a broken man and the best diagnostician.
@@mauz791 yep he just doesn’t want to get too close so that he can think logically and so that he won’t get hurt. I noticed that the people that he has open up to one way or another they’re gone in someway.
"You do not deserve to die."
"Maybe. But I don't want to live."
The scene at the end is so satisfying to me. It’s all so tragic but something about the way the husband has not only accepted his role in what happened but accepted that it’s his wife’s own choice to keep living or not. It shows some growth that he doesn’t argue with her decision out of a sense of guilt or a desire to not be alone. He doesn’t want her to die but he doesn’t want to force her to keep living with what happened.
Agreed 100%. It kind of shows what House said actually broke him, forced him out of his defensiveness and denial and made him try to be better person even if it was too late. It's sad but many addicts have to hit rock bottom before they can change.
@@DavidWilson-mi3uk Too bad at that rate he'll drink himself to death if he doesn't hang himself before that. 3 for 1, but at least he solved the puzzle and got Foreman back.
funny how the husband's "growth" conveniently lets him still not have to actually do anything.
there's a lot of stress when you become a new mom, especially when you have no support at home, I was always asked how I was feeling by the doctors when I brought my daughter for check ups and knowing that I used to have some depression I applied to be seen to a therapist until he said I was fine, I was lucky I had support of my family or else I don't know how I would have manage all alone as a single mother if I lived by myself, sleepless nights and not knowing what the hell I was doing, i was constantly scared I might develop postpartum and the doctor told me if I ever felt like hurting myself or the baby, I would have to be admitted, luckily I didnt, it really takes a village to raise a kid.
I'm a disabled mom. All I've ever wanted in life was to be a mom and without my sisters and parents and my very very supportive hetero lifepartner, that dream would have never been realized. I owe my village so much, all of my happiness. ❤️ but when my daughter was born and then I got really sick, my mom had me terrified that because of my cognitive and neurological difficulties that one day someone would send CPS to my door and take my daughter. Fortunately that never happened but I was legitimately scared of it. Then I got really sick and became a chronic illness patient too. My family has really come through for me time and time again and I always am happy for the chances I get to do the same for them even if it's something mundane like free babysitting
Probably my fav quote of the entire show came from this episode.
“I know a person doesn’t get crazy enough to kill someone without being crazy enough for someone to notice.”
I repeat this all time these days- especially when it comes to mass shootings. I’m not saying mental illness means we need to excuse or forgive people that do terrible things, of course not. If you have capacity, you’re responsible for your actions. However, I firmly believe that 98% of people that do terrible things to either themselves or others, they show clear signs beforehand. It’s just nobody wants to believe how serious those signs and symptoms are, and don’t want to take responsibility for the idea that they possibly could have intervened and maybe prevented a tragedy.
I had a manic episode right after giving birth. I heard voices and sounds. They were so real. So real. I can never forget them, so vivid in my mind. It's scary. I constantly question what's really real now.
Recovering meth addict here. I can empathize with the voices and disconnect between what's real and what isn't anymore. The voices are so tangible that it warps your entire perspective of being alive. It's like people living inside your head with you and your every thought and emotion invokes criticism and blatant awareness of it, even your sub-conscious thoughts... I am sorry you have to go through that. I at least deserve it. You do not.
@@madezra64 you don't deserve it either. Even if it was caused by the drugs. Being an addict doesn't mean that you deserve everything bad that happens to you caused by the drugs.
You have to recognise that you are responsible for your addiction and how you manage it, but being responsible has nothing to do with deserving to be punished that way
I’m really sorry to ask, but what exactly did the voices say to you?
@@madezra64 you don't deserve it. I'm so glad you're recovering. I'm here if you need anything
I have celiac disease! It was refreshing to see people treating it like a medical problem and not just a diet or something in your head that we overreact about.
Same! It was so weird hearing it be talked about and it being treated as an actual disease!
Exactly!! I dont have celiacs but i have a very extreme gluten sensitivity where i have all the same symptoms of celiac the bloating, redness of eyes, sickness vitamine deficiency and its very refreshing to see it treated as a real issue and not a joke. Way too many people treat food sensativaties as a joke
Celiac disease, currently is in 1.6% in Americans (don't know where you're from). It's a real medical problem, but it is unfortunately absorbed into bogus health trends and used by folks who "self-diagnose". My sister is one of those people.
I found out I've had it for the past three years and didn't know for the first year, and seeing an episode that shows it as a disease instead of a trend is . . . a blessing.
It can be a lifestyle for people, if they want it. But for those with Celiac, like us, we never got that choice. We have to rearrange everything for the rest of our lives so we're not in constant pain, and we still risk cancer and more.
This episode really was refreshing to me.
Diagnosed with celiacs six months ago and I'm glad I had forgotten about this episode while I was still wrapping my head around everything! Now it just feels like a relief to see it portrayed as a "real" medical condition. My family is very supportive but I feel like most of them don't fully realize just how serious it is and how careful I have to be. It helps that I've got a couple of diabetics and several folks with severe food allergies on one side but I didn't fully grasp their struggles until my diagnosis.
My mother had post-partum psychosis, she told me she was crying as she thought she could be unnable to raise me and lot more of negative thoughts were going in her. But 3 days later she was gently giving me a head pat and I as baby smiled and laughed trying to pat her cheecks. Then my mother started to cry again with happiness saying "I love you Rubén, my beutiful and precius child". This quote was from my father who watched this:
"You maybe were the cause from your mother depresion in those days but only few days later you also saved her from that".
House tries to act like he doesn't care about the patients when he really does. This is a perfect example of it.
Tells Chase to get over the baby dying and do his job: 0:11
Tells Foreman to try to "go in there and tell her every day is a blessing, so what you killed your baby, shake it off, at least you're still alive!"
7:46
Example of why people who says like revenge is bad or better to move on are stupid
You can say it's really not the husband's fault this happened because he's not the one that made her sick and go insane, but House wasn't wrong about him. He did ignore his wife when he didn't wanna deal with her on bad days and went out for a drink instead, and that's why House was ripping him apart. If he'd stayed with her, he might have been able to stop this
I doubt we are watching the same thing yo 🤣
He's a deadbeat- he left her when she needed him the most while getting drunk frequently. He would have noticed her Postpartum sooner & Mikey...
How’s he a deadbeat for working and providing financial support ?
Reality of the matter is this, even if he noticed it unless he knows what the illness is he wouldn’t know how to diagnose it himself r even look for the symptoms.
Trying to shift blame on him is just silly.
@@masterDarts4188 so what did going out to drink provides the family for
@@masterDarts4188??? Who said he had to diagnose her, or even look for more symptoms, if he noticed there was a problem he could’ve gotten her to a doctor, diagnosis is their job, and he the chances are he almost definitely noticed and ignored it or didn’t care
@@itsjustvin7630 he has his own life too you fool..... should he put a halt to his own lofe to act as a nurse for her the rest of his life.....he should have divorced her outright.....
"When you see Mikey tell him his dad is sorry" did... did he just tell her to die?
She had already made her decision that she didn’t want to do treatment, she wanted to die, hubby just didn’t stop her.
i believe she had hallucinations
one of which was her son
he blamed it all the harm she caused on her, but right now he's accepting it and that he's at fault too for ignoring her issues
hence "tell him his dad is sorry"
Think it's more the start of his acceptance of what happened and why. Still hurts though.
@@mrroboshadow Pretty sure she was already past the hallucination phase at this point of the episode.
@@megahellreaper eh its been a while since i last saw the full episode so you may be right
second half of my comment still stands though
This reminds me of something that Dr. Adam Kay wrote in ‘this is going to hurt’, when he had to take tissue samples from a dead baby:
‘I dress him again, look up to a God I don’t believe in and say, ‘Look after him.’ ‘
❤
I have to say, when I saw this on TV the first time, I was blown away. I never would fathom any show would take on parents actively killing their children with their own hands. The shock was off the charts. House M.D. broke the mold.
This actress deserved an Emmy for this performance.
That prayer is so heartbreaking...
It’s from the Catholic funeral mass for the burial of infants.
@@JewelBlueIbanez was the baby baptised? In the catholic religion only baptised babes are allowed into heaven.
@@SevCaswell nope that was a concept before but now debunked. I believe it was early 2000's.
@@SevCaswell No one is 'allowed into' Heaven. Good has elected all, and you only have to accept it to join eternity; the destiny of unbaptised children has not been revealed to the Church, and Her prayer for dead infants is founded on the hope of universal Love and a humble acceptation of ignorance. Please baptise your kids as soon as possible.
@@SevCaswell So if a family hasn't baptized an infant and the infant dies it goes where, to hell? That's absurd. The child doesn't have the intelligence to make a choice. Even if it's an older child raised in a non religious family theyre still too young to understand religion or God. It's called the age of accountability. Even if you weren't baptized or arent religious. Because they dont have the mental capacity to understand or comprehend it yet. So why wouldnt God give mercy? Catholicism is way too extreme and takes way too many things out of context. Which considering it's history I guess not much has changed
I cried when chase prayed for the child 😭❤️
House is right when he says 'said like a real sane person' when it comes her mentioning that she should just have not listened to the voices. Cuz yeah, insanity makes people act in ways that are highly unpredictable.
"We'd all slowly starve to death in our own filth, but at least we'd be happy"
_Miranda_
Serenity reference?
Wow, the ending was so freaking raw
No joke. The absolute agony of both those characters and the father's last line is unbelievably potent
@@alexzander7629
There's clearly a lot of good stuff on this show... but I don't think I can watch it. It's very painful.
@@UTU49 its extremely painful but it TRULY is worth it. It's a masterpiece that deserves to be seen trust me
What I wanted was for the husband to walk over, take her hand and say, please don't die. What he said instead was devastating. Man this show.
He did want her to die, lol.
@@snafuet I'm aware. But he had a chance to forgive her at the end, truly forgive her, and he did not. It's sad
@@lle.5583 that's true. :(
@@lle.5583 i mean… i understand how he felt, he still shouldnt have said that but he had just lost his son, his baby boy. and the reason he lost him was because of that woman. i know it was tough for the mom but i wouldnt be able to look at someone who killed my sweet baby.
Yeah- marriages where there is the death of a child often end, even if neither parent is at fault. The people claiming its the husbands fault are probably saints who of course could forgive their spouse if he or she was directly responsible, an/or all therapists who would know how to deal with somebody suffering a psychotic break.
I really think they should make a followup movie about House years later
I think they should leave House ambigious, but we see how Chase is doing. I'm better off not knowing what he did while he and Wilson rode off on motorcycles.
@@antithoughtpolice7497 it’s just fam service at the moment
Totally agree! That would be amazing.
It'd be redundant, just like El Camino.
@@WaterandFlamesPlay On second thought, you're right. Chase on the other hand
me, a coeliac, discovering all the fun ways being a coeliac can be problematic whilst watching this
yikes, hope you got the right treatment
@@andhikasoehalim3170 haha yes i did, do not worry, the treatment is never to eat gluten again
right??? christ, i love knowing about my future if i don't stick to my treatment
House is a great show, but probably not a good source of medical information, as he has to see the most extreme and unusual presentations every week for dramatic purposes. Definitely not saying to neglect your treatment, of course, but maybe rely more on other valid sources for info on things like probability and severity of complications.
@@michaelccozens also the vast majority of doctors don't almost kill their patients half a dozen times during the course of diagnosis and treatment only to save them dramatically at the last minute with some epiphany about what is going on.
they test basically every psych patient for celiac here in ireland, do they not do that in america? it's a simple blood test.
No idea but this is a dramatized tv show so it’s not gonna be accurate anyway.
The US healthcare system is a dumpsterfire, I’d reckon someone would get charged 1 grand per test
Here in Arkansas, I saw a child go through 2 yrs of doctors, specialist, er visits and never checked. It wasn't until child services were called on the mother and case worker was gathering info on everyone. The case worker called up my mother( we are friends of the family) my mother begged her to get the child tested. It came back positive and the child had to have surgery because of how much damage was done. Child was only 6 yrs old. Our health care system doesn't prevent diseases, it only treats them.
Not necessarily. I know two (recent) separate people who were missed for coeliac here in Ireland until their mid-20s despite showing the classic symptoms- both were sent to dieticians in one of Ireland main hospitals for years without being spotted. One of them had to beg for a scope as an adult which finally confirmed both coeliac and a serious intolerance to lactose. Both were considered to be just 'fussy' and given a presumed diagnosis of IBS and sent away until they went as adults elsewhere privately 🤷♀️ I know another who went through the same, she later was hospitalised as an adult with Crohns.
@@chaoskittenxo huh that's weird, maybe they just check psych patients regularly? i was tested both when i was put on meds first and also when i was admitted to a psych hospital. it's a simple blood test it sucks that it gets missed at all, and sucks even more that ppl have to fight with doctors over it.
"OK... How about trading for a beer." LMAO! I'm going to order this series.
Was moving to see Chase pray over the baby. I wouldn't wish that over anyone. Postpartum is very real.
Yep an amazing get out of jail card for women.
@@danjoaquin1571 what the hell is wrong with you
I was in school and hostel.
Age 16/17.
When I ate gluten my body reacted as if it was an allergic reactions, followed with the body trying to get rid of the food.
After one of those long nights with almost no sleep, I went to the doctor.
The doctor suggested to gut out gluten.
I was better immediately 😃.
I went on a strict diet for about 8 years, gluten can take 2 years to get out of your body.
I started eating gluten products by accident at first and realised that I am fine.
I have been living normally for several years.
Sadly the research is limited in this field and most products, even if they say gluten free, are simply not.
If you don't bake it yourself, assume it contains gluten.
Packaging labels don't require gluten to be shown, can't eat a candy bar since gluten is used between the wrapper and bar, not listed on label.
Yeah it sucks man, I have celiac disease myself, I miss ramen noodles D:
Wait so you were accidentally exposes to gluten after 8 years but your body didn’t react negatively? What happened? Or is that normal for celiacs?
@@surrealb7214 I’m guessing they probably just have gluten intolerance not actual celiac disease
If you have celiac you will always get ill from gluten!
You need to get blood work and a scope/biopsy to confirm celiac but a lot of people don’t get that and when they are told they can’t have gluten they just assume they have celiac ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have severe celiac disease and I have a cousin who just is gluten intolerant
If I eat any gluten I get very very ill but my cousin can eat small amounts of gluten without getting ill
I had celiac disease , I even had a pre cancerous growth in my lower intestine . I went on a strict diet for 10 years and I was on heavy medicated . I can eat gluten for the most part now though without reacting(ofc I usually choose not to , I don't wanna tempt fate )
Very interesting! Allergies are abfi kle thing. Perhaps your histamines were so devoid of gluten contact, it simply no longer registered gluten as hostile. This allowing you to reintroduce it as a regular non invasive substance.
"If we were all just satisfied with what we had, what a beautiful world it would be! We'd all slowly starve to death in our own filth, but at least we'd be happy!"
Truth bombs like this are what I love about early House.
Someone once commented that shows like this are so popular because it creates the fantasy that medical professionals actually care and spend time thinking about a patient. I'm in the U.S. you get 30 minutes for a full medical history and initial visit. Good luck paying your thousands in bills.
My docs are fantastic and spend as much time as I need. If I can’t pay for something, I get a discount and a payment plan. You should try to find different docs.
@@aprilleerose That can be really dependent on where you live. Especially out in the country, you might not have many options.
How long do you want your visit to be? 3 hours?
@@chiravuris depending on your condition, that might be necessary.
@@thaliakittycake8496 Then you should bring this up with your insurance company. People don't realize it, but everything is controlled by them. Doctors can bill your visit as per how much insurance companies will reimburse.
I like that House didn’t immediately lay into the dad; he only did so once the dude provoked him to. House isn’t heartless and he often gives people a chance to make the right decisions for themselves before he drops the truth bombs they need to hear.
I once read that a difficult miscarriage, or the death of baby or toddler, always ruins a partnership. A child dying that isn't the first, is a family trauma and workable. The first child dying, makes a family [Almost] impossible.
EDIT: I mean this in the same statistic that less than 1 in 10 000 highschool sweethearts end up growing old together. In no way is it mandated that such a relationship is doomed to fail, good fortune unto those who do not, but it's rare.
These days, Id say thats the case. Though in the past, the first child (or even all of them) dieing was often just par for the course.
Thats not true in all cases. My fiance and I had a son (first born) who was born via emergency c section at 25 weeks and never got to leave the hospital. He spent 6 months in the nicu before he died. It was devastating, to say the least, and it did cause huge issues within our relationship. Those issues only stemmed from the fact that we were both grieving and were alone with no support from any kind of medical professional so we lashed out at each other. Since that happened back in 2016 we have had 4 miscarriages which was also horrible but nothing like the pain of losing our first born. The last miscarriage was actually incomplete for almost 3 weeks and i was borderline septic. The surgeon at the hospital here refused to do a d&c so the ER doctors didnt have a choice but to send me home with several different kinds of antibiotics so i hopefully didnt end up back full blown septic.
It actually took us all these years to finally find the peace and forgiveness that we didn't know we needed to be able to move on. Today, our relationship is thriving, stronger than ever, and I'm 19 weeks pregnant 😊 We are expecting a little girl this time and thankfully have a team of high risk doctors monitoring us very closely. We know that something could still happen but it's not going to be able to tear us away from each other.
For most partnerships, I can agree with you. Just wanted to point out that it doesn't apply to everyone.
@@Rachel-tz2ls wishing you success this time around. It’s amazing you made it through.
@Sophia Degand Ye I redact my previous statement, I have no idea why I was talking in absolutes: It's very unbecoming of me. I was most likely on a mental train of thought and failed to express the entire journey.
@@Rachel-tz2ls How did it go?
I absolutely love how even in the most intense and emotional scenes, House never sheds a tear or gives it a single loving thought, this character was one of the best tv doctors ever, god I fucking love this show
3:48 - this part is just so powerful and touching 🥺Chase is my favorite.
A TV episode in the 2000s specifically pointing the figner at the father not helping. Small joys in life.
Agreed, it was not her fault, it was the negligent medical staff that left an infant in the unsupervised care of a medically compromised mother.
thank god somebody said it. it's the father's fault she got that bad but it's definitely the hospital's fault she had the opportunity to try again.
@@dietotakuYeah I’m getting tired of idiots siding with the dad. Like parenting a new born without support is just something a new mom should be expected to do. I don’t know I would hope that your partner would care that you’re sick and try to help instead of letting it get out of hand and then blaming you for being sick in the first place. But so many people have never experienced mental illness so what can I expect right?
this episode was heart breaking and also is too close to home for some, there need to be more info on post natal depression and some need stop worry about what others think, because this is what can happen.
Yeah we need to stop shaming mothers and help them. It’s just pathetic that we have this idea of a perfect mother and the very thought that a woman would need help is just scoffed at.
“ you do not deserve to die”
“Maybe. But I don’t want to live”
With the chin quivering it seemed so real
This episode had so many triggers for me. When I first watched it I had just had a baby and the scene with him in the bathtub freaked me right out. I never had a bath with him and for the longest time made sure the baby bath water wasn't high enough to drown him.
My partner is a coeliac as well so it was a whole other thing to get him tested.
My sister in law had her baby as well and she was showing all the hallmarks of PPD. We made sure she got as much support she could.
House was particularly savage on this one
Loved the fact that Chase prayed before the biopsy ❤️
I didn't cry at Chase praying over the baby and apologizing. You cried, not me!
new father here of an absolutely adorable son- this is almost impossible to watch because it seems like living the worst possible horror movie
He was saying the same thing about his wife and she was spiraling out of control and he knew it. She would have done better to walk away. It is a lot better than what happened with the baby. SMH
To this day, one of my favorite episodes. It really nails so many different traumas. Brutal.
I have just discovered this show.
Now I feel sad that I didn't see this the first time around
oh yeah, House M.D. was a great show. recommend buying the box set if you can
Negligence by the hospital staff is what caused the death of the baby. They were wrong to leave a recently NICU discharged infant in the UNSUPERVISED hands of a medically ill mother. The mom was the proximate cause of the infant's demise but the hospital staff was negligent to leave the baby in her care without proper supervision. The dad is a negligent husband and father.
they didn't know she was insane do to issues.
@@majormana1 but they know about post partum which is severely high in most mother's after birth and they should've known to have the mother and child on frequent check ups.
@@cobyparty so by that logic every woman who ever gives birth should be treated as though she is about to smother her baby? I don't disagree necessarily, statistically speaking the most dangerous thing to an infant is it's own mother. But I'm just saying...I'm pretty sure you do that enough times you are going to get sued.
Only mothers with mental health issues will be observed. That's the protocol. Medically I'll doesn't come in that category.
New mothers would freak out if a staff member is always with her and for how long?
Babies need socialization with their mother to develop properly emotionally, and some mothers go crazier when kept too far from them... it's a lose, lose situation. What they SHOULD of done is have her monitored by a nurse or patient sitter considering she's under House's care AND having a baby. But they get spread too thin, I know because I was a sitter. If they hadn't ruled out Foreman's psyche theory, she probably could of gotten one, but too little too late.
moments like this show how much House cared.
House: The Sociopath that cares.
The high-functioning sociopath
Actually, House isn't a sociopath.
@@EclecticallyEccentric no, he just pretends to be one.
House isn't a sociopath. He's a cynic, which I've heard described as "an idealist who's been hurt too many times."
I’m pretty sure he just has Asperger syndrome, I see myself in him a lot
"Don't let it change you" my mom after my first $200 check in high school🤣
Every episode of House taste like a moral if not philosophy lession.
I like how House works for what's right, and confronts the father without filter
I think the ultimate antagonist in this episode was alcohol. It ruined that family. Saddest, monst nihilistic episode of House, and that's a high bar.
Just like Alcohol does everyday to people in real life. Its a bad addiction, I myself drink every so often. But I don't let it become a habit.
"No you can't. Not anymore."
Yeah, the husband may not have directly hurt his wife but him ignoring her or leaving her alone when she was hurting helped with nothing
House told it like it is,like he always does.
I get chase in this episode. It's painful to see a patient you admitted and managed die. Especially if they walked in with their two legs!
Oh Chase.... Your such a darling... Such a kindheart
*You're
My daughter is Coeliac, once we started weaning her, her health just went downhill so fast. Nobody would listen to me. NOBODY. My daughters birthweight was 6lb 13oz. At one year old she weighed 5lb exact. My paediatrician told me I was a fussy mother. I cannot begin to tell you how bad those months were, nobody listening, my husband lost his job because he had so much time off to help me deal with Megs, no money to pay for nappies or food or bills. We ended up removing my daughter from local hospital, my father drove us to Great Ormand Street Hospital. At one year old she was taken into the NICU...she was so dehydrated from the violent diarrhea (later I was told it was so bad it was classed as steatorrhoea
) they only place the could put a drip, was in a vein in her head. The consultant came to see me and my husband. He was so harsh, why hadn't we taken our daughter to the doctor sooner? I did..of course I did, no mother is going watch her child die in front of her. ProCoeliac
oh jesus i really hope your daughter is better i also recently got diagnosed and it’s crazy back to when my health was at its worse i was extremely depressed and was in so much pain all the time to the point where it nearly killed me coeliacs is no joke
@@shrug_s8423 Bless you thank you! She is doing extremely well, she's 29 and is currently taking a year sabbatical in Australia from her Masters degree course in psychology. Not only am I proud of her for that, I'm also proud to say that since she was old enough to make a choice she has engaged in medical trials of all sorts regarding Coeliac disease. She's even doing some out in Auz, and some of them are very invasive. I hope you continue to feel better! Much love xx
@@MsTJPink wow!!! congratulations to her she’s doing amazing woah
For me its the 'When you see Mikey'. He knows what's going to happen, and he wants to make amends when the damage is already done. As much as people will say that's a bad mindset, someone dying really is damage that can't be reversed, so him trying is just heartbreaking to me.
As someone with Celiac this episode was really terrifying.
Dude same
I hope House won an Award for all is amazing acting 🏆🎬
“If you get treatment we could-“ ha. I’m going off of what House said about him, and he’s right. She showed signs he just neglected them and her. He needs treatment too, therapy, medication, a divorce!
This was one my absolutely favourite episodes.
Chase did the most emotional and spiritual thing ever, praying before going forward with the biopsy on the baby was priceless! Well done young man, well done.
Most important thing I ever heard at an AA meeting: "If I'm a drunken horse thief and I quit drinking, I still need to figure out how to quit stealing horses."
His face at 6:44 is pure empathy
Another good example is when a suicidal college student told him she had never been happy
This was one of saddest, hardest episodes in my opinion. It wasn’t even a long case, this was one of the more simple ones, but it made me cry more than any of the other ones have.
0:15 Wow! Well i learned something new today!😯 At first i assumed it was just the Aussie accent and it sounded similar to Polystyrene but no, Polystyrene is actually used in a medication to treat high potassium! 🤯
I FINNALY GOT MY SELF TO START WATCHING THE ACTAUL SHOW! Also it’s on prime video too for anyone interested
Thank you
Thanx👼👼
House is so awesome the way he manipulates his team/people to feel better.
This makes me wanna watch House. 🙂 He's such a savage while being brutally honest and compasionate at the same time.
When I saw the dad holding his dead baby, if that was me, I couldn't ever let my baby go. I know I'd have to eventually, but every second I can have with my baby boy, I'd savour. Remembering every precious moment.
Am i the only one who thinks husband and wife really look alike?
Lol they do
👁👄👁
Sweet Home Alabama.
YES %100. This was on my mind from the first time I say the episode.
House would be that kind of detective that criminals would say "wtf is wrong with you?" When he was confronting them
It's amazing when you see house express genuine emotion. Not even house is immune to the sadness that comes with a baby passing away
I don't get how resigned House was in the end. Logical, but inconsistent with House convincing other previous coherent patients refusing treatment even when the puzzle was solved.
Because he knows what it's like to live every day in pain
Also there is no recovery for her, physically yes but mentally? She’s destroyed. Her baby is dead and she killed him no amount of therapy or medication will ever change that
During the autopsy chase be all like "hmmm yes this baby appears to be dead 🤔"
This episode broke me I swear 💔