My only concern is that the game is supposed to reach 80+ years of tank development but even after all this time the max is still two years in. Makes me curious about the timeline of game updates / development.
Honestly I suspect something similar to uad's campaign system where you can pick the starting years. Also, I mean you're supposed to have 80 years of tank development across multiple nations, it's understandable its taking a while
You need to plan ahead more. Don't wait until you need materials to build tanks to order the needed materials. Don't wait for a contract to be announced to design/engineer improved tanks (you could have already had a better tank design for the German contract for example). Also note that you are paying ALL your employees whether they are working on something or not...
I assume big part of the game will be to anticipate demand and scale workforce as needed. Big wars will definitely have more demand and while most of the world is in peace you'll need to survive with the contracts of smaller conflicts. This game reminds me a lot of Detroid (a car tycoon game from the 90s). There you also had to scale the workforce depending how the economy was doing. Sometimes I had thousands of cars in storage and got thru the rought years just by selling those with no production at all. Always had a lot R&D going however. I was also hoping the proving grounds would be like the car tests in Detroit. The test drive thing seems a bit silly to me.
Tsar Tank was a real russian project. Not of a tank, but of something similar. There was also a small development project for tracked "Vezdehod"(ie All Terrain) armored vehicle, but it also led nowhere. Those are sadly mistaken for the only attempts of Russian Empire to develop a tank. Meanwhile they had actually produced and used tanks in combat. Wheeled tanks that is. Garford-Putilov armored trucks. 11tons, 9-13mm steel armor plating, 76mm gun in rotating turret, 3 Maxim HMGs, 9 men crew, including 2 drivers(it was supposed to drive "forward" out of combat and "backwards" in combat so that the enemy would engage the turret and angled rear armor, while the thing could easily retreat). Produced almost 50 of those. There were also other types of armored cars. Halftrack ones, ones armed with 40mm Pom Pom autocannon in a turret, full wheel drive ones and so on. I have a feeling that the game will ignore their existence because despite Garford-Putilov having better armor and armamanets then most heavy tanks of the period, wheels make most people foam from their mouths. Same people, who call IFVs and SPGs tanks just because they're tracked😂
30:30 - My guess is they want a tank using the Mark V hull here, but maybe planning ahead and adding RHA sponsons, the War Horse tracks, and a better engine would be enough.
17:36 - The Twin Engine, the improved petrol, and the Hotchkiss 1909 MG give upgrades to the Whippet. All three can actually be used on the rhomboid hulls as well. The Hotchkiss 1909 itself has better stats than the Lewis, and then several improved MG mods unlock with it. Now, in the previous alpha, you could get a better MG by reverse engineering the first French tank, and save the research time that way, but you can't do that in this case.
Given how close you tend to hang with contracts, you might want to consider stockpiling tanks in case of contracts, not wait and be forced into a time crunch trying to get all the tanks out in such little time.
absolutely loving this series :) I'm not gonna sit here and back seat and say do this or that, the fun with these Tycoon games is watching you go your own route and make mistakes etc
Yep. And it is sadly mistaken for the only attempt of Russian Empire to develop a tank. Meanwhile they had actually produced and used tanks in combat. Wheeled tanks that is. Garford-Putilov armored trucks. 11tons, 9-13mm steel armor plating, 76mm gun in rotating turret, 3 Maxim HMGs, 9 men crew, including 2 drivers(it was supposed to drive "forward" out of combat and "backwards" in combat so that the enemy would engage the turret and angled rear armor, while the thing could easily retreat).
the mention of the tsar tank cracked me up, that thing was so abysmal the mere mention of it makes me laugh. if you dont know what it is go google it and look up a picture of someone standing next to it for scale, you'll laugh too. the photo of one on its side after breaking down during testing is also a good laugh.
Yeah irl spaced armor ,composid armor and spall liner helps with that A example would be that t34s had very hard armor that was brittle .Even non pen hits would kill the crew
i hope this game also lets you play as other nations one day, imagine designing jungle light tanks and amtracs for japan, or heavy tanks for russia, or cheap desert tanks for italy
18:25 i actually remember seeing pictures of that, i think it was an actual thing and its literally 2 giant wheels with a tail part that has 2 normal sized wheels
I think (and this is a total guess) that "shock penetration" is just spalling. That's a known phenomenon, it's why you can shoot HE/Common at an armored target and still expect to do some internal damage. I could be totally wrong, but it seems at least reasonable.
Ok, so don't know much about tanks eh? well pro tip, the HEAVY tank, with the BIG gun is the "Breakthrough" tank that Punches a hole in the enemy's line.. IE: the German Tiger Tank. The light tanks, like the Pz 2 and 3 are to "exploit" the breakthrough.
Stealth17: *Looking for a tank commander* Stealthy Tank Commander appeared at (8:40), tinder swiped away for gunners instead of assigning into role. Lmao That slippery commander made me "No, no, no, don't click that man away! Wait, wait, wait! (Tactical Facepalm)
Gotta say i haven't ever seen you be this blind before. The commander is in slot number 2. You don't need a loader, and instead of taking the long order for resources only when you need them is bad, because you could instead build up some stock and sell mpre tanks to the british in the contract menu. You can change the amout to sell more than they need and most of the time they accept up to 6 tanks extra. Above is about 40% yes 60% no, if they are more expensive than desired
You need more people to both assemble the tanks and do research as it seems you are falling behind. Also, I do not think that you have to accept every contract as you will probably be presented with contracts like the last one that are simply not feasible.
that last contract seemed pretty easily doable with enough foresight (more guys hired to speed things up, resources purchased in advance, stuff designed in advance, etc.) - very much feasible
@@Stealth17Gaming More money only if you can fulfill them. The penalties are quite harsh, or at least they were in the demo when I tried that one :) This is also how I think it should be. I hope it will be important to choose the contracts that are profitable to you and sometimes you'll just have to skip others.
the british governemt: we need a better tank... stealth: best i can do is a slightly unarmored tank 3x the time, for 1/2 the tanks, at 1/2 the price... the other guys: reasonable offers... the british government did you say 1/4 the cost...
The game seems interesting in concept. But I feel it'll get a bit samey after a while. The tycoon system is good enough for a beta. The problem is the tank builder. The devs don't seem to advertise creating your own cursed creations with the parts. A pz4 with a churchill hull, or a sherman with a KV-2 turret. If your only able to stick parts together that "should fit together" a tank tycoon game just sort of loses it's luster. More of a "Yaay i just sold a slightly modified T-34 to the soviets for the 50th time"
@@danielm.595 still, might get samey after a while. It won't really fe like your selling and designing your own tank if it just looks like another abrams.
I'd recomend you remove the trailing wagon wheels off of all your tanks. IRL they were only ever fitted on the first prototype british tanks and the mark 1. That Medium tank (whippet) hull never even had them, they were abandoned YEARS before it was designed because the mark one proved them to be absolutely useless! The assembly was called a "Steering tail" they wern't ever intended for improving trench crossing, they were an early attempt at tank steering that DIDN'T WORK. Also, given in this game they're modled in the raised transport position they wouldn't even work as badly as they did irl, they're literally just dead weight on the back of the tank.
Whatever happened to that Carrier task force game you said had a better AI than UAD? Is it just not out yet, or are you not going to play? Looked super amazing.
Why are there loading screens when switching between "spreadsheets with background pictures"? I understand a loading screen when going to eg a full 3D test track. But how the hell do a handful of spreadsheets with buttons not fit into several GB of RAM in 2023? The far more complex automotive company simulator "GearCity" has far fewer loading screens for the standard player activities...
Gah, its driving me nutz that your waiting on contracts to build tanks.... Just go ahead and build the tanks so you have them ready for the contract!!!
@@jaywerner8415 Right? Kinda sad if it has to go. But quite understandable if it is what the dev choose. Tho it is not certain yet. Since it still Beta afterall.
In this game, you reverse engineer all the different components of tanks you receive. While you could choose to build an exact copy, that would be very unusual. Instead what you do is use components you like in your own tanks. For example, put a German MG in a Whippet tank. Or go deeper than that. Maybe the French have a less labor intensive riveting process that you can copy. You could take some British components and put them in a French cannon, or put French components into a British cannon. After a while you have your favorite components from all of the different countries.
Hot take, I guess; I don't blame you really for missing the crew slot assignments on your Whippet prototype. I feel like this is more of a UX failure than human error. If nothing else, they could have made the first crew slot *exclusive* to the commander. After all, that is first on the list of crew requirements and it is a natural assumption to assign a commander first.
My only concern is that the game is supposed to reach 80+ years of tank development but even after all this time the max is still two years in. Makes me curious about the timeline of game updates / development.
It will probably timeskip to the next relevant date, like this:
1914-16
1938-4?
Etc
Honestly I suspect something similar to uad's campaign system where you can pick the starting years. Also, I mean you're supposed to have 80 years of tank development across multiple nations, it's understandable its taking a while
Can they develop the game faster than tank technology develops?
@@herobrineharry7698asking the real questions
@ZaHandle Nah, they will just add $hit no one wants.. like sub's and mines. Then, perma ban anyone who comments about it.
You need to plan ahead more. Don't wait until you need materials to build tanks to order the needed materials. Don't wait for a contract to be announced to design/engineer improved tanks (you could have already had a better tank design for the German contract for example). Also note that you are paying ALL your employees whether they are working on something or not...
I assume big part of the game will be to anticipate demand and scale workforce as needed. Big wars will definitely have more demand and while most of the world is in peace you'll need to survive with the contracts of smaller conflicts.
This game reminds me a lot of Detroid (a car tycoon game from the 90s). There you also had to scale the workforce depending how the economy was doing. Sometimes I had thousands of cars in storage and got thru the rought years just by selling those with no production at all. Always had a lot R&D going however.
I was also hoping the proving grounds would be like the car tests in Detroit. The test drive thing seems a bit silly to me.
Tsar Tank was a real russian project. Not of a tank, but of something similar.
There was also a small development project for tracked "Vezdehod"(ie All Terrain) armored vehicle, but it also led nowhere.
Those are sadly mistaken for the only attempts of Russian Empire to develop a tank.
Meanwhile they had actually produced and used tanks in combat. Wheeled tanks that is. Garford-Putilov armored trucks. 11tons, 9-13mm steel armor plating, 76mm gun in rotating turret, 3 Maxim HMGs, 9 men crew, including 2 drivers(it was supposed to drive "forward" out of combat and "backwards" in combat so that the enemy would engage the turret and angled rear armor, while the thing could easily retreat). Produced almost 50 of those.
There were also other types of armored cars. Halftrack ones, ones armed with 40mm Pom Pom autocannon in a turret, full wheel drive ones and so on.
I have a feeling that the game will ignore their existence because despite Garford-Putilov having better armor and armamanets then most heavy tanks of the period, wheels make most people foam from their mouths. Same people, who call IFVs and SPGs tanks just because they're tracked😂
30:30 - My guess is they want a tank using the Mark V hull here, but maybe planning ahead and adding RHA sponsons, the War Horse tracks, and a better engine would be enough.
17:36 - The Twin Engine, the improved petrol, and the Hotchkiss 1909 MG give upgrades to the Whippet. All three can actually be used on the rhomboid hulls as well. The Hotchkiss 1909 itself has better stats than the Lewis, and then several improved MG mods unlock with it. Now, in the previous alpha, you could get a better MG by reverse engineering the first French tank, and save the research time that way, but you can't do that in this case.
12:57 - I can confirm that this is saying how much volume this component uses (no effect on the limit), so lower is better.
Given how close you tend to hang with contracts, you might want to consider stockpiling tanks in case of contracts, not wait and be forced into a time crunch trying to get all the tanks out in such little time.
absolutely loving this series :) I'm not gonna sit here and back seat and say do this or that, the fun with these Tycoon games is watching you go your own route and make mistakes etc
That's very refreshing. Thank you :)
IIRC, the best crew setup for the Whippet is:
Driver/Gunner
Commander/Gunner
Gunner/Mechanic
Gunner/Mechanic
The MGs don't need loaders.
the Tsar Tank was a real prototype tank actually
It was Stealth's irony, I guess.
Yep. And it is sadly mistaken for the only attempt of Russian Empire to develop a tank. Meanwhile they had actually produced and used tanks in combat. Wheeled tanks that is. Garford-Putilov armored trucks. 11tons, 9-13mm steel armor plating, 76mm gun in rotating turret, 3 Maxim HMGs, 9 men crew, including 2 drivers(it was supposed to drive "forward" out of combat and "backwards" in combat so that the enemy would engage the turret and angled rear armor, while the thing could easily retreat).
29:40 made me laugh indeed, especially as Flevoland didn't exist till the 1960's
Alternate history and so.
Those Dutch were simply faster then our irl Dutch.
the mention of the tsar tank cracked me up, that thing was so abysmal the mere mention of it makes me laugh. if you dont know what it is go google it and look up a picture of someone standing next to it for scale, you'll laugh too. the photo of one on its side after breaking down during testing is also a good laugh.
It was not abysmal? It was well engineered for the purpose
18:24 tsar tank reference, lol.
i think shockpen is more like spalling while kinnetic is the round itself getting through
Yeah irl spaced armor ,composid armor and spall liner helps with that
A example would be that t34s had very hard armor that was brittle .Even non pen hits would kill the crew
Tip: You can see which slot have which job for tank crew at the bottom of the portrait.
This version is much more challenging in terms of competition for contracts. Last time you were able to secure all contracts quite easily.
i hope this game also lets you play as other nations one day, imagine designing jungle light tanks and amtracs for japan, or heavy tanks for russia, or cheap desert tanks for italy
We'll see how much the scope explodes. There's lot of potential for all sorts of things
Enjoying this series especially with your commentary style.
I’m very much enjoying this series
18:25 i actually remember seeing pictures of that, i think it was an actual thing and its literally 2 giant wheels with a tail part that has 2 normal sized wheels
I think (and this is a total guess) that "shock penetration" is just spalling. That's a known phenomenon, it's why you can shoot HE/Common at an armored target and still expect to do some internal damage. I could be totally wrong, but it seems at least reasonable.
Ok, so don't know much about tanks eh? well pro tip, the HEAVY tank, with the BIG gun is the "Breakthrough" tank that Punches a hole in the enemy's line..
IE: the German Tiger Tank. The light tanks, like the Pz 2 and 3 are to "exploit" the breakthrough.
I ain't never been this early before, keep up the good work.
Stealth17: *Looking for a tank commander*
Stealthy Tank Commander appeared at (8:40), tinder swiped away for gunners instead of assigning into role. Lmao
That slippery commander made me "No, no, no, don't click that man away! Wait, wait, wait! (Tactical Facepalm)
Gotta say i haven't ever seen you be this blind before. The commander is in slot number 2. You don't need a loader, and instead of taking the long order for resources only when you need them is bad, because you could instead build up some stock and sell mpre tanks to the british in the contract menu. You can change the amout to sell more than they need and most of the time they accept up to 6 tanks extra. Above is about 40% yes 60% no, if they are more expensive than desired
Yes I completely missed it, sorry.
@Stealth17Gaming
No need to apologize to me I still love your vids👍
im really into this series, pls keep it up and keep the amazing work!
Thanks!
You need more people to both assemble the tanks and do research as it seems you are falling behind. Also, I do not think that you have to accept every contract as you will probably be presented with contracts like the last one that are simply not feasible.
True but more contracts = more money
that last contract seemed pretty easily doable with enough foresight (more guys hired to speed things up, resources purchased in advance, stuff designed in advance, etc.) - very much feasible
@@Stealth17Gaming More money only if you can fulfill them. The penalties are quite harsh, or at least they were in the demo when I tried that one :)
This is also how I think it should be. I hope it will be important to choose the contracts that are profitable to you and sometimes you'll just have to skip others.
Thanks for the video
8:39 The option for a commander is at the second crew slot.
Thanks for the video. I'm rather looking forward to this game.
who doesnt want more rear thickness?
as shermenator says in the mowas2 valour mod, ''VOOR NEDERLAND!''
the british governemt: we need a better tank... stealth: best i can do is a slightly unarmored tank 3x the time, for 1/2 the tanks, at 1/2 the price... the other guys: reasonable offers... the british government did you say 1/4 the cost...
If all four Louis guns are firing the tank would have pretty good ventilation briefly
The game seems interesting in concept. But I feel it'll get a bit samey after a while. The tycoon system is good enough for a beta.
The problem is the tank builder. The devs don't seem to advertise creating your own cursed creations with the parts. A pz4 with a churchill hull, or a sherman with a KV-2 turret.
If your only able to stick parts together that "should fit together" a tank tycoon game just sort of loses it's luster.
More of a "Yaay i just sold a slightly modified T-34 to the soviets for the 50th time"
That's literally what they are advertising.
@@danielm.595 still, might get samey after a while. It won't really fe like your selling and designing your own tank if it just looks like another abrams.
@@ambientlightofdarknesss4245 Well, the game is not even at 1.0, let's wait and see what its end version will be like.
I'd recomend you remove the trailing wagon wheels off of all your tanks. IRL they were only ever fitted on the first prototype british tanks and the mark 1. That Medium tank (whippet) hull never even had them, they were abandoned YEARS before it was designed because the mark one proved them to be absolutely useless!
The assembly was called a "Steering tail" they wern't ever intended for improving trench crossing, they were an early attempt at tank steering that DIDN'T WORK.
Also, given in this game they're modled in the raised transport position they wouldn't even work as badly as they did irl, they're literally just dead weight on the back of the tank.
The thing is, in the game they add good stats to the tank.
However, the weight can be an issue sometimes.
Nice vid
14:32 UK vs Denmark in Iceland …
Why not? Ever heard of The Cod Wars?
Whatever happened to that Carrier task force game you said had a better AI than UAD? Is it just not out yet, or are you not going to play? Looked super amazing.
In active development.
@@Stealth17Gaming ah. Open testing starts next year?
@@RayHardman7567 Hopefully yes
29:40 You tell jokes, but Flevoland is strong: Almere is the only Dutch city that the Germans could never conquer during WW2.
Fair point.
Germans simply never learned to hold thier breath long enough to occupie it^^
Lol. Last bastion.
crew members can do more than one job, btw
I think an Commander will be in later models
you should think about fixing defects
Imagine your factory gets bombed
Why are there loading screens when switching between "spreadsheets with background pictures"?
I understand a loading screen when going to eg a full 3D test track.
But how the hell do a handful of spreadsheets with buttons not fit into several GB of RAM in 2023?
The far more complex automotive company simulator "GearCity" has far fewer loading screens for the standard player activities...
There are no forests in Iceland???
Gah, its driving me nutz that your waiting on contracts to build tanks.... Just go ahead and build the tanks so you have them ready for the contract!!!
Can you still get access to the closed Beta? If so, how? The Kickstarter is closed
So this beta skipped the Battle animation at all? I think it had a rudimentary battle simulator with a pretty bad graphic. Or we're not there yet?
Might just not be in the beta. I don't know if they dropped the feature.
@@Stealth17Gaming Thank you for the foresight. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the feature haha.
@@edhikurniawan it was kinda neat to see your tanks in battle.
@@jaywerner8415 Right? Kinda sad if it has to go. But quite understandable if it is what the dev choose. Tho it is not certain yet. Since it still Beta afterall.
Today I learned that the answer to tank is more horse.
why a preww1 war with Denmark?
Lol, Flevoland Lancers in 1915. That's.. peculiar.
can i still play it even if it is in early access
why not send kuban to german contract, it was more fitting and cheaper to produce
Do NOT go for copying the Tzar tank, it is useless(In the real world, maybe the game has it different...)
In this game, you reverse engineer all the different components of tanks you receive. While you could choose to build an exact copy, that would be very unusual. Instead what you do is use components you like in your own tanks. For example, put a German MG in a Whippet tank. Or go deeper than that. Maybe the French have a less labor intensive riveting process that you can copy. You could take some British components and put them in a French cannon, or put French components into a British cannon. After a while you have your favorite components from all of the different countries.
Hot take, I guess; I don't blame you really for missing the crew slot assignments on your Whippet prototype. I feel like this is more of a UX failure than human error. If nothing else, they could have made the first crew slot *exclusive* to the commander. After all, that is first on the list of crew requirements and it is a natural assumption to assign a commander first.
16:11 The fact that the mistake is even possible IS a beta problem.
Flevoland in 1915...
Lol I never even noticed xD
Isn't that the "conquered" part at the inland sea?
1915 seems like they were a lot faster then irl^^
The clip asking for likes, deserved it, absolutely funny
Too many loading screens.