My Thoughts On Video Games
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.พ. 2021
- Apologies for the yard work outside.
Website: www.deepfocuslens.com
Support me on Patreon: www.patreon.com/deepfocuslens...
Follow me on instagram: / deepfocuslens
Follow me on twitter: / deepfocuslens
Like my Facebook page: / deepfocuslens
Email me at deepfocuslens@gmail.com
#videogames #deepfocuslens - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
I forgot to mention how much I admire Shadow of the Colossus too! :/
It’s my favorite game of all time
deepfocuslens one of the greats
Are you single cause I am ready to mingle
Did you see Reign Over Me with Adam Sandler and Don Cheadle? That game plays a pretty significant role actually.
Forgot about that game! What a masterpiece.
J.K. Simmons' performance in Portal 2 is one of the best of all time.
J.K. Simmons performance in almost anything is good lol
Pong was my first and favorite. No characters, no story, no problem solving, no grand effects; just good ole hand / eye coordination. The good old days.
Silent hill 2 is one of the best psychological horror experiences
Agreed. I played it for the first time last year and I absolutely loved it. Beautiful horror.
@@timetheory84 in the first game, one of the bad endings explicitly references the conclusion of Jacob's Ladder (IIRC it's essentially the same ending). In 2 and especially 3, some of the monsters have these jerky head/body movements like the hallucinations Jacob experiences in the movie. The first three games, at least, all prominently feature a hospital setting, like the movie (I haven't seen the movie in something like fifteen years, but I recall the hospitals were also visually similar). And of course there is the blurred line between fantasy and reality (the two "worlds" that switch around in the games). Can't recall anything else off the top of my head now. I need to watch it again!
Gotta give credit to the first game as well. I think the first game is just as good as the second. The second delivers on the psychological and emotional aspects, well thought out characterization (not Eddie though) but the first game is waaaay superior in terms of presenting a horror experience. The music plays a big part in that too.
3 of my favourite videogame franchises:
- The team Ico games
- The Last of Us
- Metal Gear Solid Series
There's only one Last of Us.
Play Soma. Purely for the amazing narrative.
I think someone like you would admire the story, the metaphores, the smart suddle details, the Twin Peaks-like character dialouge and the thick, thick atmosphere of Silent Hill 2 for the PS2. I think it is a horror masterpiece which I didn't discover until 2015 - about 14 years after its initial release.
I think you'd like Ghost of Tsushima, it homages Kurosawa so much that his estate signed off on it.
Its also quite similar to the earlier Assassins Creed games.
Great recommendation, I loved Ghost of Tsushima enough to platinum it!
Everything you love about video games reminds me of Bioshock. Please when you have a chance experience it, whole world, concept and the cinematic feeling is so well crafted that I find something new every time I replay. There's so much care put in art deco and details and the story is mind-blowing. Bioshock Infinite is also fantastic and breath taking. P.S : Limbo and Stanely's Parable is also one of my favorites, you have great taste.
Occasionally, video games have superb dialog. The 2007 game Bioshock has this early dialog that would've been a classic movie quote had it been used in a movie: "I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' "
Limbo is like a David Lynch short film
Love this vid! Love this take on a genre and platform you don’t normally do. Thank you! 👍😁🤘
Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure was my jam
Nintendo's Metroid is one of the earliest videogame series where each game is a chunk of an overarching narrative. You literally have to play most or all of the games to understand what's going on across multiple generations. It's common now but it wasn't when that series started in the mid-80's. It's so fascinating how the artform of videogames keeps evolving through time.
Fabulous video as usual. Your articulation skills are just other-worldly.
Silent Hill 2 is the greatest story in a video game I have ever experienced.
Pyramid Head is one of the greatest characters in video game history.
Possibly yeah
Was really hoping you would make this video one day so I could recommend this. If your favorite game is The Stanley Parable; please PLEASE, play The Beginner's Guide. It's made by Davey Wreden(the creator of The Stanley Parable) and is undoubtedly the best game I have ever played. A measly 1 hour experience that has stuck with me for 4 years, and has completely changed the way I view any piece of media and it's relation with it's creator. PLEASE, do yourself a favor and support this incredible game.
Agreed, i think about that game a lot even if it was just an hour one evening
Games like SOMA and What remains of Edith Finch have amazing stories that rival some of my favourite movies.
Great mentions.
Soma is wildly underrated and I think she would love it. The existential questions that it forces you to ask yourself are so interesting. Game is scary as hell though
@@xNohitter21 yep and it asks those questions better than most movies that try the same thing in my opinion.
I downloaded Soma when it was free on PS+ in 2018, but didn't play it until the pandemic was in full flow last year. Incredibly immersive game from start to finish.
I took a week off of work so I could dive headfirst into Dark Souls...I died a lot, got lost a lot, needed a lot of help but I got through it. I woke up in the moring thinking about Dark Souls, went to sleep at night thinking about Dark Souls. It invaded my thoughts and my dreams. It took me 90 hours to beat and I don't regret a second.
You are taking me back to my childhood with some of the games you are talking about here.
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice is a groundbreaking portrayal of mental illness, in a way that I don't think any other media can
The audio was fantastic in this game as well
Even today Playstation has a very strong single player exclusives lineup
@Move_I_Got_This a lot of people like single player games. Why do you say that like if single player focused games or people who enjoy them are a joke? Lmao
@Move_I_Got_This It's not some niche activity to play a video game by yourself 🤨
@Move_I_Got_This Fucking hell yeah dude that’s lit 🔥🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You must have so many friends 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As if you would do any activity by yourself lol, fuck these nerds 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
BRB me and my homies gotta go shower together real quick because individuality is gay 💦💦💦💦
@Move_I_Got_This youre Just a kid real games are meant to be played alone
@@theurbanloner8879 lol
A few games you might want to check out: Gris, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, Journey, What Remains of Edith Finch, Spiritfarer, Arise: A Simple Story.
Brothers is so great! I love s game that is able to do closely tie it's mechanics to its narrative and emotions.
Great recs, I think she would genuinely adore these. Maybe add Gone Home as well, although I know that’s super divisive.
@@xNohitter21 I just finished Edith Finch and Spiritfarer. Also planning on playing Kentucky Route Zero.
My top 5 games
-Resident Evil 4
-Horizon Zero Dawn
-Tony Hawk Underground
-Bioshock
-SSX3
Glad you mentioned Limbo, that's one of my favourites one of the most innovative I've played so far. Apparently Lars von Trier's Antichrist was planning to be adapted into an indie game, though it ended up being cancelled. Would've been really curious to see what that would've been like
Thank you for another great video. I related to so much of what you were saying here.
Hadn't been paying attention to video games at all for 10 years, but got a PS4 Pro right and a nice OLED TV right before lockdown, and I have been constantly blown away by how much the art form has been moving forward.
It feels like the technology has now reached the level where the creatives who are inspired by art and cinema can finally express themselves through this new medium. I can only imagine what the future holds.
Here are the games that have inspired me the most and are must-go-tos for the cinema lover:
Uncharted 4
Uncharted: The Lost Legacy
The Last of Us 1 & 2 (you HAVE to play the sequel!)
God of War (the whole game is one long take, including cutscenes)
Detroit: Become Human
Red Dead Redemption 2
Firewatch
Spider-Man
Journey
Gris
I really like the new topics you’ve been covering. I felt the same way when I played Detroit Become Human. It has very emotional storylines and the decisions you make have a meaningful impact.
Was just going to mention Detroit. Started playing it a few days ago. It's very fascinating stuff both narratively and technically.
If you want something cinematic,Kojima(if you want a good mixture of story and gameplay,half life and bioshock)
Glad you mentioned Limbo and Inside. I grew up with games and I'm pretty jaded and it takes something special to grab me. Those certainly did. If I could recommend a game to you with a beautiful narrative and score, please try "Gris" or at the least watch a playthrough. It's only about 2 hours and it's available on PC/Mac through Steam.
Interesting seeing this as a recent upload. Here's a strange string of events for you. I was watching DPT trip reports where someone mentioned Run Lola Run and I found myself to your review. You made a reference to gaming in it. Overall I enjoyed the review, as it felt you actually absorbed the themes and msg of its creators... giving a rather down to earth but also insightful perspective. Refreshing change from what usually turns up in searches or via the YT algorithm.
I’m glad that you made this video and touched upon nostalgia and fun, innovation in storytelling / graphics / gameplay, as well as the more artistic or thoughtful indie games like Inside and Staley Parable. Video Games certainly are an artistic form of escapist entertainment ... but whether or not they are effective and resonate with you seems to be more specific on the individual that experiences and enjoys it more-so than movies, because of the interactive elements and difficulty playing an important role on how they are “consumed”
If there are games I’d recommend you take a look at, even if they are brief, they would be:
Journey
Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice
Bloodborne
Bioshock
Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Thomas was Alone
And if you enjoy slasher-horror, choices effecting a story, and silliness: Check out Until Dawn (It’s not great, but it’s fun and gets better later on)
I think there are things in those games that you will appreciate a lot. ✌️😎
games have always been like books to me. an intimate personal 10-15 hour journey you can be immersed in and have an emotional experience. if you have your ps2 you should play silent hill 3 if you havent. it still holds up.
I've been looking for Cabal for over 30 years. Played it a lot back in 1989. I loved it.
A dissolve that connects two shots together is one of the most basic film techniques, and yet you rarely see dissolves in video game cinematics. That's because in a game each scene can be connected to any number of scenes! Anyone who has played games with branching story lines and dialog know what I'm talking about. Those branchings are often driven by player choices. The game designer wouldn't know what the player would choose, and naturally wouldn't know where to put dissolves or other transition effects.
SO HAPPY YOU MENTIONED INSIDE.... I'm a huge gamer/cinephile, but I never generally like puzzle games/2d platformers or minimalist abstract indie games, but man, that fucking game was incredible, what an experience. You MUST play the original Bioshock, Mass Effect 2, Spec Ops The Line, Firewatch
Preface: I'm not a gamer, but I definitely was in high school. Portal 2 is my favorite game ever. The Stanley Parable is up there for me as well. Doki Doki Literature Club really got me too (feel you'd like this one.. It's also free). Also, I'm in the midst of The Witcher 3 (though I haven't played in months, idk why) and its grown on me so much. Also gotta say, for a simple play with friends game, Speed Runners is the best.
I'm generally not a fan of MOST modern games. In the 80's and 90's games we're designed for fast fun and you took pride In completing games as fast as possible. In the 32 bit console era those games felt like an extension of the arcade games by combining game genres within a theme.
Nowadays, so much attention is given to what are essentially Cgi movies that require you to mess around with the remote slightly more often. Fewer games offer you a streamlined experience with fantastic gameplay. It's why I loved Ps4s Miles Morales. Many say they hate how short it is but I love that because its self contained. You play, you unlock moves, you unlock suits and you don't have to buy any DLC content 👍
I didn't know you were a tekken 3 fan. I loved that game it definitely defined my childhood
If you loved The Stanley Parable you'll Love The Beginner's Guide! It's written by the guy from Stanley parable, Dave Wreden!
Was going to mention this, great game :)
Playing Final Fantasy 7 as a 10 year old was pretty profound for me. Beautiful game.
Weirdly I played Final Fantasy 10 as a teen, but didn't get around to 7 until I was around 25. But I'm not as much of a fan of Final Fantasy overall.
The Last of Us Part II is amazing... Maybe even better than the first one. I never felt as emotionally invested in a game (or movie) as In this one. I really recommend it, it is just so cinematic & the graphics are so insane that I sometimes forgot the characters on screen weren't real people. And the story & characters are sooo great as well.
I disagree. It's has great gameplay, graphics, acting were awesome. But the story and characters were garbage.
@@TheListenerCanon Unfortunately the gameplay itself is also sub par at best.
For me, metal gear solid 1999 is when video games started to genuinely compete with movies. Kingdom hearts comes right after that.
Mass Effect creates such an amazing sci fi atmosphere that for me personally has never been replicated in any medium
The most artistic video games I have ever played are easily the Bioshock games (even 2). They tap into the subconscious in the most subtle ways and they cover major topics such as existentialism and free will brilliantly. I recommend them if you haven’t heard of them or played them. :)
Wow. I have very different tastes in video games than everyone else here. I'm more into thinky puzzle games like The Witness. The story games I am into are those where the dev relinquishes control over the narrative. In other words role playing games but with a computer interface.
My favorite of these is Don't Make Love by Maggese. You play as a praying mantis negotiating praying mantis sex (a practice which wikipedia describes as 'sexual cannabilism'). It is the rare game that allows the player to be emotionally vulnerable. I got so emotional while playing it. It was quite cathartic.
As you can tell from my avatar lol. My favorite game is Dragon Quest VIII, I just love the adventure, fantastical sense of wonder, and the beautiful cell shaded look that was also popular in other favorite ps2 games (like Okami for example). Japanese RPGs are my favorite types of games.
I like your perception of video games 🎮. I'm glad to see you understand their overall importance and don't just dismiss them as "dumb kid stuff." I love video games for ALL the reasons you mentioned and their ability to bring people together and have fun again. Great video ❣
A subset of gamers seem to prefer games that take a non-cinematic approach to storytelling. Some people (most I think) judge a game's artistic quality by how much like a movie it is, while others judge it by how unlike a movie and more like a game it is. I don't mind either, I think the best games have a mix of both. The Souls games are often held up as good examples of games with deep but indirect storytelling.
I mainly have experience with Nintendo games, so I'd recommend Super Mario 64 (very light on story, just a really great classic game), and Earthbound (an old SNES game but it has a lot of emotional nuance, and has aged really well).
I REALLY think you should experience what Silent Hill 2 has to offer. It is a beneficiary of high doses of deep surreal narrative (at both conceptual and audiovisual level) and a Lynchian obsession for symbolism. In fact, SH2 took a lot of inspiration from Lynch's work. You can clearly breathe Lynch's style in the way the atmosphere presents and evolves; and to a certain degree, you can also see a number of Lynch's archetypes in some characters.
There's so much from Mulholland Drive (my favorite movie) and Lost Highway inserted into SH2 (my favorite virtual artworld).
Another virtual artworld I hugely recommend is Rule of Rose. A jewel with abstraction in its storytelling core, embroidered with surreal audiovisual representation, and polished by means of an omnipresent passion for symbolism and subtle contextual narrative.
Have you ever played Silent Hill 2? I'm not just mentionning it because it's my favorite game, I really think it is a game for you (if you can play survival horror games). A small team of top notch talents at every level giving birth to one of the best work of art ever. The perfect team, a miracle. A Lynch fan like you would like it as it is maybe be the best game in terms of storytelling through symbolism. Not as obscure as a Lynch movie but somewhere half way between Jacob's Ladder and Eraserhead I'd say. The themes of this game (loss, abuse, madness, sickness etc) are so strong, so real, so horrible, universal and terrifying... I've shed so many tears and spent so much time questionning myself because of it, more than for any other work of art I guess. Anyone could be James and trust me no one wants to be him :'(
I have.
@@deepfocuslens Alright! So you just forgot to mention it and praise how amazingly awesome it was! Hahaha silly you! Don't worry I still like you anyway!
And yes The Stanley Parabale is another special masterpiece!
Metal Gear Solid is Life.
The most film-like genre of games are probably "interactive fiction" games that are primarily about storytelling. Early entries were quite primitive, but the last few years saw several very well-crafted titles such as "What Remains of Edith Finch" and "Firewatch." They not only tell good stories, but also use the interactive medium in innovative ways in telling the stories.
No piece of film can ever be as scary as a video game in my opinion
Gotta agree...A film plays out in front of you without you having to do anything. Video game you have to take control and continue playing to progress which can be hard to do when its done right.
Fable got the funniest dialogue
The rated E ps2 games do bring back memories! Such as brother throwing controllers every time I beat him.
I give you a standing ovation mentioning Jak & Daxter
😇🙏👏👏👏
Loved Inside, but limbo fell short a bit. I assume you've heard of Little nightmares? It's a masterpiece! And part 2 releases next week. I'm holding on to patience 😌🎮
Video game is probably the only art form where the viewer rarely sees the entirety of a piece of work. Casual gamers may not know this, but others know what I'm talking about, don't you. Can you imagine seeing only 3/4 of the Mona Lisa painting, or only 90 minutes of a 2-hour film? Yet gamers, more often than not, almost never see 100% of the content of any particular game. This is due to the "conditional" nature of game content that a player may or may not see due to player choices. You basically have to replay a game numerous times in many different ways in order to have a chance to discover all its content. Even so, that's hard to do if you don't know what to look for and how. In addition to that, industry reports have shown that in any given game, a majority of players (as much as 90% in some cases) never finished the game. Many games give you an "achievement" for completing the final mission, and show you the percentage of players who earned that achievement. That percentage is almost never 100% and far from it, as many of you gamers must have noticed.
Just as an aside. Have you done a video providing your insight on the 1950 classic "Harvey" with James Stewart and Josephine Hull?
I was obsessed with video games when I was younger, especially with Donkey Kong 64, Star Wars Episode 1: Racer, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Soul Calibur II and Need For Speed. But after getting into movies at around 14 or 15, I completely stopped playing them. Kind of want to get back to them
Are you looking forward to the upcoming Sands of Time remake?
@@taliamason7986 hadn’t heard about it until now. Just watched the trailer and was really unimpressed with the graphics, but apparently the game has been delayed to improve them so I’m happy about that. But I’ll have to play the game on a friends console lol
You should check out No More Heroes, the guy that makes them is like the Tarantino of videogames
Killer 7 is also fantastic from a music / visual / psychedelic experience that doesn't take itself too seriously but is also nutzo and scary(?) at the same time.
@@EricLyday it's the implications that really gives it the unsettling atmosphere
You should get a Steam account and explore the vastness of video games. There is sooooo much story to explore, have fun with, learn some history and have the want and drive to play more!
It woud be interesting if you woud give your thoughts about the film “The sessions” (and also regarding “Chinatown”).
Excuse me, if my English is not so well (I am Dutch).
Bioshock and Last of Us are pretty amazing stories and worlds...
Maggie, I've been watching you since I was little - I think you would absolutely love Hollow Knight. Beautiful, dark, and atmospheric.
I love to see what maggie thinks about Bloodborne. It ticks all the boxes that she loves.
I wish I could play Bloodborne...I loved Dark Souls but I don't have a ps4 :/
Very dark, very weird, unbelievable lore, but for someone who doesn’t play much it’ll be pretty difficult/daunting. I’d love to see it though.
@@msmit152 U should rent out a ps4 just to play bloodborne.
@@xNohitter21 I was obsessed with bloodborne’s lore until and after I finished it. I started to read HP Lovecraft’s book after Bloodborne. And I started to appreciate surreal movies after bloodborne. You don’t directly understand the plot but the experience stays with you
@@TheNyquilDriver Thanks guys....I have an Xbox One. I've been able to get away with watching walkthroughs of ps4 exclusives like God of War, The Last of Us 2, and Uncharted 4 on TH-cam but Bloodborne is an exception....They might put it on the ps5... I'll wait and see if I can get one of those at retail price.
So Shadow of The Colossus was my favourite game of all time until a couple years ago when I played Nier Automata. Next level narrative right there.
The Talos Principle was also the best puzzle game ever made and has a good narrative as well. Very philosophy focused. makes Portal Games look like a little bitch.
Agreed on Inside and Limbo being great. Also liked Abzu, Journey, Kentucky Route Zero(Similar astheic to Stanley Parable), Gris (fucking gorgeous), and Return of The Obra Dinn
Stanley Parable, wow. Rarely hear about it, but it's indeed fantastic.
I hope you will one day try the Yakuza games. I was amazed how whacky, funny, serious, dramatic, or just dumb (in a good way) can a game be - and it still works as a whole, never felt that any piece was inorganic. Oh, and Takeshi Kitano is in the 6th game.:)
Many games have film-like elements, yet they rarely use some of the most basic, commonplace film techniques. You rarely hear realistic overlapping dialog in games like you do in movies because game dialog has to be recorded separately and pieced together later. Every line of dialog in a game is "conditional" -- it may be used, may not be used, may be used once, twice, thrice, earlier, later, used only when "triggered," etc. When you see two people talking to each other, their lines are more often than not "pasted" together programmatically instead of having the two voice actors record the lines together. That's why conversation scenes in video games often feel forced and unnatural.
You should play Kentucky Route Zero. It is 2d and has very stylized graphics like limbo and inside. It is a very haunting Americana tale about a truck driver, and deals with themes of the aimlessness of modern American life.
The "games aren't art" people always make me laugh
Loom is the most enlightening experience I've had in gaming.
@@AAWinnerMichaelCaine The LucasArts Loom?
Why?
You should definitely play Silent Hill 2. You would love it.
My top 5...
1. The Last of Us
2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
4. God of War (2018)
5. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
All I've 100%ed (not just beaten) at one point.
Gris or Journey might be right up your alley. Both are short and simple games that are visual masterpieces and are packed with emotions. I couldn't recommend them enough to anyone, especially someone who has an affinity for beauty.
You’d have to scrounge up a GameCube or Wii somewhere, but Metroid Prime is an excellent representation of player-driven narrative, something that the Dark Souls series would help popularize later on.
It leans a little on puzzle-solving, which I know you’re not crazy about, but the environmental storytelling that’s embedded into the entire game is definitely worth checking out, in spite of that.
Metroid Prime and Dark Souls are two of my favorite games. You're absolutely right about the environmental storytelling...the beauty is you can explore to find out more about the world and story but you don't have to if you don't want to. I'm more fascinated by the Metroidvania design of both games (in order to access area you need upgrade)....no game nails that quite like the Metroid series. As for Dark Souls (and I'm sure Bloodborne after it), the combat is so damn satisfying.
Hey Maggie we want your top 10 or top 5 of 2020 movies or even series
I've always found horror games more effective than horror cinema, playing a well made atmospheric horror game with the lights off beats any movie or TV show for scares for me. As for games being art, I think there are many examples of gorgeous stylised games that prove this. If Gibli movies are considered art then so should games like Ori And The Blind Forest, which is really lovely story told through a blend of hand drawn artwork and modern graphics techniques.
Oh man. I played that Silent Hills PS4 game years ago. Was high as hell. It scared the shit out of me.
@@deepfocuslens Yes!! I'm not surprised with those fucking eyeballs everywhere.
Just recently finished Ori 2. It is the Disney movie of gaming. Music, art, the charm, sense of adventure. Just incredible.
Films have inspired the making of video games, and vice versa. Cuphead was inspired by vintage cartoons. The 1987 thriller Angel Heart about voodoo in New Orleans inspired a 1993 game called Gabriel Knight that used the same milieu and themes. The 2019 game Observation resembles 2001: A Space Odyssey in a number of occasions visually, thematically, right down to the final cryptic journey to the unknown (the game even mentions the film directly at one point). In terms of games inspiring filmmakers, many action choreographers and CGI artists have mentioned video game graphics as an inspiration.
Silent hill 2. Play that shit
The Silent Hill series have such an impressive range of influences
if you ever get back into gaming, you should check out Hitman 2. the environments you play in are SOOO REALISTIC and immersive.....its like a simulated vacation to another place. i also really like FMV games, which are basically movies where you choose what happens next in the story. that is the future of adult gaming in my opinion.
You mean like Bandersnatch? Because that was terrible.
Resident Evil 4 still holds a special place in my heart. There were fantastic horror games before it (Resident Evil Remake, Silent Hill 2) and fantastic ones after it (Dead Space, The Last of Us)....but to me RE4 was the first game to make horror "cool" to the wider audience.
Superliminal is a recent game that has drawn comparison to The Stanley Parable, with its oppressive feel and groundhog day-like activities. The games most like The Stanley Parable in spirit, IMO, are Portal 1 and 2. All 3 games were made with the Source engine, and they all have you wander alone in an oppressive Kafka-esque universe.
so many hollywood writers and actors in videogames now
exactly
Check out death stranding, not for everyone but it’s worth a shot.
Regarding the art of games and films, each medium can't do certain things the other can. Films don't offer interactivity, and games have yet to achieve the profundity in storytelling in films like Citizen Kane, Vertigo, and the many classic films you have reviewed. The "art" of video games is mostly found in gameplay: level design, action mechanics, interactive quality, things of that nature. In games, interaction always comes first, and storytelling secondary. This is evidenced by the fact that many classic games have no story, because they don't need it: from Pacman, Tetris, to Doom, and Portal, which you mentioned. I'm a big fan and consumer of both the video game and film media, and I never want to see games trying to do what films do, nor films trying to do what games do. Film and literature at least have a symbiotic relationship. But film and game are still, to me, two different beasts.
This is the best take. This is why there are games that are great "movies" but not great "games". If the gameplay isn't interacting/connecting with the storytelling aspect in some way, it's not a good example of the medium of games having the ability to produce high art.
I love 🎮's but I prefer retro games to what's out today
To be fair, we're in an ideal situation today...I can sit and play all the atari and nintendo games of my youth still but at the same time there's absolutely amazing games coming out that are every bit as "retro" feeling but take advantage of modern tech just enough to make some really powerful statements. Hotline Miami, this war of mine, darkwood...all FEEL retro as all hell, but they have just little qualities, maybe artwork or music or something that just wouldn't have been possible back in the day.
We basically have the best of both worlds now, if I feel like grand operatic storylines I can find that...when all we had was the commodore 64 and atari you were pretty well limited in what you could put on the cartridge...
If you like videogame controllers so much you should marry one. I'm dead serious.
@@hetrogamr84
I have actually , a ps4 dualshock I call Sara , been in wedded bliss for 3 years now.🎮🤵🏽
Don't dismiss new games completely, there are a lot of indie games coming out / that have come out in the last few years that are great. But yeah, playing a modern AAA title is a surefire way to not be engaged mentally or challenged in any way whatsoever at this point.
If you haven't tried it, seek out an old game 'Journey' - super easy to play, and though it seems simplistic...
Roger Ebert wrote a review of a Mac game called Cosmology of Kyoto, which is a simple point-and-click adventure game. He also said on his TV show that he once bought and played on a Nintendo but he had to stop because he almost got addicted and he hated himself for it.
Not really that into video games, but the Stanley Parable is also my favourite game, for a similar deconstructive experience I'd recommend trying out Frog Fractions. Majora's Mask is also very novel in how it explores that concept of regeneration which is taken for granted in most games. In terms of "normal" narrative games, Okami is unmatched.
The mistake Roger Ebert made in the article you mentioned was that he looked at games with the same lens he looked at films. When he said games weren't art, he was thinking of the kind of art that films could achieve. He didn't know that the art of video game is something different entirely. In fact, there is very little in common between the two media save for a few superficial resemblances.
I would also say that he had selection bias, comparing nearly a century's worth of an established art form to an only decades old medium largely marketed to children, which was still limited and experimental in nature. I'd like to think that today he would see a work like God of War 4 or Breath of the Wild and realize how much the medium has evolved even since he wrote that controversial take.
@@looney1023 Ebert made those comments about video games in the late 90s, when games were already pretty sophisticated and hardly experimental (except maybe in small indie titles). He just didn't understand games and had played very few games. IOW, he just didn't have an educated opinion about them.
You have to check out observation videogame. They use the crop circle symbols of uk in the plot.
People who say games aren’t art I would like to point them to:
Every Bioshock
Dark Souls 1 & 3
Breath of the Wild
The Last of Us
Life is Strange
Honestly any Hideo Kojima game
Kingdom Hearts (lol)
Mario Paint, since you literally make art.
These games have in depth stories and if they were put in a book or a movie they I think could be considered top tier up there with movies like Citizen Kane or Titanic.
Even if they weren’t something in depth or incredibly popular I still consider it art. The Room is a piece of art, is it good, well that’s objective. I could also make the same statement with any game.
Scott the Woz said it pretty well, “If a fork can be art, why can’t games be.”
I’m a nerd yes.
Also I would highly suggest those games if you ever feel like playing some great games.
If games with in-depth stories could become great movies like Citizen Kane, then why hasn't a single game ever made into a classic movie? There have been plenty of great games, surely. Yet plenty of sucky movies were adapted from video games. The reason: when you turn a game into a movie, you have to throw out a whole bunch of things that made the game great in the first place. That's why the idea almost never works.
Dark Souls 1's world design is a piece of art in and of itself.
Stanley's Parable drowns in the depths of the Metal Gear Solid series. If you want to see more video games then consider watching the MGS series on here as well Kojima's more recent game Death Stranding. You won't be disappointed.
okay if you really want to ever go down a rabbit hole, I would suggest taking a look at hideo kojima’s P.T. it was a mystery game that just appeared on the playstation store, nobody really knew who made it or what it was. it featured cryptic images with bone chilling atmosphere, accompanied by an even more cryptic story and puzzle to be solved. this game breaks the fourth wall in so many astounding and hypnotic ways. i’ve never seen a video game so confident and psychopathic as this one. the game itself is constantly playing tricks on you, challenging what many would call normal game design. its a fuckin masterpiece, and if you know anyone who still owns a ps4 with the game still on it, PLAY IT..
_The Last of Us_ is one of the games I would consider art. _Grand Theft Auto V_ is a very good satire too.
Have you ever played any of the Metal Gear Solid games? I think 2 is especially interesting with ideas about free will as well as some very prophetic stuff for a game that came out in 2011 about information distribution in the digital age. You can play it on your antique PS2 lol.
You didn't mention Silent Hill 2, so if you haven't played it, you really need to. I feel like it will hit all the right spots, it explores mature topics (like sexual frustration and sexual abuse) in a very intelligent, emotionally engaging way. Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment is a readily acknowledged influence by the designers and the horror setting/aesthetic is really more of a vehicle to represent the story's themes, or the characters' psychology. I just watched your review of Possession and that's what it reminds me of a little bit; it is a horror game in a similar way that Possession is a horror film.
The Bioshock series is an incredibly gripping narrative experience too. I would recommend those too if you're looking for games that are trying to do something "new" (relative to their age) with the medium.
EDIT: Just scrolled down to see all the Silent Hill 2 comments before me - I hope our advice was heeded lol
Yo what the hell is that noise that comes up every time there is a cut in your video? Is it just me?
So when is your first Twitch stream? xD
God this would be so cool
You need to play Heavy Rain
if you're into horror Silent Hill is probably the best series for that, honestly one of the most haunting stories I have ever had a chance to experience.