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Before the band Montrose, the late Ronnie Montrose was with the Edgar Winter Group (yes Johnny's brother!) on songs like 'Free Ride' and the classic rock instrumental 'Frankenstein'.
I do not understand the whole Relic thing they charge you a bunch of more money to beat up a guitar. I would rather have it pristine and have my own wear
They make pristine ones for you. These are for other people who don't want pristine ones. Everybody gets what they want. It doesn't have to turn into a war every time there's a relic vid.
@@PaulCooksStuff I’m very aware that you can get custom shop pristine Les Paul’s I guess it’s an acquired taste to get a Relic an extra $2000 for them to screw your guitar up. I think it’s bullshit.
There's days when I feel even older, when you mention Montrose and most people are like who. And we were going to shows with the Winter brothers and Montrose and maybe a couple other bands no body heard of in years for 5 bucks.
Much more interesting fun fact is that he was in The Edgar Winter Group, and played on "They Only Come Out At Night". He's on that LP, which contain the classic tracks "Free Ride" and "Frankenstein" and the single version of "Free Ride".
I remember seeing so many TH-cam review videos of this series back in the day. Never heard anything negative, only shock at how well they were set up, how resonant they were, didn't go out of tune and the intonation of every note was just dead on. This does seem to be the transition to the True Historic's like you said. I was lucky enough to get Collector's Choice #18 called the, "Dutchburst". This was evidently the year they were making the switch to hot hide glue. Not sure if mine got the hide glue treatment and the upper pickguard screw isn't recessed like the True Historic's. All I can say is, I have 2 True Historic's and I prefer my Collector's Choice. It's not night and day but I've plugged up my strobe tuner to the Collector's Choice and every note is dead on. Even the first three frets. No compensated nut. It has the original nylon nut. And acoustically, it is noticeably louder than the True Hisoric's. Yes, the action is the same height on all of them.
I met Peter Weihe when I was at Guitarpoint. He showed me the STP Burst. It was the best soundin' guitar I have ever heard. He compared it to his Artist Proof Les Paul but the STP played in it's own league.
This is a very nice sounding guitar. You can hear not only the pickups (nice bite to them) but you can also really enjoy the resonance of the instrument, it's got such a nice full sound and it seems to sustain nicely. It's a case where the guitar makes a significant difference to the end produced sound.
STP has always been a great oil additive still is. there is a demonstration you can do that shows good of a lubricant it is? take a flat head screw driver and dip the flat head of the screw driver into the the additive. and place that end of the screw driver between your fingers. and try to hold on to the scew driver. and I guarantee you can't hold on it.
I like the sound! I’m not usually into the aged guitars, why pay extra for a beat up guitar? Build it to the same specs you want, ie Montrose, but get it looking new! Over the years I have always strived to keep my guitars looking a pristine as I can! However, I like this one, it’s not overly trashed and adding the top coat over the exposed wood is great for it staying like it is supposed to be.
Yes, I'm with you on this definitely. Normally these over-priced relic'd guitars just seem... well fake as hell. However, when they just have a touch of the passing of time about them (and have not had half the finish sanded off 😂) then I get the attraction.
@@martin-1965 They aren't overpriced IMO, when you buy anything you're paying for time. And relicing takes a whole load of work. Sometimes about as much as it took to make the thing in the first place, because it's extremely hard to automate like you can with every other step. So now, you have a guitar that took as much time to make as a customshop before you relic it, then you throw a whole lot more labor at it and it's gonna get eyewatering quick. I refuse to do it on the guitars I make because I don't like the look, and I don't think it's worth the money, but I see why it costs what it does.
@@fairguinevere666 Yes, fair point. I was wrong to say "over-priced" and accept the amount of work that goes into recreating the relic'd effect - especially when they are replicating a famous guitar like the "Greeny". I'm also with you that, in most cases, I don't like the look. I don't build them like yourself (much kudos to the craftsmanship and years of experience on your part to do that). I do however repair mine and a few customers and friends guitars in my humble workshop. Imho the most important part of the guitar to work on is the neck, and I am happy to reshape, sand, fret level, refret, polish and refinish them until I or my customer/friend is happy with the feel of the neck. I mention this because I can imagine some of the relic'd guitars have amazing necks that feel great in the hand. How the rest of the guitar looks? Well, I like it to look as good as possible and have the best components and build naturally 😎 So just curious if you would agree and whether that is something you focus on most when building your guitars or not?
@@martin-1965 I'd 100% agree with you on all that. All my guitars have stainless steel frets, rolled fretboard edges, are hand carved for those parts you're hands on with, etc. I purchase wood for weight, buy overbuilt hardware to help it last a few decades longer and just be that little bit more stable, etc. Reliced necks can actually be 50/50 tho, it's common for them to have a ledge on the edge of the finish which a real vintage doesn't! Which again is part of why I don't like them, for the most part. They take one of the most important parts and make it worse. Also, if you are doing all that with existing guitars, you probably could make your own without too much hassle. Especially with something like stewmac's pre slotted fretboards, they save a lot of hassle.
I had always thought Ronnie played through a Marshall on those early Montrose records but he told me it was actually a 3x10 Bandmaster. Said he carried replacement speakers on the road with him because they blew up constantly. Either way, what a tone!
This might be my favorite video I’ve seen on this channel in a while. Wow these guitars are insane. Thank you for sharing this Trogly , you’re awesome.
My favourite is the CC #17 Joe Perry Burst. The actual one was used by Slash in the iconic November Rain video that birthed the November Burst. Unfortunately, it costs USD30,000 - 40,000 these days...
Rick Derringer was often in the band. I saw them on the Midnight Special in the 70s. They often toured together also and backed each other in the separate bands.
You’re right Trog. Having played a few GCS Les Paul’s, there’s something about that 2014-2018 period that’s a little special. I ended up with a 2016 R7 and the feel & tone is sensational.
Salutations Austin! Particularly beautiful top on that specific Collectors Choice Les Paul, and it sounds great too! The stripes on that top are exceptional! I am not sure just exactly what inspired Ronnie Montrose, to play as he did, but a good instrument I find is always inspirational. Thank you for posting these videos! Please have an excellent and awesome day! ☀️✨🎸
some collectors choice were never made because they didnt sell 25 of them. They were built in batches of 25 and I visited the custom shop in 2011 and 2014 working for GC and heard this from them that not all guitars went into production.
Wasn't expecting that. Not sure WHAT I was expecting...but it FAR exceeded it. That is one AMAZING sounding beast. I hope whoever buys it, plays it and plays it like it deserves.
I had saw where one gut who is obviously oblivious said that a Les Paul was not an instrument to be used in metal . He apparently hasnt been listening to the right groups.
That’ll be the 70s norlin era. They’ve never done binding on the edges but I’m sure someone out there has. I’ve always wondered that as well. However as far as I know, the only sgs that are completely flat are the norlin norlin era years but not all years in the 70s or 80s are like that.
That is a very good sounding guitar, the kind that is worth the money. Catch and release! 🙀 I don't think I could sleep if I did that. 😁 Someone is going to be very happy when they get that guitar. If the Neck Pickup is too dark, it can be turned around in the pickup cavity so the screw pole pieces are facing the bridge instead of the neck - No rewiring or soldering necessary and easily reversible.
I have the CC2 and the CC8 , they look, feel and sound totally different , i have an 56’ vintage gold top and a 88 model 60 reissue , the CC’s sounds really good and even comes close to the gold top which is my benchmark
Well I'd love to have a new one of these but I don't want to pay double for one to look like Ronnie montrose screwed up one. Give me a break. Murphy lab guys too.
I have to admit, ive been cheating & watching other guitar channels. And well...i miss the way you touch guitars with the back of your fingers! So im back...keep up the great work! (I knew "Rock Candy" was the first dirty riff you'd play, NICE!)
Interesting review...as always. Great sounding and nice looking guitar. I didn't know Custombuckers were available yet in 2014 and would have guessed Burstbuckers. Never-the-less, they sound great in this guitar...nice and chewy. I wonder how top-wrapping the strings would influence the tone, but I think it sounds pretty stellar as is. As a side note...I've played more R8's (by percentage) that have something special going on with them than do R9's.
All the les Paul’s in the collectors choice series are SUPERB. I was lucky enough to play #2 Goldie. I don’t think I will ever play a better guitar. They are also all insanely expensive now.
Never been a fan of artificial mojo. And some of these prices are insane to me. Why take a brand new beautiful guitar and purposly beat it up to match some artist guitar.
Have to disagree, I see the aged neck in the '14 CC stock photos (with the white background). Its not light like yours but you can see at the heel and the headstock the color is slightly different and less glossy.
Mighty Mouse is copyrighted by CBS, (although they no longer own Fender... there still might be an issue for the sticker not being on the guitar) just my my two cents on the ıssue :))
My 1976 les Paul standard has aging and dings and wear as does my 81 les Paul custom cherry burst but they are my fault. Why would I want to pay a rediculas price for a copy of a guitar that some other fool screwed up
Montrose are Bay Area rock legends! You can’t find a boomer who lived in the area at the time who hasn’t seen them. They and Tower of Power were two of the hardest working bands in the area - ToP is still going strong too.
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Beautiful guitar. I want a lefty, oh yeah i can't get one.
How much coin bro
Before the band Montrose, the late Ronnie Montrose was with the Edgar Winter Group (yes Johnny's brother!) on songs like 'Free Ride' and the classic rock instrumental 'Frankenstein'.
Also he did session work for Van Morrison. Tupelo Honey for example. Pure dynamite
I thought Rick Derringer did those,...?
@@Steven-re3tx Derringer was in Edgar Winter's White Trash band.
@@b.rodclark334
Rick Derringer also on Johnny Winter's "Live and,.." album.
That’s a keeper. Best sounding LP you’ve had on the show.
I think I maybe agree with take, actually. It does seem to have more juice than anything else I can remember
Gibson didn’t want to pay the licensing to STP or the owner of Mighty Mouse to put the stickers on the guitars.
I do not understand the whole Relic thing they charge you a bunch of more money to beat up a guitar. I would rather have it pristine and have my own wear
It's a replica of a specific guitar, that's the whole point
They make pristine ones for you.
These are for other people who don't want pristine ones.
Everybody gets what they want.
It doesn't have to turn into a war every time there's a relic vid.
@@PaulCooksStuff I’m very aware that you can get custom shop pristine Les Paul’s I guess it’s an acquired taste to get a Relic an extra $2000 for them to screw your guitar up. I think it’s bullshit.
I'm with ya. Like no way they're not using factory seconds or worse for these 😂
@@jeffholliday8304 it's simply a finish option, granted it's a finish option for those who can afford it
There's days when I feel even older, when you mention Montrose and most people are like who. And we were going to shows with the Winter brothers and Montrose and maybe a couple other bands no body heard of in years for 5 bucks.
Saw Pat Travers last Friday. He's still kickin' ass.
@earthaltar That's real cool. He rocked!! I don't think he got the notoriety he deserves!
Fun fact about Montrose is back in the 70s they had a singer who went by the name of Sammy Hagar.
Much more interesting fun fact is that he was in The Edgar Winter Group, and played on "They Only Come Out At Night". He's on that LP, which contain the classic tracks "Free Ride" and "Frankenstein" and the single version of "Free Ride".
Another fact. Paper Money is the first recorded Montrose album.
Actually he's listed in the band lineup as "Sam Hagar"
@@houseomiller The artist formerly known as Sam.
Open FIre rocks and lets not omit Gamma and Van Morrison. Look for video of Ronnie talking about Wild Night. Big fan of Ronnie.
Finally!! Want a whole series on these!
Totally agree
I remember seeing so many TH-cam review videos of this series back in the day. Never heard anything negative, only shock at how well they were set up, how resonant they were, didn't go out of tune and the intonation of every note was just dead on. This does seem to be the transition to the True Historic's like you said. I was lucky enough to get Collector's Choice #18 called the, "Dutchburst". This was evidently the year they were making the switch to hot hide glue. Not sure if mine got the hide glue treatment and the upper pickguard screw isn't recessed like the True Historic's. All I can say is, I have 2 True Historic's and I prefer my Collector's Choice. It's not night and day but I've plugged up my strobe tuner to the Collector's Choice and every note is dead on. Even the first three frets. No compensated nut. It has the original nylon nut. And acoustically, it is noticeably louder than the True Hisoric's. Yes, the action is the same height on all of them.
Having the STP promotion on the guitar is pretty cool especially if it were still there. and "Rock Candy" is a Rock and Roll standard a great song.
Idk, imo looks much better than most Murphy Labs
I agree man! This looks so natural, the Murphy's don't really
I met Peter Weihe when I was at Guitarpoint. He showed me the STP Burst. It was the best soundin' guitar I have ever heard. He compared it to his Artist Proof Les Paul but the STP played in it's own league.
The first Montrose album is in my top ten.
Absolutely. Some fantastic riffs and bangers, stellar guitar playing and great vocals. Classic.
This is a very nice sounding guitar. You can hear not only the pickups (nice bite to them) but you can also really enjoy the resonance of the instrument, it's got such a nice full sound and it seems to sustain nicely. It's a case where the guitar makes a significant difference to the end produced sound.
1st spisode I've watched on the tv in 4k and it was glorious, plus the audio running through some ol pioneers, was excellent
STP has always been a great oil additive still is. there is a demonstration you can do that shows good of a lubricant it is? take a flat head screw driver and dip the flat head of the screw driver into the the additive. and place that end of the screw driver between your fingers. and try to hold on to the scew driver. and I guarantee you can't hold on it.
When I think of an old LP sound this guitar is has it. Great pickups.
I saw Montrose in 76 with Sammy Hagar. Great show. Also in the show, Foghat, and, of all people, Jimmy Buffet.
I like the sound! I’m not usually into the aged guitars, why pay extra for a beat up guitar? Build it to the same specs you want, ie Montrose, but get it looking new! Over the years I have always strived to keep my guitars looking a pristine as I can! However, I like this one, it’s not overly trashed and adding the top coat over the exposed wood is great for it staying like it is supposed to be.
Yes, I'm with you on this definitely. Normally these over-priced relic'd guitars just seem... well fake as hell. However, when they just have a touch of the passing of time about them (and have not had half the finish sanded off 😂) then I get the attraction.
@@martin-1965 They aren't overpriced IMO, when you buy anything you're paying for time. And relicing takes a whole load of work. Sometimes about as much as it took to make the thing in the first place, because it's extremely hard to automate like you can with every other step. So now, you have a guitar that took as much time to make as a customshop before you relic it, then you throw a whole lot more labor at it and it's gonna get eyewatering quick. I refuse to do it on the guitars I make because I don't like the look, and I don't think it's worth the money, but I see why it costs what it does.
@@fairguinevere666 Yes, fair point. I was wrong to say "over-priced" and accept the amount of work that goes into recreating the relic'd effect - especially when they are replicating a famous guitar like the "Greeny". I'm also with you that, in most cases, I don't like the look. I don't build them like yourself (much kudos to the craftsmanship and years of experience on your part to do that). I do however repair mine and a few customers and friends guitars in my humble workshop.
Imho the most important part of the guitar to work on is the neck, and I am happy to reshape, sand, fret level, refret, polish and refinish them until I or my customer/friend is happy with the feel of the neck. I mention this because I can imagine some of the relic'd guitars have amazing necks that feel great in the hand. How the rest of the guitar looks? Well, I like it to look as good as possible and have the best components and build naturally 😎
So just curious if you would agree and whether that is something you focus on most when building your guitars or not?
@@martin-1965 I'd 100% agree with you on all that. All my guitars have stainless steel frets, rolled fretboard edges, are hand carved for those parts you're hands on with, etc. I purchase wood for weight, buy overbuilt hardware to help it last a few decades longer and just be that little bit more stable, etc.
Reliced necks can actually be 50/50 tho, it's common for them to have a ledge on the edge of the finish which a real vintage doesn't! Which again is part of why I don't like them, for the most part. They take one of the most important parts and make it worse.
Also, if you are doing all that with existing guitars, you probably could make your own without too much hassle. Especially with something like stewmac's pre slotted fretboards, they save a lot of hassle.
Richard Kilgo, exactly! I'm with you on that! But this is one "worn" guitar that looks appropriate 👍
Tastefully done and I think I like it better than Greenie (and I am huge Metallica fan)!
I had always thought Ronnie played through a Marshall on those early Montrose records but he told me it was actually a 3x10 Bandmaster. Said he carried replacement speakers on the road with him because they blew up constantly. Either way, what a tone!
@@cataclysmicconverter Great observation on the Leslie West tone. Yep, I totally hear it.
This might be my favorite video I’ve seen on this channel in a while. Wow these guitars are insane. Thank you for sharing this Trogly , you’re awesome.
My favourite is the CC #17 Joe Perry Burst. The actual one was used by Slash in the iconic November Rain video that birthed the November Burst. Unfortunately, it costs USD30,000 - 40,000 these days...
that‘s a nice guitar! are you sure, you don‘t to hang on to it? for the museum... for life
TheCollector's Choice is a great player...who knew?? Apparently Montrose was also in the EdgarWinter Band before starting his own.
Rick Derringer was often in the band. I saw them on the Midnight Special in the 70s. They often toured together also and backed each other in the separate bands.
You’re right Trog. Having played a few GCS Les Paul’s, there’s something about that 2014-2018 period that’s a little special. I ended up with a 2016 R7 and the feel & tone is sensational.
Trogly does a lowkey Indy 500 themed episode right before the Indy 500 without even knowing it
Montrose rocked! Sammy Hagar fit that band perfectly
I would love to see a Gibson Eric Clapton George Harrison Lucy les Paul if you get the opportunity!
He's done it before...check his old shows
That's one of the best R8's I've seen (or heard). I'd definitely pick that over a new one were I in the market for a burst reissue.
Keep that Guitar mate! Sounds that good don't come very often :)
Salutations Austin!
Particularly beautiful top on that specific Collectors Choice Les Paul, and it sounds great too!
The stripes on that top are exceptional! I am not sure just exactly what inspired Ronnie Montrose, to play as he did, but a good instrument I find is always inspirational.
Thank you for posting these videos!
Please have an excellent and awesome day!
☀️✨🎸
some collectors choice were never made because they didnt sell 25 of them. They were built in batches of 25 and I visited the custom shop in 2011 and 2014 working for GC and heard this from them that not all guitars went into production.
Interesting! I’ve got a CC39 SN 30 , and I’ve never seen one with a number higher then that 🧐
Wasn't expecting that. Not sure WHAT I was expecting...but it FAR exceeded it. That is one AMAZING sounding beast. I hope whoever buys it, plays it and plays it like it deserves.
Always enjoyable to visit here.
Thats Rock Candy baby!
AT LAST THE PROPER DIRECTION OF THE BUMBLE BEE CAPS, BRAVO GIBSON.
I had saw where one gut who is obviously oblivious said that a Les Paul was not an instrument to be used in metal . He apparently hasnt been listening to the right groups.
One thing that has gone past most is the fact that a great guitar,like a car. Is made to be DRIVIN! Not to be put on a pedestal!
This is a dream guitar for me. First it’s a 1958 reissue and second it’s Ronnie Montrose. Both very cool for me. Ronnie was a great artist.
Do I like Montrose? Yes I do. Would I be bothered to buy a Ronnie Montrose guitar? Nah. Would I want to own this gorgeous guitar? Oh my yes!
I have a 2014 true historic R8. That was a great year for the custom shop.
Did Gibson ever do a flat top SG? Like with no edge carves and binding around the body?
That’ll be the 70s norlin era. They’ve never done binding on the edges but I’m sure someone out there has. I’ve always wondered that as well. However as far as I know, the only sgs that are completely flat are the norlin norlin era years but not all years in the 70s or 80s are like that.
That guitar sounds killer🤘
That is a very good sounding guitar, the kind that is worth the money. Catch and release! 🙀 I don't think I could sleep if I did that. 😁 Someone is going to be very happy when they get that guitar. If the Neck Pickup is too dark, it can be turned around in the pickup cavity so the screw pole pieces are facing the bridge instead of the neck - No rewiring or soldering necessary and easily reversible.
"That guy" from Stone Temple Pilots is named Dean DeLeo . Great show my man but Dean deserves a little more respect than being called "that guy".
I agree that sound sooo good.
Btw, love to see you doin the CC number one and compare it to nowadays one 🤘
I have the CC2 and the CC8 , they look, feel and sound totally different , i have an 56’ vintage gold top and a 88 model 60 reissue , the CC’s sounds really good and even comes close to the gold top which is my benchmark
Well I'd love to have a new one of these but I don't want to pay double for one to look like Ronnie montrose screwed up one. Give me a break. Murphy lab guys too.
That's pretty cool, but if I'm buying a Ronnie Montrose guitar I want one of the rifle guitars.
I have to admit, ive been cheating & watching other guitar channels. And well...i miss the way you touch guitars with the back of your fingers! So im back...keep up the great work! (I knew "Rock Candy" was the first dirty riff you'd play, NICE!)
Been waiting for this kind of video on this model for a long time! Massive Ronnie Montrose fan, and this is one of my favorite Les Pauls.
Interesting review...as always. Great sounding and nice looking guitar. I didn't know Custombuckers were available yet in 2014 and would have guessed Burstbuckers. Never-the-less, they sound great in this guitar...nice and chewy. I wonder how top-wrapping the strings would influence the tone, but I think it sounds pretty stellar as is. As a side note...I've played more R8's (by percentage) that have something special going on with them than do R9's.
If you added your own stp reproduction sticker.would that hurt the value ?
The Firebird looks cool, but the only one on Reverb is over $8 grand! I know it’s Custom Shop, but… ouch.
That's a Fantastic looking Les Paul and it's sound matches it's looks, this thing sounds awesome!
Im partial to CC #15 grg martin lemon burst
Dang. I was really hoping you'd do the Bad Motor Scooter engine effect. Bitchen guitar, though.
All the les Paul’s in the collectors choice series are SUPERB. I was lucky enough to play #2 Goldie. I don’t think I will ever play a better guitar. They are also all insanely expensive now.
That guitar is the best sounding guitar i have heard on this channel!
This axe sounds so sweeeet! Great playing, Austin! Yes, love that neck pup!
One of my favorite sounding guitars so far. Wow, that's awesome. Thanks Trogly!
One day I'll get a Gibson custom shop guitar. What a beauty that is!
Good evening
Ace Frehley's Lemonburst was the coolest...imo
I do not know for absolute sure, but I'm confident the STP sticker has nothing to do with motor oil.
Never been a fan of artificial mojo. And some of these prices are insane to me. Why take a brand new beautiful guitar and purposly beat it up to match some artist guitar.
There it is!
Have to disagree, I see the aged neck in the '14 CC stock photos (with the white background). Its not light like yours but you can see at the heel and the headstock the color is slightly different and less glossy.
He also played guitar on Edgar Winter's Frankenstien :)
Cool I never knew that! 👍
Yeah, that's what we need, more bursts...
You keep getting lucky with spectacular sounding examples. Great sounding guitar!
Gorgeous carving, thats what makes a LP gorgeous or not.
Nicest sounding lp on your show so far
Stunning Guitar! The aging is not over done. It’s perfect. So this was pre Murphy labs.
Mighty Mouse is copyrighted by CBS, (although they no longer own Fender... there still might be an issue for the sticker not being on the guitar) just my my two cents on the ıssue :))
I was wondering when you were going to finally review a CC?
That ones a keeper !
Blur Song 2, anyone can name any others ?
Collectors choice, LPs often had tooling marks on the fingerboard, quite shocking to see….
Please do John 5 model telecaster Ghost
I’ve been lusting for a CC Redeye
DUDE- YOUR ARE SO MUCH BETTER AT PLAYING NOw. KEEP iT Up Trog!!! I can hear the improvement! Rock On!
One of my all time favorite burst.
This thing sounds amazing.
My 1976 les Paul standard has aging and dings and wear as does my 81 les Paul custom cherry burst but they are my fault. Why would I want to pay a rediculas price for a copy of a guitar that some other fool screwed up
How bout a Marc Bolan Les Paul review!
Gorgeous guitar
Evening fellow Troglodytes!!!
Yo
will Gibson age a guitar that you already own? If so how much?
Time for the daily dose people 🤘
Oh yeah! 👍
I love Montrose. I grew up in St. Louis--where rock bands from Canada always e a big following (Rush,Triumph etc.) Cool story and guitar.
Looks like the original was stringed different in the bridge.
Actually sounds like a 58. Thats rare
Best debut album of all time .Montrose 1973
Collectors Choice Goldie is the undoubtedly the best guitar in the cc series
I agree, have one also 🙂 Best Guitar I ever played
Good video! 👍
Sounds great
Montrose are Bay Area rock legends! You can’t find a boomer who lived in the area at the time who hasn’t seen them. They and Tower of Power were two of the hardest working bands in the area - ToP is still going strong too.