Why Manchester United Struggle to Score From Open Play
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Why Manchester United struggle to score from open play.
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Solskjaer has frequently spoken about recreating the spirit of United’s 1999 Treble season, without ever truly explaining what that entails tactically. But perhaps he’s achieved it; this United, like in the dying stages of that incredible European Cup final win over Bayern Munich, seem somewhat reliant on chucking the ball into the box at corners.
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When your center back has more vision than your midfielder duo
...then you know you have taken over a shitty team in deep trouble.
But luck is, Solskjær is building, even if is some platic-fans don't see it.
This is not a PC-game, things takes time...
Tom Nikolaisen What exactly is he building? A throwback AFC Wimbledon side!?
Building with lot of millions in transfer
@@iwantgoals1566 ????
What of the current squad do you put him responsible for?
James, WanB & Maguire steps in the wrong direction?
U blind?
@@nooble9620 ???
What on earth was that comment ?
You saying the 3 additions to the squad was to expensive?
You saying that getting Sanchez and fat-Luckaqu out was to expensice?
?????
Q
"This united, like in the dying stages of that incredible European cup final win over Bayern Munich, seem somewhat reliant on chucking the ball into the box at corners."
My soul left my body
This is not United,we are being punished for letting our manager and our chief ex retire on the same day,no other big club would have allowed that,then Ed panic buys ,sacks a good proven premier league manager and has been clueless ever since,owners don’t care as they still take millions out of the club every year...we are screwed..
@@paulritchie5868 u can't deny someone from retiring.
That is the obvious issue but the bigger the one as u said is replacing them.
now u need a SOD.
I believe u need a Sporting director so the right players and philosophy can occur.
Edwin seems yhe most likely knows whta he is doing a good football man passionate but calm smart tactically from the best tactical academy ajax.
Someone like Ferdinand wouldnt work.
@@paulritchie5868 the glazers i dont think are too much of an issue u still have enough it's the problems on the pitch thats the main issue.
This isnt another arsenal 3-4 years ago lol.
Yet of course.
TITUS 3V5 you don’t let the two go at the same time,madness,sir Alex went for family reasons and had the right to do that,would it have killed Gill to stay for another year before he handed over to Ed,no,bad planning.
TITUS 3V5 the owners have paid back in interest over £800 million on a £750 million loan,yet you say they are not the problem,they are,I don’t go anymore and won’t return to the yanks are out....
The dinosaurs first appeared on the Athletic
Kehan Vora mad lols tbf
Kehan Vora IKR
Maguire defend
Maguire plays the ball to mata
Maguire misses in front of goal....so we're down to this level that our center-back literally has to do all the work???
As a Man Utd fan...this is one of the shittiest team I have seen.
No wonder. Pogba is the only capable playmaker in this team. But he played so deep under solskjaer. Thats why they cant score many goals from open play
@Boring Name Mata is finished
Daniel Sianipar Then you have half our fanbase with a combined IQ of 50 demand for Pogba to be sold cause he’s “lazy”. He and Martial are the reason why Ole has this job in the first place!
Boring Name his played 10 this season a couple games and been ineffective
@@jacklittlejohn1857 we just have to accept that mata is not the player he used to anymore..he can max come as a substitute in PL and play regularly in europa league
But still way better than fkin Lingard!
In summary, United's problems are:
1. Poor execution of and from set pieces
2. Their central midfielders' poor tactical understanding
3. Their no. 10 failing in his position
Hell, Maguire was doing a better job of being a central midfielder than McTominay or Fred.
It's really annoying that we don't have any choice but to play them because we don't have the players
No 10 failling or in the case of the Newcastle game instruction to just sit behind James hoping to play a pass into space poor management?
@@bilaalwadee9094 Yes, Solksjaer himself is struggling to get things tactically right. And his management has to improve too.
@@saminyead1233 ole not good enough for united. He doesnt even want to admit that he struggled, always smile in the press conference
and no natural number 9 to lead the attack
What i can pull from this is that United's best midfielder outside pogba is Maguire
Maguire is a defender
@@brenaxquiny8639 whoosh
@@brenaxquiny8639 the joke
You
@@brenaxquiny8639 omg
Lol
It's beweldering how mata & lingaard still play. Mata's way past it and lingaard form is just piss poor.
That's not Lingard's form it is how bad he is and earning a living in Manutd.
Ole has no choice but to play Mata at the moment though
Lingard makes more than a bunch of players in the starting 11 of Liverpool Tottenham
Because it was Europa, and they need some fitness retention considering how many injuries we got.
@@andrewthornton6192 I don't think alot of the youngsters are good enough right now. They need mens football in the Championship or lower. This is where alot of the youngsters are excelling.
In all the hyper around Abraham, this is the FIRST season where he's started well in the top division. He has literally has 3 good months in the PL. But that's on the back of 3or4 seasons elsewhere, in one position, with alot of game time. You need all that just to have half a chance of making it.
On the other hand, you can say Chelsea are doing what we were doing under LVG.
Someone recruit this man for united.. he might save us from relegation
If you have Rashford as a #9 you are asking for relegation he scores 5 goals a year, build the team around Martial he’s the only forward with real talent
@@salflobossz7617 at least Rashford actually is fit most games and doesn't walk around the pitch and will actually press the defenders you know something Martial seems incapable/too lazy to do and he's a bitch always injured the new Robben with half his talent
@@outlawsouljaa nah mate, Rashford runs around like a headless chicken trying to get the ball when it's not possible, and then has no energy to do anything else.
Hugh Jass yeah you right Martial is always injured and can be inconsistent but somebody gotta get Martial on the ball again cause when he was #9 that boy put in work
But you can’t lie if there is one player at United who has that star quality besides Pogba it’s Martial , and Martial does not run his asz off but they need to switch position cause if you let Martial do his thing he will score a lot I think people forget how good he really is
Who’s here after we have signed Bruno and he’s absolutely transformed the whole of Man U and Tony and rashford are on 20+ goals also greenwood has scored 15+
Lol
lol.
2:24 Southampton have the 5th best XG in the league.
Leicester City: Hold my beer
You’re content are always on point.Great job man.
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@@XxthetanklordxX Your * Is*
If you're gonna be a grammar Nazi, may aswell go all the way my man. 😂
@@bp3366 I didnt continue reading his comment after I saw him use "you're" incorrectly to be fair. But you're right.
samehada kisame I feel that this episode in particular was quite in depth and very well explained. Cracking job!
@@XxthetanklordxX I find it hilarious how you dismiss his comment because of a grammar error. Need I mind you that not the entire world speaks English as their first language?
The No. 10 role was played very well by Rooney in his final years at the club. Good passing accuracy and he was a talisman.
Replace quality with quality. Not everyone is Sir Alex who would go on to win leagues with Cleverley, Anderson and an ageing defence.
Oh how man u has changed to a much better side in the last 6 months...
Is no one going to talk about how good his drawing is
Its a team
It isnt its a Plug In 😂😂
@@ATominator9911 What is it called?
Idk but many Videos use that style and in some there is even a generic hand that draws the images
@@ATominator9911 Yeah I've seen the hand.
I hope to find that plig in soon
I remember everton battered united 4-0 last season, not 2-0. Dreadful performances
At home as well 😢
Chris M it was at goodison
you remember no need to go so far back for a dreadful performance
Watching this back now after getting Bruno and Pogba working in tandem. I'd love a video on how things have changed in comparison to this.
Yeah we lucky to have bruno
'Maguire was effectively the deep lying playmaker' 😂 damn that's how you know our midfield trash 🤦🏾♂️
T900 My team has Busquets, your team has Maguire. I genuinely feel bad for the MU fans
Siddhant Kadam plastic barca fan lmaooo
we have pogba who is better than busquets
@@kahaniwala121 your team lol your adopted team cause that sure as shit ain't a Spanish name typical Asian glory hunter FCB Fucking Cheating Bastards
Got a habit after we score we just don't expect the obvious that they have to stop defending hard ....... we do this in every game
Nova RL Pogba is a good all-round midfielder, but is a bit inconsistent
This club has been bought by The Athletic
Tin Ymmanuel honestly the Athletic would run the club better than the glazers
The way the video explains along with the positions is just brilliant.
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can we have an analysis on how manchester united's recent turn to good form?
"This united, like in the dying stages of that incredible European cup final win over Bayern Munich, seem somewhat reliant on chucking the ball into the box at corners." That’s it. The Athletic, here I come
Jesse Lingard will still be a hot prospect in 2030
Thank you so much, I know Rashford hasn’t been in great form, but if u have terrible setups, you cannot capitalize on the smart movements he tries to make upfront, which in all honesty could possibly discourage him from making said smart runs because no one has the creative nous to find him
Last time I was this early, Lingard scored...
😂
As Van Gaal said, Ole's style of football is parking the bus and playing on the counter. That's it. The chance creation is low.
Hm i wonder where that tactic been used before.
@@Killahb1036 mike phelan
@@Killahb1036 oh I wonder
Because what other tactics can you use with this team? We have one good creator, Pogba, whose currently injured. The only viable tactic is to counter
@@spaccy6349 even when pogba fit, ole put him so deep. Pogba need freedom in the field like he had in juve. Better play as no 10.
Lmao that ending was such a hard roast💀💀
Which?
Chimaoge Ibe lmao i know rightttt
@@Killahb1036 "Solskjear has frequently spoken about recreating the spirit of United's 1999 Treble season, without every truly explaining what that entails tactically. But perhaps he's achieved it;
This united, like in the dying stages of that incredible European cup final win over Bayern Munich, seem somewhat reliant on chucking the ball into the box at corners."
I felt that as well
!!
Maguire used to play in midfield in his younger years. That’s why he’s comfortable on the ball. It’s embarrassing how our CB attacks more than our actual midfield
I think Maguire is proving to be one of the best signing of the man utd in recent years.
But still nowhere near a VVD.
@@geraltvonriva9873 he isn't.. I hope he will be but he did improve this side. Now to get better cms
Leicester city sells most expensive defender to a struggling man United
Man united nothing have changed
Leicester city replaces maguire with Çağlar Söyüncü who’s been playing better than maguire
Win win?
@@magicjack4076 the problem is for united it isn't the cbs anymore. That is fixed by maguire who can both pass and defend. Its now the midfield and striker problem. And also some tactical problems. And of course soyuncu is amazing and I think Leicester could sell him for another 80 million to some other team 😂
@@bombvayage21 we are fucking 2 points above relegation and apparently he's improved us SMH
United might end the season with Maguire playing central mid..
Or even worse, Phil Jones
Thats why united looking for striker not midfielder
They ended the season third with the best midfield in the league lol
It's all different nw with Bruno
Im able to watch this video because of The Athletic
Do a video on failed wonderkids!
Everton beat United 4-0 in that game. Great video again though.
How once a great team falls down.
AC Milan was first now Man United and Barca might be next.
Raiding Rival the core of Barca is aging
When Messi retires im certain they go a rough patch for years
No, maybe they'll go through a rough patch for a period of time, but they won't go the AC Milan way. United and Barca are financial behemoths unlike Milan. They'll figure something out. For United, the hierarchy is the problem currently.
@@Rubitonyourface you need more than money to do well. A good coach, a proper long term plan and developing young talent, all of which Barca seem to lack. They spent like 250 mil the last few summers, yet are not able to win the UCL.
@@Rubitonyourface money isn't the answer
Basically we've been shit at set-piece since we sold fellaini
we've been shit for ages the only reason we did decent under fellaini because he was tall enough, the rest cant give a proper free kick/corner like their life depends on it....
I think Tifo is the best football channel on TH-cam damn that was so well explained
Enter Bruno Fernandes.
Great video
There is also one big issue with passing
The number of forward passes in the final third is good but with a shocking low percentage
That could be due to missing playmaking quality or bad positioning / movement of the attackers
I think it’s a mix of both
So I was right
Great video...Mctominay is a very limited player but keeps getting praise cos he’s a local lad....much like rashford and his lack of composure.....despite their limitations they got a free pass until now....but this has been united problem for years and it utd managers have been buying based on the outdated idea that the epl is till a power based league
Well in FM terms they playing to structured so there is always a gap between midfield and forward because solkjaer philosophy is counter attack, but it doesn't work against team sit deep you need to play fluid every player need to close to each other and make shorter passing
We played a 4-3-3 with Ole when he came in, but he switched to a 4-2-3-1 this season.... Ole play 4-3-3 we looked unstoppable!!!!
For all the people who hate stats like expected goals just watch the first 2 minutes of this video. We all know that sometimes teams win when they don't deserve to and expected goals are a very useful stat which can show the underlying performance of a team and therefore become a reliable indicator to predict future results.
Martial didn't play like he was "liberated" when Ole came. He was one of the few players that was actually better under Jose.
Jose bought alexis and shoehorned him straight into martial position,who waa doing great,alexis struggles yet he insisted with him,he never fancied him playing and even wanted to sell him and bring on willian and perisic.
@@bazisme9421 I didn't say he was happier, he played better under Jose. When Ole came Rashford and Pogba scored a lot, Martial didn't score many. And Martial under Ole is one of those players if he doesn't score he doesn't really contribute. Under Jose he was at least becoming a decent winger, attacking and defensively improving.
Try saying that again. This comment aged really bad
Grim-有純 Not really, Martial’s plays much better as a winger. Extrapolating for time under Mourinho his goals would have been the same and his assists would have been double.
as a united fans, i gotta say,every single thing you said in this vid is so freakin accurate
Do a video on the original American Soccer League (ASL, 1921-1934). Was one of the best leagues in the world and was getting top players from Europe until feuds with US Soccer and FIFA
Tifo: Man Utd can't score from open play
Next Man Utd Prem Match: two pens missed three goals from open play
The problem against Newcastle wasn't that we couldn't play those passes, it's that we didn't even try. That falls on the management to correct when your players aren't doing something right.
Their passing in the final third is absolutely woeful
Damn this is one of my favorite narrator...... Love the voice and accent
His name is Joe Devine.
If MacGuire is /the/ player that has to force out creative passes instead of your midfielders you're in alot of trouble.
Please do one on Leicester's 9-0 victory over Southampton. If you do, I promise I might consider reading The Athletic.
loved the bit highlighting macguire circumventing fred and taking matters into his own hands. i can't think of one moment watching fred play where he didn't look clueless or where he didn't fuck up 5 yard passes. he is a baffling player and it's mind boggling that he plays for man united. but i guess it's a sign of the times, huh
Just sign bruno fernandes, ruben neves, erling haaland, and any left back to replace Ashley young. It will solve the problems!
It comes down to style. There is so sequence of play or patterns of passing. Most attacking phases are improvised, with the only constant being a heavy reliance on pace. Players are either inconsistent or straight out lack quality. Doesn't help that the club is run like a bank. What a fall from grace.
By far the best analyse ever. Great job, looking forward to your next video.
Please sent this straight to Ole and his staff!
Who's here after the Europa league quarter finals 2nd leg (vs granada) and 2nd place in Pl almost confirmed
Can it because smaller team didn't attack them that much and Man UTD didn't push many men forward so the counter attack didn't hurt them. Hence their XGA is lower.
This video further shows why we need Bruno Fernandes in that midfield.
4:17 "...Rebekah Vardy."
Need a similar video about how Valverde-Rakitic-Suarez are doing similar things at Barcelona.
This was very good. I didn''t watch most of those games but I do see exactly what you are talking about. especially because in the Chelsea opening game we were hella adventurous and brave that most of what we were doing was about taking the ball to the net. looking at what you explained here it makes so much sense that even chances are not being created. I hope someone at the club becomes aware of this and it is fixed.
i just want to say thank you for your channel. amazing content!
Still waiting for your Lee Cattermole episode, it has already been on the Athletic
new video after Norwich game:
Why Man united can only score from open play and not from penalty kicks.
Please make a video on 2019 CR Flamengo from Brasil, a team that with a foreing coach( breaking a dogma) , is playing one of the best footballs in Brasil in the last 25 years, is leading de national league with 10 points over the second (with nearly 80% of the points ) and is in the finals of the 2019 Copa Libertadores after 38 years.
Great video fellas. I knew I wasn’t crazy. Since this past transfer window, I said we need more clinical midfielders for progression purposes and depth.
Side note: I think there is a small mistake where you guys noted the last 5 match results from last season. We lost to Everton 4-0 and not 2-0. I would remember because that was by far the most embarrassing and disappointing match last season. I’ll never forget the space Matic gave up to Siguddson for him to score that screamer outside the box. Criminal.
They also said they conceded 10 but those numbers added to 8. Your comment is correct
United have too much young prospect mainly Jesse lingard
Lingard gets WAY to much pepper.
Does everybody just watch him when United has the ball? The boy is a flying defender....
Cannot wait for two decade more for this prospect to become world class
@@syauqatfikri4908 LOL!
Get a grip on reality sir!
This "prospect" will NEVER be world class.
But he is one of the best we got at the momen. In a dreamworld he would be the third sub on the offence, but Ole has got to work with what he got.
How much would it cost to replace him? Should that money not be spent on a CM instead?
I'm an Arsenal fan and I see us struggling in making clear cut open play chances, at least in the last 4-5 league game. Auba has been dragging us along.
This made me understand that Oles tactics arent really the problem. Probably the instructions but ultimately the players arent carrying it out religiously due to confidence or simply lack of skill.
I can tell you why, we don't have a box to box midfielder to break lines in the middle and create space and gaps for threw balls to be played in behind. Basically when Herrera got injured and now hes left the club its has become the norm.
United's problem is that they don't have players who are good on the ball,they just have physicality.Buying 1 or 2 players will not help,hole of the squad should be refreshed to get back to a level were they deserve.
Letting herrera go was the biggest mistake solskjaer made..but then again he wasn't really keen on staying back either...his industry in the midfield is a huge miss..and was a major contributing factor to the initial success solskjaer had...
I wonder the players we let go for various reasons since Sir Alex left, Falcao, Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Cleverley, Januzaj, McNair, Varela, Reece James, Zaha, Nick Powell, Davide Petrucci ( a player i personally admired in the U23 matches for his ball retention, who unfortunately couldn't make it big)...there are some seriously talented players in there who could easily replace the lot who are playing week in week out for us right now...
But which player is going to play the skilful corner kicks like Beckham?
Fantastic, man.
Anyhoo, can you post some analysis towards Rodgers' Leicester City? Or maybe the evolution of Rodgers' tactics post Liverpool's sacking? Foxes' current form is amazing I think, but it is still quite hard to find any pundits/analysts focusing their reviews on them. Thanks anw mak
That’s because we don’t play our one creative player in his best position.Pogba’s a natural CM especially a left side CM in a 4-3-3 but in the early stages of our terrible streak, Ole started playing Pogba as a CDM.Also you can’t be a a top 4 team with only 1 good CM(Glazers and Woodward out).Also Ole has played Lingard a non creative player as a CM.We struggle to break teams down due to lack of tactics from the tactically inept Ole.
Do you think that modern attacking players need to be coached in various attacking transitions and interplays?
I can't tell you how oddly satisfying to me it is that The Athletic and Tifo have teamed up in this way.
Someone please show Solskjaer this, particularly the missed opportunities for counter-attacks. Every team and I mean every team we have played this season has given us an opportunity to counter them but so often you will see a united player, more especially midfielders, turn the ball back and give it to a center back or full back, now this is fine if you have someone like Messi in your team who can split even the tightest of defences but if your best creative playmaker (no.10) is Mata or Lingard the best bet of scoring goals is on a counter-attack.
Mata -> out of the club
Scot/Fred -> Bench
So we need a no 10 and two midfielders, total three players to replace them.
Plus a striker and a right winger.
It doesn't matter who the coach is but we need total 5 players.That too at the earliest.
Please also make video on why Dortmund is struggling and why all their signings failed and could not improve the team?
make a video on chelsea and how chelsea has improved so much under lampard
Do the same for Arsenal please, we've been terrible at scoring goals aside from moments of brilliance from Auba.
A timely video, considering yesterday's performance... Abysmal! *0 shots on target* (excluding the penalty)!
We lost 4-0 to Everton, not 2-0 as the graphic suggests at 2:40
Herrera-Pogba were really key last season... the fact that both of them are no longer playing for United is the main difference between last season and this season.
Title should just be "why Man Utd struggle to score", bcos it's not like we're rlly good at set pieces lol
I don't like football, but I like art. This is art.
Is their 3-5-2 vs Liverpool the answer? Allows them to easily progress the ball without using the double pivot by having more aggressive wingbacks, and overload a side using the number 10, a striker, and a wingback.
as a saddened Utd fan, i will simply put the issue on;
1. We lack creativity in the middle of the field;
Lingard/Mata/Pereira as No.10 doesn't work at all.
None of above so far, had been creative enough to make passes that break opposition defends, or threatening enough into the box.
more on passing merry-go-rounds.
So thus Fred & McSauce as CM/CDM.
While i can praise McSauce for his works rates on trying to win back the ball, Fred is ntg more like a clumsy-lost-child in the middle or trying to go forward.
2. When your middle of the field are 'shite' , there's no such thing as good passes to the striker a.k.a Rashford.
Plus he himself is not best in the position, this statically make it quite impossible to score goals.
3. Our attacking set pieces this few seasons had been nothing much than scrambled eggs. I can't remember when was last someone score a header from a corner, or fk.
just my opinions tho.
No dynamism in midfield since Herrera left, McTominay solid but offers nothing going forward, Fred decidedly unsolid and offers just as little going forward, but at least runs, when Pogba decides he wants to be fit, he rarely leaves the centre circle and it looks like he's just there to spray over-ambitious passes from 20 yards too far away. Pereira looks like a good player but seems not to know his role. Mata should be the guy to be the playmaker but he seems to have forgotten how to play centrally after four years exiled at right wing, we still don't have a natural right-sided forward so the whole thing is unbalanced (although the obvious solution is to play Dalot there, Lingards been about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike)
If Nagelsmann or Poch was coach United would have been lethal in attacking. They need a smart manager who can tweak things.
This just shows that with a more competent, confident and able midfield United can actually turn the ship around. I've been saying this for 3 months now. A midfielder, or two, would solve most problems at United.
I can watch this kind of analysis all day! Spot on 👏
Corners and Harry Maguire is not the reason man united has been terrible, and alot of people are scared to say their xg goal scorinlg is down because marcus rashford is a timid striker and he plays as if he unaware of whats about to happen on the pitch
Proper mic drop at the end there 😅
Hey Tifo can you make another video on Barcelona defensive problem? They have already conceded 48 shots which is the double of any other top european clubs. And they barely keep clean sheet .
When their Formation isn't right, it's impossible that they would link-up and score in open play.
They’ve played 433 4231 352.
It’s not the formation it’s the coaching and personnel
This overhyping of formations and tactics. It's just another fantasy. Players are poor, and the coaching isn't good enough to raise the ability of poor players to above their ceilings.
@@meatboy2059 You guys are telling me that Manchester United's coaching and personnel are poor. That's impossible.
@@MrGts92 Players are poor but coaching isn't
@Boring Name yeah but we've got a thin squad. So we need players to keep their match fitness. As long as it's not in the league regularly, I'm good with it.
Could you do a current video on Unai Emery reign at arsenal and touch up on arsenals lack of identity under him.