I have no doubt at all that this is 'the best on youtube'. Very well done. Some might find it a bit repetitive in spots, but with a modicum of patience, there's complete information here. Well done and than you, sir.
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Thanks for the video tutorials. Gives me confidence to tackle this DIY project. Going to be doing an old AMF table soon. New rubber cushions and new felt. ...I don't have an angle grinder tough. Could I use a palm sander or orbital sander instead? I also have a Dremel tool. ...I also want to get the pockets tighter. Could I use some extra pocket facings to get the pockets to about 4 1/4" - 4 1/2"? Would a typical order of 8' table felt have enough cloth material to cover the rails if extra facings were added? edit: After a bit of research, triple pocket facings is NOT the way to go. Will lead to the balls' speed deadening when hitting the pocket edges. Either wood shims or extend the subrails should be the way to go.
Yes, you can hand sand or use an orbital. May be tricky with an orbital though due to the facing width? Whatever method, be sure to be gentle - you're not trying to take away any wood. A soft touch. For pocket narrowing, yes as you mentioned you would need to extend the rail ends using timber, do not stack up facings (it won't play/feel right). Best of luck 👍
Great video. Planning to refinish the entire table (rail and felt) and will be using your video step by step. I have a 9 foot black crown 3 slates table. Can you advise if i should get k66 or k55. I can't find any information on line. Thank you!
Glad you like the video's, and hope you manage to utilise them for a nice smooth installation! With regards to the Black Crown, I beleieve they should be K66 cushions (for the Black Crown II anyway). But I am not 100% on that, so please double-check. You could try to measure the old cushions to make sure. K66 have a height on the rear edge of 1 3/16", and should protrude (i.e. depth) from the rear edge to the tip of the face (i.e. the point) by 1 1/8". On the K55 it's 1 5/16" on the rear, and 1 1/4" from rear edge to tip. You can often measure the depth without having to remove anything as you have a 1/8" difference in depth which is quite easy to tell apart. Hope that helps! --- To help support us (for both you and others reading this) there are a few things you can do: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon links in the Video Description! 2) Please Like our video's on TH-cam (by clicking Like!) 3) Please ensure you subscribe to our TH-cam channel! 4) Donations both needed and welcome! You can donate by PayPal - just go to www.paypal.me/thanksfixsavers - or alternatively you can click the SUPER THANKS icon under the video on TH-cam! 5) Please help spread the word, the more people who know about us the better! Add links to our video's in forums, let people know about us. Thank you for your support!
I have an old antique 41/2x 9 table that I refinished 35 years ago, do you think I need to change the cushions. The table was originally set up for American pool with the sharp cornered pockets, but I made it into a snooker style pocket. Do you think the height of the rails should be lowered for the smaller sized snooker balls. And do you use those black rubber strips on the snooker shaped pockets too.
Hey there! Probably, yes. Not many cushions are designed to last that many decades. Some do, but not many. New cushions may well give the table a fresh jolt of life. Interesting question on smaller balls vs cushion nose height. I'd go the other way, larger 2 1/4" snooker balls which would be a better scale to the pockets (unless you reduced pocket size?) On snooker tables they use a different cushion profile which is like a square L shape, and the cushions bend around into the pockets and so do not require facings. It's actually a really nice system, but of course does not allow for the square pocket corners required for pool. Hope that helps 👍 --- To help support us (for both you and others reading this) there are a few things you can do: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon links in the Video Description! 2) Please Like our video's on TH-cam (by clicking Like!) 3) Please ensure you subscribe to our TH-cam channel! 4) Donations both needed and welcome! You can donate by PayPal - just go to www.paypal.me/thanksfixsavers - or alternatively you can click the SUPER THANKS icon under the video on TH-cam! 5) Please help spread the word, the more people who know about us the better! Add links to our video's in forums, let people know about us. Thank you for your support!
Is there a "standard" bumper profile for octagonal tables? Inheriting an older table that needs a lot of love but figured I would try everything myself. Thanks in advance for the help!
Unfortunately, probably not. K66 and K66 tend to be the most common for pool tables, but for what you have it could be anything. You can usually tell the profile once the cloth is removed by taking measurements off of them and comparing to the standard profile measurements. Hope that's of some help! 👍 ----------------------------------------------- To help support us: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon Links! 2) Please ensure you LIKE our video's, and SUBSCRIBE to our channel! 3) Donations always welcome! Hit the SUPER THANKS option below the video on TH-cam! Thank you for your support!
This is probably a stupid question, but could you use an oscillating multi tool with a scraper blade to remove the glue and rubber from the rail instead of sandpaper?
Multi-tools are a great tool and I use them all the time for DIY work. My thoughts are that it may be too aggressive with a scraper attachment and bite into the wood. A manual hand scraper may be better (but a lot of work!!) You could always give it a quick gently and try and see if it works for you. Best of luck 👍 ----------------------------------------------- To help support us: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon Links! 2) Please ensure you LIKE our video's, and SUBSCRIBE to our channel! 3) Donations always welcome! Hit the SUPER THANKS option below the video on TH-cam! Thank you for your support!
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Yes, if the old ones are in good shape then absolutely! Bear in mind that they do have a limited life which can vary from 5-30+ years depending on the brand and quality. So if they've been on a long while it may be worth considering replacing with new. Hope that helps! 👍 ----------------------------------------------- To help support us: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon Links! 2) Please ensure you LIKE our video's, and SUBSCRIBE to our channel! 3) Donations always welcome! Hit the SUPER THANKS option below the video on TH-cam! Thank you for your support!
I have an old table, late 1970s, i got the K66 rubber and it's larger than the old dried out rubber, shrinkage is possible i guess. I noticed if the rubber is placed with the wider foot to the top it doesn't match the old rubbers point of contact with the ball,noticeably lower. My question is - is it ok to turn the rubber upside down, then the point of contact matches the old point. + there is no tape on the new rubber
Hey there! Firstly, you should ensure that K66 rubbers are 100% definitely what should be installed on your make and model of table. Assuming that K66 is definitely correct, could it be possible that the old rubbers were installed upside down? Is there any control fabric on the old rubbers (it should be on the top)? Did you have an issues with balls hopping from the rails on the old rubbers? You should avoid fitting the rubbers upside down. If the table was designed to take K66 rubbers it would have been designed to have them installed the correct way up. Are the old rubbers definitely K66? Maybe the table should have K66 but a previous owner installed something else? Lots of things to consider, hope it helps!! 👍 --- To help support us (for both you and others reading this) there are a few things you can do: 1) Please be sure to use our Amazon links in the Video Description! 2) Please Like our video's on TH-cam (by clicking Like!) 3) Please ensure you subscribe to our TH-cam channel! 4) Donations both needed and welcome! You can donate by PayPal - just go to www.paypal.me/thanksfixsavers - or alternatively you can click the SUPER THANKS icon under the video on TH-cam! 5) Please help spread the word, the more people who know about us the better! Add links to our video's in forums, let people know about us. Thank you for your support!
@@AverageJoesPool Thanks for the reply, everything came out good except for one major mistake, the rubber end caps. I'll have to get some more and try again.
Hi Sir. I installed a pool table by myself today. And I found a problem, after hitting a ball into a rail, a ball came back hopping. With your experience may I know what is the problem is? Thank you so much. Hope you see my comment.
Hey there! You didn't mention what work you did. Did you change the cushion rubbers (hence this video)? My first idea's for what you are experiencing would be maybe incorrect cushion profile, or maybe the cushion installed upside down. It sounds like the nose of the cushion is sitting a touch too low, and so the balls are bouncing upwards. Hope that helps! --- To help support us (for both you and others reading this) there are a few things you can do: 1) Donations both needed and welcome! We cannot operate Average Joes Pool without the support of people like you! You can donate by PayPal - just go to www.paypal.me/thanksfixsavers - or alternatively you can click the SUPER THANKS icon under the video on TH-cam and donate that way too! 2) Please ensure you subscribe to our TH-cam channel. 3) Please Like our video's on TH-cam (by clicking Like!) 4) Please help spread the word, the more people who know about us the better! Add links to our video's in forums, let people know about us. Thank you for your support!
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It shouldn't jump. The most likely reason you are experiencing this would be that the nose height on the new rubbers is sitting too low, and so throwing the ball upward upon impact. Maybe you installed the incorrect type for your table?? Or less likely, installed upside down? But this issue almost certainly will be the nose height sitting to low. Hope that helps 👍
When you say Amazon's you mean unbranded, or lesser branded as available to buy on Amazon? Well, with branded ones they are can 3-4x the price, but also better quality - especially in how long they may last. Good branded ones might last 20+ years. Expect half of that for the cheaper ones (but some may well last close to as long as the branded ones as quality varies a lot!). Hope that is of some help 👍
Nightmare scenarion. Best tip, a lot of patience. Keep chipping away at them as best you can, they'll come. But it might take a little time. Best of luck 👍
If you don't have any tools then it's likely best to pay a professional to do it for you. Likewise if you're not confident in the job or it looks too complicated, best pass it over to someone who does this every day. But if you like DIY and have the tools, you can save some cash by doing it yourself. Entirely personal choice, and situation. Hope that helps! 👍
Hi there! It can vary a little depending on the type of table, but in most cases you will find that the rails are bolted on from underneath. The bolt usually passes through the slate and into the underside of the rail. Have a look underneath the rail and you should see some bolt heads. Best of luck!
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I have no doubt at all that this is 'the best on youtube'. Very well done. Some might find it a bit repetitive in spots, but with a modicum of patience, there's complete information here. Well done and than you, sir.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is years of your skill in the trade passed on to us. Thank you.
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Amazing videos! I just bought an olhausen grand champion 3, moved it, set it up and reclothed it perfectly with all your great tips. You are the man!
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Just about to do my table. I can't tell you how much I apreciate you sharing all your knowledge. Thank you :)
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Hi, awesome video! May I ask which cushion rubbers are known to have bigger (biggest) bounce?
Thanks for the video tutorials. Gives me confidence to tackle this DIY project.
Going to be doing an old AMF table soon. New rubber cushions and new felt.
...I don't have an angle grinder tough. Could I use a palm sander or orbital sander instead? I also have a Dremel tool.
...I also want to get the pockets tighter. Could I use some extra pocket facings to get the pockets to about 4 1/4" - 4 1/2"?
Would a typical order of 8' table felt have enough cloth material to cover the rails if extra facings were added?
edit: After a bit of research, triple pocket facings is NOT the way to go. Will lead to the balls' speed deadening when hitting the pocket edges. Either wood shims or extend the subrails should be the way to go.
Yes, you can hand sand or use an orbital. May be tricky with an orbital though due to the facing width? Whatever method, be sure to be gentle - you're not trying to take away any wood. A soft touch. For pocket narrowing, yes as you mentioned you would need to extend the rail ends using timber, do not stack up facings (it won't play/feel right). Best of luck 👍
Great video. Planning to refinish the entire table (rail and felt) and will be using your video step by step. I have a 9 foot black crown 3 slates table. Can you advise if i should get k66 or k55. I can't find any information on line. Thank you!
Glad you like the video's, and hope you manage to utilise them for a nice smooth installation! With regards to the Black Crown, I beleieve they should be K66 cushions (for the Black Crown II anyway). But I am not 100% on that, so please double-check. You could try to measure the old cushions to make sure. K66 have a height on the rear edge of 1 3/16", and should protrude (i.e. depth) from the rear edge to the tip of the face (i.e. the point) by 1 1/8". On the K55 it's 1 5/16" on the rear, and 1 1/4" from rear edge to tip. You can often measure the depth without having to remove anything as you have a 1/8" difference in depth which is quite easy to tell apart. Hope that helps!
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I have an old antique 41/2x 9 table that I refinished 35 years ago, do you think I need to change the cushions. The table was originally set up for American pool with the sharp cornered pockets, but I made it into a snooker style pocket. Do you think the height of the rails should be lowered for the smaller sized snooker balls. And do you use those black rubber strips on the snooker shaped pockets too.
Hey there! Probably, yes. Not many cushions are designed to last that many decades. Some do, but not many. New cushions may well give the table a fresh jolt of life. Interesting question on smaller balls vs cushion nose height. I'd go the other way, larger 2 1/4" snooker balls which would be a better scale to the pockets (unless you reduced pocket size?) On snooker tables they use a different cushion profile which is like a square L shape, and the cushions bend around into the pockets and so do not require facings. It's actually a really nice system, but of course does not allow for the square pocket corners required for pool. Hope that helps 👍
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Is there a "standard" bumper profile for octagonal tables? Inheriting an older table that needs a lot of love but figured I would try everything myself. Thanks in advance for the help!
Unfortunately, probably not. K66 and K66 tend to be the most common for pool tables, but for what you have it could be anything. You can usually tell the profile once the cloth is removed by taking measurements off of them and comparing to the standard profile measurements. Hope that's of some help! 👍
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This is probably a stupid question, but could you use an oscillating multi tool with a scraper blade to remove the glue and rubber from the rail instead of sandpaper?
Multi-tools are a great tool and I use them all the time for DIY work. My thoughts are that it may be too aggressive with a scraper attachment and bite into the wood. A manual hand scraper may be better (but a lot of work!!) You could always give it a quick gently and try and see if it works for you. Best of luck 👍
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Please see 2:17 in the video, there is a section which covers which glue to use. Hope that helps 👍
Can you please make a video on Poolball racks I have crappy plastic one right now who makes good ones?
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Can i re use the same rubbers? have 2 that are unglued.
Yes, if the old ones are in good shape then absolutely! Bear in mind that they do have a limited life which can vary from 5-30+ years depending on the brand and quality. So if they've been on a long while it may be worth considering replacing with new. Hope that helps! 👍
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I have an old table, late 1970s, i got the K66 rubber and it's larger than the old dried out rubber, shrinkage is possible i guess. I noticed if the rubber is placed with the wider foot to the top it doesn't match the old rubbers point of contact with the ball,noticeably lower.
My question is - is it ok to turn the rubber upside down, then the point of contact matches the old point. + there is no tape on the new rubber
Hey there! Firstly, you should ensure that K66 rubbers are 100% definitely what should be installed on your make and model of table. Assuming that K66 is definitely correct, could it be possible that the old rubbers were installed upside down? Is there any control fabric on the old rubbers (it should be on the top)? Did you have an issues with balls hopping from the rails on the old rubbers? You should avoid fitting the rubbers upside down. If the table was designed to take K66 rubbers it would have been designed to have them installed the correct way up. Are the old rubbers definitely K66? Maybe the table should have K66 but a previous owner installed something else? Lots of things to consider, hope it helps!! 👍
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@@AverageJoesPool Thanks for the reply, everything came out good except for one major mistake, the rubber end caps. I'll have to get some more and try again.
@@Per409 Good luck, hope it goes well!!
Hi Sir. I installed a pool table by myself today.
And I found a problem, after hitting a ball into a rail, a ball came back hopping. With your experience may I know what is the problem is?
Thank you so much. Hope you see my comment.
Hey there! You didn't mention what work you did. Did you change the cushion rubbers (hence this video)? My first idea's for what you are experiencing would be maybe incorrect cushion profile, or maybe the cushion installed upside down. It sounds like the nose of the cushion is sitting a touch too low, and so the balls are bouncing upwards. Hope that helps!
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Why does the ball jump after installing new bumpers?
It shouldn't jump. The most likely reason you are experiencing this would be that the nose height on the new rubbers is sitting too low, and so throwing the ball upward upon impact. Maybe you installed the incorrect type for your table?? Or less likely, installed upside down? But this issue almost certainly will be the nose height sitting to low. Hope that helps 👍
Difference between branded and amazon’s?
When you say Amazon's you mean unbranded, or lesser branded as available to buy on Amazon? Well, with branded ones they are can 3-4x the price, but also better quality - especially in how long they may last. Good branded ones might last 20+ years. Expect half of that for the cheaper ones (but some may well last close to as long as the branded ones as quality varies a lot!). Hope that is of some help 👍
I was shocked when u produced the angle grinder 😮
Lol, yes it's a heavy duty tool for the job, but also the perfect tool for the job. You just need a delicate touch 👍
Can someone tell me if all leisure bay tables use k66 bumpers?
I'm not certain if every single model they do/have done are K66, but yes Leisure Bay use K66 bumpers. Sorry I couldn't help more 👍
Mine are so dry it's coming off in pieces. Any tips?
Nightmare scenarion. Best tip, a lot of patience. Keep chipping away at them as best you can, they'll come. But it might take a little time. Best of luck 👍
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Is this worth it if you don't have the tools or just pay someone
If you don't have any tools then it's likely best to pay a professional to do it for you. Likewise if you're not confident in the job or it looks too complicated, best pass it over to someone who does this every day. But if you like DIY and have the tools, you can save some cash by doing it yourself. Entirely personal choice, and situation. Hope that helps! 👍
How do I remove existing rails
Hi there! It can vary a little depending on the type of table, but in most cases you will find that the rails are bolted on from underneath. The bolt usually passes through the slate and into the underside of the rail. Have a look underneath the rail and you should see some bolt heads. Best of luck!
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