That might be true for a Social Four, but the Self-Preservation Four psyche structure operates a little differently. Yes all that depth of feeling is there, but their constant comparison sends them into action to get what they are missing. They are stoic in the face of long suffering, they can appear happy (like a 7) to demonstrate just how good they are at not sharing their pain. They tend to be more masochistic than melodramatic. They tend to put themselves in tough, challenging situations to demonstrate just how strong they are in the face of pain. They earn love by not complaining. Through that lens, being a ENTJ SP4 does not seem completely out of the question.
@ I’m a self preservation 4 (and a psychologist). The functionality and temperament of the ENTJ is fundamentally different from that of the type 4. In fact, they’re opposites in most ways. MBTI tests have notoriously poor reliability and discriminant validity (although I believe the construct itself is valid). It’s much more likely that this person is mistyped as an ENTJ. Of course, we can’t be 100% certain, but there simply isn’t enough construct overlap between the ENTJ temperament profile and that of an enneagram 4 with any wing, instinctual variant, or “level or health.” Temperament simply doesn’t work that way
@@TemerityPascal It's hard to get into the nuance of these 2 systems here, but I'm happy to jump on a zoom call and compare notes. Drop me an email if you'd like to explore it with me. It might also be useful to listen Leslie's episode on the reasons she came to this conclusion, she has deep dived into this more than I have: podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-hello-personality-podcast/id1637912160?i=1000577653115
Thank you for this awesome insight.❤
A 4 isn’t going to be an ENTJ, ever. The 4 is, by definition, a feeler type, and often introverted. This person is very obviously not an ENTJ
That might be true for a Social Four, but the Self-Preservation Four psyche structure operates a little differently. Yes all that depth of feeling is there, but their constant comparison sends them into action to get what they are missing. They are stoic in the face of long suffering, they can appear happy (like a 7) to demonstrate just how good they are at not sharing their pain. They tend to be more masochistic than melodramatic. They tend to put themselves in tough, challenging situations to demonstrate just how strong they are in the face of pain. They earn love by not complaining. Through that lens, being a ENTJ SP4 does not seem completely out of the question.
@ I’m a self preservation 4 (and a psychologist). The functionality and temperament of the ENTJ is fundamentally different from that of the type 4. In fact, they’re opposites in most ways. MBTI tests have notoriously poor reliability and discriminant validity (although I believe the construct itself is valid). It’s much more likely that this person is mistyped as an ENTJ. Of course, we can’t be 100% certain, but there simply isn’t enough construct overlap between the ENTJ temperament profile and that of an enneagram 4 with any wing, instinctual variant, or “level or health.” Temperament simply doesn’t work that way
@@TemerityPascal It's hard to get into the nuance of these 2 systems here, but I'm happy to jump on a zoom call and compare notes. Drop me an email if you'd like to explore it with me.
It might also be useful to listen Leslie's episode on the reasons she came to this conclusion, she has deep dived into this more than I have: podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-hello-personality-podcast/id1637912160?i=1000577653115