The Worst State Park in the US?? | Starved Rock State Park
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- #starvedrock #marlbros #illinois
Today we explore one of Illinois' premier state parks: Starved Rock. Unfortunately, it was a massive let down due to the high volume of people attending the park (on an average Wednesday), the patron's misuse of the land and disregard for Governor Pritzker's pandemic regulations, and just a general lack of excitement due to being in the middle of Illinois cornfields.
With that said, I hope you enjoy the video and took it as a fair warning not to come here. Instead, enjoy some of Chicago's lakefront parks, as surprisingly they get less volume.
Stay Safe, Stay Inspired
-Marlbros
**I said this was part two to our Illinois state park series but this is actually going to be part 1, sorry for the confusion
My dad was a conservation officer in the park for 25 years he’s pulled multiple dead people out of the canyons for the exact reason that you’re complaining about, if there’s rules set in stone it’s for a reason.
I knew a guy who fell into St. Louis canyon while a Boy Scout, lived to type the tale...
Stay in the city, kid.
I ain't from the city partner
I’m from Plainfield 😂 is that city??
Is anyone happy for anything? You made a video to complain
The two guys are lame. I bet they wouldn’t even be able to survive out there thinking they are badasses lol
Bruh who do you thinks gonna read your dusty comment besides "the two guys" who made the video; next time you try to critique my shit direct it at me you jackass. Also not sure what kind of jrpc hardass you think you are, but most people who visit a park with miles of paved paths, board walks, and campsites where you camp one inch from a guy railing his wife in a tent do not consider themselves survivalists.
Awwww poor privileged kids can’t do whatever they want.Mad bc other people wanna enjoy nature too.Why aren’t you at work also?Exactly...Lames😆
I work a minimum wage part time job stfu and mind your own business your poor insolent fuck
Yeah idk who these kids are but they're dumber than the sandstone they can't climb.
@@fringetravel Karen
Stop whining and stay on trail. Don’t act badass.
teach us your ways of being a meme lord @jay1920
Kinda disappointed Conservation didn't ticket you both but I'm glad you're both still alive. It's okay that you don't like Starved Rock because people that can't follow simple safety rules don't belong here. The rock isn't stable except for marked trails. The property surrounding Starved Rock is used for frac sand mining which slowly changes structural integrity in some locations. If you lived in the area, you would see how many bodies have to be scraped from the Rock. I'm sure you can imagine it takes a while to get rescue out to someone especially if nobody witnesses the fall. The people that fall normally look and act just like you. Btw you went to the most crowded part of Starved Rock that is where tourists go. A tiny bit of research and you would have found a more secluded area with less people and more waterfalls. Stick to the bean, kids. 😉
Thanks for the kind words. Where we walked was very stable and we never actually climbed any sandstone rocks. Our disappointment mainly was cause a guy at REI told us there was climbing there, and finding out there wasn't was pretty unsatisfying. As a result, we jokingly directed frustration at law enforcement. But none of that is overtly clear in the video so I understand the backlash
The Bevis and Butthead tour
lmao
There's multiple injuries and deaths at Starved Rock State Park every year for people going off the trails and falling off of canyons and cliffs. Conservation officers normally will ticket you for being in a restricted area if you're off the designated trails. Starved Rock State Park is nice and there's miles and miles of trails to hike but you just need to stay on the designated trails.
starve rock is wonderful and the park staff do a great job.Maybe utube people should stay out and quit trashing things.
Learn how to type before commenting on a video jackass
@@fringetravel Wow I miss a capital S and get trashed your a real keyboard warrior.
@@andrewreiss2811 you’re
You're complaining about wearing a mask when you're walking? Come on dude.
This was at beginning of covid, I could care less now
@@fringetravel That's not what I originally meant, but whatever. Just go get vaccinated if you haven't already, please.
Bad taste all around.
@@hsun7997 the vaccination that doesn’t work hahaha.
@@jakeadams9353 do u need a mint
Starved Rock is an amazing beautiful place. It's definitely not the worse state park, but however I personally think it is overrated. Because it's one of the most popular and well-known state parks here. Also in my personal opinion it's not the best state park in Illinois. My favorite place and places are down in Shawnee National Forest in Southern Illinois.
agreed, pretty much summed up what I'm trying to convey in the video
If you ever want to know some better places to visit here in Illinois, feel free to hit me up.
@Brad B. I have reservations there next weekend at campground. It's our 2nd time but didn't explore much except at Matthiessen. Any suggestions?
@Brad B. the pond is where we went, it was awesome!! Thank you for the tips! We will be there the 24th for 3 nights. Can't wait to hike!
@Brad B. awesome, thank you!!!!
I am from California but lived here in Illinois quite a while, Starved rock is one of the decent places with activities than any other places, wth do you expect its not like Colorado or California. Negative f..ks🤮
i wish it was cali or rado tho
The reason why everything is blocked off is because people like yourself try and climb on everything and fall off a cliff and die lol. The water falls not being able to go in I’ll agree there shouldn’t be any issues with that. You just got to be local and know where to go.
yeah we’re pretty ducking stupid but how else do you have fun am i right
"Do people not work anymore?" They're called tourists.
Contrary to what your pea-sized mind might imagine, there are actually fewer people working in recent times because they would rather take unemployment and stimulus checks than work, as evident by the 15 million job vacancies in the US today. Especially during the time this was filmed, many people were recently placed on furlough or fired due to the pandemic, so really it's really not unlikely that more people had the free time to attend parks due to inability to work/find jobs or lack of wanting to.
reference: www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/there-are-now-more-jobs-available-pandemic-so-why-aren-n1263669
@@fringetravel How does one define the mind, which is not a tangible physical object, as being pea-sized if he himself hath not a pea for a brain?
@PWGAMER 346 ur just mad cause you didn't graduate high school
@@fringetravel Hate to burst your bubble but in states that have stopped the fed unemployment checks, unemployment did not go down much if at all. Those job openings are still there for the most part. Survey after survey shows other reasons for people not returning to work. Finally since right wingers successfully demonized unions to the point that they have been almost eliminated in many areas, the employee has the upper hand due to so many of them finally just saying "Take this job and shove it" at almost the same time. You might want to read some of those polls instead of listening to right wing bs.
@@normanacree1635 Yeah everything you said still supports my point about a large number of people being unemployed or not working at the time... Also I never mentioned right-wing politics. I simply engaged in a discussion about macroeconomics
The incredible amount of marketing that has been done to drive people into the parks in LaSalle County has made the business owners in Utica and Ottawa happy, but the actual nature in the parks seems to be suffering heavily in the past few years, in the form of over the top amounts of garbage and vandalism issues. Just being within a reasonable driving distance from metropolitan Chicago doesn't automatically make a relatively tiny conservation area a great place to funnel thousands of people every weekend in the summer. I was an ER nurse in Ottawa for 10 years, and the stories of people falling to their deaths every weekend are no myth. It's a nice place for a day hike, and much less crowded in the winter. You might have a better experience if you try to check out the frozen waterfalls and the canyons during the winter.
You guys clearly don't understand the geography when you say you can't climb or swim. You don't want to swim in that nasty water. My brother got a terrible rash after doing that in Wild cat canyon. And you don't want to climb. It crumbles. And we are trying to preserve that place. It was native land.
I've walked those trails at least 50 times in my life. And yes I've gone off the paths. And yes I've slipped on sand and broke an ankle.
Go to Matthiessen state park. They really don't care if you climb all over. And it's pretty fun and the ground is much more sturdy.
Thanks for the suggestion I just like climbing is all and I got duped into believing there was legitimate rock climbing there
I grew up in that area. It’s popular but sadly people don’t respect the park or rules. But I have seen so many just like you two who think they can scale the limestone then die. Trust me it’s very slippery when wet and covered in moss. The guards are there to protect people from falling who are to foolish not to stay on the trails
I didn't die though cause I'm not built like other people
I must go at best times... never crowded. Really good state park is down by Anna Illinois... cobden.
@@fringetravelkeep thinking that all it takes it once. You are young and feel invincible but one mess up and you’re fucked
Pretty sure most of those people were probably nicer than you
probably
I didnt see these boys litter so, no.
There's places in the park where if you slip off a cliff and somebody doesn't report it, you may never be found. But every year at least a couple goobers fall down 100-200 ft. usually killed.
Im a goofy goober yeah. Were all goofy goobers yeah. Goofy goofy goobers yeah
They pull people out of the park all the times for not following the rules. If you fall in certain areas you are animal food they won’t get you or can’t get you.
Bellyaching and complaining about all the foot traffic all the while YOU guys are there, too. Did you think the park was created just for your enjoyment?
No but it should be
it was created so people like you would never be found again.....sasquatches are out there
I appreciate you pointing out the trash. Its disgusting that people expect others to pick up their garbage, which frequently just blows off somewhere and doesn't get picked up. Plastics and fabric with plastics in them, don't biodegrade...they just break down into smaller and smaller pieces of plastic.
Pack out all your own trash folks, leave no trace. That goes for in cities too. Stop littering.
We aren't 🐑 around here. You Barely even scratched the surface on what you can see or do at starved rock. Please Don't let this young goof ball discourage you starve rock IS an amazing place to visit.
The whole idea of going to a park is getting away from as many people as possible. Weekends are a definite no go for most Illinois state parks, so I go on a Tues or weds if possible. You have to start at sunrise (park open) to get best experience.
i think we went on a monday which was the surprising part
Looks amazing to me.
maybe you should go there and be amazed irl then
Don't get me started on the trash. I've been involved in several trash pickup days in the park, and it gets more discouraging every time.
Well it's a native American site ..to been seen not touched ..here's a tip ...don't like it go to mattheson state park and fyi Wisconsin sucks 😂
@K L lol well I'm sure it's nice and all but when a person from Wisconsin comes to Illinois crying they hate it ..expect a reflection of those words lmao ..no harm no foul on my opinion
@K L I'm from new Orleans camping and hunting ..that's an amazing thing man enjoy that and be safe
There's no rock climbing because the entire park is St. Peter sandstone which is extremely soft brittle and slippery so it's extremely dangerous
"This park sucks- it's pretty interesting don't get me wrong- but this park sucks..."
So does your negative comments
i think you wrong, perhaps even slightly ill in the head, however i am willing to discuss
I like Starved Rock. I was para phrasing the guys on the video that they both complimented and then insulted the park and were negative and ungrateful. That's why my comment is in quotes.
Whiner.....
Pussy...
Starved Rock is much safer to be at than down town Chicago with all the shootings and gangs and stuff
fax but its pretty unlikely you will be victim of gang attack in grant park
You guys should check out matthison state park it’s around starve rock
yeah, i never go to starved rock anymore. mathison or however you spell it is better.
Dude you are wrong we have many state Parks. And starv rock is amazing If you know how to get around. Yes it sucks that you can't go off trails but many have died not following the rules. I have a cousin that fell and died. If you want to do your own thing go to buffalo rock or mathesin Park. Or go down south to the garden of the gods. You Will Love that place. Just respect the forest or she will kick your butt. Be careful for snakes.
This has been my go to state park for decades as we live a half hour east of there. Sadly it’s been continually more and more restrictive for off trail hiking because so many folks have gone to unsafe means to get a selfie and have died… so now it is what it is. That along with Illinois underfunding their state parks, the place can be a trashy crowded mess at times. We only go on the weekdays to avoid the madness
Illinois has some other decent state parks, better imo, but they are a drive from your neck of the woods. I’ll take your Wisconsin state parks any day though. You gotta pay to get in but they are much better with crowds and maintenance
You went during summer and covid. Probably the busiest it can be there. Fall is the best.
Yea timing could not have been worse. In due time we will give starved rock another go and post an updated video
Well i think you might wanna look up the amount of rescues done on the past 3 years from people going off trails. Its not the best view for your 10 year old to see a dumbass splattered on the bottom because of climbing off trails.
ok e lang
Watching this back for the first time in a while and reflecting on it, starved rock is not a complete shizhole. We went on a really busy day during early covid times and seeing that many people was not only annoying but kind of concerning at the time. Starved rock is a really cool site for Illinois and being as close to Chicago as it is. I sort of went in comparing it to much better parks in better states, ultimately setting the bar too high. Ive heard from a bunch of people (in person and in comments) though that there are more remote spots away from the crowds, so we will be sure to return in the near future. With that said don't let this video stop you from going here, just learn from our mistakes and avoid the main paths.
Honestly i haven't been on the paths all cause of covid. But trust the campsites has something better to offer. I gey bubbles machine and speaker and definitely chill!
Karen alert
@@mr.b3168 karens are the fuckers that walk on the shitty paths and yell at people for cocking about too close to a cliff. By that definition, Karens are just one of the types of people this video seeks to publicly loathe.
theres a few parks right next to starved rock that are way better and less crowded. you can actually go down into the canyons at those ones.
@@bevrosity yeah a lot of people commented about those so maybe well give them a visit one day
the paths you are walking on are the old ones. By the way you have documented yourself commiting a state crime and posted it on you tube. Hope conservation police contact you soon,
It's been two years and they haven't done anything... probably too busy stopping real crimes like shootings and carjackings
also you should go to st. louis canyon. its the area where the starved rock murder took place at and at winter it has a frozen waterfall which is also beautiful
If you don’t like it and don’t want to follow the rules Don’t come Back
We will come back stronger than ever!!
You 100% can go in the water. Ive never had an issue. Also pro tip dont go to the state park territory. Google maps or Reddit other spots
It is a shame how much trash is around but I love the history of starved rock so much beauty and Tragedies in the same place! The name it’s self one native tribe starved or caused the members of another tribe to jump to their death and then the lovers leap was a true Romeo and Juliet story and then there is the 1960 murders whose accused murder was released from jail last year staying in Chicago!! I like how daring you guys are
Teach liberals not to litter.
Who are you corona jeff? Just enjoy the damn park
quien es corona jeff
corona jeff is my favorite superhero
You didn't even do all canyons in starved rock and yeah it's crowded by the parking lot but the further east you go it's gets better and beautiful. You seriously need to explore more and do more research
Thanks for the recommendation I do believe starved rock and Mathissen deserve a better look than given in this video
I definitely can feel the disappointment you guys must've felt when finding out you can't climb there. Being a climber myself, same thing happened to me too when someone told me you can climb the rocks there during the 1st time I visited Starved Rock only to find out you can't climb there. Just like you said, they really don't care if you climb the rocks in Wisconsin. It's part of the reason why I love Devil's Lake State Park in Wisconsin so much! I go there to climb the rocks all the time and it's so much fun!
Based on the video, it sounds like you guys really love climbing! You guys should do a climbing video at Devil's Lake if you ever go during the summer months! I would totally watch that! You guys seem like some pretty cool dudes to go climbing rocks with! I would totally go climbing with guys like you!
Are the rocks that you typically climb on crumbly limestone?
@@georgesimon1760 Normally they’re not
🤯
Maybe it's for your safety dumbass.
The statement! Lol.. I had to click the video!
Thanks for watching!
It looked like a Walmart parking lot when you pulled in. What time of year is this?
lol couldn’t have said it better. I think this was early to mid june so not even like peak season yet
I like starved rock park is not for everyone this park is good for beginners for hiking the only thing I hate is seeing garbage in trail u see some bottles or potatoes chip bag smh
Do you even know the history behind starved rock I? I am honestly offended, and you didn’t take the time to clearly visit Matheissin
Wtf u think this is; a Nat Geo film?
They wanted peeps to cover their face OUTSIDE? 😳🤯
Absolutely dumb.
If you did, that's all on whoever.
You don't have to or had to, ever.
Its a pretty nice quiet park when nobodys there
Go when it's cold, covid is a CROCK
Yes! Proven masks are worse for your health... but he's just a kid. I do get though how he was concerned about school. That too is a lie, pcr tests lie. You can pick up anything in your body with those. But people are really just stuck with how evil adults are who make rules concerning covid.
Rise up youth! It's your future!
What was the reason to post it ?
video of kids complaining. this is almost as bad as walking through the crowds.
why'd you watch it then dipshit
Which places do you guys recommend at Wisconsin? And do the state parks have a lodge or cabins for rent? I'm not really into walking a lot, but I do enjoy getting away from the city every now and then.
Devils lake is a big one of similar popularity to starved rock. No clue about lodging cause I usually sleep inside a log or dig a small hole to burrow in
@@fringetravel Devil's Lake is very crowded on weekends just like Starved Rock. You may wait a while at the entrance gates (North and South). That being said, I grew up just south of Devil's Lake and the park is an oasis of beauty. I avoid going there on the weekend, though. There are resorts style places north of there in Wisconsin Dells. Otherwise there are just simple hotel chains in the city nearby in Baraboo. There are no cabins just camping at Devil's Lake.
There is 132 state parks in Illinois
What a bunch of sniveling. For Christ’s sake, it’s posted all over on the website: NO ROCK CLIMBING. I’d advise you to come back and ice climb it in the winter, but I bet you don’t have anything but a set of draws.
I am surprised you know how to find a website given your antiquated diction.
@@fringetravel LOL. You got me! But honestly, the ice is incredible there. They closed the rock in the mid 90s following an accident and the rising threat of bolted routes. Here and there, high on the wall you still might find an old piton from the early days (60s and 70s or even earlier). Devil’s Lake is still the best for trad in the area. Stay safe out there. There’s not a lot of us old climbers around anymore. (But, I still bet I’m right about those draws!)😏
You should go there with your parents.
They didn't want to go cause they already knew it sucked
You both sound very immature. It helps to do some history and a little bit of digging before you get to a place like starved rock starved rock is beautiful and dangerous.
Yea we were i like just graduated high school when i made this lmao
@@fringetravelIt shows lol
Future rock-roids who need to be carried out who thought parqor on sandstone was cool...Dude!
are you even speaking English rn?
@@fringetravel let me clear it up for ya dumb dumb. I grew up in Utica, my father was the Lt. Fireman in town and every year there were alot of people with your same mindset of lets go climb the rocks. Well most of them died or ended up cripple. We in town called said tourists ROCK-ROIDS. Everytime in the summer when the fire horn went off..We will say " yep, another Rock-roid fell off a cliff".
@@injerin3705 thanks for clarifying your local aboriginal dialect
@@fringetravel your welcome. I wouldn't want any concrete urban jungle mites to get hurt being out of thier Starbuck haven.
@@injerin3705 what about this video made people think I am from Chicago? I would never live in such a cesspool ruled by a racist frog looking mf
Longboarding in Chicago fits you guys a lot better than walking a trail, stick with that instead nancies
not sure what you mean cause we were pennyboarding. They are actually quite short.
We planned on camping at Starved Rock next fall and watched a couple videos on it. First one gave it a 10 out of 10, then there was your video - which we loved! Thanks for the laughs and you have a new subscriber. Keep us entertained brother! I love your replies to the negative comments. Consider us fans😁 we still plan on camping there next fall
Thanks for the support, I'm glad you understand our sense of humor!
The little town of Utica just north of the bridge is really cool. Its literraly right there. Street closed off, has nice shaded seating to eat & listen to music. Joy n eds has the biggest piece of fried cod & so tasty. On same street Jaimies outpost parlor. So cool. Food , live music every weekend. Huge beautiful covered deck.
October lots of events!
I live in the Chicago area (south burbs), and I've been thinking of visiting Starved Rock in August. I've never been. Last summer I went to Brown County state park in Indiana. It was beautiful. We hiked & did some kayaking.
It's been about a yr since you made this video. Do you have different opinions than you did then, considering everything that was going on then?
Thnx 🙏🏾
thanks for the very genuine comment. I haven't been back to starved rock since this video, but given this was only a couple months into the pandemic our views on the number of people there are a lot more critical than they should be. But to be safe, I would assume that any time you go to starved rock in the summer it's going to be pretty packed, but that doesn't mean it's not worth it because it's still a decent park in terms of its geography. That being said, a lot of people have commented to go in the winter when fewer people are there so maybe that's the way to do it. Still, there are some aspects of the park such as the excessive use of paved paths and boardwalks or the fact that there is some type of restaurant in the park that make me not really like this place. In short, it's very overdeveloped and over-visited, but I still think it's a neat place for geography given its proximity to Chicago
@@fringetravel thanks for the quick reply.
You 2 guys must be lightweights. I've been going to those parks since the early 70s. That whole area is made of sandstone, so it holds moisture more, making it more slippery & therefore more dangerous. All those ppl are the reason why the wooden walkways _ decks, etc. we're built. So much erosion cause stone is so soft. If you ever needed help you'd be glad for all those ppl. As someone else stated, try it in the fall with autums colorful blanket on the forest. Good luck. 🙏👍
This park isn’t the worst
Actually though correct due to politics things suck here in many areas. But though i disagree Starved Rock sucks. Matthieson State Park though the stairs is unbearable for me and my family though good for others, that park has better waterfall. And down in the canyon of it. Much more beautiful and there is other sections to starved Rock we did see a great waterfall in Starved Rock in one of the sections got to walk some and that but it was big waterfall, and great and many were swimming in the pool below.
There is also the beautiful Alton area, Dixson Springs State park we gonna see in July. It looks beautiful there is many state parks. Just they use Starved Rock as the main one . Many people just have to look outside the box. Though Starve Rock is awesome i found though the steps are terrible wear you out for most like me and many when i was there at Matthieson State Park down the road from Starved Rock. It was a better beautiful park than Starved Rock , they call it the baby brother to Starved though to me much more beautiful.
But there is many beautiful spots Garden of the Gods, Cave in Rock, Many areas of Shawnee State park, Dixon Springs State park. Some back beautiful scenic ones in around the Ozark,IL area i havent seen but beautiful. Cypress tree area we gonna see. there many beautiful scenery alover the s state of Illinois just their underrated or not known as much. Illinois really beautiful when know where things are by search. But compared to other states it maybe a nothing burger. But dont mean their not great just many are ignored or underrated. Like those i mention.
Same as beautiful small communities with cool things to see. Alton,IL, Chester,IL. Nauvoo,IL Metropolis,IL which going in July. Galena,IL Greenup,IL alot of history alot of interesting places. But as in beauty, from what i saw in Wisconsin and how it ran for now. That is better than IL. But dont mean IL isnt beautiful.
Your negativity is so un cool.....
Covid took a toll on everyone's health.... both physically and mentally
So I don't go to the Rock anymore. To many stay on trail signs and board walks. BUT 1978 I was 12 lived in Utica on canal street. Back then the Rock was awesome. Still is far from the worse park by far. Next time go to the circle. If you don't know where and more importantly the circle and what it's for then you don't know the Rock. Besides it's more like 3 parks all big a few miles from each other.
Were definitely gonna take another look at this region sometime, because I know we missed out on some really cool areas and accidently stuck to the overly dense areas.
I just noticed your reply. I'm buzy in my game forge of empires. Anyway that sounds very cool. I'll hit the bell on the way out. I'm sure you could be good at this once your find your true north star as they say.
Over by the lodge near the canyon, if you look off the bridge in the canyon there is so much trash, food containers, bags, even a basketball and a doll
I AM FROM THERE AND MANY HAVE FALLEN TO THEIR DEATH.
I prefer matthison because it tends to be a little less crowded due to less name recognition and is more or less the same thing. But even then the last time I was there some dip shit carved a bunch of Q-Anon graffiti onto like every flat surface they could find
yeah lot of urban bone heads attracted to that region
i think now in days its all every where trash we need to educated our future kind to prevent this
This is one interesting Park guys of course Johnson Shut N's State Park in the Ozark region in Southeast Missouri is still king compared to this park.
@Brad B. Thats true.
Hey guys Chicago is worse them starved rock Chicago 10 starved rock 1
okay- i understand that starved rock doesnt offer going everywhere throughout the park... but its there to enjoy the beauty of nature. i love starved rock with all my heart. if
you dont want to be there while its packed then go there in the winter. its also vv beautiful after it snows.
Thanks for the suggestion
It is a popular park, and somewhat near chicago
Yes it is terrance
LMAO
Did you guys happen to bump into Aiden Pearce?
Stay off the rocks. I climbed up a mossy canyon wall once. Slipped and fell to my death.
hate to see it. sorry for your loss
starved rock is trash for sure, however right down the street is Mathiesen state park with canyons to hike and a waterfall and pool like thing you can swim in. also, fuck is that lady yelling at you for you minded your business 💀💀. but good content bro, im definitely subbing.
Yeah we were definitely in the lame touristy spot and have to go back and see the good stuff, so might be a part 2...
I appreciate the support tho man!
Should be able to climb there, ppl climb on sandstone all the time
There have been numerous deaths due to people slipping by going off the course
thats what ropes are for
It's whack that this video has so many dislikes. Good info to have and def listening to the advice of these smart young men. Non mask wearers especially from six months ago? So many dumb ass people in this world. Will be watching more of your vids boys..keep it up!
Thank you for the support! The same people who think it's fun to walk on a boardwalk with a thousand other people are the ones who disliked the video, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Uneducated about masks. But like many. I'm glad they were grossed out by the trash. That's a turn off. I don't see trash. But I'm a local & I know spots to get in.... bypass alot. Unfortunately, if you really want the best info.... they should have had a sandwich in Utica, right there.... talk to the locals. That's where all the good info is.
@@fringetravel your whole video is like listening to a whiney child. The park is awesome
@@jamesleach1374 Mr. leach, just because your wife's boyfriend hasn't let you visit other parks does not make this one objectively remarkable.