Why Don't More People Play Castilla?
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the tier 9 ship of the line feels so bad with a gigantic citadel and what feels like zero armor
I love seeing that ship broadside, its a free kill
@@AH-64E_apache lmao yes
I devstruck one on release day, a minute or two into the match. That poor sod just spent a lot of money on that and I just took him out like that.
But it's contradicting what they said high level citadel protection from Andalucia.
you get that with most cruisers, it’s not really a surprise. it’s genuinely nice, and the 234mm guns are great from the cataluna
In a world where 18in guns are becoming more and more common, cruisers become less desirable to play
Overmatch is just a bad mechanic honestly..
@@FrostBeam009 it was nice when your only fear was the yamato class of ships, but now we have like 10 battleships that can overmatch 32mm and more that can overmatch 30mm and 31mm. I can see weegee eventually having to buff crusiers across the board because of overmatch
@@Dragonwolf920 Yeah, it's getting a little nuts.
@@Dragonwolf920WG buff cruisers? Lol. They're literally here as overmatch food to keep BB players playing.
"fighting is funner than hiding, Red" says the enemy sub player hiding underwater mhmm
I notice that too and it bothers tf outta me
You hit the nail on the head with your guess as to why it’s not played very much. It essentially behaves like an Azuma - if you play in close then you will just die. Problem is, to do any damage you are required to play close. It just doesn’t feel good to play because you’re punished for doing what the guns want you to do, but the hull doesn’t (and vice-versa)
You dont have to get that close with the high tier spanish cruisers. Their main battery is quite effective even on longer ranges with th AP pen and the shell speed is quite good, so aiming is also not an issue.
Same. I agree with this and why I stopped playing this ship.
What I found most annoying about this ship is it has an almost 10km air detect... When you are in a CV game, getting spotted from the moon is very enjoyable.
When in a cv game the game isn’t enjoyable anyway. Kill the carrier kill the sub. Fun starts
I also wondered about this and was quite surprised reading the comments. Either people don't like Castilla or they do but call the spanish CAs a "hard grind". Honestly for me, this line was one of the most comfortable to play since... maybe the italians? The dutch and pan american were also nice but they basically tell you how to play the ship. With the spanish you can choose what to do, according to the situation in battle (except when there is a CV or a sub of course). So with dutch and pan-am CAs, I would play quite aggressive which is awesome but can lead to premature hull desintegration if you have no support. I find that with the spanish you do not have to pray for support as much and after the T5 (being citadelled by DDs with HE sucks) I really, REALLY enjoyed that line.
Just as a small explanation why some bugs might not be getting fixed (even if they're real bugs, not "feels like a bug, but just bad RNG"), while sub/CV bugs are.
CV and sub code is new, and the people fixing the bugs are probably the ones that wrote the code. But surface ship code is old and the engine is even older.
If some bugs were in the game from the beginning (we just started noticing them now), the people who were writing those features are long gone (left the company, but some probably did die). If the lock-on bug is a networking bug (say, packet loss) or an engine bug, good luck fixing it -without deep research- .
Legit almost every "aiming bug" that people have complained about in the past couple of years, have all been tied to one of the games core mechanics and have been around since at LEAST 2017 when I started playing. That core mechanic being the aim assist. It's always been buggy and broken, it's just one of the quirks of the game, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional so they could use it being broken to help balance the game.
Another thing to add on why they may not be getting fixed, fixing them may cause a much larger issue to pop up. That's why some games keep long standing bugs is that fixing them creates a larger bug that's even worse. People seem to have the weird idea of game code, and code in general that it's super easy to work on(it can be but that entirely depends on if the original writer left notes and didn't use variable names that make no sense) and that any intern could be made fix this stuff. When that is FAR from the truth, a lot of the time fixing a long standing bug in a game as large as Warships can take months to years to even FIND the bug in the code, forget fixing it in that time, because lets be fair. Fixing a bug that has existed in the game likely since the alpha and players were on the whole perfectly okay with until very recently is a low priority thing. I imagine if it does ever get fixed it will be a devs weekend project more than a concerted effort to actually fix the aim assist.
Since I got the Castilla I hardly ever play it as it's just a very painful experience compared to other far more fun to play ships.
19:01 "insert des moines here"
short answer: Napoli
long answer: you have a long grind with some very fragile ships, where the line gimmick isn't like the Pana-Americans where you can kind of get away with being an idiot. Meanwhile, you can get Napoli essentially for free, with similar guns, better armor, better(?) torps, SAP secondaries that actually do things, and a get-out-of-fuckups free exhaust smoke, while if you get caught out in Castilla you're very likely to die. Pretty much the only thing Castilla does better is longer range artillery support and maybe burst damage on a fragile cruiser/low HP DD.
OK but Napoli guns have zero output. Not to mention the weird dispersion curve that harms her damage even more. She's very good, impossible to kill and a brawling menace... But the comparison to Castilla makes little sense. Castilla should be compared to Henri.
@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to you realize Napoli and this ship share the exact same cannons right? Comparing these guns to HIV is even worse since HIV has outright better pen and can citadel bbs while overmatching more and having higher fire chance and overall damage
@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to AMEN !
I love my Castilla and play it a lot. I use the burst fire as a way to blast and go dark. I think that the other ships on of the line are not strong so the grind is hard. Maybe that is why you don't see Castilla in a lot of battles.
Burst fire as a finishing move is great. Too many ships always seem to go dark at the last second but smart use of the burst really pays off.
This is my point an earlier post. A burst at range then you can go dark. Wait for the good shot and burst again. Once the reds are whittled down. Close and use the burst to delete ships. Just don't think many players have figured this out.
I will play it as soon as i finish grinding it out. Very excited.
I gave up after the Cataluña because I've been playing cruisers for to long and needed a change. Definitely on my list! Good video as usual!
Have to say, props to your Minegumo at the start - guns blazing away at Petro. He definitely wasn't dropsynced with "oh hey pq, didn't notice you there" 🤣
Spain has some of my favorite ships! I'm glad you showed this. The burst fire is difficult to get used to (for me).
Honestly, if aim bugs were gone and people started taking 50% more citadels...what would that do to game balance? There are as always a lot of issues to consider, especially when dealing with an ancient game architecture and already tenuous game balance.
With overmatch how it is, any more accuracy to BBs would be catastrophic to cruiser gameplay. Any real gunnery changes would likely require a complete gameplay overhaul, which is NOT going to happen in this lifetime.
Looks like an interesting ship, though. Haven't played the line yet.
Its just a big cruiser with 30mm armor so it gets point and clicked by battleships.
I even like the tier 7 ship of this line, good ships if you dont get focused or caught broadside. Working my way up to this ship.
playin Henri just feels better
I love the Castilla. One thing I like to do against battleships at range is to regular fire HE, wait for them to damage control the fire, then fire a regular salvo before using the funny button. I usually get a few perma-fires doing that
Us Blitz players are about to get the Spanish cruisers. Very excited for this line.
Castilla is my first tier X cruiser and i got her 3 days ago and love her in asymm
In the first 30 seconds you demonstrated why lmao
Love the Castilla. Still gotta not give broadsides and manage the burst fire. Smashing cruisers & dd's and even low health bb's.
Generally because in randoms your experience is matchmaking dependent. There are not many opportunities to push in and make use of this ships aggressive traits in randoms.
Most of the time you HE spam and do chip damage to battleships who overmatch you. From Max range. So you have this slow boring gameplay loop till late game when there is an opportunity to push in and absolutely surprise a target which is where shis ship shines.
I have a feeling we'll see more of it now that you and Mountbatten made videos about it.
Great video Potato. 👍
Question: What do you mean by “Lighthouse Build”? Thanks.
Lighthouse mean to abuse 4th tier commander skills that let let have shorter reload cooldown when enemy ships in normal spotting range.
@@RinKiShiZiKa Thank you for the explanation Rin.
@@RinKiShiZiKa You forgot to add the important part of your detection being increased to a ludicrously high amount when you do that, hence the name.
With how powerful carriers and subs are at the higher tiers, I'm not really surprised that people don't want to play mid range cruisers anymore. Hopefully War Gambling has realized people are fed up with how powerful cvs and subs have gotten and are making a change, but I doubt it. Keep up the great work on these videos. Since I quit the game a few months back this is the only warships gameplay I'm going to see.
they released a dev blog a while back with changes to cvs and, essentially, they completely gutted cv spotting. so its a step in the right direction at least
step in the right direction? How is making an entire class blind and unable to do anything useful? I admit that cv is powerful and possible subs too but making subs unable to defend themslves at close range and making cvs stumble around like Velma without her glasses is a poor way to do that.
A better solutions is less damage from cvs and better AA.
@@thelonelyturkey7902 cv spotting completely kills torpedoboat dds.
Using Spanish burst against Sub and CV is pure fun, it is as fun as using SAP to show them who's the boss.
then they should have better AA. So the CV does not ha e the incentive to wipe them. Ive played all classes. I am agreeing there are problems but taking away class vision or making them literally helpless is not the solution.
I've seen plenty of skilled Torp DD players dodge my attacks or plan ahead of the CV to make themselves harder to find by not being so predictable.
The entire line is strong atlases from the tier 7 and up but the armor in them is 30 mm and I think that off puts alot of people when they compare it to a Napoli or some other tanks cruisers
I felt that unfortunately for the Castilla the grind up the tiers was actually pretty good , there were no painfully bad ships a long the way so by the time I got to the tier 10 I was like "oh thats that done then" , where as normally I can get to t10 fast enough just to get through horrid 8's and 9's
Not sure, but I see the Castilla a lot on the EU server. Personally I never played it, but its more because I never see this ship as a threat to me as a main Meckle player. Means: No threat = not worth to get.
Regarding to border mechanics: It seems that secondaries are fixed to follow the path of a ship correctly. At least from my observation as BB secondaries user. And the rest is just personal aiming skills to hit these ships in the border. No problems either in this case. I think the border is more like a disadvantage for everyone trying to use its mechanics, at least from my point of view.
And to your Mecklenburg enemy at 15:13 - Never use AP on small shaped cruiser stirn- or bowtanking on you! ALWAYS use HE and you kill them 100% of the time. AP is only for BBs and Cruiser broadsides (also BBs superstructure and DDs are fine with AP). So you only lived,. because he didn't play right against you.
Grinding these cruisers currently and i enjoy them so far. At T7 currently. The T6 was painful, but the T5 felt a lot better. At least that's the way I remember it. Maybe it was the other way around.... Anyway
But I agree, you don't see many Castilla but i think it will be fun to play. The burst is really nice to snapshot a lot of damage.
I don't play Castilla much because I already have Conde, burst fire doesn't feel like worthy of grind for me.
Would love to see Izumo on the Channel. I dont see it very often and wondering how it is doing in 2024
i really like the doublefire for punishing bad DCP usage
maybe just have overmatch damage do 50%? i agree overmatch needs to exist but at the same time is pretty devastating when you get (un)lucky
I dont know, I play this boat fairly often, and do alright in it. I do use the brust fire on almost every shot, just more rounds on target and the potential for wrecking an opponent, and the reload is only about 3 seconds longer than firing 2 regular salvos, and really painful on DDs. But to each his own I guess.
I found this line very similar to the Zao line, but with better reload and torp angles up the line. And the funny button that can really help in the right situations. I quite enjoyed this one.
From what ive heard.
The engine warships is using was originally supposed to be an engine for an online MMO. Not clear on which MMO or if the MMO it was built for ever came to pass (most likely not) But that was what the engine was originally built for.
The code has obviously been heavily butchered and the many people who worked on it have come and gone but the engine itself has things it cant do given its age and what it was originally designed for.
So there are bugs and anomalies with the game that will never be fixed or patched out because Its just how the engine works.
I've also heard that the game engine, though heavily modified, is now 20+ years old.
Castilla is the embodiment of the playstyle i love the most, sadly the viability is kinda lacking due to the current meta as you said in the video. It's one of my go to picks for ranked tho, playing agressive and getting burst salvos on DDs early on or flanking the enemy cruisers can lead to some insane impact on those smaller matches. WEEGEE, PLEASE BUFF DECK AND ARMOR BELT TO 32MM!!
Its the overmatch and range 100% when there are so many other better ships for the meta and the range that meta lives in right now
I love fr*nch heavy(ier) cruisers, I grinded out castila hoping for similar experience with the big guns+burst fire (and because I got numancia from xmas boxes). While I am pretty consistent with marseille, castila has not been nearly as fun. I don't know if it's the speed boost making that difference, the bigger guns or just the moments where you hit 4 overpens from a full broadside burst but the spanish top tier just doesn't work for me
I just know that the spanish line around tier 3-5 can get citadeled with cruiser and sometimes destroyer HE.
I'm not sure how far that weakness goes into higher tier.
They trade that for being smashed by any BB with guns above 380, but that's just average cruiser armor at high tier these days
I have the Castilla, and frankly I find it to be a better than average Cruiser. But I have noticed a condition with the matchmaker every time I play this ship, that is quite off-putting. And I should add, that this isn't a one off, it happens all the time for months now. I may be having a great day on WoWS, but the moment I select Castilla, I get matched with a team that either gets wiped out in the first five minutes doing dumb stuff, or spend the whole game arguing with each other. Just last Saturday, I chose the Castilla, and half my team yolo'd to their deaths in less than 5 minutes, while two other "teammates" spend the whole game shooting at each other and calling each other inappropriate names.
I like the Castilla, but not at the cost of attracting these kind of teammates.
The more you play this line, you can feel that how strong are those high speed bb or other cruiser with special angled ap is. The brust fire also not feel that good, if that guy have play Conde.
Funny, I just bought this ship tonight. It seems pretty solid just like you said so I to wondered why you don't see many. I think it's because the burst fire doesn't seem as obviously powerful as something like radar or smoke. Also, I find it hard to use well. However, I find the range to be decent, way better than 16 km Smolensk or 18km Salem or Des Moines. I find the guns to decently powerful and accurate, and like you said decently maneuverable. Solid but not exciting.
i’ve been enjoying the t8-9, grinding for the castilla, the guns have a great reload and good accuracy, but yea the range is crippling and it manoeuvres like a brick but is otherwise fine
I think Castila is a great ship. I find the HE to be pretty solid. Decent fire chance with 42mm of pen. The AP is fantastic but need to use it correctly. German BBs take tons of damage in the superstructure. Not uncommon to do 8-10k. British BBs can get slapped even out to 20km. I have cracked yamny at 15km with this ship and cit an ohio at 12km. Other than the improved angles, you basically have no leg mod petro AP
The tier Spanish ninja cruiser is a lot of fun to play
Well Flamu posted a video showing the aiming bugs which has more frustrating in bb brawls when firing all guns at once.
Ship feels pretty good, it's a great utility ship
Entire line has 'shoot here' marks by flags and big unprotected citadel
I heard that the engine that they use is from when world of warcraft first made its appearance. I think it might even be that same engine but modified a bit. Then again i havent fact checked this just heard this a little while ago. However if thats the case they use an artifact as an engine for wows...
I mean Henri is just outright better imo.
If you want that quick fire gimmick, Henri’s reload booster is better and it doesn’t leave you with a battleship reload after using it.
Honestly I think it's a line that most people don't identify with very much. Plus the game generally moves more and more to life being harder for cruisers - they have citadels, lots of 18" guns, subs, CVs with their aaa being nerfed. all in all cruiser particularly light cruiser life is difficult.
She’s on my to do list but I stalled out at T6. That thing explodes if ANYTHING looks at it.
Please do Hindenburg. Not seeing this ship anymore in randoms
True, I used to really love the Hindy but it's quite painful to play these days with all the very large calibre battleship guns at tier 10/11.
LOL at chat at 2.20 😂
This ship makes a cool promise then fails to deliver.
It is a ship that needs to have a DD friend for spotting.
I have had many games where the dispersion is pinpiont amazing in Castilla
Full Ap Zao, the Assassin of cruisers when?
I like that ship.. most tier 9 crusers are no better than the tier 8's or worse... the tier 8 is a truly good ship.
Great Video PQ
I was in your 1st match
Its just a normal cruiser...you can play Hindy, Henry or pretty much any other T10 30mm armor cruiser and results will be +- the same...
Pretty much this, ship just feels so vanilla
Because people only think 'meta meta meta' and not on 'wait this thing has burst & more pen than conde'. Carried alot with this in clan battles since its design is close to napoli.
The Spanish grind is much more difficult with low level captains, very few premiums to help train them up… really nice line to play, very balanced, maybe just not seen as OP or overly gimmicky (looking at you Pan-American and Dutch)…
Day 27 waiting for Patrie secondary build.
Hope he uses IFHE
@@sliceofcheese8360 yeah I hope so too lol
I second this
I would love to grind this line but unfortunately I need low tier pre ship to train captain. That's why I acoid this line.
Hello @PotatoQuality, man thats soo funny you brought this Ship up cause this is My 2nd time Reseting the line for RB-points. I like the line(disclaimer Co-op main here). Thank you PQ, great content!.
"Why dont people people play more (insert cruiser xy)?"
The answer is almost always the same. WG went completely nuts with their monster battleships since years now. These BBs are just completely superior picks over most cruisers. Featuring insane speed, overmatch, great conceal, no citadel, armor and better means to deal with CVs and Subs. Thats why most cruisers just arent worth playing anymore.
What does Castilla better than St. Vincent? Right. Nothing.
the u4501 in 2nd game complaining your team is hiding too much is.....ironic to say the least lol
The Gimmick doenst save the ship as a ok valid - you loose to much for the gimick. So many options that are way easier to play or depends on the playstile more dangerous
its a great ship that doesnt fit into the meta of a chaotic 12v12 game where most people just play at long range, i think it can be pretty good in ranked tho
I thought the t8 was ok, but over all found the line a bit gimmicky. I much prefer the French cruisers for their utility and speed and situational dpm boost. And the US ones for the same. I have yet to find another cruiser line that feels as useful and comfortable to play.
It's a modified Napoli, without smoke and secondaries.
Waiting for you playing henri IV
Why I don't play it: Not got perma economic bonus to slot in it; not got a cool promotional perma camo for it; not got a cool weeb / themed commander with unique voicelines for it.
Alternatively I could be playing a tier 10 "special" ship with a 21pt commander, possibly with special skills / talents; or better yet, a T9 premium.
the fire chance is a bit low...every voley u fire its a fire started 😅
I love this ship
Ill be honest part of why I dont play my castilla very much is that it is at the *complete* end of my ship carousel lol
The issue is why play the Spanish Napoli, when you have Napoli. Your pretty much forced to play in the same ranges, just Napoli has better survivability and utility
played that ship like 10 games ( im just a 55% potato ) and it felt like minotaur ... maybe I was unlucky but exploding 10 games in a row even with good angling / dodging .. naaaah
Rally for a video on Maja folks. It has no place in this meta and needs some love.
The HE is anemic? I constantly get 10-15 fires every match in this ship....
I like the T9 & 10 Spanish boats, but they're not exceptional (kind of like the Pan-American). When I have access to Petro, DM, Moskva or even Hindi, just not a great reason to go to Castilla unless it's just to play something different.
Ship fatigue. Too many ships and like you said about T10 battles, its too passive and long time players are kinda tired of that maybe?
Honestly I expected the AP to be much better than it actually is. I'd just take marseille over castilla any day
Agreed. If it had improve pen angles or better penetration, it would be much better.
I don't think it's a bad ship, but I also don't take it out very much. The mid tier grind was terrible, the tier VII through IX ships suck in my opinion.
I feel like Spanish cruisers werent as well advertised as other lines were. Plus the fact that it purely relies on her gimmicks. It has that same feeling I have for british CAs and the new Japanese BBs. Too gimmicky and other ships fulfill the roles better.
I'm stuck at T9. Half the time, it works great, and the other is like a terrible CA line. This line had one of the most questionable early access premium camos (art department foul tbh)
Found the T9 really strong in ranked, so try it there whenever it's next T9.
I feel like you can citadel that ship very easily, any of the spain cruisers really
At 7:47 it looks like the dispersion was spot on, but the dd managed to slow down and turn out just in time; you can see the angle of the dd hull relative to the crosshair changing from when the shells are fired to when the shells land.
I do like taking this ship out, semi aggressive is the best way i find to play this ship. BB aggressive and you just blow up, idle farming sim, is boring. zzzz...
What is great is if BBs are broadside to you sub 10k, you just deal 20 - 30k to them and maybe get a few cits depending on the BB.
I just played Castilla in Brawls.. lol. I dont know.. meh ship. I prefer Napoli. :)
The reason is Cataluna is annoying to grind. You just get cockslapped by overmatch everywhere. The massive and exposed citadel doesnt make it better too.
Well, **I've** not been grinding this line because it just doesn't seem particularly interesting. Just very standard cruisers, they have the funnybutton gimmick, sure, but it just seems like a gimmick. Maybe that's hypocritical seeing as I've ground out the Jinan line twice because I like the torpedo-spam, but I don't think I should feel guilty for this.
mid tier grind broke me/ could never activate the special meant just couldnt use equipment. eats damage for breakfast needs to be close... it requires a willigness to bore your opponent to death hugging islands ... id just get bored frustrated make the mistake of tryiung to play and just get dev struck straight out first to die 9/10
I think this ship is a lot of fun but I feel like I'm getting whipped in it fairly reliably. Got like a 43% in it
tahts how WG RNG works, it always did even in WOT. it iwill purposely hit the target even if you dont aim at it and purposely miss the target when you do, not even random chance, its programmed to miss and hit/