Live is cool fot little projects with a nice workflow but when it comes to big projects with ton of tracks, vocal recording, audio editing and mixing cubase is the goat here. I mean live still struggling in plugin delay compensation.
That was I was about to write myself. If not the PDC issue Live would be the best choice. I use live because to me pdc is not that big of the issue so far but I am eagerly waiting for cubase 12 to try the whole version without buying the validation flash drive.
I've downloaded a 90 day trial of Ableton Live 11 because it intrigues me. It's like no other DAW. Everything is just available right there within a click or two. Looking at the manual, I can see why so many become spellbound by it. I'm frustrated as a Reaper user because this is very different on so many levels. It's the only other DAW I'd be willing to put my money down for because It's so different. I just cannot do that with Cubase, ProTools, Logic Pro etc as I can do pretty much all that they offer in Reaper. But Ableton Live, oh boy! That's one grey dame with a different game. I think I'm falling in love again.
Thank you for this. I'm a long time Cubase user, I'm actually happy with it(just upgraded to 12). It's the hardware controllers that are giving me Ableton envy, seamless integration. Cubase is trying to catchup with their remote midi integration but it's had like 6 scripts since it came out.
I did the reverse, I moved from Ableton to cubase becase ARA support in cubase and since i started wiith cubase i have discovered so many nice features that i dont know if i would ever go back.
Over the years Ive had different versions of Ableton on my machines and could never make any sense of the interface. I could, load a pre made demo in, push play and listen. Getting it to do anything other than that I found impossible. So, it was back to Cubase and an interface that visually makes sense to me. Your mileage may vary.
I'm getting familiar with Ableton after recording my last two albums in Cubase. I am going to use it for playing live using session view loops with a Launchpad MkIII controller and Faderport 16 as well as playing live keyboards, drums and guitar.
Nobody mentions this. But, say you want some parallel processing on any track, in cubase you have to open a separate return channel that clutters your mixer view. In live you can use an effect rack inside the track to split the signal in two without adding any new track. That to is a really great feature. Cubase has some killer features as well. Cubase is probably more professional as an audio software...i just find live to be more creative.
Cubase is made to create music too, ableton isnt... ableton is to do live sets using plugins and controllers, cubase is a professional multitrack (not a sequencer as people use to say, FL is a sequencer), you can edit audio, video, do professional masters, but isnt good to play live even if years ago I was playing in Poland, and a guy played live using Cubase, i never saw anything like that and i was really surprised
Cuebase is garbage. If you like punching buttons and staring at the screen for hours and spend more time trouble shooting than making music. Stay away from cuebase if you want to stay happy.
Classically trained strings player who has been starting her journey composing & songwriting in the last two years - I’ve been using Ableton in this time (including scoring an animation) and it was so helpful hearing the frustrations & things you enjoy about each DAW. Thanks for the helpful video!
The best DAW is the one that gets you results! I've been using Cubase for a loooong time. It's pretty darn good for all things midi and I love it, but there's also a shit ton of legacy code and half baked features which make things....annoying.
DAWS are always going to be subjective based on what you're intending to do with them (e.g live instruments, midi, vocals) and what type of music one is looking to make. As somebody who has just got back into production, after several years of a hiatus, my initial 'go to' was Cubase as that is what I know best. Cubase 12 has come a long way since Cubase 5 (the last version I used). Out of curiosity I did the free trial with Ableton 11 - spent about 2 hours trying to self teach and hated every minute of it. The simplest things on Cubase seem to be more effort on Ableton - the latter looks and feels cheaper too. When Ableton started crashing and stuttering for no evident reason, particuarly when adjusting the looping bars, that was enough to call time on the experiment. My CPU & RAM were both under 10% on a brand spanking new custom build PC yet Ableton couldn't function in a stable state - no such issue with Cubase. My CPU is a 18 core/36 thread beast, with 128 GB RAM, that is barely scratched in production - using Ableton made me feel like I was on an old crappy laptop with no juice in the tank. Lots of people love it, so they're clearly doing something right - for me though, I couldn't even contemplate trying to make music on it.
Ableton is not intuitive at all... very complicate, I can't understand how people can use it, Fuity Loops is much better and with an amazing dynamic, but Cubase is the father of all... people doesnt even know that the first version of Cubase was a sequencer as FL was, and people don't even know the real difference between a sequencer and a multitrack because they listened to who said wrong things, starting from who produce those softwares... So Cubase is the best, they made so many unique VST and they invented the VST system so there is nothing to say about it, and is improved a lot with the last updates. Let's talk a bit a bout the difference between a sequencer and a multitrack, because the brands that make software are the first to don't know what they do, and i have to say Steinberg too... So a sequencer, to say it in few poor words, is a software where you mark little boxes to put the sound in, and is called sequencer because is a sequences of little marked and unmarked boxes. The first version of Cubase was exactly like this, and they are the most old softwares from where all others took inspiration. than Cubase changed and started to be the first multitrack, so let's explain what a multitrack is: is a software where you can upload different tracks, as the name said already, and in fact you don't have the little boxes anymore but you could upload the sound directly and any sound would make a new track, thats why is called multitrack, because you can upload multiple tracks... people never think about names, if they would, would have been easy to see what is a sequencer and what a multitrack... nowdays all softwares are wrongly called sequencer, but in fact the only sequencer is FL that improved with a multitrack side too... in the other softwares, including cubase, ableton, pro tools, logic, etc, you have a sequencer only to write VSTs... so when you open a new instrument track and upload a synth, you can write that synth opening a sequencer on the track, and than you can write notes... after said all this, Cubase is still the best software for me, and never forget is a master software that doesnt mean you can do masters on it (ignorant people!), it means it can hosts other softwares inside him, making a new tracks and uploading inside your ableton or your FL, and you will listen what you are making there but inside Cubase... thats be a Master software, don't a slave like Ableton or FL, if you are a Slave (software or not) it would means a lot already wihohut the need to explain more...
So reassuring since I have lately the same doubt if switching to Ableton from Cubase or not. I’m using mostly outboard synths and drum machine, don’t know If this is another plus of using Cubase over Ableton.
@@jhdrummer4815 Well, you could have the power of Cubase, much better than Ableton, but still using Ableton inside of Cubase for what you think is better in the way you work
i love ableton and will gladly hold it over any daw just for its workflow and features. i have adhd and im on the spectrum, so this workflow that has all the things on a set place basically wins it for me. all the other daws I've demo'd had all these different windows in different places and it overwhelmed me. but you pointing out that ableton was unstable, man that cut deep. i have a good enough pc. 16gb ram, ryzen 4 core 12 thread processor. and still I've lost projects due to live randomly crashing on me. im still a hostage of ableton live because i love the way it looks and i love its features that arent available on other daws. that's why im exploring cubase.
I guess it depends on what you are producing. I used Ableton for more than 10 years when I was writing loop based music. But now that I’m doing music for media and film, Ableton doesn’t work that great. I had to use Logic Pro which is great. Ableton has some weird things when it comes to midi routing and audio routing. But it sounds great and makes things fast.
Nothing is best at everything but to some, Getting the idea down faster before losing the motivation/inspiration matters more and this is where Ableton comes in. @@RobErt-mn2lr
I find this interesting. I have recently started using Ableton and I can see alot of uses for it Live. I don't think I will ditch Cubase anytime soon as I find it easier to get an overview over anything in Cubase while Ableton feels dense. Working with video is better in Cubase and the grouping thing.. I never got that. I want to folder things the way that it makes sense in my head, but I create buses based on what I need audio-wise. And those two things are never the same for me. The "control everything" thing in Ableton seems really cool. I fear that I will be running two DAWs in the future... :S
Great video as always! It's funny how I recognize your background and story. I am also an organist, classically trained and now for about ten years making electronic music with Ableton and lately getting into filmscoring. Loving Ableton! But I am seriously considering Cubase because Ableton sucks at working with video.
@@jasoncruizer Ableton isnt latency free.. Monitoring is latency free but you still need to record on seperate channel with monitoring off if you want really be in time.
Bro with Cubase project logical editor I made presets that with one click color my tracks , assign to groups and put in folders. , then with one click after rendering midi to audio for mixing I disable and hide all midi tracks
I use Ableton Live with Push 2 for some quick ideas and Cubase for serious arrangements. Think the arrangement view in Ableton is childish compare to Cubase and the track names fixed at the right in Live limited, because you can't create your own work space with the track names to the left side. The most distracting thing I experience in Live 11 is the fact that I can not open plugins on multiple tracks at the same time and in Cubase you can.
@@AllmedialabNl pretty sure you can but can’t double check at the moment! I’ve definitely had stuff open on the master track and another track at the same time with those preferences.
Being a long time user of both i totally agree with Ableton being the more inspiring DAW. Thing is, when it comes down to stability, doing projects with video and deadlines and some serious mixing, i found out the hard way that Ableton just does not come close. I enjoy it more like an instrument, and use Cubase as a gathering station to put it all together. My biggest frustration is the everlasting nagging question which daw i should get to know better. The fact that i use both is holding me back from getting to know one of them inside out ;) Does that feel familiar to you in any way?
I agree 100%. Sadly, I feel like it wouldn’t take much in the way of updates for Ableton to check all of the boxes for me, but making it a dependable daw for scoring just doesn’t seem to be high in their list of priorities. It makes sense as it wasn’t designed for that, but as someone who really enjoys the workflow I would love to be able to use it for everything. One workaround for the second issue is changing Cubase key commands to mimic Ableton’s (unfortunately you can’t set up custom key commands as such in Live). This way you can learn Ableton inside/out and at least wouldn’t be totally lost when going back to Cubase. I’ve found it to be helpful.
I’d love to see frame nudging and more options for different frame rates. And once you’ve used Cubase’s time warp tool, it’s hard to go back to sliding around a tempo map manually to hit your marks. It’s a picky thing but is a major time suck when you already have a tool that can do it much more efficiently.
I am in same problem of switching DAWs. I love Cubase but it's lacking in the area of beatmaking which keeps me going back to fl studio. Everytime cubase gets updated, I pray they get to implement a good step sequencer so I can finally let fl studio go.
Thinking of switching too...I've used protools, cubase, studio one and reason but I like the layout and GUI simplicity of Live - a lot less cluttered than the previously mentioned and they were the first to do things a little differently than the linear DAWs...dare I say 'game-changer' I you will...Oh I forgot to say maybe Cubase 13 will lean into more Ableton territory.
I'm in studio one right now (cause cubase doesn't offer a subscription model) and one thing I really miss from ableton is that the shortcuts are the same for almost everything that makes de workflow so intuitive and seamless. This workflow makes you more into the music and less into de DAW
Interesting to hear your perspective on subscription models. Most people are running away from Pro Tools for migrating to subscription model, whereas some are running away from Cubase for giving you a DAW you own outright...different strokes.
@@Ch1mereucheya The thing about the subscription model is that they can offer more value for "less" money. When the price for the product is High is most difficult to jump in. But with Studio one you just paid 14.99 use and have all his plugins and software. Steingberg can Do different plans and bring a lot of value for the price of 24.99 or 49.99, they have the plugins, the software and the audio library to offer that on a monthly subscription. So for me is more easy to live the "steingberg experience" if they charge a monthly fee than to buy one by one. (They don't have to take out the perputual license if they add subscription, Pre sound still sell a lot of perpetual licenses).
@@jorgedejesustejedavaldez5283 Subscriptions offer zero value, because you don't own the product - after your subscription expires, you're left with nothing. Sure you "only" pay $15 a month, but that's $180 a year, at which point you might as well just buy the software and have it for the rest of your life. Even if you don't have money, it's way more beneficial to literally get a loan from a bank and purchase the software, rather then rent in, because again - at least you own it.
@@nagynorbie In my case is more convenient to have a subscription my DAW. They don’t need to change his business model, they just can add it to people that want to enjoy all of what Steingberg have without spending 1,500 usd (this include all the extra plugins and libraries)
Hi Jameson, I'm enjoying your video and I'm not sure if I want to switch to Ableton but I was just looking for a midi envelope plugin and behold Ableton has it. I'm commenting in the middle of watching your video and I will continue to comment every time I see a need. At the current moment you just spoke about the ease of grouping tracks in Ableton, 04:09 I use the same Shortcut in Cubase 12 pro, in fact I use another Key command where I make a Group Track and a Folder Track at the same time with one shortcut. It's actually called a macro. lol I hate the stigma that TH-cam comments will have a passive aggressive tone 05:13 lol but nonetheless I'm rather using a sweet enjoyable tone, conversation friendly tone, like an honest best friend so please accept my comments as very friendly even though I may be disagreeing with you on certain points. 06:10 I might not comment on other stuff/advantages you mentioned probably because I don't understand them or maybe I don't see them as an issue FOR ME in my workflow. I've never tried Ableton and I dread the idea of starting over but I love their midi plugins, the Midi envelope and Envelope follower to be more specific, I've only watched videos on TH-cam about them.
Ableton is simultaneously the best and worst DAW. Best cos it just gets out of your way and let’s you fly through the track and not go into any menus or pop up any screens or even push any buttons. It’s like minimalistic & intelligent in how simple most tasks are & it’s genius… until you wanna do some regular DAW things, like disable & hide a track or strip silence or do some offline effects processing or ARA stuff… it doesn’t do regular daw things. I love making music in Ableton cos it really feels like “making music”, but sometimes you have to do a shit ton of manual labor for a menial task. But for me, the speed of making the music combined with the speed & depth of creativity far outweighs the option of every single feature under the sun at the cost of having to trudge through menus & do 5 extra clicks per move & click “yes I’m sure I want to delete this plug in” etc.😁😁
I also made the same move. BUT: IF Cubase would have an audio-engine which works for Live music, together with a nice looking and effective "Session View", i would have never changed to Ableton. And i wonder why you didnt mention the amount of frustration when using Ableton and searching for old tools and workflows which just arent there - like the simple right-click-tool-bar. I also like the editing of automation more in Cubase-And yes, as soon as the project gets BIG, i dearly miss Cubase. And i m really annoyed at the thought "this would be much better to arrange in Cubase now". ->i don't want to start at Ableton and finish in Cubase, that's not the kinda workflow i enjoy. The M4L devices are my only "consolation" right now , as there are many awesome intelligent solutions for problems which the Ableton Team is too lazy/dumb/busy (don't know which it is) to fix. Just to mention a few: "Clip length recorder" -> predefine the length of the recorded session view clip. Essential feature if you ask me.. should be part of the DAW. "Shortcut Buddy" or "LoadR" : being able to quickly load a whole set of devices via shortcut -> improves workflow a lot! "Track Select" -> really nice for big projects, you can quickly navigate through different views (unfold / fold groups etc.)
I'm scared to move. I'm so fast in Cubase after 20 years using it. I always liked the speed and random creativity Ableton appears to have when I've seen people using it. I think I installed a demo once about 15 years ago and gave up after 15 minutes because I couldn't work out how anything wored at all.. it's a very different layout to Cubase as far as I could see. Is it worth learning a different DAW to generate new ideas? I started with Reason in 2001, felt like I'd 'mastered' it in a few weeks and then 'upgraded' to Cuabse . I know Reason has come on leaps and bounds since version 2 or 3 way back then.. but I found it a bit gimmicky. Even though I know pros that have used it for great albums. I was forced to use Logic when I was studying music production and I hated it.
Same here. I‘ve used Cubase for years but changed to Ableton Life. For my workflow it is much easier to collect Ideas and put them together. The integration of my hardware works really easy. And everything sounds great. The stock effects and also Max for life are really handy and easy to use. I still updated to Cubase 12 but really did not use it. Probably I will get back to it to do final mixes but I‘m not really sure because everything is so much easier with Ableton. In the end It is all a matter of taste a personal preferences
I have an off topic question...As a trained pianist, which might you get , the Yamaha Montage 88 or the Kurzweil K2700? The function is for practice/mix projects, making music at home, sound design with samplers, and working directly with desktop computers...
@michaels8607 Did you buy your new keyboard yet? As a play-by-ear pianist who owns a Kurzweil K2600 and a PC3K8, I found that the piano sounds were not that great compared to software pianos (my favourites being Garritan CFX and Noire, but there are many other terrific ones). As a trained pianist, your main criteria are probably the feel of the keyboard and the built-in piano sounds. Both the Kurzweil K2700 and Yamaha Montage M8X have amazing synth engines and thousands of patches, but you may find yourself using little of it because software synths and sample libraries are so much easier and flexible to use than hardware for multitrack recording on a computer. I was thinking of upgrading to the K2700, but I am glad I spent the money on sample libraries instead. Now I use my Kurz as a controller keyboard and never play the onboard sounds. From the specifications, it appears that the M8X has a major advantage over the K2700 - polyphonic aftertouch on the keyboard. If you are holding multiple keys down, each key responds separately to finger pressure, for per-note variation of parameters such as timbre, pitch, and effects.
@@NeuroPete I am not much on the piano,and need to practice. The actual piano is upstairs and needs to be tuned. I have libraries from my various samplers and that's been good enough so far.I am open to explore yet I might also lean towards the Montagex...I'm ok for now with the QuadraSynth Plus,and stuff..
@@michaels8607 Years ago, I would have preferred an acoustic piano and spent my money keeping it in tune. Now, I prefer my sampled libraries which sound great in my headphones. Seems like you have what you need to create music, though a new high end keyboard would be a lot of fun too. All the best to you...
@@NeuroPete i am not that guy to follow trends nor even make moves based on what someone else does. I will sit and watch C rated movies all night long and have fun making jokes about the sets or sound.I wear Columbia instead of $400 jackets, and will equally use hardware samplers for their EFX engines. I use MACs AND PCs. My studio reminds me of Squarepusher or Boards Of Canada which is why I relate to their music.I do not buy version 14I buy version 8 and make it work.Besides, most people cannot tell a Steinway from a Baldwin,so why bother??
Bitwig is only better in Live triggering clip patterns and random modulation and DJ stuff. Same goes for Bitwig..But: this clip-daws are lagging in sooo manyyy ways... If you're good in Cubase, then you can faster arrange and compose and mix. Cubase has the best flexible mix console, and the best render options, the new C13 midi editor is a game changer... I'm in EDM and more creative with Cubase then Ableton/Bitwig. ❤
I ue Live for 10+ years. I agree with others - for big projects, is is not a great tool. There are bugs in Ableton that have not been fixed for years. Also Ableton support is terrible. The forum admins are obsessed about complaints (trying to intimidate users who complain to much). Ableton website looks like made by some kids 40 years ago. On the other hand the program is very intuitive, not hard to learn and great for creation (inspiring). Having those small plugins always at the bottom of the screen and not being able to detach into another window is a big problem for me because thongs are to small and unreadable. Tons of problems with playing Video and endless problems with missing files (in projects). At the moment, I am thinking about switching to another DAW (or at least using it in parallel), but still cannot decide between Cubase and Studio One. I AM TOTALLY FED UP WITH ABLETON SUPPORT and that is a major factor, I am about to quit.
Ableton much easy to use from the box without any guidelines or manuals. Try to make average mix in Cubase or FL just from the box without VST and compare time consumed
I'll pick up Live some time this year. Either current sale or next one. Main reason is the modular daw and to randomize stuff. Cubase sucks in those areas.
@@lX-NDRyou probably know this by now but the first one is in Ableton, they just call it “freeze” instead. First time locks all the parameters, second time renders to PCM. I dupe tracks and do that a lot to lock in various variations I don’t want to lose 😊 plus committing to certain settings by rendering it out, and being able to immediately drop them into a sampler, is super good for convolutions and creativity I find. As I’m sure you know, hence why you want the feature!
if wouldn't exist Kilohearts Snap Heap/ Multipass Powerhouse Plugins then it would be make sense but they're exists, for ex. demo video 'Kilohearts Multipass Powerhouse Plugin | Trance Tutorials'
I have tried and loved Cubase and LIve, but Bitwig's stability has won me. There is a group track in Cubase, which combines folder and a bus, just need to USE it. (Your first point about Cubase not having this is incorrect.) The template snark is funny, because you don't need templates to work with Cubase. If you were on Cubase LE 8 maybe you don't have all these features? Cubase 11/12 Pro would be what I would use for anything OTHER than live stuff. Live is cool. I still may buy a full studio edition of LIVE because hey, why not buy ALL the DAWS. Don't try bitwig though. :-)
Have to admit I’ve been eying Bitwig for its modularity for sure. Good to hear it’s stable too. There is indeed a group track in Cubase, but it has nothing to do with folders. Folders are for visual organization only, and group tracks are for routing. They are independent of one another, but can be organized however you see fit. My point was that Live combines this into a single process which makes building up a project quickly (without a template) much more direct.
and with me it was the other way around, from ableton live to cubase, I felt that ableton was already a super monotonous environment to spend hours working, it made me tired to see that simple interface, I worked with ableton for more than 5 years and the truth is I can't stand it anymore hehehehe
There is indeed a macro for that, but it’s still a bit clunkier to move things around and re-route on the fly than Ableton, where there’s no real distinction between folders and groups. I was also still using Cubase 11 at the time of this video, and I think it’s a bit better with 12. Still love and use Cubase for certain things.
I mean how dare you make such a video. Ableton could never compare to Cubase. Cubase is hands down the best DAW out of all of them. This is not only disrespectful but it’s abusive in my opinion. However have a blessed day to all
Almost two months seeing nightmares about DAWs and trying to decide between Ableton and Logic Pro im finally coming to conclusion.. It have to be Ableton, it "feels" truly inspiring and made for musicians, logic feels soulless and kills creativity.. Maybe Ableton 11 Suite and Reaper make best couple ;)
Uhm... no!!! Ableton isnt made for musicians, is ages far from there... is made to play live with plugins and controllers, and is a Slave software, it means isnt that good if you can use it inside other (better) softwares, but it cant do the opposite...
Cubase has all the tricks.. But it takes a lot of time to figure them out.. As oppose to live or studio one, cubase workflow is very time consuming for me.. And it doesn't have some modern features of the above DAWs..
Sir, this is a video about DAWs, not screwdrivers. Neither is better, it’s like comparing a music production software to a tool. So you prefer one over the other? Lolz….ok.
imho. If you like that workflow, BitWig is better because it is, in itself, like a synth, there is nothing more modular than. I believe for sound design, Bitwig is the best. For sharing projects and out of the box easy workflows, Ableton used to win. Since bitWig, everything changend I never looked back to Ableton, in fact, I feel Ableton super limited compared. Now (and considering all you talked about in this video) Cubase 12 is King; by far, and with the new Midi Remote, darn! way ahead. It sounds like you didn´t give it time to develope and configure your own workflow in Cubase...
Definitely want to check out Bitwig at some point. I’ve been working in Cubase for the better part of a decade, so I’m quite familiar with it. Didn’t upgrade to 12 until after this video, so yes there have been definite improvements, but it’s very limited in terms of all those modular features for which you touted Bitwig. That was the point of this video.
@@JamesonNathanJones right on 👍 BitWig definitively beats them all in that area, and by far. (if you haven´t, I recommend you to check out this german guy "polarity music" here in youtube... he is Mr. BitWig, very cool his channel also)
long time ableton user here. trying to switch to cubase becuse ableton doesn't seem to care about innovation anymore. Simple things are not implemented until now. such as point mouse and adjust parameters with scroll, Hide tracks, add more than 1 track at a time, etc. cubase has downsides compared to ableton but they continue innovation and keep up with up to date functions
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Live is cool fot little projects with a nice workflow but when it comes to big projects with ton of tracks, vocal recording, audio editing and mixing cubase is the goat here. I mean live still struggling in plugin delay compensation.
That was I was about to write myself. If not the PDC issue Live would be the best choice. I use live because to me pdc is not that big of the issue so far but I am eagerly waiting for cubase 12 to try the whole version without buying the validation flash drive.
Say it to Skrillex 😏
@@ДжонСнежный skrillex resamples so compensation doesnt bother him 😅
I've downloaded a 90 day trial of Ableton Live 11 because it intrigues me. It's like no other DAW. Everything is just available right there within a click or two. Looking at the manual, I can see why so many become spellbound by it. I'm frustrated as a Reaper user because this is very different on so many levels. It's the only other DAW I'd be willing to put my money down for because It's so different. I just cannot do that with Cubase, ProTools, Logic Pro etc as I can do pretty much all that they offer in Reaper. But Ableton Live, oh boy! That's one grey dame with a different game. I think I'm falling in love again.
Thank you for this. I'm a long time Cubase user, I'm actually happy with it(just upgraded to 12). It's the hardware controllers that are giving me Ableton envy, seamless integration. Cubase is trying to catchup with their remote midi integration but it's had like 6 scripts since it came out.
Cubase is much better, and if you want use ableton too you can host it inside Cubase as is a Master software and Ableton is a Slave software...
Been waiting for EXACTLY that video for...way too long to admit!!! THANKS!!
I did the reverse, I moved from Ableton to cubase becase ARA support in cubase and since i started wiith cubase i have discovered so many nice features that i dont know if i would ever go back.
Over the years Ive had different versions of Ableton on my machines and could never make any sense of the interface. I could, load a pre made demo in, push play and listen. Getting it to do anything other than that I found impossible. So, it was back to Cubase and an interface that visually makes sense to me. Your mileage may vary.
I'm getting familiar with Ableton after recording my last two albums in Cubase. I am going to use it for playing live using session view loops with a Launchpad MkIII controller and Faderport 16 as well as playing live keyboards, drums and guitar.
"there's nobody here"
Ouch, that got me right in the feels.
Fakt 1: Cubase is and was the best DAW on this Planet for all musical genres
Fakt 2: check fakt 1 period
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@@lX-NDR 🤭😉😂
Nobody mentions this. But, say you want some parallel processing on any track, in cubase you have to open a separate return channel that clutters your mixer view. In live you can use an effect rack inside the track to split the signal in two without adding any new track. That to is a really great feature. Cubase has some killer features as well. Cubase is probably more professional as an audio software...i just find live to be more creative.
Cubase is made to create music too, ableton isnt... ableton is to do live sets using plugins and controllers, cubase is a professional multitrack (not a sequencer as people use to say, FL is a sequencer), you can edit audio, video, do professional masters, but isnt good to play live even if years ago I was playing in Poland, and a guy played live using Cubase, i never saw anything like that and i was really surprised
Cuebase is garbage. If you like punching buttons and staring at the screen for hours and spend more time trouble shooting than making music. Stay away from cuebase if you want to stay happy.
Remember Dua Lipa New Rules was produced in Cubase, also I’ve noticed many kpop producers using Cubase! So it’s not that bad lol
You're making exciting music lol Stay with Ableton.
Enjoyed, like the comic relief. Well done, seems like you have a knack for vlogging.
Haha thanks 🙏
Classically trained strings player who has been starting her journey composing & songwriting in the last two years - I’ve been using Ableton in this time (including scoring an animation) and it was so helpful hearing the frustrations & things you enjoy about each DAW. Thanks for the helpful video!
Thanks Cindy! Glad it was helpful. We classical-background folks have to stick together. 😂
I can from Ableton to Cubase, routing and racks and session view are what makes Ableton gold, but it’s limitations are glaring in comparison to Cubase
The best DAW is the one that gets you results! I've been using Cubase for a loooong time. It's pretty darn good for all things midi and I love it, but there's also a shit ton of legacy code and half baked features which make things....annoying.
I can't wait to hear why some other iLogic user would then want to escape those tempo variations and switch 🔙 to Cubase. Namastè.
Just brilliant
DAWS are always going to be subjective based on what you're intending to do with them (e.g live instruments, midi, vocals) and what type of music one is looking to make. As somebody who has just got back into production, after several years of a hiatus, my initial 'go to' was Cubase as that is what I know best. Cubase 12 has come a long way since Cubase 5 (the last version I used). Out of curiosity I did the free trial with Ableton 11 - spent about 2 hours trying to self teach and hated every minute of it. The simplest things on Cubase seem to be more effort on Ableton - the latter looks and feels cheaper too. When Ableton started crashing and stuttering for no evident reason, particuarly when adjusting the looping bars, that was enough to call time on the experiment. My CPU & RAM were both under 10% on a brand spanking new custom build PC yet Ableton couldn't function in a stable state - no such issue with Cubase. My CPU is a 18 core/36 thread beast, with 128 GB RAM, that is barely scratched in production - using Ableton made me feel like I was on an old crappy laptop with no juice in the tank. Lots of people love it, so they're clearly doing something right - for me though, I couldn't even contemplate trying to make music on it.
Ableton is not intuitive at all... very complicate, I can't understand how people can use it, Fuity Loops is much better and with an amazing dynamic, but Cubase is the father of all... people doesnt even know that the first version of Cubase was a sequencer as FL was, and people don't even know the real difference between a sequencer and a multitrack because they listened to who said wrong things, starting from who produce those softwares... So Cubase is the best, they made so many unique VST and they invented the VST system so there is nothing to say about it, and is improved a lot with the last updates. Let's talk a bit a bout the difference between a sequencer and a multitrack, because the brands that make software are the first to don't know what they do, and i have to say Steinberg too... So a sequencer, to say it in few poor words, is a software where you mark little boxes to put the sound in, and is called sequencer because is a sequences of little marked and unmarked boxes. The first version of Cubase was exactly like this, and they are the most old softwares from where all others took inspiration. than Cubase changed and started to be the first multitrack, so let's explain what a multitrack is: is a software where you can upload different tracks, as the name said already, and in fact you don't have the little boxes anymore but you could upload the sound directly and any sound would make a new track, thats why is called multitrack, because you can upload multiple tracks... people never think about names, if they would, would have been easy to see what is a sequencer and what a multitrack... nowdays all softwares are wrongly called sequencer, but in fact the only sequencer is FL that improved with a multitrack side too... in the other softwares, including cubase, ableton, pro tools, logic, etc, you have a sequencer only to write VSTs... so when you open a new instrument track and upload a synth, you can write that synth opening a sequencer on the track, and than you can write notes... after said all this, Cubase is still the best software for me, and never forget is a master software that doesnt mean you can do masters on it (ignorant people!), it means it can hosts other softwares inside him, making a new tracks and uploading inside your ableton or your FL, and you will listen what you are making there but inside Cubase... thats be a Master software, don't a slave like Ableton or FL, if you are a Slave (software or not) it would means a lot already wihohut the need to explain more...
So reassuring since I have lately the same doubt if switching to Ableton from Cubase or not. I’m using mostly outboard synths and drum machine, don’t know If this is another plus of using Cubase over Ableton.
@@jhdrummer4815 Well, you could have the power of Cubase, much better than Ableton, but still using Ableton inside of Cubase for what you think is better in the way you work
i love ableton and will gladly hold it over any daw just for its workflow and features. i have adhd and im on the spectrum, so this workflow that has all the things on a set place basically wins it for me. all the other daws I've demo'd had all these different windows in different places and it overwhelmed me.
but you pointing out that ableton was unstable, man that cut deep. i have a good enough pc. 16gb ram, ryzen 4 core 12 thread processor. and still I've lost projects due to live randomly crashing on me. im still a hostage of ableton live because i love the way it looks and i love its features that arent available on other daws. that's why im exploring cubase.
NGL I came for the DAW advice, but I'mma give you a like and subscribe for informing me that Dr Pepper Zero with Cream Soda is a thing that exists
And it’s delightful!
I guess it depends on what you are producing. I used Ableton for more than 10 years when I was writing loop based music. But now that I’m doing music for media and film, Ableton doesn’t work that great. I had to use Logic Pro which is great. Ableton has some weird things when it comes to midi routing and audio routing. But it sounds great and makes things fast.
fast is not always the best... and in fact ableton is not the best
Nothing is best at everything but to some, Getting the idea down faster before losing the motivation/inspiration matters more and this is where Ableton comes in. @@RobErt-mn2lr
I find this interesting. I have recently started using Ableton and I can see alot of uses for it Live. I don't think I will ditch Cubase anytime soon as I find it easier to get an overview over anything in Cubase while Ableton feels dense. Working with video is better in Cubase and the grouping thing.. I never got that. I want to folder things the way that it makes sense in my head, but I create buses based on what I need audio-wise. And those two things are never the same for me. The "control everything" thing in Ableton seems really cool. I fear that I will be running two DAWs in the future... :S
"Linda! There's no one here" Hilarius! 🤣🤣🤣
I like your sense of humour mate ... .Subbed ; )
Great video as always! It's funny how I recognize your background and story. I am also an organist, classically trained and now for about ten years making electronic music with Ableton and lately getting into filmscoring. Loving Ableton! But I am seriously considering Cubase because Ableton sucks at working with video.
That’s awesome! Not too many of us out there. 🤝
Same here. I compose in Ableton and I like the workflow better than Nuendo. thanks
Really interesting thanks! Is it actually not possible to do all that modular stuff you showed in Cubase as well?
I am thinking of going back to Cubase after 20 years. There are some latency things in Ableton that are driving me nuts.
I can confirm that, since version 9, it got worse. Cubase, it's smooth as silk when doing midi and production.
@@jasoncruizer Ableton isnt latency free.. Monitoring is latency free but you still need to record on seperate channel with monitoring off if you want really be in time.
Bro with Cubase project logical editor I made presets that with one click color my tracks , assign to groups and put in folders. , then with one click after rendering midi to audio for mixing I disable and hide all midi tracks
I use Ableton Live with Push 2 for some quick ideas and Cubase for serious arrangements. Think the arrangement view in Ableton is childish compare to Cubase and the track names fixed at the right in Live limited, because you can't create your own work space with the track names to the left side. The most distracting thing I experience in Live 11 is the fact that I can not open plugins on multiple tracks at the same time and in Cubase you can.
You can view multiple plug-ins in Ableton. In preferences under Look/Feel turn on multiple plug-in windows and disable auto-hide plug-ins!
@@Audio_Lord On multiple tracks at the same time!?
@@AllmedialabNl pretty sure you can but can’t double check at the moment! I’ve definitely had stuff open on the master track and another track at the same time with those preferences.
@@Audio_Lord I don't think it's possible! Or there's a setting I have not noticed before!
@@AllmedialabNl I’ll have a look when I get home from work!
I use Digital Performer for video work. It is a musician's DAW.
Cubase is if you want CINEMA. Ableton is for who loves hip hop .. beats and so on. It´s that easy.
Great video, I subbed
solution i think is bitwig.... its ableton and cubase in 1 haha. im happy with ableton and cubas tho
Being a long time user of both i totally agree with Ableton being the more inspiring DAW. Thing is, when it comes down to stability, doing projects with video and deadlines and some serious mixing, i found out the hard way that Ableton just does not come close.
I enjoy it more like an instrument, and use Cubase as a gathering station to put it all together. My biggest frustration is the everlasting nagging question which daw i should get to know better. The fact that i use both is holding me back from getting to know one of them inside out ;)
Does that feel familiar to you in any way?
I agree 100%. Sadly, I feel like it wouldn’t take much in the way of updates for Ableton to check all of the boxes for me, but making it a dependable daw for scoring just doesn’t seem to be high in their list of priorities. It makes sense as it wasn’t designed for that, but as someone who really enjoys the workflow I would love to be able to use it for everything.
One workaround for the second issue is changing Cubase key commands to mimic Ableton’s (unfortunately you can’t set up custom key commands as such in Live). This way you can learn Ableton inside/out and at least wouldn’t be totally lost when going back to Cubase. I’ve found it to be helpful.
@@JamesonNathanJones that is actually a great idea. Haven't thought of that!
Out of curiosity; what updates would make Ableton tick all the boxes for you?
I’d love to see frame nudging and more options for different frame rates. And once you’ve used Cubase’s time warp tool, it’s hard to go back to sliding around a tempo map manually to hit your marks. It’s a picky thing but is a major time suck when you already have a tool that can do it much more efficiently.
I am in same problem of switching DAWs. I love Cubase but it's lacking in the area of beatmaking which keeps me going back to fl studio. Everytime cubase gets updated, I pray they get to implement a good step sequencer so I can finally let fl studio go.
Thinking of switching too...I've used protools, cubase, studio one and reason but I like the layout and GUI simplicity of Live - a lot less cluttered than the previously mentioned and they were the first to do things a little differently than the linear DAWs...dare I say 'game-changer' I you will...Oh I forgot to say maybe Cubase 13 will lean into more Ableton territory.
I'm in studio one right now (cause cubase doesn't offer a subscription model) and one thing I really miss from ableton is that the shortcuts are the same for almost everything that makes de workflow so intuitive and seamless. This workflow makes you more into the music and less into de DAW
Interesting to hear your perspective on subscription models. Most people are running away from Pro Tools for migrating to subscription model, whereas some are running away from Cubase for giving you a DAW you own outright...different strokes.
@@Ch1mereucheya The thing about the subscription model is that they can offer more value for "less" money. When the price for the product is High is most difficult to jump in. But with Studio one you just paid 14.99 use and have all his plugins and software. Steingberg can Do different plans and bring a lot of value for the price of 24.99 or 49.99, they have the plugins, the software and the audio library to offer that on a monthly subscription. So for me is more easy to live the "steingberg experience" if they charge a monthly fee than to buy one by one. (They don't have to take out the perputual license if they add subscription, Pre sound still sell a lot of perpetual licenses).
@@jorgedejesustejedavaldez5283 Subscriptions offer zero value, because you don't own the product - after your subscription expires, you're left with nothing. Sure you "only" pay $15 a month, but that's $180 a year, at which point you might as well just buy the software and have it for the rest of your life. Even if you don't have money, it's way more beneficial to literally get a loan from a bank and purchase the software, rather then rent in, because again - at least you own it.
@@nagynorbie In my case is more convenient to have a subscription my DAW. They don’t need to change his business model, they just can add it to people that want to enjoy all of what Steingberg have without spending 1,500 usd (this include all the extra plugins and libraries)
Hi Jameson, I'm enjoying your video and I'm not sure if I want to switch to Ableton but I was just looking for a midi envelope plugin and behold Ableton has it. I'm commenting in the middle of watching your video and I will continue to comment every time I see a need. At the current moment you just spoke about the ease of grouping tracks in Ableton,
04:09 I use the same Shortcut in Cubase 12 pro, in fact I use another Key command where I make a Group Track and a Folder Track at the same time with one shortcut. It's actually called a macro.
lol I hate the stigma that TH-cam comments will have a passive aggressive tone 05:13 lol but nonetheless I'm rather using a sweet enjoyable tone, conversation friendly tone, like an honest best friend so please accept my comments as very friendly even though I may be disagreeing with you on certain points.
06:10 I might not comment on other stuff/advantages you mentioned probably because I don't understand them or maybe I don't see them as an issue FOR ME in my workflow.
I've never tried Ableton and I dread the idea of starting over but I love their midi plugins, the Midi envelope and Envelope follower to be more specific, I've only watched videos on TH-cam about them.
Ableton is simultaneously the best and worst DAW. Best cos it just gets out of your way and let’s you fly through the track and not go into any menus or pop up any screens or even push any buttons. It’s like minimalistic & intelligent in how simple most tasks are & it’s genius… until you wanna do some regular DAW things, like disable & hide a track or strip silence or do some offline effects processing or ARA stuff… it doesn’t do regular daw things. I love making music in Ableton cos it really feels like “making music”, but sometimes you have to do a shit ton of manual labor for a menial task.
But for me, the speed of making the music combined with the speed & depth of creativity far outweighs the option of every single feature under the sun at the cost of having to trudge through menus & do 5 extra clicks per move & click “yes I’m sure I want to delete this plug in” etc.😁😁
I also made the same move. BUT: IF Cubase would have an audio-engine which works for Live music, together with a nice looking and effective "Session View", i would have never changed to Ableton. And i wonder why you didnt mention the amount of frustration when using Ableton and searching for old tools and workflows which just arent there - like the simple right-click-tool-bar. I also like the editing of automation more in Cubase-And yes, as soon as the project gets BIG, i dearly miss Cubase. And i m really annoyed at the thought "this would be much better to arrange in Cubase now". ->i don't want to start at Ableton and finish in Cubase, that's not the kinda workflow i enjoy. The M4L devices are my only "consolation" right now , as there are many awesome intelligent solutions for problems which the Ableton Team is too lazy/dumb/busy (don't know which it is) to fix. Just to mention a few: "Clip length recorder" -> predefine the length of the recorded session view clip. Essential feature if you ask me.. should be part of the DAW. "Shortcut Buddy" or "LoadR" : being able to quickly load a whole set of devices via shortcut -> improves workflow a lot! "Track Select" -> really nice for big projects, you can quickly navigate through different views (unfold / fold groups etc.)
I'm scared to move. I'm so fast in Cubase after 20 years using it.
I always liked the speed and random creativity Ableton appears to have when I've seen people using it.
I think I installed a demo once about 15 years ago and gave up after 15 minutes because I couldn't work out how anything wored at all.. it's a very different layout to Cubase as far as I could see.
Is it worth learning a different DAW to generate new ideas? I started with Reason in 2001, felt like I'd 'mastered' it in a few weeks and then 'upgraded' to Cuabse . I know Reason has come on leaps and bounds since version 2 or 3 way back then.. but I found it a bit gimmicky. Even though I know pros that have used it for great albums. I was forced to use Logic when I was studying music production and I hated it.
Same here. I‘ve used Cubase for years but changed to Ableton Life. For my workflow it is much easier to collect Ideas and put them together. The integration of my hardware works really easy. And everything sounds great. The stock effects and also Max for life are really handy and easy to use. I still updated to Cubase 12 but really did not use it. Probably I will get back to it to do final mixes but I‘m not really sure because everything is so much easier with Ableton. In the end It is all a matter of taste a personal preferences
great video
I have an off topic question...As a trained pianist, which might you get , the Yamaha Montage 88 or the Kurzweil K2700? The function is for practice/mix projects, making music at home, sound design with samplers, and working directly with desktop computers...
@michaels8607 Did you buy your new keyboard yet? As a play-by-ear pianist who owns a Kurzweil K2600 and a PC3K8, I found that the piano sounds were not that great compared to software pianos (my favourites being Garritan CFX and Noire, but there are many other terrific ones). As a trained pianist, your main criteria are probably the feel of the keyboard and the built-in piano sounds.
Both the Kurzweil K2700 and Yamaha Montage M8X have amazing synth engines and thousands of patches, but you may find yourself using little of it because software synths and sample libraries are so much easier and flexible to use than hardware for multitrack recording on a computer. I was thinking of upgrading to the K2700, but I am glad I spent the money on sample libraries instead. Now I use my Kurz as a controller keyboard and never play the onboard sounds.
From the specifications, it appears that the M8X has a major advantage over the K2700 - polyphonic aftertouch on the keyboard. If you are holding multiple keys down, each key responds separately to finger pressure, for per-note variation of parameters such as timbre, pitch, and effects.
@@NeuroPete I am not much on the piano,and need to practice. The actual piano is upstairs and needs to be tuned. I have libraries from my various samplers and that's been good enough so far.I am open to explore yet I might also lean towards the Montagex...I'm ok for now with the QuadraSynth Plus,and stuff..
@@michaels8607 Years ago, I would have preferred an acoustic piano and spent my money keeping it in tune. Now, I prefer my sampled libraries which sound great in my headphones. Seems like you have what you need to create music, though a new high end keyboard would be a lot of fun too. All the best to you...
@@NeuroPete i am not that guy to follow trends nor even make moves based on what someone else does. I will sit and watch C rated movies all night long and have fun making jokes about the sets or sound.I wear Columbia instead of $400 jackets, and will equally use hardware samplers for their EFX engines. I use MACs AND PCs. My studio reminds me of Squarepusher or Boards Of Canada which is why I relate to their music.I do not buy version 14I buy version 8 and make it work.Besides, most people cannot tell a Steinway from a Baldwin,so why bother??
@@michaels8607 Agreed.
Why not use Bitwig ? It's really the best for sound nerds and electronic music composers.
meh meh meh
Clap is on the way so things will get better.
Bitwig is only better in Live triggering clip patterns and random modulation and DJ stuff. Same goes for Bitwig..But: this clip-daws are lagging in sooo manyyy ways... If you're good in Cubase, then you can faster arrange and compose and mix. Cubase has the best flexible mix console, and the best render options, the new C13 midi editor is a game changer... I'm in EDM and more creative with Cubase then Ableton/Bitwig. ❤
Ableton you can send audio to a pugin that uses ins. Not sure is cubase can do that.
You could easily do Billy Bob Thornton’s voice over work.
I’m sure it would pay better 😅
@@JamesonNathanJones your videos and knowledge are, for sure, worth more than you collect.
It's been 9 months, Are you still on Live? Perhaps the time is ripe for an update on your experience?
"heh heh...there's no one here." WAS there no one there? :)
Still using Live primarily
The point is that this German Ableton guys know how to create music software for creative humans!
I ue Live for 10+ years. I agree with others - for big projects, is is not a great tool. There are bugs in Ableton that have not been fixed for years. Also Ableton support is terrible. The forum admins are obsessed about complaints (trying to intimidate users who complain to much). Ableton website looks like made by some kids 40 years ago. On the other hand the program is very intuitive, not hard to learn and great for creation (inspiring). Having those small plugins always at the bottom of the screen and not being able to detach into another window is a big problem for me because thongs are to small and unreadable. Tons of problems with playing Video and endless problems with missing files (in projects). At the moment, I am thinking about switching to another DAW (or at least using it in parallel), but still cannot decide between Cubase and Studio One. I AM TOTALLY FED UP WITH ABLETON SUPPORT and that is a major factor, I am about to quit.
Can you tell more about support issues? What do you mean about: "admins trying to intimidate users"? Maybe the problem is not in support but in you?
Ableton much easy to use from the box without any guidelines or manuals. Try to make average mix in Cubase or FL just from the box without VST and compare time consumed
I'll pick up Live some time this year. Either current sale or next one. Main reason is the modular daw and to randomize stuff. Cubase sucks in those areas.
Also the granular stuff in ableton is wat better. Only thing im missing in ableton is the render to audio and insert into project function.
@@lX-NDRyou probably know this by now but the first one is in Ableton, they just call it “freeze” instead. First time locks all the parameters, second time renders to PCM.
I dupe tracks and do that a lot to lock in various variations I don’t want to lose 😊 plus committing to certain settings by rendering it out, and being able to immediately drop them into a sampler, is super good for convolutions and creativity I find. As I’m sure you know, hence why you want the feature!
far out...i was reaching for my DP at almost the exact time you said to reach for a DP
if wouldn't exist Kilohearts Snap Heap/ Multipass Powerhouse Plugins then it would be make sense but they're exists, for ex. demo video 'Kilohearts Multipass Powerhouse Plugin | Trance Tutorials'
I have tried and loved Cubase and LIve, but Bitwig's stability has won me.
There is a group track in Cubase, which combines folder and a bus, just need to USE it. (Your first point about Cubase not having this is incorrect.) The template snark is funny, because you don't need templates to work with Cubase. If you were on Cubase LE 8 maybe you don't have all these features? Cubase 11/12 Pro would be what I would use for anything OTHER than live stuff. Live is cool.
I still may buy a full studio edition of LIVE because hey, why not buy ALL the DAWS.
Don't try bitwig though. :-)
Have to admit I’ve been eying Bitwig for its modularity for sure. Good to hear it’s stable too.
There is indeed a group track in Cubase, but it has nothing to do with folders. Folders are for visual organization only, and group tracks are for routing. They are independent of one another, but can be organized however you see fit. My point was that Live combines this into a single process which makes building up a project quickly (without a template) much more direct.
Why You just Use Both of them
Man no way i leave cubase for ableton but damn i wish cubase have routing folders
and with me it was the other way around, from ableton live to cubase, I felt that ableton was already a super monotonous environment to spend hours working, it made me tired to see that simple interface, I worked with ableton for more than 5 years and the truth is I can't stand it anymore hehehehe
Wait… Cubase has a key shortcut “move selected tracks to a new folder and group”
There is indeed a macro for that, but it’s still a bit clunkier to move things around and re-route on the fly than Ableton, where there’s no real distinction between folders and groups. I was also still using Cubase 11 at the time of this video, and I think it’s a bit better with 12. Still love and use Cubase for certain things.
I mean how dare you make such a video. Ableton could never compare to Cubase. Cubase is hands down the best DAW out of all of them. This is not only disrespectful but it’s abusive in my opinion. However have a blessed day to all
10/10 TH-cam comment 👏👏
@@JamesonNathanJones I meant every word good sir. Have a blessed day nonetheless
11/10
Lol
then tell about bounce in a place Ableton vs Cubase. in my opinion ableton gives cheap workflow with bouncing
Almost two months seeing nightmares about DAWs and trying to decide between Ableton and Logic Pro im finally coming to conclusion.. It have to be Ableton, it "feels" truly inspiring and made for musicians, logic feels soulless and kills creativity.. Maybe Ableton 11 Suite and Reaper make best couple ;)
same here :)
Uhm... no!!! Ableton isnt made for musicians, is ages far from there... is made to play live with plugins and controllers, and is a Slave software, it means isnt that good if you can use it inside other (better) softwares, but it cant do the opposite...
Cubase has all the tricks.. But it takes a lot of time to figure them out.. As oppose to live or studio one, cubase workflow is very time consuming for me.. And it doesn't have some modern features of the above DAWs..
I use both. Neither is better. It's like comparing Philip's and Flathead screwdrivers. So you prefer one over the other? Lol...ok.
Sir, this is a video about DAWs, not screwdrivers. Neither is better, it’s like comparing a music production software to a tool. So you prefer one over the other? Lolz….ok.
phillips, all day long, bro!
@@JamesonNathanJones Your reply speaks volumes.
@@matrixate I thought so too. Although it was really just your reply rephrased back to you, so maybe it says more about you than me.
Chris Watt vibes.
imho.
If you like that workflow, BitWig is better because it is, in itself, like a synth, there is nothing more modular than. I believe for sound design, Bitwig is the best.
For sharing projects and out of the box easy workflows, Ableton used to win. Since bitWig, everything changend I never looked back to Ableton, in fact, I feel Ableton super limited compared.
Now (and considering all you talked about in this video) Cubase 12 is King; by far, and with the new Midi Remote, darn! way ahead. It sounds like you didn´t give it time to develope and configure your own workflow in Cubase...
Definitely want to check out Bitwig at some point. I’ve been working in Cubase for the better part of a decade, so I’m quite familiar with it. Didn’t upgrade to 12 until after this video, so yes there have been definite improvements, but it’s very limited in terms of all those modular features for which you touted Bitwig. That was the point of this video.
@@JamesonNathanJones right on 👍 BitWig definitively beats them all in that area, and by far.
(if you haven´t, I recommend you to check out this german guy "polarity music" here in youtube... he is Mr. BitWig, very cool his channel also)
Interesting but cubase is king
U r funny but ur info is v valuable...thx
long time ableton user here. trying to switch to cubase becuse ableton doesn't seem to care about innovation anymore. Simple things are not implemented until now. such as point mouse and adjust parameters with scroll, Hide tracks, add more than 1 track at a time, etc. cubase has downsides compared to ableton but they continue innovation and keep up with up to date functions