Who Owns the Watchmen?
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She deserves the point for living up to the spirit of the show.
agreed. They would have given her the point if she stood her ground
Mike's given points for "Um, Actually"s that were not the intended answers. That's why I love this game (and I got the tabletop game), because the host can respond to an answer with "close enough".
100% agree
@@jimmyrade7815 Mike may have...or doubled down on the pedantry and broken down the wording of the statement to say it technically wasn't incorrect. The wording was 'existing DC characters' and the characters did exist prior to the comic and were owned by DC so it's not technically incorrect to call them that.
Either way, petty nitpicking like this is the entire point.
It’s OK, she got it anyway lol.
If she had waited half a second for the Huntress comment she would've gotten it
If memory serves, I think she still got it in the end. I could be wrong thi
@@javiermadan7359 at least you didn't stop before the end of your sen
@@Rosskles Looks like Candlejack's been busy, I
Wait, it wasn't the Captain Atom one? I thought he was based on Dr Manhattan, so him be the original intent wouldn't make sense.
@@NotYourAverageNothing Other way. Dr Manhattan was based on Captain Atom
She's technically correct. Just because DC had purchased them doesn't mean they were DC characters-- at that point. The point was hers! A lady after my own heart
They didn't "exist" yet in DC's continuity, she's completely correct.
Although they were not dc published at the time, they were still dc owned
I mean, if DC owned the characters, are they not by definition DC characters? If you bought a car, the vehicle is still yours even if you haven't driven it yet.
@@kingcaliph5135 not in terms of storytelling. When marvel bought Spawn spinoff character Angela she remained the classic iteration in the eyes of the public until marvel rewrote her origin and tied her to Thor. Before that she was an image character.
Technically these characters were charlatan characters until DC worked them into their continuity.
I know it’s been 7 months bur can you please explain you’d be a chad for it
She may not have had the correct answer, but she should get a point anyways for being that pedantic.
Trapp seemed like he was going to but she said objection withdrawn
Ozymandias owns the rights to the watchmen characters, that's how he got so rich: by selling merch and action figures.
I don't own the rights
@@ozymandias1314 that's exactly what a scheming villain who owns the rights would say!
no chance the smartest man to ever live would’ve greenlit snyder’s movie
@@sweetssandbox3526 that’s what makes it genius
breaking bad reference
She became the entire spiritual embodiment of Um Actually; I need to watch this episode and hope she won the whole thing bc she obviously deserves it 💀😂 goated moment
if that was Brennan he would've yelled "GET IN THE COMMENTS!!!" and demanded his dirty point
If you stump the host, AND the researcher, you should get at least a half point, or a point stopper where even if someone else gets an answer right, you can just be like “no. No point for you”
she was right, tho. they weren't 'dc' characters in that they had never appeared in dc-published books until after
Although they were not dc published, they were still dc owned
The beautiful thing about a show of this style is that sometimes there's room to squeeze out another correct answer. Especially since the contenstants are very deliberately the sort of people that naturally look for them.
It’s that Silk Spectre was Nightshade
Occam’s Razor and all that
She should be able to extrapolate that because of her own objection too. Huntress is the only character mentioned that wasn't originally a Charlton character.
I like how it loops back perfectly like Trapp is just restarting the question after the objection
The way she buzzed in was so adorable
Comedian was peacemaker
Push for the point!
Technically correct, which is the best kind of correct!
Half expected Brennan to come out of no where and scream "Get in the comments!"
Um, actually, the answer is that Alan Moore wanted to use the recently acquired Charlton characters, assuming that they wouldn't be integrated into the main DC universe. DC turned him down, as they were planning to integrate certain characters, Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Booster Gold, etc. into the main DC Universe, so he created variations on them. The one exception in that list is Huntress, who had not been acquired from Charlton, but was the Earth 1 daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle (Batman and Catwoman).
Please 🙏 add which episode the clip is from in the description of these clips.
Like "You're correct, but not our correct" type
But they're nit "existing" if they weren't introduced.
Omg she's so cool! Love her vibe!
She 100% deserves that point!!
The writer, Alan Moore , didn't know DC had the rights to the characters.
Um, actually, he did know. DC just didn't like what he'd done to the characters (but likes the story itself) so he replaced them with original characters.
I believe it was the original plan for introducing them to the DC Universe but then what he planned to do to them was so drastic that they decided to have him do original characters and did something else with the Charleston characters
It's so weird to think that it was meant to be the Atom rather than Dr Manhattan.
It would be very interesting to see a few panels of the original concept.
@@shaderax_storm6165 On the other hand the Question as Rorschach makes a disturbing amount of sense. Since the Question's always been on the nuttier side and in particular during his Charlton run was an ardent objectivist (something I'm sure a leftwing anarchist like Moore loved taking a peg down with the portrayal (even though ironically Rorschach ended up this figure that edgelords latched onto despite being both horrible and pathetic.))
@@shaderax_storm6165 That's Captain Atom not The Atom. 2 totally different superheroes
She's right though
The real thing that should be objected is that they didn’t mention Rorschach (possibly the most iconic of the characters if not second to only dr Manhattan) and his charlton counterpart the question. Honestly I’m just kinda but hurt about it cause the question’s my favorite hero.
Legit same, got so excited and they chose to not include THE guy. People know his Watchman counterpart more than the OG thou 😫
Who was the counterpart? Question?
@@SotergarmThe Question with a bit of Mr A, a similar 'hero' created by Steve Ditko as a less compromised vessel for the objectivist political philosophy that Ditko had originally wanted The Question to espouse.
Mr A was a masked man who would often refuse to assist people who didn't help themselves or would just allow criminals to die on the grounds that it was their own fault for creating the situation that led to them getting into life or death situations (which would arguably only have happened because of Mr A's intervention) while regular people, who were often victims of the crimes that the criminals were being chased for, begged him not to let them die.
Needless to say Mr A was not a very successful comic but it did inform the twisted, antisocial aspects of Rorschach's characterisation and his tendency to blame victims of hate crimes and sexual violence for choosing to be 'degenerate', as well as his jingoistic idolisation of The Comedian, even when presented with the knowledge that he was a rapist.
Incidentally Steve Ditko originally conceived Spider-Man as a far-right reactionary who would chew out groups of protesters as he swung by them before Stan Lee rewrote the dialogue that Steve had written to be more socially progressive. This ultimately led to him leaving marvel comics to work at DC before he ended up leaving the mainstream comics industry to use the medium to distribute randian diatribes disguised as comics.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 yep that sums up the history of the character up pretty nicely, while I think a hero who believes in objectivism can be interesting to explore (Rorschach being a shining example) I very much prefer the question that was in the 1987 run of the character who had more of a zen philosophy and acknowledged that there’s big gray areas all throughout life.
@@Sotergarm I mean people know about his watchman counterpart: Rorschach than The Question himself
I can't believe I know this one, Silk Spectre was not Huntress, I don't think that even makes sense.
i LOVE her for knowing this
OMG they finally did my go to funfact😂, I legit had this entire conversation before
This is how you Brennan correctly. Call them out but when you're wrong take it back, don't keep incessantly arguing. mulligan could learn a thing or two from her
I love that most of the clips I've seen from this show are people being *technically* correct but not giving the answer they were looking for
I believe Alllen Moore wanted to use them, but because of the character's legacy. DC didn't want to accidentally ruin their image now that they just brought them. So, he made analogs.
One of the few i actually knew. Huntress wasn't a Charlton character and wasn't supposed to be in watchmen
I might be wrong, but didn't Alan Moore originally want to use these characters? However, DC thought it was too risky to use these well know characters and told him to use or make different ones for his story? I haven't watched this video.
Yes, that's how i understand it happened.
@@VertigoDefinitivo Except that there are interviews with Alan where he states he wanted to use Charlton characters and a DC exec was intrigued by the proposal Alan offered but didn't want to actually use the Charlton characters for the story. Possibly because of what Alan had already done to Marvelman/Miracleman.
Silk spectre was night shade not huntress, also comedian was peacemaker and oxymandius was thunderstrike
Damn she got a cute smile
Um, actually, the huntress appeared first years after the watchman was published
Um actually, Helena Bertinelli first appeared after Watchmen but Huntress already existed in the form of Helena Wayne.
Wasn't Rorscach gonna be the Question? I think I heard that when learning about Steve Ditko's career.
It’s huntresss, she wasn’t a Charlton character
DC owned Charlton Comics after they bought the rights to them when the company went under. Alan Moore was given permission to make an 80s gritty team off this universe, but last minute DC said they didn't want him to do that since they were going to use them elsewhere. Moore quickly redesigned the already written story to the characters we know today. Blue Beetle as an example got its own comic in 1986 shortly after the watchmen came out.
Also Silk Spectre was originally supposed to be Nightshade, but really was designed from Phantom Lady. Who was from a DC character.
what episode is this from?
that is a good point
It's not just in the comics and NRS fighting game that we see Injustice, huh. She was right.
Um actually all the watchmen charecters where original exept rocharsh who was gonna be the question but they wernt allowed to use the question so they made rocharsch
um actually silk spectre was based on nightshade
Who watches the owners of the Watchmen?
I agree with Amy
Um actually Slik Spectre was Nightshade!!!
Uhm actually owl man is batman
There's a batman brave and the bold episode that states that universes blue beetle is called red scarab
shes technically right. the best kind of right
Is that the girl from DND Beyond?
It’s even better when you realize what a jerk Steve Ditko was. Alan Moore wasn’t just making fun of some random characters, before DC redeemed them, Ditko who created most of them was using them to push some really messed up philosophies.
Awesome
Um Actually, they were originally created to be characters from Archie Comics the Mighty Crusaders.
The Minutemen were then created to resemble that group.
Um, Actually Silk Specter was The Phantom Lady
I'm here getting in the comments as I know brennen would have yelled
Um, actually Huntress was never a Charlton character.
GET IN THE COMMENTS!
i'm in the comments... what now?
@@bakedmomo5693 shit, I never thought we would get this far
Let's just stare at each other in an awkwardly silent manner and wait...
You guys have been staring at each other for hours.
Just kiss already.
Um, actually... It's "who watches the Watchmen"
Who watches the ownsmen?
S2E20
But who is she?
Booo, no way she doesn’t deserve a point for that
for those wondering the answer is Nightowl was Batman
Nite owl was batman
Nite Owl was supposed to be Batman?
GET IN THE COMMENTS!