Should You Build It Or Buy It?
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My friend had a 45’ camper on his property upstate NY. He later sold it and approached a shed company about building him a building shell to living code. They did and delivered it at a very reasonable cost. He finished the interior and now has a two bedroom cabin on his property. Very economical way of going about it for him.
Great looking shed Doug, thanks for sharing with us! Adam, if you’re going to build it go with 2x6 walls, stronger floor joists and rafters, the woods and setting dormant for long periods will cause rot. Bigger boards and insulation will make it easier to heat and cool and more enjoyable to use year around. Build it to last. Good luck. 🍀🙏🏻
I was so impressed with the functions of the trailer and the smaller device! Seems to have been specially built for the purpose.
Shed Happens is a TH-cam channel that delivers and picks up sheds.
Very purpose built equipment.
@@haroldphipps3457 haha, I've watched a bunch of his REPO videos. He's outta there in 15 minutes!!
Pre-fabs are great but honestly, since you can produce most of the materials (minus the sheathing and metal roof), it makes perfect sense to build your own. That gives you some great content, you learn new techniques, and we get to learn and be entertained. A win-win in my book.
We bought a shed like this a few years ago, I am definitely a DIY kind of guy, but it was actually less expensive to buy, even with the upgraded floor joists, siding, etc. Those trailers and crawler mover machines are amazing! They put my shed out back exactly where I wanted it in minutes...
Good deal, Adam. Thanks for always including prices. That trailer is slick. There is a TH-camr that I've been watching. It's called "ShedHappens" and he delivers (and also REPOs!!) sheds. He had the one outta there in about 15 minutes!!
$17,000 w/ upgrades of roll-up garage door, 4ft loft, 4 windows, & 2x6 pressure-treated tongue/groove flooring (instead of plywood)..... 504 ft2 equals $33.75 per ft2
Look forward to watching you build your cabin.
I vote for sawmill lumber built cabin. Post & Beam. I would encourage you to watch Sawing with Sandy. This guy has sawmill and built a cabin, a shed, and a sawmill shack from lumber he saws on site. Has Woodland Mills saw. Lumber is always a little green and he talks how to deal with it.
As for moving a prebuilt shed in the woods, check out Shed-Happens. This guy delivers and also repos sheds. Amazing the places he puts or pulls sheds from.
I have got to say that is the best shed I have ever seen, I also think it’s great value, well done Doug!
Good info, I’m sure Doug will add his own touches to make the shed even better for his needs. But at least he has a place to store stuff and keep them dry for now.
Lol
The whole purpose of owning a sawmill is to build stuff like this for yourself. My house and every barn/shed/shop building on my place were built with lumber cut off my place.
You can do things like use 2x6 for exterior wall studs for better insulation cavity, for example....because sawing 2x6 costs you almost no more than sawing 2x4's on your own mill. My house has a DOUBLE exterior wall....2x4 on 24" center outside, 2x4 on 16" center inside with a 1" gap between walls, joined at the top with a 3/4" plywood plate. The exterior insulation factor is great ! And didn't have to drill a single stud to run wiring.
You can build a more energy/siding efficient building by going more square on site. Long rectangles are necessary to haul down the road, but if you look at the % of exterior wall to floor space, a more square building has significantly less exterior wall to floor space ratio than a long, narrow box. Do the math and see.
Eddie Smith , What is the R- value in your double wall house??
@@markvolesky5239 Somewhere in the R-30 range. I used 1" foam board on top 1/2" plywood sheathing on the exterior. Today, I'd probably go double 2x3 walls and foam between them. ( I built mine in 1985, foam wasn't around).
One of the major advantages of a double wall is the studs are not a conduit of heat loss. You can build with 2x6 wall, for example and put R-19 in the stud cavity, but the stud itself is only R-9 (wood R 1.5/inch).....so the overall wall is reduced by the number of studs making both inside and outside contact.
I have a sawmill, take down trees for a living, yr round, all types of free logs. Was cheaper and easier to by a nice building, than sacrifice work time to cut and build.I even have an attatchment for my sawmill, that makes beveled siding. Sounds crazy, but after 31 yrs. ,you learn what works better.
Looks like another fun adventure for y'all. Have a Safe Day
Saw, mill, build. Content for the next year!
Siding a Shed with Freshly Sawn Lumber. Adam, I wanted you to see this (Sawing with sandy) you can check out his channel, you stated that you could use your own lumber.
You CAN build with green lumber. The time is finally here and I'm siding a shed with freshly sawn lumber that I milled from red pine trees I harvest here at my woodlot. Today I'll be showing you the nailing pattern I use to install green "wet" lumber without the board splitting. Sept. 19, 2021
I love your background music. I catch myself humming it. 😂
It would be awesome to see you build a cabin with your own milled lumber. Much more pride in doing so
I had a 12x24 delivered last year in NWPA for $2300. Board and batten and it was made by the Amish. I love my shed and how quick they got it to me.
Adam, I would to agree with bwilliam that getting prebuilt where you want to go may be difficult. One thing about building it your self is when you are done with it you can look back and say I built that. Have a wonderful rest of the day. And good luck on your building
The beauty of a "portable" shed is that if it is well looked after it would be easy to sell on as no planning needed. Could be gone in a weekend.
There is another channel on TH-cam that I've been watching the last few weeks. It's called "ShedHappens" and he delivers (and also REPOs them!!) He had the one outta there in about 15 minutes!!
Great video.... they sell a lot of those in my neighborhood. Nice shed and nice floor
Adam, i am not sure how far you are back in the woods, but it probably would be cheaper to build since you have access to a sawmill. This would eliminate cost for for a difficult spot. Also, milling and drying your own lumbet is way cheaper than buying it. You would also have actual 2x4 which would be stronger. Like you said you are not in a hurry. I lnow the accounting background you have, you will do a spreadsheet comparison on cost to build or cost to buy. Good luck to you and your family as you decide!
Where we live NO building permits are required, this includes Homes, garages and barns etc.. The freedom realized is how it should be, no bureaucrats meddling in your business. It's sad that people have to obtain permission and than pay them (bribe money) to build a home..
Have you considered adapting a shipping container or two ? It’s “portable” for your local regulations but able to be changed to a design you want.
Just a thought.
Sweet shed/shop! Convenience is key
You can't always evaluate which option to choose based solely on cost, because there is a value to the learning process. For example, it's usually cheaper to just buy clothes already made, instead of sewing them. The cost of the fabric, the machine, the patterns, the time invested -- it adds up. So, sure, you could just go to the store and buy that outfit, and that would be more convenient. But then you wouldn't learn to sew. Sometimes, it's one option, sometimes, the other. Adam, you have a great opportunity here to learn and add to your skill set. I'd say go for it and do the DIY build. Just keep all your fingers!
Build a post and beam cabin, cover the exterior with board and batten siding. Cutting the mortises and tenons is a great winter project.
Looking forward to seeing you build your own cabin, I was just like you many years ago, wanted a little cabin but didn’t have the knowledge, I made a lot of mistakes and learned a lot! In the end it all worked out and we had a snug little cabin that we enjoyed for many years.
Shed in the morning and Jeep doors hung up by the afternoon, can't beat it!
You could also put rough cut lumber 1/2 logs on the outside so that you could eliminate the plywood aspect completely.
Especially since you will be milling your own lumber I would recommend 2x6 framing. You can insulate much better and make the cabin much more user friendly. Some rough sawn 1x live edge would be great for siding as well.
Based on my shed build a few years ago, the $17K price for what Doug got delivered was a good deal, especially in the current economic climate we're living in.
Looking forward to the "Cabin in the Woods Build" on Hometown Acres. That will be an exciting video I'm sure. Great video Adam, thumbs up.
You could do board and batten siding.
Because of your videos I am looking at creating a pond/swimming dam. Would love to use you as inspiration for a cabin as well.
Cool, I've never seen them unload one before.
You could also do board and baton siding. That would save you money vs plywood siding. It would also give it a rustic look.
Have you considered building the cabin post and beam instead of with stick framing? That would add a lot of rustic character. Regardless of framing, you could use 1x boards for sheathing instead of plywood. Just make sure to dry them before installing them so you don't end up with gaps from the shrinkage! I have a big barn repair/restoration project coming up myself and will be using siding and flooring materials milled from my timber by a neighbor.
The width is really nice. But if you do not need that size but do need sturdy and quick, it is hard to beat shipping containers. I have had two that I use for storage for my business, and they are about 3k delivered. I put a lean-to type flat roof between them and park my tractor and law mower equipment there. I have had mine for about 18 years now.
Forget the shed, how about that trailer !!!😲
Buying vs building in my opinion comes down to what would make you more happy, having the end product is the same but the 'road' to get there differs a lot. Buying it and placing it costs a couple of days of research and one day of placing it. Building it yourselves takes longer, some mistakes will happen along the way but the joy and fulfillment of doing it yourself will be a big reward. And for the viewers it will also make really nice footage. I might be a bit biased since I really like saw mill videos ;).
You might want to start with a simple structure like a cover for the sawmill of a place to dry your lumber to get some experience and learn how to do it before you start on a more advanced structure like a shed with windows, insulation, electricity etc. Both from a project kind of view as well as experience on the sawmill. There are a lot of great videos about off grid sheds and tiny houses where you can learn a lot and even about permits and regulations you need to meet.
Like always, great to see the process and progress and good luck on all your projects!
You will have fun building the cabin. Doug will be there to help with advice (maybe more). Mr nosy here wants to know why Doug has all those doors in his new building.
The price is pretty decent to be honest and I would just buy from them.. permits and planning can add up quick. In our area you can't use your own stick lumber when a permit is involved as the 2x4 or 2x6 have to be stamped lumber same as the roof trusses. You might want to check with your planning dept before cutting all that lumber
Good point. Lumber may need to be stamped. Better off asking some questions first.
There's gotta be loopholes... like say it's just an outhouse..? Yeah the bad thing is it'll be very "public" whatever he does.
@@toocoolfortheroom380 yes it's on a public platform and it would be a shame to have to tear it down but with off grid cabins becoming big building depts are cracking down and the size he wants they will be all over it. Also ou get property
Taxed on fixed buildings ... moveable you don't...
My vote is build it yourself because you have a sawmill. Also think of the great videos you will get and channel growth. Just plan it out in detail before any cutting starts.
If I had the means to do it myself I think I would. Where I live you can build one this size for half that money. The way they move these buildings is pretty cool.
they also make good log home/cabin Kits you can buy wether they be round faced logs, flat face logs ... they come premarked with Letters/numbers to go with plans given ....you can work with a company on a design on how you want it to be . but also something like a 16 x 40 shed you could just reskin in with quarter logs as siding and it goes on usually blocks on each corner thats on a cement pad the size of the cabin/shed .. everything is up to your budget...
you can get those with a front porch that amish make
If you have any thoughts of sleeping in the cabin in the winter, use 2x6 wall studs so you can insulate properly.
Building these from scratch is a lot of work for someone who doesn't have experience or tools. There is a ton of planning needed to get all of the measurements right. If you do decide to built yourself, you can pull the assembly manuals for the sheds sold at box stores to help speed up planning of your dimensions. Of course, I wouldn't follow their exact plans because the box store sheds are not well built. Even so, it's a good starting point and easy to take their stuff and beef it up with a few structural and material modifications here and there and end up with a much more solid result.
My dad has property in Somerset. He has 2 from Amish builders. Great quality.
I prefer build, only because i enjoy it so much. Its also more customizable to your wants and needs.
you can mill everything you need for the woods cabin, clapboards for siding and use it for the roof sheathing, you should be able to mill it all.
In my mind, build your cabin is definitly the best way. This is a new project and we always need project.
How much time that you have and what type of resources do you have is a big decider for me. I know how to saw everything it takes down to roofing on a mill. I would have wiring, and plumbing to buy but all the rest and of course I forgot the felt paper and insulation. I have seen sawdust used for insulating walls and it works for the most part but any moisture can be a nasty mildew and mold that stops that for working in high humidity areas.
Build it yourself. MUCH cheaper. You can build a steeper roof pitch, overhangs, etc. to make it look nicer.
He can also go higher for more loft height for beds!
Great plan on bldg
Isn’t Doug just such a great guy
I don't live that far from you and I'm rural but my 9x12 barn( mobile) had to have a permit and was taxed. My problem was that the township supervisor seen it. Most sheds are by size,also if electrified. Mostly keep it to yourself and build away. Blessings
The roof on that shed looks woefully underbuilt to handle any kind of snow load in Pennsylvania. Virtually no collar ties. Skippy rafters. Wow!
Doug I agree they throw these together but with no overhangs an no trusses it won’t last forever. Way too much money for this
The first thing i would do is put in collar ties and hang gutters. like you said fifteen inches of snow would blow the walls out ,unless Doug plans on heating it.
The first thing i would do is lift the roof structure and double up that header, then beef up each rafter! This shed will be good as is for about 25-40 years, but it will need maintenance as with everything else in this world!
Lifting the roof seems like a crazy idea, but adding some collar ties or even some gusset plates or a combination would be a pretty easy and cheap addition. I built my shed 12x16 in 2013 with heavy duty gussets on each rafter plus two collar ties. Roof is shingled and all is well all these years later.
@@Redneck_Ed crazy, maybe, but doable, and the other thing that could be done is to wrap the inside top sill with 6 inches of 1/2 inch plywood, to stiffen and help support the upper sill.
cool video, not bad price for good quality
For Adams cabin in the woods, it would be rather difficult to get a pre-made structure of any size delivered to his location in the woods. If Adam has enough softwood logs, he could make all of the siding and sheathing material from 1x6 or 1x8 boards like they used to do before plywood and OSB became common in the building industry.
A square is the most efficient use of linear wall vs sq ft. A 25 x 25 would use the same linear wall as Doug's 14x36 and have 120 more sq ft.
Plus, a wider width will give you more "upstairs" room.
I'd be looking at building about a 20x20 with a loft. A square building will look much more like a cabin, than a trailer-haul shed also.
@@nicholascooper1193 good points
yeah, I like the way traditional board and batten siding looks I think you can even put it up green and let it dry on the building.
amazing! that is just awesome
Hey great video, I love the music, who are they? thanks
I know someone that purchased a similar building and made it into a cabin. They insulated and drywalled the inside, had electrical run to it. Eventually they’ll get water to it.
I bought a 12 x 20 cabin which actually turned out to be 11’2’’ outside measurements. The quality of the build is lacking, next one will be homemade. I actually waited over three months for delivery. Build your own Adam. Good building for Doug, because just what he wanted and needed. Thanks for sharing.
I have a Amish built shed, after about 10 years the wall are starting to rot out .
Because of the lack of roof overhang
Yup, same thing happened with ours. We won`t ever go that route again.
buy and it would a good place to store your tractor or shop .I have a 24x36
I extrapolated the cost of a 120 sqft shed (12'×10') with the options I wanted from about 5 years ago, and as a 504 sqft it would be just under $14k. I know that some things don't scale easily like maybe some longer/bigger boards, and this was 5 years ago in MA not now in PA, but anyway the pricing seemed reasonable.
Depends on the local government on whether or not you need a permit for a portable shed not the state government.
Not sure where you are located but where I’m located I purchased mine for $7200 in early 2021 14x32 one window, man door, roll up door in front, tongue & groove subfloor not acx plywood. What you are showing here is top of the line which means big $$$ you can build one for less in some areas because no permit is required. The one in the video has cheap OSB T1 mine has actual plywood T1-11. All these sheds have 4x4 or larger skids that the floor joist sit on with 2x6 joists.
If your gonna make a loft to sleep in add a knee wall to add height to the ceiling. Also add a window up in the loft in case you put a wood stove in there and sleep and it’s super hot up top. I would also say skip insulation mice love to live in cabins that you go to once a month.
Adam you can build it any way you want & a lot sturdier then that shed. That shed is built as just a shed use only . But that's just my thought .
I was seriously distracted by the forklift!😱😄 Shed all the way! You can clad it to look like a log cabin. No permit🎉🎊🎉! My brother-in-law had one built - would have been much better off with a shed!
You could build a sawmill and drying shed so you have a place to cut, dry, and store the wood you will use to build your cabin in the woods!
Use hempcrete slip form wall construction over 2x6. Or 8. Insulates, regulates humidity, captures carbon, water proof, Fire proof, bug proof. It dries to petrified wood like and even the family can tamp it in. Great deer lease cabin and camp. Great to market the firewood business and win a raffle hunt.
I live down south of you a little in butler pa. Anything over 100 sq feet needs a permit. I was under the same understanding you are. Unfortunately I was wrong. They got me for not having a permit for a carport. It's a joke
Instead of plywood siding, consider board and batten siding cut from your mill.
For a cabin, This sounds like a great way to go, and would give you a lot of practice on your mill.
That would b perfect size for a off grid cabin.
What's with no 2x10 header above your windows. Any snow load to worry about.
The Amish sheds are so overbuilt, I wish I didn’t leave mine at my last property… will definitely buy one again
I’d like to know how you see they are over built?
@@budgetbackyardbuilds1745 sold my property and left it, all I remember is the shed was rock solid. No osb or particle board.. tongue and groove floor, and stud spacing was 12” on center.
Hi Adam/Doug, I'm up in Erie and have been looking for a shed (albeit a bit smaller) for my property. Can you share where you got this one from?
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I guess if you don't have the time, that's the way to go. I'm retired so I would mill my own.
If your going to build your own you can buy a post and beam plan from Jamaica Cottage which will have the exact cut list you can cut yourself and customize as you see fit. Plus post and beam use less wood than stick framing. And post and beam is way cooler than stick framing 😎
100% build a cabin - a well built cabin can last generations - the shed is temporary and for work
Some kinda weak roofing system.
*I never have asked permission to build any of my home structures. I just don't understand why people continue to do it.*
Shhhhhh, "they" are listening!!!
And you DON'T need 'underlayment' (of which OSB is the cheapest and worst choice) for a metal roof. Full 5/4x4s or 5/4x6s on 12-16" centers are a MUCH better choice for metal. Metal moves with heat and cold. Go look at a metal roof sheathed with 7/16 OSB after a couple years. A lot of the screws will be backed out 3/8" or more BECAUSE THAT CRAPPY OSB DOESN'T HOLD THEM IN !
I've noticed in the comments that no one has said anything about those "kits" that you can get from like home depot or Lowe's, whatever you do Do Not do that . Those kits are complete garbage
Can vouch. Avoid the shed kits. I bought a yard model 14*25 a few years back, was able to electrify, insulate and finish the interior walls & flooring myself: total cost was abt $14k. When I moved it this year, the same Shed Co. offered me $20k for it. ... no deal. Sheds of that size are Rare and Expensive at the moment.
If you’re doing permit you better ask if you can use milled wood as it’s supposed to have engineer stamp.
If it’s a dwelling it has to be stamped, nobody will be living in this. Just camping in it a few times a year
@@HometownAcres be careful with that. My neighbor in Michigan just built a pole barn and put in a furnace to heat it. As soon as he did that, they called it a dwelling and he needed to insulate it to get his final permit. He took the furnace down to keep moving
@@HometownAcres just advice, do with it as you may
100 percent correct, the townships are not stupid they know a cabin in the woods someone will sleep in it... don't get caught up in it, an upset building inspector can cause you big problems. You run the risk of a tear down not using stamped lumber or if you ever sell the property you may run into problems with the structure or a lawsuit. If you want to use your own stick lumber there are companies that will come out and inspect your lumber and stamp it.... lots of videos on TH-cam from guys explaining getting lumber stamped and what happens if you use lumber not stamped.
@@robertmccall8666 yup 2x4s are so cheap again
How will it compare to a shipping container?? $$?
I think a bigger loft with upper windows. Inside i use ship lap planks. As the wood drys out you don't get a ugly gap between the planks.
One last thing. Watch out for animals living under the cabin.
A nightmare to get rid of.
Adam build it. I bought a mill in June just got it together in September have 4 boards made so far. Goal have tiny cabin built 3.5 yrs when last kid out. N I too no experience building. Bill. Chadwick Illinois
By the time you consider your time sawing and building its not necessarily economical. With that said you have a mill, spare time, and it would be fun.
What are the (store bought) materials cost today not counting labor?
Better off going 5 " log cabin when ya get milling. cabin in woods. The Amish build them cheaper here in Ontario Canada
Jeep owner!
I recently went through this process too. I have no codes or city/state crap to have to meet as I'm way out in the country. I went back and forth as to building or buying and buying won hands down. You're lucky that you can cut your own wood and save a lot of money where most people can't. Doug is 100% right in all statements. These guys can put together a quality building for less money and time than you can and also probably build it better. They build them all the time so won't make the mistakes you would with cuts, estimates, etc. I really like his shed.
Adam, ask your Buddy, Doug who make these and if he has a 1/800/ number. Are they in Pa. That is Very nice.
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Thanks Adam. Check out (Sawing with sandy) building a shed with green lumber. on you tu*e can't put it all in there, they don't like it, Y Tube 🤣
He has done a sawmill building as well, good info on that.
That’s a great building! And great that we can bypass the building permit process for these portable buildings. Where was this one from? -Chad #purplecollarlife
That shed algorithm though
How many of you looked at your phone when Doug's phone rang like I did?
Don't cut your self short on size you'll also need a little storage space.