What's pretty cool about Beast Eidolons is that Beasts in Pathfinder aren't just animals. Your beast could be a pegasus, or a phoenix, or a water orm. Regular animals are for Druids & Rangers; go wild!
I was hoping someone would mention that! The options are so insane that making it "an animal" is doing yourself a disservice. Just a few other fun bits of inspiration for anyone who sees this: krakens, manticores, chupacabras, sphinxes, gargoyles, and wargs, just to name a few.
@@davidhigdon794 So I could technically play as any race I want, as long as I have a summoner with me…hmmm… I can play a merfolk on land and it’ll make sense coz…magical creature!
I made a Chimera eidolon that's a hulking panther-like creature(a mix of Yak-like shoulders/strength and swift panther nibleness) with three horns (one unicorn style+2 sheep horns), lynx ears, echidna spikes scattered in its thick fur, 6 legs like Sleipnir and a long, balancing tail (debating if I should add a scorpion stinger). He'll absolutely become Huge and might get wings at some point. As we level up he'll mutate and grow and might gain other beast features! Why play one beast when you can have ALL of them! His name's Mishra, I drew him and he's honestly not as freaky as the description makes it sound, just a big weirdo cat that I love dearly.
I think of them as basically Pharasma's angels. Pharasma is the oldest still-existing God in Pathfinder lore right now I think, so she's pretty much the most divine being in existence. I think the lore even says something about her creating the material planes or something similarly significant. The weirder thing is that she has domain over healing rather than harming, even though like at least half her psychopomps are scarily more effective at snuffing out mortal lives than they are at fighting the undead (which they hunt). Speaking of, as you clearly noticed you want a psychopomp to fight alongside you against the undead. Although many are arguably better at killing the living, they have techniques clearly developed to counter special traits of the undead.
@@Hope-kp3lb Psychopomps from a Greek word but are used to refer to any being that takes the dead to their afterlives "In various systems of religious belief, a being, such as a god or a person acting as a shaman, who guides the spirits of the dead to the afterlife or the otherworld." Charon is an example from Greek myth but usually death deities are Psychopomps (Anubis, Yama, Hermes/Mercury, Xolotl) The Grim Reaper or Angel of Death is modern example of a Psychopomp
Quick note: You said "Angels don't take a penalty to deal lethal damage with a non-lethal weapon." It's actually the other way around. They can do non-lethal damage with their unarmed attacks that are normally lethal at no penalty.
Im about to start my first 2e campaign and Im debating between Sorcerer and Summoner so Im BLESSED by these guides good god. Im a fish out of water rn having only played 5e until now.
A friend of mine introduced me to the summoner class when they heard I had been trying to make a set of homebrew ratfolk twins with the mystic class who used the same actions and hit points in D&D 5e. Literally every part of this class allows me to make the original character concept(s) with official sources by turning one of the twins into the eidolon and eventually add the Psychic archetype (once that's hopefully available). I'm so happy you finally made a video on this, cause putting together my Summoner in Wanderer's Guide was hella confusing without your commentary.
Isn't Psychic one of the current playtest classes?! Meaning it WILL be available in the future, I would guess next year some time but it might be longer! I don't know how long the Magus and Summoner playtests were out before they made Secrets of Magic!
@@JacksonOwex Based on the Secrets of Magic playtest that came out September last year I would expect Dark Archive out around the same time SoM was supposed to be released July/August or so.
I really can't wait to see the list of Eidolons expanded, having both of the Occult ones be different types of phantom instead of an Aberrant is just criminal. Also need an Undead, elemental, and devil Eidolons.
Just wanna say: I don’t play tabletop games (outside a few times with coworkers), but they really spark my imagination and creativity while thinking what it’d be like to walk in someone else’s shoes. So thank you!
The summoner is one of the easiest classes to fill with flavor, and background. Thank you for this video! I can't tell if I want to play iron man, a sprite with a huge plant eidolon, or a fleshwarp with an angel stand.
I love how with bloodlines, eidolon types, etc. Things that give you the primal spell list seem to also give you the best class features. As if they don't understand that the best spell list is primal or something. (Druid bias showing a bit here)
I've been playing a Summoner in the current Pathfinder campaign I play in and am loving it. I have a Dragon eidolon that I'm currently working my best to turn into as close to full-fledged dragon as possible with size increases and flight and all, while the summoner himself I've been using the Free Archetype feats to go into Oracle and start getting some divine support spells. So as a fight demands it, I can be running a full-on frontline behemoth with my dragon eidolon, or I can play backline support and fling off heals and buffs and the occasional damaging spell with the summoner, and with having them both out and controlling them, I can switch focuses on the fly mid-fight should the tide turn one way or the other. It's made for a really fun and adaptive style of play that has been a blast.
You know, I've always noticed 'em, but in this video they seem way more pronounced, but DAMN Nonat, you got some canines like a vampire! Great videos, it's always great to see you talk about fun stuff.
A summoner that's a medic that focuses on healing can just hide in a box while it's now immortal eidolon just goes on a rampage. Think Beast eidilon, only spells the summoner casts in combat are 1-action healing, and the beast just takes 3 actions per round to move and attack.
Okay you make playing a character so interesting that I had originally shunned this idea as "too complex" but you make it understandable in such a way that now I want to try it out for myself. :D Subbed.
These videos are so frickin useful-- I've watched a lot of your class videos multiple times. Having the visual of the book page up while you narrate and rephrase the class specifics is so helpful & good for my learning style 🙌 thank you!!
Yaaay Summoner! And hi Stella :D Demons can be smol cause imps, Constructs cant cause miniaturization isn't a thing I guess? (unless you're some kinda smol modron or whatever) Also Psychopomp is crazy. Wanna kill a lich or vampire and can't find their phylactery or coffin? Psychopomp Punch them to the Boneyard!
Mind you, *only undead with the ability to avoid being permanently destroyed by mundane means* can make counteract checks against the psychopomp eidolon's effect, and there's no Will save - the Will *modifier* is used as the counteract modifier. Standard undead are just automatically put into Pharasma's waiting room as normal, though it could be implied that this possibly permanently prevents that same undead from being brought back again? Like maybe the bones of a skelly-boy are just thanos-snapped by the psychopomp or something iunno.
I had a concept in 1st Edition Pathfinder of a Gnome Summoner with a strong desire to become a knight riding his Eidolon into battle with a spear like it was a lance. Honestly, this concept is going to work so much better with 2nd Edition with the Act Together action and the Beast Eidolon.
Thank god this exists, Im joining a pathfinder game for the first time and I am *not* about all that reading. I can just skip about to the important bits and have someone explain it to me in a way thats easy to understand. (My character is a beast eidelon feral child who was raised by bears. Her summon is a bear that she calls "little brother". Im very excited)
Does the Psychopomp Eidolon final ability work on liches?? Also the Boneyard is like the cosmic crossroads: people go there after they die before being sent to whatever afterlife fits best. The psychopomps check if there is a deity that wants you in their divine realm as a petitioner, or you may be sent to an outer plane matching your alignment. Some souls stay in the Boneyard and wander around, and some even become other psychopomps. The Duskwalker versatile heritage is tied to the Boneyard Lore-wise, as it's a person that died and went to the Boneyard, then returned to try and live their life again.
Eidolons actually have a purpose much like how Final Fantasy’s Eidolons are since they are summons which the Summoner can call into battle but will have to locate and best in battle to call them into battle to aid you. Though this class could be interesting
My favorite Summoner build so far is a Skeleton with a Plant Eidolon that is flavored as a mass of mostly fungus. The concept being that while attempting to turn the fungus into a Leshy, an experimenting Druid accidentally brought the Skeleton back to life as well and now the fungus and Skeleton's life forces are just naturally linked to one another. Justifies the shared HP pool nicely too.
Normally, when I think of an exorcist, I picture either a paladin or a cleric tyring to exorcise it through prayer. After watching this, I'm now thinking of trying out a Psychopomp Eidelon Summoner who works as an exorcist, because the thought of punching a possessive spirit out of someone is becoming too funny to pass up.
The thing that's bothering me is the difference in power level between Eidolons. I'm not sure why I would want to choose an Angel eidolon and be locked into the divine spell list for such weak benefits, when things like Beast and Construct seem so much stronger with better spell lists.
I guess I'm that guy 😜 but 60 foot cone is more than 2x area of a 30ft cone because the rate increases as you go outward. How much is hard because people debate about what shape a cone is on a grid but with a hex grid a cone would at 5ft increments cover 1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78 so a 30 ft cone would cover 21 hexes and 60 ft would cover a whopping 78 over triple the area. Whereas with a line you can just double it. So with doubling cones are totally your friend
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Summoner class or archetype. The Eidolon has some areas in which it is inferior to another class casting a summoning spell. For example, a Cleric can cast Summon Lesser Servitor to summon a Cassisian (one of the Summoner's possible eidolons). When they do, it gains two actions when summoned as well as every time the Cleric uses a single action to sustain their spell. It also has its own health pool as opposed to the Eidolon. I think the Summoner needs some errata to buff them and make their Eidolon more desirable when compared to a normal summoning spell. My Cleric's summoned creature should not be able to outperform a dedicated Summoner's Eidolon in any area (like action economy). I mean, it's beneficial to me but I do feel sorry for people playing Summoners.
not to be a nitpicky punk but your contingency example for the fey wouldn't work, as contingency only effects YOU. so you could queue up a contingent 2 action heal for the eidolon itself, but not the barbarian
Paizo limits flying to mid/high-levels for balance purposes. There is a feat you can take at 1st level to allow it to glide and another at 14th level that gives it full flight.
2:40 - When you get to part 2, if you wouldn't mind, could you clarify how an eidolon's skill advancement works? I'm trying to figure out if (ignoring dual studies) the summoner and eidolon always have the same skill proficiencies at the same level of proficiency (e.g. when the summoner becomes a Master of Occult, so does the eidolon automatically) or if the RAW mean to say that the eidolon is proficient (trained) in all the summoner's starting skills but doesn't level up skills automatically (that the summoner must spend class features directly on the eidolon for skill increases). I believe the correct rule is the former, but in looking around for opinions, I've seen both rulings.
Actually, if you want a Chain Devil Eidolon what you do is... close the book and go back to Pathfinder 1, because Pathfinder 2 doesn't have Devil Eidolons. Because while there are many options, there are still not nearly enough
When it comes to Eidolons it never really says where it's hit points are. Does it use your hitpoints meaning that when you get hurt it gets hurt and vice versa? Or does it have it's own pool according to it's creature type? Does it get 5 per summoner level like a familiar? Also what's it's AC?
imagine being chaotic evil and having a lawful good angel eidolon who is desperately trying to get you to not be so much of a dick maybe if you go with the merge ability, you become true neutral for a time lol
when I first read the Eidolon rules I asume that you can make a range Eidolon cuz never said that had to be mele unarmed attack (you can say your angel eidolon it carry a spear and that is it unarmed attack on that logic and without specificialy mentinon of the "mele" condition of their attack you can say that it carrying a bow and that it unarmed attack...) then I read the feat and all click... I was a litle disapointed but it have logic... xD
Thank you grumpychris! that sounds like it would work extremely well for crowd control! I might combine that with a well spring gnome who has “protect companion” as an innate spell and the “life giving magic” ancestry feat to give them the ability to absorb some damage too.
@@pango4425 Correct, though that is only for attacking on your turn. For purposes of AoO or flanking, it would be 20 feet as tendril strike only gives that one attack the additional 5 with no duration.
A 32 minute video is not long. Personally I don't mind videos over 3 hours. Bur apologizing for making your video "long" when it's barely long enough to read the titles is very odd to me.
Love the video, but I feel like the pace is too fast. You seem to be enthusiastic about the material, but the way you race through it counteracts that some. Comes across either as more worried about time than content, or worse, simply disingenuous to your actual passion for the game because you just want to get through it. I've noticed this as a rising trend in your videos of late.
What's pretty cool about Beast Eidolons is that Beasts in Pathfinder aren't just animals. Your beast could be a pegasus, or a phoenix, or a water orm. Regular animals are for Druids & Rangers; go wild!
That means I could even summon a Centaur since it’s classified as a beast and not a humanoid?
Hmm…being a summon would solve that ladder issue, lol!
I was hoping someone would mention that! The options are so insane that making it "an animal" is doing yourself a disservice. Just a few other fun bits of inspiration for anyone who sees this: krakens, manticores, chupacabras, sphinxes, gargoyles, and wargs, just to name a few.
@@davidhigdon794 So I could technically play as any race I want, as long as I have a summoner with me…hmmm…
I can play a merfolk on land and it’ll make sense coz…magical creature!
I made a Chimera eidolon that's a hulking panther-like creature(a mix of Yak-like shoulders/strength and swift panther nibleness) with three horns (one unicorn style+2 sheep horns), lynx ears, echidna spikes scattered in its thick fur, 6 legs like Sleipnir and a long, balancing tail (debating if I should add a scorpion stinger). He'll absolutely become Huge and might get wings at some point. As we level up he'll mutate and grow and might gain other beast features!
Why play one beast when you can have ALL of them! His name's Mishra, I drew him and he's honestly not as freaky as the description makes it sound, just a big weirdo cat that I love dearly.
but....
what if you chose a goat,
and named her pepa?
Psycopomps are divine because they're Outsiders belonging to Phasmas realm. All Outsiders are classified as divine for Eidolons
I think of them as basically Pharasma's angels. Pharasma is the oldest still-existing God in Pathfinder lore right now I think, so she's pretty much the most divine being in existence. I think the lore even says something about her creating the material planes or something similarly significant.
The weirder thing is that she has domain over healing rather than harming, even though like at least half her psychopomps are scarily more effective at snuffing out mortal lives than they are at fighting the undead (which they hunt). Speaking of, as you clearly noticed you want a psychopomp to fight alongside you against the undead. Although many are arguably better at killing the living, they have techniques clearly developed to counter special traits of the undead.
Aren't they just pathfinder version of Valkyries in Norse mythos
@@Hope-kp3lb Psychopomps from a Greek word but are used to refer to any being that takes the dead to their afterlives "In various systems of religious belief, a being, such as a god or a person acting as a shaman, who guides the spirits of the dead to the afterlife or the otherworld." Charon is an example from Greek myth but usually death deities are Psychopomps (Anubis, Yama, Hermes/Mercury, Xolotl) The Grim Reaper or Angel of Death is modern example of a Psychopomp
Quick note: You said "Angels don't take a penalty to deal lethal damage with a non-lethal weapon." It's actually the other way around. They can do non-lethal damage with their unarmed attacks that are normally lethal at no penalty.
Im about to start my first 2e campaign and Im debating between Sorcerer and Summoner so Im BLESSED by these guides good god. Im a fish out of water rn having only played 5e until now.
Which did you choose? I made a summoner and our first session was last weekend and had a blast already. This weekend can't come fast enough.
A friend of mine introduced me to the summoner class when they heard I had been trying to make a set of homebrew ratfolk twins with the mystic class who used the same actions and hit points in D&D 5e. Literally every part of this class allows me to make the original character concept(s) with official sources by turning one of the twins into the eidolon and eventually add the Psychic archetype (once that's hopefully available). I'm so happy you finally made a video on this, cause putting together my Summoner in Wanderer's Guide was hella confusing without your commentary.
Isn't Psychic one of the current playtest classes?! Meaning it WILL be available in the future, I would guess next year some time but it might be longer! I don't know how long the Magus and Summoner playtests were out before they made Secrets of Magic!
@@JacksonOwex Based on the Secrets of Magic playtest that came out September last year I would expect Dark Archive out around the same time SoM was supposed to be released July/August or so.
I really can't wait to see the list of Eidolons expanded, having both of the Occult ones be different types of phantom instead of an Aberrant is just criminal. Also need an Undead, elemental, and devil Eidolons.
At least we know Undead is coming out in March with the Book of the Dead
@@slykins2006 I did not know that. that is good news at least.
1 year later.... 1 out of 3 isn't bad
@@faultyvideos2215 Now 2 out of 4! We have an elemental, still no aberrant nor devil
Just wanna say: I don’t play tabletop games (outside a few times with coworkers), but they really spark my imagination and creativity while thinking what it’d be like to walk in someone else’s shoes.
So thank you!
The summoner is one of the easiest classes to fill with flavor, and background. Thank you for this video! I can't tell if I want to play iron man, a sprite with a huge plant eidolon, or a fleshwarp with an angel stand.
"grab a drink..and you might want to put something else in it." Good, liquor in liquor it is then.
Way ahead of you.
Sounds great. Cheers! Lol
Here's to the clockwork eidolon named Boilermaker, the mix master.
I love how with bloodlines, eidolon types, etc. Things that give you the primal spell list seem to also give you the best class features. As if they don't understand that the best spell list is primal or something. (Druid bias showing a bit here)
Only a primal caster can petrify someone, then unpetrify them
nonat got punched into the boneyard and had to end the video prematurely 😵
I can't wait for Undead Eidolons in Book of the Dead...
I'm just imagining a rookie necromancer who only ever managed to get one corpse up and running again
@@GoblinLord how about a ghost poppet controlling their own corpse?
I've been playing a Summoner in the current Pathfinder campaign I play in and am loving it. I have a Dragon eidolon that I'm currently working my best to turn into as close to full-fledged dragon as possible with size increases and flight and all, while the summoner himself I've been using the Free Archetype feats to go into Oracle and start getting some divine support spells. So as a fight demands it, I can be running a full-on frontline behemoth with my dragon eidolon, or I can play backline support and fling off heals and buffs and the occasional damaging spell with the summoner, and with having them both out and controlling them, I can switch focuses on the fly mid-fight should the tide turn one way or the other. It's made for a really fun and adaptive style of play that has been a blast.
You know, I've always noticed 'em, but in this video they seem way more pronounced, but DAMN Nonat, you got some canines like a vampire! Great videos, it's always great to see you talk about fun stuff.
A summoner that's a medic that focuses on healing can just hide in a box while it's now immortal eidolon just goes on a rampage. Think Beast eidilon, only spells the summoner casts in combat are 1-action healing, and the beast just takes 3 actions per round to move and attack.
Okay you make playing a character so interesting that I had originally shunned this idea as "too complex" but you make it understandable in such a way that now I want to try it out for myself. :D Subbed.
These videos are so frickin useful-- I've watched a lot of your class videos multiple times. Having the visual of the book page up while you narrate and rephrase the class specifics is so helpful & good for my learning style 🙌 thank you!!
I said this in another channel but in regards to Eidolon it's pronounced "Digimon". I mean it's just obvious
Eidolons' are the Champions!
Eidolon - Eidotal Lonsters?
I really want a Kobold Summoner whose Eidolon has the Shove trait on their primary attack to push enemies into Snares. Team up kings!
That's diabolical lol
Yaaay Summoner! And hi Stella :D
Demons can be smol cause imps, Constructs cant cause miniaturization isn't a thing I guess? (unless you're some kinda smol modron or whatever)
Also Psychopomp is crazy. Wanna kill a lich or vampire and can't find their phylactery or coffin? Psychopomp Punch them to the Boneyard!
Thank you so much, I’ve been trying to find a class to play for a friend’s campaign and I think you sold me on the summoner.
Mind you, *only undead with the ability to avoid being permanently destroyed by mundane means* can make counteract checks against the psychopomp eidolon's effect, and there's no Will save - the Will *modifier* is used as the counteract modifier.
Standard undead are just automatically put into Pharasma's waiting room as normal, though it could be implied that this possibly permanently prevents that same undead from being brought back again? Like maybe the bones of a skelly-boy are just thanos-snapped by the psychopomp or something iunno.
From what I'm seeing here... this is the stand user class.
You ORA ORA ORA with Dragon Eidolon at seventh level
I had a concept in 1st Edition Pathfinder of a Gnome Summoner with a strong desire to become a knight riding his Eidolon into battle with a spear like it was a lance. Honestly, this concept is going to work so much better with 2nd Edition with the Act Together action and the Beast Eidolon.
hear me out, make it an atypical steed, like a pegasus or something maybe a massive boar (I think boars are small, might be medium)
Thank god this exists, Im joining a pathfinder game for the first time and I am *not* about all that reading. I can just skip about to the important bits and have someone explain it to me in a way thats easy to understand.
(My character is a beast eidelon feral child who was raised by bears. Her summon is a bear that she calls "little brother". Im very excited)
I had food in my mouth when the outro music started and I almost choked on my egg noodles!!! I was not expecting that!
A duskwalker summoner who’s eidolon is their psychopomp dad would be amazing
Does the Psychopomp Eidolon final ability work on liches?? Also the Boneyard is like the cosmic crossroads: people go there after they die before being sent to whatever afterlife fits best. The psychopomps check if there is a deity that wants you in their divine realm as a petitioner, or you may be sent to an outer plane matching your alignment. Some souls stay in the Boneyard and wander around, and some even become other psychopomps. The Duskwalker versatile heritage is tied to the Boneyard Lore-wise, as it's a person that died and went to the Boneyard, then returned to try and live their life again.
13:50
Not sure how much it matters with Eidolon action economy, but Whirlwind Strike is 3 actions whereas this is only 2.
I keep thinking of the Scott Pilgrim Battle of the Bands scene
Eidolons actually have a purpose much like how Final Fantasy’s Eidolons are since they are summons which the Summoner can call into battle but will have to locate and best in battle to call them into battle to aid you. Though this class could be interesting
My favorite Summoner build so far is a Skeleton with a Plant Eidolon that is flavored as a mass of mostly fungus. The concept being that while attempting to turn the fungus into a Leshy, an experimenting Druid accidentally brought the Skeleton back to life as well and now the fungus and Skeleton's life forces are just naturally linked to one another. Justifies the shared HP pool nicely too.
Summoner: You watched Digimon as a kid
31:34 looks like you're going to the shadow realm, Jimbo
How come that the book that introduces elemental archetypes don´t have an elemental Eidolon?
When will you do one of these for sorcerer? I love this series
Normally, when I think of an exorcist, I picture either a paladin or a cleric tyring to exorcise it through prayer. After watching this, I'm now thinking of trying out a Psychopomp Eidelon Summoner who works as an exorcist, because the thought of punching a possessive spirit out of someone is becoming too funny to pass up.
The thing that's bothering me is the difference in power level between Eidolons. I'm not sure why I would want to choose an Angel eidolon and be locked into the divine spell list for such weak benefits, when things like Beast and Construct seem so much stronger with better spell lists.
Flavor, not everything is about raw strength.
Sure Divine is the weakest spell list, but it's still perfectly fine as a spell list.
Psychopump is my new favourite word
Yes! I like two-part videos!
Also - is that how it’s pronounced? It’s one of those words that I’ve read but never heard aloud.
Whoooo was waiting for this vid!!
I just want to make sure it is noted, I wish I could like this twice for Stella.
Me playing a knock off Kitsune James from Pokémon with meowth though was hard to pick between wubbafet
I guess I'm that guy 😜 but 60 foot cone is more than 2x area of a 30ft cone because the rate increases as you go outward. How much is hard because people debate about what shape a cone is on a grid but with a hex grid a cone would at 5ft increments cover 1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78 so a 30 ft cone would cover 21 hexes and 60 ft would cover a whopping 78 over triple the area. Whereas with a line you can just double it. So with doubling cones are totally your friend
Peanut cake fudge butter huh? Wild
Also, undead eidolons are fun
Sorry, I'm new to pf2e and wanted to check something about the draconic frenzy, would the 2nd and 3rd attack take the usual negatives?
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Summoner class or archetype.
The Eidolon has some areas in which it is inferior to another class casting a summoning spell. For example, a Cleric can cast Summon Lesser Servitor to summon a Cassisian (one of the Summoner's possible eidolons). When they do, it gains two actions when summoned as well as every time the Cleric uses a single action to sustain their spell. It also has its own health pool as opposed to the Eidolon.
I think the Summoner needs some errata to buff them and make their Eidolon more desirable when compared to a normal summoning spell. My Cleric's summoned creature should not be able to outperform a dedicated Summoner's Eidolon in any area (like action economy). I mean, it's beneficial to me but I do feel sorry for people playing Summoners.
Something i want to ask, in multiclass summoner you gain an eidolon but not act together, how do you use you eidolon without act together?
Eidolon, gotta knowem' all...
not to be a nitpicky punk
but
your contingency example for the fey wouldn't work, as contingency only effects YOU. so you could queue up a contingent 2 action heal for the eidolon itself, but not the barbarian
This may be a dumb question but um…what are eidolons? Is there a video where he explains what they ARE?
Am I missing something, or do none of these winged creatures have fly speeds by RAW????
Paizo limits flying to mid/high-levels for balance purposes. There is a feat you can take at 1st level to allow it to glide and another at 14th level that gives it full flight.
2:40 - When you get to part 2, if you wouldn't mind, could you clarify how an eidolon's skill advancement works? I'm trying to figure out if (ignoring dual studies) the summoner and eidolon always have the same skill proficiencies at the same level of proficiency (e.g. when the summoner becomes a Master of Occult, so does the eidolon automatically) or if the RAW mean to say that the eidolon is proficient (trained) in all the summoner's starting skills but doesn't level up skills automatically (that the summoner must spend class features directly on the eidolon for skill increases).
I believe the correct rule is the former, but in looking around for opinions, I've seen both rulings.
Eidolon proficiencies increase along with the Summoner's in most cases (the exception being with feats like Dual Studies).
What are the chances of a update for the new eidolons?
Actually, if you want a Chain Devil Eidolon what you do is... close the book and go back to Pathfinder 1, because Pathfinder 2 doesn't have Devil Eidolons. Because while there are many options, there are still not nearly enough
When it comes to Eidolons it never really says where it's hit points are. Does it use your hitpoints meaning that when you get hurt it gets hurt and vice versa? Or does it have it's own pool according to it's creature type? Does it get 5 per summoner level like a familiar? Also what's it's AC?
Eidolons share a health pool with Summoners, as they are soulbound
Hey, im new to pathfinder, anyone can tell me where to find the books containing this information on summoners?
The small Demon Eidolon is just a Chihuahua.
imagine being chaotic evil and having a lawful good angel eidolon who is desperately trying to get you to not be so much of a dick
maybe if you go with the merge ability, you become true neutral for a time lol
Peanut cake fudge butter?
when I first read the Eidolon rules I asume that you can make a range Eidolon cuz never said that had to be mele unarmed attack (you can say your angel eidolon it carry a spear and that is it unarmed attack on that logic and without specificialy mentinon of the "mele" condition of their attack you can say that it carrying a bow and that it unarmed attack...) then I read the feat and all click... I was a litle disapointed but it have logic... xD
Is it possible to build an Eidolon to act as the main tank? What would be the best build for something like that?
@@HyperShadic0 I'm pretty sure for a Huge Plant Eidolon its reach is actually 25 feet since growing vines stacks with tendril strike.
5 + 5 (large) + 5(huge) + 5(tendril strike) + 5(growing vines) = 25
Thank you grumpychris! that sounds like it would work extremely well for crowd control! I might combine that with a well spring gnome who has “protect companion” as an innate spell and the “life giving magic” ancestry feat to give them the ability to absorb some damage too.
@@pango4425 Correct, though that is only for attacking on your turn. For purposes of AoO or flanking, it would be 20 feet as tendril strike only gives that one attack the additional 5 with no duration.
Ha! You can make Groot!
Man, an Eidolon can just break one of the final boss for one specific AP lol
Hmm...I'm torn between not wanting spoilers, but wanting to know how...
Frog Eidolon based on Krag'wa >.>
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Why are there more likes on the eidolon video than on the summoner video?
What's wrong with long videos?
Dragon summoner. 23:23.
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Ee-uh-dul-un (Eidolon)
POKEMON TRAINER CLASS
00:46 "Instead we're gonna spend 45 minutes-"
*looks at video length*
???
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You skipped the Elemental Eidolon.
Summoner is a JOJO's reference
Eidolon summoner? Is that a jojo reference
Love it
Stando Powa!
Just a tip, having a blooper here and there is fun and endearing, having one every minute just annoying. Good info, though
8:15. What?? Your only human? And have to look at words to read them ?
Hmmmm... Strange.
You know what? Double the damage.
Please tell Stella she is beautiful and I love her.
Unfortunately she passed away last week, but I'm sure she'd be happy to hear it ♥
@@Nonat1s oh no. I'm so sorry to hear that. 💔
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ITS NOT THE RANGER I NEED THE RANGER.
Edit: WHY IS THRRE A SNAKE
"Stop with the censor beeping!"
Please don't. I actually find it amusing.
A 32 minute video is not long. Personally I don't mind videos over 3 hours. Bur apologizing for making your video "long" when it's barely long enough to read the titles is very odd to me.
guys I'm 10 seconds into the video i'm so exc
New to the game and the summoner sounded cool, but all the guides are like an hour long lmao. I might skip this class for now lol
Love the video, but I feel like the pace is too fast. You seem to be enthusiastic about the material, but the way you race through it counteracts that some. Comes across either as more worried about time than content, or worse, simply disingenuous to your actual passion for the game because you just want to get through it. I've noticed this as a rising trend in your videos of late.
This is definitely a big picture summary. This is definitely not good for anyone if they're trying to simply make a character at level 1
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Too late!!!
0:05 No I do not like them.
Tough!!!
Your videos would be so much better if you stopped trying to add humor to them.
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