I played a Summoner with a demon Eidolon. I wanted to give the character some sort of "Snow White and Rose Red" flair, thus I had the Summoner be the "snow white" while the Eidolon looked like Succubus in order to be the "Rose Red".
Yes. Dragon and fey. Because they feel so different and are both really cool. Dragon is going to be the up close fear causing martial style. While the fey is going to lean heavy into caster.
4:20 I would almost call Summoner the reverse Witch. Instead of the character themselves being the combatant and the familiar being just the companion, now you got the character themselves being the companion and the Eidolon to be the actual combatant of the relationship. (And depending on your feats and spells, can go really deep into that and have only the Eidolon fight, while the PC is a pacifist and hides in combat. Or even heals as a divine caster
To use D&D terms the classes from Secrets of magic are basically Gish classes, a blending of martial and magical power. Not really as magical as a full caster, but also not as martially powerful as a full martial class. But there's a huge amount of flexibility there. It's a very good class for enormous flexibility in odd ways. An Eidolon can do a lot of things a typical character can't out the gate. Furthermore with all the size shifting an Eidolon can do it means there's a lot of weird things you can do. A plant eidolon that can shrink down to tiny well melded with it's summoner can get into and out of places that very few people will expect. Especially if it suddenly if it grows to massive size and starts thrashing around. Not bad for a sunflower.
Love your videos - they help my brain connect the dots on the rules as written and makes them very, very digestible. I think your sample combat is very helpful. And I also think it’s great that you are teaching kids how to play Pathfinder! That’s so cool!
Personally, the summoner isn't for me, but I watched the video and gave you a like to support the channel. Its such a surprise to me that you only have 223 subs (as of this comment). You could easily be a 50k+ channel. Here's to being one of your first subs!
I would enjoy seeing your takes on the other classes in this new format! You could even do "comparison shopping" between separate classes (and even APG archetypes) in separate videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! Yeah I have some other ideas I want to do so not sure when I'd do a next "shopping guide." If I do then I think I'd go alphabetically through the Core Rulebook
What I like most about the summoner is how different they can be from each other. I have a Construct summoner who uses the Merge power to have a suit of power armor(hoping they give better options for a full synthesist build later), a Angel Summoner with Champion Archtype to be a front liner, and a friend of mine plays a Halfling Devotion phantom summoner to emulate the creepy twins from the Shining.
same. I hope there will be archetypes to buff the Eidolon further. I once wanted to do something like what you did with the construct summoner (just not with a construct, but an Angel), but since the DM allowed for the free archetype optional rule I struggled on that part. Champion archetype would have been great ... if I could keep it during the merge, however I don't. The Eidolon has no access to my archetype feats. So, the highest heights you can get is a Draconic-Merge with the Elementalist archetype, thus having an elemental spell list going along with the dragon#s element. Then you take the evolution feats that grant your eidolon access to your spells.
I'm actually making a character concept that's an Aasimar Android (the soul powering her body is actually the spiritual essence from a slain celestial) who was an archivist, and her eidolon is going to be a construct eidolon so I can make it a giant Guardian Scroll that has a written record of all the knowledge she collected in her past life, and she actively inscribed it with the knowledge she gains during her adventures. Cool Flavor aside, I really like the two floating feats that can be reconfigured with a day of downtime. I tend to gather information before my adventures, so it lets me customize a bit beforehand to get the best tools for the job.
Omg, what an awesome guide! Finally a guide without the generic over-ecstatic TH-cam/Streamer voice. I love that you broke it down in battle, thank you for explaining it to me like I'm five, lol. I just wasn't getting it after reading all the forums. Simply amazing, thank you again!
Up front: Love your content, love the Summoner. Re: Two topics regarding the Devotion Phantom. On the topic of increased mental defenses for the Devotion Phantom, there seems to be a notion that spells with the Mental trait are mainly concerned with taking control of the target- for the most part, they inflict debuffs and penalties. Since the Summoner and the eidolon are both affected by the most severe version of any penalties the two of them take, avoiding these whenever possible is very important, especially if your eidolon is serving as a front-line fighter. As for the mind control thing, sure the Summoner could keep control of all three actions and deny them to the eidolon, but that does still deprive you of about half your tactical options. Less importantly, I believe the glowing blue spectral humanoid illustrated in the Summoner section is a Devotion Phantom, and the red one next to it is an Anger Phantom. Not huge, but that was my take on it.
I love these videos, it's really helpful having other people explaining things to me, sometimes that helps me to understand it more than just reading it myself.
Great idea! Especially for those classes whose roles, strengths and weaknesses aren't as obvious just from the name. Classes like the Alchemist, Bard, Investigator, Oracle and Rogue would all benefit from this treatment.
I was wrestling with Act Together and just could not grasp it (Overthinking it a LOT) but your example dungeon helped it click for me! This is a pretty awesome format for class content! I’d definitely recommend this sort of guide to my friends when I finally convince them to try PF2E!
Thanks! I'm really glad this helped you understand. I try to make things as clear as possible, and applying it in a demonstration is often the best way.
I am right in the middle of building a Kitsune Summoner with a Fox Fleet Beast Eidolon. After a bit of mental wrestling I decided to have the eidolon with both the spellcasting feats so that it gets one spell per level up to 7, and the character going for legendary summoner with effortless concentration and ostentatious arrival. So the summoner would mainly summon big stuff in a very sparkly way, and the eidolon will have a bunch of "battle form" spells and such, to be a real danger in combat. Pity I will never get to play this but it's a fun way to learn the rules as I need to read a lot of the manuals for the builds 😅
The only advantage, I can see over the mental defense is for it you use merge feat with it. Since you can't take any actions while merged expect to dismiss it or unmerge with it. It will prevent that Eidolon attack your allies, or you having to waste a round unmerging from it and/or dismissing it.
My favorite 3e class was the psionicist with the creation specialty. The main reason was the summon astral construct power. This seems somewhat similar, but not exactly the same as it seems it has to be sentient and really is its own creature, but being able to customize it is similar. The construct option seems the closest, got to say given how limited spell casting is its a hard sell though, 5 spells at level 20 is rough.
When Secrets of Magic comes to Fantasy Grounds, I wonder if they will automate the outcome of simultaneous area damage to summoner and eidolon. In other words, if a fireball hits both the summoner and the eidolon, and the fireball hits summoner for 12 and eidolon for 16 hit points, only the higher damage of 16 points is subtracted from the shared health pool.
For eidolons unarmed primary stike, Secrets of Magic pg 58 says that the damage dice is 1d8. Would you also add the Strength bonus to this damage roll as you would for any other character. So for example, the psychopomp has a strength of 18 that give +3 as a bonus; therefore resulting in a damage roll of 1d8+3. Is this correct :-) ?
I have an ancestor oracle that serves as the base of what is supposed to be a shaman. I am tempted to go dutiful phantom but I would have wanted to keep my divine spells so I am torn. The divine eidolons don't really fit except for the psychopomp but that one seems to have a true neutral requirement that I cannot fulfil. I guess I have to work around more to find something that fits. Btw. nice video
I believe the eidolon's alignement is only for the eidolon, it doesn't prevent you from taking it, you can be a LG summoner with a CE eidolon for instance
@@ironpandawastaken Yes, the alignment requirement only applies to the eidolon. Hmm, you have the option of going with one class and taking the Archetype of the other. Perhaps base Summoner and get Cleric Dedication? If you take enough Dedication feats you actually get more Cleric spell slots than Summoner ones. And Trick Magic Item while maxing out Religion lets you use magic items with Divine Spells at the cost of an action while "tricking" it
At 11:35, you say that you can upcast *any* spell you know, which is not true. You have to know the spell at a specific level to cast it at that level, and it is only the signature spells that you can upcast (and downcast as well) freely :o It is written more clearly in the Sorcerer class abilities, because you only get 2 levels of spells for the Summoner, but it is there ^^
It is true, however, with all Summoner spells, because all Summoner spells are treated as Signature spells due to their Unlimited Signature Spells class feature. (By RAW it could even extend to "all" spells learned via archetypes but that's probably not intended)
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Oh right! The way you said I thought you meant it was the way spontaneous spellcasting is working for all classes. All good then 😹 I don't think Paizo would want a archetype spells to work with that feature as well ^^
One comment regarding 10:19 : sharing saving throws isn't a general rule, meaning the multi-class archetype doesn't get that as far as I know. That and they also share languages with the summoner ("Your eidolon doesn't gain any additional languages based on its Intelligence modifier, but it can speak all the same languages you can."). So yeah, nothing major there but might be worth knowing. also, can someone point me to how one would manifest and then attack with the eidolon in one turn??? act together has the tandem trait, so it shouldn't work when summoning it right? ("You can't use a tandem action if either you or your eidolon can't act, if you haven't Manifested your Eidolon, or if you've...")
I find having a spell repertoire of only 5 too limiting to play a summoner. It locks you out of using utility wands and scrolls to supplement your limited pool without having to rely on a RNG Trick Magic Item Check. I just don't see where the power in Summoner comes from where they need their spellcasting to be so limiting.
Wands and scrolls aren't based on your spell repertoire, just your spell **list**. If you can cast arcane spells then you can use arcane wands/scrolls, occult can cast occult wands/scrolls, etc. Unless there's a weird exception I haven't seen yet in the video that's the general ruling.
@@nugsnotdrugs7717 Thanks for the clarification, didn't realize that you get access to the whole spell list from a tradition. I thought your spell list was just what you knew.
Some could do that. It doesn't have feats though, which simplifies it. Foundry does have "PF2e Companion Compendia" module to support making Actors for eidolons.
Oh i believe i missed this, but also while i rarely throw my towel into the ring of how to pronounce stuff. I really want to know where in the English language does e and i make a? I'm half certain you are a teacher in real life so i wouldn't be too surprise if you had an example.
English is a mish-mash of many other language influences. Pronouncing "ei" like "eye" comes from how German pronunciation works, I suppose. The way I use it is similar to "ei" in "sleigh" or "weigh" or "rein." In spanish or french (I'm not an expert here) I imagine it would be more like this.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG ‘fluent’ French speaker. I know this is a year old, but anyways, in French like in English, ei can make both sounds (Ex: sleigh vs height) just like in English. Like in English, there’s also no helpful rules to determine which it’s supposed to be.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG In the example Ija casts a two-action spell and Tuku Strides and Strikes. Does that mean part of the three action side of Act Together can be used by the eidolon/Summoner? That was what confused me, since it seemed like they each took two actions.
@@dylans3833 You take a 2 action Act Together, which lets your Summoner cast a spell. The Eidolon takes a single action as part of Act Together, which is the Stride. Then you still have one action left, which the Eidolon uses to Strike.
@@dylans3833 Act Together can use 1, 2, or 3 actions. In this case Ija spent 2 actions on it and the eidolon then did Stride. They collectively had 1 action left, which Tuku used to Strike
I have to disagree with the 4 actions for Act Together. The specific examples show only a total of three actions being used, not 4. I cannot find anywhere in the summoner that explains Act Together giving a total of 4 actions. It reads more like splitting the three actions between Summoner and Eidolon. Please explain this better.
@@lightblckknight It is this text from Act Together: "Either you or your eidolon takes an action or activity using the same number of actions as Act Together, and the other takes a single action. " So if your eidolon spends 2 actions to do Act Together, you two get to do EVERYTHING stated under the ability. This includes 3 actions: the eidolon taking 2 actions, and the summoner taking 1 action. Then, after Act Together, there is your remaining shared 3rd action. I deliberately say "4 actions" early in the video as a shorthand to avoid having to get into the weeds while giving a glimpse into the class.
@@lightblckknight Two paragraphs before Act Together, it merely says that the summoner and eidolon "work together" and share 3 actions. This doesn't reference Act Together. Then the next paragraph says "You coordinate your actions more efficiently when you Act Together." As in, more efficiently than normal. Act Together is not merely restating how you "work together." It is its own self-contained action/activity. It uses a variable number of actions. Because Act Together says the summoner or their eidolon uses an "action or activity using the same number of actions as Act Together," AND says "the other takes a single action," Act Together effectively gives you +1 action. When you use the 2-action version, one of you does a 2-action activity, and the other uses 1 action. This cost only 2 actions, and there is 1 action remaining. Act Together is a self-contained action/activity. It can be the first thing the summoner+eidolon do on their turn, or the last thing. Even the middle thing, with 1 action preceding it and 1 action succeeding it.
Again I say, i have to disagree with your assessment. “Coordinate your actions more efficiently” makes it sound like further explanation of how you use the three actions given as it does not come come across as a “self-contained action/activity.” You see it that way, but due to the rest of the context of everything around it, I don’t, and such context is important. Again: Unfortunately, this needs greater clarification from Paizo to be understood the way it is being run.
Think about it in another way: Act Togehter can be used as a 3-action Action, and due to the wording of Act Together, the other one (summoner or Eidolon, depending on who did the 3-Action) still gets a single Action. If you would be able just to split your 3 actions each turn, Act Togehter with 3 actions wouldn't be possible, since the other NEEDS TO make a single action
I looked all throughout my goddamned Pathfinder Core Rulebook and found this class NOWHERE. Because I am a damned n00b, it took me an hour of WASTED TIME before realizing this class is NOT AVAILABLE in the book that he has up on the SCREEN the entire time. Come on, man. At least MENTION it's in another book.
Good point. Admittedly this is early in my Youtubing career! For the future, give a look to Archives of Nethys (the section for PF 2ND EDITION) because you can generally and easily find everything there, or google "2e
Do YOU want to play a summoner? Which Eidolon would you pick, and why?
Yes.
And I'm gonna make one summoner for each eidolon type :)
@@McFatson So your answer is #2 is "Yes" =)
Duskwalker ancestry, returned backstory= psychopomp :)
I played a Summoner with a demon Eidolon. I wanted to give the character some sort of "Snow White and Rose Red" flair, thus I had the Summoner be the "snow white" while the Eidolon looked like Succubus in order to be the "Rose Red".
Yes. Dragon and fey. Because they feel so different and are both really cool. Dragon is going to be the up close fear causing martial style. While the fey is going to lean heavy into caster.
4:20 I would almost call Summoner the reverse Witch. Instead of the character themselves being the combatant and the familiar being just the companion, now you got the character themselves being the companion and the Eidolon to be the actual combatant of the relationship. (And depending on your feats and spells, can go really deep into that and have only the Eidolon fight, while the PC is a pacifist and hides in combat. Or even heals as a divine caster
that's so much fun!
To use D&D terms the classes from Secrets of magic are basically Gish classes, a blending of martial and magical power. Not really as magical as a full caster, but also not as martially powerful as a full martial class. But there's a huge amount of flexibility there. It's a very good class for enormous flexibility in odd ways. An Eidolon can do a lot of things a typical character can't out the gate. Furthermore with all the size shifting an Eidolon can do it means there's a lot of weird things you can do.
A plant eidolon that can shrink down to tiny well melded with it's summoner can get into and out of places that very few people will expect. Especially if it suddenly if it grows to massive size and starts thrashing around. Not bad for a sunflower.
Love your videos - they help my brain connect the dots on the rules as written and makes them very, very digestible.
I think your sample combat is very helpful. And I also think it’s great that you are teaching kids how to play Pathfinder! That’s so cool!
Thanks!! This is precisely what I hope to do
Personally, the summoner isn't for me, but I watched the video and gave you a like to support the channel. Its such a surprise to me that you only have 223 subs (as of this comment). You could easily be a 50k+ channel. Here's to being one of your first subs!
That would be amazing! This channel is relatively new (about 1 month old) so I suppose the # of subs makes sense. Thanks for the encouragement!
Aged like fine wine
I would enjoy seeing your takes on the other classes in this new format! You could even do "comparison shopping" between separate classes (and even APG archetypes) in separate videos.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks! Yeah I have some other ideas I want to do so not sure when I'd do a next "shopping guide." If I do then I think I'd go alphabetically through the Core Rulebook
@@TheRulesLawyerRPGgetting close!
This is by far my favorite class. An intelligent combat buddy is so much fun. But it's so feat-hungry! Especially the dedication.
As somebody coming from 5e, this video series is amazing and useful! Thank you!
What I like most about the summoner is how different they can be from each other. I have a Construct summoner who uses the Merge power to have a suit of power armor(hoping they give better options for a full synthesist build later), a Angel Summoner with Champion Archtype to be a front liner, and a friend of mine plays a Halfling Devotion phantom summoner to emulate the creepy twins from the Shining.
That's a great character idea! (The Shining)
same. I hope there will be archetypes to buff the Eidolon further. I once wanted to do something like what you did with the construct summoner (just not with a construct, but an Angel), but since the DM allowed for the free archetype optional rule I struggled on that part. Champion archetype would have been great ... if I could keep it during the merge, however I don't. The Eidolon has no access to my archetype feats. So, the highest heights you can get is a Draconic-Merge with the Elementalist archetype, thus having an elemental spell list going along with the dragon#s element. Then you take the evolution feats that grant your eidolon access to your spells.
I'm actually making a character concept that's an Aasimar Android (the soul powering her body is actually the spiritual essence from a slain celestial) who was an archivist, and her eidolon is going to be a construct eidolon so I can make it a giant Guardian Scroll that has a written record of all the knowledge she collected in her past life, and she actively inscribed it with the knowledge she gains during her adventures.
Cool Flavor aside, I really like the two floating feats that can be reconfigured with a day of downtime. I tend to gather information before my adventures, so it lets me customize a bit beforehand to get the best tools for the job.
Omg, what an awesome guide! Finally a guide without the generic over-ecstatic TH-cam/Streamer voice. I love that you broke it down in battle, thank you for explaining it to me like I'm five, lol. I just wasn't getting it after reading all the forums. Simply amazing, thank you again!
Up front: Love your content, love the Summoner.
Re: Two topics regarding the Devotion Phantom. On the topic of increased mental defenses for the Devotion Phantom, there seems to be a notion that spells with the Mental trait are mainly concerned with taking control of the target- for the most part, they inflict debuffs and penalties. Since the Summoner and the eidolon are both affected by the most severe version of any penalties the two of them take, avoiding these whenever possible is very important, especially if your eidolon is serving as a front-line fighter. As for the mind control thing, sure the Summoner could keep control of all three actions and deny them to the eidolon, but that does still deprive you of about half your tactical options.
Less importantly, I believe the glowing blue spectral humanoid illustrated in the Summoner section is a Devotion Phantom, and the red one next to it is an Anger Phantom. Not huge, but that was my take on it.
I love these videos, it's really helpful having other people explaining things to me, sometimes that helps me to understand it more than just reading it myself.
Great idea!
Especially for those classes whose roles, strengths and weaknesses aren't as obvious just from the name. Classes like the Alchemist, Bard, Investigator, Oracle and Rogue would all benefit from this treatment.
Thank you for this! I know literally *nothing* about PF2E however this class overview is really insightful
Love your pathfinder videos! And love your style
I was wrestling with Act Together and just could not grasp it (Overthinking it a LOT) but your example dungeon helped it click for me! This is a pretty awesome format for class content! I’d definitely recommend this sort of guide to my friends when I finally convince them to try PF2E!
Thanks! I'm really glad this helped you understand. I try to make things as clear as possible, and applying it in a demonstration is often the best way.
Angel sounds awsome, i love the ideah of being an asimar and my eidolon being my brother or something like that.
Summoner coming to pf2?! Super excited
Great series idea, exited for the next one.
Thank you I very much liked the format. I am now looking at a Gnome (Fey-Touched), Eidolon Contacted, Summoner with a Fey Eidolon.
Beast is my favorite, I prefer the more active abilities compared to the passive ones.
Great guide, thanks. I will play a summoner so its really helpful.
I am right in the middle of building a Kitsune Summoner with a Fox Fleet Beast Eidolon. After a bit of mental wrestling I decided to have the eidolon with both the spellcasting feats so that it gets one spell per level up to 7, and the character going for legendary summoner with effortless concentration and ostentatious arrival. So the summoner would mainly summon big stuff in a very sparkly way, and the eidolon will have a bunch of "battle form" spells and such, to be a real danger in combat. Pity I will never get to play this but it's a fun way to learn the rules as I need to read a lot of the manuals for the builds 😅
The only advantage, I can see over the mental defense is for it you use merge feat with it. Since you can't take any actions while merged expect to dismiss it or unmerge with it. It will prevent that Eidolon attack your allies, or you having to waste a round unmerging from it and/or dismissing it.
My favorite 3e class was the psionicist with the creation specialty. The main reason was the summon astral construct power. This seems somewhat similar, but not exactly the same as it seems it has to be sentient and really is its own creature, but being able to customize it is similar. The construct option seems the closest, got to say given how limited spell casting is its a hard sell though, 5 spells at level 20 is rough.
Super helpful. Thanks for all your work on this.
Amazing work as always 👍
Summoners remind me of the Bount/Baunto of bleach.
Fun flavor that the summon and summoner are health linked.
When Secrets of Magic comes to Fantasy Grounds, I wonder if they will automate the outcome of simultaneous area damage to summoner and eidolon. In other words, if a fireball hits both the summoner and the eidolon, and the fireball hits summoner for 12 and eidolon for 16 hit points, only the higher damage of 16 points is subtracted from the shared health pool.
The Summoner is the Stand User class. There are a LOT of shenanigans you can get up to with this class.
For eidolons unarmed primary stike, Secrets of Magic pg 58 says that the damage dice is 1d8. Would you also add the Strength bonus to this damage roll as you would for any other character. So for example, the psychopomp has a strength of 18 that give +3 as a bonus; therefore resulting in a damage roll of 1d8+3. Is this correct :-) ?
I’d be happy to play one. What would I play? Oh, there are so many topics, and most of them are appealing. When in doubt, I guess pick Dragon.
Do the Ranger Next
I have an ancestor oracle that serves as the base of what is supposed to be a shaman. I am tempted to go dutiful phantom but I would have wanted to keep my divine spells so I am torn. The divine eidolons don't really fit except for the psychopomp but that one seems to have a true neutral requirement that I cannot fulfil.
I guess I have to work around more to find something that fits.
Btw. nice video
I believe the eidolon's alignement is only for the eidolon, it doesn't prevent you from taking it, you can be a LG summoner with a CE eidolon for instance
@@ironpandawastaken Yes, the alignment requirement only applies to the eidolon.
Hmm, you have the option of going with one class and taking the Archetype of the other. Perhaps base Summoner and get Cleric Dedication? If you take enough Dedication feats you actually get more Cleric spell slots than Summoner ones.
And Trick Magic Item while maxing out Religion lets you use magic items with Divine Spells at the cost of an action while "tricking" it
At 11:35, you say that you can upcast *any* spell you know, which is not true. You have to know the spell at a specific level to cast it at that level, and it is only the signature spells that you can upcast (and downcast as well) freely :o
It is written more clearly in the Sorcerer class abilities, because you only get 2 levels of spells for the Summoner, but it is there ^^
It is true, however, with all Summoner spells, because all Summoner spells are treated as Signature spells due to their Unlimited Signature Spells class feature. (By RAW it could even extend to "all" spells learned via archetypes but that's probably not intended)
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Oh right! The way you said I thought you meant it was the way spontaneous spellcasting is working for all classes. All good then 😹
I don't think Paizo would want a archetype spells to work with that feature as well ^^
So the 4 effective actions would only be if you do 3 actions and the eidelon does 1, right? You mention that you can't split it up 2 and 2.
One comment regarding 10:19 : sharing saving throws isn't a general rule, meaning the multi-class archetype doesn't get that as far as I know. That and they also share languages with the summoner ("Your eidolon doesn't gain any additional languages based on its Intelligence modifier, but it can speak all the same languages you can."). So yeah, nothing major there but might be worth knowing.
also, can someone point me to how one would manifest and then attack with the eidolon in one turn??? act together has the tandem trait, so it shouldn't work when summoning it right? ("You can't use a tandem action if either you or your eidolon can't act, if you haven't Manifested your Eidolon, or if you've...")
Your eidolon appears in an open space adjacent to you, and can then take a single action.
I find having a spell repertoire of only 5 too limiting to play a summoner. It locks you out of using utility wands and scrolls to supplement your limited pool without having to rely on a RNG Trick Magic Item Check. I just don't see where the power in Summoner comes from where they need their spellcasting to be so limiting.
Wands and scrolls aren't based on your spell repertoire, just your spell **list**. If you can cast arcane spells then you can use arcane wands/scrolls, occult can cast occult wands/scrolls, etc.
Unless there's a weird exception I haven't seen yet in the video that's the general ruling.
@@nugsnotdrugs7717 Yes, that's true. So long as a wand or scroll or staff has spells in your spell tradition, you can use it without needing a feat.
@@nugsnotdrugs7717 Thanks for the clarification, didn't realize that you get access to the whole spell list from a tradition. I thought your spell list was just what you knew.
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Do you just make a Separate character sheet for the summon?
Some could do that. It doesn't have feats though, which simplifies it. Foundry does have "PF2e Companion Compendia" module to support making Actors for eidolons.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Thank you!
Oh i believe i missed this, but also while i rarely throw my towel into the ring of how to pronounce stuff. I really want to know where in the English language does e and i make a? I'm half certain you are a teacher in real life so i wouldn't be too surprise if you had an example.
English is a mish-mash of many other language influences. Pronouncing "ei" like "eye" comes from how German pronunciation works, I suppose. The way I use it is similar to "ei" in "sleigh" or "weigh" or "rein." In spanish or french (I'm not an expert here) I imagine it would be more like this.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG ‘fluent’ French speaker. I know this is a year old, but anyways, in French like in English, ei can make both sounds (Ex: sleigh vs height) just like in English. Like in English, there’s also no helpful rules to determine which it’s supposed to be.
I think it's missing an undead eidolon type for that sweet necromancy flavor
Yes, there is an Undead eidolon in Book of the Dead however, and it should be up on Archives of Nethys
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Oh I had no idea, I'll look it up then. Thanks a lot!
There is also the Clockwork Reanimator Archetype that has the flavour your looking for.
Is the character sheet that you have over your map part of Foundry or is that something else?
Yes in that it's part of Foundry's PF2e module
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Thank you
15:45 I'm confused, how does Tuku get to move as part of Ija casting a spell?
It's the summoner's Act Together class feature. One creature does 1-3 actions and the other creature does 1 action before or after it.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG In the example Ija casts a two-action spell and Tuku Strides and Strikes. Does that mean part of the three action side of Act Together can be used by the eidolon/Summoner? That was what confused me, since it seemed like they each took two actions.
@@dylans3833 You take a 2 action Act Together, which lets your Summoner cast a spell. The Eidolon takes a single action as part of Act Together, which is the Stride. Then you still have one action left, which the Eidolon uses to Strike.
@@dylans3833 Act Together can use 1, 2, or 3 actions. In this case Ija spent 2 actions on it and the eidolon then did Stride. They collectively had 1 action left, which Tuku used to Strike
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I see, thank you!
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Playing a Summoner with an angelic eidolon -- here is your 1st class ticket to Lastwall !
I have to disagree with the 4 actions for Act Together. The specific examples show only a total of three actions being used, not 4. I cannot find anywhere in the summoner that explains Act Together giving a total of 4 actions. It reads more like splitting the three actions between Summoner and Eidolon.
Please explain this better.
@@lightblckknight It is this text from Act Together: "Either you or your eidolon takes an action or activity using the same number of actions as Act Together, and the other takes a single action. "
So if your eidolon spends 2 actions to do Act Together, you two get to do EVERYTHING stated under the ability. This includes 3 actions: the eidolon taking 2 actions, and the summoner taking 1 action. Then, after Act Together, there is your remaining shared 3rd action.
I deliberately say "4 actions" early in the video as a shorthand to avoid having to get into the weeds while giving a glimpse into the class.
@@lightblckknight Two paragraphs before Act Together, it merely says that the summoner and eidolon "work together" and share 3 actions. This doesn't reference Act Together. Then the next paragraph says "You coordinate your actions more efficiently when you Act Together." As in, more efficiently than normal.
Act Together is not merely restating how you "work together." It is its own self-contained action/activity. It uses a variable number of actions. Because Act Together says the summoner or their eidolon uses an "action or activity using the same number of actions as Act Together," AND says "the other takes a single action," Act Together effectively gives you +1 action. When you use the 2-action version, one of you does a 2-action activity, and the other uses 1 action. This cost only 2 actions, and there is 1 action remaining.
Act Together is a self-contained action/activity. It can be the first thing the summoner+eidolon do on their turn, or the last thing. Even the middle thing, with 1 action preceding it and 1 action succeeding it.
Again I say, i have to disagree with your assessment. “Coordinate your actions more efficiently” makes it sound like further explanation of how you use the three actions given as it does not come come across as a “self-contained action/activity.” You see it that way, but due to the rest of the context of everything around it, I don’t, and such context is important.
Again: Unfortunately, this needs greater clarification from Paizo to be understood the way it is being run.
@@lightblckknight Giving an extra action is the only thing it does.
It's unambiguous, but even if it wasn't... what do you think it does?
Think about it in another way:
Act Togehter can be used as a 3-action Action, and due to the wording of Act Together, the other one (summoner or Eidolon, depending on who did the 3-Action) still gets a single Action.
If you would be able just to split your 3 actions each turn, Act Togehter with 3 actions wouldn't be possible, since the other NEEDS TO make a single action
Let's be honest: there's a 75% chance if you pick this instead of a druid or ranger, you're doing it to give your characters a magical GF.
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I looked all throughout my goddamned Pathfinder Core Rulebook and found this class NOWHERE. Because I am a damned n00b, it took me an hour of WASTED TIME before realizing this class is NOT AVAILABLE in the book that he has up on the SCREEN the entire time.
Come on, man. At least MENTION it's in another book.
Good point. Admittedly this is early in my Youtubing career! For the future, give a look to Archives of Nethys (the section for PF 2ND EDITION) because you can generally and easily find everything there, or google "2e
So the summoner is not a pure summoner, like Yuna from Final fantasy. It is a pet class. Booo.
Any pure summoner class in the game?