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I Have a Halland. A FDR spots me, drops a fighter on me thus keeping me spotted, then he torp drops me two times. The FDR put me down to 5k health, and I shot down 6 planes total. This game is beyond a utter joke.
Yeah cause if WG actually balanced CVs around people like Gaishu or forbid anyone who knows how to dodge flak then it becomes unplayable for the common player and we can't have that cause then how will they spend money getting to them or for Enterprise in lootboxes this Christmas man? Jokes aside WGs insistence on the CV VS Surface ship being automatic because players are already overloaded in tasks is funny when they added subs for testing because sure let's add another task for the DDs to do yet we can't give any of our players manually controlled AA so they can fight the CVs with some skill
You think they could fix Carriers by only allowing a certain number of planes, and once they've been expended you need to use the resupply consumable, and it takes 5 minutes to go into effect. Maximum 2 resupplies per round.
"With our powers combined, we are bullshit." That's just 2020 WoWS in a nutshell: the winner is whoever manages to stack the most powercreep on a single team.
Yep, if you team is full tech tree underwhelminng ship for example 3 Grobe in your team VS 3 Musashi in enemy team, you are basically done. Same goes with high tier
Haa the good old days where a CV player actually needed a brain to harm AA cruisers and teamwork was needed to work against and with a CV. Long gone...long gone.
@@vysearcadia522 it promoted good gameplay, so it's obviously removed. BTW great news: Lepanto have just been Nerfed with all the turtleback reduced to 25mm from 40 and the upper broadside of just 70mm: have fun grinding that at tier IX. Richtofen are puting groceries out of Vaseline stock waiting for the new line release !
If you believe everything a youtuber says and let you get emotionally driven, youre nuts. Go buy some personal judgement and stop gettint controlled by others.
@@redviking2086 lol, are you a WG employee? Because i see not much of reason to defend the game. Believe me i tried, only way to defend them is through being a complete pay to win player that can give up money in every step of the every state of the game, no questions asked. Otherwise, there's at least one mess up that can put you away from the game.
@@nikoolix especially because in reality they are big large lightly armoured fuel tanks with highly flammable stuff like fuelled up planes with bombs inside their hangars, but... REASONS! (ask Akagi and Kaga at Midway what they think of this point)
I used to think Haku was overpowered then MVR came and I was like daym, then FDR and I realised what African children must feel during a monsoon after a drought, blast with a torrent of unstoppable "water"
Yea I loved this game. Out of all the ganes that I played this was the one that I spent the most on, now I regret ever dollar spent along the way. WG took our money to ruin a fantastic game.
Ah yes...When even Top of the Line, modern CVs (Which is basically just a glorified parking spot) who use every inch of space efficiently (with folding wings, advanced decade long parking techniques and all the space even under deck and are so huge they dwarf Yamato) would be deplaned in this game....Oh my god
Forget enough for a full squadron it's not enough to out damage a well timed heal, speaking from the end user if I have a heal ready for my planes you can just heal through the damage if you time it correctly and abuse damage reduction mechanics, legit cannot shoot you down even CV planes
@@neonlight1214 - fighters shoot down one plane each. Every time. There are no ammo limitations - it's 1:1. The issue with fighters is they have to first deploy then lock on. But once locked on they always shoot down equal numbers of bombers per fighter.
@@oppaiomanko You don't even need potatoes- they have perfectly mirrored matchmaking, so definitionally CVs will have a 50% winrate overall, if we ignore Draws.
I love how Flamu is literally just playing passive to commentate for at least the first half of the game... ****GETS 3K BASE XP AND TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD****
Yeah, because plane kills gets an insane amount of xp for some reason, as well as carriers doesn't get the same values as other clases. Just for wg come to say: "see? Cv doesn't get higher xp than others". Twerking numbers as they please to get the results they want.
And this does not even touch on the most infuriating piece of CV design: the infamous invisible fighters, spotting you from an unknown direction. Go angle against that!
oh yes thats another thing. I rem dying as i tried to find the planes that was spotting me. i was not angry... just dumbstruck ... and next time onwards don't do that i said to myself
i wil spend my hard earned money on lootboxes this year. i even bought clown mask(cheapest ofc so i will have more chash to spend) for Missouri hunting 1k euro should be ok, right? /s
In case you believe his rant against CVs was a bit too much, remember that the Montana got detonated by the CV while it was going on. Impossible to be more on the nose with the commentary, lol. Even the game was taking the piss.
Planes with 20 km radar and 20 mins action time. This consumable however will be given a 30 min cool down in order to balance the power of flying radars. We believe this will promote fun and dynamic gameplay
i think the soviet CVs will have like megnetic Halland torps with F3 Shima torp dmg Manfred AP rockets but with improved pen angles and 50% more dmg faster falling Audacious bombs with 125% fire chance (so fuck you fire resistance)
Considering there is Des Moines in this and it was taken to service in 1948, which is pretty much 4 or so years after the Luftwaffe had basically become wingless. So that Richthofen probably has more usable planes than the entire German air force had irl at this point, completely fine ship design
"Hey, it's been a couple of months since I checked in on WoWs to see if the CV situation has improved. Let's go watch Flamu and see what's... aaaaand I'm still not playing" lol
@@pauldrive7243 Mind if i ask why people hate subs? i used to play when the game first came out, quit after a year and subs make me think of coming back but i have been out of the loop for a long time. Just looking to get info from long time players
That full health Montana mowed down in 2 drops sums it up, 5 minutes after demolishing a Des Moine protected by a Halland with 3AA consumables , another Manfred AA and a Montana... Now everybody is holding their breath waiting for Cristoforo Colombo breaking the game balance with it's almighty 4.5km range AA batteries and it godlike 31% torpedo reduction...You know that little "tin bear" going right and left at the luna park with a white target circle painted on while people shot it with an air gun?
man, my PC broke last month so I couldn't play WoWS and now I am not even sad about it 😶 Also, that Fire Damage on CVs is an insult to all other ship classes
makes sense though. i mean pressing a button while you are murdering everything is bullshit and cv players should not have to endure that kkind of torment
Flolo you just have to say that Richthofen is fun and WG nerves it straight away, at least you give WG an internal crysis of wanting to nerf a german ship but not want to nerf a CV.
Maybe i should just dodge midways rocket planes that do 200+knts in my shima i mean i clearly missplayed and diserve 15k alpha strike for touching the obj silly me
@@lewiskellett5654 Yes silly you. Don't broadside to rockets m8. That is your fault. The dumb thing about CVs isn't their damage, its their ability to spot. If they change how CV spotting works, CVs would be in a much better position. Except maybe tone down MvR's Cit damage and FDR's chances of fire and flood and damage.
@@sickseed8513 "dont broadside" lol this is whats wrong with WOWS community. you either give broadside to a CV's planes or get smashed by the ships that will inevitably be shooting at you. JuSt DoDgEjaklsdlkkjasdklkjasldkajl
I'm glad I stopped a bit before the CV rework. I remember that CVs were already the fun police but Montana + DM was a wall of AA that could not be powered through, CVs at least had to pay attention and to have some skills to farm cross torps and stuff... Oh well..... :(
"2 people playing against each other and the rest of us get to enjoy watching them having fun". Maximum sarcasm engaged - well done Flamu! I really hope WoWs see this. It will get to the point where people will see an FDR or MVR in the matchmaking and immediately abandon the game and start a new one until they can get a game without CVs. There is not much point in playing a match with an FDR or MVR in it, but I'm not hopeful WoWs will get the message. They don't seem to care.
The sad part is that wargaming just doesnt care because they think they are balanced. There response will be to create harsher penalties for people abandoning matches, not to balance the CVs.
I was in a worcester, next to a Des Moines and a Halland. FdR flew circles around us, keeping us spotted until Halland and I were killed. Yeah, just group up, right...
16:33 "Халанд, надо пекировать на авик" (Rought translation: "Halland, dive bomb the CV") Huh, well that's the weirdest and oddest way I've seen somone say "kill yourself" in my life.
The sortie rate on CVs is the equivalent of giving Montana a 5 second reload on the main battery. Then make Montana fire & flood proof, and immune to attack by enemy planes. Then give Montana the Minotaur superheal as a rough equivalent for unlimited planes on CVs. That's what Montana would look like if it was "balanced" like a CV. Gee, I wonder why CVs are the most hated class in the game? Many people in my clan left after the CV rework, never to return. I can't blame them.
Well, it seems there are still enough idiots throwing enough money at them for this crap. I would be one of them, if I'd get some solid ship combat out of that frankenstein game... But for that to happen, they would have straight up delete CV's and stop the sub introduction. Every other problem is just minor in comparison and did at least not kill the basic fun and concept of the game.
I thought they made pre-rework CVs unnecessarily overpowered to make the rework seem better, and then they go and do this to the post-rework CVs. Seems i greatly overestimated WG. Stopped playing around the rework time as well
@@martaloc85 whiners money counts the same as hopeless sycophants. WG continuing to refuse to listen to player feedback is why you'll eventually be playing in a lobby by yourself with bots, if you can even tell the difference.
A month ago after being dumpstered in my Amagi vs a Midway because i was deployed with 2 other ships on the other end of the map trying to flee to my team for AA support, i wrote a help ticket to wargaming and they replied with "working as intended". I haven't logged in since.
You mentioned how a pilot can fix his plane more easily than a crew member repairing/replacing an AA mount.. Honestly.. making modules like secondaries and AA modules healable is a very gut idea.. Doubt I'm the first to come up with this.. and Really doubt they would be bothered to do such a thing.. but ye. Apart from the state of the game with CVs, the spam HE meta basically cleans the decks from AA.
@@manson1493 that nerf was a not very well working placebo. an attempt to pacify the people complaining about russian bias with the then new/upcoming power fantasy cruisers
CARRIER INFITINIVE PLANES AMOUNT IS THE WORSE. i will say something shocking but i think THE WORST DECISION EVER WAS ... to remove option for carrier to all planes being shoot down with no renowal option. before carrier changes carrier was forced to think how we will use his planes because he could not be able to fly them but now ... no minuses for cvs.
@@bladeclanhalo3 no problem. you do not agree. that is ok. i wrote in caps because i was angry on wows typing that. you can have different opinion but i will stay with mine.
@@bladeclanhalo3 CVs are more limited then previous cvs ?? what ?? You know ... i played from closed beta to 2019 and i really know what i am typing. You are joking right ? what you said - wg agrees with you which is ... terribly wrong game design to think that. but whatever ... if you believe that cvs are not op in current gameplay ... i wish to be in that dreamland you are in. it must be cool there. nothing personal friend. i just ... stronly disgree with all you said. stay safe. i will have no more to say.
You could totally see the writing on the wall when the best and only argument for continuing to play this game is " there aren't any better boat games"............
hmm exactly why i stay ...and...umm the investment i done earlier like belfast...kutozov...but if there anything thats abt 95% same game play like this barring re work cv....i dnt mind pre rework cv however broken they were...i would jump ship.
I have to say it still flabergasts me after I left this game which I loved 2yrs ago anyone is even surprised by where it is now currentlyor where its heading anymore. I watch purely to remind myself why I shall continue to stay away. Great comments flamu saying everything every player will no doubt say over and over again if only the CCs were actually listened to maybe the game wouldn't be such a broken disaster. Keep up the honesty 👍
It took about 2-3 years before War Gaming destroyed World of Tanks, so we are all ready in a better place..I give it another year , maybe... They always have to "fix things" or add content until everything is broken.
it is not about RTS versus current 3D game mode for the CVs, it is the fact that they nerf to death AA from all the level from captain skills, module upgrade, AA flak versus continuous damage, usefulness of fighters, limited consumable for fighters at both the CV level and surface ship level.
@@VuHien2011 "What is AA these days" Im CVmain, so I know that AA IS something... but this video was terrifying. At this point I have to say, they need to change a lot in this current system. Im not a person who says "CVs are in a fine state". In my opinion, its not far to balanced CVs BUT WG need to fix and change the real problems, instead of this shit in the last year. There is no real counterplay against CVs like u saw in this video. And in the RTS system there were real counterplays, real AA-ships. Thats what I miss here. CVs should have the possibility to attack any ship, but not if the AA of this ship stacks with other AA.
Straight to the flaming dumpster, it seems. At this point, I feel like WG is just spitefully going and making the game actively worse. Like, who at WG looked at the US BB split or the new Italian BBs and thought, "this is what our players want"?
Piratebuttseckz Italian BBs, I like. WG deciding that they’ll have horrifyingly inaccurate guns as a gimmick, I hate. Something flamu said in his ARP Yammy video, which stood out, “if a battleship has reliable guns, it can get away with a lot.” That’s the central feature of BBs, and the ITA BBs seem to have the least-reliable guns,
@@natesiress1057 Yes but who cares about accuracy when you an throw so much shit you gaurenteed to hit something. When you then combine this with the fact it has shells that ignore armor and its beyond broken. The ita Bbs are a terrible idea.
@@reaperking2121 That's the thing. They're kind of like the Asashio in a way; horrifically annoying to be on the receiving end of it, but when you play them, all the flaws are really glaring. Not at all good for the game.
WG heard the complaints about 120 aircraft being shot down and the carriers still having planes. That’s why they added FDR, a ship whose planes can never be shot down!
I just got my Holland the other day, joined a match and watched as even the tier 8 carrier landed drops on me through my AA. Felt a little bit let down.
You all have the power to vote with your money and don't spend on WG, on Xmas lottery containers in particular. Imagine, Captain perk rework, CV bs, and the subs incoming, why would you even bother.
@@camperben Personally, I make good money, and always treat myself on Xmas/New Years. But last year I got such trash ships for 225$ worth of digiboxes. I mean why is Fujin and Kamikaze are both in this game, they're absolutely identical, except the skin. Marblehead and Marblehead Lima, what the hell? I mean thanks for not giving me Diana Lima I guess. I got Yahagi instead. They keep releasing trash prem after trash, and I keep accumulating piles of resources because I don't feel like shelling out 2 million fxp on Hayate. Neustrashimy at how much coal? But I raised an important question to myself this time: how ofter I play the premium ships? I mean I got 117 of them. Not a lot, because they keep pumping line after line I need to grind, goddamn directives and dockyards and events and competitive and the MOTHERFUCKING RESEARCH BUREAU!!! I'm an adult, with family and friends and job which requires me to show up 5 days a week plus overtime. How many times I get to play my premiums and enjoy the game without a constant grind and chasing of the smoke castles and all the in-game poisonous toxicity... not a lot. Then why, I asked myself, I NEED to buy myself a premium ship, even the one I want, why bother giving them money for loot crates, to be dissapointed again. What about the fact that the countless hours I and many hours spent on so called Legendary Mods to have them nerfed and moved to Research Bureau. How many premium ships got castrated by mechanic changes, CV rework, soon commander perk rework and future Submarine Holocaust? I've lost faith in this company. I uninstalled both WOT and WOT Blitz, and so far have no willpower to uninstall WOWs, but I definitely have not spent a dime on it in months, and will not this holiday season. I rather turn those funds into poo, after visiting local restaurants.
That would be priceless to see first WG devs reaction after seeing this video for the first time. I would pay a full premium ship cost to hear their first comments on this ! 🤣
I absolutely enjoyed your ecstatic commentary of appreciation of the CV class, without stooping to any sarcasm at all. Yeah... it's.. well. .. At least we have something to talk about, eh? ??
I played for about 6 months after the rework and it was ludicrous, ran def aa and aa module on my american cleveland and des moines for no benefit for a while then realised it was pointless, memewhile CV players were constantly bitching about AA and how they could't do anything. Finally had enough and stopped but check in on the videos every once in a while and i gotta say, the MvR and FDR are just ridiculous.
Well, they only average out to roughly a 50% winrate! /s Because you know, each team always has one. So a win for one CV is a loss for another. But don't mind that.
@@belladesa91 exactly. Point being you can only use win ratio to determine how good a ship is in comparison to other ships of its class. Not to determine the effectiveness of the class as a whole.
This is actually emulating the history of naval warfare, you see with WW2 the naval aviation was the dominant force, so now in WOWS few years into the game that is what's happening. We're 5 years in, the game starts around the beginning of the 20th century, so next year will be the sixties with nuclear submarines and the year after that anti ship missiles will be introduced. It all makes perfect sense, every year represents a decade and they are just reenacting history. Spreadsheet says that we are enjoying it.
the aa this game shot down more than three nimitz class nuclear carriers (80 planes in total capacity each, with 122+137=259 planes shot down that game devidee by 2 that means the carriers that game had 126 planes in hangar somehow) don't talk about "realism" when it doesn't exist
bladeclanhalo3 you are wrong : midway went in battle with 70 planes whereas nimitz can go with 80 planes edit : sorry i was looking at the vietnam refit, midway can go in battle with 100 planes
bladeclanhalo3 then let's do some more maths shall we ? the richtoffen can carry (with the module if i have good memory) 52 planes, then we had up the 45 others fighters thats 97 planes, where are the 32 magical planes that appear out of nowhere ?
you just summed the game up brilliantly its busted beyond repair and not just CV's i can barely bring myself to play it anymore. your gonna see alot of older original players leave this game. i have never seen Flambass so disillusioned with the game after watching his channel as well. Both of you are two of the best guys to learn from but i can see just how cheesed off everyone is getting with it now its just not fun anymore. nobody likes losing all the time but its happening over and over again
At this point, "group up for AA to counter the CV" is fundamentally not a viable opinion. Any CV apologist who pushes that excuse should be treated as a troll who spreads misinformation.
@@bladeclanhalo3 There's proof not only in this video, but enough out there already. But as expected from a typical CV apologist, you don't provide anything to back up your claims.
@@bladeclanhalo3 You ignored the Thunderer and carrier AA that were very close to the Des Moines. That's literally the strongest proof of the problem that could be seen in this case, and of course you ignored it. Thanks for proving my point, that you can't use your excuses without ignoring the objective facts right in front of you dumbass. I guess you skipped that part of the video. It happens at 1:08. Now that you can't ignore it, I assume you will leave silently like a coward, again proving my point.
well ackythcully there is this mechanic where you can hide your ship under the water, you should have done that, the Grosser Kurfurst in A used that mechanic and didn't get touched by planes for the rest of the match.
This is my favorite Flamu video of 2020: CVs won't burn, can't flood, are the only ships immune to air attack, and have unlimited planes. 2 Midways in WOWS can sortie as many aircraft per day as the entire US 3rd Fleet could at it's zenith in 1945 with 8 fleet carriers and 8 Independence-class CVs. The old CVs could never strike a Des Moines, Montana & Gearing guarded by fighters. The old CV would just be deplaned for such poor decisions. Now CVs strike thru that & just keep striking. I used to be a whale, now I'm a minnow.
Imagine being anything but a Halland in this game. I laugh to mask the pain.
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Flamu thanks for informative video. My break from WoWs will take one more year then... have a good one!
I mean Halland is the only playable DD in the current meta
@@ErinGnarkill daring is good until you run out of smokes. Lesson: to avoid CVs don't play wows
I Have a Halland. A FDR spots me, drops a fighter on me thus keeping me spotted, then he torp drops me two times.
The FDR put me down to 5k health, and I shot down 6 planes total.
This game is beyond a utter joke.
Yeah cause if WG actually balanced CVs around people like Gaishu or forbid anyone who knows how to dodge flak then it becomes unplayable for the common player and we can't have that cause then how will they spend money getting to them or for Enterprise in lootboxes this Christmas man?
Jokes aside WGs insistence on the CV VS Surface ship being automatic because players are already overloaded in tasks is funny when they added subs for testing because sure let's add another task for the DDs to do yet we can't give any of our players manually controlled AA so they can fight the CVs with some skill
11 minutes but not every shell would hit. Flamu, son, that's why matches last 20 minutes! Pfft!
first comment under jingles comment now give me upvotes
@@ЛентяйЁпта No, it means extra time in the salt mines for you.
Please nerf the reload wdym, 179 shells in 11 minutes is too much. Nerf reload! (sarcasm)
You think they could fix Carriers by only allowing a certain number of planes, and once they've been expended you need to use the resupply consumable, and it takes 5 minutes to go into effect. Maximum 2 resupplies per round.
nerf the duration of the match. he's not supposed to be able to die
"With our powers combined, we are bullshit."
That's just 2020 WoWS in a nutshell: the winner is whoever manages to stack the most powercreep on a single team.
^ this
You can still be a total glue eater in a Balansgrad. Maybe a bit more dangerous one but still 'special' nontheless
@@yhormthemidget if you do that you die in 3 minutes, less if more people is shooting you.
Yep, if you team is full tech tree underwhelminng ship for example 3 Grobe in your team VS 3 Musashi in enemy team, you are basically done. Same goes with high tier
If half the enemy team is afk you’ll win
I remember the old days when an american cruiser was a No Fly-Zone in the game.
Haa the good old days where a CV player actually needed a brain to harm AA cruisers and teamwork was needed to work against and with a CV. Long gone...long gone.
Long since the days of Air Superiority and Area Denial have been forgotten..... by Wargaming.... *for Shame.*
@@vysearcadia522 it promoted good gameplay, so it's obviously removed.
BTW great news: Lepanto have just been Nerfed with all the turtleback reduced to 25mm from 40 and the upper broadside of just 70mm: have fun grinding that at tier IX.
Richtofen are puting groceries out of Vaseline stock waiting for the new line release !
Oh remember those days?
;-)
The days where CVs could actually do somthing to counter each other 👌
That Flamu used to get mad about bad balance decisions, and now he just laughs, tells you everything you need to know about where this game is heading
5 stages of anger
If you believe everything a youtuber says and let you get emotionally driven, youre nuts. Go buy some personal judgement and stop gettint controlled by others.
@@redviking2086 lol the hell asked you for an opinion on my own perception s
@@redviking2086 lol, are you a WG employee? Because i see not much of reason to defend the game. Believe me i tried, only way to defend them is through being a complete pay to win player that can give up money in every step of the every state of the game, no questions asked. Otherwise, there's at least one mess up that can put you away from the game.
@@redviking2086and you have driven everyone and everything against you. Phenomenal personal judgement you got there.
The Might Jingles calls CVs the"Fun Police".
Citing Jingles as a credible authority on WoWs is unwise.
In flamu’s twitch chat there is a command. it is !funpolice
Sky Cancer.
@@Matthew10950 You've made me a believer.
@@samadams2203 agreed. not a real expert on the game. More of an enthusiast.
I burst out laughing when the Montana detonated
I was a bit disappointed, he did not address the detonation :-D
It's so stupid. CVs can't donate, so IMO they shouldn't be able to donate anyone else either.
@@golem5809 lol cvs can't detonate but BBs detonating from bow hit from air droped torp. "sure"
@@tbalmer1207 lol yeah CVs cannot detonate despite being a ship with little armour and crammed full of high explosives and aviation fuel 🤪
@@nikoolix especially because in reality they are big large lightly armoured fuel tanks with highly flammable stuff like fuelled up planes with bombs inside their hangars, but... REASONS! (ask Akagi and Kaga at Midway what they think of this point)
Manfred von Richthofen makes Midway and Hakuryu look balanced
and there come FDR
I used to think Haku was overpowered then MVR came and I was like daym, then FDR and I realised what African children must feel during a monsoon after a drought, blast with a torrent of unstoppable "water"
You know the game is fucked when you're grateful if the enemy team has haku or midway
they did get people to shut up about midway and haku then!
Oh so it's not just me that noticed this, then 😂
This just reinforces my opinion that quitting this game was a good choice.
Im actively winding down also, love the game but a Game should be fun and this just isn't
Same.. they're super convinced there's more cash in the goose than there is in its eggs during its lifetime.
Same
+1 fuck this game. Not fun at all.
Yea I loved this game. Out of all the ganes that I played this was the one that I spent the most on, now I regret ever dollar spent along the way. WG took our money to ruin a fantastic game.
Nothing quite like deplaning 1.5 Nimitz class carriers.
Ah yes...When even Top of the Line, modern CVs (Which is basically just a glorified parking spot) who use every inch of space efficiently (with folding wings, advanced decade long parking techniques and all the space even under deck and are so huge they dwarf Yamato) would be deplaned in this game....Oh my god
or 2 fully loaded Midways
I love hot the fighter-comsumable doesn't even carry enough ammunition to shoot down an entire squadron of attacking planes.
Forget enough for a full squadron it's not enough to out damage a well timed heal, speaking from the end user if I have a heal ready for my planes you can just heal through the damage if you time it correctly and abuse damage reduction mechanics, legit cannot shoot you down even CV planes
Why the fuck would they even have ammo to begin with?? Nothing else has ammo in this game
@@neonlight1214 - fighters shoot down one plane each. Every time. There are no ammo limitations - it's 1:1. The issue with fighters is they have to first deploy then lock on. But once locked on they always shoot down equal numbers of bombers per fighter.
@@robertcoldwell4742 WG's response: We better make AA guns also have limited ammo, so fighters aren't alone
Lol used fighter on fdr planes and they dident kill shit.... just went eh ill just leave.
Petition to replace the Manfred von Ritchthofen with the actual Red Baron who just flies around murdering all the planes on the battlefield.
Spreadsheet says CVs are balanced, the 50% winrate of this class shows the perfect balance...
Newton's third law of potato motion: for every potato, there is an equal and opposite potato
@@oppaiomanko You don't even need potatoes- they have perfectly mirrored matchmaking, so definitionally CVs will have a 50% winrate overall, if we ignore Draws.
OFC its just a battle of the cvs, whichever team has the better cv, wins
they shouldn't be the only ships alive every game.
El2aZer (EU) would like to have a word with you.
I love how Flamu is literally just playing passive to commentate for at least the first half of the game...
****GETS 3K BASE XP AND TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD****
Yeah, because plane kills gets an insane amount of xp for some reason, as well as carriers doesn't get the same values as other clases. Just for wg come to say: "see? Cv doesn't get higher xp than others". Twerking numbers as they please to get the results they want.
@@serve_xt4298 twerking numbers 🤣
@@serve_xt4298 shooting down 30 planes brings you as much as killing a ship.
bottom 3 ships on red are dds. explains it all. if any red dds were semi-competent, game would have gone red.
And this does not even touch on the most infuriating piece of CV design: the infamous invisible fighters, spotting you from an unknown direction. Go angle against that!
oh yes thats another thing. I rem dying as i tried to find the planes that was spotting me. i was not angry... just dumbstruck ... and next time onwards don't do that i said to myself
MVR stealth FT casually flies inside your AA undetected.
Oh yes we need auto angle for our ships so CVs cause only small ammounts of dmg while we tear apart entire squadrons gg.
Just to remind everyone, AA is in the fine state))) Remember to spend 21 300 gold on Hizen in dockyard)))
AA whats that
What's Hizen?
i wil spend my hard earned money on lootboxes this year. i even bought clown mask(cheapest ofc so i will have more chash to spend) for Missouri hunting 1k euro should be ok, right? /s
Yeah no one will notice :P
@@xmlthegreat pretty much Izumo but you have an extra turret
In case you believe his rant against CVs was a bit too much, remember that the Montana got detonated by the CV while it was going on. Impossible to be more on the nose with the commentary, lol. Even the game was taking the piss.
Eventually they'll release a soviet CV. Can you imagine such a thing knowing how they balance both those categories?
wait till they put sturmoviks on it nothing will survive the 1st pass...
Nah, it wont be OP comrade. Just Admiral Kutnezov and his beloved Mig-29K. Nothing to worry
Planes with 20 km radar and 20 mins action time. This consumable however will be given a 30 min cool down in order to balance the power of flying radars. We believe this will promote fun and dynamic gameplay
Amazing skip bombs and you just attack out of AA range, made up for with low health and not so great agility
i think the soviet CVs will have like
megnetic Halland torps with F3 Shima torp dmg
Manfred AP rockets but with improved pen angles and 50% more dmg
faster falling Audacious bombs with 125% fire chance (so fuck you fire resistance)
Remember when you had to tell your CV not to fly over enemy ships to attack something, cause the planes would die, good times.
Well don't you know. CVs are floating aircraft factories.
Current CVs are like the entire US war industry in 1944...Producing planes and ships faster than your enemy can screw a plate on their ship
Yeah,but factories sometimes burn,CV's doesn't
Considering there is Des Moines in this and it was taken to service in 1948, which is pretty much 4 or so years after the Luftwaffe had basically become wingless. So that Richthofen probably has more usable planes than the entire German air force had irl at this point, completely fine ship design
"Hey, it's been a couple of months since I checked in on WoWs to see if the CV situation has improved. Let's go watch Flamu and see what's... aaaaand I'm still not playing" lol
same
Same, WG stopped listening to their playerbase, even to their own CCs.
@@H-Shop when did they every listen to anyone?
I’m right there with ya brother
Listen closely, what do your crew say when you activate DFAA:
"Anti Aircraft gun crews are on full alert"
WG: *yes they are*
The best part is, that there is no crew on WG ships
The best part of all of this was, on top of the insanely OP CV, he got a detonation on the Montana.
"..his great mistake..." was playing this game and expecting a fair shake.
Just wait for the subs. Thats where the real fun begins.
Thats when this game dies at least for us expereinced long term players...
@@pauldrive7243 aww, poor 👶 can’t adapt to anything changes.
@@tc4ltheking remember that Star Trek movie where the Borgs always adapt and they finally got a fatal blow and someone said" try to adapt to that!".
@@tc4ltheking WG moto : we always answer when cv cries. because they are the lamest player
@@pauldrive7243 Mind if i ask why people hate subs? i used to play when the game first came out, quit after a year and subs make me think of coming back but i have been out of the loop for a long time. Just looking to get info from long time players
Ah yes, the German CV fleet of a Half completed Graf Zeplin class and a half converted Hipper (Weser)
Top left corner of your desktop under This PC, its called Recycle Bin. That is where it is going.
That full health Montana mowed down in 2 drops sums it up, 5 minutes after demolishing a Des Moine protected by a Halland with 3AA consumables , another Manfred AA and a Montana...
Now everybody is holding their breath waiting for Cristoforo Colombo breaking the game balance with it's almighty 4.5km range AA batteries and it godlike 31% torpedo reduction...You know that little "tin bear" going right and left at the luna park with a white target circle painted on while people shot it with an air gun?
That carrier is like a god damn raid boss 😂
man, my PC broke last month so I couldn't play WoWS and now I am not even sad about it 😶
Also, that Fire Damage on CVs is an insult to all other ship classes
makes sense though. i mean pressing a button while you are murdering everything is bullshit and cv players should not have to endure that kkind of torment
Des Moines: "The spreadsheet says i'm having fun."
Flolo you just have to say that Richthofen is fun and WG nerves it straight away, at least you give WG an internal crysis of wanting to nerf a german ship but not want to nerf a CV.
People mention this on the forums and all the CV 'sympathisers' rise up saying just dodge.
Maybe i should just dodge midways rocket planes that do 200+knts in my shima i mean i clearly missplayed and diserve 15k alpha strike for touching the obj silly me
@@lewiskellett5654 Yes silly you. Don't broadside to rockets m8. That is your fault. The dumb thing about CVs isn't their damage, its their ability to spot. If they change how CV spotting works, CVs would be in a much better position. Except maybe tone down MvR's Cit damage and FDR's chances of fire and flood and damage.
@@sickseed8513 "dont broadside" lol this is whats wrong with WOWS community. you either give broadside to a CV's planes or get smashed by the ships that will inevitably be shooting at you. JuSt DoDgEjaklsdlkkjasdklkjasldkajl
@@sickseed8513 or you go bow in and get smashed for 5k anyway (which is 25% of your health if you’re a DD), because fuck you.
@@thefonz4785 The only thing, he said as Shima. please look at the full context. If you broadside as shima to a CV, it is your fault.
WG to player base: "don't be mad, we wouldn't let you in here unless we knew you were a sucker."
I'm glad I stopped a bit before the CV rework. I remember that CVs were already the fun police but Montana + DM was a wall of AA that could not be powered through, CVs at least had to pay attention and to have some skills to farm cross torps and stuff...
Oh well..... :(
"2 people playing against each other and the rest of us get to enjoy watching them having fun". Maximum sarcasm engaged - well done Flamu! I really hope WoWs see this. It will get to the point where people will see an FDR or MVR in the matchmaking and immediately abandon the game and start a new one until they can get a game without CVs. There is not much point in playing a match with an FDR or MVR in it, but I'm not hopeful WoWs will get the message. They don't seem to care.
It's so true that it hurts. Everyone who are not CV are pawns
if u would quit all CV games , u would have no games left to play xD
The sad part is that wargaming just doesnt care because they think they are balanced. There response will be to create harsher penalties for people abandoning matches, not to balance the CVs.
Sarcasm when at it's finest! This is why I stopped playing, I miss playing but will probably never return.
I was in a worcester, next to a Des Moines and a Halland. FdR flew circles around us, keeping us spotted until Halland and I were killed. Yeah, just group up, right...
16:33
"Халанд, надо пекировать на авик"
(Rought translation: "Halland, dive bomb the CV")
Huh, well that's the weirdest and oddest way I've seen somone say "kill yourself" in my life.
Proper AA will be available in XMas loot crates.
but it only lasts for around 15 days .. after that you have to buy it for 4,99$ a day
"Where is this game heading" is a phrase destined to doom all those who say it
“With the powers combined, we are bullshit.”
-Flamu, 2020
Flak clouds are just like normal clouds nowadays
The sortie rate on CVs is the equivalent of giving Montana a 5 second reload on the main battery. Then make Montana fire & flood proof, and immune to attack by enemy planes. Then give Montana the Minotaur superheal as a rough equivalent for unlimited planes on CVs. That's what Montana would look like if it was "balanced" like a CV. Gee, I wonder why CVs are the most hated class in the game? Many people in my clan left after the CV rework, never to return. I can't blame them.
it's like WoT over all again now
Same SH. Not surprised
always has been
Really glad I quit the game when I did, a few years ago. Things haven't improved and WG just continues to try and squeeze revenue out of a dying game.
Well, it seems there are still enough idiots throwing enough money at them for this crap.
I would be one of them, if I'd get some solid ship combat out of that frankenstein game...
But for that to happen, they would have straight up delete CV's and stop the sub introduction.
Every other problem is just minor in comparison and did at least not kill the basic fun and concept of the game.
I thought they made pre-rework CVs unnecessarily overpowered to make the rework seem better, and then they go and do this to the post-rework CVs.
Seems i greatly overestimated WG. Stopped playing around the rework time as well
@@martaloc85 Oh great, the big-brains-guy is here. I'm sure, he has all the best of words. Tremendous.
@@martaloc85 whiners money counts the same as hopeless sycophants. WG continuing to refuse to listen to player feedback is why you'll eventually be playing in a lobby by yourself with bots, if you can even tell the difference.
A month ago after being dumpstered in my Amagi vs a Midway because i was deployed with 2 other ships on the other end of the map trying to flee to my team for AA support, i wrote a help ticket to wargaming and they replied with "working as intended". I haven't logged in since.
You mentioned how a pilot can fix his plane more easily than a crew member repairing/replacing an AA mount.. Honestly.. making modules like secondaries and AA modules healable is a very gut idea.. Doubt I'm the first to come up with this.. and Really doubt they would be bothered to do such a thing.. but ye. Apart from the state of the game with CVs, the spam HE meta basically cleans the decks from AA.
Wg definitely knows about the idea. The problem is that CVs are designed to be like arty, to ruin fun games so people are frustrated enough to spend.
Yet 100% AA does not mean much though.
then whats the point of kremlin "nerf"
@@manson1493 that nerf was a not very well working placebo. an attempt to pacify the people complaining about russian bias with the then new/upcoming power fantasy cruisers
@@clefsan Yeah ik that's why i quoted it
I was really hoping for flamu to burst out into hysterical laughter when the montana detonated at 9:13
The sarcasm is strong with this one. Me likes it.
CARRIER INFITINIVE PLANES AMOUNT IS THE WORSE. i will say something shocking but i think THE WORST DECISION EVER WAS ... to remove option for carrier to all planes being shoot down with no renowal option. before carrier changes carrier was forced to think how we will use his planes because he could not be able to fly them but now ... no minuses for cvs.
@@bladeclanhalo3 no problem. you do not agree. that is ok. i wrote in caps because i was angry on wows typing that. you can have different opinion but i will stay with mine.
@@bladeclanhalo3 CVs are more limited then previous cvs ?? what ?? You know ... i played from closed beta to 2019 and i really know what i am typing. You are joking right ? what you said - wg agrees with you which is ... terribly wrong game design to think that. but whatever ... if you believe that cvs are not op in current gameplay ... i wish to be in that dreamland you are in. it must be cool there. nothing personal friend. i just ... stronly disgree with all you said. stay safe. i will have no more to say.
@@rpra6435 that guy is actively trolling, ignore him.
To hell. I've let my premium lapse for the first time in years... haven't played since I unlocked the Anchorage.
You could totally see the writing on the wall when the best and only argument for continuing to play this game is " there aren't any better boat games"............
hmm exactly why i stay ...and...umm the investment i done earlier like belfast...kutozov...but if there anything thats abt 95% same game play like this barring re work cv....i dnt mind pre rework cv however broken they were...i would jump ship.
Are there any better boat games you'd recommend?
@@thepaperbagmask War thunder. Not optimal yet, but it's improving
@@belladesa91 wows is still much better than war thunder in terms of boat
Best scartastic WG video this year, now subscribing. Thanks Flamu...
I have to say it still flabergasts me after I left this game which I loved 2yrs ago anyone is even surprised by where it is now currentlyor where its heading anymore. I watch purely to remind myself why I shall continue to stay away. Great comments flamu saying everything every player will no doubt say over and over again if only the CCs were actually listened to maybe the game wouldn't be such a broken disaster. Keep up the honesty 👍
Wargaming: CV’s are perfectly balanced.
Community: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!?
It took about 2-3 years before War Gaming destroyed World of Tanks, so we are all ready in a better place..I give it another year , maybe... They always have to "fix things" or add content until everything is broken.
CV's are why i don't play any longer. I was a whale too.
Watching this the second time is just as hilarious as it was the first time
Please don't send Kevin. PLEASE, I beg you!
@@jamesmcmillan1809 He doesn't dare come over, it's too manly
If WG were responsible to balance houses, we all would be living in tents.
Game has been suffering ever since cv rework. Aa needs a serious buff or else its just world of cv, bc every other class doesnt matter.
well said Rob. well said indeed.
C V = C O R O N A V I R U S
I think there are enough reasons to bring RTS Carriers back...
at least in this system there were some possibilities to counter CVs effectively
it is not about RTS versus current 3D game mode for the CVs, it is the fact that they nerf to death AA from all the level from captain skills, module upgrade, AA flak versus continuous damage, usefulness of fighters, limited consumable for fighters at both the CV level and surface ship level.
@@VuHien2011 "What is AA these days"
Im CVmain, so I know that AA IS something... but this video was terrifying. At this point I have to say, they need to change a lot in this current system.
Im not a person who says "CVs are in a fine state". In my opinion, its not far to balanced CVs BUT WG need to fix and change the real problems, instead of this shit in the last year.
There is no real counterplay against CVs like u saw in this video. And in the RTS system there were real counterplays, real AA-ships. Thats what I miss here.
CVs should have the possibility to attack any ship, but not if the AA of this ship stacks with other AA.
Remember when the space around the Des Moines was a no-fly zone?
Straight to the flaming dumpster, it seems. At this point, I feel like WG is just spitefully going and making the game actively worse. Like, who at WG looked at the US BB split or the new Italian BBs and thought, "this is what our players want"?
there were ppl who wanted ita bbs. nobody wanted the new US bbs
ITa BBs seem interesting to me. USN BB split was liquid AIDS
Piratebuttseckz Italian BBs, I like. WG deciding that they’ll have horrifyingly inaccurate guns as a gimmick, I hate. Something flamu said in his ARP Yammy video, which stood out, “if a battleship has reliable guns, it can get away with a lot.” That’s the central feature of BBs, and the ITA BBs seem to have the least-reliable guns,
@@natesiress1057 Yes but who cares about accuracy when you an throw so much shit you gaurenteed to hit something. When you then combine this with the fact it has shells that ignore armor and its beyond broken. The ita Bbs are a terrible idea.
@@reaperking2121 That's the thing. They're kind of like the Asashio in a way; horrifically annoying to be on the receiving end of it, but when you play them, all the flaws are really glaring. Not at all good for the game.
"With our powers combined - we are BULLSHIT"
That goes into my Flamu's Gold collection of memes.
Yep Best AA Cruiser, I love my Halland ;)
WG heard the complaints about 120 aircraft being shot down and the carriers still having planes. That’s why they added FDR, a ship whose planes can never be shot down!
I just got my Holland the other day, joined a match and watched as even the tier 8 carrier landed drops on me through my AA. Felt a little bit let down.
1:10 ...and lost all his planes, that's an important thing you forgot to mension
You all have the power to vote with your money and don't spend on WG, on Xmas lottery containers in particular. Imagine, Captain perk rework, CV bs, and the subs incoming, why would you even bother.
Our clan always gives loot boxes as xmas gifts. We all decided not to this year. Cutting back on Whaling is the only way to get a message through.
@@camperben Personally, I make good money, and always treat myself on Xmas/New Years. But last year I got such trash ships for 225$ worth of digiboxes. I mean why is Fujin and Kamikaze are both in this game, they're absolutely identical, except the skin. Marblehead and Marblehead Lima, what the hell? I mean thanks for not giving me Diana Lima I guess. I got Yahagi instead. They keep releasing trash prem after trash, and I keep accumulating piles of resources because I don't feel like shelling out 2 million fxp on Hayate. Neustrashimy at how much coal? But I raised an important question to myself this time: how ofter I play the premium ships? I mean I got 117 of them. Not a lot, because they keep pumping line after line I need to grind, goddamn directives and dockyards and events and competitive and the MOTHERFUCKING RESEARCH BUREAU!!! I'm an adult, with family and friends and job which requires me to show up 5 days a week plus overtime. How many times I get to play my premiums and enjoy the game without a constant grind and chasing of the smoke castles and all the in-game poisonous toxicity... not a lot. Then why, I asked myself, I NEED to buy myself a premium ship, even the one I want, why bother giving them money for loot crates, to be dissapointed again. What about the fact that the countless hours I and many hours spent on so called Legendary Mods to have them nerfed and moved to Research Bureau. How many premium ships got castrated by mechanic changes, CV rework, soon commander perk rework and future Submarine Holocaust? I've lost faith in this company. I uninstalled both WOT and WOT Blitz, and so far have no willpower to uninstall WOWs, but I definitely have not spent a dime on it in months, and will not this holiday season. I rather turn those funds into poo, after visiting local restaurants.
That would be priceless to see first WG devs reaction after seeing this video for the first time.
I would pay a full premium ship cost to hear their first comments on this ! 🤣
You also seem to forget that the only thing WG is capable of counting is money.
But in the long run they too will miss out, once everyone quits.
I absolutely enjoyed your ecstatic commentary of appreciation of the CV class, without stooping to any sarcasm at all.
Yeah... it's.. well. .. At least we have something to talk about, eh? ??
Still glad I quit when the PR missions were released.
I got dev stuck by 2 ap bomb strikes in my full health DM at the start of a match this week... I just rage quit the session after that...
I had the same happened to me.. 3 times in one day. 26k health from 1 drop in return I shot down 4 planes.
19:41 And then just to spite you, the MvR died to a fire.
I quit this game after the carrier rework, there was a glimmer of hope when i saw the vids title but alas i was mistaken.
Me too. I thought carriers were fine the way they were.
I played for about 6 months after the rework and it was ludicrous, ran def aa and aa module on my american cleveland and des moines for no benefit for a while then realised it was pointless, memewhile CV players were constantly bitching about AA and how they could't do anything. Finally had enough and stopped but check in on the videos every once in a while and i gotta say, the MvR and FDR are just ridiculous.
Thanks for telling the truth.
"With our powers combined, we are bullshit! Nice." - Flamu, 2020
This is what we call WG-mandated fun.
Flamu, this vid made me lol multiple times.
There's a reason I stopped spending IRL monies on this game. There's also a reason that the playerbase is dwindling. Are they related? Hmm....
CV's playing chess in a game full of nothing but pawns and one queen on each side.
Nah man, spreadsheet says cvs are weak
Well, they only average out to roughly a 50% winrate! /s
Because you know, each team always has one. So a win for one CV is a loss for another. But don't mind that.
if they are the only ships alive at the end of every game, than they are broken.
@@Schmeethe88 every team hv mirror ship types with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 in normal
@@belladesa91 exactly. Point being you can only use win ratio to determine how good a ship is in comparison to other ships of its class. Not to determine the effectiveness of the class as a whole.
This is actually emulating the history of naval warfare, you see with WW2 the naval aviation was the dominant force, so now in WOWS few years into the game that is what's happening. We're 5 years in, the game starts around the beginning of the 20th century, so next year will be the sixties with nuclear submarines and the year after that anti ship missiles will be introduced. It all makes perfect sense, every year represents a decade and they are just reenacting history.
Spreadsheet says that we are enjoying it.
The Halland is such a fun ship, i love mine to bits!
the first 5 min (not watched further yet) literally feel like flamu sitting on a burning ship laughing his ass of at "this is still fine (balance)"
the aa this game shot down more than three nimitz class nuclear carriers (80 planes in total capacity each, with 122+137=259 planes shot down that game devidee by 2 that means the carriers that game had 126 planes in hangar somehow)
don't talk about "realism" when it doesn't exist
bladeclanhalo3 you are wrong : midway went in battle with 70 planes whereas nimitz can go with 80 planes
edit : sorry i was looking at the vietnam refit, midway can go in battle with 100 planes
still, there is 29 magical planes who comes out of nowhere and the mvr isn't even a midway, it's much smaller
bladeclanhalo3 then let's do some more maths shall we ?
the richtoffen can carry (with the module if i have good memory) 52 planes, then we had up the 45 others fighters
thats 97 planes, where are the 32 magical planes that appear out of nowhere ?
@@bladeclanhalo3 can you apply lujens cv restoration time buff?
@@nocalbestbb ITS OVER 9000 !!!!
I don't know about you guys, but I personally feel like I'm detecting a tiny bit of sarcasm in Flamu's voice...
It is the CV's game, you're just in it.
Oh, you made that joke
you just summed the game up brilliantly its busted beyond repair and not just CV's i can barely bring myself to play it anymore. your gonna see alot of older original players leave this game. i have never seen Flambass so disillusioned with the game after watching his channel as well. Both of you are two of the best guys to learn from but i can see just how cheesed off everyone is getting with it now its just not fun anymore. nobody likes losing all the time but its happening over and over again
Flamu now we wait for u-boots hahahahahahhahahaha :)
Love this.. The sarcasm is on point!!.. 😂.. Keep flaming the CV's Flamu lol..
At this point, "group up for AA to counter the CV" is fundamentally not a viable opinion. Any CV apologist who pushes that excuse should be treated as a troll who spreads misinformation.
@@bladeclanhalo3 Projecting much?
@@bladeclanhalo3 There's proof not only in this video, but enough out there already. But as expected from a typical CV apologist, you don't provide anything to back up your claims.
@@bladeclanhalo3 troll harder moron. Or do you need to be sent back to troll school? That is weakest trolling I've ever seen.
@@bladeclanhalo3 You ignored the Thunderer and carrier AA that were very close to the Des Moines. That's literally the strongest proof of the problem that could be seen in this case, and of course you ignored it. Thanks for proving my point, that you can't use your excuses without ignoring the objective facts right in front of you dumbass. I guess you skipped that part of the video. It happens at 1:08. Now that you can't ignore it, I assume you will leave silently like a coward, again proving my point.
"YEP I'm really good at this game"
Richthofen player
I haven't played randoms in months. Too stressful with these bloody CVs.
well ackythcully there is this mechanic where you can hide your ship under the water, you should have done that, the Grosser Kurfurst in A used that mechanic and didn't get touched by planes for the rest of the match.
Sky cancer. WG needs to be mercilessly mocked for this obscenity.
This is my favorite Flamu video of 2020: CVs won't burn, can't flood, are the only ships immune to air attack, and have unlimited planes. 2 Midways in WOWS can sortie as many aircraft per day as the entire US 3rd Fleet could at it's zenith in 1945 with 8 fleet carriers and 8 Independence-class CVs. The old CVs could never strike a Des Moines, Montana & Gearing guarded by fighters. The old CV would just be deplaned for such poor decisions. Now CVs strike thru that & just keep striking. I used to be a whale, now I'm a minnow.