[Pro game review] Top pro plays like 30kyu and still playing so awesome! Shin-Jinseo vs Shin-Minjun

Shin-Jinseo drew masterpiece on the board and managed so well!
This game is between Shin-Jinseo(white) vs Shin-Minjun(black) in 2019-2020 Korea Baduk league.
It was played on 2nd of May in 2020.
Enjoy the review :D
#Shinjinseo #gamereview #shinminjun
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[@sethsun9237]

AI assisted analysis is the best! So many things we didn't know about go, not even the pros

[@nilshanebeck9674]

"I will have a chance if I wait." So he's waiting. But actually, no chance.
Talk about cruel facts of life...

[@TheJuaniji]

Thank you very much for the analysis of games. I like your way so very much. I learn a lot from your comments and replays and masters analysis and so on.

[@heartache5742]

"it took me four years to paint like raphael, but a a lifetime to paint like a child" - picasso

[@GGLun]

Very interwsting video and game as always! Best go channel on TH-cam rigth now. Thank you very much

[@paulbloemen7256]

Super game, so very well explained: thank you! AI will help the very talented players to become super strong, while it also will help us mortal amateurs understand those games better when used by talented explainers. So exciting!

[@jowilson5581]

wow. it's so cool to see young players who can jump from the foothill humans have been climbing for thousands of years, to the real mountain of this game that AI has shown us! maybe someday humans can become as strong as AI once again. i have faith in the next generation of players!

[@tckgkljgfl7958]

Fun take

[@undertyped1]

The ai have already improved to the point that this is an impossible task. Katago is now like a 15 dan, while humans will forever be 9 dan.

[@luisbanegassaybe6685]

고프로 연우의 비다오들이 항상 재미있어서 감사합니다

[@goproyeonwoo]

재밌게 봐 주셔서 감사해요 :)

[@jacklyfgardon9254]

Hopefully i never played agains that kind of 18 kyu ^^

[@letMeSayThatInIrish]

I want a little thumbs down button beneath the thumbs down button so I can down vote the down vote of this great video.

[@Losloth]

Thank you for showing this game. It would be interested in watching a series where you cover a tournament game by game, kind of in the style of agadmator for chess tournaments. Go is so interesting!

[@jojojo8835]

Yes, great idea! Pros only usually review the most unusual games, but It would give me (ddk) a broader feel for what’s good shape and direction to see the ordinary ‘boring’ games too.

[@oxingyuan]

ขอบคุณมากครับ สนุกมาก

[@paulschmit4480]

Again and again I see comments from viewers asking for sgf files and that is very understandable but IMHO it is a little bit like entering a bakery, asking for the cake you saw in the window but with no intention to pay for it. Only very few professional players can live from prize money alone and most rely on teaching, and I assume that is the case for Yeonwoo and most of other creators of educational G0/Baduk on TH-cam. If I study videos from a specific creator regularly I think it is just fair to give something back and support her or him and this can easily be done over the Patreon system, and as an additional benefit I get sgf files of interest without asking so to say for a free meal.

[@RustyNPiece]

The comparison is somewhat faulty. Nonetheless I also encourage everyone who can to support Yeonwoo via Patreon, her content is certainly worth it!
The sgf-file is just an ingredient to make the cake and LZ or another bot is just a tool to bake the cake. Even if you have both, you will not be able to make a commentary (=cake) like Yeonwoo does, because for us mere go-enthusiasts LZ' recommendation are way above our level (being put atop a game which is equally above our head). As Yeonwoo pointed out, if you don't know the follow-ups to certain bot moves, you may end up worse.
Antti Törmänen 1p has commented on a couple of his games over at www.nordicgodojo.eu/ and frequentely says that he only plays moves his does understand and can follow through in his games.
The raw sgf-files can be found here (as just one example): www.go4go.net/ (free account is needed)

[@Fine_Mouche]

i confirm i almost find this move as 16Kyu (i look at 14th colonne 14th line / 14-13 / 15-14 / 15-13 area but don't have time to guest a precise move because you give the answer to fast for me)

[@hendrysetiadi1862]

Meanwhile, a 30 kyu player plays a go game, and someone said,
"Wow, you plays like a pro"

[@burghardvonkarger5718]

It would be so cool if you could post a link to an sgf when you do a video. I like to run the game you are commenting on in a second window in Katago, but often I misplace a stone early on, and then sometime in the middle I have to restart from the beginning :-(
Same when you do a lesson. It is nice to just load the given problem into a go program and try out some moves before continuing the video.

[@jonathanfournier3624]

SGF files are available for Patreon supporters.

[@Uberdude1985]

Why do you have to restart if you misplay a stone? Lizzie lets you delete a move, Sabaki surely does too.

[@Fine_Mouche]

is this possible to be better than lee sedol ?! (i'm maybe to much in the past :/ )

[@George12String]

Does anyone else think that Shin-Jinseo goes through every fuseki he can think of to see what moves the AI likes best? How else could he have found something like W18? This is not to minimize his incredible skill, of course!

[@alexprach]

What it feels like, what moves have pros have been critisizing over the century? Lets see if AI thinks they actually are bad, so probably lots and lots of research.

[@paulbloemen7256]

George12String He “only” needs to look at fuseki patterns he likes to employ. It is like preparing the opening to play in a game of chess: not about some corner pattern but about the full board pattern. In the past this may have been impossible: too many good moves to consider, no way to weed out the slightly worse ones. But AI can help here in a super efficient way. AI helps to hone the skills of the very talented and avid player.

[@Uberdude1985]

That hanging connection and living with early endgame hane in lower right is a really nice idea, that could be used in other games too. I searched for it in a pro game database and can't find it, but now I see it its hard to believe no one ever thought of it before! I wrote a post about it at lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=17494

[@goproyeonwoo]

Cool writing!

[@arekkrolak6320]

If the black plan requires the best player in Korea to die in gote then all hope is lost :)

[@gangcai2876]

Twins?

[@goproyeonwoo]

No they are not twins haha