I found it interesting hearing the view of people somewhat younger than myself on why we think things were better in the past. It's easy for me to dismiss that from people my own age or older because they are so obviously nostalgic for a world that never actually existed, when children respected their elders, the streets were safe, a Curly Wurly cost only 3p and everyone was so much taller. By almost all objective measures, our world is so much better than it was when I was a child, and by most measures, it's better than it was in the 1990s for most of the world. And yet ... I too get this feeling that we hit a peak around the turn of the century then flailed around for a bit before going into a nosedive in 2016.
What a brave and loving woman you are! I’ve always thought that there is no such thing as free will, but have recently thought that there has to be free will for us to be able to sin. I think you were saying that sin is best thought of as a collective phenomenon even though it’s hard to square this with our individual propensity to f…up. I think there is truth in thinking that we are never entirely an individual. The collective helps us to have a disposition towards good or evil. Well, you certainly have got me thinking!
Wow. This feels so relevant right now, will there be an audio book at all? I've been thinking a lot about 'Sin' and what it means to different people. Some thoughts that seem to resonate with myself are the ideas that 'Sin is the refusal to continue to evolve' and 'we can't shame ourselves into change but only love ourselves into evolution'. Look forward to reading/listening to the book.
I struggle with the idea that there is no individual. Maybe I can meet you half way with the Catholic social teaching idea that the family is the basic societal unit.
But you're not your brothers or sisters are you? You are you and they are them, YOU are a real person, you can do better than to hide in a crowd and lose your sense of self.
What makes us weep is very personal. I weep at the scene in The Next Karate Kid where she's practicing her kata to the sound of the Cranberries ( a group I normally can't stand) and the monks walk in and do a little dance. Even remembering that scene makes my eyes moist, but if anyone asked me why, I couldn't say more than something vague about human goodness. Does that make me melodramatic?
Loneliness is a problem, but 'the church' and 'community' are absolute lies and no solution as sitting lonely among Jesus loving dead bones in Christ's whited sepulchres proves.
This is gnostic heresy. No offense, but you're trying to squeeze too much modernity into the toothpaste tube of Christianity. God is becoming. Ego sum qui sum.
I love the idea of sin as relational and the essence of it being disconnection. Because I don't have much of a personal history with the word, other than natural cultural conditioning, I found it easy to translate and ascribe to it its proper meaning. But I still question whether redefining, or better understanding, problematic terms is the most effective way of healing the associated traumas and facilitating the missing experiences that popular usage occludes; in this instance, innocence and connection. Another word I love is wanking and I generally dislike the new-wellness substitute, self-pleasuring. But I'm also aware that 'wanking' is rife with unhealthy associations, patterns and behaviours that are not serving me or others, or allowing me to have the most pleasurable, satisfying, intimately soulful sex life. So I'm doing away with 'wanking' for the time being and adopting 'self-pleasuring' while I cultivate a more wholesome and loving relationship to my sexuality. My intention then is to decondition 'wanking' and resurrect it with new depth, aliveness and soulful meaning. Maybe I'll discover that 'wanking' simply doesn't cut the mustard anymore and that 'self-pleasuring' does cut the mustard. But enough about mustard. I think it's important work redeeming words and I love what you and the team are doing at The Sacred.
Elizabeth, as Christian-adjacent, youre one of the strongest voices drawing me to suprising (for me) outcome. This discussion a good example.
I found it interesting hearing the view of people somewhat younger than myself on why we think things were better in the past. It's easy for me to dismiss that from people my own age or older because they are so obviously nostalgic for a world that never actually existed, when children respected their elders, the streets were safe, a Curly Wurly cost only 3p and everyone was so much taller. By almost all objective measures, our world is so much better than it was when I was a child, and by most measures, it's better than it was in the 1990s for most of the world. And yet ... I too get this feeling that we hit a peak around the turn of the century then flailed around for a bit before going into a nosedive in 2016.
You live your life and I will live mine thanks.
Lol
What a brave and loving woman you are!
I’ve always thought that there is no such thing as free will, but have recently thought that there has to be free will for us to be able to sin. I think you were saying that sin is best thought of as a collective phenomenon even though it’s hard to square this with our individual propensity to f…up. I think there is truth in thinking that we are never entirely an individual. The collective helps us to have a disposition towards good or evil. Well, you certainly have got me thinking!
Thank you for engaging so thoughtfully with the episode!
Extremely good looking and intelligent interviewer
My pre-order is coming Saturday, I'm ready for it!
Thanks so much 🙏
Remember that apocalypse is Greek for an unveiling. If nothing else, something is being unveiled:
"A terrible beauty is born."
(Yeats)
Thanks for this Elizabeth. It's really helpful. Human nature to be deeply confused coz we never know. X
Thanks for listening 🙏
Looking forward to the book!
Wow. This feels so relevant right now, will there be an audio book at all? I've been thinking a lot about 'Sin' and what it means to different people. Some thoughts that seem to resonate with myself are the ideas that 'Sin is the refusal to continue to evolve' and 'we can't shame ourselves into change but only love ourselves into evolution'. Look forward to reading/listening to the book.
So glad you enjoyed it! Yes there will be an audio book. All being released tomorrow! 😁
Loved this! ❤️💙
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching ❤️
I struggle with the idea that there is no individual. Maybe I can meet you half way with the Catholic social teaching idea that the family is the basic societal unit.
But you're not your brothers or sisters are you?
You are you and they are them, YOU are a real person, you can do better than to hide in a crowd and lose your sense of self.
Don't need to be born again, I was born just fine the first time
I love you.
this melodramatic woman, who weeps at children`s songs and gushes shamelessly, is an inadequate guide to the human condition.
What makes us weep is very personal. I weep at the scene in The Next Karate Kid where she's practicing her kata to the sound of the Cranberries ( a group I normally can't stand) and the monks walk in and do a little dance. Even remembering that scene makes my eyes moist, but if anyone asked me why, I couldn't say more than something vague about human goodness. Does that make me melodramatic?
Loneliness is a problem, but 'the church' and 'community' are absolute lies and no solution as sitting lonely among Jesus loving dead bones in Christ's whited sepulchres proves.
This is gnostic heresy. No offense, but you're trying to squeeze too much modernity into the toothpaste tube of Christianity. God is becoming. Ego sum qui sum.
I love the idea of sin as relational and the essence of it being disconnection. Because I don't have much of a personal history with the word, other than natural cultural conditioning, I found it easy to translate and ascribe to it its proper meaning. But I still question whether redefining, or better understanding, problematic terms is the most effective way of healing the associated traumas and facilitating the missing experiences that popular usage occludes; in this instance, innocence and connection.
Another word I love is wanking and I generally dislike the new-wellness substitute, self-pleasuring. But I'm also aware that 'wanking' is rife with unhealthy associations, patterns and behaviours that are not serving me or others, or allowing me to have the most pleasurable, satisfying, intimately soulful sex life. So I'm doing away with 'wanking' for the time being and adopting 'self-pleasuring' while I cultivate a more wholesome and loving relationship to my sexuality. My intention then is to decondition 'wanking' and resurrect it with new depth, aliveness and soulful meaning. Maybe I'll discover that 'wanking' simply doesn't cut the mustard anymore and that 'self-pleasuring' does cut the mustard. But enough about mustard. I think it's important work redeeming words and I love what you and the team are doing at The Sacred.