Did this Kill the STI? 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Circuit Edition Reviewed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ryan flys to Utah to drive the all-new GR Corolla. Is this the car that killed the Subaru STI?
#Toyota #Corolla #grcorolla
CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
00:42 - Features
10:44 - Driving Impressions (and 0-60)
14:15 - Track Experience
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Im gonna say what no one else wants to say: The STI killed itself. It was like putting Moviestop against Netflix. This GR Corolla is what Subaru WRX and STI enthusiasts deserve, without all the reliability issues. Great review Ryan!
Well said, curious if you can get that 3 cylinder to 500hp
@@Unxpekted this gr 1.6T 3 cyl already push to 500whp in EU in GR yaris with stock internal. I’m a sti owner but I’m not fan of gr Corolla. I prefer gr yaris, smaller, cheaper, and base mode come with more standard feature. Gr corolla is over priced imo
@@yizhouwang7904 500 hp in an AWD light weight car, wow!
@@Unxpekted and Toyota mod this engine for hydrogen combustion powered engine already. Put 300+hp too. However, I’ll still stay with my sti.
Owned a '02 WRX hatch for 17 years, 208K miles. No big issues until the 10th year, then started having some repairs, nothing major. That said it was maintained, journal of every oil change/lightbulb. Some spirited driving but never hammered or tuned within an inch of the engine's life. Buying a used WRX/STI can be risky.
It would be a kick in the pants to drive, but at my age it’s too hard to get in and out of.
Great review Ryan
The price point was mentioned here as reasonable, $42-43k for the Circuit and $49-51k for the Morizo. But, one thing is not mentioned that I found out from finally talking to an honest dealer is the final price. Since this is a premium vehicle and there will be a limited number built paired with high demand, expect the dealer to add $10-20k to the final price. They are currently doing this with the top trim level Tundra. At this high price range I was starting to see low mileage RS7's show up in my regional car searches just for comparison.
I like it but I'd rather buy a Fiesta ST for the money. I will only buy this if I get a raise.
I happy this GR-Four is here. I would like to see the Celica GT-4/AllTrac make a return as well!
YES!!!!! Have been waiting for this from none other than, Ryan Douthit!!! As a current 2020 STI owner... I have been itching for this review...
Glad we get this (especially the Morizo edition). Will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the competition. Shame STI and RS offerings are no longer around to bolster the segment, maybe this will reinvigorate it to a degree.
The actual segment is becoming the problem. Rare, limited edition high performance versions of economy cars that were supposed to be affordable that turn into the complete opposite shouldn’t be a thing. And btw WE aren’t getting the Morizo edition, rich losers on Bring a Trailer that have $100k to spend on a Corolla get it.
@@axe2grind244 yeah, wannabes cry about it but don't buy them enough in numbers to keep production going.
@@cloudsmith7803 no. New regulations in some states killed the sti, nothing else.
That's so cool! Two of my favorite channels tested this same car, just like with the Lexus RX 500h F Sport!
Happy to see you review this monster. Not a practical car for me but enjoyable to get your take.
Great review!! Where did you get that shirt!? It's awesome 😎👍
Thanks! Shirt was from blipshift.
In your words “Toyota is turning the upside down!” Why can’t Subaru turn the world upside down with a MANUAL Crosstrek (turbo) version of this vehicle!? Don’t they realize the sales and buzz this would generate?
Toyota owns large portion of Subaru. So they can’t compete like that I guess
Subaru is getting away from enthusiasts, whether they realize it or not. They are going more for the off-road crowd with all the plastic cladding and such. This is coming from a Subaru advisor. They need to do both well, or if they can’t decide to just do the adventure route, which they do well. They could make small improvements to make them unstoppable
@@BowmanOverland doesn’t the latest sti cost nearly $50k or something absurd? Tough sell even before gr Corolla!
@@jonasbaine3538 I got for 40k tho, last year May no mark up and with 1k off
I've been saying for years a Turbo'd crosstrek would be essentially the first stock wannabe rally car and I think it would fly off the lot... I love my lil 2013 crosstrek but it's painfully slow. I don't even need STI or even WRX level speed just get me a stick and a bit over 200hp and I'm happy AF and I think a ton of others would be too
Seeing the body roll sway bars would be my first upgrade for the track
16 year old boys all the way up to 23 year old boys are begging their parents to buy this for them. Toyota nailed it for building a car for this specific teen-early adult demographic. But as someone who’s worked in the schools as a shop teacher, teens also crave V8 muscle. Watching their eyes light up when they hear a V8 fire up is priceless.
I’m in my 40s I might buy this as my daily
@@apt62 I'm 72, not old compared to a Redwood. Looking at the GR to replace my aging WRX hatch.
Late 40's close to 50 and drives an EVO X //MR 2014 and the CIVIC //TR 2021
About a few months ago, I saw this one old white dude probably around 70's driving a clean 1980's Datsun, I can tell the guy was having fun shifting and enjoying his car! I wanna be one of the oldest guy driving the so-called Boy Racer Car! Yup, age don't matter when you know what cars are badass! 👊
@@lbcitylacounty4982 you’re so right. I taught mechanics to group of high school kids about 15 years ago. When we first fired up a donated 454 after weeks of work the smile on their faces was priceless. Like you said they know about bad ass cars because of the excitement about pure muscle and racing.
Detailed review 👍
I really like this car but getting this car would be a nightmare with all the dealer markups.. I am hoping Subaru would resurrect the STI to make this segment competitive .
I dont think so. I live in dallas and I know 3 dealers so far who are selling all of their line up at MSRP. Unlike Nissan lol
@@goodboi1232 Which dealers in dallas is selling this GR for msrp?
I confirmed with local dealership that the GR Circuit will have $25k market adjustment over MSRP.
@@CTF33 What a joke. 60k for a corolla. The market adjustment is worth more than my car is worth when I bought it brand new!
@@jamfoxs With taxes the GR Circuit edition will be over $70k.
Ryan, This is the consolation prize for markets unfit, undeserving and unworthy of the GR Yaris. Still, it is one of the shiniest silver medals ever issued. It may not be the 'Apex' 0:52 of Corollas but it is certainly the pinnacle. 😉
Let’s wait to see a comparison coz something tells me the Yaris just became the shiny silver, despite being lighter.
@@carloscanizares4699 what exactly do you mean?
@@yaboiyosef7640 personally, the Corolla is a better package than the Yaris, despite being heavier. If they fixed the GR4 overheating issues, the Yaris is the consolation prize for the ROW markets.
I'm so excited! I want one so bad! Sadly, the dealerships pricing on this will suck...
Got one for MSRP last week.
@@FayeBelogus Nice. Congrats! Only took a year later for some dealers to realize they ain't selling this for over MSRP.
I can’t wait to see the TH-cam videos that compare the Toyota GR Corolla, Honda Civic Type R, old Subaru WRX STi, Hyundai Elantra N, and Mazda3 Turbo AWD Hatch both as family cars and fun back road weekend cars
Check out Throttle House...their review compares the Circuit Edition to a Golf R and a WRX.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Lol I posted this comment right as the embargo broke because Driving Sports TV was hours ahead of every other channel to share the GR Corolla.
@@SilverScarletSpider Totally, lots of GR content all over TH-cam now. Good times!
Thank god for this video I’ve been trying to get rid of my chlamydia for months!!! 😂
This car is going to be better than an Sti on the track. Toyota really gave the fans what they wanted. Hopefully the following years they will increase the number of units produced.
Toyota plans to increase units so hoorayyy!!
@@beefen7921 I'd wait for the 2024 or 25 model year and hold off til 2030 to buy it
Looks like finding one of these things will be similar to finding a unicorn.
I love that you review such a wide range of vehicles! Where else can I see reviews on Hot Hatches, Pickups, and SUVs?! Thanks.
LOL I would have liked to have seen you race Tommy/Roman from TFL, but it almost looks like you drove the same car they had. Nonetheless, your take on this was great. I wish they had this back in the mid to late 80's. I liked my Accord Hatchback a lot, but this would have def. taken things to the next level.
Lol, that would have been fun. They were on the wave prior to ours. Toyota did only have two Circuit samples, so it probably was the same one.
Thanks for the review Ryan. Any turbo lag?
There’s a bit but as long as you’re over 4000RPM the power feels basically immediate.
Ryan wearing that sick Initial D shirt. He knows what he's doing.
The more I see about this car the more I'm glad I got a 22 Veloster N DCT before they stopped making them, for MSRP BTW.
Yeah it’s not the same as an sti, but it’s a hatch so it’s pretty close. The next sti won’t be gas powered as we heard so this is pretty nice
Can you do a offload test on mercedes benz E220 All Terrain?
Good luck getting one these, every dealer is marking them up by $15-$25k above msrp and if you weren’t lucky enough to be the first 2-3 people on the list you’re looking at a 2 year wait for a 2023 car.
The STI died because Subaru can't get that kind of performance out of a boxer/AWD combo while meeting fuel mileage and emission requirements. If there ever is a new STI (probably a hybrid hothatch) you'll likely be able to get one custom built in 2-4 months instead of waiting 2-4 years for something that might match what you're looking for. Good luck getting Toyota to allow you to buy one of these, especially anywhere near MSRP.
Definitely, best of the group !
People drives sporty cars still prefer this one over Supra ..
I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’ll be a hit with teenage boys. 20 and up will always prefer the Supra.
Both comments have big assumptions.
@@ALMX5DP Right, $45K for teenage boys.
@@TinLeadHammer I think you meant to reply to the other comment.
For my heart, review a razvani tank car's this time pleaes 😌
I see in few weeks or months the 500hp bolt on Corolla's in USA...this 3 Cylinder Engine is incredible
Ryan, STi-killers are in the boardrooms/upper management of Toyota and Subaru...however, this GR Corolla is a STi beater...
Love that it looks like a rally car.
I just wish the back window wasn’t so slanted down.The trunk would have much more space if it was more like the golf.
Ouch that price tag with that 0-60
16:49 that smile
When the current WRX came out. I told my wife I wanted to buy it but after watching several videos it really put me down. Pathetic output (torque and horsepower) . This GR Corolla is an instant winner. No longer do I have faith in Subaru product. People asked me what about reliability? This Corolla would not be less reliable than any Subaru. With a specific output (power and torque per liter of displacement) and torque higher than the Porsche Turbo S, it puts many "exotic' euros to shame.
When you were sitting in the backseat, was the driver seat adjusted to be where it would be if you were the driver?
Yes, it was in the driver position.
Performance wise, would You say that it is similar to a 2022 WRX?
The Circuit edition certainly is. But the feel of the small 3-banger versus the Subarus boxer is very different.
That price is outrageous. for that price I brought a low mileage boxsters S
why do interior designers always put the cupholders right where my arm goes when shifting?
My only complaint is dealer markups. If you know of any dealers that will be msrp please leave a comment
Depends on where you live. Around me in SF bay area there are 2 dealers that do MSRP, with 8 that don't. Problem is wait lists were 30+ a day after it was announced months ago. I've been #1 for a new camry hybrid for the last 3 months. Stock is not there.
Of the 5 people I know that bought cars like this (Honda Civic Type R to be specific), not a single one uses it on a track. I am extremely grateful that car companies still make exciting vehicles, but let's not pretend that anyone who makes enough money to buy one has the 16 year old brain of someone who would use it as intended.
Im taking mine to the hpde toyota offers. 😊
I want a core edition with performance package and the "winter" pack. Time will tell if I'll ever be able to get one...
High mark up nice reveiw
I've had a WRX in my driveway since '02. Looking to replace my aging hatch with the STI. The new WRX looks like Subaru found a discount coupon for plastic cladding. After keeping my '02 for 17 years I bought it's '05 twin to tide me over for the new model. Oh well, GR is looking like a viable replacement
The updated WRX is not a slouchy car though. It's very competent and most reviews agree that it's an improvement on the platform. Having driven one, I have to say that I enjoyed it a lot. Initially the design didn't thrill me either but it grew on me a lot after seeing it in person. Plus you can make it look a lot more aggressive with some simple additions like a rear spoiler.
I also understand why Subaru did it. They're trying to tie their model lines closer together with the cladding and (at least this is what I think) make it feel more like the rally-capable WRX models of the past before they go electric.
The new WRX is the best looking one since the GM8, imo. Looking forward to seeing what they look like with a 2" lift and some A/T tires on gold rims like a proper Subie.
@@jasonmoyer Agreed!
The plastic has its purpose less drag , that desing cannot be duplicated in metal.
@@luisrios432 I'm very sure that's just marketing though. I'd like to see a source outside of Subaru provide numbers on the drag reduction
Did this Kill the STI? Nope.
Ya' can't kill something that's already dead.
I've been bugging two local Toyota dealerships for the last couple months to let me pre-order order one, to no avail (maybe because I've said that I won't pay over MSRP. Hmmm ;).
Love the review, though!
Yeah, and this already over priced
Yep, it's a sti killer with that msrp. Super high
Awesome car and I’m glad Toyota is releasing the GR lime, but the engine sounds way overworked and I don’t see it lasting as long due to the turbo and relatively new 3 cylinder engine
Type R seems to have better engine it’s 4 cylinder and not boosted to such high pressure.
I did some research and Australia been tuning the yaris with the same engine reliability up to 500bhp before seeing any symptoms.
Honda has been ruling 4 cylinder for a long long time! Same with 4g63!
I’m and evo and sti guy I’ve had 2 evos and I have an sti now the only way I would get this car and I do like it would be a straight up trade for my limited 17 sti wingless with 43k miles for a new gr Corolla cause I know they r going to make this gr 50 to 60 mark up
whew ! they should have used paddle shifters than golden stick shifter
I want it, ordered one, but will have a very hard time selling my STI...
Between Toyota giving us the STI like hot hatch that everyone's clamored for for years and Subaru dropping the ball on the new WRX (and killing the STI), I've lost faith in Subaru when it comes to performance. I loved my STI when I had it but I'm greatly considering the GR.
Subaru makes the Toyora GR86.
For me, they missed the mark. On calling this, The new Celica AllTrac Turbo. Man, I miss my ST-185.
Toyota just made the game interesting. Finally, AWDs hot hatches are back, baby. VW ain't alone in North America anymore.
Toyota wins. But what I don't get, instead of building hardly any with MASSIVE dealer markups...
Why doesn't Toyota build a bunch of these to be meet the demand?
Glad I was able to put my deposit down to secure the Circuit edition. 2023 can’t come fast enough!
Better hope there any managers that want one😬 that’s why I’m not waiting for the ce
Toyota Performance and Racing heritage is back. Also there were many performance Corollas before the Apex model
Nobody remembers the 05-06 Corolla XRS with the Lotus Elise engine
@@djsnoopmike I remember it and that’s actually the last performance Corolla we got in America
easy 20k dealer markup esp in this crazy market
I m pretty happy with my loaded (sport-tech) 2019 STI, now with an extra 60ph thanks to cobb and an adjustable coilover set, thanks to Cygnus performance, and no of the modern distractions like lane assist, adapt cruise ctrl. Looks nine though with a hatch.
its good but how much can you mod the engine small as it is before ..It Blows!!!
What a cool car! Great job Toyota.
Let's hope the entire underneath doesn't rust away like my new Matrix did. 💀💀💀💀
Seems like this is marketed towards those who are looking for a WRX upgrade/STi replacement and not those who already have an STi. I'm curious to know if those who already own an STi would trade their cars in for the GR Corolla?
I traded my 19 STI for a GT3 lol but I'm gonna trade my Type R for one of these assuming I get an allocation. I'm #5 on the list at my dealer
I just reached out to a local Toyota dealer to see about when and if I can order this. If they can get it and not charge markup, I’ll trade my 2021 STI in for it..
@@OfficalDogeTactical I put a deposit on one earlier this year on the day they revealed it. I'm #9 on the list with no updates. It might take you a while..
@@mg-by7uu where did you get an allocation for a GT3 from?
I’m on an allocation list for the 2023 Supra manual. I’d like it in the blue but maybe willing to get it in any color except yellow.
A Corolla model with look and performance, the WRX has to watch out
Don't forget about the Dealership Markup.
How much did they save on the car by removing one cylinder and cutting the back? Maybe a couple of grands? This car could have been a lot better and a lot more useful and practical if they had kept the 4 cylinders and made it a little longer and boxier in the back.
I have realized why it has only 3 cylinders and a short body - because it is based on the Yaris, not the Corolla. And this GR Corolla is actually a re-badged GR Yaris.
I doubt it. Good luck for trying to get this car.
What do you guys think the resale value for the circuit edition will be in 5 years? Do you think it will be over $70,000
Nope maybe 25-35k….. they will make them for couple years so they aren’t really limited….
@@liudxdx I hear you bro. I'll get back to you in 5 years 😅🤝
The Circuit Edition is the heaviest trim. The Morizo Edition is Lighter than the Core Model by only 76 lbs...
I feel like in this economy they should start direct from manufacturer pricing. Skip the dealer all together. It's a crime that they can mark up vehicles so much higher than msrp.
i want this car bro.
44k USD for that?? lol.... I'll wait for the electric STI.
My STI still running and when the engine goes I’ll just slap in a new one. I’ll never get rid of this car.
Apparently you can't get a GR Corolla unless you are on a list, and you will still pay an ungodly sum for it, and they are producing in very limited supply, so WRX would be something you could actually purchase, so doesn't make sense to discontinue it?
Performance versions of models are getting more and more unprofitable for car manufacturers. We're going to see a lot more of them being discontinued in the future.
Definitely better than the Subaru STi. Not a bad compliment coming from a Subaru enthusiast.
Prices will be super high what with the normal dealer gouging.
Toyota is always under performing, but simply seeing how the wheels are positioned so closely to the corners of the vehicle, Toyota fans can hold out hope.
This will still be on the road in 15 years while everything else will be in a garage or scrap yard.
What? The RAV4 Prime does 0-60 in 5 seconds and has 600 miles of range.
It doesn't have a physical key?
I feel personally attacked everytime you rub it in that you're legs-torso-proportionate.
The STi was plagued with problems and nobody wanted to deal with that anymore. It's really bad when my dealership doesn't want to take a trade in because it has a cobb accessport and they say it's because the car might blow up.
Take care of it. If mod get pro tune. Dont lug the engine boost at low rpm. No reliability issue. Ej257 also in Japanese sti A-line mode, get lots of positive feedback.
@@yizhouwang7904 Protune doesn't eliminate the ring land failure. A reliable engine doesn't need as much babying to run good like an Ej257 motor. Subaru motors blow up in stock form. Also the A-Line is no where near as comparable to a GR Corolla.
@@hellfire72 nah, gr corolla over priced af+markup later on. Lastly and most importantly, if you wanna your performance car last, you have to taking care of it and baby it. Baby it doesn’t mean you don’t drive it hard and having fun with it tho. Why Subaru engine blown at stock form? People don’t know how to drive ej. Building boost at low rpm lug the hell out of it. Increasing the internal temp and launch it hard often. Stock is nothing wrong. If you mod it cooling and protune is the most important thing. Ej is been out for almost half century, reliability mods plan all over . 257 is good, jdm 207 is unbeatable.
@@yizhouwang7904 You also forget the people doing shitty high G donuts to those cars in stock form. pretty painful to watch.
Any car with drivetrain performance mods will be looked at like that, it happened back in the 80's and 90's with modded 5.0's and camaros.
the gr corolla in my opinion is like the perfect rally and circuit car. Does both excellently
No, the car will not survive a to the 1st checkpoint of the rally stage or 5 laps on a standard road circuit like Watkins Glen, Road America, Willow springs or Laguna Seca. The issue is cooling the rear clutch pack an oil cooling
For the extra 8-10k ill save on a WRX. I’ll stick with my WRX and blow the doors off this with performance and handling upgrades.
Front facia has Mitsu EVO blueprint
"set my internal temperature"
As opposed to what?
"It's a little chilly today, can you set my external temperature to 85"?
if you could get one for msrp, they'd be worth it. Since Toyota isn't doing anything to curb the "market adjustments" from the dealers this is going to be a short lived car because the target market can't afford it.
I'm a fan of hatchbacks and love that the American version of the yris is here. Too bad I have to wait maybe a year for a used on since at my age it's hard to afford one of these even at msrp price.
I wonder what is the point of making a high pressure 300hp 1.6L instead of 2L, 2.4L, 2.5L like others?? Only thing i see is weight.
I’m gonna rush out and trade my 21 Sti for this! 😂🤦🏼♂️
I purchased my Focus RS with 5k miles for $32k second hand, has more horse power and torque and personally I think it looks better than the GR, sadly its not available anymore but I sure am glad that there is still a turbo awd manual hatch to be offered in the US. The GR would be a nice garage buddy to my RS though and my other two subarus.. haha.
How about you get an affordable gas sipping Civic in your garage instead as it's widely available and not 'limited'.
What about the Fiesta ST?
@@Flying-Fox-of-Snowy-Mountain Why would I choose to drive such a boring FWD car? That is not a great idea to me.
@@jerryp2433 I prefer AWD/4WD to FWD, fiestas as fun as they might be are not for me.
@@YallowBarfiaMazda3 Turbo then?
Prix bro?
So the engine is half the displacement of the STi? Thus the little 3 is working twice as hard to get that output. And let’s not forget the importance of the H4’s low center of gravity and the symmetrical layout, vs. transverse layout.
Throttlehouse tested the GR Corolla on their track and it kills the STI time. BOXER engines dont automatically mean better at handling. Its a whole package
@@beexiong2995 While both are from the factory, this little 3 cylinder is working VERY hard to get that output. Push the STi engine just as hard and you’re going to get well over 500 hp. So it’s not apples-to-apples.
@@DukeTrout except subie engines aren't gonna hold up to that kind or power. When toyota builds performance engines they overbuilt the engine to handle lots of power i.e. the 2JZ. Go do some research on the G16 and you will find toyota did the same thing. 3 cylinders yes, engine overbuilt to handle and produce more power.
@@beexiong2995 That’s a clueless post. I have a Subie engine that’s gone 15 years and over 200k miles with up to 450 hp. And that’s a daily driver. With proper build and maintenance it’s entirely feasible.
Imagine if it had a 2l 4 banger in it....
Looks like a Toyota Yaris with Lexus is front bumper- but packs a punch lol
Dang 43k I'll wait 5 yrs so price drope
STI killer?? Subaru did that already, themselves!
Hp per cylinder is on par with the Bugatti Chiron and how often does one see one of those on the street unless you live in Monaco or Dubai and that’s this vehicle with its limited production and therefore high price most of us can’t get this so while the hype is great it might as well be a $3.8 million Chiron
don't forget the Mercedes AMG A45s hatch ( 2.0 l 4cyl turbo making 415hp and 369ft lbs tq - and hit the long coveted 200hp per ltr mark with 207.5)
would buy if it came in automatic
Would prefer corolla be 2.0 turbo