The Socratic method isn't a builder of critical thinking as problem posing education is. I'm getting sick of hearing morons speak of things they know very little about.
@@kwahujakquai6726 The Problem-Posing Approach and the Socratic Method each emphasize critical thinking and dialogue, but they differ in their underlying philosophy, approach to teaching, and how students engage with knowledge. Some students respond better to the Socratic method's *_question-driven, individual dialogue_* emphasis which is focused on *_logical argumentation._* Others respond better to the Problem Posing method's *_issue-driven, collaborative_* emphasis which is focused on *_collective action and critical reflection._* Personally, I respond better to the *_intellectual refinement_* focus on the Socratic method instead of the *_social change and personal empowerment_* focus of the Problem Posing method. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. _Edit: formatting_
Not to be that guy, but the person most likely to benefit from DEI: 1. supported DEI the most 2. demonstrated the poorest reasoning 3. made the worst arguments 4. was the least agreeable 5. was the most positively received by the other participants 6. exhibited dichotomous thinking
And also believed in blank slatism. Arguing everybody is born the same and any differences stem from upbringing / enviroment, rather than a genetic/ biological component is arguing anyone could've been an Einstein or Hawking if only they were raised in the right circumstances...
@@rey_nemaattori I thought about putting that on the list, but last time I did, my comment was silenced. Plus, it's really a foundational assumption of DEI, which was already on the list.
Some people scream "BELIEVE THE SCIENCE" but ignore evolutionary science just as soon as it disproves the Old Testament (and Quran). They have no use for it thereafter.
Did she say that working construction means you're poor? Tell me you're being scammed by a university, without telling me you're being scammed by a university.
@@LuckkyCanuck right? Construction pays way better than Adjunct professor ever will, which, if she chooses to continue with her masters in racial studies courses, is what she will end up being. Only someone who has never met a construction contractor would ever say that construction work means you’re poor.
The response from the girl in the skirt was most lucid by far of the responses heard in this video. She seemed to intuitively recognize DEI's inherent soft bigotry of low expectations. Reaching that conclusion takes careful reasoning, I think. Good for her..
I'd say that if she identified so strongly with "Mexican" culture ( not American) and thinks that the US academy , (which isn't Mexican it's American), ought to accommodate her wanting to be around "her" culture, why doesn't she just attend a college in Mexico? She makes zero sense to me.
I thought she was OK. Very well spoken for sure if not informed enough. Why the hell do people assume that all members of any group are some kind of street beggar 😂 😂 it's so racist
Well this just misses the point. The point is that _different races_ have disparity in merit. Unless you are saying that different races inherently have more merit than others...
@@jeffcapes No, because merit is attained, not inherent based on race. Minorities may fair worse in merit-based situations (due to various factors such as socioeconomic differences); that is different to saying minorities are _inherently_ worse in merit-based situations. The question is what did you mean by "Disparity is inherent to merit"? Did you mean "Racial disparities are inherent to merit"?
I have no faith that Trump will do anything. Of all the things he ran on, education reform was #1. His pick just shows me he doesn't care about the issues of education. It seems more of a loyalty test and not a qualifying test. Peter would've been a great pick. It's looking more like a circus than serious people straightening out the problems of the country. WTF?
People would like to just be told the truth. But here is the problem: on most interesting subjects, the "smarter" people, the experts, disagree about what the truth is. And the point of the exercise in the video is twofold: 1) it is to discover the truth through reason, and 2) it is to teach people HOW to think rationally. This requires effort. People would rather not think. It takes effort. They would rather just be told the truth. But the result of that desire is to be subjected to a dictatorship of the elite. We can not evade the RESPONSIBILITY of thinking for ourselves, no matter how difficult or uncomfortable that thinking is for us.
I'll give special props to the lonesome girl because even though the tides are changing, her position is still fairly controversial in the academic sphere nowadays, you know what I mean? Nevertheless, they all did very well! I like that the guy in the red caught that the other student seemed to have changed the topic from disparities to discrimination in debating, I feel like a lot of people tend to drift off topics in heated things like this to topics that favor them a little more in argumentation, and I just thought it was cool someone finally called attention to it happening.
Racial disparities, understood as merely differences, are required for actual diversity and are a natural consequence of freedom and the fact that people are not homogenous.
Disparities are a manifestation of differences within a free environment. Just as there are differences between individuals, there can (and very often will) be differences between groups. If differences did not exist between individuals, then evolution would not be possible. The only way to eliminate disparities is by restricting freedom.
There are plenty of "disparities" to go around in any culture. For example, one of the wealthiest people on the planet not too very long ago was Mexican, Carlos Slim Helu.
Even with restricted freedom, disparity still exists. For example, peoples experience of prison and how they react to it tends to differ quite a lot. Disparity is built in to the system, and this idea that we would somehow be better off being a homogenous blob is absurd. If you want to know what happens with homogenization, just take a look at bananas. If "Diversity is our strength", then disparity is inevitable, otherwise you aren't diverse.
@@Puzzlesocks I was referring to disparities in outcome. Theoretically, a strictly controlled society with no freedom whatsoever could force equal outcomes; however, in reality it would self-destruct long before reaching that point.
@@gabeo9474 Theoretically how? Because people can vaguely imagine it without the context of the rest of life beating them into the dirt? Calling Equity a theory is being very generous and using flowery language in my opinion. You may as well call Dragons and Leprechauns theories too. My point was more that even if it were possible, which we seem to agree it isn't, it isn't something that would be desirable.
One thing that really stands out here is the deference the two white male students felt obliged to show towards the female Mexican student, most pathetically by the tall kid with the glasses, saying "Miss Reyes convinced me 😀!" and repeatedly looking back at her for some gesture of approval, which he was never going to get. People don't respect ass kissers. She on the other hand felt no need to be even remotely conciliatory.
Disparity is natural to our species. There is no way to make it go away. No one wants "systematic disparity," but it will always be, to some degree, innate in the societies we create. We won't escape being human.
This is one of the huge problems with the Classical Liberal model. We can't divorce ourselves from our family or broader culture in our racial homeland. Classical Liberalism would ideally like to see all races produce the same cultural response to all situations. South Americans and Black and European Americans bring diversity to society that enriches it through different perspectives and outlooks.
Yes this is one of the biggest misconceptions of the left, the idea that everyone has equal capabilities and everything is nurture (vs. nature). No one in their right mind would claim that is true for physical capabilities like sports. Why would anyone believe it's true of mental capabilities? And if we have different capabilities, there by definition a system run on merit means some will do better than others (i.e., there will be disparities of outcome).
@@sebastiansirvas1530 Therein lies the root of the ideological problem, people rejecting reality and substituting their own (reality). I believe that this is the moral of the biblical story.
@mwfmtnman yes I think street epistemology works best when it's one to one ala Anthony magnabosco. Doing the spectrum version in front of an audience was definitely starting to take on debate club vibes, people involved weren't really questioning themselves, just performing for their peers
The last question: the problem with DEI for universities is that you’re assuming that going to university is a good thing for everyone. Some people need to go to university to get a degree to work (doctor, lawyer, etc.). However, some people can learn the skills they need other ways. Stop looking at university as something that makes everyone’s lives better; it’s just a “tool” to get people to their end goal if their chosen field needs a diploma.
They all say they're against discrimination. Yet DEI programs for universities are by their very nature discriminatory. If you favour black applicants then you are discriminating against anyone that's not black (e.g. white/Asian)
In a purely meritocratic society there will still be disparities. That's 100% correct! But that's not a bug in the system, is a feature, and a good one at that. Because people have different levels of ingenuity, motivation, creativity and so on, and when society rewards merit only, of course there are gonna be different outcomes. The goal of a good society should not be replacing individual drive to get similar results from everyone, because that kills the incentive for the individual to outperform. Instead the goal should be to just provide a baseline, a point "a" from where people can pursue points "b" to "z" and fail or suceed on their own accord. When you try to make policy like "People in point 'a' are disparaged and people in point 'z' are privileged, then we will force everyone to meet at point 'h'", that's when you kill your society. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
At least the way I see it, life itself is a meritocracy at the base layer, regardless of what games humans play on top of it. Disparity is built into existence itself.
It's very intetesting how the person who is trying to virtue signal the most is also the most closely aligned to "race realism" if it were...literally any other context. The disconnect is astonishing.
What exactly is the problem with race realism? Are there not some inherent differences between people of different heritages? I understand the fear of people using that fact in places where we don't have evidence, but the influence of genetics is undeniable at this point. No need to demonize the whole thing because you're afraid of the ignorant leveraging it as propaganda.
@Puzzlesocks Because the logical conclusion is that their race will always to some extent make them inferior/superior in contrast to others - it makes everything into an argument of who has been slighted more as opposed to simply who is more competent/qualified/etc. That is the ultimate pitfalls of these ideologies, they all eventially implode due to a perpetual arms race of thought, purity spirality over whoever truly is the "most downtrodden". It's poisonous to humanity in general, nothing will change if we have to constantly make reference to the past.
@Blurredborderlines I think you and that other dude are operating on different notions of "race realism." He uses it as "there are natural differences between races and human biodiversity is a realoty" while you are using it as "an ideology that evaluates different races as superior or inferior on biological and historical terms." Those two are not the same.
@@sebastiansirvas1530 I would say almost. I think the ideology has a potentially valid hypothesis, but requires actual evidence and does/should not lead to laws promoting discrimination. The opposition usually claims that these differences are all cultural/social influenced, but epigenetics is also verified. The issue comes that the argument against basically hinges on "we're afraid of what the results say", which is why they demonize anyone even attempting to gather data on this. All I can say is we know for certain there is some (sickle cell anemia for instance), but we don't know how much, largely because of activists against it.
I think most of them demonstrated they are thinking individuals. At least they're arguing with ideas instead of dogma. Wisdom comes with experience. It'd be interesting to see where they're at in ten years.
@@nicklivewireIt won't really matter that much in another decade if things start self correcting but if they won't then conversations like this won't be happening in another decade.
This. I understand it's in a quick thinking public forum(which for the modern generation often means anxiety attack) but their answers are jumbled and miss the point entirely. Troubling...
Funny how no one has absolutely no problem with meritocracy in sports. Not only is it tolerated in sports, it is expected, demanded, and even celebrated. I am not on one side or the other, I am just pointing it out.
I once saw an on campus interview where they asked students if successful citizens should pay to eliminate the students' student loan debts. They all enthusiastically agreed. Immediately afterwards the interviewer asked if they would donate some of their grade points to other students who had low grades to boost them up. They all disagreed saying "we worked hard to earn our grades". *Everyone is conservative-minded when it comes to the allocation of **_their own_** resources.* *When talking about allocating **_others' resources,_** that's when things get muddy.*
No, they want meritocracy only within defined classifications For sports, sex is a socially-accepted classification The would similarly want meritocracy within a race or sex for other areas
In a pure meritocratic society, people would not have a racial bias that would lead to racial disparity, as by definition, a racial bias is not merit based and thus it wouldn't be a _pure meritocratic_ society. Any disparities that show up, are simply the result of incompetence / lack of merit.
As an intellectual you should know that ideologies never die quietly, but only through force, war and force, and the current form (dei-woke-trans ideology) is no exception. Trump's victory presses the pause button, not the stop.
Whoa this is a tough exercice! I remember we used to do that for "investigative" practice purposes at university and I really struggled to debate against my natural inclination on different topics. But I also remember that it helped me grow. Since then I have applied this process we used and to this day it still helps me to remain "moderate" if I can use that word in this context. I love that stuff but the translation process in French is demanding because some nuances might change the fundamentals of the questions.. So I hope I'm on the right track with this. Peace.
I actually agree with the steel man. There are tribes in Africa that wish to be left alone, native Americans are also a prime example as well as the Amish. Really insightful argument.
Europeans arent allowed to retain their culture in their own idigenous lands, while Aborigines, Maori & Native Americans should have a say over their native lands... All non-whites are 'people of color', as if every non-white has exactly the same interests, thoughts or issues, regardless if they from India, Middle-east or Latin america....
Why did he stand on the strongly agree to start? It is as if these kids have been conditioned to think equality is an unmitigated good…or at least if they say otherwise they will face social ostracism
He missed that different cultural beliefs and habits have a drastic effect on life outcomes. Not all cultures are equal, especially when it comes to developing successful habits in the modern world. What I’m saying is culture is a huge driver of disparities, which is ok.
@@scott2452 I would say like most Americans we view disparity through an American lense. It's not wrong but it's not right either. We equate disparity mostly through income. There are places in the world where money doesn't matter as much.
It's interesting that you didn't say racial in that second one and yet they're all still throwing racial into it It's faulty logic because they aren't going with the original premise. There's more types of disparities than just race. Even if somehow in a purely meridocratic society there were no racial disparities there would still be disparities because there are people who will inevitably be better at doing a job than other people based on their merit and those people will be treated better.
I made a comment on a different video where I pointed out that the video showcased actual systemic _discrimination_ and every reply was about race but the discrimination was againt specific voters not their "race." We have been programmed to be racist, to think racially about every aspect of Life.
Humans aren't born with a blank slate. The fact that babies can be born with mental or physical handicaps that automatically put them below other people in potential (but not absolute) ability for the future means that there are those born either better or worse off than others. There are also children born to parents in poverty or with single parent households, or their mom engaged in a lot of drug use while they were pregnant which stunted the development of the baby. There are many factors which can affect the future potential of that child. O! As well as certain genetic tendencies towards things like addictions or anger management or impulse control.
@nebyenrub whoops my bad I forgot I made two comments on here, once again he didn't say the word racial nor is the existence of disparities itself a reason to not have a meridocratic society over some racist DEI BS alternative. It is simply a realistic factual answer to the third question in the video, which was roughly, "Would there still be disparities in a purely meritocratic society" - My answer is the above that yes obviously there would still be. I'm not building upon any other question simply answering the one that was asked which is what you're supposed to do in these street epistemology exercises. You're not supposed to suppose whatever the intent of the question is or any other added issues, just answer the question as it is asked, what you think the answer is. (Sorry if there's grammar errors. I'm using speech to text while driving and it's not the best)
@@panzer00 and outside of any continued, enforced cultural norms within (but not limited) different ethnic groups in america that might negatively impact them, there are no, and shouldn't ever again be, any inherent privileges based on skin color.
Personally, I was accepted at the University of Arizona due to Affirmation Action; I'm Hispanic. Was accepted with no SAT, ACT, transcripts and deficiencies. That advantage didn't help because my advisor kept me from taking general education classes. I was allowed to take classes within my dance major, dance, and keot me from taking advance classes; all courses allowed were easy and teachers would allow me to turn papers in my native language. All to keep my $25k to $30k scholarship every semester. Upon graduation, I didn't have sufficient credits to graduate, as many others did as well. That, sonehow, affected my professional and personal life. And to this day, I work my ass off to prove thise who didn't believe that they took confidence away from me. Glad Affirmative Action is no longer in colleges
It's been incredibly harmful to so many it was intended to help. Many bright AA placed students at the best schools(Harvard, Stanford, Yale) found themselves quickly overwhelmed because they were in a shark tank full of the absolute best who took no mercy, even looking down on them as charity cases. Most either under performed or dropped out, often going to a slightly lesser prestigious university and fitting in nicely. Meritocratic standards are the only solution, and have been violated long enough. Let's hope our incoming President will get us back on track...
@@sdrc92126 what I tell my students; a monkey can be acceoted. Because if I made it with no documentation, anyone can be accepted. They also have to meet their quota and I was one of theirs.
Has any of them actually worked out in the real world? Do they really think that a business owner only hires skin colors and not talent? Can any business even survive without having a sharp focus on skill and ability? Come on.
Is there any available estimate of how many $ are directly spent on DEI in the U.S.? Private and public sources. Embracing a costly ideology without evidence of societal benefit is insane and performative.
DEI: Division - Highlighting differences in ways that emphasize conflict or separation rather than unity or collaboration. Exclusion - Favoring certain groups while marginalizing others under the guise of inclusion. Inequity - Applying double standards or creating systems where fairness is compromised in pursuit of specific outcomes.
"Just because I'm Mexican doesn't mean all by uncles work in construction" is something that really only makes sense in the context of the USA. In a melting pot. It would be silly if it were said by a Mexican living in Mexico. If I meet a Mexican while they're in Europe, I have 0 association of them with "construction" instead I think "Jeez you guys have a complex history, incredible food, beautiful art." Instead in the UK the association between a nationality and construction might be Polish or Romanians. In Spain it might be Polish/Romanian/Venezuelan. But it wouldn't be a "race" it would be a "nationality", likely one of a nation that has most recently immigrated. In the US the two are so conflated that Americans seem to have forgotten that they are in fact all, like it or not, American.
I was sorry to see that no one pointed out that attempting to correct an injustice by instituting a new injustice is a terrible idea regardless of how racist or not racist people are towards any group, even if that group is materially impacted. There is a lot of open hatred towards men at the moment (Trump having just been re-elected). If, hypothetically, people are less likely to vote for, hire, or promote men and the reason is solely due to the sex of the men, would that mean that we should created a Department of Male Inclusion to artificially advantage men in various walks of life? It seems like it is easier for people to spot a terrible idea if it is in favor of men (especially white men). This is understandable to a certain extent given the cultural climate and the history of the country, but it is still disappointing to see so few simply swap the race and gender helped by DEI departments and see if doing so impacts its desirability.
Young woman on the right is also wrong about everyone being treated the same despite being admitted based on race. Entire schools exist solely to express the grievances of particular races, as if that is education. It is evident that students of various races are treated very differently in such schools, as indeed that's the entire point. Even if DEI is terminated (in name) it's going to continue.
Can you truly be divorced from your ancestors and their culture? Can there truly be a time when a black skinned Sudanese woman can consider themselves German? In his book The Republic, Plato concluded that high quality rulers could eradicate bad qualities in a culture. This is the premiss that Critical Social Justice philosophy assumes. But ... I don't think anyone can persist if they disown their family and their ancestors. Think Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" - the hero is a character who cherishes his whole humanity, include his people's great works of literature over the vapid banality of the world corporations banal idea of what a person is.
Mathematical representations only measures certain aspects of reality. It doesn't measure good and evil. Mathematical representations can only measure the CONSEQUENCES of good and evil.
Isn't the purpose of meritocracy to create disparity? Is there not a disparity between those who qual'd to be on stage, and those who did not? Was merit not the deciding factor? Individuals sometimes discriminate, and therefore, entire tribes of people should be discriminated against! Gimme a show of hands: Who's pissed about not being able to get in here? No one? See, I told you no one was upset about not being let in here...
Is this exercise where students move closer to one idea done all over the place? The reason why I ask is that I unfortunately, in 1979, had a pair of Marxist teachers in High school. Of course, no one knew that they were Marxists. The class was supposed to be Civics. After a couple of weeks, which amounted to about 4 classes, I stopped going. They did this type of thing, but the questions made me uncomfortable. When a note was sent home about my absence’s, I explained it all to my Dad. A day or two later, he informed me at dinner that I am no longer enrolled in the class, and I would choose another elective class. Some time later, the two teachers were escorted out of the school. My Dad explained to me that these teachers were Marxists. I was the only one in that class who had any issues with the things they were asking. That is the only time in my life that I ever saw this type of exercise, so I am curious about seeing this now.
Has any school tried doing admissions without name, sex, or race visible to the admissions team? Would that not make it so admission could only be according to merit?
DEI is awful. Obviously we must fully acknowledge and teach that discrimination did occur and was wrong. But, you don't resolve discrimination with even more discrimination! We must move forward together by trying our best to ensure that everyone has equality of opportunity and not try to force equality of outcome. As MLK said, we must not be judged by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character.
The only way that a culture exists in any sense is because of the disparities that it has with other cultures. Disparity just means differences, the moral undertones are projections, not part of the definition of "disparity".
While I agree that the level of argument here is generally weak, I think the real goal behind this type of exercise is to get young people to actually engage in discussions about topics rather than simply dismissing anyone who doesn't agree.
I think thought experiments, hypotheticals, and things like this are important. If you can't reason through a simplistic approximation of the real world then you certainly can't reason your way through the real world. It might be an intellectual shallow end but everyone has to learn somehow.
Hard to watch beyond the first minute…all strongly agree?? How about no racial disparities in the NBA? Would we see better basketball? How would we enforce it without authoritarian quota system? What about trying to encourage the flourishing of all individuals rather than being content with the same proportion of each racial group living in poverty?
The " Blank Slate " hypothesis... Having watched and edited hours and hours of Nature Documentaries it is obvious to me that all creatures are inherently copies of their parents. Brave or Shy traits maybe turned up or down, but the common theme is 99.9% of parental characteristics are passed on. Frogs, for example, get up to all sorts of breeding escapades, but it is in their nature as a species to accommodate for this.
Clear thinking on the part of all these kids. I've seen adults have muddled thought processes on these topics or at least how they verbalize their thoughts, but these kids know what's what. Even if I disagree with some of them, at least I know clearly where they stand. Good job!
@@sebastiansirvas1530 shows how much you know, fool. I can give you a history lesson, so you can come out of your little troll den. Rub your nose in the crap that is discharging out of that peanut you call a brain. Trust me boy. You don't want none.🤏🏼
@sebastiansirvas1530 please do enlighten me on why the Spartans and Lycurgus suck. You sound like you don't know what you are talking about. All the name means is wolfworker in Doric. Just a word of advice. You probably shouldn't shit in the wrong places. Your going to get schooled.
IQ test outcome is malleable dependent on diet, environment, support system, and education. It’s not the scientific brain measuring device people in the past believed it to be. The fact that the younger children in a large family tend to have measurably smaller IQ (not brain size, but test outcomes) and tend to be less financially successful tells us that support and resources put into a child will affect their overall cognitive development and result in higher outcomes.
IQ is not the only measure of intelligence, nor is it necessarily the main determinant of "outcome". measures like IQ, abused as some kind of "gold standard", without understanding what they actually are and what they imply, is a form of "blind credentialism". this is a social pathology. as we slowly overcome blind credentialism, we experience increased "good outcomes" over a broader range of demographics and academic education levels. anyone who wears their IQ on their sleeve is more likely to be narcissistic than they are intelligent.
I really wish he had gone more into the being born with a blank slate because there is so much more to that. Do you mean being born into a rich family or do you mean being born with DNA that allows you to have a higher IQ. Identical twins are probably the closest thing we have to 2 people being born with the same slate because they are being raised normally by the same family and have identical DNA. I don't know if they could ever have it done but I think it would be really cool if they could take 2 identical twins and have them raised by different families and see how different they would be to compare being raised vs just naturally being born a certain way. A cool study would be say you have 1000 people born on the same day and you randomly give them to different types of families to raise and track their IQ and beliefs over their life (yes I get noone is ever going to really do this unless we can create computer life in a realistic simulation one day). Even if you take away the family/ wealth aspect of it no 2 people born are blank slates because some just are naturally smarter so they could achievement more with less effort. I have a relative high IQ based on test when I was a kid and started college at 16 and have been pretty successful in life became a millionaire with no debt in my early 30s without being born into a rich family but I still consider myself a failure because I started at a much higher level than the average person. I honestly believe I could have done alot more in life if I wasn't so lazy and worked harder given I have done probably more than the average person does in 3 lifetimes (pilot planes, raced cars, been all over 48 states, driven across country on road trips multiple times, hundreds of hours of scuba diving, rock climbing, ski down cliff sides that require 30ft drops, been to 14 different countries and lived in some for up to 4 months at a time, and more).
They did that. This sort of study is completely unethical. The twins and triplets were more like each other than their adoptive families. However, they have studied adopted twins that were separated at birth who reunite later in life. As with the unethical separations, for the most important characters, the twins are more like each other than their adoptive families. Many character and behavioral traits are genetically influenced. Ethnic differences are caused by subgroups of people living under specific social and environmental differences who interbreed. Selective pressures result in a level of behavior being determined by people's genetics.
If everyone has INHERENT racial bias, maybe i should lean into it, if its inherent then i guess ill always be racist, and should try to be good at it since i cant learn anything difrent.
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All that girl in yellow here's is RACE. So, who is the racist? Also, funny how she moved to the strongly agree on how racial quotas are inherently racist. As if she would be there, but for those policies, odds are.
Quotas are acceptable.....if its close to the % of each group in the population. Thats the only logical and fair way to do it if they insist on some form of it wven though all that does is reduce the value and qualiyy of degrees. Ridiculous levelling of the field artificially
They are not acceptable and they are racist. Why should any activity reflect the % of each group in the population or even approach it? Why not let the chips fall where they may?
This type of debating needs to be part of the curriculum for every school.
We've forgotten the Socratic method.
The Socratic method isn't a builder of critical thinking as problem posing education is. I'm getting sick of hearing morons speak of things they know very little about.
@@kwahujakquai6726 The Problem-Posing Approach and the Socratic Method each emphasize critical thinking and dialogue, but they differ in their underlying philosophy, approach to teaching, and how students engage with knowledge.
Some students respond better to the Socratic method's *_question-driven, individual dialogue_* emphasis which is focused on *_logical argumentation._*
Others respond better to the Problem Posing method's *_issue-driven, collaborative_* emphasis which is focused on *_collective action and critical reflection._*
Personally, I respond better to the *_intellectual refinement_* focus on the Socratic method instead of the *_social change and personal empowerment_* focus of the Problem Posing method.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
_Edit: formatting_
@@kwahujakquai6726 So, am I a moron?
DEI must DIE
@@kwahujakquai6726 Can you make an argument as to why the Socratic method doesn't build critical thinking? So far you're just calling people morons.
Not to be that guy, but the person most likely to benefit from DEI:
1. supported DEI the most
2. demonstrated the poorest reasoning
3. made the worst arguments
4. was the least agreeable
5. was the most positively received by the other participants
6. exhibited dichotomous thinking
And also believed in blank slatism.
Arguing everybody is born the same and any differences stem from upbringing / enviroment, rather than a genetic/ biological component is arguing anyone could've been an Einstein or Hawking if only they were raised in the right circumstances...
She fell into every trap of his
@@rey_nemaattori I thought about putting that on the list, but last time I did, my comment was silenced. Plus, it's really a foundational assumption of DEI, which was already on the list.
Some people scream "BELIEVE THE SCIENCE" but ignore evolutionary science just as soon as it disproves the Old Testament (and Quran). They have no use for it thereafter.
See?
She clearly needs DEI 😆
Did she say that working construction means you're poor?
Tell me you're being scammed by a university, without telling me you're being scammed by a university.
@@LuckkyCanuck right? Construction pays way better than Adjunct professor ever will, which, if she chooses to continue with her masters in racial studies courses, is what she will end up being. Only someone who has never met a construction contractor would ever say that construction work means you’re poor.
In Canada, construction pays... Well...
Yes that would have been my first rebuttal to her statement. I know people that make anywhere from 100-350K/yr in construction
What does poor even mean?
She’s talking about day labourers.
The response from the girl in the skirt was most lucid by far of the responses heard in this video. She seemed to intuitively recognize DEI's inherent soft bigotry of low expectations. Reaching that conclusion takes careful reasoning, I think. Good for her..
And what is the soft bigotry if low expectation. What does that mean?
The Mexican girl was an embarrassment. She completely misunderstood his point and went off on some weird rant
typical
I'd say that if she identified so strongly with "Mexican" culture ( not American) and thinks that the US academy , (which isn't Mexican it's American), ought to accommodate her wanting to be around "her" culture, why doesn't she just attend a college in Mexico? She makes zero sense to me.
@@californiadreamer2580 again typical for these types.
I thought she was OK. Very well spoken for sure if not informed enough.
Why the hell do people assume that all members of any group are some kind of street beggar 😂
😂 it's so racist
This is typical by race haters.
the mousetraps in their heads are triggered by keywords leading to a waste of time for everybody involved
Disparity is inherent to merit
which is fine and ethical
@@-Skratch- right, I want a disparity in who gets to be a brain surgeon, only those extremely qualified to be one
Well this just misses the point. The point is that _different races_ have disparity in merit. Unless you are saying that different races inherently have more merit than others...
@@L-8 isn't that what you just said?
@@jeffcapes No, because merit is attained, not inherent based on race. Minorities may fair worse in merit-based situations (due to various factors such as socioeconomic differences); that is different to saying minorities are _inherently_ worse in merit-based situations. The question is what did you mean by "Disparity is inherent to merit"? Did you mean "Racial disparities are inherent to merit"?
Peter Boghossian for education minister
Trump already picked a professional wrestler for that role.
@@goodgrief888 shame
@@goodgrief888 a very trump move.
@@andx79 he’s not bringing the best people
I have no faith that Trump will do anything. Of all the things he ran on, education reform was #1. His pick just shows me he doesn't care about the issues of education. It seems more of a loyalty test and not a qualifying test. Peter would've been a great pick. It's looking more like a circus than serious people straightening out the problems of the country. WTF?
In all honesty I would rather hear from people much smarter than me and try to learn from opinions on both sides.
People would like to just be told the truth. But here is the problem: on most interesting subjects, the "smarter" people, the experts, disagree about what the truth is. And the point of the exercise in the video is twofold: 1) it is to discover the truth through reason, and 2) it is to teach people HOW to think rationally. This requires effort. People would rather not think. It takes effort. They would rather just be told the truth. But the result of that desire is to be subjected to a dictatorship of the elite. We can not evade the RESPONSIBILITY of thinking for ourselves, no matter how difficult or uncomfortable that thinking is for us.
I'll give special props to the lonesome girl because even though the tides are changing, her position is still fairly controversial in the academic sphere nowadays, you know what I mean?
Nevertheless, they all did very well! I like that the guy in the red caught that the other student seemed to have changed the topic from disparities to discrimination in debating, I feel like a lot of people tend to drift off topics in heated things like this to topics that favor them a little more in argumentation, and I just thought it was cool someone finally called attention to it happening.
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Racial disparities are a reality that can never be removed completely. Disparities are the norm.
Racial disparities, understood as merely differences, are required for actual diversity and are a natural consequence of freedom and the fact that people are not homogenous.
A notion like no racial disparity sounds nice until you think about what you'd have to do to get there.
Disparities are a manifestation of differences within a free environment. Just as there are differences between individuals, there can (and very often will) be differences between groups. If differences did not exist between individuals, then evolution would not be possible. The only way to eliminate disparities is by restricting freedom.
There are plenty of "disparities" to go around in any culture. For example, one of the wealthiest people on the planet not too very long ago was Mexican, Carlos Slim Helu.
Even with restricted freedom, disparity still exists. For example, peoples experience of prison and how they react to it tends to differ quite a lot. Disparity is built in to the system, and this idea that we would somehow be better off being a homogenous blob is absurd. If you want to know what happens with homogenization, just take a look at bananas. If "Diversity is our strength", then disparity is inevitable, otherwise you aren't diverse.
@@Puzzlesocks I was referring to disparities in outcome. Theoretically, a strictly controlled society with no freedom whatsoever could force equal outcomes; however, in reality it would self-destruct long before reaching that point.
@@gabeo9474 Theoretically how? Because people can vaguely imagine it without the context of the rest of life beating them into the dirt? Calling Equity a theory is being very generous and using flowery language in my opinion. You may as well call Dragons and Leprechauns theories too.
My point was more that even if it were possible, which we seem to agree it isn't, it isn't something that would be desirable.
Harrison Bergeron and the “Handicapper General”.
Don't forget IED. It was meant to blow things out of proportion.
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I'm stealing that one, bro
It's bewildering to me that it always comes down to feelings for some. I cant imagine That that should be the hill to die on.
Wow people with different issues actually debating issues and reasoning , how refreshing. We need more of this in our society
Different views ….debating issues
One thing that really stands out here is the deference the two white male students felt obliged to show towards the female Mexican student, most pathetically by the tall kid with the glasses, saying "Miss Reyes convinced me 😀!" and repeatedly looking back at her for some gesture of approval, which he was never going to get.
People don't respect ass kissers.
She on the other hand felt no need to be even remotely conciliatory.
Disparity is natural to our species. There is no way to make it go away.
No one wants "systematic disparity," but it will always be, to some degree, innate in the societies we create. We won't escape being human.
Something I have noticed with Left leaning individuals, they are constantly trying to fight and dismantle human nature. It's impossible.
This is one of the huge problems with the Classical Liberal model.
We can't divorce ourselves from our family or broader culture in our racial homeland.
Classical Liberalism would ideally like to see all races produce the same cultural response to all situations.
South Americans and Black and European Americans bring diversity to society that enriches it through different perspectives and outlooks.
"With the right education, anyone can be an Einstein" I saw someone argue this before
Yes this is one of the biggest misconceptions of the left, the idea that everyone has equal capabilities and everything is nurture (vs. nature). No one in their right mind would claim that is true for physical capabilities like sports. Why would anyone believe it's true of mental capabilities? And if we have different capabilities, there by definition a system run on merit means some will do better than others (i.e., there will be disparities of outcome).
That person was absolutely delusional then.
@@sebastiansirvas1530 Therein lies the root of the ideological problem, people rejecting reality and substituting their own (reality). I believe that this is the moral of the biblical story.
The self congratulatory applause are kinda gross.
@mwfmtnman yes I think street epistemology works best when it's one to one ala Anthony magnabosco. Doing the spectrum version in front of an audience was definitely starting to take on debate club vibes, people involved weren't really questioning themselves, just performing for their peers
The last question: the problem with DEI for universities is that you’re assuming that going to university is a good thing for everyone. Some people need to go to university to get a degree to work (doctor, lawyer, etc.). However, some people can learn the skills they need other ways. Stop looking at university as something that makes everyone’s lives better; it’s just a “tool” to get people to their end goal if their chosen field needs a diploma.
Hats off to the people in this video, I wish this was the standard for debates.
They all say they're against discrimination. Yet DEI programs for universities are by their very nature discriminatory. If you favour black applicants then you are discriminating against anyone that's not black (e.g. white/Asian)
Makes perfect sense to them,
Use racism to fix racism
Regardless of who is affected, as long as its not me
In a purely meritocratic society there will still be disparities. That's 100% correct! But that's not a bug in the system, is a feature, and a good one at that. Because people have different levels of ingenuity, motivation, creativity and so on, and when society rewards merit only, of course there are gonna be different outcomes. The goal of a good society should not be replacing individual drive to get similar results from everyone, because that kills the incentive for the individual to outperform. Instead the goal should be to just provide a baseline, a point "a" from where people can pursue points "b" to "z" and fail or suceed on their own accord. When you try to make policy like "People in point 'a' are disparaged and people in point 'z' are privileged, then we will force everyone to meet at point 'h'", that's when you kill your society. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Yes, otherwise education ends up reduced to the lowest common denominator, and it starts in elementary school.
At least the way I see it, life itself is a meritocracy at the base layer, regardless of what games humans play on top of it. Disparity is built into existence itself.
It's very intetesting how the person who is trying to virtue signal the most is also the most closely aligned to "race realism" if it were...literally any other context.
The disconnect is astonishing.
What exactly is the problem with race realism? Are there not some inherent differences between people of different heritages? I understand the fear of people using that fact in places where we don't have evidence, but the influence of genetics is undeniable at this point. No need to demonize the whole thing because you're afraid of the ignorant leveraging it as propaganda.
@Puzzlesocks Because the logical conclusion is that their race will always to some extent make them inferior/superior in contrast to others - it makes everything into an argument of who has been slighted more as opposed to simply who is more competent/qualified/etc.
That is the ultimate pitfalls of these ideologies, they all eventially implode due to a perpetual arms race of thought, purity spirality over whoever truly is the "most downtrodden". It's poisonous to humanity in general, nothing will change if we have to constantly make reference to the past.
@Blurredborderlines I think you and that other dude are operating on different notions of "race realism." He uses it as "there are natural differences between races and human biodiversity is a realoty" while you are using it as "an ideology that evaluates different races as superior or inferior on biological and historical terms." Those two are not the same.
@@sebastiansirvas1530 I would say almost. I think the ideology has a potentially valid hypothesis, but requires actual evidence and does/should not lead to laws promoting discrimination. The opposition usually claims that these differences are all cultural/social influenced, but epigenetics is also verified.
The issue comes that the argument against basically hinges on "we're afraid of what the results say", which is why they demonize anyone even attempting to gather data on this. All I can say is we know for certain there is some (sickle cell anemia for instance), but we don't know how much, largely because of activists against it.
DEI is race essentialism.
excruciating arguments from champion debaters, these kids are cooked
I think most of them demonstrated they are thinking individuals. At least they're arguing with ideas instead of dogma. Wisdom comes with experience. It'd be interesting to see where they're at in ten years.
@@nicklivewireIt won't really matter that much in another decade if things start self correcting but if they won't then conversations like this won't be happening in another decade.
They don't comprehend what's being asked by Peter. These kids are trained to react to certain words with certain phrases.
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This. I understand it's in a quick thinking public forum(which for the modern generation often means anxiety attack) but their answers are jumbled and miss the point entirely. Troubling...
Funny how no one has absolutely no problem with meritocracy in sports. Not only is it tolerated in sports, it is expected, demanded, and even celebrated. I am not on one side or the other, I am just pointing it out.
I once saw an on campus interview where they asked students if successful citizens should pay to eliminate the students' student loan debts. They all enthusiastically agreed.
Immediately afterwards the interviewer asked if they would donate some of their grade points to other students who had low grades to boost them up. They all disagreed saying "we worked hard to earn our grades".
*Everyone is conservative-minded when it comes to the allocation of **_their own_** resources.*
*When talking about allocating **_others' resources,_** that's when things get muddy.*
No, they want meritocracy only within defined classifications
For sports, sex is a socially-accepted classification
The would similarly want meritocracy within a race or sex for other areas
In a pure meritocratic society, people would not have a racial bias that would lead to racial disparity, as by definition, a racial bias is not merit based and thus it wouldn't be a _pure meritocratic_ society.
Any disparities that show up, are simply the result of incompetence / lack of merit.
now do the exact same set of questions with old age pensioners.. lets see the difference between 'intelligence' and 'wisdom'.
As an intellectual you should know that ideologies never die quietly, but only through force, war and force, and the current form (dei-woke-trans ideology) is no exception. Trump's victory presses the pause button, not the stop.
For the most part I am very impressed by these students.
Whoa this is a tough exercice! I remember we used to do that for "investigative" practice purposes at university and I really struggled to debate against my natural inclination on different topics. But I also remember that it helped me grow. Since then I have applied this process we used and to this day it still helps me to remain "moderate" if I can use that word in this context. I love that stuff but the translation process in French is demanding because some nuances might change the fundamentals of the questions.. So I hope I'm on the right track with this. Peace.
I actually agree with the steel man. There are tribes in Africa that wish to be left alone, native Americans are also a prime example as well as the Amish. Really insightful argument.
Europeans arent allowed to retain their culture in their own idigenous lands, while Aborigines, Maori & Native Americans should have a say over their native lands...
All non-whites are 'people of color', as if every non-white has exactly the same interests, thoughts or issues, regardless if they from India, Middle-east or Latin america....
Why did he stand on the strongly agree to start?
It is as if these kids have been conditioned to think equality is an unmitigated good…or at least if they say otherwise they will face social ostracism
He missed that different cultural beliefs and habits have a drastic effect on life outcomes. Not all cultures are equal, especially when it comes to developing successful habits in the modern world. What I’m saying is culture is a huge driver of disparities, which is ok.
@@scott2452 I would say like most Americans we view disparity through an American lense. It's not wrong but it's not right either. We equate disparity mostly through income. There are places in the world where money doesn't matter as much.
These exercises should be taught at every university, no matter the degree.
It's interesting that you didn't say racial in that second one and yet they're all still throwing racial into it
It's faulty logic because they aren't going with the original premise. There's more types of disparities than just race. Even if somehow in a purely meridocratic society there were no racial disparities there would still be disparities because there are people who will inevitably be better at doing a job than other people based on their merit and those people will be treated better.
I think that they have learned what they have been taught very well, but they have not yet actually thought about any of it for themselves yet.
I made a comment on a different video where I pointed out that the video showcased actual systemic _discrimination_ and every reply was about race but the discrimination was againt specific voters not their "race."
We have been programmed to be racist, to think racially about every aspect of Life.
Not if everyone is a blank slate
@sdrc92126 but we aren't blank slates, we are circumstances.
@@panzer00 This is the blank slate argument
It’s a fascinating little social experiment, I think a lot of people in the comments are focusing on what is being said and not what is happening.
of course they are. The argument matters.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
Oh it will!! Consider it on life support!
these kids are really crazy!!
We need to defund the Universities at this point. If this is what these kids have been taught so far, the system is truly lost.
I came from Mexico - therefore discriminate against Americans.
Humans aren't born with a blank slate. The fact that babies can be born with mental or physical handicaps that automatically put them below other people in potential (but not absolute) ability for the future means that there are those born either better or worse off than others. There are also children born to parents in poverty or with single parent households, or their mom engaged in a lot of drug use while they were pregnant which stunted the development of the baby. There are many factors which can affect the future potential of that child. O! As well as certain genetic tendencies towards things like addictions or anger management or impulse control.
Agreed, but that’s still not a reason to qualify people simply based on their skin color/genetics
@nebyenrub whoops my bad I forgot I made two comments on here, once again he didn't say the word racial nor is the existence of disparities itself a reason to not have a meridocratic society over some racist DEI BS alternative.
It is simply a realistic factual answer to the third question in the video, which was roughly, "Would there still be disparities in a purely meritocratic society" - My answer is the above that yes obviously there would still be. I'm not building upon any other question simply answering the one that was asked which is what you're supposed to do in these street epistemology exercises. You're not supposed to suppose whatever the intent of the question is or any other added issues, just answer the question as it is asked, what you think the answer is.
(Sorry if there's grammar errors. I'm using speech to text while driving and it's not the best)
There are varying degrees of privilege based on circumstances.
Mozart wrote his first opera around 12 years old
@@panzer00 and outside of any continued, enforced cultural norms within (but not limited) different ethnic groups in america that might negatively impact them, there are no, and shouldn't ever again be, any inherent privileges based on skin color.
its nice to see Reid on camera, I can now confirm he hasn't been replaced by an A.I.
Mexican and German are countries of origin, not ethnicities.
Wrong. So very wrong.
People who say we all have inherent racial bias are speaking for themselves.
Personally, I was accepted at the University of Arizona due to Affirmation Action; I'm Hispanic. Was accepted with no SAT, ACT, transcripts and deficiencies. That advantage didn't help because my advisor kept me from taking general education classes. I was allowed to take classes within my dance major, dance, and keot me from taking advance classes; all courses allowed were easy and teachers would allow me to turn papers in my native language. All to keep my $25k to $30k scholarship every semester. Upon graduation, I didn't have sufficient credits to graduate, as many others did as well. That, sonehow, affected my professional and personal life. And to this day, I work my ass off to prove thise who didn't believe that they took confidence away from me. Glad Affirmative Action is no longer in colleges
I thought the only requirement for UofA was a pulse
Sorry the system harmed you under the guise of being compassionate.
It's been incredibly harmful to so many it was intended to help. Many bright AA placed students at the best schools(Harvard, Stanford, Yale) found themselves quickly overwhelmed because they were in a shark tank full of the absolute best who took no mercy, even looking down on them as charity cases. Most either under performed or dropped out, often going to a slightly lesser prestigious university and fitting in nicely. Meritocratic standards are the only solution, and have been violated long enough. Let's hope our incoming President will get us back on track...
@@sdrc92126 what I tell my students; a monkey can be acceoted. Because if I made it with no documentation, anyone can be accepted. They also have to meet their quota and I was one of theirs.
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What are we to do about the lack of black field goal kickers?
Has any of them actually worked out in the real world? Do they really think that a business owner only hires skin colors and not talent? Can any business even survive without having a sharp focus on skill and ability? Come on.
The counter argument was the star.
Is there any available estimate of how many $ are directly spent on DEI in the U.S.? Private and public sources. Embracing a costly ideology without evidence of societal benefit is insane and performative.
The unsupported claim of an "ism" is the philosophical equivalent of a "Kleven" from The Office.
There is hope with kids like this
DEI:
Division - Highlighting differences in ways that emphasize conflict or separation rather than unity or collaboration.
Exclusion - Favoring certain groups while marginalizing others under the guise of inclusion.
Inequity - Applying double standards or creating systems where fairness is compromised in pursuit of specific outcomes.
"Just because I'm Mexican doesn't mean all by uncles work in construction" is something that really only makes sense in the context of the USA. In a melting pot. It would be silly if it were said by a Mexican living in Mexico. If I meet a Mexican while they're in Europe, I have 0 association of them with "construction" instead I think "Jeez you guys have a complex history, incredible food, beautiful art." Instead in the UK the association between a nationality and construction might be Polish or Romanians. In Spain it might be Polish/Romanian/Venezuelan. But it wouldn't be a "race" it would be a "nationality", likely one of a nation that has most recently immigrated. In the US the two are so conflated that Americans seem to have forgotten that they are in fact all, like it or not, American.
I was sorry to see that no one pointed out that attempting to correct an injustice by instituting a new injustice is a terrible idea regardless of how racist or not racist people are towards any group, even if that group is materially impacted.
There is a lot of open hatred towards men at the moment (Trump having just been re-elected). If, hypothetically, people are less likely to vote for, hire, or promote men and the reason is solely due to the sex of the men, would that mean that we should created a Department of Male Inclusion to artificially advantage men in various walks of life? It seems like it is easier for people to spot a terrible idea if it is in favor of men (especially white men). This is understandable to a certain extent given the cultural climate and the history of the country, but it is still disappointing to see so few simply swap the race and gender helped by DEI departments and see if doing so impacts its desirability.
Young woman on the right is also wrong about everyone being treated the same despite being admitted based on race. Entire schools exist solely to express the grievances of particular races, as if that is education. It is evident that students of various races are treated very differently in such schools, as indeed that's the entire point. Even if DEI is terminated (in name) it's going to continue.
It’s amazing that all these kids just proved DEI is useless. I love it.
SO. MUCH. WORD. SALAD.
Can you truly be divorced from your ancestors and their culture? Can there truly be a time when a black skinned Sudanese woman can consider themselves German?
In his book The Republic, Plato concluded that high quality rulers could eradicate bad qualities in a culture.
This is the premiss that Critical Social Justice philosophy assumes.
But ... I don't think anyone can persist if they disown their family and their ancestors.
Think Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" - the hero is a character who cherishes his whole humanity, include his people's great works of literature over the vapid banality of the world corporations banal idea of what a person is.
Why would there be systemic racism if people were born with a blank slate?
The usual answer makes no sense.
These kids are insane way over their head. Especially the girl in the yellow.
Culture has a huge affect on life outcomes. Just look at Asians and Indians. The kid didn’t understand his own argument.
It’s not a level playing field in colleges when certain groups get grades inflated based on their race
Culture is not a race.
Reality can be defined with mathematical representations, but not everything defined with mathematics represents reality. 3, 2, 1 move
Mathematical representations only measures certain aspects of reality. It doesn't measure good and evil. Mathematical representations can only measure the CONSEQUENCES of good and evil.
Isn't the purpose of meritocracy to create disparity? Is there not a disparity between those who qual'd to be on stage, and those who did not? Was merit not the deciding factor?
Individuals sometimes discriminate, and therefore, entire tribes of people should be discriminated against!
Gimme a show of hands: Who's pissed about not being able to get in here? No one? See, I told you no one was upset about not being let in here...
Is this exercise where students move closer to one idea done all over the place? The reason why I ask is that I unfortunately, in 1979, had a pair of Marxist teachers in High school. Of course, no one knew that they were Marxists. The class was supposed to be Civics. After a couple of weeks, which amounted to about 4 classes, I stopped going. They did this type of thing, but the questions made me uncomfortable. When a note was sent home about my absence’s, I explained it all to my Dad. A day or two later, he informed me at dinner that I am no longer enrolled in the class, and I would choose another elective class. Some time later, the two teachers were escorted out of the school. My Dad explained to me that these teachers were Marxists. I was the only one in that class who had any issues with the things they were asking. That is the only time in my life that I ever saw this type of exercise, so I am curious about seeing this now.
Why would one think such experiments were possible with DEI programs in universities?
Has any school tried doing admissions without name, sex, or race visible to the admissions team? Would that not make it so admission could only be according to merit?
DEI is awful. Obviously we must fully acknowledge and teach that discrimination did occur and was wrong. But, you don't resolve discrimination with even more discrimination! We must move forward together by trying our best to ensure that everyone has equality of opportunity and not try to force equality of outcome. As MLK said, we must not be judged by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character.
We are screwed
The only way that a culture exists in any sense is because of the disparities that it has with other cultures. Disparity just means differences, the moral undertones are projections, not part of the definition of "disparity".
I don't think this accomplishes anything. The entire discussion is at a surface level with lots of assumptions and no facts.
While I agree that the level of argument here is generally weak, I think the real goal behind this type of exercise is to get young people to actually engage in discussions about topics rather than simply dismissing anyone who doesn't agree.
I think thought experiments, hypotheticals, and things like this are important. If you can't reason through a simplistic approximation of the real world then you certainly can't reason your way through the real world. It might be an intellectual shallow end but everyone has to learn somehow.
Hard to watch beyond the first minute…all strongly agree??
How about no racial disparities in the NBA? Would we see better basketball?
How would we enforce it without authoritarian quota system?
What about trying to encourage the flourishing of all individuals rather than being content with the same proportion of each racial group living in poverty?
The " Blank Slate " hypothesis... Having watched and edited hours and hours of Nature Documentaries it is obvious to me that all creatures are inherently copies of their parents. Brave or Shy traits maybe turned up or down, but the common theme is 99.9% of parental characteristics are passed on. Frogs, for example, get up to all sorts of breeding escapades, but it is in their nature as a species to accommodate for this.
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Dude fails at CLT.
• it requires independent samples, which isn't the case in immigration
• it describes a curve shape, not the mean or width of it
Clear thinking on the part of all these kids. I've seen adults have muddled thought processes on these topics or at least how they verbalize their thoughts, but these kids know what's what. Even if I disagree with some of them, at least I know clearly where they stand. Good job!
No. You are not German, young man. No. You are not Mexican, young lady. You are both North Americans.
>Lycurgus
Opinion discarded.
@sebastiansirvas1530 what are you blithering about?
@@Lycurgus1982 Just shitting on Lycurgus. Spartans sucked, and Lycurgus sucked even more.
@@sebastiansirvas1530 shows how much you know, fool. I can give you a history lesson, so you can come out of your little troll den. Rub your nose in the crap that is discharging out of that peanut you call a brain. Trust me boy. You don't want none.🤏🏼
@sebastiansirvas1530 please do enlighten me on why the Spartans and Lycurgus suck. You sound like you don't know what you are talking about. All the name means is wolfworker in Doric. Just a word of advice. You probably shouldn't shit in the wrong places. Your going to get schooled.
We know that IQ varies by race. That fact makes a difference vis-a-vis outcomes.
IQ test outcome is malleable dependent on diet, environment, support system, and education. It’s not the scientific brain measuring device people in the past believed it to be. The fact that the younger children in a large family tend to have measurably smaller IQ (not brain size, but test outcomes) and tend to be less financially successful tells us that support and resources put into a child will affect their overall cognitive development and result in higher outcomes.
IQ is not the only measure of intelligence, nor is it necessarily the main determinant of "outcome". measures like IQ, abused as some kind of "gold standard", without understanding what they actually are and what they imply, is a form of "blind credentialism". this is a social pathology. as we slowly overcome blind credentialism, we experience increased "good outcomes" over a broader range of demographics and academic education levels. anyone who wears their IQ on their sleeve is more likely to be narcissistic than they are intelligent.
@@MrGunderfly Would you rather be born with an IQ of 100 and million dollars or poor and an IQ of 140?
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"Their intentions are good"
as they lead you on the path to hell.
funny how she seemed angry at her own friend who was asked to steel man the other position lol
DEI: Didn't Earn It!
I really wish he had gone more into the being born with a blank slate because there is so much more to that. Do you mean being born into a rich family or do you mean being born with DNA that allows you to have a higher IQ. Identical twins are probably the closest thing we have to 2 people being born with the same slate because they are being raised normally by the same family and have identical DNA. I don't know if they could ever have it done but I think it would be really cool if they could take 2 identical twins and have them raised by different families and see how different they would be to compare being raised vs just naturally being born a certain way. A cool study would be say you have 1000 people born on the same day and you randomly give them to different types of families to raise and track their IQ and beliefs over their life (yes I get noone is ever going to really do this unless we can create computer life in a realistic simulation one day).
Even if you take away the family/ wealth aspect of it no 2 people born are blank slates because some just are naturally smarter so they could achievement more with less effort. I have a relative high IQ based on test when I was a kid and started college at 16 and have been pretty successful in life became a millionaire with no debt in my early 30s without being born into a rich family but I still consider myself a failure because I started at a much higher level than the average person. I honestly believe I could have done alot more in life if I wasn't so lazy and worked harder given I have done probably more than the average person does in 3 lifetimes (pilot planes, raced cars, been all over 48 states, driven across country on road trips multiple times, hundreds of hours of scuba diving, rock climbing, ski down cliff sides that require 30ft drops, been to 14 different countries and lived in some for up to 4 months at a time, and more).
They did that. This sort of study is completely unethical. The twins and triplets were more like each other than their adoptive families. However, they have studied adopted twins that were separated at birth who reunite later in life. As with the unethical separations, for the most important characters, the twins are more like each other than their adoptive families. Many character and behavioral traits are genetically influenced. Ethnic differences are caused by subgroups of people living under specific social and environmental differences who interbreed. Selective pressures result in a level of behavior being determined by people's genetics.
It would be nice to have smarter people involved in the exercise. These children are naive and lacking life experience.
Why are the kids talking like they’re under some kind of super tight time limit?
It's racist, but that's ok. Dr. King would be disgusted.
Their false assumptions are off the charts
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If everyone has INHERENT racial bias, maybe i should lean into it, if its inherent then i guess ill always be racist, and should try to be good at it since i cant learn anything difrent.
Damn im inherently racist?
Why are they all woke it hurts my ears
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I do know Maria L. Clare, I also have even become successful....
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Maria Luisa Clare.
All that girl in yellow here's is RACE. So, who is the racist? Also, funny how she moved to the strongly agree on how racial quotas are inherently racist. As if she would be there, but for those policies, odds are.
>" As if she would be there, but for those policies, odds are."
@PonyboyGarfunkel projection? No, I think the word you are looking for is "stereotyping"
@@mwfmtnman >"projection?"
@PonyboyGarfunkel lol. Nice freshman philosophy grade argument.
@@mwfmtnman >"lol. Nice freshman philosophy grade argument."
Its astounding how much time effort and brain power is wasted on this foolishness
Audience is insufferable
What age is the small kid? Is he college age?!
Quotas are acceptable.....if its close to the % of each group in the population.
Thats the only logical and fair way to do it if they insist on some form of it wven though all that does is reduce the value and qualiyy of degrees.
Ridiculous levelling of the field artificially
They are not acceptable and they are racist. Why should any activity reflect the % of each group in the population or even approach it? Why not let the chips fall where they may?