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Even though I haven’t had these in my system for a decade, I think you nailed this. They were the best home theater speaker I ever had. Their Sierrra 1 fills in the bass but I thought they lost a little of the midrange magic these have. I would still recommend them for home theater duty with a sub. 👍✌
Timing in life is everything. I walked into my local GW, and at that EXACT moment, a lady was carrying the mate to a pair of HTM-200 Ascend Acoustics. Sixteen bucks later, I got them home, reglued the lip of the surrounds (someone got happy with the bass, methinks) and popped out the child-damaged dustcaps. I am absolutely gobsmacked at these. Paired with my Miller & Kreisel sub, they have bested all my other gear. I have EV, McIntosh, Yamaha, Polk, you name it, but for my room and ears, these killed them all. I cannot make sense of it.
Good purchase.. about 1/20 the price of a new pair. I usually only see junk electronics and speakers at the local 'thrift' stores. What I like about the HTM 200 is how compact it is.
@@jC-kc4si I've got a few years in this hobby, and when I say the imaging from these is top tier, I've got plenty to compare them with. I called Ascend, and they're some of the coolest folks around. I intend to eventually buy a pair of their higher end models, but right now, too busy enjoying these little dandies.
Once I binge-watched 12 episodes of CAM. I didn't sleep for a week. You know how much coffee that is? Thanks for this video. I always liked the LS50 but could never justify the price. This may be just what the Dr. ordered. That would not only make you the chief of cheap but you're now the Dr. of cheap. You have your PHD in cheap... audio man!
Good to see some of the internet direct options getting reviewed on a quality channel. I would like to know their Sierra speakers match up to other speakers in their price class.
Great review. Keep in mind that U2 recordings typically suck. They are super compressed. You would think with all that talent and creativity that they could hire a decent engineer.
These were my first speakers I bought after my divorce when I needed to sell off my Legacy Classics....sad. But they were my first Acsends! After I went on to their Sierra 1's. Then the Sierra 2's, then the Sierra 2EX! Talk about bass in a bookshelf! Absolutely incredible! One thing about Ascend....go to their forum and you'll be able to find rather public discussions which led to the development of their higher end stuff. Glad to see you reviewing these, my old friends!
Ascend provides some of the best bang for your bucks in this hobby. Not just entry level but high-end too their sierra tower and bookshelves are better than some that cost more than double.
Nice review. Really appreciate that you started discussing characteristics with reference to specific songs and what they tell you. I am listening along.
Really cool to see you review some Ascend speakers. I'm a new, proud owner of a pair of 2EX bookshelves and they are the best speakers I've ever owned. I labored over the choice for months, reading reviews, talking to people and their return guarantee made them the choice. Great little company to support.
I have the Sierra 1 nrt, and would love to upgrade to the 2ex's. Problem is , I live in Canada and with the exchange rate plus shipping and taxes make them pricey for me. No doubt they are probably worth every Canadian dollar. Cheers Al
Agreed. I bought the Sierra 2's, later upgraded to the EX. I had a small concern and texted Dina who is their receptionist and long time contact person. She sensed I was concerned about something and not only did she contact me back but it was in the form of a call after business hours just to make sure I was ok with everything! I love their products as well as their customer care and service!
@@Yates28 I have both nrt domes and RAAL center so I understand some of the nuances of both designs. Just recently Dave elaborated that his cost for the nrt/64-10 tweets are similar this was relating to the towers fwiw....not exactly apples to apples but in his opinion the towers with original nrt can handle more power and play louder so switching out the nrt for the smaller raal in the towers is moot. Personally...I'm in the same boat if I felt the switch to the xbr70-20 would give me that edge for home theater I would've done it by now...but the RAAL is the preferred twet for music in most cases....but I'm a 50-50 guy and have great headphones to boot...so I rather not spend 1200.00 cdn to upgrade anytime soon.
@@bill-wi9ry I hear ya bill. And I really like my speakers , so in no hurry to upgrade, although it us awful tempting at times If I was to do so, I would definitely go with the 70/20 I'd they become available for the bookshelves
Thanks for the Lena Hall lead. Like a foot note more interesting than the chapter it's in, your taste in music is only exceeded by your erudite reviews, but in this instance you display a Midas Taste in vocalists.
Randy when you test speakers do you test them at reference level? That's a very important factor the speakers power handling ability at how they handle reference level without breaking up. That's where this speakers shines especially over other speakers at this price point that you have in your top three list.
Great review. I’ve owned a pair for a decade and always liked the value. I totally agree with your comments about how they pair with certain music. For me, a sub is a must. I’ve stepped up to Sierra 2’s and would encourage everyone to check them out. Good value and fun to listen to. The type of speakers that make you want to re-listen to all your favorite music
The sad thing is that once Tannoy, KEF, and a few holdouts were bought out by overseas firms in Asia or moved their production there, it's essentially all the same stuff with slightly different designs and stickers stuck on it. The reason is that they find firms in China or elsewhere, send them the design specs, and they are all made in the same few factories with the same cost-cutting and mediocre quality control. It's basically Box B with a specific driver, some foam thrown in, and the same off the shelf crossover since nobody actually tears one apart to check. Ascend at least isn't charging a fortune for their sound and quality control/assembly is done in the U.S. If you want the same sound in a smaller package, but powered, the M-Audio MX5 are a good choice. Despite the smaller driver, the frequency response graph is almost identical. Roughly the same sound, price, *and* powered? I can't wait for him to review these are they typically sell for about $320 a pair, on sale. Someone is selling them on discount no matter the time of year, so this is a pretty easy to find price.
Good to see Ascend get some attention. Their HTM-200 SE would be a good speaker to review. Cheapest speaker they offer I believe. It’s a small sealed box that’s meant for wall mount. Awesome video as always.
Someone's smoking something if they actually think these can compare to LS50's. The 170's are bright, even with tubes and can't create a soundstage with much depth. There's a reason why these haven't made a big splash. They're just not that good.
I found them bright, etched, unrefined, and the cause of listening fatigue. Narrow sound stage width and nearly no depth at all. Even compared to the original LS-50's, these were a tough listen. The Meta's just destroyed them in an A/B comparison. Didn't matter what amp was used. Benchmark AHB2, ATI, Monoprice Monolith, Willsenton 805 based tube amp. The 170's were just a tough listen.
8 Ohm & 93 dB sensitivity? These must be solid for low-volume listening. Was considering their Sierra 2EX plus center. Maybe these CB170s can go as surrounds. Thanks, Randy!
@@EverythingisFire The Duo v2 LCR pair would be better. Look for sensitivity rating of 90 dB or higher and impedance of 8 Ohm, not lower. As I understand it, higher impedance means less current needed and higher sensitivity means it can sound fuller at lower volume (i.e. more sensitive).
Nice review. Wondering was there any AB listening between Kef LS50 and these speakers? From experience some things just sound very different from the memory. Edit: and no I don't have Kefs.
I think when it comes to a living room speaker, that gets placed to perform and therefore occupies a bit of the room, to me it is important that the speakers are pleasant to look at. Maybe not in the sub$400€ category. But the further beyond $500€ it gets the more important it is. I mean what is pretty and what is bland is still a fair debate and personal preference, not everyone seeks the wood box look, some like it a bit more futuristic looking, some prefer white some black speakers.
I picked up a pair of the CBM170SE used for $70 and they're ok. Can't hold a candle to the KEF LS50's and LS50 Meta that I've owned though, nor the Q150's that I still own. Would anyone put a Class A tube amp on a pair of $350 speakers, doubtful.
As Randy commented himself, he didn’t like the LS50. He could not pair them well amplification wise. Not surprised he didn’t get much bass out of them when these were underpowered while reviewing. The comparison with the LS50 is completely out of line. Properly driven the LS50’s (both generations) are a complete other class. They go much deeper way into the 50 hrz region with deep fast bass, have a very wide soundstage, excellent layering and separation, clean, detailed and sublime micro dynamics. The first generation LS50 could be on the bright side in some configurations, what is the only comparison spot on. Built, sonically and aesthetically the LS50’s are in a complete different league. Of course Randy’s perspective is from his own experience with poorly paired amplification. That’s why his LS50 review is so much different then of other well respected reviewers. Nothing against Randy, but he didn’t go through the length to make the LS50 perform up to it’s potential.
He ( Randy ) is comparing , for lack of a better analogy, a Hyundai to a Mercedes. Which is why no true audiophile puts credence into his reviews. Oh wait - didn't he put out a video on why audiophiles suck a few months ago?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are the first reviewer I've seen ever mention Ascend much less review them. I've had these speakers for years and they are great. I was beginning to think reviewers just had Ascend on a blacklist or something.
I've had a pair of these for many years in an office system. They are sonically very neutral but do need a small sub woofer. These are simply a no non sense speaker and a good value.
you were saying that KEF LS50s don't have base but if you connect them to a good amp I believe you will get the reward. I heard them connected to different amp and it made a huge difference
Used to have this and the center CMT 340, the center was much better on music,the midrange is nice but not very clean , overall good review,and good speakers,I enjoy the tannoy reveal 601p much better
Curious to hear your thoughts about these in comparison to Klipsch RP600m. These Ascend have been on my radar for a while and wondering if they’d be able to replace my RP600m?
I use the original CBM 170s in my main setup and absolutely love them. As you said they image super well and I just find myself thoroughly enjoying all of my music every time I use them. Thanks for the great review as usual!
There was a guy on reddit who relentlessly promoted them. Honestly, probably the ugliest speaker I've ever seen. Always been interested in hearing them, though.
I tried these little speakers several years ago. There were things about them I really liked and some things I didn't. I liked the detail as it is a really detailed speaker. Very flat frequency response until you get to the bass. Cannot recall depth but stage size was large enough especially for them being a small speaker. What I didn't like was, well lack of bass but a sub will fill in just fine. What bothered me was the tone. Everything seemed to take on a similar sound. Like when you have a meal and out and take all the leftovers together in a box and after sitting long enough everything tastes similar. Strange but that's how I interpreted that. It's like individual instruments lacked that certain color (not talking about flat response) that distinguishes it from other instruments. At the time, there were only two people critical of the AA CBM-170se, myself and one other while others' experience were more positive. This SQ I experienced may have been a result of the lack of bass or my equipment which may have not had a working synergy. These should work fine on a desktop and if I recall they were a little forward sounding. Very modest looking but built well enough. Definitely perform to their price point. But not a unicorn, just a different flavor and option. Smaller speakers with drivers closer together can sound a bit like the Kef LS-50 but the Kefs under a variety of conditions would still outperform the CBMs as well they should if the equipment is of commensurate quality, meaning Kef likes quality power.. They are the so called poor man's alternative but may perform even better with better amps and dacs.
There have only been a few speakers or headphones that elicited physical disgust from me, and these were one of them. I can't even say exactly what it was. I just recall describing them as having chewed up my music and vomited it back at me from 100 feet away.
Yeah, I've heard the original CBM's and the revised SE's. Both were forward, dry, etched, and lacked sound stage image width and depth. Listening fatigue was a huge factor after even short periods (like 20 minutes at moderate volume). The original LS-50's were significantly more refined than the 170 SE's and the Metas absolutely smoke them.
@@DBravo29er Agreed. They were the reason I didn't go after the Sierra 2. I did try the Quad S2 and while they were pleasing for movies, you could everything and had great resolution, the were boring as heck for music. Very highly resolving, no depth and no emotion.
@@WeeWeeJumbo Honestly you get what you payed for when it comes to a consumer direct company. They don't exist because of ads or marketing. They sell direct and the money goes into research and better speakers. Also speakers will last you decades so go budget but don't be a cheap ass.
What would you say about me buying these 170s plus a matching center channel for $300 total? Then adding a svs sub for a 3.1 set-up? Should I just get a svs prime tower surround setup instead?
Nice job getting a great pair of affordable speakers out there. Not ground breaking tech, but they look good. (KEF LS50's are still pretty darn nice tho....)
LS50s aren't cheap to feed or sub, so I respect your opinion Randy. However if you're looking for a flagship quality speaker they are a bargain! Call them snowflake speakers if you must, but once you have amps that will drive them and a pair of REL subs... 🎶😊🎶
Loving the videos, Randy! Guys, I need some advice. With a budget of £200-£300 what are the best options for my set up? I'll be playing music from Spotify (phone/laptop) in a smallish room. Speakers will be close to the wall. The amp I've decided upon is the Fosi audio bl20c at £90. Speakers: Ive short-listed the following: Wharfedale 9.1 £99.99 Q Acoustics diamond 3020 £129.99 Wharfedale diamond 220 £129.99 JBL sound stage a130 £179.99 Elac debut b5.2 £209.99 Emotiva Airmotiv b1+ £225. Is the amp I've chosen capable of driving the speakers? What speaker should I get/avoid? I love bass but don't want it drowning the treble and midrange. Will likely be listening at lowish volumes as well. Mostly listen to hip hop, reggae, house and funk music. Thanks in advance!
Another great review! I've owned the CBM 170SE for quite a while now but looking to replace them with the Polk Audio Reserve R200 currently on sale at Best Buy for $578 a pair (black only). Not sure if the walnut finish is worth an extra $70. I would pair it for now with Klipsch Synergy 12 subwoofer. Q - Do you believe going from CBM 170SE to Polk R200 would be a substantial upgrade or a bit of a lateral move? I listen to all types of music but primary female vocals, alt\indie rock, r&b, fusion jazz, new age.
update: I took the plunge and purchased the Polk Reserves R200 for $578 (tax incl). I was pleasantly surprised not only was Best Buy price matched but they even allowed me to get the Walnut finish instead. FedEx 2-day delivery will have it arrived by the weekend. It's obvious this cheap audio man is thrilled to get a great pair of speakers for a reasonably low price. 😊
@@colinchang1543 Definitely! It was even a better deal this year being $10 less than I paid in some places. I was very tempted in buying the matching center channel but decided to hold off.
I've noticed that some speaker companies that concentrate primarily on home theater take the added subwoofer bass to assist the other speakers for granted and design the surrounds etc with that in mind. I think that sometimes they just take one of their surround speakers and call it a book shelf speaker but with some more design feature that actually counted on it being a stand alone book shelf you might get a different more full range result. The speaker is ported but some surrounds are not ported so they can be put against the wall and the bass suffers. Just another audio musing.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt No I didnt I know exactly what I meant. There are lots of surrounds that are not suitable to be bookshelves. When some get close they just call it a bookshelf but the bass doesn't exert much below 100 hz.
@@fletchermunson6225 Unless they're micro speakers, bookshelf speakers play lower than 100Hz. Only the dipoles because of cancellation, drop off sharply below about 120Hz and THX speakers with their 12dB/octave acoustic rolloff at 80 Hz. I'm not aware of manufactured surround speakers that were then sold as bookshelf speakers by said manufacturer. It's always the other way around and I've been in this game for 40 plus years.
Another reason one may not have heard of Ascend speakers is because most super popular audio reviewers won't consider touching anything not officially considered "audiophile" or in some cases they won't touch anything that cost less than $9000 or something because they think nobody is interested. There are folks who spend all their time watching about stuff they can never afford for some reason. Personally, why anyone would want to torture themselves into a depression and end up unsatisfied with everything they have because someone says to is beyond every psychology class and field experience I ever had under my belt. Randy, you are doing what I should have done long ago, so kudos to you! I was doing what you do in written media from 2013 thru 2017, strictly volunteer and independent. I should have done it via TH-cam at some point back then, but I have cameraphobia (I just found out that is the clinical name) and could not figure out how the hell to get on TH-cam with that in the way. I recently figured out the way in what I want to do, but only partly and I am not comfortable being too much in public so to speak. I'm not into social media at all and I'm not looking to be well known or whatever. (I refuse to get a facebook or whatever they call themselves now, twitter or anything like that). Just as the whole reason I was an audio journalist in written media, I just want to help the common folk domestic and international. So I thought it best to be left up to the pros and such when it comes to being on TH-cam.
Don’t show your face. Start a channel, my friend. Just record the product and talk. The more folks talk about affordable audio the better for the community and hobby.
I've seen other demo videos with these speakers producing a lot of bass. With stuff link pink floyd, dire straits, etc... Their site says states that they can be placed basically anywhere. Maybe moving them closer to a wall would bring out that bass you were missing. With the import SEAS tweeters, and aerogel woofers, these are a crazy value. I enjoy good bass, and ideally would like to hear down to 40-45hz or so in-room with what i listen to. Your review stating these have no bass is what's holding me back from buying them. For me, It's basically between these, the Polk ES20, or the Emotiva B1+. Leaning toward the polks due to their power port producing some nice punchy deep bass. With that said, I don't see how their Sierra-1's with 5.25" woofer are rated down to 39hz, while these with a 6.5" long throw woofer are only rated down to 53hz.
@@pcfriedrich already have a few subs in various rooms. A basic Sony 10" and a Jamo low profile which isn't that great. Could use it as an excuse to buy something cheap but musical.
How do the Sony SS-CS5’s stack up to these? I know there is a much different price point, but just curious.. thanks for the videos too absolutely love them!!!
Begs the question, where does KEF, Wharefdale, Klipsch and the other mid-level speaker manufacturers put the rest of the money they demand. Open pocket insert cash. I've listened to these and they compare nicely to the Q Acoustic 3031i.
Do you read comments from these old videos? Im curious about ascend htm 200se, if you know anything about them. I'm looking for some non ported surround speakers to go with my svs pinnacles, but cheaper than what svs has.
Great reviews! I may be an Ascend fanboy :-). I have several Ascend Acoustics speakers, including the RAAL Tower, Sierra-2/EX, CBM-200SE, and the (reviewed here) CBM-170SE. All provide extreme value at their price point.
Hey Randy, I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and I just purchased the emotiva b1+ and have them paired with a single sb1000. I know these have ribbon tweeters and the ascends have silk domes, would you compare the two in terms of quality? I love the emotivas but I can’t help but think for not a lot more I could potentially have something “better”.
@@cheapaudioman the Meta's are actually very impressive and a good improvement over the older ls50's. I have tried other speakers to see if i can better them but i keep coming back to the Meta's. For there size the bass is really impressive and they do a great job of not being too bright and sound really smooth, i can leave them on for hours and have 0 listening fatigue.
@@hclandscapes the metas are on my short list to try. There is a magnolia somewhat close that I can demo but I'm afraid or I'll buy them. I'm curious if they have any warnth or sweetness to their tone. From the many reviews I know they are scalpels for precision, soundstage well with the concentric design and are neutral in freq. It's good to hear you talk about the non fatiguing aspects because I've been stuck on a used pair of sonus faber that I picked up and it's been impossible to listen to any of my other pairs since. They are so silky smooth and I listen to some thrashy trashy recordings and they just don't let me down with anything. I love them ok? I still wonder about the metas though
call me shallow but the design (or lack thereof) of these speakers really puts me off ever buying them. i feel like there are way too many great options out there for me to settle on something tht isnt aesthetically pleasing and enjoyable to look at.
Great video as always. I’m just getting into this stuff and your channel has been very helpful. I’m about to pull the trigger on a RT 85 and schitt mani (or maybe the iFi Zen). Question: interesting sponsor for this video. Lol. Curious…how did you come across the SSBN mug? Are you a bubble head ? Just curious as I am active duty and been stationed on SSBNs for over 20 years.
Spring for the Zen if you can still afford it. I also recommend the RT-85N [Nagaoka MP-110] because it costs a lot less to replace the stylus vs. the 2M Blue.
Depends on what you’re looking for. They’ll probably sound a bit thin at low volumes unless you have a sub. They sound a bit thin at higher volumes too. Emotiva b1+ is good at low volumes too
There are alot of speakers at that price point. Monitor Audio recently droped the price of their Silver 100s to $800. The new model is six hundred more so there's one option. It excels at home theater and is pretty good with most music leaning more towards Rock. I have Focal but there are alot of options. For a bit more than the Kefs, there's Buchardt, Tyler Acoustics, plus more. The 170se may compete with somewhat more expensive speakers but not at the level of the Kef LS50. Simply outclassed by many orders.
@@EazyRed Two different speakers alltogether. The MA Silver100s would serve better in a medium size to large room, sound much fuller and I would have kept them except I liked the upper mids and highs on the Focal 807Ws better. I liked the fullness of the lows to low mids on the Silvers. The Focals are also more expensive. Both sounded great in my system, a Keces e40 amp and a D70S dac. Kefs, well what they do they do exceptionally well, imaging for one, but I'd take the Silver 100s. Unless you really need a floorstander. The 100s are a fun yet resolving and detailed speaker. Forward like my Focals. I mean, you could go directly to Audio Advisor or Amazon. They still have them I beleive. The black ash looked exceptional. That's what I'm trying to say. You could read my review on Amazon, I gave them 5 stars. For what it's worth. I also would much prefer the Silver 100s over Quad S2 if that helps.
@@EazyRed Also, easy to drive, don't need alot of power to get them to sing, essentailly 50 to 60% less than alot of competitors. I guess one could argue that SVS is a competitor too. But the MAs are a nice speaker, especially for the price. If you do 50/50 movies/music, give or take, they would do fine. I think the 7th generation was stated to sound like they were designed more for home theater so the 6th Ed s/b more a balance IMO. Good luck.
@@EazyRed Just to answer the question directly, I do not think the Silver 100s vs Kef LS50 should be considered better than the other, they are different. With certain gear one could outperform the other in certain categories or listening preferences. Someone might say the LS50s are better to them for their preferences while someone might prefer the other. Perhaps the LS50s might have a better tonality? Then the 100s might have better dynamics, etc....you need to listen. But the Silvers will play nice with more equipment I think.
Congrats, the KEF LS50 is a very good speaker. At its price point (~$1600) the Ascend Sierra 2 EX is a direct competitor. In a recent home trial I compared the two directly, with the Ascend the winner with tighter and more extended bass, and just a bit more clarity. The KEF edged out the Ascend slightly in sound stage.
@@DBravo29er both speakers are excellent. Based on direct comparison of the two during a 2-week extendid listening test, my take is this: 1) Soundstage extension beyond speakers - the KEF LS50 Meta slightly edges out the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2 EX with a wider stage 2) Bass - the Ascend edges out the KEF. Deeper and less boomy. 3) Midrange - Both male and female vocals on the Ascend are natural. KEF’s are good, with slight blooming on female vocals. 4) Treble - both are excellent. 5). Dynamics - Both are excellent. 6). Imaging - slight advantage to Ascends for consistent instrument placement left to right and front/back. What is your listening experience?
@@sbromley6739 My impressions are literally the inverse of yours. With the KEFs generating a wider, taller, and deeper soundstage, with more clearly stratified point sources within that soundstage. I found the KEF's bass to be more dependent upon position than the 2EX. KEF sounded much better above 1.5khz as volume rose, whereas the 2EX quickly developed a hardness for leading edge transients that carried over near all of the notes as volume was pushed further. This came with a tonal shift in the 2EX where the deeper bass gave way and the tweeter seemed to outrun the midwoofer. No apparent clipping was occurring from the speaker verified none from the amps. I found the treble above 12khz to be tilted up on the 2EX. This isn't bad and was actually very pleasant on some songs. But I didn't find it consistently pleasing or particularly natural. I actually find the 2EX to be significantly more aesthetically pleasing than the Metas, but that wasn't enough for me to order a pair for myself. I can "fix" the LS-50 Meta's weak point (bass below 60hz) with subs. I am not aware of a fix for narrower, shallower soundstage, and that hardness that became increasingly evident as volume rose past 80dB at the listening position. I can definitely see the allure of the 2EX, but I still have verified hearing up to 19.5khz per my last audiogram and I don't need ANYTHING above 10khz to be that strong. However, that's not what others may like and this is totally fine. The 2EX appeared to be a well made speaker but wasn't as dense as the Metas.
can you review the "Nobsound Mini Bluetooth 5.0 Power Amplifier Class D Hi-Fi Stereo Amp Home Speaker" its a 2 channel 50w amp that is the size of an egg
Interesting! Thank you for the review. This speaker seems to hit many of the right boxes for me. Maybe with 2 good subs. Or see some somewhat larger models that Ascend Acoustics offers online, perhaps to use without subs. Thanks again!
I've been rocking the CMT-340s for LCR, HTM-200s and a HSU 15" sub for home theater for a long time. Still sounds great. Still have not found a reason to upgrade.
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I've been thinking of buying some LS 50s, but now I know I can just dig out my pair of CBM 170s I bought back in 2003 and be happy.
LS50 is extremely overrated unless you enjoy fatiguing speakers.
Even though I haven’t had these in my system for a decade, I think you nailed this. They were the best home theater speaker I ever had. Their Sierrra 1 fills in the bass but I thought they lost a little of the midrange magic these have. I would still recommend them for home theater duty with a sub. 👍✌
Thank you again so much for sending these out to me, Louie!
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@@zodd3262 salt of the earth, that fella
Timing in life is everything.
I walked into my local GW, and at that EXACT moment, a lady was carrying the mate to a pair of HTM-200 Ascend Acoustics. Sixteen bucks later, I got them home, reglued the lip of the surrounds (someone got happy with the bass, methinks) and popped out the child-damaged dustcaps.
I am absolutely gobsmacked at these. Paired with my Miller & Kreisel sub, they have bested all my other gear. I have EV, McIntosh, Yamaha, Polk, you name it, but for my room and ears, these killed them all.
I cannot make sense of it.
Good purchase.. about 1/20 the price of a new pair. I usually only see junk electronics and speakers at the local 'thrift' stores. What I like about the HTM 200 is how compact it is.
@@jC-kc4si I've got a few years in this hobby, and when I say the imaging from these is top tier, I've got plenty to compare them with. I called Ascend, and they're some of the coolest folks around. I intend to eventually buy a pair of their higher end models, but right now, too busy enjoying these little dandies.
I highly recommend you keep delving deeper into obscure, not well known US speaker brands. Great stuff! Never heard of these guys!
I'm looking for speakers like these but they seem to be the only brand I can find.
Once I binge-watched 12 episodes of CAM. I didn't sleep for a week. You know how much coffee that is? Thanks for this video. I always liked the LS50 but could never justify the price. This may be just what the Dr. ordered. That would not only make you the chief of cheap but you're now the Dr. of cheap. You have your PHD in cheap... audio man!
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I was a Destroyer guy back in the day. Been enjoying your content since the beginning .
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Thanks Louie! And Bravo Zulu Randy on the coffee mug ☕!!! Don't let anyone wash out the flavor!!! Great Review!👍
I bought used KEF Q15 bookshelf speakers. They are 61/2 inch coaxial. They are amazing. You can get them in the range of $100 - $200.
Good to see some of the internet direct options getting reviewed on a quality channel. I would like to know their Sierra speakers match up to other speakers in their price class.
Chocolate chip trip is my new demo track. It's wicked on the La Scala's. Another awesome speaker review!
Great review. Keep in mind that U2 recordings typically suck. They are super compressed. You would think with all that talent and creativity that they could hire a decent engineer.
These were my first speakers I bought after my divorce when I needed to sell off my Legacy Classics....sad. But they were my first Acsends! After I went on to their Sierra 1's. Then the Sierra 2's, then the Sierra 2EX! Talk about bass in a bookshelf! Absolutely incredible! One thing about Ascend....go to their forum and you'll be able to find rather public discussions which led to the development of their higher end stuff. Glad to see you reviewing these, my old friends!
Ascend provides some of the best bang for your bucks in this hobby. Not just entry level but high-end too their sierra tower and bookshelves are better than some that cost more than double.
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Nice review. Really appreciate that you started discussing characteristics with reference to specific songs and what they tell you. I am listening along.
I've used the 170 (Original) for about 20 years now in my home theater. They are still fantastic performers.
Really cool to see you review some Ascend speakers. I'm a new, proud owner of a pair of 2EX bookshelves and they are the best speakers I've ever owned. I labored over the choice for months, reading reviews, talking to people and their return guarantee made them the choice. Great little company to support.
I have the Sierra 1 nrt, and would love to upgrade to the 2ex's.
Problem is , I live in Canada and with the exchange rate plus shipping and taxes make them pricey for me.
No doubt they are probably worth every Canadian dollar.
Cheers
Al
Agreed. I bought the Sierra 2's, later upgraded to the EX. I had a small concern and texted Dina who is their receptionist and long time contact person. She sensed I was concerned about something and not only did she contact me back but it was in the form of a call after business hours just to make sure I was ok with everything! I love their products as well as their customer care and service!
@@Yates28
I have both nrt domes and RAAL center so I understand some of the nuances of both designs.
Just recently Dave elaborated that his cost for the nrt/64-10 tweets are similar this was relating to the towers fwiw....not exactly apples to apples but in his opinion the towers with original nrt can handle more power and play louder so switching out the nrt for the smaller raal in the towers is moot. Personally...I'm in the same boat if I felt the switch to the xbr70-20 would give me that edge for home theater I would've done it by now...but the RAAL is the preferred twet for music in most cases....but I'm a 50-50 guy and have great headphones to boot...so I rather not spend 1200.00 cdn to upgrade anytime soon.
@@bill-wi9ry I hear ya bill.
And I really like my speakers , so in no hurry to upgrade, although it us awful tempting at times
If I was to do so, I would definitely go with the 70/20 I'd they become available for the bookshelves
Yep, ascend is a great company!
Hey. this is the speaker in the last video. Glad to see the sponsors are back. back to making mega coin!
Glad to see Ascend getting some notice, I love the Sierra 2s. Also found them less bass oriented and that amp pairing made a significant difference.
Freq graph is alike Tang Band W3-881SJ ITransmission Line)
Dude, spot on with the Boba Fett
Thanks for the Lena Hall lead. Like a foot note more interesting than the chapter it's in, your taste in music is only exceeded by your erudite reviews, but in this instance you display a Midas Taste in vocalists.
Thanks for bringing these to us, Louie. You are the salt of the earth. Randy, great job on getting the name right and the review.
Randy when you test speakers do you test them at reference level? That's a very important factor the speakers power handling ability at how they handle reference level without breaking up. That's where this speakers shines especially over other speakers at this price point that you have in your top three list.
I’m ugly so I can’t have ugly speakers too. Solid review.
I like them.
Great review. I’ve owned a pair for a decade and always liked the value. I totally agree with your comments about how they pair with certain music. For me, a sub is a must. I’ve stepped up to Sierra 2’s and would encourage everyone to check them out. Good value and fun to listen to. The type of speakers that make you want to re-listen to all your favorite music
The sad thing is that once Tannoy, KEF, and a few holdouts were bought out by overseas firms in Asia or moved their production there, it's essentially all the same stuff with slightly different designs and stickers stuck on it. The reason is that they find firms in China or elsewhere, send them the design specs, and they are all made in the same few factories with the same cost-cutting and mediocre quality control. It's basically Box B with a specific driver, some foam thrown in, and the same off the shelf crossover since nobody actually tears one apart to check.
Ascend at least isn't charging a fortune for their sound and quality control/assembly is done in the U.S.
If you want the same sound in a smaller package, but powered, the M-Audio MX5 are a good choice. Despite the smaller driver, the frequency response graph is almost identical. Roughly the same sound, price, *and* powered? I can't wait for him to review these are they typically sell for about $320 a pair, on sale. Someone is selling them on discount no matter the time of year, so this is a pretty easy to find price.
Good to see Ascend get some attention. Their HTM-200 SE would be a good speaker to review. Cheapest speaker they offer I believe. It’s a small sealed box that’s meant for wall mount. Awesome video as always.
I've had mine for about 20 years. Still going strong. Add a sub.
It's not the front end, it's the ascend!😀
I own these and dollar for dollar, the best speakers on the market
Green screens are awesome. You should do one from the death star!!
Randy!!!! u made me spill my coffee! what have u done? wow this is fascinating info! great review, brother!
CBM-170 or Emotiva B1+? Shootout?
Someone's smoking something if they actually think these can compare to LS50's. The 170's are bright, even with tubes and can't create a soundstage with much depth. There's a reason why these haven't made a big splash. They're just not that good.
I found them bright, etched, unrefined, and the cause of listening fatigue. Narrow sound stage width and nearly no depth at all. Even compared to the original LS-50's, these were a tough listen. The Meta's just destroyed them in an A/B comparison. Didn't matter what amp was used. Benchmark AHB2, ATI, Monoprice Monolith, Willsenton 805 based tube amp. The 170's were just a tough listen.
@@DBravo29er ...and very monotone sounding.
@@nc3419 Agreed. They do tend to homogenize what they play.
I’m digging the new scenery. Better lighting.
8 Ohm & 93 dB sensitivity? These must be solid for low-volume listening.
Was considering their Sierra 2EX plus center. Maybe these CB170s can go as surrounds.
Thanks, Randy!
Are the Sierra's good for low volume? I'm not sure which Spec. reflects that.
@@EverythingisFire The Duo v2 LCR pair would be better. Look for sensitivity rating of 90 dB or higher and impedance of 8 Ohm, not lower.
As I understand it, higher impedance means less current needed and higher sensitivity means it can sound fuller at lower volume (i.e. more sensitive).
Nice review. Wondering was there any AB listening between Kef LS50 and these speakers? From experience some things just sound very different from the memory.
Edit: and no I don't have Kefs.
I stalk Louis virtually. Sith Audio Lazyman Stalkers kit....$429,388.97
Nice. He’s very stalkable
I just noticed that your list of Suggested DAC's does not include Geshelli Labs J2
which amp would you recommend for them?
Great video! I like your Raspberry Pi streamer How To video also.
Any chance you can do a video about your NAS? I’m considering setting one up.
that would be fun. Let me think how I could do that.
@@cheapaudioman thanks BZ!
I think when it comes to a living room speaker, that gets placed to perform and therefore occupies a bit of the room, to me it is important that the speakers are pleasant to look at. Maybe not in the sub$400€ category. But the further beyond $500€ it gets the more important it is. I mean what is pretty and what is bland is still a fair debate and personal preference, not everyone seeks the wood box look, some like it a bit more futuristic looking, some prefer white some black speakers.
I picked up a pair of the CBM170SE used for $70 and they're ok. Can't hold a candle to the KEF LS50's and LS50 Meta that I've owned though, nor the Q150's that I still own. Would anyone put a Class A tube amp on a pair of $350 speakers, doubtful.
As Randy commented himself, he didn’t like the LS50. He could not pair them well amplification wise. Not surprised he didn’t get much bass out of them when these were underpowered while reviewing. The comparison with the LS50 is completely out of line. Properly driven the LS50’s (both generations) are a complete other class. They go much deeper way into the 50 hrz region with deep fast bass, have a very wide soundstage, excellent layering and separation, clean, detailed and sublime micro dynamics. The first generation LS50 could be on the bright side in some configurations, what is the only comparison spot on. Built, sonically and aesthetically the LS50’s are in a complete different league. Of course Randy’s perspective is from his own experience with poorly paired amplification. That’s why his LS50 review is so much different then of other well respected reviewers. Nothing against Randy, but he didn’t go through the length to make the LS50 perform up to it’s potential.
He ( Randy ) is comparing , for lack of a better analogy, a Hyundai to a Mercedes. Which is why no true audiophile puts credence into his reviews.
Oh wait - didn't he put out a video on why audiophiles suck a few months ago??
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If you take out the drivers , you might be a amazed how good their network is
You are the first reviewer I've seen ever mention Ascend much less review them. I've had these speakers for years and they are great. I was beginning to think reviewers just had Ascend on a blacklist or something.
I don't think they have an affiliate program and I don't think they reach out to reviewers so that's probably the reason why. Who knows, my man.
Ascend doesn't send products out for review, I don't know if they're scared of reviews beyond AVS fanboys or they just hate money.
I've had a pair of these for many years in an office system. They are sonically very neutral but do need a small sub woofer. These are simply a no non sense speaker and a good value.
That camera quality tho🔥🔥
Thanks to Loui 🙏
you were saying that KEF LS50s don't have base but if you connect them to a good amp I believe you will get the reward. I heard them connected to different amp and it made a huge difference
Used to have this and the center CMT 340, the center was much better on music,the midrange is nice but not very clean , overall good review,and good speakers,I enjoy the tannoy reveal 601p much better
Good review Randy. Fill your soul with happiness.
Any thoughts on these compared to Triangle Borea BR03 (when the price drops to $370 as it does here and there?)
Please review the Ascend Sierra-1’s!! They are incredible and they are right in the wheelhouse of the “Cheapaudioman”.
Curious to hear your thoughts about these in comparison to Klipsch RP600m. These Ascend have been on my radar for a while and wondering if they’d be able to replace my RP600m?
Dang! What a badass sponsor Randy! LOL
CSS 1TDX china drivers is good. Can you review it? Only drawback is low sensitivity.
Appreciate the videos you bring forth, keep keeping on, interested considering some of your CAM mugs or shirts
I use the original CBM 170s in my main setup and absolutely love them. As you said they image super well and I just find myself thoroughly enjoying all of my music every time I use them. Thanks for the great review as usual!
There was a guy on reddit who relentlessly promoted them. Honestly, probably the ugliest speaker I've ever seen. Always been interested in hearing them, though.
35 minutes later from my Trip down memory lane. love there music, oh yea I need to finish the Video.
I tried these little speakers several years ago. There were things about them I really liked and some things I didn't. I liked the detail as it is a really detailed speaker. Very flat frequency response until you get to the bass. Cannot recall depth but stage size was large enough especially for them being a small speaker.
What I didn't like was, well lack of bass but a sub will fill in just fine. What bothered me was the tone. Everything seemed to take on a similar sound. Like when you have a meal and out and take all the leftovers together in a box and after sitting long enough everything tastes similar. Strange but that's how I interpreted that.
It's like individual instruments lacked that certain color (not talking about flat response) that distinguishes it from other instruments. At the time, there were only two people critical of the AA CBM-170se, myself and one other while others' experience were more positive.
This SQ I experienced may have been a result of the lack of bass or my equipment which may have not had a working synergy.
These should work fine on a desktop and if I recall they were a little forward sounding. Very modest looking but built well enough. Definitely perform to their price point. But not a unicorn, just a different flavor and option. Smaller speakers with drivers closer together can sound a bit like the Kef LS-50 but the Kefs under a variety of conditions would still outperform the CBMs as well they should if the equipment is of commensurate quality, meaning Kef likes quality power..
They are the so called poor man's alternative but may perform even better with better amps and dacs.
There have only been a few speakers or headphones that elicited physical disgust from me, and these were one of them. I can't even say exactly what it was. I just recall describing them as having chewed up my music and vomited it back at me from 100 feet away.
No way these beat KEF LS50s lol Randy just hates KEF and is trolling
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Yeah, I've heard the original CBM's and the revised SE's. Both were forward, dry, etched, and lacked sound stage image width and depth. Listening fatigue was a huge factor after even short periods (like 20 minutes at moderate volume). The original LS-50's were significantly more refined than the 170 SE's and the Metas absolutely smoke them.
@@DBravo29er Agreed. They were the reason I didn't go after the Sierra 2. I did try the Quad S2 and while they were pleasing for movies, you could everything and had great resolution, the were boring as heck for music. Very highly resolving, no depth and no emotion.
The Sierra series are phenomenal and some of the most accurate speakers made.
biting my tongue through this video because the Sierras are a little bit outside cheap range
@@WeeWeeJumbo Honestly you get what you payed for when it comes to a consumer direct company. They don't exist because of ads or marketing. They sell direct and the money goes into research and better speakers. Also speakers will last you decades so go budget but don't be a cheap ass.
What would you say about me buying these 170s plus a matching center channel for $300 total? Then adding a svs sub for a 3.1 set-up? Should I just get a svs prime tower surround setup instead?
Nice job getting a great pair of affordable speakers out there. Not ground breaking tech, but they look good. (KEF LS50's are still pretty darn nice tho....)
LS50s aren't cheap to feed or sub, so I respect your opinion Randy.
However if you're looking for a flagship quality speaker they are a bargain!
Call them snowflake speakers if you must, but once you have amps that will drive them and a pair of REL subs...
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Tell my with what should i drive them to let them sound a bit decent.
Because i never heard them right ever. On any system (10000 plus.)
@@brugj03
Musical Fidelity.
REL subs.
Recommended by a British Audiophile...
@@carlitomelon4610 You just saying
or you knowing.
The British Audiophile is no reference for me.
@@brugj03
I know.
Running mine with older XP200 class AB bridged monoblocs.
(I'm a Brit too;-)
@@carlitomelon4610 Ah 🙂 thx.
Is this another product that's not available in Europe ? [I've emailed them asking about shipping costs to the EU]
Loving the videos, Randy! Guys, I need some advice. With a budget of £200-£300 what are the best options for my set up?
I'll be playing music from Spotify (phone/laptop) in a smallish room. Speakers will be close to the wall. The amp I've decided upon is the Fosi audio bl20c at £90.
Speakers: Ive short-listed the following:
Wharfedale 9.1 £99.99
Q Acoustics diamond 3020 £129.99
Wharfedale diamond 220 £129.99
JBL sound stage a130 £179.99
Elac debut b5.2 £209.99
Emotiva Airmotiv b1+ £225.
Is the amp I've chosen capable of driving the speakers? What speaker should I get/avoid?
I love bass but don't want it drowning the treble and midrange. Will likely be listening at lowish volumes as well. Mostly listen to hip hop, reggae, house and funk music.
Thanks in advance!
Another great review! I've owned the CBM 170SE for quite a while now but looking to replace them with the Polk Audio Reserve R200 currently on sale at Best Buy for $578 a pair (black only). Not sure if the walnut finish is worth an extra $70. I would pair it for now with Klipsch Synergy 12 subwoofer.
Q - Do you believe going from CBM 170SE to Polk R200 would be a substantial upgrade or a bit of a lateral move? I listen to all types of music but primary female vocals, alt\indie rock, r&b, fusion jazz, new age.
update: I took the plunge and purchased the Polk Reserves R200 for $578 (tax incl). I was pleasantly surprised not only was Best Buy price matched but they even allowed me to get the Walnut finish instead. FedEx 2-day delivery will have it arrived by the weekend. It's obvious this cheap audio man is thrilled to get a great pair of speakers for a reasonably low price. 😊
@@garyb7193 R200 better?
@@cgm246 So much better. It's not even close. Lol
@@garyb7193 Still feeling the same way?
@@colinchang1543 Definitely! It was even a better deal this year being $10 less than I paid in some places.
I was very tempted in buying the matching center channel but decided to hold off.
Sir, sir which book shelf speakers will be good and provide detailed depth sound. Kindly suggest me sir. Thank you.
I've noticed that some speaker companies that concentrate primarily on home theater take the added subwoofer bass to assist the other speakers for granted and design the surrounds etc with that in mind. I think that sometimes they just take one of their surround speakers and call it a book shelf speaker but with some more design feature that actually counted on it being a stand alone book shelf you might get a different more full range result. The speaker is ported but some surrounds are not ported so they can be put against the wall and the bass suffers. Just another audio musing.
You have it backwards. The bookshelf speakers became surrounds.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt No I didnt I know exactly what I meant. There are lots of surrounds that are not suitable to be bookshelves. When some get close they just call it a bookshelf but the bass doesn't exert much below 100 hz.
@@fletchermunson6225 Unless they're micro speakers, bookshelf speakers play lower than 100Hz. Only the dipoles because of cancellation, drop off sharply below about 120Hz and THX speakers with their 12dB/octave acoustic rolloff at 80 Hz. I'm not aware of manufactured surround speakers that were then sold as bookshelf speakers by said manufacturer. It's always the other way around and I've been in this game for 40 plus years.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt I'm not interested in communicating with you on any subject. If you want to argue with people, find someone else.
Another reason one may not have heard of Ascend speakers is because most super popular audio reviewers won't consider touching anything not officially considered "audiophile" or in some cases they won't touch anything that cost less than $9000 or something because they think nobody is interested. There are folks who spend all their time watching about stuff they can never afford for some reason. Personally, why anyone would want to torture themselves into a depression and end up unsatisfied with everything they have because someone says to is beyond every psychology class and field experience I ever had under my belt.
Randy, you are doing what I should have done long ago, so kudos to you! I was doing what you do in written media from 2013 thru 2017, strictly volunteer and independent. I should have done it via TH-cam at some point back then, but I have cameraphobia (I just found out that is the clinical name) and could not figure out how the hell to get on TH-cam with that in the way.
I recently figured out the way in what I want to do, but only partly and I am not comfortable being too much in public so to speak. I'm not into social media at all and I'm not looking to be well known or whatever. (I refuse to get a facebook or whatever they call themselves now, twitter or anything like that).
Just as the whole reason I was an audio journalist in written media, I just want to help the common folk domestic and international. So I thought it best to be left up to the pros and such when it comes to being on TH-cam.
Don’t show your face. Start a channel, my friend. Just record the product and talk. The more folks talk about affordable audio the better for the community and hobby.
Which would you choose Fluance Ai61/Ai61 or Sony SSCS5's with a Fosi Audio BT30D? I listen to rock/metal music mostly. Thanks
I've seen other demo videos with these speakers producing a lot of bass. With stuff link pink floyd, dire straits, etc... Their site says states that they can be placed basically anywhere. Maybe moving them closer to a wall would bring out that bass you were missing. With the import SEAS tweeters, and aerogel woofers, these are a crazy value. I enjoy good bass, and ideally would like to hear down to 40-45hz or so in-room with what i listen to. Your review stating these have no bass is what's holding me back from buying them. For me, It's basically between these, the Polk ES20, or the Emotiva B1+. Leaning toward the polks due to their power port producing some nice punchy deep bass.
With that said, I don't see how their Sierra-1's with 5.25" woofer are rated down to 39hz, while these with a 6.5" long throw woofer are only rated down to 53hz.
I own them. You'll want a subwoofer. But you'll be able to afford one. These are excellent speakers at an incredible price
@@pcfriedrich already have a few subs in various rooms. A basic Sony 10" and a Jamo low profile which isn't that great. Could use it as an excuse to buy something cheap but musical.
@sumdood2035 the SVS PB1000 is SVS's entry level subwoofer and will absolutely blow you away. You'll know why it costs $500.
How do the Sony SS-CS5’s stack up to these? I know there is a much different price point, but just curious.. thanks for the videos too absolutely love them!!!
Sibilant - that's the word I think (instead of "hissy") 😄
Ha. Actually these weren’t sibilant at all. Vocals were really flawless. But hissy probably wasn’t a great description
Begs the question, where does KEF, Wharefdale, Klipsch and the other mid-level speaker manufacturers put the rest of the money they demand. Open pocket insert cash. I've listened to these and they compare nicely to the Q Acoustic 3031i.
Do you read comments from these old videos? Im curious about ascend htm 200se, if you know anything about them. I'm looking for some non ported surround speakers to go with my svs pinnacles, but cheaper than what svs has.
HTM 200 are good/great. They could do LCR duty too and I don't think you would be disappointed.
Great reviews! I may be an Ascend fanboy :-). I have several Ascend Acoustics speakers, including the RAAL Tower, Sierra-2/EX, CBM-200SE, and the (reviewed here) CBM-170SE. All provide extreme value at their price point.
Hey Randy, I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and I just purchased the emotiva b1+ and have them paired with a single sb1000. I know these have ribbon tweeters and the ascends have silk domes, would you compare the two in terms of quality? I love the emotivas but I can’t help but think for not a lot more I could potentially have something “better”.
Cool, where do I get the mug from?
that woofer looks like the venerable Audax Aerogel
It's a modern copy of the audax. Which is a ~40 year old design IIRC. Not a bad driver.
Respected sir, please kindly suggest me that, which studio monitor speakers will best for connecting to marantz preprocessor and amplifier.
Thank you Louie!
Also, how do these compare to the B1+ airmotiv’s?
emos are more u shaped and have a lot more bass.
I prefer the Akula class coffee mug 😜
I'l be keeping my ls50 meta's ...
Im sure they're great. Really just a controversial title to get people to watch. I'd actually like to hear them again
@@cheapaudioman the Meta's are actually very impressive and a good improvement over the older ls50's.
I have tried other speakers to see if i can better them but i keep coming back to the Meta's.
For there size the bass is really impressive and they do a great job of not being too bright and sound really smooth, i can leave them on for hours and have 0 listening fatigue.
@@hclandscapes the metas are on my short list to try. There is a magnolia somewhat close that I can demo but I'm afraid or I'll buy them. I'm curious if they have any warnth or sweetness to their tone.
From the many reviews I know they are scalpels for precision, soundstage well with the concentric design and are neutral in freq. It's good to hear you talk about the non fatiguing aspects because I've been stuck on a used pair of sonus faber that I picked up and it's been impossible to listen to any of my other pairs since. They are so silky smooth and I listen to some thrashy trashy recordings and they just don't let me down with anything. I love them ok? I still wonder about the metas though
@@cheapaudioman
I bought used KEF Q15 bookshelf speakers. They are 61/2 inch coaxial. They are amazing. You can get them in the range of $100 - $200.
Same. I've got the og ls50s and they're still the best bookshelf I've ever head.
call me shallow but the design (or lack thereof) of these speakers really puts me off ever buying them. i feel like there are way too many great options out there for me to settle on something tht isnt aesthetically pleasing and enjoyable to look at.
Great video as always. I’m just getting into this stuff and your channel has been very helpful. I’m about to pull the trigger on a RT 85 and schitt mani (or maybe the iFi Zen).
Question: interesting sponsor for this video. Lol. Curious…how did you come across the SSBN mug? Are you a bubble head ? Just curious as I am active duty and been stationed on SSBNs for over 20 years.
Spring for the Zen if you can still afford it. I also recommend the RT-85N [Nagaoka MP-110] because it costs a lot less to replace the stylus vs. the 2M Blue.
Hey Randy, Would these speakers be good for listening at low volume ? I'm really in a bind here.
Depends on what you’re looking for. They’ll probably sound a bit thin at low volumes unless you have a sub. They sound a bit thin at higher volumes too. Emotiva b1+ is good at low volumes too
Hey Randy, do you happen to have a list somewhere of the songs you use for testing your equipment?
In the description I have a link to my test track playlist on Amazon music. I’ll do the same for tidal and add that as well
good timing, almost bought the ls50 meta or the lsx lol
There are alot of speakers at that price point. Monitor Audio recently droped the price of their Silver 100s to $800. The new model is six hundred more so there's one option. It excels at home theater and is pretty good with most music leaning more towards Rock. I have Focal but there are alot of options. For a bit more than the Kefs, there's Buchardt, Tyler Acoustics, plus more. The 170se may compete with somewhat more expensive speakers but not at the level of the Kef LS50. Simply outclassed by many orders.
@@nc3419 so the monitor audio one that has a price drop is better then? or did i read that wrong
@@EazyRed Two different speakers alltogether. The MA Silver100s would serve better in a medium size to large room, sound much fuller and I would have kept them except I liked the upper mids and highs on the Focal 807Ws better. I liked the fullness of the lows to low mids on the Silvers. The Focals are also more expensive. Both sounded great in my system, a Keces e40 amp and a D70S dac.
Kefs, well what they do they do exceptionally well, imaging for one, but I'd take the Silver 100s. Unless you really need a floorstander. The 100s are a fun yet resolving and detailed speaker. Forward like my Focals.
I mean, you could go directly to Audio Advisor or Amazon. They still have them I beleive. The black ash looked exceptional. That's what I'm trying to say.
You could read my review on Amazon, I gave them 5 stars. For what it's worth. I also would much prefer the Silver 100s over Quad S2 if that helps.
@@EazyRed Also, easy to drive, don't need alot of power to get them to sing, essentailly 50 to 60% less than alot of competitors. I guess one could argue that SVS is a competitor too. But the MAs are a nice speaker, especially for the price. If you do 50/50 movies/music, give or take, they would do fine. I think the 7th generation was stated to sound like they were designed more for home theater so the 6th Ed s/b more a balance IMO. Good luck.
@@EazyRed Just to answer the question directly, I do not think the Silver 100s vs Kef LS50 should be considered better than the other, they are different. With certain gear one could outperform the other in certain categories or listening preferences.
Someone might say the LS50s are better to them for their preferences while someone might prefer the other. Perhaps the LS50s might have a better tonality? Then the 100s might have better dynamics, etc....you need to listen. But the Silvers will play nice with more equipment I think.
I have a quick question. When you quore a speaker's price is it for the pair or for one speaker? Thank you for the video.
for the pair in regards to these
Interesting but…think I’ll stick with my great looking and even better sounding LS50s.
Congrats, the KEF LS50 is a very good speaker. At its price point (~$1600) the Ascend Sierra 2 EX is a direct competitor. In a recent home trial I compared the two directly, with the Ascend the winner with tighter and more extended bass, and just a bit more clarity. The KEF edged out the Ascend slightly in sound stage.
LS-50 > S2EX everyday.
@@DBravo29er both speakers are excellent. Based on direct comparison of the two during a 2-week extendid listening test, my take is this: 1) Soundstage extension beyond speakers - the KEF LS50 Meta slightly edges out the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2 EX with a wider stage 2) Bass - the Ascend edges out the KEF. Deeper and less boomy. 3) Midrange - Both male and female vocals on the Ascend are natural. KEF’s are good, with slight blooming on female vocals. 4) Treble - both are excellent. 5). Dynamics - Both are excellent. 6). Imaging - slight advantage to Ascends for consistent instrument placement left to right and front/back.
What is your listening experience?
@@sbromley6739 My impressions are literally the inverse of yours. With the KEFs generating a wider, taller, and deeper soundstage, with more clearly stratified point sources within that soundstage. I found the KEF's bass to be more dependent upon position than the 2EX. KEF sounded much better above 1.5khz as volume rose, whereas the 2EX quickly developed a hardness for leading edge transients that carried over near all of the notes as volume was pushed further. This came with a tonal shift in the 2EX where the deeper bass gave way and the tweeter seemed to outrun the midwoofer. No apparent clipping was occurring from the speaker verified none from the amps. I found the treble above 12khz to be tilted up on the 2EX. This isn't bad and was actually very pleasant on some songs. But I didn't find it consistently pleasing or particularly natural. I actually find the 2EX to be significantly more aesthetically pleasing than the Metas, but that wasn't enough for me to order a pair for myself. I can "fix" the LS-50 Meta's weak point (bass below 60hz) with subs. I am not aware of a fix for narrower, shallower soundstage, and that hardness that became increasingly evident as volume rose past 80dB at the listening position. I can definitely see the allure of the 2EX, but I still have verified hearing up to 19.5khz per my last audiogram and I don't need ANYTHING above 10khz to be that strong. However, that's not what others may like and this is totally fine. The 2EX appeared to be a well made speaker but wasn't as dense as the Metas.
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Nice review man.
Interesting! Thank you for the review. This speaker seems to hit many of the right boxes for me. Maybe with 2 good subs. Or see some somewhat larger models that Ascend Acoustics offers online, perhaps to use without subs. Thanks again!
I've been rocking the CMT-340s for LCR, HTM-200s and a HSU 15" sub for home theater for a long time. Still sounds great. Still have not found a reason to upgrade.